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Spike Mandela
13-05-2016, 11:53 PM
......you're a cheating ****.

northstandhibby
14-05-2016, 07:45 AM
There is no doubt the blatant penalty that was not given by him leaves a sour note to the play offs. Assuming we had scored the penalty and being 3-1 up and taken at the very least a one goal advantage into the second game it could have been a wholly different situation. Another SFA Referee who has been shown to be in my opinion- bent. He seen the Falkirk player put his hand on the ball then clear it up the park. Bent is the only word for him.

In addition Craig Thompson elected not even to book the player who fouled James Keatings when being the last man and denying James a clear goal scoring opportunity. It should by the letter of the law a straight red card. When Stokes kicked the ball away Thompson immediately booked Stokes as it was by the letter of the law a straight yellow card for kicking the ball away. How then was a last man defender not sent off for a straight red card for denying James Keatings a clear goal scoring opportunity. James was clearly going to have a good clear sight of goal when he was fouled.

Do the SFA Referees have an agenda or is it the SFA who appoint these Referees who call the big blatant decisions wrongly and always the other way against the Hi bees.

If either of these two massive calls by firstly Muir and secondly by Thompson had been given correctly they would have changed the outcome.

Nicho87
14-05-2016, 07:48 AM
We were asked to win a game of football. We failed. Muir is a tit but so is stubbs

Beefster
14-05-2016, 07:49 AM
Refs aren't the reason that we've utterly failed in the league this season.

Carheenlea
14-05-2016, 07:51 AM
We create enough openings and chances that we should be comfortably winning matches even if Gary Mackay was refereeing.
Muir was a contributory factor in the outcome alright, but not as much as the inability to turn possession and chances into goals has been this season.

Scottie
14-05-2016, 07:51 AM
Refs aren't the reason that we've utterly failed in the league this season.
No but they certainly haven't helped our cause with scandalous decisions along the way.

Caversham Green
14-05-2016, 07:53 AM
Muir was under pressure due to Houston's long and bitter complaints regarding a soft penalty given in a previous match between the two clubs.

Thomson's anti-Hibs bias is well documented and has been brought to the SFA's attention.

Of all the referees available on Tuesday and Friday night why were these two chosen for the tie?

Allant1981
14-05-2016, 07:59 AM
It was a scandalous call by the ref but refs arent the issue we havent went up, our crap results in the 2nd half of the season are

calumhibee1
14-05-2016, 08:00 AM
Muir was under pressure due to Houston's long and bitter complaints regarding a soft penalty given in a previous match between the two clubs.

Thomson's anti-Hibs bias is well documented and has been brought to the SFA's attention.

Of all the referees available on Tuesday and Friday night why were these two chosen for the tie?

Other than the red card I actually thought Thomson was faultless last night.

Tyler Durden
14-05-2016, 08:00 AM
I despair of this situation. We've had a period of 4/5 years of horrific refereeing decisions. Forster's headed goal at Tynecastle an example which could easily have saved us from relegation for example.

In this 2 legs we've been denied a blatant penalty twice and Falkirks right back gets away with kicking Henderson off the ball. Same player hits McGinn in the face last night. McCracken should blatantly have been red carded for the penalty. Not even booked and goes on to punch Logan in the face, again no punishment

Throughout all this Stubbs says nothing, sticking to SFA/SPFL rules. its too late now FFS. Forget the dignified answers and draw attention to this crap.

Of course we should have been good enough to win despite all this. But again we've been cheated and we've missed any opportunity to impact matters by speaking up earlier.

Tyler Durden
14-05-2016, 08:03 AM
Other than the red card I actually thought Thomson was faultless last night.

What about the right back bursting McGinns lip or McCracken assaulting out keeper.

Even if he was faultless other than the red, that's still massive. An hour with 10 men

Waxy
14-05-2016, 08:05 AM
Job done by Muir.Any other team would have been given it.The old saying goes "it's not what you know, it's who you know"

Trainor
14-05-2016, 08:05 AM
Refs aren't the reason that we've utterly failed in the league this season.


Yep. Too many poor results where the ref wasn't to blame.

JimBHibees
14-05-2016, 08:06 AM
Refs aren't the reason that we've utterly failed in the league this season.

They were a massive factor in us not getting through this tie though. Quite simply a corrupt decision.

Tyler Durden
14-05-2016, 08:06 AM
Yep. Too many poor results where the ref wasn't to blame.

