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jacomo
22-05-2016, 07:55 PM
The Rangers (despite issuing two statements already telling us what happened) claim they want a full investigation into the events that followed the final whistle on Saturday.

Police Scotland say they will launch an investigation. Maybe the SFA will do too.

Good.

Any impartial investigation will show that the Rangers fans were goading and provoking us at least as much as we were them.

It will show that the pitch invasion was a spontaneous outpouring of joy and relief, and that 99.9% were jumping about and hugging each other, rather than looking for trouble.

It won't show Hibs fans trying to access The Rangers seating areas at any point.

It will show the Rangers fans running onto the pitch after the pitch invasion was well underway - who on earth does that?

It will show undeniable chaos and confusion in those five minutes or so before order was restored.

It will establish who exactly was assaulted, by whom.

It will show isolated violence - and rightly all those guilty of assault should be punished.

It will show that, once stewards and police started pouring onto the pitch at the Rangers end, Hibs fans were compliant and returned to our end.

It won't show the police horses getting close to the Hibs fans, because they weren't needed.

It will show Hibs fans all returning to the stands for the cup presentation and SoL.

It will show some damage to the turf and the broken goals - again, inexcusable but perspective and context needed.

It will, perhaps, reflect that the decision to cancel the lap of honour was over zealous and unjustified.

It will show 25,000 Hibs fans returning to Edinburgh peacefully, without causing trouble - much like in 2012, when despite being gubbed by our bitterest rivals, our behaviour was excellent.

It will be a huge contrast with 1980 - a full-on, running battle between Old Firm fans on the Hampden turf.

It will do all this, or it will be a continuation of the establishment stitch up perpetrated on Saturday. And if so, we must continue to establish the truth.

Petrie is right. Other than a few neds who couldn't control themselves, this was over-exuberance and no more. In context, a pitch invasion was entirely predictable and hardly unprecedented.

People are trying to smear the Hibs fans. We have seen this happen before. We don't have to put up with it.

cabbageandribs1875
22-05-2016, 07:59 PM
now, do the vile sectarian bigots really really REALLY want a full investigation ? they should maybe think about it a bit



oh aye and stewart regan ! yer a disgusting piece of sevco puppetry s**t



p.s. is puppetry a real word ?

Joe6-2
22-05-2016, 08:00 PM
The Rangers (despite issuing two statements already telling us what happened) claim they want a full investigation into the events that followed the final whistle on Saturday.

Police Scotland say they will launch an investigation. Maybe the SFA will do too.

Good.

Any impartial investigation will show that the Rangers fans were goading and provoking us at least as much as we were them.

It will show that the pitch invasion was a spontaneous outpouring of joy and relief, and that 99.9% were jumping about and hugging each other, rather than looking for trouble.

It won't show Hibs fans trying to access The Rangers seating areas at any point.

It will show the Rangers fans running onto the pitch after the pitch invasion was well underway - who on earth does that?

It will show undeniable chaos and confusion in those five minutes or so before order was restored.

It will establish who exactly was assaulted, by whom.

It will show isolated violence - and rightly all those guilty of assault should be punished.

It will show that, once stewards and police started pouring onto the pitch at the Rangers end, Hibs fans were compliant and returned to our end.

It won't show the police horses getting close to the Hibs fans, because they weren't needed.

It will show Hibs fans all returning to the stands for the cup presentation and SoL.

It will show some damage to the turf and the broken goals - again, inexcusable but perspective and context needed.

It will, perhaps, reflect that the decision to cancel the lap of honour was over zealous and unjustified.

It will show 25,000 Hibs fans returning to Edinburgh peacefully, without causing trouble - much like in 2012, when despite being gubbed by our bitterest rivals, our behaviour was excellent.

It will be a huge contrast with 1980 - a full-on, running battle between Old Firm fans on the Hampden turf.

It will do all this, or it will be a continuation of the establishment stitch up perpetrated on Saturday. And if so, we must continue to establish the truth.

Petrie is right. Other than a few neds who couldn't control themselves, this was over-exuberance and no more. In context, a pitch invasion was entirely predictable and hardly unprecedented.

People are trying to smear the Hibs fans. We have seen this happen before. We don't have to put up with it.

Great post, spot on.
Hope someone of authority at ER reads this, or even better, are already looking at things from this point of view!!

