Rangers fan view of the play-offs

[JFK-1]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:

[Alfred E Newman]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:
No doubt you will be on the receiving end of the usual abuse but not from me. Unfortunately no club , no matter how big has a devine right to success , that has been proved by the amount of poorly supported clubs now in the top league. Unfortunately Hibs are where they are by their own failings.

[sleeping giant]

I wish I could be gracious in victory.
Sigh

[DaveF]

That's a reasonable summary from the outside looking in, but having had the 'advantage' of watching us all season I don't think you can appreciate the porous and ponderous nature if our play in the majority of our league games.

The team is capable of so much better but the same mistakes cost us time and time again.

What is your view on McCall given he might be tipped as a possible replacement?

Ad for next week, well we will find out soon enough.

[NAE NOOKIE]

No doubt you will be on the receiving end of the usual abuse but not from me. Unfortunately no club , no matter how big has a devine right to success , that has been proved by the amount of poorly supported clubs now in the top league. Unfortunately Hibs are where they are by their own failings.

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[Pete]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:

Welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:

Good to see fans of all clubs on here as it adds to the debate.

[IberianHibernian]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:Fair comments . We looked like the better team in almost every match against Falkirk ( and Raith ) but didn`t get results to show that ( like last year in league derbies ) . Falkirk also got good results against Rangers so are no mugs . I think one problem is complacency - in games like yesterday we seem so superior that there`s a tendency to relax and that`s deadly against Falkirk .

[JFK-1]

No doubt you will be on the receiving end of the usual abuse but not from me. Unfortunately no club , no matter how big has a devine right to success , that has been proved by the amount of poorly supported clubs now in the top league. Unfortunately Hibs are where they are by their own failings.

I would agree no club despite size can just expect the desired result to fall into their laps but over the piece I don't really know what Hibs could have done any better. That slump I mentioned killed you and that can happen to any team and unfortunately for you it happened at the wrong time and was somewhat extended after previously being on a roll. It's strange.

Regarding Falkirk I think they could have turned over Rangers too. I'm not saying they would have but they definitely could have.

[ShinyFantastic]

Fair play. We deserve to be where we are at but there is no doubt Scottish football as a whole would benefit from having all the bigger teams back in the top flight. We are just a laughing stock.

[keep the faith]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:

Your view is way more rational than some on here, but it's a time of high emotions and OTT reactions.
I agree that we are actually a good side. We deserve way more than we got this season league wise and I hope Stubbs stays and finishes the job. We were at rock bottom when he took over and I for one enjoy watching us play.

Thanks for taking the time to post and sharing your thoughts. Very decent of you.

Fingers crossed we gub you next week though!! 😊 I think it will be very tight but we are definately capable of winning.

[keep the faith]

Fair play. We deserve to be where we are at but there is no doubt Scottish football as a whole would benefit from having all the bigger teams back in the top flight. We are just a laughing stock.

Not we are not.

[JFK-1]

Fair play. We deserve to be where we are at but there is no doubt Scottish football as a whole would benefit from having all the bigger teams back in the top flight. We are just a laughing stock.

I would agree that when relegated Hibs deserved to be where they were and probably last season too as did Rangers. But this season I don't feel Hibs deserve to still be in the Championship. At the end of the first half of the league they looked capable of beating most teams in the SPL and in fact were beating any SPL opposition put in front of them and continued that to reach the Scottish cup final.

This season should have ended with Hibs back in the SPL and the fact that it hasn't is obviously disastrous for the club and it's fans and detrimental to the entire Scottish game. Next season at least Rangers wont be in the mix which can obviously only help but I have my fears that next season may present different problems after an extended stay in that league.

[Sergey]

I would agree that when relegated Hibs deserved to be where they were and probably last season too as did Rangers. But this season I don't feel Hibs deserve to still be in the Championship. At the end of the first half of the league they looked capable of beating most teams in the SPL and in fact were beating any SPL opposition put in front of them and continued that to reach the Scottish cup final.

This season should have ended with Hibs back in the SPL and the fact that it hasn't is obviously disastrous for the club and it's fans and detrimental to the entire Scottish game. Next season at least Rangers wont be in the mix which can obviously only help but I have my fears that next season may present different problems after an extended stay in that league.

If we can't beat Alloa, Dumbarton and Livi and QoS when the chips are down then we really do deserve to still be in the Championship.

[Greencore]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:

Good post, very respectful.

[chrisski33]

Not we are not.

Aye we are lots of folk are having a laugh at hibs! U must be blind or deaf

[Killiehibbie]

If we can't beat Alloa, Dumbarton and Livi and QoS when the chips are down then we really do deserve to still be in the Championship.Was there any team we took maximum points off?

[JFK-1]

Fingers crossed we gub you next week though!!  I think it will be very tight but we are definately capable of winning.

Capable yes but likely to do so? Probably not :wink:

But again it's a perfect example of how tough that league has been this year. Only one SPL team made it to the final of our two national cup competitions and over the course of teh season the Championship was infinitely more competitive and entratianing than the SPL.

And in addition I don't think it will help to turn on Stubbs because I doubt you will find a better manager than him in a hurry. It's not his fault you didn't get the rub of the green after totally outplaying Falkirk over the two legs.

[ShinyFantastic]

Not we are not.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

[JFK-1]

If we can't beat Alloa, Dumbarton and Livi and QoS when the chips are down then we really do deserve to still be in the Championship.

All teams Rangers have struggled against too and I will be realistic about Rangers winning at a canter in the end up. That was entirely built around the first quarter when they won all matches and ultimately built a lead that couldn't be caught. But after that first quarter it was nothing like so convincing and if not for the first quarter Rangers could have been in the play off mix.

The first quarter won the league.

[keep the faith]

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Get a perspective man. We were unlucky. It's still a million times better than the football we suffered under Butcher, Fenton, Calder wood and it's clear how much this team cares. We just fell short that's all.

It's just football. I can't get angry about fine margins. I was angry watching butchers torpedo football,but not seeing a team who gave everything fall short. And I continue to see what the club are trying to do. Laughing stock? Of course we are not.

[ShinyFantastic]

Get a perspective man. We were unlucky. It's still a million times better than the football we suffered under Butcher, Fenton, Calder wood and it's clear how much this team cares. We just fell short that's all.

It's just football. I can't get angry about fine margins. I was angry watching butchers torpedo football,but not seeing a team who gave everything fall short. And I continue to see what the club are trying to do. Laughing stock? Of course we are not.

We just fell short. We just fell short to get relegated. We just fell short in the cup semi last year. We just fell short in the play-offs last year. We just fell short in the league cup final. We just fell short in the play-offs this year. How short are we going to fall next week?

[Leith Green]

The fact of the matter is that we have played a full league campaign and have not been promoted. We deserve to be where we are and its quite simply not good enough. We are a team who enjoy lots of possesion but struggle to break teams down and kill teams off. That is the reason we are struggling to get out of this league, a change of approach is required for next season.

[JFK-1]

What is your view on McCall given he might be tipped as a possible replacement?

Ad for next week, well we will find out soon enough.

You need to stick with Stubbs, he is a good manager who has had some bad luck. I don't see what good bringing in McCall would do, it would be like starting over again when you already have a good base.

And as for next week, we will indeed find out soon enough :wink:

[Golden Bear]

No doubt you will be on the receiving end of the usual abuse but not from me. Unfortunately no club , no matter how big has a devine right to success , that has been proved by the amount of poorly supported clubs now in the top league. Unfortunately Hibs are where they are by their own failings.

Spot on Malcolm. Once again we have proved to be the champions of securing defeat from the grasps of victory.

Pig sick last night and I'm no different tonight.

[JFK-1]

We are a team who enjoy lots of possession but struggle to break teams down and kill teams off.

You realise exactly the same thing is being said about Rangers by Rangers fans? My own view as I have already stated is that they hit the ground running and had a fantastic first quarter and that's what won the league. That's what you guys need to do next season.

A recent example of Rangers struggling in exactly the same manner you think Hibs do.

Livingston 1 - Rangers 0

Possession: Livingston 35% - Rangers 65%

Shots: Livingston 6 - Rangers 10

Corners: Livingston 2 - Rangers 10

Exactly the same problem you're describing for Hibs and that was the case in many Rangers matches and I think that if not for hitting the ground running and having that fantastic first quarter it could have been a whole different ball game so Hibs just need the breaks.

[Jim44]

If we can't beat Alloa, Dumbarton and Livi and QoS when the chips are down then we really do deserve to still be in the Championship.

I don't always agree with you, Sergey, but on this one you are 100% correct. My worry is that we mght be a weaker side next sason with a prolonged stay in the Championship a real possibility. A so-called young and up and coming manager with a team of talented players couldn't get us out of the sh*t, so god knows where we are going.

[Sergey]

I don't always agree with you, Sergey, but on this one you are 100% correct. My worry is that we mght be a weaker side next sason with a prolonged stay in the Championship a real possibility. A so-called young and up and coming manager with a team of talented players couldn't get us out of the sh*t, so god knows where we are going.

It pains me to say it, but I've been saying for months that we could be languishing in this division for the foreseeable. The league isn't going to be any less competitive next season, nor the season after that and if we do loose our 'better' players then the task doesn't get any easier. We also no longer qualify for a parachute payment, so that's probably £500k out of the playing budget.

We couldn't finish above Falkirk this season and lost against them in the play-offs, plus they arguably had two of their best players out with long-term injuries.

We're going to be shopping at Lidl and Aldi for cast-offs (Netto is probably more apt) - it's a dire state of affairs and I really don't see a way forward.

[Waxy]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:Welcome anytime on here i'd say.Sure we have level headed supporters of quite a few teams on here now and again.

[Waxy]

Not we are not.Yes we are.Although we had undoubtedly one of the top two squads and teams in the division, it takes more than that as we've found out to our cost

[JFK-1]

It pains me to say it, but I've been saying for months that we could be languishing in this division for the foreseeable. The league isn't going to be any less competitive next season, nor the season after that and if we do loose our 'better' players then the task doesn't get any easier. We also no longer qualify for a parachute payment, so that's probably £500k out of the playing budget.

We couldn't finish above Falkirk this season and lost against them in the play-offs, plus they arguably had two of their best players out with long-term injuries.

We're going to be shopping at Lidl and Aldi for cast-offs (Netto is probably more apt) - it's a dire state of affairs and I really don't see a way forward.

Yes it all looks grim right now, there is no hiding from that but think back 4 years to the state Rangers were in after being sent not to the second tier but the lowest tier and in the middle of a **** storm that makes Hibs current woes look trivial in comparison.

The fans just kept right on turning up through it all despite the fact that until this season they weren't even playing entertaining football. You need to keep turning up at games and backing the team through this.

[BoomtownHibees]

Yes it all looks grim right now, there is no hiding from that but think back 4 years to the state Rangers were in after being sent not to the second tier but the lowest tier and in the middle of a **** storm

You were doing so well

[Alfred E Newman]

Yes it all looks grim right now, there is no hiding from that but think back 4 years to the state Rangers were in after being sent not to the second tier but the lowest tier and in the middle of a **** storm that makes Hibs current woes look trivial in comparison.

The fans just kept right on turning up through it all despite the fact that until this season they weren't even playing entertaining football. You need to keep turning up at games and backing the team through this.

Wait for it !! :timebomb:

[LancashireHibby]

You were doing so well
Maybe poorly phrased in terms of how they entered Division Three (ie as a new club rather than being 'sent' there), but he's right that they were in a right mess but in the end have managed to turn it round. Suppose 50,000 through the gates every other week helps, but there again wasn't much of that money being diverted elsewhere?

If the one reasonable Rangers fan in the world wants to come on here then that's fine by me. Think we're sometimes lacking on here in getting the view of an outsider ('outing' Yams aside).

[rcarter1]

It pains me to say it, but I've been saying for months that we could be languishing in this division for the foreseeable. The league isn't going to be any less competitive next season, nor the season after that and if we do loose our 'better' players then the task doesn't get any easier. We also no longer qualify for a parachute payment, so that's probably £500k out of the playing budget.

We couldn't finish above Falkirk this season and lost against them in the play-offs, plus they arguably had two of their best players out with long-term injuries.

We're going to be shopping at Lidl and Aldi for cast-offs (Netto is probably more apt) - it's a dire state of affairs and I really don't see a way forward.

A disgustingly rich sugar daddy dripping in ill begotten lucre. Willing for some insane reason to throw it in our direction?
Ill take blood, guts, a bit of nouse, a smidgen (at least) of pace, and a small drop of luck perhaps.

Agree though, there is absolutely no guarantees for next season, or the one after, or the one after, etc.
Anyone played roulette and put your bucks on black 6 times in a row and come out with zip?

[theonlywayisup]

What ever happened to Blueisthecolour? He's been missing for around 4 years. Maybe he's just come returned!!

[erin go bragh]

It pains me to say it, but I've been saying for months that we could be languishing in this division for the foreseeable. The league isn't going to be any less competitive next season, nor the season after that and if we do loose our 'better' players then the task doesn't get any easier. We also no longer qualify for a parachute payment, so that's probably £500k out of the playing budget.

We couldn't finish above Falkirk this season and lost against them in the play-offs, plus they arguably had two of their best players out with long-term injuries.

We're going to be shopping at Lidl and Aldi for cast-offs (Netto is probably more apt) - it's a dire state of affairs and I really don't see a way forward.
We were the better team in both our play off matches against Falkirk . If not for two horrific refereeing decisions we would have been through to our third final of the season . Our luck has been non existent this season . The amount of bad decisions that we have had is unreal .
We can win this cup and win the league next season . Plenty bargains to be had at Lidl and Aldi mate :)

GGTTH

[Hibs Class]

If we can't beat Alloa, Dumbarton and Livi and QoS when the chips are down then we really do deserve to still be in the Championship.

Falkirk finished one goal ahead of us, so i guess that means they also really deserve to still be in the championship, and killie also deserve to not be in the PL as they have been so poor. We also deserved the league cup given the run we had. So what teams deserve is a kind of meaningless, and idiotic, argument.

[JFK-1]

Maybe poorly phrased in terms of how they entered Division Three (ie as a new club rather than being 'sent' there), but he's right that they were in a right mess but in the end have managed to turn it round. Suppose 50,000 through the gates every other week helps, but there again wasn't much of that money being diverted elsewhere?

If the one reasonable Rangers fan in the world wants to come on here then that's fine by me. Think we're sometimes lacking on here in getting the view of an outsider ('outing' Yams aside).

You may have different views from me on the entire affair but that's not what's relevant to the current issue which is Hibs being stuck in a league that is obviously bad for the team and bad for the entire Scottish game.

The relevant point is that as you noted Rangers turned it around which required the backing of the fans even in difficult times with all manner of other diversions in the background. Hibs aren't in a position anything like as bad as that and what I see here is some people on other threads talking about never going to see them again etc. which is the very last thing that you need right now.

My view is that they are a good team with a good manager who just hasn't had the breaks most would expect while some are saying the manger is ready to bail out when the best thing for the team is that he should stay and carry the job on. You're not going to find anyone any better right now and as for him perhaps independently deciding to go does it never occur to anyone that the negative attitudes being thrown around don't help any in that respect?

Granted it seems like the end of the world right now but this is just the morning after the night before so to speak and given the proper backing Hibs can get out of this league next season though i'm not saying that will be easy. It wasn't easy for Rangers either and we needed a spectacular first quarter to accomplish that. Hibs are every bit as capable of doing the same thing.

To anyone who isn't a Rangers fan it may look as if it was a relaxing easy campaign with the end result never in doubt but believe me that was far from the case. It wasn't until comfortably into the final quarter it became anything like relaxing and having no doubt of the end result and until then I fully expected Hibs to take it to the wire and even take the top spot.

It all fell apart inside a matter of probably just a few weeks after a perfectly good season until then. Certainly disappointing but not an indication of a bad team or a bad manager. Continue backing the manager and the team and it will all fall into place soon enough. Take a look across at Dundee United. THAT'S a chronic condition. Hibs is not.

[rcarter1]

You may have different views from me on the entire affair but that's not what's relevant to the current issue which is Hibs being stuck in a league that is obviously bad for the team and bad for the entire Scottish game.

The relevant point is that as you noted Rangers turned it around which required the backing of the fans even in difficult times with all manner of other diversions in the background. Hibs aren't in a position anything like as bad as that and what I see here is some people on other threads talking about never going to see them again etc. which is the very last thing that you need right now.

My view is that they are a good team with a good manager who just hasn't had the breaks most would expect while some are saying the manger is ready to bail out when the best thing for the team is that he should stay and carry the job on. You're not going to find anyone any better right now and as for him perhaps independently deciding to go does it never occur to anyone that the negative attitudes being thrown around don't help any in that respect?

Granted it seems like the end of the world right now but this is just the morning after the night before so to speak and given the proper backing Hibs can get out of this league next season though i'm not saying that will be easy. It wasn't easy for Rangers either and we needed a spectacular first quarter to accomplish that. Hibs are every bit as capable of doing the same thing.

To anyone who isn't a Rangers fan it may look as if it was a relaxing easy campaign with the end result never in doubt but believe me that was far from the case. It wasn't until comfortably into the final quarter it became anything like relaxing and having no doubt of the end result and until then I fully expected Hibs to take it to the wire and even take the top spot.

It all fell apart inside a matter of probably just a few weeks after a perfectly good season until then. Certainly disappointing but not an indication of a bad team or a bad manager. Continue backing the manager and the team and it will all fall into place soon enough. Take a look across at Dundee United. THAT'S a chronic condition. Hibs is not.

JFK-1, Im genuinely glad you're contributing, outside opinion is healthy, and for me it doesn't matter what club anyone supports.
I agree that Hibs are not far away from getting out of the division, that for a while we looked capable of pushing you all the way, and perhaps had a bit of bad luck at times.