We could have won another 4/5 games and still faced a play off with Falkirk

Waxy
14-05-2016, 08:07 AM
It was a scandalous call by the ref but refs arent the issue we havent went up, our crap results in the 2nd half of the season are

It is the issue though. For whenever success or failure comes down to one match. The helping hand comes out to keep us down.

Stokesy's on fire
14-05-2016, 08:09 AM
You need luck in any sport and Falkirk had it all including the ref blunders

HappyHanlon
14-05-2016, 08:10 AM
If you look at the stats over the 2 legs you'll see that it wasn't Muir's fault we lost. We could easily have missed that pen and it would probably still be the refs fault.

Chance after chance (story of our last two seasons sadly) missed. We've not utilised our set pieces effectively enough either. Just lump it in the box and watch Rodgers/Cuthbert/Langfield/Brown claim it without fuss or a proper challenge.

Allant1981
14-05-2016, 08:11 AM
It is the issue though. For whenever success or failure comes down to one match. The helping hand comes out to keep us down.

It should never have come to the play offs, we have the squad there to have won this league even with rangers in it, daft tactics and not knowing how to see out games has cost us

RoYO!
14-05-2016, 08:12 AM
Chris Sutton said he should never red again

JimBHibees
14-05-2016, 08:14 AM
If you look at the stats over the 2 legs you'll see that it wasn't Muir's fault we lost. We could easily have missed that pen and it would probably still be the refs fault.

Chance after chance (story of our last two seasons sadly) missed. We've not utilised our set pieces effectively enough either. Just lump it in the box and watch Rodgers/Cuthbert/Langfield/Brown claim it without fuss or a proper challenge.

Sorry we go 3 1 up the tie changes massively. Also not as bad a decision IMO but red card last night and we play against 10 men for an hour. No Hibs fan should be excusing particularly Muir's appalling decision.

JimBHibees
14-05-2016, 08:15 AM
Chris Sutton said he should never ref again

He is totally spot on.

Waxy
14-05-2016, 08:16 AM
Chris Sutton said he should never red again

He's not a ref he's an imposter.Good luck with his new career.

flash
14-05-2016, 08:23 AM
Refs aren't the reason that we've utterly failed in the league this season.

They are in this fixture. We were comfortably the better team in both games.
Yes our defensive frailties remain but we have been shafted in both games.

Spike Mandela
14-05-2016, 09:08 AM
......you're a cheating ****.

Sorry about the language used in this post I was a wee bit drunk last night, what I actually meant to say was.........****ing **** off Alan Muir you're a ****ing, ****ing, ****ing, ****ing, cheating ****ing **** and the devil spawn of the other ****ing cheating **** Craig ****ing Thomson.:greengrin

Tom Hart RIP
14-05-2016, 09:16 AM
There is no doubt the blatant penalty that was not given by him leaves a sour note to the play offs. Assuming we had scored the penalty and being 3-1 up and taken at the very least a one goal advantage into the second game it could have been a wholly different situation. Another SFA Referee who has been shown to be in my opinion- bent. He seen the Falkirk player put his hand on the ball then clear it up the park. Bent is the only word for him

In addition Craig Thompson elected not even to book the player who fouled James Keatings when being the last man and denying James a clear goal scoring opportunity. It should by the letter of the law a straight red card. When Stokes kicked the ball away Thompson immediately booked Stokes as it was by the letter of the law a straight yellow card for kicking the ball away. How then was a last man defender not sent off for a straight red card for denying James Keatings a clear goal scoring opportunity. James was clearly going to have a good clear sight of goal when he was fouled.

Do the SFA Referees have an agenda or is it the SFA who appoint these Referees who call the big blatant decisions wrongly and always the other way against the Hi bees.

If either of these two massive calls by firstly Muir and secondly by Thompson had been given correctly they would have changed the outcome.

Spot on. Add in Muirheads off the ball kicks at Henderson on Tursday and elbow on Mcginn last night.
Chris Sutton correct and according to BT sport Howard Webb couldn't believe my its incompetence

Argylehibby
14-05-2016, 11:26 AM
We were asked to win a game of football. We failed. Muir is a tit but so is stubbs

If we are to play to a set of defined rules so should our oponents. The refs in both ties award the decisions as they should have done given the rules then we are in the play off final and Stubbs is on the brink of promotion and a Scottish cup win. How does that make Stubbs on a par with Muir or Thomson?

HibsNutter
14-05-2016, 11:30 AM
We should have still gone on to win BUT..