Gatecrasher
22-05-2016, 08:00 PM
:top marks

Sammy7nil
22-05-2016, 08:01 PM
Well said :greengrin

SaulGoodman
22-05-2016, 08:01 PM
A statement like this from Hibs would just put the icing on the cake

Sammy7nil
22-05-2016, 08:14 PM
Keep this near the top :agree:

Hi Heid Yin
22-05-2016, 08:18 PM
The Rangers (despite issuing two statements already telling us what happened) claim they want a full investigation into the events that followed the final whistle on Saturday.

Police Scotland say they will launch an investigation. Maybe the SFA will do too.

Good.

Any impartial investigation will show that the Rangers fans were goading and provoking us at least as much as we were them.

It will show that the pitch invasion was a spontaneous outpouring of joy and relief, and that 99.9% were jumping about and hugging each other, rather than looking for trouble.

It won't show Hibs fans trying to access The Rangers seating areas at any point.

It will show the Rangers fans running onto the pitch after the pitch invasion was well underway - who on earth does that?

It will show undeniable chaos and confusion in those five minutes or so before order was restored.

It will establish who exactly was assaulted, by whom.

It will show isolated violence - and rightly all those guilty of assault should be punished.

It will show that, once stewards and police started pouring onto the pitch at the Rangers end, Hibs fans were compliant and returned to our end.

It won't show the police horses getting close to the Hibs fans, because they weren't needed.

It will show Hibs fans all returning to the stands for the cup presentation and SoL.

It will show some damage to the turf and the broken goals - again, inexcusable but perspective and context needed.

It will, perhaps, reflect that the decision to cancel the lap of honour was over zealous and unjustified.

It will show 25,000 Hibs fans returning to Edinburgh peacefully, without causing trouble - much like in 2012, when despite being gubbed by our bitterest rivals, our behaviour was excellent.

It will be a huge contrast with 1980 - a full-on, running battle between Old Firm fans on the Hampden turf.

It will do all this, or it will be a continuation of the establishment stitch up perpetrated on Saturday. And if so, we must continue to establish the truth.

Petrie is right. Other than a few neds who couldn't control themselves, this was over-exuberance and no more. In context, a pitch invasion was entirely predictable and hardly unprecedented.

People are trying to smear the Hibs fans. We have seen this happen before. We don't have to put up with it.

A well thought out post and absolutely accurate!:top marks

Matty_Jack04
22-05-2016, 08:21 PM
Well said that man :top marks

Scouse Hibee
22-05-2016, 08:23 PM
Excellent OP, time to nip this in the bud before it gathers any more momentum. Once again those who were at the game know exactly what happened, the media should not be allowed to fabricate the truth and nor should some halfwit churning out statements for Rangers. #TELLTHETRUTH

BroxburnHibee
22-05-2016, 08:23 PM
Send that to Leeann

makaveli1875
22-05-2016, 08:24 PM
the truth is their defence was terrified and stokesy was on FIRE

chasitup
22-05-2016, 08:25 PM
Absolutely 100% spot on. Couldn't have put it better.

CraigHibee
22-05-2016, 08:58 PM
absolutely agree with that :aok:

Hibby Bairn
22-05-2016, 09:03 PM
now, do the vile sectarian bigots really really REALLY want a full investigation ? they should maybe think about it a bit



oh aye and stewart regan ! yer a disgusting piece of sevco puppetry s**t



p.s. is puppetry a real word ?

Regan said what he had to say. More looking upwards to UEFA types than Sevco types.

jacomo
22-05-2016, 09:06 PM
Send that to Leeann

I will, cheers.

:thumbsup:

Ilovehibs
22-05-2016, 09:10 PM
Please send to all national newspapers and Sky Sports who are doing my head in with their ill informed Rangers view of what happened.

Edson Arantes
22-05-2016, 09:18 PM
Too true!

:thumbsup:

Doncaster_Hibby
22-05-2016, 09:18 PM
Please send to all national newspapers and Sky Sports who are doing my head in with their ill informed Rangers view of what happened.

The view of the tabloid gutter press and Sky isn't ill informed, it's blatant bias. Glasgow Rangers are a club with a long history and tradition of institutionalised bigotry tied in with support for the monarchy and British patriotism. These are all things that the far right tabloid gutter press and equally far right Sky hold dear. There is never any possibly of the tabloid gutter press and Sky being even remotely impartial in any controversial matter involving Glasgow Rangers.

Onion
22-05-2016, 09:21 PM
Please send to all national newspapers and Sky Sports who are doing my head in with their ill informed Rangers view of what happened.

