David Cameron

[lord bunberry]

How will history remember him. He gambled on allowing a Scottish referendum and appeared to win, he won an overall majority against all the odds in the general election and he almost pulled off the hat trick last night. He will imo be looked upon as being the pivotal figure in the break up of the U.K. and possibly the EU.

[(((Fergus)))]

A weak leader whose first act following this potentially momentous vote was all about himself, throwing further uncertainty into the mix.

[Geo_1875]

He'll be remembered just like Blair. A self-serving ****.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

He'll be remembered just like Blair. A self-serving ****.

Agree with your assessment of Blair however I think Cameron will be remembered slightly more positively, although a lot depends on how the next 10 years turn out. Still, no dodgy dossiers will work in his favour.

I think he did reasonably well at first and helped turn around a pretty broken economy (not saying I agree with everything he did, but things have improved). The EU vote wasn't all his fault really - it's changed so much without any public consultation that folk were just fed up of it. He tried to change it but couldn't really get much concession. It's also quite likely that Cameron will be remembered as better than the guy who came after

[WeeRussell]

Agree with your assessment of Blair however I think Cameron will be remembered slightly more positively, although a lot depends on how the next 10 years turn out. Still, no dodgy dossiers will work in his favour.

I think he did reasonably well at first and helped turn around a pretty broken economy (not saying I agree with everything he did, but things have improved). The EU vote wasn't all his fault really - it's changed so much without any public consultation that folk were just fed up of it. He tried to change it but couldn't really get much concession. It's also quite likely that Cameron will be remembered as better than the guy who came after

Personally, and without meaning to cause offence to anyone on here, I'll remember him as a Tory ****.

[Pretty Boy]

Personally, and without meaning to cause offence to anyone on here, I'll remember him as a Tory ****.

:agree:

And I daresay I'll say the same about his successor as well.

In fairness to Cameron he had a few redeeming features such as his stance on gay marriage but his austerity measures trod the same well worn Tory path.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Personally, and without meaning to cause offence to anyone on here, I'll remember him as a Tory ****.

Haha, none taken, your post made me laugh and I don't have grounds to dispute it. I suppose my point was that we've had worse.

[High-On-Hibs]

I'll remember him as a spoon.

[WeeRussell]

Haha, none taken, your post made me laugh and I don't have grounds to dispute it. I suppose my point was that we've had worse.

I hadn't actually intended to reply directly to you mate, apologies. Wasn't aimed at you at you at all haha, just meant to share my general feelings.

You may be correct in that we've had worse... I think we're about to get worse still. My opinion on him won't change as a result however :aok:

[easty]

I'll remember him as that posh guy who dipped his wang in a dead pigs heid.

[Mr White]

I'll remember him as that posh guy who dipped his wang in a dead pigs heid.

There's every chance that will be an accurate description of his successor too.

[Future17]

He'll be remembered just like Blair. A self-serving ****.

Not even in the same realm of hatred as Blair for me.

[SHODAN]

He will be forever remembered as the man who destroyed the UK.

He won't be missed. A sad useless **** of a politician.

[The Modfather]

A West Ham Villa fan through and through :greengrin

[Colr]

I felt he was a stuffed shirt.

Still think he was ill suited to leadership but I can't think of many on scene just now that are.

[HappyAsHellas]

An accident that found himself in charge of the Tory party and somehow won an election due to largely the same voters who just kicked him out. Borrowed Labour policies due to having none of his own and partially had the economy turned round with the PPI bankers cock up. An utter twat of a man who will rightly be remembered as a self serving eejit who forgot his kids and had an unfortunate incident involving his genitalia and a pigs head. Ooohh I'm so sorry to see you go David...............

[snooky]

He will be forever remembered as the man who destroyed the UK.

He won't be missed. A sad useless **** of a politician.

Don't have much time for Dave the Drip but .......
Not trying to scare anybody but have you seen who's waiting in the wings?
Aaaaaaaaaaah!

[KNBE]

As someone who gambled his country's future over a feud in his own party and lost - with who knows what consequences for all of us.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

As someone who gambled his country's future over a feud in his own party and lost - with who knows what consequences for all of us.

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Spot on. Just as Blair will always be remembered for the Iraq war, Cameron will always be the PM who called a referendum and lost, then had to take the UK out of Europe. There's a high chance that it will break up the UK too, which is the last thing he wants. On the biggest issue of his career he failed.

[snooky]

Spot on. Just as Blair will always be remembered for the Iraq war, Cameron will always be the PM who called a referendum and lost, then had to take the UK out of Europe. There's a high chance that it will break up the UK too, which is the last thing he wants. On the biggest issue of his career he failed.

They have destroyed the last morcel of decency that was left in politics. Hell mend them.

[lord bunberry]

As someone who gambled his country's future over a feud in his own party and lost - with who knows what consequences for all of us.