You can't deny that he changed the course of the tie, we would have been 3-1 up and cruising if converted, with such high stakes how he got that wrong is unforgivable, he is a useless **** that should never referee a game of football again in his life.

Caversham Green
14-05-2016, 11:37 AM
Other than the red card I actually thought Thomson was faultless last night.

Regardless of how they performed you have to question the thought process (if 'thought' is the right word) behind appointing those two ahead of all the other referees in Scotland.

As it is Muir 'bottled' a huge decision and Thomson 'only' failed to send a player off with the bulk of the game to go. The refs aren't wholly to blame for our loss but they did play a significant part.

In mitigation re Thomson though, wasn't there recently a ruling that preventing a goal scoring opportunity will no longer be an automatic red card - don't know if that's taken effect yet.

21.05.2016
14-05-2016, 11:39 AM
Completely and utterly shafted in this tie by referees. However, it is naive to say the refs were the only reason we didn't go through, we didn't put away our chances are were once again soft at the back when high balls came in.

hibeerealist
14-05-2016, 11:44 AM
We should have still gone on to win BUT..

You can't deny that he changed the course of the tie, we would have been 3-1 up and cruising if converted, with such high stakes how he got that wrong is unforgivable, he is a useless **** that should never referee a game of football again in his life.

Ah but, we have been two in front of FO Falkirk before and tossed it away what has convinced you that we would have seen it out at 3-1? Soft and useless defence that has lost crap goals all season long!!!

HibsNutter
14-05-2016, 11:48 AM
Ah but, we have been two in front of FO Falkirk before and tossed it away what has convinced you that we would have seen it out at 3-1? Soft and useless defence that has lost crap goals all season long!!!

Doesn't matter, we should have had the opportunity to maintain a two goal lead again, whether you think we'd have still blown it is irrelevant, of course we still might have.

Tyler Durden
14-05-2016, 11:50 AM
Regardless of how they performed you have to question the thought process (if 'thought' is the right word) behind appointing those two ahead of all the other referees in Scotland.

As it is Muir 'bottled' a huge decision and Thomson 'only' failed to send a player off with the bulk of the game to go. The refs aren't wholly to blame for our loss but they did play a significant part.

In mitigation re Thomson though, wasn't there recently a ruling that preventing a goal scoring opportunity will no longer be an automatic red card - don't know if that's taken effect yet.

It hasn't taken effect, think it's from the Euros onwards.

Thomson didn't even book McCracken for the penalty! To suggest a shot from 7 yards out isn't a clear scoring chance is ludicrous

Caversham Green
14-05-2016, 12:03 PM
It hasn't taken effect, think it's from the Euros onwards.

Thomson didn't even book McCracken for the penalty! To suggest a shot from 7 yards out isn't a clear scoring chance is ludicrous

I thought that was probably the case tbh.

hibee62
14-05-2016, 12:09 PM
Regardless of how they performed you have to question the thought process (if 'thought' is the right word) behind appointing those two ahead of all the other referees in Scotland.

As it is Muir 'bottled' a huge decision and Thomson 'only' failed to send a player off with the bulk of the game to go. The refs aren't wholly to blame for our loss but they did play a significant part.

In mitigation re Thomson though, wasn't there recently a ruling that preventing a goal scoring opportunity will no longer be an automatic red card - don't know if that's taken effect yet.

I don't think it comes in until the summer and it was only if the defender didn't deliberately commit the foul. Deliberately denying a clear goalscoring opportunity will still be a straight red, and McCracken knew exactly what he was doing after Keatings got away from him...

basehibby
14-05-2016, 12:12 PM
Other than the red card I actually thought Thomson was faultless last night.

ahem - just a tiny wee blot on his copy book then! A blatant red card offence brushed over like it's a wee kick about for fun in the park - ****ing scandalous is what it is!

NB - he also ignored an assault on McGinn in the second half which was certainly a yellow cad offence.

I can understand that refs don't see everything - it's when they obviously DO see game changing episodes of cheating and choose to ignore them that I'm left scratching my head in horrified wonder.

dalkeith stu
14-05-2016, 12:14 PM
Regardless of how they performed you have to question the thought process (if 'thought' is the right word) behind appointing those two ahead of all the other referees in Scotland.

As it is Muir 'bottled' a huge decision and Thomson 'only' failed to send a player off with the bulk of the game to go. The refs aren't wholly to blame for our loss but they did play a significant part.