Deflection, deflection and more deflection by Sevco and the Magic Hat who didn't have the courage or good grace to come out for their medals or to speak to the media after the match. Nothing at all to do with them getting beat of course. :wink:

Pleasing :thumbsup:

Scooter
22-05-2016, 09:21 PM
Fantastic make sure hibs see this post

Thecat23
22-05-2016, 09:23 PM
The Rangers (despite issuing two statements already telling us what happened) claim they want a full investigation into the events that followed the final whistle on Saturday.

Police Scotland say they will launch an investigation. Maybe the SFA will do too.

Good.

Any impartial investigation will show that the Rangers fans were goading and provoking us at least as much as we were them.

It will show that the pitch invasion was a spontaneous outpouring of joy and relief, and that 99.9% were jumping about and hugging each other, rather than looking for trouble.

It won't show Hibs fans trying to access The Rangers seating areas at any point.

It will show the Rangers fans running onto the pitch after the pitch invasion was well underway - who on earth does that?

It will show undeniable chaos and confusion in those five minutes or so before order was restored.

It will establish who exactly was assaulted, by whom.

It will show isolated violence - and rightly all those guilty of assault should be punished.

It will show that, once stewards and police started pouring onto the pitch at the Rangers end, Hibs fans were compliant and returned to our end.

It won't show the police horses getting close to the Hibs fans, because they weren't needed.

It will show Hibs fans all returning to the stands for the cup presentation and SoL.

It will show some damage to the turf and the broken goals - again, inexcusable but perspective and context needed.

It will, perhaps, reflect that the decision to cancel the lap of honour was over zealous and unjustified.

It will show 25,000 Hibs fans returning to Edinburgh peacefully, without causing trouble - much like in 2012, when despite being gubbed by our bitterest rivals, our behaviour was excellent.

It will be a huge contrast with 1980 - a full-on, running battle between Old Firm fans on the Hampden turf.

It will do all this, or it will be a continuation of the establishment stitch up perpetrated on Saturday. And if so, we must continue to establish the truth.

Petrie is right. Other than a few neds who couldn't control themselves, this was over-exuberance and no more. In context, a pitch invasion was entirely predictable and hardly unprecedented.

People are trying to smear the Hibs fans. We have seen this happen before. We don't have to put up with it.

How dare you post the truth! Going against a paper like the Daily Ranger I'm sorry but your side of events must be lies surely?!

By the way, brilliant post and agree with absolutely everything you said. 👏🏼

staunchhibby
22-05-2016, 09:28 PM
Do not forget to comment on the behaviour of Rangers supporters in the hospitality above thd Hibs support in the North Stand.There gestures when Rangers scored was to say the least offensive and inflammatory.Also believe objects were thrown from that lot.Police were asked to do something about this but i dont think they bothered.SFA should know who bought those tickets and action taken.

Hibrandenburg
22-05-2016, 09:28 PM
The view of the tabloid gutter press and Sky isn't ill informed, it's blatant bias. Glasgow Rangers are a club with a long history and tradition of institutionalised bigotry tied in with support for the monarchy and British patriotism. These are all things that the far right tabloid gutter press and equally far right Sky hold dear. There is never any possibly of the tabloid gutter press and Sky being even remotely impartial in any controversial matter involving Glasgow Rangers.

It's not bias it's business. There's more of them to sell papers to than us. Sad but fact of life.

euro Hibby
22-05-2016, 09:33 PM
If you want to put this into perspective. At the Italian cup final Last night there were 71 arrests in and around the game, a couple of stabbings and a fair bit of bother.

I read to date at the Rangers Hibs final there were 11 arrests for minor offences.

Sure it could have been much worse but it was not.

Pretty Boy
22-05-2016, 09:36 PM
**** Rangers, **** the SFA, **** the media and **** the Police.

I'm off to bed now before I become the 1st admin in .net history to be banned.

Lago
22-05-2016, 09:44 PM
If you want to put this into perspective. At the Italian cup final Last night there were 71 arrests in and around the game, a couple of stabbings and a fair bit of bother.

I read to date at the Rangers Hibs final there were 11 arrests for minor offences.

Sure it could have been much worse but it was not.
Also in New York major fan problems in match between New York Red Bulls and New York City, police had to intervene.

Danderhall Hibs
22-05-2016, 09:45 PM
Great post mate.

magpie1892
22-05-2016, 09:48 PM
The view of the tabloid gutter press and Sky isn't ill informed, it's blatant bias. Glasgow Rangers are a club with a long history and tradition of institutionalised bigotry tied in with support for the monarchy and British patriotism. These are all things that the far right tabloid gutter press and equally far right Sky hold dear. There is never any possibly of the tabloid gutter press and Sky being even remotely impartial in any controversial matter involving Glasgow Rangers.