A number of things worth putting into context from our side.

We are the victim of our own ineptitude - from a purely footballing/management side. Yourselves and Hearts had influences outside of football that led to your respective 'relocation'. It then perhaps makes it easier for your support to rally around the football part of things.

As for saying Dundee United are the chronic condition. Well I can forgive you for not following Hibs fortunes since around 2010, and the steady step by step degradation of the team/club, leading to relegation and our as yet failed attempts to get out of this league. For us, this is very much a chronic decline - and we have no one to blame other than our club/managment/players (fans?). No other issues have bedevilled us (unless you believe all the referees are out to get us).

Maybe we have levelled off, and we can start moving forward for the first time in over half a decade, but frankly there is nothing to suggest that we are inexorably headed that way. Of all the teams in the top 4 this season, we are the only team that didn't make any progress in terms of points, goals etc etc.

Finally, can you imagine what a Hearts forum would look like if we had done what they did last season, and they were here for a third term in a row? Does anyone think there would be a single Hearts fan still bigging up Robbie Nielson? They had a banner asking for him to go this season - a season they have finished 3rd in the SPL!

Anyway, apart from the obvious with regards next weekend, may you enjoy your football as best you can. Someone has to!! :greengrin

[gaz1875]

You may have different views from me on the entire affair but that's not what's relevant to the current issue which is Hibs being stuck in a league that is obviously bad for the team and bad for the entire Scottish game.

The relevant point is that as you noted Rangers turned it around which required the backing of the fans even in difficult times with all manner of other diversions in the background. Hibs aren't in a position anything like as bad as that and what I see here is some people on other threads talking about never going to see them again etc. which is the very last thing that you need right now.

My view is that they are a good team with a good manager who just hasn't had the breaks most would expect while some are saying the manger is ready to bail out when the best thing for the team is that he should stay and carry the job on. You're not going to find anyone any better right now and as for him perhaps independently deciding to go does it never occur to anyone that the negative attitudes being thrown around don't help any in that respect?

Granted it seems like the end of the world right now but this is just the morning after the night before so to speak and given the proper backing Hibs can get out of this league next season though i'm not saying that will be easy. It wasn't easy for Rangers either and we needed a spectacular first quarter to accomplish that. Hibs are every bit as capable of doing the same thing.

To anyone who isn't a Rangers fan it may look as if it was a relaxing easy campaign with the end result never in doubt but believe me that was far from the case. It wasn't until comfortably into the final quarter it became anything like relaxing and having no doubt of the end result and until then I fully expected Hibs to take it to the wire and even take the top spot.

It all fell apart inside a matter of probably just a few weeks after a perfectly good season until then. Certainly disappointing but not an indication of a bad team or a bad manager. Continue backing the manager and the team and it will all fall into place soon enough. Take a look across at Dundee United. THAT'S a chronic condition. Hibs is not.

Excellent viewpoint from an outsider. I spoke to a Partick fan earlier today and he said pretty much the same. He even went down to Easter Road a few times with his grandson, as a neutral he loved the excitement of the games Hibs were involved in. Not so exciting for the fans more nervy, we never know if we are going to hold on for a result until the final whistle went!!

[21.05.2016]

What ever happened to Blueisthecolour? He's been missing for around 4 years. Maybe he's just come returned!!

Or come back as a "newco" :greengrin THE Blueisthecolour

[Springbank]

Have to say, credit to the Rangers fan.
I know a few decent ones (all from Glasgow, none from Ulster or Lanarkshire etc where - in my experience - the utter bams travel from)
My take on it is the whole Scottish game would benefit from a 16 or 18 team league, playing each other twice a season.
Greater variety, less familiarity, and we have seen the past 2 seasons there are 16-18 good clubs in the country.
We were 15th in Scotland this season due to our shot shy tactics

[JFK-1]

JFK-1, Im genuinely glad you're contributing, outside opinion is healthy, and for me it doesn't matter what club anyone supports.
I agree that Hibs are not far away from getting out of the division, that for a while we looked capable of pushing you all the way, and perhaps had a bit of bad luck at times.

A number of things worth putting into context from our side.

We are the victim of our own ineptitude - from a purely footballing/management side. Yourselves and Hearts had influences outside of football that led to your respective 'relocation'. It then perhaps makes it easier for your support to rally around the football part of things.

As for saying Dundee United are the chronic condition. Well I can forgive you for not following Hibs fortunes since around 2010, and the steady step by step degradation of the team/club, leading to relegation and our as yet failed attempts to get out of this league. For us, this is very much a chronic decline - and we have no one to blame other than our club/managment/players (fans?). No other issues have bedevilled us (unless you believe all the referees are out to get us).

Maybe we have levelled off, and we can start moving forward for the first time in over half a decade, but frankly there is nothing to suggest that we are inexorably headed that way. Of all the teams in the top 4 this season, we are the only team that didn't make any progress in terms of points, goals etc etc.

Finally, can you imagine what a Hearts forum would look like if we had done what they did last season, and they were here for a third term in a row? Does anyone think there would be a single Hearts fan still bigging up Robbie Nielson? They had a banner asking for him to go this season - a season they have finished 3rd in the SPL!

Anyway, apart from the obvious with regards next weekend, may you enjoy your football as best you can. Someone has to!! :greengrin

Agreed that it boiled down to some bad luck at the wrong times. From my perspective and that of Rangers fans in general until comfortably into the final quarter I felt Hibs were going to take it to the wire at best and maybe even nick first spot at worst. That was always a realistic possibility until an entirely unexpected major slump which I think started with a 3-0 defeat from Morton and it all fell apart inside no more than a couple of weeks or so after what had been a very good season.

Regarding Dundee United I still think they are the current chronic condition in comparison to the current state of Hibs not the fortunes of Hibs over the past 5 years or so. I doubt they will be any challenge to you in next seasons league and it wouldn't surprise me if they spend an extended period in the Championship.

I think it's imperative that you try to retain Stubbs because a new manager at this stage is like starting all over again when you're just on the cusp of getting out of this mess.

As for next week may your rotten luck continue for just one more day. :wink:

[Hi Heid Yin]

Agreed that it boiled down to some bad luck at the wrong times. From my perspective and that of Rangers fans in general until comfortably into the final quarter I felt Hibs were going to take it to the wire at best and maybe even nick first spot at worst. That was always a realistic possibility until an entirely unexpected major slump which I think started with a 3-0 defeat from Morton and it all fell apart inside no more than a couple of weeks or so after what had been a very good season.

Regarding Dundee United I still think they are the current chronic condition in comparison to the current state of Hibs not the fortunes of Hibs over the past 5 years or so. I doubt they will be any challenge to you in next seasons league and it wouldn't surprise me if they spend an extended period in the Championship.

I think it's imperative that you try to retain Stubbs because a new manager at this stage is like starting all over again when you're just on the cusp of getting out of this mess.

As for next week may your rotten luck continue for just one more day. :wink:


Refreshing and much needed post from the follower of another club.
You've stuck your colours up for all to see, so no gripes from this Hibby!
Thank you JFK1 - though I'm not sure about the dubious username.

[JFK-1]

Have to say, credit to the Rangers fan.
I know a few decent ones (all from Glasgow, none from Ulster or Lanarkshire etc where - in my experience - the utter bams travel from)
My take on it is the whole Scottish game would benefit from a 16 or 18 team league, playing each other twice a season.
Greater variety, less familiarity, and we have seen the past 2 seasons there are 16-18 good clubs in the country.
We were 15th in Scotland this season due to our shot shy tactics

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was indeed from Lanarkshire. Hamilton to be precise. :wink:

I would like to see a larger league in some form too and this seasons events have simply confirmed for me that the top half of the Championship isn't another world away from the bulk of the SPL.

And regarding "our shot shy tactics" believe it or not that's exactly what Rangers fans are saying about their own team too yet there they are automatically promoted. I still feel Hibs are on the right track.

[JFK-1]

Refreshing and much needed post from the follower of another club.
You've stuck your colours up for all to see, so no gripes from this Hibby!
Thank you JFK1 - though I'm not sure about the dubious username.

The username is simply my actual initials, JFK. Though none of my names match the more famous JFK.

[rcarter1]

Agreed that it boiled down to some bad luck at the wrong times. From my perspective and that of Rangers fans in general until comfortably into the final quarter I felt Hibs were going to take it to the wire at best and maybe even nick first spot at worst. That was always a realistic possibility until an entirely unexpected major slump which I think started with a 3-0 defeat from Morton and it all fell apart inside no more than a couple of weeks or so after what had been a very good season.

Regarding Dundee United I still think they are the current chronic condition in comparison to the current state of Hibs not the fortunes of Hibs over the past 5 years or so. I doubt they will be any challenge to you in next seasons league and it wouldn't surprise me if they spend an extended period in the Championship.

I think it's imperative that you try to retain Stubbs because a new manager at this stage is like starting all over again when you're just on the cusp of getting out of this mess.

As for next week may your rotten luck continue for just one more day. :wink:

Well I don't want to get into slagging match about who is more chronic Hibs or Dundee United!
We needed inspired goal keeping vs them to get to the final, so Ill wait until next season to see how it pans out.

As for new manager, well Neilson was new, Warburton was new, and there are countless examples when a new manager has been just the right thing for a club. Don't get me wrong, if Stubbs were to stay, Ill support him and the team, but there are clear football lessons to be learned and Stubbs has to show he is capable of delivering. Until we imploded this season, the difference between us and yourselves, was that we were scraping over the line in far too many games, your team was more often then not hammering teams. That alone suggested to me that we were favourites to have a bad slump. In order to do well in this league, you really want to be able to kill games to get the wins you need - that way bad luck/nerves are less likely to catch you out.

[Hi Heid Yin]

The username is simply my actual initials, JFK. Though none of my names match the more famous JFK.

Thank you for the insight JFK.
Keep your positive contributions to Hibs.net coming.
Lord knows we need some at this time.
:aok:

[JFK-1]

Thank you for the insight JFK.
Keep your positive contributions to Hibs.net coming.
Lord knows we need some at this time.
:aok:

Would you believe that the same gloom and doom you see from some around here is also evident on the Rangers forums? The glass is always half empty for some no matter what. Despite the fact that Rangers ultimately won the Championship with a comfortable margin and are in the Scottish cup final it's still nothing but misery for some simply due to the past few results.

End of the world, Warburton is a disaster and winning the cup is impossible. Personally I don't share any of those views. Warburton was our greatest signing in years and I would make Rangers favourites for the cup but as I said just like you're seeing around here some people seem to wallow in gloom and doom.

[stantonhibby]

Would you believe that the same gloom and doom you see from some around here is also evident on the Rangers forums? The glass is always half empty for some no matter what. Despite the fact that Rangers ultimately won the Championship with a comfortable margin and are in the Scottish cup final it's still nothing but misery for some simply due to the past few results.

End of the world, Warburton is a disaster and winning the cup is impossible. Personally I don't share any of those views. Warburton was our greatest signing in years and I would make Rangers favourites for the cup but as I said just like you're seeing around here some people seem to wallow in gloom and doom.

You've won the league and beaten your rivals in the semi final. Surely it's just greed to want the Cup as well?

[ShinyFantastic]

You've won the league and beaten your rivals in the semi final. Surely it's just greed to want the Cup as well?

Aye just let us win it!

[Cheshire Hibby]

Would you believe that the same gloom and doom you see from some around here is also evident on the Rangers forums? The glass is always half empty for some no matter what. Despite the fact that Rangers ultimately won the Championship with a comfortable margin and are in the Scottish cup final it's still nothing but misery for some simply due to the past few results.

End of the world, Warburton is a disaster and winning the cup is impossible. Personally I don't share any of those views. Warburton was our greatest signing in years and I would make Rangers favourites for the cup but as I said just like you're seeing around here some people seem to wallow in gloom and doom.

Been following this thread with interest. Will also welcome a JFK-1 to this forum. Seems sensible and balanced.

Agree wholly that Warburton has been their best signing for years and I for one have been impressed by his focus, drive to a good job and get results. I think AS can be as good remembering this is his first managerial position. Next season he needs to learn from his mistakes and get us back into the Premier as Champions. As for next Saturday, it is long overdue for Edinburgh's green and white ribbons to adorn that trophy. GGTTH

[JFK-1]

You've won the league and beaten your rivals in the semi final. Surely it's just greed to want the Cup as well?

I realise the cup in some respects means a lot more to you than it does to us since it would be a first time for you which is obviously significant. For Rangers the actual winning of this cup has almost no significance. The Euro spot is what's at stake for Rangers and that's why they will fight tooth and nail on the day.

[rcarter1]

Would you believe that the same gloom and doom you see from some around here is also evident on the Rangers forums? The glass is always half empty for some no matter what. Despite the fact that Rangers ultimately won the Championship with a comfortable margin and are in the Scottish cup final it's still nothing but misery for some simply due to the past few results.

End of the world, Warburton is a disaster and winning the cup is impossible. Personally I don't share any of those views. Warburton was our greatest signing in years and I would make Rangers favourites for the cup but as I said just like you're seeing around here some people seem to wallow in gloom and doom.

Wallowing about bad league results that don't mean anything to the final outcome of your objective is one thing (and I agree just a bit negative for negative sake). We (or some us) are currently wallowing in the hard cold realities of failure.

There will be much less wallowing in gloom if we can beat you guys! :agree:

[JFK-1]

There will be much less wallowing in gloom if we can beat you guys! :agree:

Understandably a cup win would be nice for you but the real prize if I were in your position would have been promotion. Even if my team had never won this cup before I would still have traded it for promotion given the choice and I presume you would have too.

Bit that's not to take anything away from your hopes for a bright spot in the gloom. Of course that would be a fabulous upper after what's just gone down last night. But hopes and dreams don't make for actual events. It's not impossible for Hibs to win this cup but personally I would rate it at best 60/40 in Rangers favour. And while I wish you all the best in getting out of this league which I believe you can next season obviously I don't take it as far as hoping you get that bright spot :wink:

It's huge for you guys because it would be a historic first win and something to smile about given recent events. But for Rangers it's actually just as massive given the Euro spot at stake.

Funny thing about it all is that sections of both sets of fans seem to think they cannot win simply due to recent results. A peculiar state of affairs.

[Pete]

Dude, we've won the cup twice.

We're not as cursed as people think :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

Understandably a cup win would be nice for you but the real prize if I were in your position would have been promotion. Even if my team had never won this cup before I would still have traded it for promotion given the choice and I presume you would have too.

Bit that's not to take anything away from your hopes for a bright spot in the gloom. Of course that would be a fabulous upper after what's just gone down last night. But hopes and dreams don't make for actual events. It's not impossible for Hibs to win this cup but personally I would rate it at best 60/40 in Rangers favour. And while I wish you all the best in getting out of this league which I believe you can next season obviously I don't take it as far as hoping you get that bright spot :wink:

It's huge for you guys because it would be a historic first win and something to smile about given recent events. But for Rangers it's actually just as massive given the Euro spot at stake.

Funny thing about it all is that sections of both sets of fans seem to think they cannot win simply due to recent results. A peculiar state of affairs.

They haven't.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Would you believe that the same gloom and doom you see from some around here is also evident on the Rangers forums? The glass is always half empty for some no matter what. Despite the fact that Rangers ultimately won the Championship with a comfortable margin and are in the Scottish cup final it's still nothing but misery for some simply due to the past few results.

End of the world, Warburton is a disaster and winning the cup is impossible. Personally I don't share any of those views. Warburton was our greatest signing in years and I would make Rangers favourites for the cup but as I said just like you're seeing around here some people seem to wallow in gloom and doom.

I agree. There is a doom-and-gloom brigade following every club.
I've peeked on The Bears Den and come across some truly unbelievable negative posts, even after your lot trounced us and sat comfortably on top of the league and were putting teams away with relative ease by 3, 4 and 5 goals regularly. Our lack of goals ultimately killed our promotion bid. It's head-shaking stuff sometimes!

[JFK-1]

As for new manager, Warburton was new

I don't think that can be compared to Hibs jumping horses at this stage. It suited Rangers at that stage but it wouldn't suit Hibs at this stage. I doubt Hibs will have anything like the resources or the pulling power Warburton had at his disposal.

Warburton could offer targets more money and regular crowds of 40K plus as well as promises of a realistic chance at Euro football in the not too distant future. No new Hibs manager would have that at his disposal and I truly believe Hibs will be the worse off if Stubbs goes.

If he stays I actually feel confident Hibs will make it next season but if he goes I seriously doubt it and a prolonged stay could be on the cards. Obviously some of you have different opinions on Stubbs but I think it would be disastrous for Hibs to drive him out.

[Hi Heid Yin]

I don't think that can be compared to Hibs jumping horses at this stage. It suited Rangers at that stage but it wouldn't suit Hibs at this stage. I doubt Hibs will have anything like the resources or the pulling power Warburton had at his disposal.

Warburton could offer targets more money and regular crowds of 40K plus as well as promises of a realistic chance at Euro football in the not too distant future. No new Hibs manager would have that at his disposal and I truly believe Hibs will be the worse off if Stubbs goes.

If he stays I actually feel confident Hibs will make it next season but if he goes I seriously doubt it and a prolonged stay could be on the cards. Obviously some of you have different opinions on Stubbs but I think it would be disastrous for Hibs to drive him out.

Are you sure that you are a Bluenose? Your posts are much too sensible!

[JFK-1]

Are you sure that you are a Bluenose? Your posts are much too sensible!

Been a Rangers fan all my life and was a season ticket holder until I moved to the US. Old enough to have seen a time when Scotland regularly produced world class players who were littering every top team in England and sad at the dramatic decline of Scottish football which is not helped by Hibs being stuck in the Championship.

Aside from mindless bile which you will see from some but every club has that element what good does that do me or the Scottish game?