In mitigation re Thomson though, wasn't there recently a ruling that preventing a goal scoring opportunity will no longer be an automatic red card - don't know if that's taken effect yet.
Starts at the euros

Alex Trager
14-05-2016, 12:23 PM
Refs aren't the reason that we've utterly failed in the league this season.

Absolutely

Spike Mandela
14-05-2016, 12:32 PM
Refs aren't the reason that we've utterly failed in the league this season.

No, The Rangers excellent league form is the reason we failed in the league. Only a blind man could say the referee had no bearing on the reason why we failed in the playoffs.

Mango Man
14-05-2016, 12:46 PM
Even if we had got that penalty and made it 3-1, I'm pretty sure Falkirk would have done what was required to go through in the next leg anyway, fully aided by Hibs of course, they just seem to have something over us, the amount of late goals we lose against them is atrocious, draws against them feel like defeats, started with the semi last year.

They are kind of like the new Hearts for us.

SeanWilson
14-05-2016, 12:49 PM
Sorry about the language used in this post I was a wee bit drunk last night, what I actually meant to say was.........****ing **** off Alan Muir you're a ****ing, ****ing, ****ing, ****ing, cheating ****ing **** and the devil spawn of the other ****ing cheating **** Craig ****ing Thomson.:greengrin

:rotflmao::rotflmao:

Allant1981
14-05-2016, 01:16 PM
No, The Rangers excellent league form is the reason we failed in the league. Only a blind man could say the referee had no bearing on the reason why we failed in the playoffs.

If we had taken our chances though the ref wouldnt even have been getting spoken about. There is no one to blame here except stubbs and the players

hibee62
14-05-2016, 03:17 PM
Even if we had got that penalty and made it 3-1, I'm pretty sure Falkirk would have done what was required to go through in the next leg anyway, fully aided by Hibs of course, they just seem to have something over us, the amount of late goals we lose against them is atrocious, draws against them feel like defeats, started with the semi last year.

They are kind of like the new Hearts for us.

What if the guy had been sent off for the penalty last night? Thomson had his card out in seconds for stokes kicking the ball away but not even that for the penalty.

Mango Man
14-05-2016, 03:23 PM
What about a few weeks ago when we played them and were up 2 goals with 10 mins to go and they get a man sent off? 2-2.

hibee62
14-05-2016, 03:27 PM
What about a few weeks ago when we played them and were up 2 goals with 10 mins to go and they get a man sent off? 2-2.

We threw it away, yes. I believe that's the only occasion we threw away a 2 goal lead all season though? Given how well we played following the penalty last night do you think we would have thrown it away? We'll never know now.

Caversham Green
14-05-2016, 03:31 PM
What about a few weeks ago when we played them and were up 2 goals with 10 mins to go and they get a man sent off? 2-2.

So your point is that the referee not doing his job properly doesn't matter because we gave away a two goal lead in a different game?

JK Rolling
14-05-2016, 03:33 PM
If you look at the stats over the 2 legs you'll see that it wasn't Muir's fault we lost. We could easily have missed that pen and it would probably still be the refs fault.

Chance after chance (story of our last two seasons sadly) missed. We've not utilised our set pieces effectively enough either. Just lump it in the box and watch Rodgers/Cuthbert/Langfield/Brown claim it without fuss or a proper challenge.

Spot on mate.

JJP
14-05-2016, 03:34 PM
They are all west coast Rangers loving bigots who see us as easier to make these decisions against than Celtic because if they were to continuously **** over Celtic the way they have us they would be out of the game. Not saying they are doing it deliberately it is just the environment they have grown up in. Falkirk could have and should have had 4 straight red cards over the tie, 2 for McCracken alone. None given. We simply need to be better than other teams need to be to overcome these odds because if we employed Falkirks tactics in these games every single red card would be given.

Mango Man
14-05-2016, 04:23 PM
So your point is that the referee not doing his job properly doesn't matter because we gave away a two goal lead in a different game?

No, the point was more the fact that we create more problems for ourselves than refs do, we had more than enough chances to finish Falkirk off over 2 legs without the need for the refs to make the correct calls, of course you would think it would have probably helped us, but this is Hibs.

hibee62
14-05-2016, 04:28 PM
No, the point was more the fact that we create more problems for ourselves than refs do, we had more than enough chances to finish Falkirk off over 2 legs without the need for the refs to make the correct calls, of course you would think it would have probably helped us, but this is Hibs.

Regardless of how well we played we still put ourselves in a position to win the tie, that was changed by 2 referees!

Caversham Green
14-05-2016, 04:35 PM
No, the point was more the fact that we create more problems for ourselves than refs do, we had more than enough chances to finish Falkirk off over 2 legs without the need for the refs to make the correct calls, of course you would think it would have probably helped us, but this is Hibs.

A penalty at 2-1 in the first leg and a sending off with an hour to go in the second leg would undoubtedly have helped us, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise. In fact I would go so far as to say that with adequate refereeing we would be through to play Killie but Muir and Thomson let us down and that's what this thread is about. I think there's another thread somewhere about the shortcomings of the club.

Mango Man
14-05-2016, 04:35 PM
It certainly didn't help, I'm just saying knowing Hibs, we more than likely would have found a way to turn that advantage against us, it's all hearsay now, just can't think of anything Positive regarding Hibs at the moment, the worst thing is, this is the best squad we have had in years.

Caversham Green
14-05-2016, 04:41 PM
It certainly didn't help, I'm just saying knowing Hibs, we more than likely would have found a way to turn that advantage against us, it's all hearsay now, just can't think of anything Positive regarding Hibs at the moment, the worst thing is, this is the best squad we have had in years.

Well that's a positive.

Another one is that we're in a cup final against a team that we are capable of beating next week.

Alfred E Newman
14-05-2016, 05:05 PM
It certainly didn't help, I'm just saying knowing Hibs, we more than likely would have found a way to turn that advantage against us, it's all hearsay now, just can't think of anything Positive regarding Hibs at the moment, the worst thing is, this is the best squad we have had in years.

It is a great squad on paper but unfortunately is full of dodgy goalkeepers,defenders who can't defend a simple lump into the box, wide players who can't cross the ball , midfield players who are continually carrying injuries and strikers who can't score.

Mango Man
14-05-2016, 05:49 PM
Well that's a positive.

Another one is that we're in a cup final against a team that we are capable of beating next week.

It is a positive, but look where we are! It's bizarre. I actually haven't been happier with a manager and squad for years and would like Stubbs to stay. I have no idea why the devastating results still continue.

If we could win next week, then of course that would be a positive, christ, it would be a miracle. Sure, we have beat The Rangers a couple of times this season, it's just when it comes to the real crunch, we crumble, as I'm sure you are aware.

We'll see.

Mikey09
14-05-2016, 06:14 PM
You couldn't make this **** up when it comes to Hibs and game changing decisions. Remember this is a guy who let an assault "go" on Sparky in that final. A guy who couldn't point to the spot quickly enough in that game sending the player off. There are sooooooooo many brutal decisions that have gone against us it's embarrassing!! Muir's decision not to award a penalty was bad enough however I'm more concerned about Thomson not sending McCracken off at the penalty. Odds are with an hour to play in my opinion we would have won comfortably. McCracken must have photos of Scottish officials up to something for him to escape twice in succession... As for the poster calling Stubbs a tit have a word wi yerself. :rolleyes:

NAE NOOKIE
14-05-2016, 06:15 PM
Hibs shortcomings notwithstanding its the refs JOB to apply the rules of the game as directed by the powers that be, getting it wrong can cost a club millions of pounds.

The handball in the first leg was a no brainer for any ref and yet the clown didn't give it.

As others have pointed out Thomson had no hesitation in booking Stokes last night for kicking the ball away, even though he clearly wouldn't be giving Hibs an advantage by time wasting as we were 1 - 0 down at the time ..... how is it then that a ref with such a letter of the law attitude doesn't even book a player for a last man tackle?

He had a clear view of a deliberate lunge on a Hibs player ( McGeouch? ) that left him sprawled on the ground and kept his cards in his pocket .... he watched a Falkirk player lead with his forearm on Logan leaving him injured and did nothing. He watched McGinn get a smack in the mouth off the ball, again no action.

Hibs might be culpable ......but lets not pretend the loss of this tie was all to do with our mistakes, we have a right to be aggrieved IMO.

Tom Hart RIP
14-05-2016, 06:30 PM
I still can't believe that Thomson did not send off McCracken. That was a worse decision than Muirs. There can be no explanation for why he didn't do so

SquashedFrogg
14-05-2016, 06:50 PM
We could have won another 4/5 games and still faced a play off with Falkirk

This :agree:

Gutted - yes
Overreacting - no