Frankly, that's a load of ****. The Daily Record 'far right'? Sky 'far right'? Grow up.

I wholly understand the need to fight back against disinformation but crap like this doesn't help.

greenlex
22-05-2016, 09:49 PM
**** Rangers, **** the SFA, **** the media and **** the Police.

I'm off to bed now before I become the 1st admin in .net history to be banned. :hilarious:hilarious:hilarious

Eyrie
22-05-2016, 09:55 PM
This thread deserves a bump so ...


**** Rangers, **** the SFA, **** the media and **** the Police.

I'm off to bed now before I become the 1st admin in .net history to be banned.

LTAP! :greengrin

CRAZYHIBBY
22-05-2016, 10:04 PM
Just saw footage on reporting scotland of the 2 rangers fans grabbing the young hibs fan...wtf was that all about.....hibs fans came to his aid

Hibernia&Alba
22-05-2016, 10:06 PM
Excellent OP. Of course any Hibs fans who were involved in any kind of violence should be caught and punished, but the lies being told by The Rangers, due to their bitterness, can't be allowed to go unchallenged. It was a joyous pitch invasion; the kind that happen all over the world, but it wasn't a riot. Rangers at the ECWC final in 1972, Rangers in the Scottish Cup final 1980 and Rangers in the UEFA Cup final 2008 were riots; yesterday was nothing like those shameful occasions, it was the celebration of the end of a 114 year wait, and any examples of idiocy by a very small number of Hibs fans yesterday can't detract from that.

Scouse Hibee
22-05-2016, 10:06 PM
As thousands of Hibs fans flooded onto the pitch to join the search for Warbutons magic hat............

jacomo
22-05-2016, 10:29 PM
Do not forget to comment on the behaviour of Rangers supporters in the hospitality above thd Hibs support in the North Stand.There gestures when Rangers scored was to say the least offensive and inflammatory.Also believe objects were thrown from that lot.Police were asked to do something about this but i dont think they bothered.SFA should know who bought those tickets and action taken.

I wasn't in that section of the ground so don't know what happened.

I'd encourage every Hibs fan to gather and record evidence... If you witnessed something untoward, please write it down now and save it. Make it specific and factual, include timings etc.

It could all help!

jacomo
24-05-2016, 09:56 AM
I do think it would be helpful to collate all footage and evidence from Saturday. The Rangers are out to get us, and seem to have the SFA and certain media in their pocket.

ADMINS - is it a good idea to merge similar threads together on this, or start a new one?

I am adding the Wings over Scotland account of the time line at Hampden, for future reference:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-slight-stramash/

Here's an opinion piece from Stuart Campbell - highly critical of Hibs fans in places, but with context:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/statements-of-the-obvious/

Here's an interesting account from a steward on Saturday too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36361043

Not In The Know
24-05-2016, 10:34 AM
Did Keith Wright not get hit on the head during his commentary for Hibs TV by a missile or a hand I'm not sure?

I know for sure the Hibs TV Commentators were verbally abused. Lets say provoked and didn't storm the stand above them to protect our players!

Waxy
24-05-2016, 10:40 AM
Also in New York major fan problems in match between New York Red Bulls and New York City, police had to intervene.

Did anyone see the score in this? On our greatest day too.

erin go bragh
24-05-2016, 10:43 AM
Great post mate . Spot on 👍
With the way they are trying to tarnish our name it just makes the fact we broke our SC hoodoo by beating them all the sweeter . Horrible , horrible club and the establishment backing them is every bit as bad .

GGTTH 2016 SC WINNERS

greenginger
24-05-2016, 10:50 AM
[QUOTE=jacomo;4703498]I do think it would be helpful to collate all footage and evidence from Saturday. The Rangers are out to get us, and seem to have the SFA and certain media in their pocket.

ADMINS - is it a good idea to merge similar threads together on this, or start a new one?

I am adding the Wings over Scotland account of the time line at Hampden, for future reference:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-slight-stramash/

Here's an opinion piece from Stuart Campbell - highly critical of Hibs fans in places, but with context:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/statements-of-the-obvious/

Here's an interesting account from a steward on Saturday too:


There was also reports of Hibs supporters in the South Stand being targeted by Rangers fans in the upper tiers. Coins and cans being thrown and one guy getting cut on his forehead. Some Huns were chucked out.

Need to get something in writing on it.

The Harp Awakes
24-05-2016, 10:50 AM
:violin:

They're winding themselves up into a frenzy. Our day in paradise just keeps on getting better and better. Keep them coming Zombies. Comedy gold and great entertainment.