[rcarter1]

Understandably a cup win would be nice for you but the real prize if I were in your position would have been promotion. Even if my team had never won this cup before I would still have traded it for promotion given the choice and I presume you would have too.

Bit that's not to take anything away from your hopes for a bright spot in the gloom. Of course that would be a fabulous upper after what's just gone down last night. But hopes and dreams don't make for actual events. It's not impossible for Hibs to win this cup but personally I would rate it at best 60/40 in Rangers favour. And while I wish you all the best in getting out of this league which I believe you can next season obviously I don't take it as far as hoping you get that bright spot :wink:

It's huge for you guys because it would be a historic first win and something to smile about given recent events. But for Rangers it's actually just as massive given the Euro spot at stake.

Funny thing about it all is that sections of both sets of fans seem to think they cannot win simply due to recent results. A peculiar state of affairs.

Others have pointed out that we have won it before, but I suppose it will be the first time anyone alive have seen it won so..

You're right about trading the Cup for promotion - hence our current state of misery. As thats not possible, I would take the Cup as a nice tonic. Appreciate the European thing for you guys is a big deal, makes it (even more) interesting. Most important will the mindset of the players on the day. As for your odds of 60/40, Id be delighted with those odds, Im thinking more 70/30.

[rcarter1]

I don't think that can be compared to Hibs jumping horses at this stage. It suited Rangers at that stage but it wouldn't suit Hibs at this stage. I doubt Hibs will have anything like the resources or the pulling power Warburton had at his disposal.

Warburton could offer targets more money and regular crowds of 40K plus as well as promises of a realistic chance at Euro football in the not too distant future. No new Hibs manager would have that at his disposal and I truly believe Hibs will be the worse off if Stubbs goes.

If he stays I actually feel confident Hibs will make it next season but if he goes I seriously doubt it and a prolonged stay could be on the cards. Obviously some of you have different opinions on Stubbs but I think it would be disastrous for Hibs to drive him out.

Hard to say. If as has been rumoured, that Stubbs is leaving by his own will, we may be forced to find out what a new manager can do. For what it is worth, I believe there are managers that could take a good core, and add something in terms of style of play or even just one or two strategic additions, that could see our team reach the next level so to speak. On the other hand we might lose half the squad in the summer so it could all be up in the air!

[Hi Heid Yin]

Been a Rangers fan all my life and was a season ticket holder until I moved to the US. Old enough to have seen a time when Scotland regularly produced world class players who were littering every top team in England and sad at the dramatic decline of Scottish football which is not helped by Hibs being stuck in the Championship.

Aside from mindless bile which you will see from some but every club has that element what good does that do me or the Scottish game?

Yes. I too remember the Scottish element in every top team, including Leeds United and Liverpool and Manchester United. Far, far to many great players to list but Dalglish, Sounness, Macari, Lorimer, Bremner, Hansen were just some who plied their trade down south and who ensured that Scotland regularly qualified for world cups finals!

[JFK-1]

Yes. I too remember the Scottish element in every top team, including Leeds United and Liverpool and Manchester United. Far, far to many great players to list but Dalglish, Sounness, Macari, Lorimer, Bremner, Hansen were just some who plied their trade down south and who ensured that Scotland regularly qualified for world cups finals!

There was a time when those players you mention were on the scene that Scotland qualified for 5 world cups in a row which was an unparalleled feat at the time. Don't know if it's been matched since then.

You might say but hasn't the likes of Brazil and Germany always been in it and had competed 5 times in a row? Yes that's true but they didn't have to qualify every time. They were winning it in between gaining automatic qualification.

[Sensible]

You need to stick with Stubbs, he is a good manager who has had some bad luck. I don't see what good bringing in McCall would do, it would be like starting over again when you already have a good base.

And as for next week, we will indeed find out soon enough :wink:


Totally agree, what are the chances of an new manager (whoever that might be) will get promotion in his first season!! -- unlikely.

If Stubbs is the promising manager that we all generally think he is then hopefully the lessons learned from this season will help get us promoted next season. We will lose some of our influential players from the current first team squad and others who should go as they were not good enough or are passed their best. The manager next signings need to be players who can get us promoted with a system that gets us promoted.

Right now our system of retaining possession and slow build up has not worked. Get a system that moves the ball more effectively from back to front ( not hoofball ) which stops teams getting men behind the ball.

We all listen to TV pundits and the like -the general consensus is stick with the Manager ( look at Newcastle )

[JFK-1]

Right now our system of retaining possession and slow build up has not worked. Get a system that moves the ball more effectively from back to front ( not hoofball ) which stops teams getting men behind the ball.

Isn't that exactly how Rangers play? That's exactly the same complaint I see from Rangers fans regarding the Warburton strategy. They complain about it non stop and complain that Warburton has even outright stated that there is no plan B no matter what the opposition.

Would anyone argue that it hasn't worked out?

[JC94]

Isn't that exactly how Rangers play? That's exactly the same complaint I see from Rangers fans regarding the Warburton strategy. They complain about it non stop and complain that Warburton has even outright stated that there is no plan B no matter what the opposition.

Would anyone argue that it hasn't worked out?

Whenever i have seen Rangers i see them retain possession but also move the ball quickly. This may be because the wide players allow more space for other Rangers players which help move the ball around quickly.

[JFK-1]

Whenever i have seen Rangers i see them retain possession but also move the ball quickly. This may be because the wide players allow more space for other Rangers players which help move the ball around quickly.

It worked like a dream at first but after the first quarter the opposition Hibs aside seemed to have decided that trying to play football against Rangers would result in a thrashing so they simply all began to pack the box. And to be fair Dundee tried to play them and got a hiding while St Johnstone had played in the typical fashion of the Championship teams by sitting well back and trying to pack the box and got a result.

After the first quarter it became a much harder slog for Rangers and the 3, 4 and 5 goal rampages all but dried up. I think Hibs faced the same problems against packed boxes when there is barely a space to fit a golf ball through at times and maybe the greatest difference was that we had a Waghorn and the likes of Tavernier who can strike a terrific ball from outside the pack when it's somewhat loosened and find a space through there.

I think Hibs are on the right track and they should do everything in their power to retain Stubbs for next season. It will be a whole different scenario with no Rangers or Hearts in the mix. Your current goalie is something that might be looked at. I myself coined it's never over till the fat goalie mings when he let a trundler slip under him in the first leg with Falkirk.

[Hi Heid Yin]

Totally agree, what are the chances of an new manager (whoever that might be) will get promotion in his first season!! -- unlikely.

If Stubbs is the promising manager that we all generally think he is then hopefully the lessons learned from this season will help get us promoted next season. We will lose some of our influential players from the current first team squad and others who should go as they were not good enough or are passed their best. The manager next signings need to be players who can get us promoted with a system that gets us promoted.

Right now our system of retaining possession and slow build up has not worked. Get a system that moves the ball more effectively from back to front ( not hoofball ) which stops teams getting men behind the ball.

We all listen to TV pundits and the like -the general consensus is stick with the Manager ( look at Newcastle )

A sensible post from a sensible username!:top marks

[JJP]

Think folk are ignoring that it seems Stubbs is not commited to staying at the club. Can't blame him TBH. Scotland is a bit of a ****ed up wee country where any ambition is ridiculed. I do hope he stays but I don't see that happening.

[Sensible]

Isn't that exactly how Rangers play? That's exactly the same complaint I see from Rangers fans regarding the Warburton strategy. They complain about it non stop and complain that Warburton has even outright stated that there is no plan B no matter what the opposition.

Would anyone argue that it hasn't worked out?




I would disagree ---- Are we comparing apples with apples???

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It is hard to agree that you think both teams have played the same system when the goals for column between the two teams differs by 29 goals!!!!

There is a difference in goals scored by some margin - you cannot accept that the both teams have played the same system unless you believe that there is a difference in the quality/type of player in both teams. If that is the case then as previously posted we need to sign players that can play to that system

Don't wish to be pedantic but from my point of view we did not move the ball quick enough from back to front during games, we allowed the opposition when they lost possession to get organised with players behind the ball, we play a narrow game and try to play thru the middle - we lack width - our midfield players never make runs beyond our front players. We were at our best early season when we played balls from the wide areas into the box and Cummings scored from these positions. Somehow as the season progressed and for whatever reason possession became the focus of our play, should Stubbs still be the manager next season he needs to learn the lessons from this season that goals and not possession wins games.

[JFK-1]

Think folk are ignoring that it seems Stubbs is not commited to staying at the club. Can't blame him TBH. Scotland is a bit of a ****ed up wee country where any ambition is ridiculed. I do hope he stays but I don't see that happening.

The type of negativity and virtually abuse around here regarding Stubbs will hardly help to keep him on board and even as a non Hibs fan I'm baffled as to what these people think would be a realistic replacement that would be any better. He has Hibs playing an entertaining brand of football that for the vast majority of the season was reaping dividends then for whatever the reasons may be it hit a wall at a crucial period and any chance of the winning the league was lost inside just a few weeks after a great season they were all enthusing over.

Then from praising him and fearing he may be lost to Celtic due to just one sticky patch the likes of which all teams go through he is suddenly useless and there has to be a magical superior replacement knocking at the door. It makes absolutely no sense.

[JJP]

The type of negativity and virtually abuse around here regarding Stubbs will hardly help to keep him on board and even as a non Hibs fan I'm baffled as to what these people think would be a realistic replacement that would be any better. He has Hibs playing an entertaining brand of football that for the vast majority of the season was reaping dividends then for whatever the reasons may be it hit a wall at a crucial period and any chance of the winning the league was lost inside just a few weeks after a great season they were all enthusing over.

Then from praising him and fearing he may be lost to Celtic due to just one sticky patch the likes of which all teams go through he is suddenly useless and there has to be a magical superior replacement knocking at the door. It makes absolutely no sense.

That's a section of the Hibs support mate. He's a victim of our past failures. I'm not saying he is perfect but we have had a lot worse in our dug out and he is hopefully still learning and improving.

[keep the faith]

The type of negativity and virtually abuse around here regarding Stubbs will hardly help to keep him on board and even as a non Hibs fan I'm baffled as to what these people think would be a realistic replacement that would be any better. He has Hibs playing an entertaining brand of football that for the vast majority of the season was reaping dividends then for whatever the reasons may be it hit a wall at a crucial period and any chance of the winning the league was lost inside just a few weeks after a great season they were all enthusing over.

Then from praising him and fearing he may be lost to Celtic due to just one sticky patch the likes of which all teams go through he is suddenly useless and there has to be a magical superior replacement knocking at the door. It makes absolutely no sense.

It's taking a rangers fan to point this out to the crazies on here.
Changing the manager would be madness and this obsession for changing managers has to stop.

[JFK-1]

It is hard to agree that you think both teams have played the same system when the goals for column between the two teams differs by 29 goals!!!!

There is a difference in goals scored by some margin - you cannot accept that the both teams have played the same system unless you believe that there is a difference in the quality/type of player in both teams. If that is the case then as previously posted we need to sign players that can play to that system

Don't wish to be pedantic but from my point of view we did not move the ball quick enough from back to front during games, we allowed the opposition when they lost possession to get organised with players behind the ball

Yes I think there was a difference in quality where it counts with my reference to Waghorn and Tavernier being an example of that. Are you aware that the section of your post I have emboldened could be drawn straight from a Rangers fans forum? They're saying exactly the same things you are but about Rangers not Hibs because it is indeed a very similar style at core and a very large number of that goals difference came from the first quarter alone when Rangers had a spectacular run.

Rangers scored 33 goals in the first 10 league matches of the season alone and if not for that spectacular run the total goals over the season would have been nothing like so impressive.

None the less it's obviously worked for Rangers and I think Hibs have to keep at it while if anything trying to find players more suitable to the system. What's the alternative? Just sit back like the opposition do packing out your box then trying to snatch a goal with a breakaway hoof up the park?

I doubt Hibs fans would be happy to sit and watch that after the entertainment served up this season while just narrowly and arguably very unluckily failing to get past the post.

[Tyler Durden]

Think folk are ignoring that it seems Stubbs is not commited to staying at the club. Can't blame him TBH. Scotland is a bit of a ****ed up wee country where any ambition is ridiculed. I do hope he stays but I don't see that happening.

What makes you suggest he is not committed? Just due to the way he answered a few media questions during a period of crucial games?

[JFK-1]

It's taking a rangers fan to point this out to the crazies on here.
Changing the manager would be madness and this obsession for changing managers has to stop.

Yes it's baffling isn't it. Tell me the last Hibs manager to get the team to two national cup finals in the same season? And who out there who would be available to come to Hibs could achieve that? Do they have any idea how much extra cash those two cup runs raked in?

Promotion was missed by a relative whisker and some shocking luck in the end up. I have no idea what anyone thinks would be any better trying to start all over again with a new manager at this stage. As far as I can see from the outside looking in it would be like starting from scratch and you're not going to get out of that league next season starting from scratch.

[JJP]

What makes you suggest he is not committed? Just due to the way he answered a few media questions during a period of crucial games?

Just think if he wanted to stay he would have said so last night post match when asked.

[Pete]

Just think if he wanted to stay he would have said so last night post match when asked.

It wasn't what he wanted to discuss five minutes after the end of the match and I don't blame him.

[JJP]

It wasn't what he wanted to discuss five minutes after the end of the match and I don't blame him.

I don't get what would be controversial about him saying "I will be here next season as I want to get Hibs back to where they belong." Only reason I wouldn't comment as I would be uncomfortable saying "I want to leave and move on to another project" 5 minutes after a terrible defeat.

[Tyler Durden]

Just think if he wanted to stay he would have said so last night post match when asked.

He can't really win, what happens if he did that and then Hibs accept an approach from Blackburn for example? People would slate him for going back on his word etc

He's under contract and that's good enough for me. Having sobered up after last night I'm now in the camp that we keep Stubbs and hope he learns a few lessons from this year

[JJP]

He can't really win, what happens if he did that and then Hibs accept an approach from Blackburn for example? People would slate him for going back on his word etc

He's under contract and that's good enough for me. Having sobered up after last night I'm now in the camp that we keep Stubbs and hope he learns a few lessons from this year

You haven't read my posts properly then as I am in the same camp but just not convinced he wants to stay.

[Tyler Durden]

You haven't read my posts properly then as I am in the same camp but just not convinced he wants to stay.

You may well be correct, I'd imagine we'll know within a few weeks

[Pete]

I don't get what would be controversial about him saying "I will be here next season as I want to get Hibs back to where they belong." Only reason I wouldn't comment as I would be uncomfortable saying "I want to leave and move on to another project" 5 minutes after a terrible defeat.

If he said the first of the two answers he'd probably be accused of having no shame, no honour, hanging onto his contract, you know the rest. Well on social media anyway.

Like others said he couldn't win but in one interview he said he wasn't going to discuss it (BT) while in another one a few minutes later he said he had a year left and that's it, end of discussion (BBC). Maybe a slight clue that he is indeed going to stick around.

[Sensible]

It wasn't what he wanted to discuss five minutes after the end of the match and I don't blame him.


I agree, the question put to him on where his future lies was inappropriate given we had just lost out on our chance of promotion. Any answer other than the one he gave would have shown he was already thinking about his own position and not that of the club and fans. He has to show he still has a job to do and that he is committed to the club ---- at least to the end of next week.

Tomorrow starts the preparation for the cup final, all focus needs to be on winning this game - we do do not need any distractions on where Stubbs will be next season.

[killie-hibby]

Think folk are ignoring that it seems Stubbs is not commited to staying at the club. Can't blame him TBH. Scotland is a bit of a ****ed up wee country where any ambition is ridiculed. I do hope he stays but I don't see that happening.


Very unlikely he wants to stay at ER for years. His recent interviews suggest he will see out his contract,if so then that is a decent commitment to the club.
I would like him to stay.Get Hibs promoted at the third attempt,then leave if he wants to.

[JFK-1]

So putting all bias aside what are you guys thoughts on next seasons SPL? Is the one horse race over? There have been claims coming out of Pittodrie and Tynecastle that Rangers need to spend mega millions to compete in the league at all far less win it.


That I find very peculiar because the same Aberdeen contingent saying these things claim to be contenders themselves yet when do they ever spend "mega millions"?

[PISTOL1875]

You haven't read my posts properly then as I am in the same camp but just not convinced he wants to stay.

He doesn't want to stay.. He has told the club that he doesn't want to manage in the Championship next season and he will leave regardless of what happens next Saturday.. Leeann dempster had talks with Ray Mackinnon last Monday but nothing came from it...

[Smartie]

So putting all bias aside what are you guys thoughts on next seasons SPL? Is the one horse race over? There have been claims coming out of Pittodrie and Tynecastle that Rangers need to spend mega millions to compete in the league at all far less win it.


That I find very peculiar because the same Aberdeen contingent saying these things claim to be contenders themselves yet when do they ever spend "mega millions"?

Hard to say.

Celtic will probably raise their game with their old friends being back in the league. They won the league in spite of being pretty poor this season - they'll really need to buck up their ideas next season to win the league comfortably.

Aberdeen will never get a better chance than this season - I can't see them getting better and pushing anyone.

Rangers need to buck their ideas up defensively. Warburton did brilliantly this season, he understood his remit and built a team that started the season strongly, got a fear factor going and attacked and blew wee teams away in spite of having a really ropey defence. Next season will provide a very different challenge and as long as you have a defence containing Danny Wilson you have no chance of winning the SPFL.

Reality will bite for our jambo chums next year. Levein will get one step closer to his dream of fielding a team of 7-foot + tall death robots by signing the biggest players he possibly can but having to put money aside for their new stand will impact on their player budget and they'll be lucky to float into a safe 4th place or so.

The rest are pish. It wouldn't surprise me to see Falkirk go up and finish top half but in reality there is more than half a league worth of makeweights who are no better than at least half of the Championship. Anyone could be relegated but most teams would still probably beat us in a play-off, therefore the easiest way for us to go up is to win the league.