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When I started this thread, that is exactly what I was thinking. He gambled twice and won, this was a gamble too far.

[RyeSloan]

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How can that be the case when 17m people voted for leave? That's more than just a Tory feud.

There was significant questions as to the benefit of our EU membership, big questions on how the 'two speed' Europe was performing, even more questions on just how much further European integration of political power needed to go to prop up the failing Euro experiment...all of which had happened without the UK public being directly asked if they wanted to be a part of it since a rather narrower question had been asked back in the 70's.

Sure it was the Tories that reflected these feelings in the most obvious of ways but to try and suggest that it's Cameron's fault because of a few troublesome MP's simply doesn't compare to the size of the vote that Leave attracted nor the rise of the likes of UKIP. People had genuine concerns on the whole European project and were rightly asked to either give a mandate for future involvement or not.

[KNBE]

How can that be the case when 17m people voted for leave? That's more than just a Tory feud.

There was significant questions as to the benefit of our EU membership, big questions on how the 'two speed' Europe was performing, even more questions on just how much further European integration of political power needed to go to prop up the failing Euro experiment...all of which had happened without the UK public being directly asked if they wanted to be a part of it since a rather narrower question had been asked back in the 70's.

Sure it was the Tories that reflected these feelings in the most obvious of ways but to try and suggest that it's Cameron's fault because of a few troublesome MP's simply doesn't compare to the size of the vote that Leave attracted nor the rise of the likes of UKIP. People had genuine concerns on the whole European project and were rightly asked to either give a mandate for future involvement or not.
The Tory obsession with Europe was the starting point for all of this. Cameron decided to risk our future in order for party management reasons alone. The question asked was how Cameron will be remembered not how the Brexit voters will be.

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[RyeSloan]

The Tory obsession with Europe was the starting point for all of this. Cameron decided to risk our future in order for party management reasons alone. The question asked was how Cameron will be remembered not how the Brexit voters will be. Sent from my GT-S6810P using Tapatalk

Yet it seems 17m people shared that obsession...or certainly a dislike of what it had became.

Maybe Cameron should be remembered for being brave enough to ask the people the question without being certain he would get the answer he wanted?

[easty]

Maybe Cameron should be remembered for being brave enough to ask the people the question without being certain he would get the answer he wanted?

I think he'll probably not be remembered like that..

[snooky]

When I started this thread, that is exactly what I was thinking. He gambled twice and won, this was a gamble too far.

A game of Russian Roulette ironically.

[Leith Green]

Cameron wanted to get rid of Farage/UKIP , thats why he took brexit on.. UKIP support from the right had been steadily growing and i think he wanted to end the risk to the votes from the right. He ended UKIP , just probably not as he had expected..

[Pretty Boy]

Cameron wanted to get rid of Farage/UKIP , thats why he took brexit on.. UKIP support from the right had been steadily growing and i think he wanted to end the risk to the votes from the right. He ended UKIP , just probably not as he had expected..

Sadly UKIP draw plenty support from former Labour voters as well. I remember being quite shocked when I first really looked into the demographics of UKIP voters. Much like Labour supporters who backed Brexit it appears the fundementals of internationalism only apply when it suits.

I generally agree with your point though that Camerons aim was to silence both UKIP and the Eurosceptics within his own party for the forseeable.

[Hibrandenburg]

Sadly UKIP draw plenty support from former Labour voters as well. I remember being quite shocked when I first really looked into the demographics of UKIP voters. Much like Labour supporters who backed Brexit it appears the fundementals of internationalism only apply when it suits.

I generally agree with your point though that Camerons aim was to silence both UKIP and the Eurosceptics within his own party for the forseeable.

I suspect Boris was in on it too, it's just gone horribly wrong for them both.

[hibsbollah]

His finest hour was apologising for bloody sunday. An outstanding speech full of generosity and warmth.

The rest of his tenure was awful.

[johnbc70]

Did he not do a decent job of bringing the UK back from the worst recession in memory? Forget who caused it, focus on who got us out of it. No credit for that at all?

[pacoluna]

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this on fri, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

[johnbc70]

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this on fri, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

Interesting post, so it's basically a race to be known as the person who starts the break up of the UK.

I cannot see anything else than him being PM and invoking article 50.

[Colr]

Interesting post, so it's basically a race to be known as the person who starts the break up of the UK.

I cannot see anything else than him being PM and invoking article 50.

However, if Labour can get its finger out its collective arse and get rid of Jez, they will have the chance to win the election that will be called by the new PM. They can say the referendum was a Tory **** up (which it is) and take another course.

[Leith Green]

Interesting post, so it's basically a race to be known as the person who starts the break up of the UK.

I cannot see anything else than him being PM and invoking article 50.