Scouse Hibee
24-05-2016, 10:55 AM
Hibernian delivered a knock out blow to The Rangers and their hoards of bitter and twisted fans on Saturday.So severe was the final blow delivered by David Gray that thousands still dazed by the sucker punch are still wandering around with no accurate recollection of what actually happened.For the record, preceding the pitch invasion by thousands of jubilant Hibees, The Rangers were well and truly pumped by Alan Stubbs and his green and white army.

greenginger
24-05-2016, 11:01 AM
Excellent OP. Of course any Hibs fans who were involved in any kind of violence should be caught and punished, but the lies being told by The Rangers, due to their bitterness, can't be allowed to go unchallenged. It was a joyous pitch invasion; the kind that happen all over the world, but it wasn't a riot. Rangers at the ECWC final in 1972, Rangers in the Scottish Cup final 1980 and Rangers in the UEFA Cup final 2008 were riots; yesterday was nothing like those shameful occasions, it was the celebration of the end of a 114 year wait, and any examples of idiocy by a very small number of Hibs fans yesterday can't detract from that.


Supporters of the winning team coming on to the pitch at full time is not uncommon, and not only football. Scotland grand slam at rugby, for one.

Losing teams supporters coming on to the pitch to battle with the winners is less common.

In fact, I think only Rangers have a previous in this.

southern hibby
24-05-2016, 11:06 AM
The Rangers (despite issuing two statements already telling us what happened) claim they want a full investigation into the events that followed the final whistle on Saturday.

Police Scotland say they will launch an investigation. Maybe the SFA will do too.

Good.

Any impartial investigation will show that the Rangers fans were goading and provoking us at least as much as we were them.

It will show that the pitch invasion was a spontaneous outpouring of joy and relief, and that 99.9% were jumping about and hugging each other, rather than looking for trouble.

It won't show Hibs fans trying to access The Rangers seating areas at any point.

It will show the Rangers fans running onto the pitch after the pitch invasion was well underway - who on earth does that?

It will show undeniable chaos and confusion in those five minutes or so before order was restored.

It will establish who exactly was assaulted, by whom.

It will show isolated violence - and rightly all those guilty of assault should be punished.

It will show that, once stewards and police started pouring onto the pitch at the Rangers end, Hibs fans were compliant and returned to our end.

It won't show the police horses getting close to the Hibs fans, because they weren't needed.

It will show Hibs fans all returning to the stands for the cup presentation and SoL.

It will show some damage to the turf and the broken goals - again, inexcusable but perspective and context needed.

It will, perhaps, reflect that the decision to cancel the lap of honour was over zealous and unjustified.

It will show 25,000 Hibs fans returning to Edinburgh peacefully, without causing trouble - much like in 2012, when despite being gubbed by our bitterest rivals, our behaviour was excellent.

It will be a huge contrast with 1980 - a full-on, running battle between Old Firm fans on the Hampden turf.

It will do all this, or it will be a continuation of the establishment stitch up perpetrated on Saturday. And if so, we must continue to establish the truth.

Petrie is right. Other than a few neds who couldn't control themselves, this was over-exuberance and no more. In context, a pitch invasion was entirely predictable and hardly unprecedented.

People are trying to smear the Hibs fans. We have seen this happen before. We don't have to put up with it.

Nailed it.

GGTTH

greenginger
24-05-2016, 11:08 AM
Add JJ's latest piece to the list

https://johnjamessite.com/

Covers it pretty well.

hibs69
24-05-2016, 11:10 AM
They'll show their true colours next time we play them at Easter Road........., the away end will get effin wrecked. There is nothing surer.

cabbageandribs1875
24-05-2016, 11:21 AM
They'll show their true colours next time we play them at Easter Road........., the away end will get effin wrecked. There is nothing surer.



that's ok, they're too brain dead to realise the money for replacing everything damaged will be paid(eventually) by their own club...tiz all good...nice new shiny seats :agree:

ano hibby
24-05-2016, 11:27 AM
Add JJ's latest piece to the list

https://johnjamessite.com/

Covers it pretty well.

Yep, some good points made in here

tamig
24-05-2016, 11:39 AM
I do think it would be helpful to collate all footage and evidence from Saturday. The Rangers are out to get us, and seem to have the SFA and certain media in their pocket.

ADMINS - is it a good idea to merge similar threads together on this, or start a new one?

I am adding the Wings over Scotland account of the time line at Hampden, for future reference:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-slight-stramash/

Here's an opinion piece from Stuart Campbell - highly critical of Hibs fans in places, but with context:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/statements-of-the-obvious/

Here's an interesting account from a steward on Saturday too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36361043

I saw the Wings timeline last night. Shoots a lot of Traynor's tales right down.

Killiehibbie
24-05-2016, 11:57 AM
They'll show their true colours next time we play them at Easter Road........., the away end will get effin wrecked. There is nothing surer.Even more interesting when we go to Ibrox:greengrin

jacomo
24-05-2016, 12:33 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36351664


Exuberance, and a potent mix of longing and relief at the end of a tortuous 114-year wait to lift the Scottish Cup again, might have carried Hibernian supporters out of their seats and onto the pitch.

Restraint was critically cast aside, however, particularly by those who ran towards the Rangers end to goad the opposition support and players. Small pockets of Rangers fans inevitably spilled onto the pitch as a result, with bouts of fighting taking place, while members of the team were caught up in the melee.

The truth is, despite their protestations of victimhood, The Rangers fans get massive leeway for disgraceful behaviour.

Here, the BBC just accepts thuggery from them as inevitable, barely worth criticising.

Why is inevitable that their fans should spill onto the pitch? I don't care if they were being 'goaded'... we heard plenty of goading from them (ie sectarian songs and verbal threats) throughout the match. There is one reason and one reason only that they left their stand - to have a fight.

Johnny Clash
24-05-2016, 12:33 PM
Pitch invasion by Hull fans on 17th May saw Derby fans applaud the Hull fans from their section of the ground then vice versa. However, Derby fans had a heavy ring of Stewards and cops on the pitch in front of them to ensure there was no attempts made to spoil the celebrations. The security at Hull obviously anticipated a pitch invasion and acted to ensure no retaliation from Derby fans.

Hope this link works:
https://youtu.be/CpeXj_A8YKY

I'm sure there was a recent pitch invasion involving Aston villa fans v West Brom last year. Claims that players were punched and also that West Brom players deliberately tripped up fans. Villa were fined £200k but it was a home game so they were responsible for security. Hampden isn't a home game (although it's starting to feel that way!!) so I don't see how Hibs can be held responsible for inappropriate security measures that failed to anticipate a guaranteed pitch invasion.

Johnny Clash
24-05-2016, 12:48 PM
Pitch invasion by Hull fans on 17th May saw Derby fans applaud the Hull fans from their section of the ground then vice versa. However, Derby fans had a heavy ring of Stewards and cops on the pitch in front of them to ensure there was no attempts made to spoil the celebrations. The security at Hull obviously anticipated a pitch invasion and acted to ensure no retaliation from Derby fans.

Hope this link works:
https://youtu.be/CpeXj_A8YKY

I'm sure there was a recent pitch invasion involving Aston villa fans v West Brom last year. Claims that players were punched and also that West Brom players deliberately tripped up fans. Villa were fined £200k but it was a home game so they were responsible for security. Hampden isn't a home game (although it's starting to feel that way!!) so I don't see how Hibs can be held responsible for inappropriate security measures that failed to anticipate a guaranteed pitch invasion.

nickwhibs
24-05-2016, 12:53 PM
The Rangers (despite issuing two statements already telling us what happened) claim they want a full investigation into the events that followed the final whistle on Saturday.

Police Scotland say they will launch an investigation. Maybe the SFA will do too.

Good.

Any impartial investigation will show that the Rangers fans were goading and provoking us at least as much as we were them.

It will show that the pitch invasion was a spontaneous outpouring of joy and relief, and that 99.9% were jumping about and hugging each other, rather than looking for trouble.

It won't show Hibs fans trying to access The Rangers seating areas at any point.

It will show the Rangers fans running onto the pitch after the pitch invasion was well underway - who on earth does that?

It will show undeniable chaos and confusion in those five minutes or so before order was restored.

It will establish who exactly was assaulted, by whom.

It will show isolated violence - and rightly all those guilty of assault should be punished.

It will show that, once stewards and police started pouring onto the pitch at the Rangers end, Hibs fans were compliant and returned to our end.

It won't show the police horses getting close to the Hibs fans, because they weren't needed.

It will show Hibs fans all returning to the stands for the cup presentation and SoL.

It will show some damage to the turf and the broken goals - again, inexcusable but perspective and context needed.

It will, perhaps, reflect that the decision to cancel the lap of honour was over zealous and unjustified.

It will show 25,000 Hibs fans returning to Edinburgh peacefully, without causing trouble - much like in 2012, when despite being gubbed by our bitterest rivals, our behaviour was excellent.

It will be a huge contrast with 1980 - a full-on, running battle between Old Firm fans on the Hampden turf.

It will do all this, or it will be a continuation of the establishment stitch up perpetrated on Saturday. And if so, we must continue to establish the truth.

Petrie is right. Other than a few neds who couldn't control themselves, this was over-exuberance and no more. In context, a pitch invasion was entirely predictable and hardly unprecedented.

People are trying to smear the Hibs fans. We have seen this happen before. We don't have to put up with it.

Superb post mate!

Gogs07
24-05-2016, 01:04 PM
If der Hun had abided by the usual rules for pitch invasions, winners on the pitch and losers get out the stadium and get the bus home, then there would have been no problem.

Der Hun are totally responsible for breaking this simple rule and should pick up the tab for any fines dished out. Also, banned from this year's promotion and put back to division 3(again) and also banned forever from the S/Cup.

That should bring the matter to a close and shut deek'fatboy' Johnstone up! :greengrin

southsider
24-05-2016, 01:13 PM
Was not a Hibs fan who uprouted a corner flag to use as a weapon to attack Hibs fans. Coward. This could have caused a fatal injury but no blame to Sevco.

Jim44
24-05-2016, 01:20 PM
What baffles me is the incessant Sevco ranting and raving about the anti-Sevco treatment by the BBC, MSM , sundry football pundits, the SFA ( or whatever it calls itself ) and Nicola Sturgeon. Maybe I'm missing something, but these are the very people who are essentially backing the Sevco take on things.

jacomo
24-05-2016, 01:26 PM
The inquiry will investigate the stewarding and policing of the game, but surely it will also look at the behaviour of the fans.

Maybe we can help out by putting a list of relevant questions together?

1. What was the behaviour of both sets of supporters before the match? Were there any incidents in and around Hampden?

2. What was the behaviour of fans during the match? Were there any incidents of sectarian chanting / singing, threatening behaviour, missile throwing, lighting flares etc. If so by whom?

3. After the final whistle, why did the Hibs fans enter the pitch?

4. Why did The Rangers fans enter the pitch?

5. Who was assaulted, and by whom? What was the nature of these assaults? What injuries were sustained, or medical treatment required?

6. How did players and officials from the two clubs behave during this time?

7. What happened after police back up entered the pitch? Were they challenged or confronted by fans? How long did it take to regain control?

8. What damage was caused to the pitch and stadium?

9. How good was Sunshine on Leith, by the way?

10. How did the fans behave after leaving Hampden?

Amadou_Konte
24-05-2016, 01:29 PM
Why doesn't one of the journalists that have been so critical of Hibs sit in the away end at Ibrox for a match. Sure to open their eyes. Missiles, bigotry and an all round poisonous atmosphere at that part of the ground.

hibswillie
24-05-2016, 01:30 PM
Remember when we played them at Ibrox and Scott Allan was pelted with coins etc. I'm sure there was a rangers statement going about saying fans get "over excited".

silverhibee
24-05-2016, 01:32 PM
Just saw footage on reporting scotland of the 2 rangers fans grabbing the young hibs fan...wtf was that all about.....hibs fans came to his aid

I really hope that the club have footage of this, was the sick c***'s trying to abduct a child from the ground.

Good on the Hibs fans for coming to the young child's aid even if they did use violence to stop the paedos from taking that wee boy.

Saint Hibee
24-05-2016, 01:37 PM
Having carried out my own thorough and impartial investigation into Saturday's events, I can conclude that: James Tavernier isn't very good at defending.

SlickShoes
24-05-2016, 01:46 PM
I just watched the game back on Hibs TV and at the end Rangers fans are harassing our commentary team for ages, they even hit one of them and start throwing things at them.

Probably just defending their team though eh

DCI Gene Hunt
24-05-2016, 01:59 PM
What baffles me is the incessant Sevco ranting and raving about the anti-Sevco treatment by the BBC, MSM , sundry football pundits, the SFA ( or whatever it calls itself ) and Nicola Sturgeon. Maybe I'm missing something, but these are the very people who are essentially backing the Sevco take on things.

What he said :agree:

Questions that need answered:-

-Why are The Rangers board deliberately trying to stir up bother with inflammatory statements when emotions are clearly very raw?
-Regarding the above, why are the SFA/Police not taking The Rangers to task on this?
-Why are the SFA allowing The Rangers to deface Hibernian FC's reputation (and that of other organisations and individuals)?
-Why has there been no mention of the constant sectarian singing/chanting by The Rangers fans throughout the game, including during the pitch invasion? (Clearly audible on Radio broadcast)
-Why was no action taken against the The Rangers fans who threw smoke bombs and flares?
-Why have the media shown bias in reporting of "the incident" by taking The Rangers' side despite there being many credible eyewitness reports giving contradictory testimony?
-Why is such a big deal being made over broken goalposts and some divots ripped out of a pitch?
-Regarding the above, if it is an issue, why were fans allowed to break goalposts and damage the pitch?
-Further regarding the above, what were the stewards and Police doing whilst this was going on?
-How can Hibernian FC be held accountable for stewarding and Policing failures, the behaviour of another club's fans and the repeated failure of the SFA to bring to account a football club whos fans repeatedly perpetrate criminal acts of sectarianism, vandalism and general disorder on a regular basis (The Rangers) and therefore condone such behaviour?
-Regarding the above, considering The Rangers get away with such shocking disorder on a weekly basis, why is a harsher stance being applied to Hibernian FC?
-Further regarding the above, why do the SFA feel the obligation to apply differing weights and measures to different football clubs, mostly to the favour of certain clubs?

Not holding my breath however, I think The Rangers will fall on their sword but any "independant" inquiry will deliberately be made a Bluewash to exhonorate as far as possible the establishment's beloved footbal club.

Gene

greenginger
24-05-2016, 04:12 PM
What he said :agree:

Questions that need answered:-

-Why are The Rangers board deliberately trying to stir up bother with inflammatory statements when emotions are clearly very raw?
-Regarding the above, why are the SFA/Police not taking The Rangers to task on this?
-Why are the SFA allowing The Rangers to deface Hibernian FC's reputation (and that of other organisations and individuals)?
-Why has there been no mention of the constant sectarian singing/chanting by The Rangers fans throughout the game, including during the pitch invasion? (Clearly audible on Radio broadcast)
-Why was no action taken against the The Rangers fans who threw smoke bombs and flares?
-Why have the media shown bias in reporting of "the incident" by taking The Rangers' side despite there being many credible eyewitness reports giving contradictory testimony?
-Why is such a big deal being made over broken goalposts and some divots ripped out of a pitch?
-Regarding the above, if it is an issue, why were fans allowed to break goalposts and damage the pitch?
-Further regarding the above, what were the stewards and Police doing whilst this was going on?
-How can Hibernian FC be held accountable for stewarding and Policing failures, the behaviour of another club's fans and the repeated failure of the SFA to bring to account a football club whos fans repeatedly perpetrate criminal acts of sectarianism, vandalism and general disorder on a regular basis (The Rangers) and therefore condone such behaviour?
-Regarding the above, considering The Rangers get away with such shocking disorder on a weekly basis, why is a harsher stance being applied to Hibernian FC?
-Further regarding the above, why do the SFA feel the obligation to apply differing weights and measures to different football clubs, mostly to the favour of certain clubs?

Not holding my breath however, I think The Rangers will fall on their sword but any "independant" inquiry will deliberately be made a Bluewash to exhonorate as far as possible the establishment's beloved footbal club.

Gene


I wish some tech-savvy poster could pull together various clips of Rangers thuggery , sectarian singing, assorted smoke bomb footage , the denials of player assaults etc , and get them posted on one clip on here.

We could then re-post them to as many other football club fan sites, the Scottish Football Monitor, Pie and Bovril even the newspapers online sites.

Rangers are getting their corrupted version of events out through the usual Sevco media a***-lickers. We need to put the truth out before their lies become the accepted version of events.

Hibs07p
24-05-2016, 05:30 PM
As this thread is titled Hampden: THE TRUTH, questions need to be answered by the Match Commander, such as, is there any truth in the rumour that after Hibs had scored in the 92nd minute, all police resources were utillised outside the stadium due to intelligence that the The Rangers fans intended to attack our fans outside after the game, and that was why very little police presence inside the stadium. I'm not claiming to be in the know or if the rumour is accurate, but in the interests of finding the truth, that question must be answered. If there is no foundation to the rumour, why were the police resources so limited in the stadium?

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

Keith_M
24-05-2016, 05:41 PM
I really hope that the club have footage of this, was the sick c***'s trying to abduct a child from the ground.

Good on the Hibs fans for coming to the young child's aid even if they did use violence to stop the paedos from taking that wee boy.


There is a photo of this in the Herald, with the Hibs Supporters who came to the rescue of the kid labelled as 'Hibs Thugs'.


What chance do you have when the media describe the guys saving a young kid from possible abduction as 'thugs'.


Anybody that witnessed this really should go to the police immediately. The Media should also be made aware of the incident.