[Pete]

So putting all bias aside what are you guys thoughts on next seasons SPL? Is the one horse race over? There have been claims coming out of Pittodrie and Tynecastle that Rangers need to spend mega millions to compete in the league at all far less win it.


That I find very peculiar because the same Aberdeen contingent saying these things claim to be contenders themselves yet when do they ever spend "mega millions"?

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but I couldn't care less about the top flight.

A one horse race and a two horse race are the same things as far as I'm concerned. A bloated Glasgow club will win it.

[JFK-1]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but I couldn't care less about the top flight.

A one horse race and a two horse race are the same things as far as I'm concerned. A bloated Glasgow club will win it.

Well I agree in the respect that it isn't a competitive league but I can't see any way around that aside from maybe some other teams amalgamating and I would guess you know a couple I would include in that but as things stand that's a non starter isn't it.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Well I agree in the respect that it isn't a competitive league but I can't see any way around that aside from maybe some other teams amalgamating and I would guess you know a couple I would include in that but as things stand that's a non starter isn't it.

I still don't really see that argument around amalgamation. A greater concentration of players in fewer teams rather than diluted through others? Still the increased revenues would be fairly limited as capacity would be fixed at 20k at the most for either team. Sponsorship more concentrated perhaps we can't say. Who'd support and Edinburgh/Dundee select?

If we're saying that the real defining factor is dosh then The Gers and Celtc will run away will always come out on top.

People will say that Leicester has shown there is another alternative to splashing the cash - I always thought that JC was right to focus on fitness.

I think it's a cop out - instead of more competition I think there would be less. Teams need to up their game and all take a piece out of the title challengers instead of being whittled down. That's the way forward not culling clubs for whom there would be no return - and what a waste that would be if clubs were culled and the duopoly (in its revised form) remained - criminal.

[JFK-1]

If we're saying that the real defining factor is dosh then The Gers and Celtc will run away will always come out on top.

People will say that Leicester has shown there is another alternative to splashing the cash - I always thought that JC was right to focus on fitness.

All things being equal money is the major factor if we take a look around various leagues. The richest have dominated in England for decades as they have elsewhere such as in Spain with Barcelona and Real as an even more classic example.

I loved seeing Leicester break the monopoly in England but I think even their most fervent fans know that's a flash in the pan and highly unlikely to ever happen again anytime soon. Though in saying that right now you can get 33/1 on them repeating it next season. Nothing like as impressive as the 5,000/1 on offer at that start of this season but still a tidy bet.

And I now sometimes wonder if the ocean of money swilling around in the top league in England has reached a point where a competent team building manager could step in and given the 100 million those teams collect at the start of the campaign might construct a highly effective team in a single close season.

And having said all that it's still not always so clear cut is it. I think in total Rangers had spent maybe around 750K on the players who took to the pitch in the Scottish cup semi. Not a patch on the multi millions spent on single players in the Celtic team yet particularly in that first 45 minutes they handed out a footballing lesson as they played the multi million team off the park.

I can understand the animosity and frustration of other Scottish teams regarding the old firm dominance but as I said I see no way around it outside some amalgamation. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that an amalgamated team may not just take the support of the two original parties but start to bleed off local old firm supporters and begin approaching a parity along the way as a new generation turned to the new local giant rather than the old firm.

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was from Hamilton and though I was always a Rangers supporter and only ever watched Hamilton Accies occasionally so not so emotionally attached to Accies as the die hards are I always felt as if an amalgamation with the Lanarkshire sides like Motherwell, Airdrie etc was the way to go for them.

Lanarkshire has a comfortably greater total population than any Scottish city including Glasgow and as for a united Edinburgh team the current averages of Hearts and Hibs combined is around 26K and you have to think that given a few years to get over the culture shock and adapt to the larger crowds and increased budgets they could indeed increase that to approach old firm levels by appealing to new generations and others who may have turned to the old firm giants otherwise.

Speculative maybe but there is no way it will ever change with the current setup.

[Sir David Gray]

All things being equal money is the major factor if we take a look around various leagues. The richest have dominated in England for decades as they have elsewhere such as in Spain with Barcelona and Real as an even more classic example.

I loved seeing Leicester break the monopoly in England but I think even their most fervent fans know that's a flash in the pan and highly unlikely to ever happen again anytime soon. Though in saying that right now you can get 33/1 on them repeating it next season. Nothing like as impressive as the 5,000/1 on offer at that start of this season but still a tidy bet.

And I now sometimes wonder if the ocean of money swilling around in the top league in England has reached a point where a competent team building manager could step in and given the 100 million those teams collect at the start of the campaign might construct a highly effective team in a single close season.

And having said all that it's still not always so clear cut is it. I think in total Rangers had spent maybe around 750K on the players who took to the pitch in the Scottish cup semi. Not a patch on the multi millions spent on single players in the Celtic team yet particularly in that first 45 minutes they handed out a footballing lesson as they played the multi million team off the park.

I can understand the animosity and frustration of other Scottish teams regarding the old firm dominance but as I said I see no way around it outside some amalgamation. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that an amalgamated team may not just take the support of the two original parties but start to bleed off local old firm supporters and begin approaching a parity along the way as a new generation turned to the new local giant rather than the old firm.

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was from Hamilton and though I was always a Rangers supporter and only ever watched Hamilton Accies occasionally so not so emotionally attached to Accies as the die hards are I always felt as if an amalgamation with the Lanarkshire sides like Motherwell, Airdrie etc was the way to go for them.

Lanarkshire has a comfortably greater total population than any Scottish city including Glasgow and as for a united Edinburgh team the current averages of Hearts and Hibs combined is around 26K and you have to think that given a few years to get over the culture shock and adapt to the larger crowds and increased budgets they could indeed increase that to approach old firm levels by appealing to new generations and others who may have turned to the old firm giants otherwise.

Speculative maybe but there is no way it will ever change with the current setup.

That will happen over my dead body.

[rcarter1]

All things being equal money is the major factor if we take a look around various leagues. The richest have dominated in England for decades as they have elsewhere such as in Spain with Barcelona and Real as an even more classic example.

I loved seeing Leicester break the monopoly in England but I think even their most fervent fans know that's a flash in the pan and highly unlikely to ever happen again anytime soon. Though in saying that right now you can get 33/1 on them repeating it next season. Nothing like as impressive as the 5,000/1 on offer at that start of this season but still a tidy bet.

And I now sometimes wonder if the ocean of money swilling around in the top league in England has reached a point where a competent team building manager could step in and given the 100 million those teams collect at the start of the campaign might construct a highly effective team in a single close season.

And having said all that it's still not always so clear cut is it. I think in total Rangers had spent maybe around 750K on the players who took to the pitch in the Scottish cup semi. Not a patch on the multi millions spent on single players in the Celtic team yet particularly in that first 45 minutes they handed out a footballing lesson as they played the multi million team off the park.

I can understand the animosity and frustration of other Scottish teams regarding the old firm dominance but as I said I see no way around it outside some amalgamation. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that an amalgamated team may not just take the support of the two original parties but start to bleed off local old firm supporters and begin approaching a parity along the way as a new generation turned to the new local giant rather than the old firm.

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was from Hamilton and though I was always a Rangers supporter and only ever watched Hamilton Accies occasionally so not so emotionally attached to Accies as the die hards are I always felt as if an amalgamation with the Lanarkshire sides like Motherwell, Airdrie etc was the way to go for them.

Lanarkshire has a comfortably greater total population than any Scottish city including Glasgow and as for a united Edinburgh team the current averages of Hearts and Hibs combined is around 26K and you have to think that given a few years to get over the culture shock and adapt to the larger crowds and increased budgets they could indeed increase that to approach old firm levels by appealing to new generations and others who may have turned to the old firm giants otherwise.

Speculative maybe but there is no way it will ever change with the current setup.

Ill bite! Consider if Celtic and Rangers merge, they would have a shot at the Champions League perhaps? As you no doubt identify with, people follow football as part of an identity. ICT have done very well since the merger, but not really because of crowds, which remain pretty low. Maybe due to concentrating local talent, Im not sure. A lot of the obvious mergers are pretty doomed. Certainly Hibs + Hearts would equal 26K (more like 13K). Mercer had it about right in terms of strategy: kill off your rivals and slowly pick up their support in the (far) future. Happily he failed.

I don't think Scottish football is so important a concept that we should push thousands away from the game, so that in a generation down the line, a club emerges that can compete with Celtic and Rangers. Frankly, what would it prove, and whom would it benefit?

Time will tell how things go over the next decade in Scotland. I agree with you about Leicester. The baseline cash available for just being in the Premiership means that any team can bring together a high quality squad, and even if you don't have access to the 'top fashionable players', these players come at such an extra cost, that when they don't produce the goods, the big clubs end up without value for money.

End of season drama is great though, I remember when Rangers had to be Aberdeen by 2 goals to take the title in the early nineties, it was exciting, and Aberdeen almost made it exciting again this year. Eventually Hibs will no doubt be back to join in the fun, will be interesting to see how it looks when we do..

[Viva_Palmeiras]

All things being equal money is the major factor if we take a look around various leagues. The richest have dominated in England for decades as they have elsewhere such as in Spain with Barcelona and Real as an even more classic example.

I loved seeing Leicester break the monopoly in England but I think even their most fervent fans know that's a flash in the pan and highly unlikely to ever happen again anytime soon. Though in saying that right now you can get 33/1 on them repeating it next season. Nothing like as impressive as the 5,000/1 on offer at that start of this season but still a tidy bet.

And I now sometimes wonder if the ocean of money swilling around in the top league in England has reached a point where a competent team building manager could step in and given the 100 million those teams collect at the start of the campaign might construct a highly effective team in a single close season.

And having said all that it's still not always so clear cut is it. I think in total Rangers had spent maybe around 750K on the players who took to the pitch in the Scottish cup semi. Not a patch on the multi millions spent on single players in the Celtic team yet particularly in that first 45 minutes they handed out a footballing lesson as they played the multi million team off the park.

I can understand the animosity and frustration of other Scottish teams regarding the old firm dominance but as I said I see no way around it outside some amalgamation. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that an amalgamated team may not just take the support of the two original parties but start to bleed off local old firm supporters and begin approaching a parity along the way as a new generation turned to the new local giant rather than the old firm.

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was from Hamilton and though I was always a Rangers supporter and only ever watched Hamilton Accies occasionally so not so emotionally attached to Accies as the die hards are I always felt as if an amalgamation with the Lanarkshire sides like Motherwell, Airdrie etc was the way to go for them.

Lanarkshire has a comfortably greater total population than any Scottish city including Glasgow and as for a united Edinburgh team the current averages of Hearts and Hibs combined is around 26K and you have to think that given a few years to get over the culture shock and adapt to the larger crowds and increased budgets they could indeed increase that to approach old firm levels by appealing to new generations and others who may have turned to the old firm giants otherwise.

Speculative maybe but there is no way it will ever change with the current setup.

So when all other things are equal The Gers or Celtc splash the cash - it will probably always be thus (except if the reserves run dry through court appearances ;) that or buy your rivals players and bench them - alls fair in love and war.

I think we can agree that this scenario is unlikely to end as the strategy has served well in the past. So are the also rans supposed to go toe-to-toe as far as they can financially? It's a nonsense. If Hibs (as some would have liked to at least break the bank to keep some players) had gone toe-to-toe with the maddie that is Vlad we'd have gone down with them. It's why McCann took a different tack (and the stick!) that was ultimately proved right. It didn't win titles but it built the foundations on which Celtc today must be grateful. No for me amalgamation and dosh in themselves is not the answer. Look what Hearts did to buy things on money they never had (imagine that had been legit - same result).

The real game changer could be a revamp prompted IMO by Sky along the lines of a British Cup/league. But that it most likely pie in the SKY (or BT)

[JFK-1]

Ill bite! Consider if Celtic and Rangers merge, they would have a shot at the Champions League perhaps? As you no doubt identify with, people follow football as part of an identity.

We're talking about domestic Scottish football rather than any assault on the Champions league and as it stands neither Rangers or Celtic have any need to merge to dominate Scottish football. And obviously I fully understand there is a significant identity element to it which if any such thing were ever to happen would result in a lot of anguish but that would fade in time and I strongly doubt that any amalgamated entity would immediately be any less competitive with the big two than they are right now.

I can envisage nothing but being stronger even at the initial stage and gradually becoming even stronger as more people and succeeding generations with no ties to the original parties take an interest in this new giant and local old firm fans are bled off which has the dual effect of reducing old firm fan bases as the new entity increases it's fan base pushing the matching of it closer all the quicker.

In such a scenario the overall game in Scotland at the top level could only become more competitive which in the long run would make it a more attractive proposition for TV. Right now the only thing that really interests them is the old firm and like it or not if say the old firm were to bail out into one of these Euro league setups that are constantly being suggested then Scottish football at the top level would instantly be more competitive but also instantly as inconsequential as Irish football.

[CallumHibs07]

All things being equal money is the major factor if we take a look around various leagues. The richest have dominated in England for decades as they have elsewhere such as in Spain with Barcelona and Real as an even more classic example.

I loved seeing Leicester break the monopoly in England but I think even their most fervent fans know that's a flash in the pan and highly unlikely to ever happen again anytime soon. Though in saying that right now you can get 33/1 on them repeating it next season. Nothing like as impressive as the 5,000/1 on offer at that start of this season but still a tidy bet.

And I now sometimes wonder if the ocean of money swilling around in the top league in England has reached a point where a competent team building manager could step in and given the 100 million those teams collect at the start of the campaign might construct a highly effective team in a single close season.

And having said all that it's still not always so clear cut is it. I think in total Rangers had spent maybe around 750K on the players who took to the pitch in the Scottish cup semi. Not a patch on the multi millions spent on single players in the Celtic team yet particularly in that first 45 minutes they handed out a footballing lesson as they played the multi million team off the park.

I can understand the animosity and frustration of other Scottish teams regarding the old firm dominance but as I said I see no way around it outside some amalgamation. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that an amalgamated team may not just take the support of the two original parties but start to bleed off local old firm supporters and begin approaching a parity along the way as a new generation turned to the new local giant rather than the old firm.

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was from Hamilton and though I was always a Rangers supporter and only ever watched Hamilton Accies occasionally so not so emotionally attached to Accies as the die hards are I always felt as if an amalgamation with the Lanarkshire sides like Motherwell, Airdrie etc was the way to go for them.

Lanarkshire has a comfortably greater total population than any Scottish city including Glasgow and as for a united Edinburgh team the current averages of Hearts and Hibs combined is around 26K and you have to think that given a few years to get over the culture shock and adapt to the larger crowds and increased budgets they could indeed increase that to approach old firm levels by appealing to new generations and others who may have turned to the old firm giants otherwise.

Speculative maybe but there is no way it will ever change with the current setup.

A united Edinburgh team? Away ye go. Silly *** :bye:

[JFK-1]

A united Edinburgh team? Away ye go. Silly *** :bye:

I understand how you feel about such a concept and the chances are if I were you I would feel the same. Do you think that your view of such a concept may change if others and let's use the Lanarkshire united idea as an example were to go down that path and began to compete with the old firm while you were pushed further down the current pecking order?

[Sir David Gray]

I understand how you feel about such a concept and the chances are if I were you I would feel the same. Do you think that your view of such a concept may change if others and let's use the Lanarkshire united idea as an example were to go down that path and began to compete with the old firm while you were pushed further down the current pecking order?

Not a chance.

I would rather support Hibs in the East of Scotland second division in front of 35 fans, than support a united Edinburgh team that was challenging for the Scottish Premiership title.

It would mean absolutely nothing to me.

[portycabbage]

All things being equal money is the major factor if we take a look around various leagues. The richest have dominated in England for decades as they have elsewhere such as in Spain with Barcelona and Real as an even more classic example.

I loved seeing Leicester break the monopoly in England but I think even their most fervent fans know that's a flash in the pan and highly unlikely to ever happen again anytime soon. Though in saying that right now you can get 33/1 on them repeating it next season. Nothing like as impressive as the 5,000/1 on offer at that start of this season but still a tidy bet.

And I now sometimes wonder if the ocean of money swilling around in the top league in England has reached a point where a competent team building manager could step in and given the 100 million those teams collect at the start of the campaign might construct a highly effective team in a single close season.

And having said all that it's still not always so clear cut is it. I think in total Rangers had spent maybe around 750K on the players who took to the pitch in the Scottish cup semi. Not a patch on the multi millions spent on single players in the Celtic team yet particularly in that first 45 minutes they handed out a footballing lesson as they played the multi million team off the park.

I can understand the animosity and frustration of other Scottish teams regarding the old firm dominance but as I said I see no way around it outside some amalgamation. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that an amalgamated team may not just take the support of the two original parties but start to bleed off local old firm supporters and begin approaching a parity along the way as a new generation turned to the new local giant rather than the old firm.

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was from Hamilton and though I was always a Rangers supporter and only ever watched Hamilton Accies occasionally so not so emotionally attached to Accies as the die hards are I always felt as if an amalgamation with the Lanarkshire sides like Motherwell, Airdrie etc was the way to go for them.

Lanarkshire has a comfortably greater total population than any Scottish city including Glasgow and as for a united Edinburgh team the current averages of Hearts and Hibs combined is around 26K and you have to think that given a few years to get over the culture shock and adapt to the larger crowds and increased budgets they could indeed increase that to approach old firm levels by appealing to new generations and others who may have turned to the old firm giants otherwise.

Speculative maybe but there is no way it will ever change with the current setup.

If Celtic and Rangers merged, would you be happy with that for a chance of getting to the latter stages of European competition? Would Glasgow FC suddenly - or even in the long term - have 100,000 or more season ticket holders? No of course not. That it is why that plan is a nonsense - it simply would not work as you think it would. Same goes for Hibs and Hearts. Even it if did work, I would not be interested in watching that team.

While I appreciate your thoughts on our season, I don't agree we've been unlucky, as the problems with slow build-up play, lack of width, and a number 9 to win the ball or bring others into play (El Alagui has been injured since August 2014!) have been evident for a long time. I don't want us to be a long ball team, but we quite often play that ball anyway when the slow passing gets closed down, and nobody is winning those balls all season for us.

We haven't scored enough goals for the two seasons under Stubbs, and we were having to win games largely by the odd goal. I'm not sure I want him gone particularly, but he needs to have the ability to get us playing with tempo and have width and physical presence up front to supplement that.

[darwenhibby]

I understand how you feel about such a concept and the chances are if I were you I would feel the same. Do you think that your view of such a concept may change if others and let's use the Lanarkshire united idea as an example were to go down that path and began to compete with the old firm while you were pushed further down the current pecking order?
And where would this Lanarkshire United play?
They can't get off their backsides to watch their teams when they play in their own towns never mind an out of town park

[Carheenlea]

An amalgamated Hibs and Hearts wouldn't fill Ainsley Park. I don`t really class myself as a big football fan - love Hibs, ST holder and regular away traveller, but Hibs are all I care about and my sport is golf.
Wouldn't even look up amalgamated sides results, and tens of thousands of Hibs and Hearts fans would be similar.

[monktonharp]

We just fell short. We just fell short to get relegated. We just fell short in the cup semi last year. We just fell short in the play-offs last year. We just fell short in the league cup final. We just fell short in the play-offs this year. How short are we going to fall next week?you seem to hold up the wrong scarf in yer avatar. you saying we did not have any bad luck at all? we did have the most blatant penalty denial, ever seen in the football world, all in full view to anyone at the game or watching on tv. was that not a fact? or did some of us imagine it?

[Eyrie]

We're talking about domestic Scottish football rather than any assault on the Champions league and as it stands neither Rangers or Celtic have any need to merge to dominate Scottish football. And obviously I fully understand there is a significant identity element to it which if any such thing were ever to happen would result in a lot of anguish but that would fade in time and I strongly doubt that any amalgamated entity would immediately be any less competitive with the big two than they are right now.

I can envisage nothing but being stronger even at the initial stage and gradually becoming even stronger as more people and succeeding generations with no ties to the original parties take an interest in this new giant and local old firm fans are bled off which has the dual effect of reducing old firm fan bases as the new entity increases it's fan base pushing the matching of it closer all the quicker.

In such a scenario the overall game in Scotland at the top level could only become more competitive which in the long run would make it a more attractive proposition for TV. Right now the only thing that really interests them is the old firm and like it or not if say the old firm were to bail out into one of these Euro league setups that are constantly being suggested then Scottish football at the top level would instantly be more competitive but also instantly as inconsequential as Irish football.
How would your suggestion make Scottish football more competitive? You'd be left with two clubs in Glasgow, one each in Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee, and one each in Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire and Ayrshire. That makes an eight club league, because the likes of Inverness and Perth would be too small for your model. Edinburgh is comparable in size to Glasgow and there is no reason why it shouldn't have two top flight clubs.

The problem is the out of town glory hunters and stone age bigots who attach themselves to the Ugly Sisters, rather than support their local teams. That is how a successful team (or two) can be created in Lanarkshire or wherever.

[monktonharp]

[QUOTE=rcarter1;4687739]Others have pointed out that we have won it before, but I suppose it will be the first time anyone alive have seen it won so..

QUOTE]you are correct , I think about anyone alive, unless there is some auld wummin, living in Peru or Ktmando or something, that remembers us winning in 1902. (she must be a guid age noo) but do remember.....Buffalo Bill was in Edinburgh when we last won. Also Wyatt Earp could have been at the match. he died in 1927. all these events come in cycles. f/ck knows when the next cycle will be. hope it's on Saturday:thumbsup:

[monktonharp]

I would disagree ---- Are we comparing apples with apples???

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It is hard to agree that you think both teams have played the same system when the goals for column between the two teams differs by 29 goals!!!!

There is a difference in goals scored by some margin - you cannot accept that the both teams have played the same system unless you believe that there is a difference in the quality/type of player in both teams. If that is the case then as previously posted we need to sign players that can play to that system

Don't wish to be pedantic but from my point of view we did not move the ball quick enough from back to front during games, we allowed the opposition when they lost possession to get organised with players behind the ball, we play a narrow game and try to play thru the middle - we lack width - our midfield players never make runs beyond our front players. We were at our best early season when we played balls from the wide areas into the box and Cummings scored from these positions. Somehow as the season progressed and for whatever reason possession became the focus of our play, should Stubbs still be the manager next season he needs to learn the lessons from this season that goals and not possession wins games. all very good. but, does it not suggest , and exactly what I've thought.... that Falkirk were a team that actually did not go out looking to win, rather not to lose? we won more than them. they drew much more than us. non-football won the day

[CallumHibs07]

I understand how you feel about such a concept and the chances are if I were you I would feel the same. Do you think that your view of such a concept may change if others and let's use the Lanarkshire united idea as an example were to go down that path and began to compete with the old firm while you were pushed further down the current pecking order?

An 'Edinburgh United' would not be Hibs, therefore I would not follow them. The OF aren't that important that I'd change my club in order to see them challenged. Personally I couldn't give a toss if they continue to win the league every year.

[monktonharp]

I understand how you feel about such a concept and the chances are if I were you I would feel the same. Do you think that your view of such a concept may change if others and let's use the Lanarkshire united idea as an example were to go down that path and began to compete with the old firm while you were pushed further down the current pecking order?you are not me, and I am definitely not you.If you are trying to be serious about an Edinburgh united, as we say aroond here..... bolt.

[givescotlandfreedom]

And where would this Lanarkshire United play?
They can't get off their backsides to watch their teams when they play in their own towns never mind an out of town park

That's the thing. The concept coming from someone who doesn't bother his arse to support his own home town team. A glory hunter, a bigot or both.

[JC94]

That's the thing. The concept coming from someone who doesn't bother his arse to support his own home town team. A glory hunter, a bigot or both.

Don't talk rubbish, just because someone doesn't support their home team it doesnt make them a glory hunter or bigot.

[Pete]

Don't talk rubbish, just because someone doesn't support their home team it doesnt make them a glory hunter or bigot.

It depends who they choose to support instead of their local team.

[polarbear]

Don't rate the Huns at all. I still can't believe they got past Celtic. Incredible run of luck for them.
It'll have to end sooner or later and our luck will change.
Great opportunity if Stubbs can get the players up for it.

[ShinyFantastic]

you seem to hold up the wrong scarf in yer avatar. you saying we did not have any bad luck at all? we did have the most blatant penalty denial, ever seen in the football world, all in full view to anyone at the game or watching on tv. was that not a fact? or did some of us imagine it?

So you're putting all those failures down to bad luck? And you can't see that's Alex McLeish in my avatar?

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Yes I'm a Rangers fan and though as you are probably all well aware there is a contingent among the Rangers support who would enjoy the result of last nights play off I'm not among them. I can look beyond club rivalries to the overall state of Scottish football which is indisputably even poorer without Hibs in the top league.


Hibs are one of the countries top clubs and it does our game absolutely no good whatsoever to have this situation. I wanted and expected Hibs to prevail last night but it wean't to be.


I watched last nights match and the first leg too and over the piece Hibs were far and away the better team and over the season Hibs have been a very good team. Are you all forgetting already that this is a team who beat two of the top 3 in the SPL in the league cup before hitting an untimely slump?


As for what will come next I really don't know but I truly wish you luck in the league and hope this is the last season Hibs will spend outside the top tier.


And as for the cup final well I can't wish you luck in that in fact the opposite but I'm sure you can all respect that. :wink:

This must be a wind up. Coherent, respectful, gracious in victory... Not traits and associate with your average Hun. :wink:

Joking aside, appreciate the post. Yous were the best team in the league this year and deserved to win it. Agree we had enough to beat Falkirk but ultimately we didn't do enough and need to be more ruthless.

Based on past experience, it's difficult to fancy our chances on Saturday, although I do think this final is more winnable than the last 2. On our day we're capable of beating yous as well, although we rarely have our day at Hampden.

[erin go bragh]

Mmmmm , you were doing ok JFK and then you go and fuuuuck it up with your Edinburgh United pisss .
Hell would freeze over before that happened .

GGTTH

[jgl07]

Hibs' main problem this season was getting involved in two cup runs when running for promotion.

The League Cup run didn't appear to cause too many problems before Christmas but once the Scottish Cup run started (with two replayed games) the league form started to deteriorate. Hibs had pulled back Rangers' lead and were still in contention for first place. The form deteriorated and in the end cost Hibs second place on goal difference. Had Hibs taken second there would have big psychological advantage over Falkirk.

In the end Hibs will have played 54 competitive matches this season.

[KeithTheHibby]

I understand how you feel about such a concept and the chances are if I were you I would feel the same. Do you think that your view of such a concept may change if others and let's use the Lanarkshire united idea as an example were to go down that path and began to compete with the old firm while you were pushed further down the current pecking order?

Not a chance. If we merged with Hearts we wouldn't be Hibs anymore therefore my support would stop.

[bigwheel]

All things being equal money is the major factor if we take a look around various leagues. The richest have dominated in England for decades as they have elsewhere such as in Spain with Barcelona and Real as an even more classic example.

I loved seeing Leicester break the monopoly in England but I think even their most fervent fans know that's a flash in the pan and highly unlikely to ever happen again anytime soon. Though in saying that right now you can get 33/1 on them repeating it next season. Nothing like as impressive as the 5,000/1 on offer at that start of this season but still a tidy bet.

And I now sometimes wonder if the ocean of money swilling around in the top league in England has reached a point where a competent team building manager could step in and given the 100 million those teams collect at the start of the campaign might construct a highly effective team in a single close season.

And having said all that it's still not always so clear cut is it. I think in total Rangers had spent maybe around 750K on the players who took to the pitch in the Scottish cup semi. Not a patch on the multi millions spent on single players in the Celtic team yet particularly in that first 45 minutes they handed out a footballing lesson as they played the multi million team off the park.

I can understand the animosity and frustration of other Scottish teams regarding the old firm dominance but as I said I see no way around it outside some amalgamation. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that an amalgamated team may not just take the support of the two original parties but start to bleed off local old firm supporters and begin approaching a parity along the way as a new generation turned to the new local giant rather than the old firm.

I have been living in the US for the past 4 years but prior to that I was from Hamilton and though I was always a Rangers supporter and only ever watched Hamilton Accies occasionally so not so emotionally attached to Accies as the die hards are I always felt as if an amalgamation with the Lanarkshire sides like Motherwell, Airdrie etc was the way to go for them.

Lanarkshire has a comfortably greater total population than any Scottish city including Glasgow and as for a united Edinburgh team the current averages of Hearts and Hibs combined is around 26K and you have to think that given a few years to get over the culture shock and adapt to the larger crowds and increased budgets they could indeed increase that to approach old firm levels by appealing to new generations and others who may have turned to the old firm giants otherwise.

Speculative maybe but there is no way it will ever change with the current setup.

You're premise that a combined Edinburgh club would do better than Hibs and Hearts completely misses the points people care most about. It is the 100+ year heritage and role in their communities that make people care about their teams...not some franchised version that may win more games. Why not combine Rangers and Celtic and see if they can do better in Europe against the really big clubs? That is equivalent to what your idea is to us...it's is the worst of all football thinking -give away the soul of your club, and hope that the new "entity" wins more games..no thank you, never. I'd rather watch Hibs in a local amateur league than have any part in that.

[JFK-1]

You're premise that a combined Edinburgh club would do better than Hibs and Hearts completely misses the points people care most about. It is the 100+ year heritage and role in their communities that make people care about their teams...not some franchised version that may win more games. Why not combine Rangers and Celtic and see if they can do better in Europe against the really big clubs? That is equivalent to what your idea is to us...it's is the worst of all football thinking -give away the soul of your club, and hope that the new "entity" wins more games..no thank you, never. I'd rather watch Hibs in a local amateur league than have any part in that.

It's not a thing i'm actually saying you should do it's simply rehashing something that has been mulled over for decades around the country and of course I understand the emotional attachments. And it's about Scottish football not Europe because even if all teams in the SPL combined they still couldn't compete with the EPL because it's TV that's the difference between them and us not attendances or overall support. If that's what it came down to the old firm would already be eclipsing most in England.

And as for my own thoughts on it I have never actually given much thought to it outside an idea that was raised some years ago for the Lanarkshire clubs to amalgamate and possibly even surpass the old firm since Lanarkshire has a considerably larger population than either Glasgow or Edinburgh.

I would guess that an even more pertinent issue is that we like to think of ourselves as a fanatical footballing nation yet our kids don't even play the game in anything like the numbers they once did when we had a conveyor belt of world class running.

I grew up in the 60's and 70's when virtually all boys played the game from morning to night on weekends and during holidays and all of us knew someone who had gone on to play professionally while I myself was at school with Jim Bett.

Nowadays they're on a play-station from morning to night given the chance and that's when our conveyor belt came to a grinding halt as these games gradually became ubiquitous in our homes.

[monktonharp]

It's not a thing i'm actually saying you should do it's simply rehashing something that has been mulled over for decades around the country and of course I understand the emotional attachments. And it's about Scottish football not Europe because even if all teams in the SPL combined they still couldn't compete with the EPL because it's TV that's the difference between them and us not attendances or overall support. If that's what it came down to the old firm would already be eclipsing most in England.

And as for my own thoughts on it I have never actually given much thought to it outside an idea that was raised some years ago for the Lanarkshire clubs to amalgamate and possibly even surpass the old firm since Lanarkshire has a considerably larger population than either Glasgow or Edinburgh.

I would guess that an even more pertinent issue is that we like to think of ourselves as a fanatical footballing nation yet our kids don't even play the game in anything like the numbers they once did when we had a conveyor belt of world class running.

I grew up in the 60's and 70's when virtually all boys played the game from morning to night on weekends and during holidays and all of us knew someone who had gone on to play professionally while I myself was at school with Jim Bett.

Nowadays they're on a play-station from morning to night given the chance and that's when our conveyor belt came to a grinding halt as these games gradually became ubiquitous in our homes.I agree wholeheartedly with all of your sentiments regarding kids playing playstation/xflippin box or whatever it is. the one point I totally disagree with is your amalgamation theory. Hibernian will never do that. the fans would burn it down first. Mercer was decades ago, and still remembered. some club managers have had bullets in an envelope quite recently. Mercer had an envelope with supposed Anthrax in it. If it had been, he'd have been gone there and then. Thankfully it was a hoax, but nevertheless it showed the deep anger of the moment. your club has not had that, ours has and it wont ever happen again. we wont amalgamate, ever.

[JFK-1]

I agree wholeheartedly with all of your sentiments regarding kids playing playstation/xflippin box or whatever it is. the one point I totally disagree with is your amalgamation theory. Hibernian will never do that. the fans would burn it down first. Mercer was decades ago, and still remembered. some club managers have had bullets in an envelope quite recently. Mercer had an envelope with supposed Anthrax in it. If it had been, he'd have been gone there and then. Thankfully it was a hoax, but nevertheless it showed the deep anger of the moment. your club has not had that, ours has and it wont ever happen again. we wont amalgamate, ever.

Amalgamations wouldn't even be a consideration at all if we had the same level of talent coming through we did in the 60's and 70's because all of our teams would be sprinkled with top class home grown talent. We didn't suddenly become bad players, our kids simply stopped playing. How to address that is an issue. How many families out there could have had a millionaire footballer son to brag about instead of some little pug playing playstation all day?

[monktonharp]

Amalgamations wouldn't even be a consideration at all if we had the same level of talent coming through we did in the 60's and 70's because all of our teams would be sprinkled with top class home grown talent. We didn't suddenly become bad players, our kids simply stopped playing. How to address that is an issue. How many families out there could have had a millionaire footballer son to brag about instead of some little pug playing playstation all day?there are still Laddies playing fitba' in my street, every day. kerby, keepy uppy etc and when I walk up to the wee shop they challenge me and often nutmeg meor bang it aff the fence and retrieve it the other side. thankfully they call out Mcginn gets the ball or Henderson nutmegs him again etc. big problem being that there are far too many cars about, even in the schemes and the wee yins have to stop doin their stuff continually. the modern day parents tend to pull them in,shove them in front of tv, for safety? and cant be ersed taking them to football matches or joining boys teams. It has become far too easy to turn away from what comes natural, when you have a football.

[JFK-1]

there are still Laddies playing fitba' in my street, every day. kerby, keepy uppy etc and when I walk up to the wee shop they challenge me and often nutmeg meor bang it aff the fence and retrieve it the other side. thankfully they call out Mcginn gets the ball or Henderson nutmegs him again etc. big problem being that there are far too many cars about, even in the schemes and the wee yins have to stop doin their stuff continually. the modern day parents tend to pull them in,shove them in front of tv, for safety? and cant be ersed taking them to football matches or joining boys teams. It has become far too easy to turn away from what comes natural, when you have a football.

I would imagine that's an exception not the rule and if you were to ask the majority of young boys in Scotland if they had played kerby they wouldn't even know what that is. The cars is a fair point. When I was growing up in Hamilton in the 60's I lived in a crescent comprising maybe 100 or so houses and there were maybe 2 or 3 cars in that entire crescent one of which belonged to my dad and he and the other car owners were out at work a lot of the time leaving an empty street to kick a ball around in.

[JC94]

It depends who they choose to support instead of their local team.

So if they were born in lets say Edinburgh and support Rangers/Celtic than they are bigots or glory hunters. I wasn't born in Edinburgh yet i support Hibs, am i a glory hunter?

[Pete]

So if they were born in lets say Edinburgh and support Rangers/Celtic than they are bigots or glory hunters. I wasn't born in Edinburgh yet i support Hibs, am i a glory hunter?

I don't know. :dunno:

I wouldn't say so as there isn't much glory here.

Was it the fifties when you chose us?

[bigwheel]

So if they were born in lets say Edinburgh and support Rangers/Celtic than they are bigots or glory hunters. I wasn't born in Edinburgh yet i support Hibs, am i a glory hunter?

No....a sadist ! [emoji6]

[Hibrandenburg]

It's taking a rangers fan to point this out to the crazies on here.
Changing the manager would be madness and this obsession for changing managers has to stop.

Been saying this for years mate and taken dogs abuse for it. How can a manager be a boss when everyone working under him knows he's living on borrowed time?

[ahibby]

A combined Edinburgh club would be no better than Aberdeen. A combined Glasgow club would be no better than the individual components of Celtic or Rangers. The only disappointing thing about the play offs for me is the difficulty we had in putting the games to bed. We had more possession and attempts than our opponents in all four games but didn't know how to capitalise on that and turn it in to goals. Numerous corners and free kicks( equivalent to short corners) and nothing from any of them. Falkirk caused us more problems from throw ins. All of that disappoints me. When it comes to playing in the Championship or Premier League, I don't care much one way or another. Games against QOS, Dunfermline, Dundee Utd, and Falkirk are as equally exciting than games against Ross County, Inverness, Partick Thistle, etc. Sure the big games will be a miss for some but cup runs can make up for those. The other point perhaps is the longer we are out of the top league the harder it might be to stick in it when we finally do return, but I'm in a 'who cares' frame of mind at the mo.

[JFK-1]

Well until Saturday nothing else means anything does it? Everything else is merely table talk to pass the time. While trying not to look through my blue tinted glasses I feel that Rangers are clear favourites but nothing is ever clear cut in football and I'm reluctant to jinx it by saying they will win.

Celtic were clear favourites in the semi and they crashed and burned but I think anyone saying they weren't outplayed would be displaying bias. We earned that win.

Naturally I don't want Hibs to win and you all do and given the reasons you want it and the reasons we want it it's difficult to say who is the more motivated, maybe a tie on that one. What we really want isn't really the cup as such it's the Euro spot while you guys are desperate just to get the cup itself with a bit of Euro action more of an afterthought.

But regarding that let's try to be neutral on this question. Which of them would be more likely to reach the group stage?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Just like to add it is pleasantly refreshing to get other clubs perspectives. I think it's maybe something that's in part been diminished due to the fallout of Rangers and Hearts allied to outlet relegation and with the rising tensions contributors have shied away or watched from a far as life is too short. Good to see VanNishteroy has hung in there and Son of Haggart and the odd appearance of Brüno. So thanks for tuning in and contributing JFK-1

[PeeJay]

What we really want isn't really the cup as such it's the Euro spot while you guys are desperate just to get the cup itself with a bit of Euro action more of an afterthought.

But regarding that let's try to be neutral on this question. Which of them would be more likely to reach the group stage?

I don't understand this attitude. You may win the Scottish Cup, you won't win anything in Europe. So why is a domestic cup you haven't yet won, but may win irrelevant yet a European game or two at the most somehow more relevant: your club won't reach the money-making group stages anyway, not this season that is? Mine won't either, of course.

[JimBHibees]

Well until Saturday nothing else means anything does it? Everything else is merely table talk to pass the time. While trying not to look through my blue tinted glasses I feel that Rangers are clear favourites but nothing is ever clear cut in football and I'm reluctant to jinx it by saying they will win.

Celtic were clear favourites in the semi and they crashed and burned but I think anyone saying they weren't outplayed would be displaying bias. We earned that win.

Naturally I don't want Hibs to win and you all do and given the reasons you want it and the reasons we want it it's difficult to say who is the more motivated, maybe a tie on that one. What we really want isn't really the cup as such it's the Euro spot while you guys are desperate just to get the cup itself with a bit of Euro action more of an afterthought.

But regarding that let's try to be neutral on this question. Which of them would be more likely to reach the group stage?

Totally agree Rangers outplayed Celtic in that match especially in the first half and agree you deserved to win however you didnt really create a huge amount of chances and they could have won the tie also if you take into account the open goal and the last minute free kick off the bar. The three players I was hugely impressed with were players I thought would struggle your goalie, and centre backs. All had exceptional games, we are obviously hoping they play more like they did in the recent game at Easter Road. :greengrin

[JFK-1]

I don't understand this attitude. You may win the Scottish Cup, you won't win anything in Europe. So why is a domestic cup you haven't yet won, but may win irrelevant yet a European game or two at the most somehow more relevant: your club won't reach the money-making group stages anyway, not this season that is? Mine won't either, of course.

They have won the Scottish cup 33 times and as for Europe I think they could reach the group stage given already known transfer dealings and targets. And it just occured to me that you're pulling this new club nonsense. Do as you wish but believe me outside your circle who are going for that even just down in England far less where I am in the US it looks bizarre to the point of obsessive insanity. But if that's what floats your boat go for it. It's meaningless to me or anyone who matters.

[JFK-1]

Totally agree Rangers outplayed Celtic in that match especially in the first half and agree you deserved to win however you didnt really create a huge amount of chances and they could have won the tie also if you take into account the open goal and the last minute free kick off the bar. The three players I was hugely impressed with were players I thought would struggle your goalie, and centre backs. All had exceptional games, we are obviously hoping they play more like they did in the recent game at Easter Road. :greengrin

Yes they dominate many matches and don't translate it into goals or often even chances sometimes which is something I have been pointing out to people around here who make the same complaint about Hibs. I like Wes Foderingham both as a player and a personality. His distribution from the back is exceptional and he is a likeable character but questionable when high balls come in.

They are linked with a very highly rated young goalie whose contract at Southend United called Daniel Bentley and if that goes through he will be taking the number 1 spot.

[CallumLaidlaw]

They have won the Scottish cup 33 times and as for Europe I think they could reach the group stage given already known transfer dealings and targets. And it just occured to me that you're pulling this new club nonsense. Do as you wish but believe me outside your circle who are going for that even just down in England far less where I am in the US it looks bizarre to the point of obsessive insanity. But if that's what floats your boat go for it. It's meaningless to me or anyone who matters.

Not a chance Rangers will get through 3 qualifying rounds to reach the group stages. You're blinkered if you genuinely think otherwise.

[JFK-1]

Not a chance Rangers will get through 3 qualifying rounds to reach the group stages. You're blinkered if you genuinely think otherwise.

Well as it stands it's a moot point until Saturday but if Rangers win the cup and take the Euro spot I would be willing to bet they actually could depending on the draw.

[Gerard]

Well as it stands it's a moot point until Saturday but if Rangers win the cup and take the Euro spot I would be willing to bet they actually could depending on the draw.

It is possible also will depend on the players your team brings in and keeps

[JFK-1]

It is possible also will depend on the players your team brings in and keeps

Well you're thinking more or less along the lines I am. They have already secured some players who will greatly strengthen the team and wont lose anyone worth keeping. I hope all the Scottish teams who play in Europe get somewhere though i'm well aware there are many around here and in my camp too who would wish otherwise simply for spite that does no one any good.

We're in this ****ty qualification process BECAUSE they haven't been doing any good. Why in the world would anyone with the interest of our game at heart want anything but any Scottish team to win in Europe?

[PeeJay]

They have won the Scottish cup 33 times and as for Europe I think they could reach the group stage given already known transfer dealings and targets. And it just occured to me that you're pulling this new club nonsense. Do as you wish but believe me outside your circle who are going for that even just down in England far less where I am in the US it looks bizarre to the point of obsessive insanity. But if that's what floats your boat go for it. It's meaningless to me or anyone who matters.

Just wanted to see if you were paying attention :greengrin: never mind: your new club is as meaningless to me as your old one was, as is your opinion on anything to do with Hibs - by the way, wasn't it YOUR club that first pulled the new club "nonsense"? Anyway, let's wait and see what happens on Saturday ...

[JFK-1]

Just wanted to see if you were paying attention :greengrin: never mind: your new club is as meaningless to me as your old one was, as is your opinion on anything to do with Hibs - by the way, wasn't it YOUR club that first pulled the new club "nonsense"? Anyway, let's wait and see what happens on Saturday ...

Both of our opinions are meaningless because we're simply non entities on an internet forum which is why I mentioned "anyone who matters" Anyone who matters is neither you nor me nor anyone at all on this forum.

Whatever happens on Saturday I hope it's a credit to the Scottish game and if it goes against my team so be it. It will still have been a good season in which they achieved the main objective while playing some highly entertaining football. The cup is a bonus if it comes which no one expected.

[NAE NOOKIE]

You were doing pretty well JFK until the amalgamated teams was introduced to the discussion. Scotland needs more teams in the mix not less, if Hibs and Hearts and Dundee and Dundee Utd amalgamated they may become a bigger challenge to the OF but it would take decades for the potential support to materialise if it ever happened at all ..... in the meantime you reduce the number of teams with a realistic chance of at least winning a cup by two and at a stroke do away with Scotland's 2nd and 3rd biggest derby matches.

I don't mean to have a go mate, but the big problem which will always be around is the kids from around Scotland who follow the old firm instead of their local clubs, I have a friend from Hamilton who now lives in the Borders, her whole family supports Celtic ....... That's why I always laugh at the OF's assertion that their away support keeps Scottish clubs afloat. Ask the chairman of Motherwell what he would rather have ..... Motherwell born and bred Joe Bloggs paying his way into Fir Park twice a season at £25 a pop to watch Rangers or Celtic or spending £250 for a season ticket to watch Motherwell.

Motherwell don't make £50 a season because Mr Bloggs from Motherwell supports Rangers or Celtic, they lose a minimum of £200 a season because he supports Rangers or Celtic ....... I wonder how many Joe Bloggses live in Motherwell or Wishaw for that matter.

I know the temptation to follow the OF is massive .... they dominate press & TV coverage and a lot of kids are under peer pressure too. But until bus loads of fans are leaving towns within a 30 mile radius of Glasgow to go and watch Partick Thistle every week guys like you will continue to be labelled 'glory hunters' and rightly so.

I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance here .... until I was 15 I was a Celtic supporter and a fervent one at that. At the end of the 1975 Scottish cup final after watching Celtic's sledgehammer smash Airdrie's nut I realised that my loyalty should be to a team from my home town, not to one from a City I had never even been to. It was a toss up between Hibs or Hearts .............. In spite of their propensity to bugger up at the final hurdle I have never regretted my choice.

If somehow Hibs do the unimaginable on Saturday and actually come away with the cup the unbridled joy that will give me as a Hibs fan will be something that no old firm fan will ever be able to experience. As we came away from our last two cup final defeats from Celtic the thing that struck me more than anything was the lack of reaction from the Celtic fans in the streets around Hampden, they were walking away from the ground as if they had just beaten Alloa in a 3rd round League cup tie ....... that's what comes from winning stuff so regularly and having a sense that its almost your right to do so I suppose.

There's every chance that on the way back down the M8 on Saturday we will be passed by a bus full of Rangers fans ( taking the piss if we have lost ) and in the back window of that bus will be a big flag with 'EDINBURGH LOYAL' written on it ....... now that's what I call irony.

Sorry about the lecture JFK ...... you knew it had to happen though :greengrin

:hijack:

[JFK-1]

You were doing pretty well JFK until the amalgamated teams was introduced to the discussion. Scotland needs more teams in the mix not less, if Hibs and Hearts and Dundee and Dundee Utd amalgamated they may become a bigger challenge to the OF but it would take decades for the potential support to materialise if it ever happened at all ..... in the meantime you reduce the number of teams with a realistic chance of at least winning a cup by two and at a stroke do away with Scotland's 2nd and 3rd biggest derby matches.

I don't mean to have a go mate, but the big problem which will always be around is the kids from around Scotland who follow the old firm instead of their local clubs, I have a friend from Hamilton who now lives in the Borders, her whole family supports Celtic ....... That's why I always laugh at the OF's assertion that their away support keeps Scottish clubs afloat. Ask the chairman of Motherwell what he would rather have ..... Motherwell born and bred Joe Bloggs paying his way into Fir Park twice a season at £25 a pop to watch Rangers or Celtic or spending £250 for a season ticket to watch Motherwell.

Motherwell don't make £50 a season because Mr Bloggs from Motherwell supports Rangers or Celtic, they lose a minimum of £200 a season because he supports Rangers or Celtic ....... I wonder how many Joe Bloggses live in Motherwell or Wishaw for that matter.

I know the temptation to follow the OF is massive .... they dominate press & TV coverage and a lot of kids are under peer pressure too. But until bus loads of fans are leaving towns within a 30 mile radius of Glasgow to go and watch Partick Thistle every week guys like you will continue to be labelled 'glory hunters' and rightly so.

I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance here .... until I was 15 I was a Celtic supporter and a fervent one at that. At the end of the 1975 Scottish cup final after watching Celtic's sledgehammer smash Airdrie's nut I realised that my loyalty should be to a team from my home town, not to one from a City I had never even been to. It was a toss up between Hibs or Hearts .............. In spite of their propensity to bugger up at the final hurdle I have never regretted my choice.

If somehow Hibs do the unimaginable on Saturday and actually come away with the cup the unbridled joy that will give me as a Hibs fan will be something that no old firm fan will ever be able to experience. As we came away from our last two cup final defeats from Celtic the thing that struck me more than anything was the lack of reaction from the Celtic fans in the streets around Hampden, they were walking away from the ground as if they had just beaten Alloa in a 3rd round League cup tie ....... that's what comes from winning stuff so regularly and having a sense that its almost your right to do so I suppose.

There's every chance that on the way back down the M8 on Saturday we will be passed by a bus full of Rangers fans ( taking the piss if we have lost ) and in the back window of that bus will be a big flag with 'EDINBURGH LOYAL' written on it ....... now that's what I call irony.

Sorry about the lecture JFK ...... you knew it had to happen though :greengrin

:hijack:

Obviously everyone has a view on it and I wasn't the first one to ever talk about amalgamation possibilities by a long way. The first time I ever heard of such a thing was a suggestion decades ago that the Lanarkshire clubs should amalgmate but thet never came to anything either. I grew up in Hamilton.

As far as the old firm goes I think we both know it's far more about sectarianism than it is about high profile which is something that's somewhat embarrassing in this day and age to someone like me living abroad when ever anyone who gets to know me starts looking up things about Scotland and discovers the sectarian issue. And it's not just in Glasgow it exists to some extent with Hibs and Hearts too doesn't it?

But what can I do. Better minds than mine have tried to deal with it and it's still prevalent though I would say less prevalent than when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's.

[Hibrandenburg]

Obviously everyone has a view on it and I wasn't the first one to ever talk about amalgamation possibilities by a long way. The first time I ever heard of such a thing was a suggestion decades ago that the Lanarkshire clubs should amalgmate but thet never came to anything either. I grew up in Hamilton.

As far as the old firm goes I think we both know it's far more about sectarianism than it is about high profile which is something that's somewhat embarrassing in this day and age to someone like me living abroad when ever anyone who gets to know me starts looking up things about Scotland and discovers the sectarian issue. And it's not just in Glasgow it exists to some extent with Hibs and Hearts too doesn't it?

But what can I do. Better minds than mine have tried to deal with it and it's still prevalent though I would say less prevalent than when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's.

You could push for rangers and celtic to amalgamate, that would over time solve the sectarian issue.

[JFK-1]

You could push for rangers and celtic to amalgamate, that would over time solve the sectarian issue.

I may as well push for Pakistan and India to reunite for all the good that would do and the old firm isn't the root of sectarianism. It merely became a gathering point along the way.

It starts in the schools and I think the only way to get on top of it is everyone attending the same schools but as it stands that too would appear to be a non starter for the forseeable future.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Obviously everyone has a view on it and I wasn't the first one to ever talk about amalgamation possibilities by a long way. The first time I ever heard of such a thing was a suggestion decades ago that the Lanarkshire clubs should amalgmate but thet never came to anything either. I grew up in Hamilton.

As far as the old firm goes I think we both know it's far more about sectarianism than it is about high profile which is something that's somewhat embarrassing in this day and age to someone like me living abroad when ever anyone who gets to know me starts looking up things about Scotland and discovers the sectarian issue. And it's not just in Glasgow it exists to some extent with Hibs and Hearts too doesn't it?

But what can I do. Better minds than mine have tried to deal with it and it's still prevalent though I would say less prevalent than when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's.

To a very small degree JFK .... As far as Hibs go since I first started going in the mid 70s the sectarian element has virtually gone, mostly due to self policing and the clubs zero tolerance approach. Hearts probably have a slightly bigger problem, but I know quite a few rabid Jambos and even they want nothing to do with that sort of thing and pour scorn on the small minority who do.

[Bostonhibby]

The OP has approached most of this debate in an even handed intelligent way which gives me some hope that a new type of supporter of the new club might have emerged from the ashes of the old one that voluntarily liquidated itself to evade it's liabilities and therefore ceased to exist in my world.

[Sir David Gray]

They have won the Scottish cup 33 times and as for Europe I think they could reach the group stage given already known transfer dealings and targets. And it just occured to me that you're pulling this new club nonsense. Do as you wish but believe me outside your circle who are going for that even just down in England far less where I am in the US it looks bizarre to the point of obsessive insanity. But if that's what floats your boat go for it. It's meaningless to me or anyone who matters.

Keep telling yourself that.

[CallumLaidlaw]

The OP has approached most of this debate in an even handed intelligent way which gives me some hope that a new type of supporter of the new club might have emerged from the ashes of the old one that voluntarily liquidated itself to evade it's liabilities and therefore ceased to exist in my world.

Nah, I know a couple of fairly level headed TheRangers fans. But if you want a reminder of what the majority of them are like, just have a wee look around twitter. They're very easy to find.

[Diclonius]

Obviously everyone has a view on it and I wasn't the first one to ever talk about amalgamation possibilities by a long way. The first time I ever heard of such a thing was a suggestion decades ago that the Lanarkshire clubs should amalgmate but thet never came to anything either. I grew up in Hamilton.

As far as the old firm goes I think we both know it's far more about sectarianism than it is about high profile which is something that's somewhat embarrassing in this day and age to someone like me living abroad when ever anyone who gets to know me starts looking up things about Scotland and discovers the sectarian issue. And it's not just in Glasgow it exists to some extent with Hibs and Hearts too doesn't it?

But what can I do. Better minds than mine have tried to deal with it and it's still prevalent though I would say less prevalent than when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's.

Serious question here.

If Celtic and Rangers amalgamated to form a "Glasgow United", would you support it if it was guaranteed that they would be a European powerhouse and regularly challenge for the Champions League etc alongside Real Madrid, Barcelona etc?

That would be your equivalent of a combined Edinburgh team pushing the OF for the title, and in my case I would never support such a team - would probably go and support Dundee United instead.

[JFK-1]

Keep telling yourself that.

Well to be honest this type of inanity bores me but I don't actually have to keep telling myself anything I think that's your position. Every footballing body tells me what I stated. Have you ever looked outside a blog at what they say? Here is an example.

League Champions: Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11
Championship - 2015/16
League 1 - 2013/14
Third Division - 2012/13

Scottish Cup: 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009


http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/#honours


If you know of any other footballing body that says anything different i'm open minded and will give it a look but believe me there are none. You have to understand this type of thing is making you and in fact the country a laughing stock abroad.

[Hibs90]

Well to be honest this type of inanity bores me but I don't actually have to keep telling myself anything I think that's your position. Every footballing body tells me what I stated. Have you ever looked outside a blog at what they say? Here is an example.

League Champions: Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11
Championship - 2015/16
League 1 - 2013/14
Third Division - 2012/13

Scottish Cup: 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009


http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/#honours


If you know of any other footballing body that says anything different i'm open minded and will give it a look but believe me there are none. You have to understand this type of thing is making you and in fact the country a laughing stock abroad.

You let your club die.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Well to be honest this type of inanity bores me but I don't actually have to keep telling myself anything I think that's your position. Every footballing body tells me what I stated. Have you ever looked outside a blog at what they say? Here is an example.

League Champions: Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11
Championship - 2015/16
League 1 - 2013/14
Third Division - 2012/13

Scottish Cup: 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009


http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/#honours


If you know of any other footballing body that says anything different i'm open minded and will give it a look but believe me there are none. You have to understand this type of thing is making you and in fact the country a laughing stock abroad.

If you think outside of Britain, anyone other than Rangers or Celtic fans care, you are kidding yourself. The only people that would see the whole newco argument is someone looking directly for it

[JFK-1]

If you think outside of Britain, anyone other than Rangers or Celtic fans care, you are kidding yourself. The only people that would see the whole newco argument is someone looking directly for it

Like the many people here in the US who know me and begin looking up details about Scotland for example? And no doubt the same thing happening in every country around the world where there are large contingents of Scots and that's many countries? Americans have raised this with me not the other way around.

And you're right, no one actually cares and I didn't say they did. I said it's a laughing stock

[hibs0666]

Like the many people here in the US who know me and begin looking up details about Scotland for example? And no doubt the same thing happening in every country around the world where there are large contingents of Scots and that's many countries? Americans have raised this with me not the other way around.

And you're right, no one actually cares and I didn't say they did. I said it's a laughing stock

Will the LA Rams inherit the history of the St. Louis Rams or is it a different team? Would the LA incarnation be able to buy the history?

[Bad Martini]

And you're right, no one actually cares and I didn't say they did. I said it's a laughing stock

Except it's not funny. The behaviour of the company known as "the" rangers (or the behaviour of the former club known as Glasgow rangers) isn't and wasn't funny either.

However, what is very funny is the fact that the club (The Rangers) formerly known as Glasgow Rangers before being allowed to die owing to irregularities in all things financial (and shafting HMRC which is hugely ironic) have never actually won the Scottish Cup or the Premier League yet, defy all others to tell us they have won more trophies than anyone else.

Far be it for us to suggest that all your club has won is the prestigious and lofty 3rd division, Scottish League One (or the 2nd division if we're not playing silly buggers) and (after 2 attempts) the European elite that is the Scottish Championship. Now I know the arduous tasks of winning the Blackthorn Cup in 2013 will have taken it's toll on the newest team in Scotland and it took 3 years to recover. Indeed, winning the Scottish Challenge Cup must have also been a huge drain on such a club, even with their vast resources. Alas, we can only heap praise on Scotland's newest team as they attempt to emulate the club they were born from. Unfortunately, "the" rangers have never won the Scottish Cup or the Premier League. That makes them even less successful than the lowly Hibernian whom they attempt to patronise and argue the toss with.

No matter, we wont gloat about their lack of European pedigree, history or anything else. We wont say a word about the fact their most bitter rivals are at least 5 years ahead of them and that's with the unfortunate and poor Ronnie-gate affair. Nope. Nosiree. Yeehaa.

Annnnnnnnnnnnywayyyyy, as I told a lot of my fellow Championship brethren a few weeks ago; we were going to struggle with promotion. We ****ed up in February and handed 9 points to "the" rangers and an advantage to Falkirk. It proved our undoing, along with some bad decisions by Stubbs in two matches and some awful refereeing with a hand ball Stevie Wonder could have seen. However, 2016 still goes down as a year where we lost a cup final and reached another which, as I was alluding, I firmly believe we'll win.

This is because of our long and prestigious history. It's because God himself follows the Hibs (use of the word "the" optional and used by us without requirement) and also because, this new team from Glasgow, whilst playing within a ground that holds 50,987 fans, have punched a good bit above their weight since the lofty heights of League One.

Over and out, roger roger, 1875, GGTTH. :flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::f lag::flag:
ENDOF

[JFK-1]

Will the LA Rams inherit the history of the St. Louis Rams or is it a different team? Would the LA incarnation be able to buy the history?

I will say one more thing on this because frankly it's utter drivel to me and anyone outside a certain group in Scotland. I don't even know what your talking about when you mention American sports because I have no interest in them. The issue here is Scottish football and Scottish footballing records and in fact the records held by any footballing body anywhere which all say exactly the same thing I just posted.

You get them ti change those records and I wiull go along with you but it's never going to happen so that's basically end of story. Find the record that agres with you and i'm in. Until then again you're making te country look loke a laughing stock with this nonsense and not just far afield right next door in England. It's truly embarrasing. I will show you one more view which hardly even matters because nothing will change anything anyway but this comes from an Engliahman, Ron Atkinson to be precise then you can go your way and I can go mine and as I said nothing will change about the official reality I already posted.


Celtic Fans Open to Ridicule Over Rangers “Old Firm” Claims – by Rob Atkinson


Now, surely – these Celtic fans cannot be serious? It’s a wind-up, right? Are they quite barking mad, these loose-lipped Bhoys? What are they worried or insecure about, that they should resort to this? The whole “argument” stated above smacks of trying too hard, a mean-spirited attempt to cast back down a club trying to recover from an almost terminal decline. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Rangers’ fall – and without declaring any particular affiliation on either side of the Old Firm divide – this blog has to state in the strongest possible terms that what we have here is a bunch of partisan yet clueless fans talking fluent rubbish.

That's the view of this everywhere and everywhere that matters and again nothing is ever going to change it.

[Fisherrow Harp]

Will the LA Rams inherit the history of the St. Louis Rams or is it a different team? Would the LA incarnation be able to buy the history?

The L.A Rams were the L.A Rams before they moved to St.Louis. Perhaps a better example would be the Clevelend Browns, who moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens at their owner's behest. Anyway the Brown franchise was basicly put on hold and then allowed to be associated (sure they bought the rights) with the origanal Browns history. I'm not sure what it adds to the conversation and I am not being pedantic for pedantics sake, just intreasting 😄

[Fisherrow Harp]

The L.A Rams were the L.A Rams before they moved to St.Louis. Perhaps a better example would be the Clevelend Browns, who moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens at their owner's behest. Anyway the Brown franchise was basicly put on hold and then allowed to be associated (sure they bought the rights) with the origanal Browns history. I'm not sure what it adds to the conversation and I am not being pedantic for pedantics sake, just intreasting 😄 If your into these things ofc ^^

[Bostonhibby]

Nah, I know a couple of fairly level headed TheRangers fans. But if you want a reminder of what the majority of them are like, just have a wee look around twitter. They're very easy to find.
Sadly I worked with a couple very recently. Minority? Aye right.

[Nitten Hibee]

Remember when Walter Smith said "We wish the new Rangers Football Club every good fortune."

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18503656

[high bee]

We could go on forever with this and I guarantee that neither side will change their mind. JFK has been pretty civil and it's been interesting to have a bit of debate with a fan of another club without them being a troll.

Can we just agree to disagree and move on before this gets out of hand!?

[The Green Goblin]

You're premise that a combined Edinburgh club would do better than Hibs and Hearts completely misses the points people care most about. It is the 100+ year heritage and role in their communities that make people care about their teams...not some franchised version that may win more games. Why not combine Rangers and Celtic and see if they can do better in Europe against the really big clubs? That is equivalent to what your idea is to us...it's is the worst of all football thinking -give away the soul of your club, and hope that the new "entity" wins more games..no thank you, never. I'd rather watch Hibs in a local amateur league than have any part in that.

This. Word for word.

[Haymaker]

We could go on forever with this and I guarantee that neither side will change their mind. JFK has been pretty civil and it's been interesting to have a bit of debate with a fan of another club without them being a troll.

Can we just agree to disagree and move on before this gets out of hand!?

He is entitled to his opinion however it probably isn't the best place to try and say rangers are the same club :greengrin

[high bee]

He is entitled to his opinion however it probably isn't the best place to try and say rangers are the same club :greengrin

Totally agree, it will only keep going back and forth until it gets ugly. Discussing stuff like that here (or any other rival forum) is only going to end badly.

[Sir David Gray]

Well to be honest this type of inanity bores me but I don't actually have to keep telling myself anything I think that's your position. Every footballing body tells me what I stated. Have you ever looked outside a blog at what they say? Here is an example.

League Champions: Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11
Championship - 2015/16
League 1 - 2013/14
Third Division - 2012/13

Scottish Cup: 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009


http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/#honours


If you know of any other footballing body that says anything different i'm open minded and will give it a look but believe me there are none. You have to understand this type of thing is making you and in fact the country a laughing stock abroad.

Why were the new Rangers not able to compete in European competition from 2012-2015, even if they had won the Scottish Cup during those years?

Answers on a postcard please.

I'm happy to be considered a laughing stock in the eyes of your fans, I actually take that as a compliment.

[JFK-1]

Why were the new Rangers not able to compete in European competition from 2012-2015, even if they had won the Scottish Cup during those years?

Answers on a postcard please.

I'm happy to be considered a laughing stock in the eyes of your fans, I actually take that as a compliment.

As far as I'm aware they were and as I previously mentioned i'm not interested enough in any of this to be bothered spending any time on it. And even if what you want to think were true it still wouldn't change anything about those SPFL records. Not a single thing.

And I have never mentioned anyone being a laughing stock in the eyes of Rangers fans. I said around the world from England outwards where it's seen as some sort of bizarre obsession.

And that in fact that draws a line under this as far as I'm concerned because as I have already repeated if you can come up with any alternative records from any authority then show me it and I will believe it but that's not going to happen

So as others are also saying and I presume they are boired with it too if you want to bang on about this stuff i'm not the one to do it with. I have already stated my views on it and illustrated the view outside Scotland and that it's meaningless to me and meaningless to anyone who matters. Neither of us are anyone who matter so it's pointless.

[Time For Heroes]

As far as I'm aware they were and as I previously mentioned i'm not interested enough in any of this to be bothered spending any time on it. And even if what you want to think were true it still wouldn't change anything about those SPFL records. Not a single thing.

And I have never mentioned anyone being a laughing stock in the eyes of Rangers fans. I said around the world from England outwards where it's seen as some sort of bizarre obsession.

And that in fact that draws a line under this as far as I'm concerned because as I have already repeated if you can come up with any alternative records from any authority then show me it and I will believe it but that's not going to happen

So as others are also saying and I presume they are boired with it too if you want to bang on about this stuff i'm not the one to do it with. I have already stated my views on it and illustrated the view outside Scotland and that it's meaningless to me and meaningless to anyone who matters. Neither of us are anyone who matter so it's pointless.
serious question... if "rangers" are the same club why havent they paid there taxes?

[JFK-1]

serious question... if "rangers" are the same club why havent they paid there taxes?

Seriious reply. I'm not a tax man, call one if you have tax questions.

[Time For Heroes]

Seriious reply. I'm not a tax man, call one if you have tax questions.

You get my drift though...
to be fair, i love the fact that you've come on here and been very open and gave a good arguement, i just cannot accept that it is the same club.
I hope you keep posting though, i find it very refreshing and would welcome more to do the same

[JFK-1]

You get my drift though...
to be fair, i love the fact that you've come on here and been very open and gave a good arguement, i just cannot accept that it is the same club.
I hope you keep posting though, i find it very refreshing and would welcome more to do the same

Well you're entitled to go through life thinking whatever you like. Where I am in the US I'm surrounded by people who cannot accept that the Earth is billions of years old and that all life on it evolved over that time span. They prefer to think the Earth is 6 to 10 thousand years old and that all life appeared on it by magic spell in a single day. That's their prerogative but that bores me too.

All I'm thinking about is Saturday.

[Time For Heroes]

Well you're entitled to go through life thinking whatever you like. Where I am in the US I'm surrounded by people who cannot accept that the Earth is billions of years old and that all life on it evolved over that time span. They prefer to think the Earth is 6 to 10 thousand years old and that all life appeared on it by magic spell in a single day. That's their prerogative but that bores me too.

All I'm thinking about is Saturday.
well from where I am in the Uk i cannot understand how "the rangers" fans can ignore the small matter of avoiding tens of millions of tax payers money. Gloss over the facts, enjoy Saturday

[Kato]

Well you're entitled to go through life thinking whatever you like. Where I am in the US I'm surrounded by people who cannot accept that the Earth is billions of years old and that all life on it evolved over that time span. They prefer to think the Earth is 6 to 10 thousand years old and that all life appeared on it by magic spell in a single day.

Those people should be shown a bit religious tolerance.

Their simple beliefs come from decades of Presbyterian brainwashing.

[hibs0666]

I will say one more thing on this because frankly it's utter drivel to me and anyone outside a certain group in Scotland. I don't even know what your talking about when you mention American sports because I have no interest in them. The issue here is Scottish football and Scottish footballing records and in fact the records held by any footballing body anywhere which all say exactly the same thing I just posted.

You get them ti change those records and I wiull go along with you but it's never going to happen so that's basically end of story. Find the record that agres with you and i'm in. Until then again you're making te country look loke a laughing stock with this nonsense and not just far afield right next door in England. It's truly embarrasing. I will show you one more view which hardly even matters because nothing will change anything anyway but this comes from an Engliahman, Ron Atkinson to be precise then you can go your way and I can go mine and as I said nothing will change about the official reality I already posted.


That's the view of this everywhere and everywhere that matters and again nothing is ever going to change it.

The blog talks about almost terminal decline. How much more terminal can things be than liquidation?

Lets just remember how ridiculous things are. The new club bought the okdclubs history and thetefore claims previous successes. What if Celtic had bought the history - would it then be able to claim oodles more titles? Of course not, its too ridiculous to even contemplate. If its too ridiculous for an established club then I'm sure you can see why it's the same for a club that has been in existence for five minutes.

[JFK-1]

The blog talks about almost terminal decline. How much more terminal can things be than liquidation?

Lets just remember how ridiculous things are. The new club bought the okdclubs history and thetefore claims previous successes. What if Celtic had bought the history - would it then be able to claim oodles more titles? Of course not, its too ridiculous to even contemplate. If its too ridiculous for an established club then I'm sure you can see why it's the same for a club that has been in existence for five minutes.

And again it's entirely pointless to bring whatever you would like it to be to me or almost anybody for that matter. You can chant it like a mantra round the clock 7 days a week for the rest of your life if you want and nothing will be any different.

And i'm as irrelevant as you are. Take your information to those who matter and get those records changed. Until you do then it's as worthwhile as the US creationsists and their beliefs of instant man by magic spell within the past ten thousand years. Totally meaningless.

This is mind numblimgly dull and pointless as well as being an international laughing stock. The following is the reality no matter what you believe no matter what I believe. Hell if you convinced me to believe it too it would it would still be entirely pointless because the following would still be the official reality.


League Champions: Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11
Championship - 2015/16
League 1 - 2013/14
Third Division - 2012/13

Scottish Cup: 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009



http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/#honours

That's where it indisputably stands no matter what you say no matter what I say so if you're truly that obsessed I would suggest you contact them and UEFA and FIFA and let them all know about their mistake. It truly is an international laughing stock and to me it's bizarre. I couldn't care less about any other club to that level. Take a look at this for example.


i cannot understand how "the rangers" fans can ignore the small matter of avoiding tens of millions of tax payers money.

You ever seen anybody THAT obsessive over some tax issue or ANYTHING that didn't affect them? There are actors in this country with tax bills totalling tens of millions. Do I care? Do you care? Does anybody care obsessing on it for years on end? Not to my knowledge but that's what's happening here. Your team is stuck in a lower tier league for at least another year and rather than dsicuss that it would appear you all want to obsess on this pointless boring broken record.

I came here to talk to you guys in a civil manner about your own club and recent events and this is truly all you ever talk about? Non stop? That's obsession mate. Repetetive and boring. Like watching the same TV show over and over.

[Dalianwanda]

And again it's entirely pointless to bring whatever you would like it to be to me or almost anybody for that matter. You can chant it like a mantra round the clock 7 days a week for the rest of your life if you want and nothing will be any different.

And i'm as irrelevant as you are. Take your information to those who matter and get those records changed. Until you do then it's as worthwhile as the US creationsists and their beliefs of instant man by magic spell within the past ten thousand years. Totally meaningless.

This is mind numblimgly dull and pointless as well as being an international laughing stock. The following is the reality no matter what you believe no matter what I believe. Hell if you convinced me to believe it too it would it would still be entirely pointless because the following would still be the official reality.



That's where it indisputably stands no matter what you say no matter what I say so if you're truly that obsessed I would suggest you contact them and UEFA and FIFA and let them all know about their mistake. It truly is an international laughing stock and to me it's bizarre. I couldn't care less about any other club to that level. Take a look at this for example.



You ever seen anybody THAT obsessive over some tax issue or ANYTHING that didn't affect them? There are actors in this country with tax bills totalling tens of millions. Do I care? Do you care? Does anybody care obsessing on it for years on end? Not to my knowledge but that's what's happening here. Your team is stuck in a lower tier league for at least another year and rather than dsicuss that it would appear you all want to obsess on this pointless boring broken record.

I came here to talk to you guys in a civil manner about your own club and recent events and this is truly all you ever talk about? Non stop? That's obsession mate. Repetetive and boring. Like watching the same TV show over and over.

I could watch Father Ted all week and not find it boring :green grin

The international laughing stock isn't from the obsession, that some have about what has happened, as you mention. The laughter and disbelief is how it was "reported" by the media msm and handled by our governing bodies..I suppose it depends who in the international community you communicate with..

Back to the weekend..Really looking forward to the game now..Have that horrible feeling of hope that lifts me before every final..Think its gonna be a great game..

[JFK-1]

I could watch Father Ted all week and not find it boring :greengrin

Father Ted only ran for 3 seasons not 4 and had a somewhat greater script variety. :wink:

[Carheenlea]

And again it's entirely pointless to bring whatever you would like it to be to me or almost anybody for that matter. You can chant it like a mantra round the clock 7 days a week for the rest of your life if you want and nothing will be any different.

And i'm as irrelevant as you are. Take your information to those who matter and get those records changed. Until you do then it's as worthwhile as the US creationsists and their beliefs of instant man by magic spell within the past ten thousand years. Totally meaningless.

This is mind numblimgly dull and pointless as well as being an international laughing stock. The following is the reality no matter what you believe no matter what I believe. Hell if you convinced me to believe it too it would it would still be entirely pointless because the following would still be the official reality.



That's where it indisputably stands no matter what you say no matter what I say so if you're truly that obsessed I would suggest you contact them and UEFA and FIFA and let them all know about their mistake. It truly is an international laughing stock and to me it's bizarre. I couldn't care less about any other club to that level. Take a look at this for example.



You ever seen anybody THAT obsessive over some tax issue or ANYTHING that didn't affect them? There are actors in this country with tax bills totalling tens of millions. Do I care? Do you care? Does anybody care obsessing on it for years on end? Not to my knowledge but that's what's happening here. Your team is stuck in a lower tier league for at least another year and rather than dsicuss that it would appear you all want to obsess on this pointless boring broken record.

I came here to talk to you guys in a civil manner about your own club and recent events and this is truly all you ever talk about? Non stop? That's obsession mate. Repetetive and boring. Like watching the same TV show over and over.

You came to talk about our club but the thread has turned into a boring thread about your club. I'll give it another 24 hours and I predict your bags will be packed after the thread taking further turns for the worst... Mind, fortunately for you, I'd say the admin team have a bit more tolerance than me!

[Carheenlea]

Father Ted only ran for 3 seasons not 4 and had a somewhat greater script variety. :wink:

I'll tell you what, if there was someone I'd quite happily have seen Rangers stiff it would have been the owners of Father Teds house. It's not far from my inlaws, and took my family and mother and father in law down for a spin a couple of years ago. The owners do teas, and I treated everyone to tea and scones all round and got a bill for the thick end of €50 :grr:

[JFK-1]

You came to talk about our club but the thread has turned into a boring thread about your club. I'll give it another 24 hours and I predict your bags will be packed after the thread taking further turns for the worst... Mind, fortunately for you, I'd say the admin team have a bit more tolerance than me!

I only came here for some football talk after the Falkirk matches which is thin on the ground in Oklahoma and as far as i'm aware have been nothing but resepctful and encouraging about your team. I would voluntarily leave if the presence of outside input is somehow so troubling to anybody.

And in addition I will give you a little bit more information which I hadn't intended to. I have been banned from the only Rangers forum I participated on apparently for simply coming here and conceding that Hibs were the better team over the two Falkirk matches and a credible challenger for the title until into the final quarter. I'm beginning to wonder if all of Scotland or maybe Scottish football supporters have gone insane during the 4 years I have been away from it.

[Gerard]

I only came here for some football talk after the Falkirk matches which is thin on the ground in Oklahoma and as far as i'm aware have been nothing but resepctful and encouraging about your team. I would voluntarily leave if the presence of outside input is somehow so troubling to anybody.

And in addition I will give you a little bit more information which I hadn't intended to. I have been banned from the only Rangers forum I participated on apparently for simply coming here and conceding that Hibs were the better team over the two Falkirk matches and a credible challenger for the title until into the final quarter. I'm beginning to wonder if all of Scotland or maybe Scottish football supporters have gone insane during the 4 years I have been away from it.
You have made a valuable contribution to this forum. If Hibs win the SC this year I hope you will get over this loss . You may even Start supporting a new team.

[northstandhibby]

I only came here for some football talk after the Falkirk matches which is thin on the ground in Oklahoma and as far as i'm aware have been nothing but resepctful and encouraging about your team. I would voluntarily leave if the presence of outside input is somehow so troubling to anybody.

And in addition I will give you a little bit more information which I hadn't intended to. I have been banned from the only Rangers forum I participated on apparently for simply coming here and conceding that Hibs were the better team over the two Falkirk matches and a credible challenger for the title until into the final quarter. I'm beginning to wonder if all of Scotland or maybe Scottish football supporters have gone insane during the 4 years I have been away from it.

Would like to think this forum supports other intelligent fans of other clubs to make comment. You seem far too intelligent to be a Hun though?

Come on the Cabbage!!!

[Bostonhibby]

I only came here for some football talk after the Falkirk matches which is thin on the ground in Oklahoma and as far as i'm aware have been nothing but resepctful and encouraging about your team. I would voluntarily leave if the presence of outside input is somehow so troubling to anybody.

And in addition I will give you a little bit more information which I hadn't intended to. I have been banned from the only Rangers forum I participated on apparently for simply coming here and conceding that Hibs were the better team over the two Falkirk matches and a credible challenger for the title until into the final quarter. I'm beginning to wonder if all of Scotland or maybe Scottish football supporters have gone insane during the 4 years I have been away from it.

You're generally welcomed here, Scottish football ain't what it was and some things never change - it sound like the culture of the rangers is becoming even more inward looking than previously, support Hibernian, a community club that welcomes those of all faiths and no faiths :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Well you're entitled to go through life thinking whatever you like. Where I am in the US I'm surrounded by people who cannot accept that the Earth is billions of years old and that all life on it evolved over that time span. They prefer to think the Earth is 6 to 10 thousand years old and that all life appeared on it by magic spell in a single day. That's their prerogative but that bores me too.

All I'm thinking about is Saturday.

Wow, thats not patronising at all eh?

[Sir David Gray]

As far as I'm aware they were and as I previously mentioned i'm not interested enough in any of this to be bothered spending any time on it. And even if what you want to think were true it still wouldn't change anything about those SPFL records. Not a single thing.

And I have never mentioned anyone being a laughing stock in the eyes of Rangers fans. I said around the world from England outwards where it's seen as some sort of bizarre obsession.

And that in fact that draws a line under this as far as I'm concerned because as I have already repeated if you can come up with any alternative records from any authority then show me it and I will believe it but that's not going to happen

So as others are also saying and I presume they are boired with it too if you want to bang on about this stuff i'm not the one to do it with. I have already stated my views on it and illustrated the view outside Scotland and that it's meaningless to me and meaningless to anyone who matters. Neither of us are anyone who matter so it's pointless.

They weren't eligible and the reason being is that UEFA requires a club to have had a licence with them for 3 years before being able to compete in one of their competitions.

If Rangers are the same club, in UEFA's eyes, why were they excluded from European competition for 3 years, post 2012?

[Since90+2]

Sevco Rangers - You let your club die.

[JeMeSouviens]

I will say one more thing on this because frankly it's utter drivel to me and anyone outside a certain group in Scotland. I don't even know what your talking about when you mention American sports because I have no interest in them. The issue here is Scottish football and Scottish footballing records and in fact the records held by any footballing body anywhere which all say exactly the same thing I just posted.

You get them ti change those records and I wiull go along with you but it's never going to happen so that's basically end of story. Find the record that agres with you and i'm in. Until then again you're making te country look loke a laughing stock with this nonsense and not just far afield right next door in England. It's truly embarrasing. I will show you one more view which hardly even matters because nothing will change anything anyway but this comes from an Engliahman, Ron Atkinson to be precise then you can go your way and I can go mine and as I said nothing will change about the official reality I already posted.


That's the view of this everywhere and everywhere that matters and again nothing is ever going to change it.

The only place where this subject matters at all is here in Scotland, the rest of the world couldn't give a flying one.

The reality is that the SFA & SPFL corrupted their own rules in order to have a "Rangers" for the game's short term financial benefit. If it really were the same club, what was the mechanism for it ending up in the bottom tier? There is no way for that to happen. The only way a Rangers could be in the top division one season and the bottom division the next is if the first one ceased to be and a new one were admitted.

There is precedent for liquidated clubs being replaced by new successor teams:

Airdrieonians: went bust, replaced by Clydebank renamed as Airdrie Utd, same colours, same stadium, different club and treated as such.
Gretna: went bust, replaced by Gretna 2008, same colours, same stadium, different club and treated as such.

Rangers: went bust, replaced by Sevco Scotland renamed as Rangers, same colours, same stadium, allowed to pretend to be the same club.

The only difference between the latter case and the first 2 is £££££.

[ronaldo7]

Even the bookies ken they're a newco.:wink:

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[JFK-1]

Wow, thats not patronising at all eh?

I'm sorry if it comes across like that because that's not the intention but when it's all people want to talk about I end up going through multiple analogies of what I think of it and there are a limited number of ways I can keep saying the same thing.

If anyone wants to talk about football i'm up for that but if they just want to rehash the same old thing over and over it becomes tedious and uninteresting. I'm confident there are many people on this forum who want to actually talk about football matches both current and future so after some advice from another forum user I will now just resort to building an ignore list of people who want to just obsess on one thing repeatedly which will eventually filter it out to those who want to discuss football.

I think that's best all round not just for civil discourse but diverse and interesting discussion.

[Suazee1990]

I only came here for some football talk after the Falkirk matches which is thin on the ground in Oklahoma and as far as i'm aware have been nothing but resepctful and encouraging about your team. I would voluntarily leave if the presence of outside input is somehow so troubling to anybody.

And in addition I will give you a little bit more information which I hadn't intended to. I have been banned from the only Rangers forum I participated on apparently for simply coming here and conceding that Hibs were the better team over the two Falkirk matches and a credible challenger for the title until into the final quarter. I'm beginning to wonder if all of Scotland or maybe Scottish football supporters have gone insane during the 4 years I have been away from it.
:faf::faf: :faf: You're a ****ing brass neck mate.

[--------]

Not we are not.


Oh yes we are. And have been for some considerable time now.

Waken up and smell the coffee, why don't you?

[hibs0666]

Oh yes we are. And have been for some considerable time now.

Waken up and smell the coffee, why don't you?

With supporters like you, who needs enemies eh?

[blackpoolhibs]

You have made a valuable contribution to this forum. If Hibs win the SC this year I hope you will get over this loss . You may even Start supporting a new team.

What, another new team, that would be 3 in the last 4 years?

[sleeping giant]

Well to be honest this type of inanity bores me but I don't actually have to keep telling myself anything I think that's your position. Every footballing body tells me what I stated. Have you ever looked outside a blog at what they say? Here is an example.

League Champions: Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11
Championship - 2015/16
League 1 - 2013/14
Third Division - 2012/13

Scottish Cup: 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009


http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/#honours


If you know of any other footballing body that says anything different i'm open minded and will give it a look but believe me there are none. You have to understand this type of thing is making you and in fact the country a laughing stock abroad.


Haha.
The country has been a laughing stock for a while due to the religious bigotry from Celtic and newco.

You can copy and paste all you like.
Every single football fan in Scotland knows that newco only have 4 years history.
Horrible disgusting bigoted club.

You have no shame.

[--------]

With supporters like you, who needs enemies eh?


Well it's better than having your head stuck in the sand. (Or anywhere else.)

It's a fact, and one I'm getting tired of.

Maybe if the people running the club had to meet the supporters of other teams regularly and listen to the funny comments, they might try a bit harder.

If the players had to listen to the same funny comments they might learn to play right through to the final whistle once in a while.

It's shocking that a club with the history Hibernian possess have descended to the level they're at right now.

It's a scandal that in the last half-century Hibs have played in 5 Scottish Cup Finals (or at least they've been on the pitch - I wouldn't say they played except once against Rangers in 1979, losing the second replay in ET). Celtic have taken us 6-1, 3-0, and 3-0, and Hearts 5-1. My, how we enjoyed those games!

The League Cup?

Hibs have been in that final 9 times, winning 3, against Celtic, Dunfermline and Killie. The defeats have included two 6-goal drubbings by Celtic and woeful non-appearances against Livingston and Ross County.

And the "First Division" Championship twice - except it was actually the Second Division, really - which is the one we need to win sometime very soon if we're not to end up tooling along on crowds of 5,000, always in the play-offs if we're lucky but never quite good enough to get back up to the Premiership ir the SPL or whatever they're calling it in 2045.

So you may guess that I am thoroughly pissed with the situation right now, and the icing on the cake is provided by all my kind friends in Lanarkshire who - guess what? - find that Hibs provide a deep well of funny comments and jokes.

And it has become very, very, old.

So waken up - Hibs are a laughingstock and will be until someone sorts them out. Get used to it, because it doesn't look to me as if it'll end anytime soon.

[Bad Martini]

Well to be honest this type of inanity bores me but I don't actually have to keep telling myself anything I think that's your position. Every footballing body tells me what I stated. Have you ever looked outside a blog at what they say? Here is an example.

League Champions: Premier Division - 1975/76, 1977/78, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96,1996/97
SPL - 1998/99, 1999/2000, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10, 2010/11
Championship - 2015/16
League 1 - 2013/14
Third Division - 2012/13

Scottish Cup: 1894, 1897, 1898, 1903, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009


http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/#honours


If you know of any other footballing body that says anything different i'm open minded and will give it a look but believe me there are none. You have to understand this type of thing is making you and in fact the country a laughing stock abroad.


As I said in my post a few posts ago that you ignored (assumedly because you have no come back that is in any way credible), this record is a mixture of Glasgow Rangers and The Rangers. Two separate entities. Both equally vile right enough, but two different clubs.

Anyway, the "fact" is that NEWCO has won:
The 3rd Divison
The Blackthorn Cup <<< :greengrin
The 2nd Division (now called League 1 or or some other equally irrelevant title)
The Scottish Challenge Cup <<< :greengrin
The 1st Division (now called the Championship)

NEWCO, has NOT won:
The Scottish Premier League / SPL / whatever its called these days
The Scottish Cup
Anything in Europe
Not even the ****ty Tennents Sixes :na na:


ANNNYYYYWAYYYYY, I do hope you stick around long enough to witness NEWCO losing their first Scottish Cup Final too. Another wee bit of history for you to try and deny.

And with that, I say...

GLORY GLORY TO THE HIBEES

:aok::thumbsup::na na::flag:

[Cabbage East]

Well it's better than having your head stuck in the sand. (Or anywhere else.)

It's a fact, and one I'm getting tired of.

Maybe if the people running the club had to meet the supporters of other teams regularly and listen to the funny comments, they might try a bit harder.

If the players had to listen to the same funny comments they might learn to play right through to the final whistle once in a while.

It's shocking that a club with the history Hibernian possess have descended to the level they're at right now.

It's a scandal that in the last half-century Hibs have played in 5 Scottish Cup Finals (or at least they've been on the pitch - I wouldn't say they played except once against Rangers in 1979, losing the second replay in ET). Celtic have taken us 6-1, 3-0, and 3-0, and Hearts 5-1. My, how we enjoyed those games!

The League Cup?

Hibs have been in that final 9 times, winning 3, against Celtic, Dunfermline and Killie. The defeats have included two 6-goal drubbings by Celtic and woeful non-appearances against Livingston and Ross County.

And the "First Division" Championship twice - except it was actually the Second Division, really - which is the one we need to win sometime very soon if we're not to end up tooling along on crowds of 5,000, always in the play-offs if we're lucky but never quite good enough to get back up to the Premiership ir the SPL or whatever they're calling it in 2045.

So you may guess that I am thoroughly pissed with the situation right now, and the icing on the cake is provided by all my kind friends in Lanarkshire who - guess what? - find that Hibs provide a deep well of funny comments and jokes.

And it has become very, very, old.

So waken up - Hibs are a laughingstock and will be until someone sorts them out. Get used to it, because it doesn't look to me as if it'll end anytime soon.

Going the morn mate?