I think they have already shared the honours on that.. Meanwhile Farage sits somewhere hidden in a cloud of smoke from a big fat cigar.

[Pretty Boy]

I think they have already shared the honours on that.. Meanwhile Farage sits somewhere hidden in a cloud of smoke from a big fat cigar.

Farage will be doing what is now known as 'a Boyle'.

He always seemed steaming anyway but now he most definitely will be, he's just achieved his lifetime anbition.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Did he not do a decent job of bringing the UK back from the worst recession in memory? Forget who caused it, focus on who got us out of it. No credit for that at all?

None whatsoever. He started off by claiming we're all in together, which was a complete lie. The deficit created by the banking collapse has been re-paid by those least able to afford it: the very people who didn't share in the boom years. Cameron/Osborne have undertaken an ideological strategy of shrinking the state, hiding behind the deficit to achieve it. Britain's public services have been decimated, council budgets slashed by some 40%. The weakest have been thrown to the wolves so the more affluent didn't have to feel the pain. Shameful and cowardly; totally unforgivable.

[Hibrandenburg]

Farage will be doing what is now known as 'a Boyle'.

He always seemed steaming anyway but now he most definitely will be, he's just achieved his lifetime anbition.

Farage will be sitting in the wings and considering his options. He knows that the government is damned if the invoked article 50 and he knows they're damned if they don't. He'll have a play either way but he's keeping his cards close to his chest until he knows for certain if it's do or don't.

[RyeSloan]

None whatsoever. He started off by claiming we're all in together, which was a complete lie. The deficit created by the banking collapse has been re-paid by those least able to afford it: the very people who didn't share in the boom years. Cameron/Osborne have undertaken an ideological strategy of shrinking the state, hiding behind the deficit to achieve it. Britain's public services have been decimated, council budgets slashed by some 40%. The weakest have been thrown to the wolves so the more affluent didn't have to feel the pain. Shameful and cowardly; totally unforgivable.

What deficit has been re-paid?

[Hibernia&Alba]

What deficit has been re-paid?

Good point. I should have said partially re-paid, years behind Osborne's promise.

[RyeSloan]

Good point. I should have said partially re-paid, years behind Osborne's promise.

Or not re-paid at all...in fact the national debt has continued to climb and climb.

Make of that what you will but you can't accuse someone of forcing a section of society to have re-paid debts that simply haven't been re-paid.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Or not re-paid at all...in fact the national debt has continued to climb and climb.

Make of that what you will but you can't accuse someone of forcing a section of society to have re-paid debts that simply haven't been re-paid.

The austerity of the past six years was done in that name, but, as I say, it's been an ideological choice to shrink the state with that pretext. The national debt and the deficit are very different things of course, but this has been an ideological programme of cuts, with the excuse of the banking crash to justify it. Totally dishonest and disgraceful.

[snooky]

The austerity of the past six years was done in that name, but, as I say, it's been an ideological choice to shrink the state with that pretext. The national debt and the deficit are very different things of course, but this has been an ideological programme of cuts, with the excuse of the banking crash to justify it. Totally dishonest and disgraceful.
I'm amazed how £250b suddenly became available after the Brexit vote.
Just wonderin', is this the money IDS retrieved recently from the poor & invalid?

[High-On-Hibs]

I'm amazed how £250b suddenly became available after the Brexit vote.
Just wonderin', is this the money IDS retrieved recently from the poor & invalid?

It didn't suddenly become available. It still needs to be printed and once it's injected into the economy, inflation will rise.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm amazed how £250b suddenly became available after the Brexit vote.
Just wonderin', is this the money IDS retrieved recently from the poor & invalid?


"No government has ever said it couldn't go to war because it didn't have the money. They always find the money. If we can find money to kill people, we can find money to help people". Tony Benn

[Hibbyradge]

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this on fri, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

I agree entirely (although maybe I should read it again before saying that :greengrin: ). Johnson is very bright.

However, he made a huge mistake in believing that we'd get a Remain vote and having no plan in place for a Leave win.

[RyeSloan]

It didn't suddenly become available. It still needs to be printed and once it's injected into the economy, inflation will rise.

No It's a liquidity measure...which if managed properly does not result in inflation as effectively once the immediate dash for cash is over the banks liquidity buffers rise again and the money is transferred back to the central bank in return for the assets that were used as collateral for the funds in the first place.

[pacoluna]

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this on fri, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

So he chosen option B, noticeably however he has not endorsed any other candidate. I suspect he will be waiting to see what what possible offers will be on the table from each candidate before he chooses who he is going to endorse - definition of a political careerist.

[snooky]

A weak leader whose first act following this potentially momentous vote was all about himself, throwing further uncertainty into the mix.

... and running off like a squealing pig.

Oh wait, maybe I should re-phrase that? :cool2: