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magnificent_seven
10-05-2016, 08:37 PM
Referee had a perfect view. What do we need to do to get a bit of bloody luck!?

Score the penalty and we are 3-1 up. A healthy lead.

Wonder what that "poor me poor me" t!t Houston will have to say about the incident?

Bostonhibby
10-05-2016, 08:39 PM
Robbed pure and simple too much of a coincidence

Captain Trips
10-05-2016, 08:39 PM
Disgraceful

Time For Heroes
10-05-2016, 08:39 PM
Logan had less of a howler :greengrin
Can't believe that isnt a penalty

Joe6-2
10-05-2016, 08:39 PM
Referee had a perfect view. What do we need to do to get a bit of bloody luck!?

Score the penalty and we are 3-1 up. A healthy lead.

Wonder what that "poor me poor me" t!t Houston will have to say about the incident?
You can't call blatant cheating 'luck'

sleeping giant
10-05-2016, 08:40 PM
I cannot see how he could not see that.

Cheshire Hibby
10-05-2016, 08:41 PM
You will never see a more clear case of deliberate handball. Referee has some explaining to do!

#FromTheCapital
10-05-2016, 08:41 PM
Is there any way that player can be punished retrospectively before the return leg? Blatant cheating to gain an advantage.

HibsMax
10-05-2016, 08:41 PM
Two hand balls within 2 seconds and the ref is right there. Once might be an accident but twice? And who cares, the player got an advantage. Twice.

Fergus52
10-05-2016, 08:41 PM
He didn't want to give it cause of Houston's repeated comments about our penalty.

If he's that weak and pathetic then he shouldn't be a referee.

AL-Qaholik
10-05-2016, 08:41 PM
Had a clear view - he simply made a conscious decision not to give it. Can only be called cheating. There really is no other word for it.

magnificent_seven
10-05-2016, 08:42 PM
You can't call blatant cheating 'luck'

Cheating is the only explanation for it. I am not exaggerating when j say that must be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen in my life.

Hope he gets absolutely slaughtered by the SFA. Somehow I doubt it though.

Peevemor
10-05-2016, 08:42 PM
He handled it twice. Incredibly bad refereeing.

Hibspirational
10-05-2016, 08:42 PM
Wonder what that "poor me poor me" t!t Houston will have to say about the incident?

Probably the only other person not to see it!

johnbc70
10-05-2016, 08:43 PM
Something needs done about the very poor standards of refereeing in this country - but it will be ignored and will continue as it always is.

Fergus52
10-05-2016, 08:43 PM
McCracken would have been sent off as well. Suspending him for the next leg and making Falkirk have to see the game out with ten men.

The whole match being completely ruined by incompetent officials yet again.

easty
10-05-2016, 08:43 PM
He managed to see Cummings hand ball it in the first half, even though it was off his chest....then he doesn't see this one when he's looking right at it.

Arse hole.

chasitup
10-05-2016, 08:44 PM
There isn't even a decision to be made, it's clear to see. Chris Sutton called it when he said the ref's just guessing now when he booked McGinn. Another dreadful performance from another incompetent referee. :grr: It's happening too often. I hope Hibs make more out of it like Houston does.

darwenhibby
10-05-2016, 08:44 PM
Did he ref the game a few years ago when yogi was their manager and all sorts going on

Scorrie
10-05-2016, 08:44 PM
I reckon the ref cheated. Blatantly cheated. No other excuse really

ArmadaleHibs
10-05-2016, 08:44 PM
Not just a handball. A DELIBERATE handball. The player knew what he was doing, so much so he was laughing at the end of the game. But worst of all, the referee seen that and never gave it. Another woefully incompetent refereeing performance.

crieffhibee
10-05-2016, 08:45 PM
Thats one of the worsy decisions wel see in football.in our lifes

sleeping giant
10-05-2016, 08:45 PM
I reckon the ref cheated. Blatantly cheated. No other excuse really

Hard to disagree .

Fergus52
10-05-2016, 08:46 PM
I'd like to see Stubbs really have a go and challenge the ref in his interview.

For far too long we've just ate up all the **** dealt to us from officials, we need to show some backbone when they cheat us out of important games.

ALF TUPPER
10-05-2016, 08:46 PM
Defo was a penalty and red card.
Shocking. !

ArmadaleHibs
10-05-2016, 08:47 PM
The player has just said live on tv that it wasn't deliberate. Omfg. I'm no havin that

Albion Hibs
10-05-2016, 08:47 PM
Referee had a perfect view. What do we need to do to get a bit of bloody luck!?

Score the penalty and we are 3-1 up. A healthy lead.

Wonder what that "poor me poor me" t!t Houston will have to say about the incident?

not only 3-1 but surely they are down to ten men for what looked like a deliberate handball.

Victor Park
10-05-2016, 08:49 PM
Doesnt have to be deliberate.

Ref BOTTLED it big time.

Sergio sledge
10-05-2016, 08:49 PM
Cheating is the only explanation for it. I am not exaggerating when j say that must be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen in my life.

Hope he gets absolutely slaughtered by the SFA. Somehow I doubt it though.
Definitely one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. Absolutely shocking! Houston got what he wanted though, complain enough and weak refs are uncertain and scared to give decisions against you.

Jim44
10-05-2016, 08:51 PM
The referee proved that he is corrupt by not giving the penalty. He was ten yards away and couldn't have failed to see it. We have little chance of winnng this tie when clearly the officials will do their best to prevent it. If I were the SFA ( or whatever the corrupt institution now calls itself ) observer, I would make sure he didn't get to referee another senior game. Even the tv producer showed the incident at least six times and Chris Sutton was ranting about the injustice. Unless we take them apart on Friday and score freely, we have no chance of winning.

Cheshire Hibby
10-05-2016, 08:51 PM
Stuart Lovell says not deliberate handball. Pl....r!

Pretty Boy
10-05-2016, 08:52 PM
Complete incompetence or blatant cheating.

There's no middle ground imo and either should be severely punished. Utterly bewildering decision.

ArmadaleHibs
10-05-2016, 08:52 PM
Apparently not a hand ball say the bt sports pundits. I'm gobsmacked. Cheating of the highest order

Septimus
10-05-2016, 08:53 PM
Probably the first time he handled it it was not deliberate. The second time it clearly was.

Sioux
10-05-2016, 08:53 PM
That decision could cost us promotion. Could there ever be as bad a decision that might have so much impact on a team?

hibee_girl
10-05-2016, 08:54 PM
No defender ever means to hand the ball in the box, whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it.

It's a penalty.

Sunshine Scott
10-05-2016, 08:54 PM
Disgraceful so it is.

marinello59
10-05-2016, 08:54 PM
The worst decision I have seen at ER since the Sparky goal that never was.

Joe6-2
10-05-2016, 08:54 PM
Cheating is the only explanation for it. I am not exaggerating when j say that must be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen in my life.

Hope he gets absolutely slaughtered by the SFA. Somehow I doubt it though.
No chance of that happening!

hibee_girl
10-05-2016, 08:55 PM
Houston saying he's not seen it but that it evens it up from our penalty in October :grr:

Fergus52
10-05-2016, 08:56 PM
Apparently not a hand ball say the bt sports pundits. I'm gobsmacked. Cheating of the highest order

wtf!? what was their justification?

the commentator and summariser were completely certain.

California-Hibs
10-05-2016, 08:56 PM
Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. We get that and score, it's 3-1, the Falkirk heads are down, and we have a very strong hold of the tie.

Don't read into the 2-2 score line guys, we were cheated tonight!

chasitup
10-05-2016, 08:58 PM
Houston saying he's not seen it but that it evens it up from our penalty in October :grr:
Completely ignoring the fact that the penalty in October should have been given 10 seconds earlier for the blatant foul. Evening things up? GTF Houston you absolute walloper!

ArmadaleHibs
10-05-2016, 08:59 PM
If you think that was a bad refereeing decision, you will be glad to know that one Craig Thomson is refereeing the second leg. Here we go

Jim44
10-05-2016, 09:00 PM
Apparently not a hand ball say the bt sports pundits. I'm gobsmacked. Cheating of the highest order

Well their BT colleague, Chris Sutton, was ranting about the corrupt decision.

givescotlandfreedom
10-05-2016, 09:00 PM
Completely ignoring the fact that the penalty in October should have been given 10 seconds earlier for the blatant foul. Evening things up? GTF Houston you absolute walloper!

Or the stone waller we should have had in Falkirk or the red card mcginn got that was rescinded at ER. The referee is a cheat and so is Houston. Utter ****ing ****

Bristolhibby
10-05-2016, 09:01 PM
This wouldn't be Hibs if we'd have blown Falkirk away. We have to work for our corn.

J

ArmadaleHibs
10-05-2016, 09:01 PM
Well their BT colleague, Chris Sutton, was ranting about the corrupt decision.

Yes he was, but McCall, Lovell & craigan say no penalty. Unreal

hibsbollah
10-05-2016, 09:03 PM
I couldn't believe what I was watching.

nairn hibee
10-05-2016, 09:04 PM
wtf!? what was their justification?

the commentator and summariser were completely certain.radio Scotland guys can't believe it wasn't a pen ,saying it should have been 2 pens in 5 seconds ,Tom English saying it was the most bizarre incident he ever seen

One Day Soon
10-05-2016, 09:05 PM
Yes he was, but McCall, Lovell & craigan say no penalty. Unreal

On the basis of where the defenders eyes appear to be looking after watching multiple replays. The referee did not have that benefit. It is cheating pure and simple. There is simply no other logical explanation.

And BTW what are Hibs doing accepting the appointment of Thomson for one of the biggest games in our history?

TRC
10-05-2016, 09:08 PM
Doesnt have to be deliberate.

Ref BOTTLED it big time.

Bottled it nah he cheated plain and simple he looks right at it! There is no explination other than he cheated

Waxy
10-05-2016, 09:08 PM
I really cant see how he'll be allowed to referee again.

pontius pilate
10-05-2016, 09:10 PM
Yes he was, but McCall, Lovell & craigan say no penalty. Unreal

Craigan was unsure and McCall called it as a own he jokingly went back on it when he found out Sutton was fuming it wasn't given

kevo1875
10-05-2016, 09:12 PM
The only reason he can have for not giving a penalty is that he didn't want to give hibs one..cheating b.....d

hibsbollah
10-05-2016, 09:12 PM
And BTW what are Hibs doing accepting the appointment of Thomson for one of the biggest games in our history?

We've avoided him for awhile now. It was inevitably going to come, we've had about ten massive games already this season. If we play well enough it won't matter who the ref is.

SouthMoroccoStu
10-05-2016, 09:13 PM
That decision could cost us promotion. Could there ever be as bad a decision that might have so much impact on a team?

As bad a decision as Thierry Henry's handball against Ireland in the World Cup play off game

I wonder if FIFA will give us a big hush money pay off.....

Hibee Mac
10-05-2016, 09:13 PM
I've never been so pi***d off after a game of football. I don't mind a strong 50/50 decision but that was blantant cheating theres no other way of putting it.

If that comes back to haunt us....jeez I don't even want to think about it!

Mr White
10-05-2016, 09:15 PM
We've avoided him for awhile now. It was inevitably going to come, we've had about ten massive games already this season. If we play well enough it won't matter who the ref is.

Thomson reffed the 2-2 draw at tynecastle in February.

One Day Soon
10-05-2016, 09:18 PM
We've avoided him for awhile now. It was inevitably going to come, we've had about ten massive games already this season. If we play well enough it won't matter who the ref is.

What happens if we play well enough and Falkirk do as well? Thomson's track record shows he cards our players more than our opponents and gives the opposition penalties and free kicks. In a tight contest - which this should be - he's easily the decider. And while we have had big games this season next week is sudden death, there's no evening it up over the season.

SouthMoroccoStu
10-05-2016, 09:25 PM
Can you imagine this decision effecting one of the Old Firm?

News paper outcry for weeks and the referee suspended indefinitely

hibsbollah
10-05-2016, 09:25 PM
Thomson reffed the 2-2 draw at tynecastle in February.

Weve had the return leg, two cup semis, one cup final and a Huns game and the 2-2 Falkirk game as well as the last weekend decider since then. All 'cup final' type massive games. I know it's laughable but Hes one of our top 4 refs so we were due the cheating **** soon.

Victor Park
10-05-2016, 09:26 PM
No defender ever means to hand the ball in the box, whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it.

It's a penalty.

Exactly!!!

Liam89
10-05-2016, 09:28 PM
The referee clearly cheated. He was right in front of it with a clear view. Unless he ****ing sneezed at that time and had his eyes closed he should be demoted to junior football. His decision could cost us promotion.

underscore
10-05-2016, 09:29 PM
Its the easiest decision to make. Im 40 yards away and i can see him actually moving the ball with his hand.

givescotlandfreedom
10-05-2016, 09:30 PM
Can you imagine this decision effecting one of the Old Firm?

News paper outcry for weeks and the referee suspended indefinitely

I think it's the same one as was involved in the Celtc - Ross County semi and they still go on about it.

Callum_62
10-05-2016, 09:32 PM
alan muir...why was he even reffin a game of this importance?

http://videocelts.com/2015/10/blogs/latest-news/why-there-must-be-no-more-alan-muir

It is one of the worst calls ive ever seen. I thought maybe his view was obstructed- but seen from camera in west he cant not have seen it

Billy Whizz
10-05-2016, 09:36 PM
Was at the game do haven't seen it again, any videos of the incidents

Jim44
10-05-2016, 09:39 PM
On the basis of where the defenders eyes appear to be looking after watching multiple replays. The referee did not have that benefit. It is cheating pure and simple. There is simply no other logical explanation.

And BTW what are Hibs doing accepting the appointment of Thomson for one of the biggest games in our history?

It's outrageous that a muppet, who is unequivocal and openly public about the team he supports, is allowed to control the fate of a team he absolutely detests. The last time I saw him, he was sitting in the Hearts dugout at the Hearts Motherwell Youth Cup Final. As I said in another thread, unless we take them apart by scoring freely on Friday, corruption will stifle any chance we have. No not paranoia, sickening realism!!

Mr White
10-05-2016, 09:41 PM
Weve had the return leg, two cup semis, one cup final and a Huns game and the 2-2 Falkirk game as well as the last weekend decider since then. All 'cup final' type massive games. I know it's laughable but Hes one of our top 4 refs so we were due the cheating **** soon.
St johnstone semi was the week before the 2 2 draw

Kavinho
10-05-2016, 09:41 PM
The worst decision I have seen at ER since the Sparky goal that never was.

The double st mirren handball?

poolman
10-05-2016, 09:42 PM
No defender ever means to hand the ball in the box, whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it.

It's a penalty.

The thing is if he didn't mean it he would have immediately took his hand of the ball but he is clearly seen rolling his hand on the ball in the direction where he wants it to go

IT'S A PENALTY

21.05.2016
10-05-2016, 09:42 PM
Referee had a perfect view. What do we need to do to get a bit of bloody luck!?

Score the penalty and we are 3-1 up. A healthy lead.

Wonder what that "poor me poor me" t!t Houston will have to say about the incident?

He conviniently "never saw it" :rolleyes: then proceeded with his usual "oh but but last year hibs got an unfair penalty". Horrible bitter hearts ****

Mr White
10-05-2016, 09:42 PM
The double st mirren handball?

Rangers second goal last march had a similar WTF just happened feel to it.

Pretty Boy
10-05-2016, 09:43 PM
Just seen it on TV now.

Absolute stonewaller, how anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me. I was screaming for it at the game and am even more angry now. A truly terrible decision.

.Louise.
10-05-2016, 09:44 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160510/b2b63b8f863b6890e26986e8d2ddb0cb.jpg

Colr
10-05-2016, 09:44 PM
Referee had a perfect view. What do we need to do to get a bit of bloody luck!?

Score the penalty and we are 3-1 up. A healthy lead.

Wonder what that "poor me poor me" t!t Houston will have to say about the incident?
Not just the ref. There are 4 officials at the game!

Craig_in_Prague
10-05-2016, 09:47 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160510/b2b63b8f863b6890e26986e8d2ddb0cb.jpg

And Lovell says he doesn't look at the ball.

Bitter wee phanny

I Hope to god we win on Friday and this moment doesn't hurt us. Could set us back years.

hibsbollah
10-05-2016, 09:49 PM
St johnstone semi was the week before the 2 2 draw

Still, the point stands. We have to accept well get Thomson from time to time, unless we make an unprecedented stand and publically accuse him of being a cheat while providing the relevant stats.

rotherhamrob
10-05-2016, 09:50 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160510/b2b63b8f863b6890e26986e8d2ddb0cb.jpg

According to BT commentators it wasn't a penalty because he wasn't looking at it,as we can see he clearly is.
By the way if that was the rule then all ay player has to do is close his eyes.

AlbertK86
10-05-2016, 09:51 PM
https://twitter.com/HibsOfficial/status/730136219280134145?s=08

Sutton says pen

AlbertK86
10-05-2016, 09:53 PM
https://twitter.com/HibsOfficial/status/730136219280134145?s=08 Sutton says pen

Sorry wrong tweet

https://twitter.com/McBookie/status/730129886426304513?s=08

Mr White
10-05-2016, 09:54 PM
Still, the point stands. We have to accept well get Thomson from time to time, unless we make an unprecedented stand and publically accuse him of being a cheat while providing the relevant stats.

Sorry I thought the point you made was that he hadn't reffed any of our big 10 games this season. I suspect he'll do a better job than alan muir did tonight.

heid the baw
10-05-2016, 09:55 PM
In Hibs first attack, Cummings twists his body whilst jumping and cushions a long ball with his chest, takes the momentum out the ball and controls it skilfully. The ref gives it as a handball, probably because he s too far away or unsighted and obviously thinks that Cummings does not have the technique to pull off that move.

In the penalty incident he has a clear view of the player placing his hand on top of the ball and waves play on.

The standard of officiating is abysmal. Skill punished and game changing decisions not given.

There were also a lot of other bad calls for both sides tonight.

HibsNutter
10-05-2016, 09:57 PM
I place no fault for the result on the team, with a competent referee the tie would be over. I can't believe what I've seen. I never blame officials.

Sprouleflyer
10-05-2016, 09:59 PM
Sorry wrong tweet

https://twitter.com/McBookie/status/730129886426304513?s=08

He stops the ball rolling away from him first, then drags the ball in the opposite direction with his hand.

Stonewaller all day long.

CmoantheHibs
10-05-2016, 10:01 PM
According to BT commentators it wasn't a penalty because he wasn't looking at it,as we can see he clearly is.
By the way if that was the rule then all ay player has to do is close his eyes.

Apparently thats the refs job.

OsloHibs
10-05-2016, 10:02 PM
It makes me sick that nothing will happen to that referee.

givescotlandfreedom
10-05-2016, 10:03 PM
Sorry wrong tweet

https://twitter.com/McBookie/status/730129886426304513?s=08

Total cheat

Gatecrasher
10-05-2016, 10:08 PM
Hibs should do a Celtic and kick up such a fuss, we're always too quiet when it comes to stuff like this. That decision is a joke.

Booked4Being-Ugly
10-05-2016, 10:11 PM
Hibs should do a Celtic and kick up such a fuss, we're always too quiet when it comes to stuff like this. That decision is a joke.They should, that incompetence could cost us another season in this league!

HibsNutter
10-05-2016, 10:14 PM
Tie over if that cheating **** hadn't done that. What possessed him not to give it? I really have no idea. Complete ****ing joke.:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

NadeAteMyLunch!
10-05-2016, 10:14 PM
Still can't believe it. Utterly furious [emoji35][emoji35][emoji35]

mikewynne
10-05-2016, 10:15 PM
The worst decision I have seen at ER since the Sparky goal that never was.

Agree. 100%

madhatter
10-05-2016, 10:18 PM
This will go nowhere as our football is governed by people who support Rangers and have a deep seated hatred of Celtic and us probably due to a religious stance that they don't fully understand as they are atheists but it seems right in their head. That handball is a scandalous decision and was seen on BT Sport for viewers outside Scotland. How can we possibly make our game seem at the very least reasonable if that is the sort of stuff that goes on?

I would forgive him if it was a deflection or if he didn't have a great view but he blatantly just watched the player roll the ball with his hand

That referee is a cheat, full stop.

Will we see retrospective action for cheating? Come on SFA, show your true colours, blue is the colour after all isn't it?

adhibs
10-05-2016, 10:22 PM
not even surprised that a ref hasnt given us a penalty for that.

should be kicking up as big a fuss as possible and calling for muir to be sacked tomorrow. cheat, no other explanation.

Alfred E Newman
10-05-2016, 10:24 PM
Yes he was, but McCall, Lovell & craigan say no penalty. Unreal

Every one of the Sportsound team were saying it was a penalty and also the follow up on Henderson.

Swedish hibee
10-05-2016, 10:24 PM
Utterly shocking decision.

Andy74
10-05-2016, 10:27 PM
It was a penalty but then again I think Lewis got away with one in the first half.

madhatter
10-05-2016, 10:27 PM
Anybody got footage of the kick on Henderson?

Danderhall Hibs
10-05-2016, 10:29 PM
It was a penalty but then again I think Lewis got away with one in the first half.

What was that for again Andy?

RoYO!
10-05-2016, 10:30 PM
Retrospective red card??

broondog
10-05-2016, 10:31 PM
cheating pure and simple

Jim44
10-05-2016, 10:31 PM
I place no fault for the result on the team, with a competent referee the tie would be over. I can't believe what I've seen. I never blame officials.

Why can't you believe what you've seen? You've seen a person with a clear, undisputable view of an incident, pretending that he has seen something else. Why do you not find fault in his corruption?

O'Rourke3
10-05-2016, 10:33 PM
It was a penalty but then again I think Lewis got away with one in the first half.

Struggling to think of any incident where we got off with one? Was it the time Lewis didn't get rid in the corner? My view was as usual, Falkirk player dived looking for something. Miller certainly did for the free kick that led to the goal. Going over as soon as the pass was hit....

Billy Whizz
10-05-2016, 10:35 PM
Struggling to think of any incident where we got off with one? Was it the time Lewis didn't get rid in the corner? My view was as usual, Falkirk player dived looking for something. Miller certainly did for the free kick that led to the goal. Going over as soon as the pass was hit....

Think he meant the attack in the 1st half where Baird gets in front, and Lewis makes a challenge on him. Haven't seen it again, but the fact that Houston didn't mention it, tells its own story

jodjam
10-05-2016, 10:35 PM
Any official or media pundit tonight who thinks that is not a penalty is in the wrong profession

Kavinho
10-05-2016, 10:36 PM
Struggling to think of any incident where we got off with one? Was it the time Lewis didn't get rid in the corner? My view was as usual, Falkirk player dived looking for something. Miller certainly did for the free kick that led to the goal. Going over as soon as the pass was hit....

There was one on the edge of the box on the first half Stevenson clipped a guy, with Gray covering

O'Rourke3
10-05-2016, 10:37 PM
Think he meant the attack in the 1st half where Baird gets in front, and Lewis makes a challenge on him. Haven't seen it again, but the fact that Houston didn't mention it, tells its own story

Cheers but not ringing any bells and I wasn't drinking..... There wasn't a single challenge I saw tonight I thought.....whew. I'll watch the game again tomorrow.

Andy74
10-05-2016, 10:38 PM
What was that for again Andy?

24th minute. Seen the replay and Stevenson catches Baird. Looks in the box and could easily have been a penalty and a red.

SJM
10-05-2016, 10:39 PM
It's sickening. The exact type if ***** that alway goes against us. Right in front of his very eyes ffs. Houston then mentions October forgetting we should have has a pen right before that, McGinnis wrong sending off and him being a baldy heided arsewipe. Our whole season now almost depends on Friday. Dreading it in amongst them.

Kavinho
10-05-2016, 10:42 PM
24th minute. Seen the replay and Stevenson catches Baird. Looks in the box and could easily have been a penalty and a red.
thought it was outside myself and Gray was covering

Booked4Being-Ugly
10-05-2016, 10:43 PM
Think he meant the attack in the 1st half where Baird gets in front, and Lewis makes a challenge on him. Haven't seen it again, but the fact that Houston didn't mention it, tells its own storyIf it is then it was a nothing incident. The Falkirk player went to ground too easy, there was f'k all in it.

Danderhall Hibs
10-05-2016, 10:43 PM
24th minute. Seen the replay and Stevenson catches Baird. Looks in the box and could easily have been a penalty and a red.

Cheers. I can't remember it - hopefully the highlights will include it.

I can't remember the kick on Henderson after the handball either though!

Andy74
10-05-2016, 10:45 PM
If it is then it was a nothing incident. The Falkirk player went to ground too easy, there was f'k all in it.

And Falkirk fans are probably saying their defender was on the ground looking the other way...

snooky
10-05-2016, 10:46 PM
Never a pen. Ball played the man. :stirrer:


Seriously, I can't find any excuses for the ref for missing that - and believe me I've tried.
He apparently told Stubbs that he didn't see it. (Great advert for their sponsers, BTW).
If the ref says he didn't see that handball then he is seriously visually impaired or a blatant liar.

How many really bad refereeing decisions have cost us dearly compared to the ones that have benefitted us?

Real Emerald
10-05-2016, 10:48 PM
It was a penalty but then again I think Lewis got away with one in the first half.

Not seen it on TV but all around us were muttering the same. Would have been soft but it looked like a pen to us too. The decisions Falkirk got in the game were in a different league to that though, just shocking, if that means anything :dunno:

Booked4Being-Ugly
10-05-2016, 10:49 PM
And Falkirk fans are probably saying their defender was on the ground looking the other way...Photos etc on here show he wasn't though!

snooky
10-05-2016, 10:52 PM
24th minute. Seen the replay and Stevenson catches Baird. Looks in the box and could easily have been a penalty and a red.

IIRC it was just outside the box, but I may be mistaken.
I thought the ref was doing okay up to the hand ball pen. incident after which he completely lost it. The McGinn booking being a perfect example. The commentator said the ref had probably guessed what had happened. Well, if he did, he guessed wrong.

Peevemor
10-05-2016, 10:54 PM
Photos etc on here show he wasn't though!

He handled the ball twice. The first time the guy was sliding along the deck and couldn't have done much about it. The second time was as he was getting up. I don't think he meant it but it was more than a fleeting contact and he definitely gained an advantage.

Real Emerald
10-05-2016, 10:56 PM
Never a pen. Ball played the man. :stirrer:


Seriously, I can't find any excuses for the ref for missing that - and believe me I've tried.
He apparently told Stubbs that he didn't see it. (Great advert for their sponsers, BTW).
If the ref says he didn't see that handball then he is seriously visually impaired or a blatant liar.

How many really bad refereeing decisions have cost us dearly compared to the ones that have benefitted us?

Funnily enough Rangers and Hearts don't seem to have this problem because they're in the box more than us!!! We get one dodgy penalty (straight after one that wasn't given) at Falkirk earlier in the season and the BBC are interviewing the Falkirk fans at half time about it. It's been cast up all f..... season. Just about had it with this now, all we want is a level playing field, or maybe get the slope back at ER :greengrin Really sick of it now.

Callum_62
10-05-2016, 10:57 PM
And Falkirk fans are probably saying their defender was on the ground looking the other way...

whats this myth about him looking the other way?

hes clearly looking right at the ball, and rolls its towards himself

This pesh S Lovell is peddling about not knowing where his eyes were, or its not deliberate, or where else can he put his hand?

Why did he need to put his right hand on the ball?

His left was on the ground and he could've used that as leverage to get up

he chose to ground his right hand on the ball and move it towards him as it favoured his team -would Henderson or Mcginn got back to the ball otherwise?

Regardless, its about a clear a pen as ive ever seen....and if the ref said he didnt see it, then pictures clearly show that he was either lying, or he had his eyes closed.

Either which says he shouldn't be refereeing at this level

hibsbollah
10-05-2016, 10:58 PM
24th minute. Seen the replay and Stevenson catches Baird. Looks in the box and could easily have been a penalty and a red.

Wrong. Tv showed it clearly outside the box and Gray covering would have made a Red extremely harsh. It should have been a foul in a dangerous position for Falkirk and a booking, so yes, we got away with one there.

However, nowhere NEAR the scandal that we had to witness. Still can't believe it.

underscore
10-05-2016, 11:02 PM
16495

Hibee Mac
10-05-2016, 11:03 PM
Still can't believe it, we played them off the park second half and because of this we find ourselves with a draw!

Dunbar Hibee
10-05-2016, 11:06 PM
Cheating *******s. Really getting sick of it now. It's every bloody week.

snooky
10-05-2016, 11:08 PM
.......
Either which says he shouldn't be refereeing at this level

Ahem, any level. :cool2:

Jim44
10-05-2016, 11:09 PM
My anger and disgust at the blatant corruption is slowly abating and I'm approaching the nervious laughter stage. You can't win against these cheating barstewards.

NAE NOOKIE
10-05-2016, 11:10 PM
As clear a penalty as you will ever see .... I had a perfect view from the FF and the guy moves the ball away from the direction of the Hibs players quite deliberately, it looked to me as if the ref was in a perfect position to see it too. He then books McGinn for a challenge he had his back to and couldn't possibly have seen, not unlike the handball against Cummings where he was in no position to be certain there had been a hand ball either.

If I was Hibs I would be on to the bookies to check for suspicious betting patterns on tonights game ...... is Mr Muir in debt I wonder?

Spike Mandela
10-05-2016, 11:12 PM
Celtic demanded an SFA explanation for Alan Muir missing the obvious hand ball in the semi final. We should politely enquire why he has missed an equally obvious one tonight.

I would like to think it wasn't for any blatant sectarian comparison and rather the outing of a clearly substandard incompetent official but you really never know with the level of cover up and corruption at the SFA.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/20/celtic-sfa-explanation-scottish-cup-referee

Stokesy's on fire
10-05-2016, 11:13 PM
We have now built up a pretty good log of terrible refereeing decisions which have costs us hugely. Alan muir is not fit for purpose he's a dodgy hoooooooor

Stokesy's on fire
10-05-2016, 11:14 PM
Celtic demanded an SFA explanation for Alan Muir missing the obvious hand ball in the semi final. We should politely enquire why he has missed an equally obvious one tonight.

I would like to think it wasn't for any blatant sectarian comparison and rather the outing of a clearly substandard incompetent official but you really never know with the level of cover up and corruption at the SFA.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/20/celtic-sfa-explanation-scottish-cup-referee


We should also demand an explanation

HibsNutter
10-05-2016, 11:16 PM
I'm pretty sure one of their players handballed in the lead up to their freekick which led to the first goal. McGregor was booked because booking both players was the easiest way out for the referee. McGinn looked to have been booked despite the Falkirk player going in on him with two feet. Can anyone who was watching on tele clarify?

Thecat23
10-05-2016, 11:16 PM
Sorry you don't miss these decisions, not when you are in line looking at it. The fact he used the ball to get up onto his feet with his hand takes away any crap about him not looking. It never bounced off him or that, he ****ing rolled it away from the player while using it to get up as well.

That isn't being a bad ref, for once I think it's safe to say it was cheating. He never wanted to give us anything.

Cool_Hand_Luke
10-05-2016, 11:17 PM
As clear a penalty as you will ever see .... I had a perfect view from the FF and the guy moves the ball away from the direction of the Hibs players quite deliberately, it looked to me as if the ref was in a perfect position to see it too. He then books McGinn for a challenge he had his back to and couldn't possibly have seen, not unlike the handball against Cummings where he was in no position to be certain there had been a hand ball either.

If I was Hibs I would be on to the bookies to check for suspicious betting patterns on tonights game ...... is Mr Muir in debt I wonder?

Not that I particularly want to defend the ref in anyway...but this was possibly on the advice of the 4th official...he appeared to be getting a bit of stick from the players at the incident. From where I was...the way the Falkirk player went in was more of a booking than anything McGinn done...

iwasthere1972
10-05-2016, 11:56 PM
I was at the match but didn't see it from my vantage point in the east stand. Just watched the replay and have to say that's a shocking decision. Crazy.

Danderhall Hibs
11-05-2016, 06:50 AM
Not that I particularly want to defend the ref in anyway...but this was possibly on the advice of the 4th official...he appeared to be getting a bit of stick from the players at the incident. From where I was...the way the Falkirk player went in was more of a booking than anything McGinn done...

Looked to me as if he/the 4th official based it on the reaction of the Falkirk bench - they basically flooded forward towards the pitch in mock protest about the tackle.

Victor Park
11-05-2016, 07:02 AM
Looked to me as if he/the 4th official based it on the reaction of the Falkirk bench - they basically flooded forward towards the pitch in mock protest about the tackle.

Correct and the Falkirk boy was basically trying to get McGinn sent off.

I wonder if Houston will talk about his player's growing reputation for growing to ground easily?

calumhibee1
11-05-2016, 07:22 AM
Not that I particularly want to defend the ref in anyway...but this was possibly on the advice of the 4th official...he appeared to be getting a bit of stick from the players at the incident. From where I was...the way the Falkirk player went in was more of a booking than anything McGinn done...

At the game I thought there boys challenge on McGinn looked a leg breaker. Looked totally out of control, off the ground, two footed and wreckless. I've since seen the replay, and while it's maybe not as bad a tackle as it looked I cannot for the life of me fathom what McGinn is supposed to have done. It's an absolute ****ing joke.

staunchhibby
11-05-2016, 07:36 AM
The compliance officer is quick enough to pick on players be interesting to see the reaction of SFA to a piece of blatant cheating.Also hopes he picks on the players surrounding ref and 4th official to try and get McGinn sent off

SetonClapper
11-05-2016, 07:43 AM
I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of blatant trip in the box on Henderson five seconds later, which was also a penalty

Billy Whizz
11-05-2016, 08:05 AM
I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of blatant trip in the box on Henderson five seconds later, which was also a penalty

Sportsound did, is there any TV footage of this?

Hermit Crab
11-05-2016, 08:08 AM
More obvious than Maradona's.....:rolleyes:

calumhibee1
11-05-2016, 08:21 AM
Sportsound did, is there any TV footage of this?

I've got a clip on my phone but unfortunately can't upload it. The guy just blatantly puts his left leg right across henderson and wipes him out. It's another stone wall penalty.

allant1981
11-05-2016, 08:25 AM
I place no fault for the result on the team, with a competent referee the tie would be over. I can't believe what I've seen. I never blame officials.

Or if we had taken our chances the tie would be over so the team are equally at fault if not more, yip it was a terrible call by the ref but we need to start scoring more and defending better

hibs69
11-05-2016, 08:26 AM
Read on another thread that Stubbs has officially said that the ref told him that "he saw the handball". Stubbs has said (in the nicest possible way) he'd like it explained, Will Muir, or the SFA make public an explanation as to why it wasn't given?

I think it's time the club went F K N tits, in public. Demand answers. Do what the umpires have to do in Aussie Rules.,,,,,, go on TV on a Monday night and explain weekend decisions.

Callum_62
11-05-2016, 08:27 AM
Sportsound did, is there any TV footage of this?

Id like to see this too - too busy going off my head at the game

SeanWilson
11-05-2016, 08:29 AM
Read on another thread that Stubbs has officially said that the ref told him that "he saw the handball". Stubbs has said (in the nicest possible way) he'd like it explained, Will Muir, or the SFA make public an explanation as to why it wasn't given?

I think it's time the club went F K N tits, in public. Demand answers. Do what the umpires have to do in Aussie Rules.,,,,,, go on TV on a Monday night and explain weekend decisions.

Hibs need to recover and take our chances on Friday night, take it out the hands of dodgy decisions. Its done now, they're not going to let us go back to ER and take a pen.

Billy Whizz
11-05-2016, 08:31 AM
I've got a clip on my phone but unfortunately can't upload it. The guy just blatantly puts his left leg right across henderson and wipes him out. It's another stone wall penalty.

Hibs TV catches the kick. A blatant kick on Henderson, think Falkirk have used up all their luck now

hibs69
11-05-2016, 08:33 AM
@ Sean Wilson: Yes......, fully accept that. We DO need to start putting some of these efforts away, I even got slightly angry with Stokes shot over the bar last night......, for his calibre, shocking.

BUT......, whilst understanding that we need to move on, instead of just "ah forget it, move on"......., will these tosspots at the SFA explain any of this, which is what Stubbsy is asking.

SeanWilson
11-05-2016, 08:40 AM
@ Sean Wilson: Yes......, fully accept that. We DO need to start putting some of these efforts away, I even got slightly angry with Stokes shot over the bar last night......, for his calibre, shocking.

BUT......, whilst understanding that we need to move on, instead of just "ah forget it, move on"......., will these tosspots at the SFA explain any of this, which is what Stubbsy is asking.

I think they (SFA) absolutely should and if they don't, its a disgrace. I'd hope hibs have the savvy to let the C level folk do the enquiring quietly and Stubbs focus on getting these guys fit and ready for arguably now the biggest game in our history (so far:greengrin).

hibs69
11-05-2016, 08:41 AM
The next 4 games are huge!

Moulin Yarns
11-05-2016, 08:45 AM
Was at the game do haven't seen it again, any videos of the incidents


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzGCyKKyb6A

at 1:00

JimBHibees
11-05-2016, 08:47 AM
Hibs TV catches the kick. A blatant kick on Henderson, think Falkirk have used up all their luck now

Well they need to fire it to compliance guy pronto. Falkirk would do the same. Dont give him Mr Compliance the option of saying there was no footage.

SeanWilson
11-05-2016, 08:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzGCyKKyb6A

at 1:00

did the TV show Henderson getting halved?

gaz1875
11-05-2016, 09:48 AM
did the TV show Henderson getting halved?

I recorded it and watched after I got home, you see it clearly but for some reason no one picked it up on the commentary :confused:

dangermouse
11-05-2016, 09:59 AM
He managed to see Cummings hand ball it in the first half, even though it was off his chest....then he doesn't see this one when he's looking right at it.

Arse hole.

Yet misses a similar incident in the run up to the Falkirk free kick they scored from. Consistency in decision making would be good place for our referees to start.

Alex Trager
11-05-2016, 10:03 AM
Struggling to think of any incident where we got off with one? Was it the time Lewis didn't get rid in the corner? My view was as usual, Falkirk player dived looking for something. Miller certainly did for the free kick that led to the goal. Going over as soon as the pass was hit....

Both their goals came from shocking decisions mate. Terrible

Alex Trager
11-05-2016, 10:05 AM
Yet misses a similar incident in the run up to the Falkirk free kick they scored from. Consistency in decision making would be good place for our referees to start.

Haha that's right. I forgot about that handball then they get awarded a free kick for the 'foul' from stokes.

Their first goal was from a non free kick. A dive. A clear dive. He threw himself over.

The yellow card McGinn got was insane.

McGregor getting booked. Crazy.

The time keeping of the ref was poor keeper at it. Then with their two throw ins at the end!

Then of course you have the daddy of it all. The penalty.

Fergus52
11-05-2016, 10:24 AM
24th minute. Seen the replay and Stevenson catches Baird. Looks in the box and could easily have been a penalty and a red.

They replayed it several times on BT sport last night.

Was a foul but was definitely outside the box and Gray was back covering so would only have been a yellow.

WeeRussell
11-05-2016, 11:35 AM
What is more unbelievable than the decision itself is that half the pundits on BT Sport thought that the referee got it right!!!!?

A clearer penalty and red card I don't think you will ever see.

OsloHibs
11-05-2016, 11:53 AM
What is more unbelievable than the decision itself is that half the pundits on BT Sport thought that the referee got it right!!!!?

A clearer penalty and red card I don't think you will ever see.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who were the pundits??...stevie wonder?

Biggie
11-05-2016, 11:58 AM
What is more unbelievable than the decision itself is that half the pundits on BT Sport thought that the referee got it right!!!!?

A clearer penalty and red card I don't think you will ever see.

Yeah, gobsmacked by that.....maybe it's just us ?!

WeeRussell
11-05-2016, 12:07 PM
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who were the pundits??...stevie wonder?

Stephen Craigan and Stuart Lovell I think were both defending the decision. Baffled that it wasn't just a unanimous "Yeah he's made a bad error there" and maybe just discussed how he could have missed it! But to actually go round and have half of them state that he's got it right!

One of Craigan's reasons seemed to be that because he would be so stupid to handball it in that position, he mustn't have meant it, and therefore it couldn't be given as deliberate handball...

Absolutely mind-boggling! Punditry? More like Monty ******ing Python!!!

Gatecrasher
11-05-2016, 12:16 PM
Stephen Craigan and Stuart Lovell I think were both defending the decision. Baffled that it wasn't just a unanimous "Yeah he's made a bad error there" and maybe just discussed how he could have missed it! But to actually go round and have half of them state that he's got it right!

One of Craigan's reasons seemed to be that because he would be so stupid to handball it in that position, he mustn't have meant it, and therefore it couldn't be given as deliberate handball...

Absolutely mind-boggling! Punditry? More like Monty ******ing Python!!!
I was thinking of doing it anyway but I'm definitely cancelling my BT sports, one reason (of a few) is that their commentary and pundits are fannys.

JimBHibees
11-05-2016, 12:18 PM
What is more unbelievable than the decision itself is that half the pundits on BT Sport thought that the referee got it right!!!!?

A clearer penalty and red card I don't think you will ever see.

I dont think it would have been a red card as not a clear goal scoring opportunity. Yellow probably.

emerald green
11-05-2016, 12:18 PM
Surely now it's way past time where video technology is introduced for games as important as last nights?

The rules need to be changed whereby in instances where a clear penalty is not awarded, like last night as an example, then the coach can ask for the game to be stopped and the officials look at it again. If it means a couple of minutes delay, so be it, if it means the correct decision is given. The same rules will apply for both teams. If you don't want video technology introduced, then please come up with an alternative solution to last night's nonsense please. I don't want games being stopped to challenge every decision. Maybe each team can have a maximum of two challenges per game?

We can moan like f*** (with complete justification) about last night, but nothing is going to change until stuff like that can be cut out and eliminated, or at least reduced.

My take on why he didn't give the penalty was because he was weak, and scared of giving Hibs another penalty against Falkirk after the criticism he took from Houston after the penalty he gave against them the last time. If that's why he refused to give the penalty, he should be sacked, but we will probably never know. I've heard this morning that the referee said he did see the hand ball. If so, there can be no excuse for that decision.

Imagine that had been The Rangers playing Falkirk last night and he did that? No chance. Football in this country is descending into a complete and utter farce.

JimBHibees
11-05-2016, 12:20 PM
Surely now it's way past time where video technology is introduced for games as important as last nights?

The rules need to be changed whereby in instances where a clear penalty is not awarded, like last night as an example, then the coach can ask for the game to be stopped and the officials look at it again. If it means a couple of minutes delay, so be it, if it means the correct decision is given. The same rules will apply for both teams. If you don't want video technology introduced, then please come up with an alternative solution to last night's nonsense please. I don't want games being stopped to challenge every decision. Maybe each team can have a maximum of two challenges per game?

We can moan like f*** (with complete justification) about last night, but nothing is going to change until stuff like that can be cut out and eliminated, or at least reduced.

My take on why he didn't give the penalty was because he was weak, and scared of giving Hibs another penalty against Falkirk after the criticism he took from Houston after the penalty he gave against them the last time. If that's why he refused to give the penalty, he should be sacked, but we will probably never know. I've heard this morning that the referee said he did see the hand ball. If so, there can be no excuse for that decision.

Imagine that had been The Rangers playing Falkirk last night and he did that? No chance. Football in this country is descending into a complete and utter farce.

My initial thought also he he pulled that stunt in an OF game (this is conjecture because he is so awful he would IMO never get an OF Game) there would be a riot.

WeeRussell
11-05-2016, 12:25 PM
I dont think it would have been a red card as not a clear goal scoring opportunity. Yellow probably.

Yeah I suppose the Red Card is debatable - and that's what they could have been discussing, rather than pretending that the referee may have got it correct. I don't actually think McGinn would have got there, it was more the clear, deliberate scooping of the ball that made me think it was red. Now that you mention it though, if you done that in the middle of the pitch, I suppose would be a yellow only.. so if not clear goal scoring opportunity I guess that doesn't change just because it's in the box.

Edit: A clearer penalty I don't think you will ever see :greengrin

Moulin Yarns
11-05-2016, 12:58 PM
Saw this on Twitter this morning,

Final score

Hibs 2 Harlem Globetrotters 2

jgl07
11-05-2016, 01:20 PM
Having one hand on the ball could be construed as ball to hand. Having both hands on it could not!

Thief
11-05-2016, 01:25 PM
Yeah I suppose the Red Card is debatable - I don't actually think McGinn would have got there, it was more the clear, deliberate scooping of the ball that made me think it was red.

I've watched it a few times, and I think Henderson was undoubtedly going to get there! McGinn was between him and the goal, which was a slight complication, but would still say it was a clear goal scoring opportunity.
I honestly think the reason McCracken moved it the way he did was due to Henderson closing in.

dangermouse
11-05-2016, 01:42 PM
The clearest indication it was a deliberate hand ball is the smug look on McCracken's face after he boots the ball away.

Billychaotic182
11-05-2016, 01:52 PM
Has he been reported to the compliance officer for his kick on Henderson?

iwasthere1972
11-05-2016, 01:54 PM
What is more unbelievable than the decision itself is that half the pundits on BT Sport thought that the referee got it right!!!!?

A clearer penalty and red card I don't think you will ever see.

How any of them could deem that the Falkirk player didn't see the ball is beyond me. If he didn't see the ball and was just attempting to put his hand on the ground then surely his hand would have slipped off the ball rather than rolling it away. If this was a match in the EPL or any of the other divisions down there then I'm pretty certain it would be getting a mention every half hour or so. Similarly if it had involved Celtic or The Rangers there would be discussion about it.

A blatant handball and a disgusting kick out at Henderson. I really hope that we go to Falkirk on Friday and give them a proper seeing to.

Barstewards.

Moulin Yarns
11-05-2016, 01:56 PM
Has he been reported to the compliance officer for his kick on Henderson?


No because it Aaron Muirhead that tripped Liam Henderson

Carheenlea
11-05-2016, 02:34 PM
Charlie Richmond (I think) was on the sports news on Radio Scotland at lunchtime, and he said that he felt Stubbs was entitled to speak out and that he spoke calmly and in a manner that was not personal (his post match interview last night). As for the decision itself, Richmond didn't go into too much detail, but spoke of his surprise that the authorities deemed the referee last night to be the best candidate to take charge, considering he had been at the centre of a controversial incident in a previous game this season between Hibs and Falkirk. It was his view that because of his performance in that last game his decision making would have been influenced and clouded for last nights game.
Quite simply he should never have been near Easter Road or indeed the Falkirk Stadium this week.

Smartie
11-05-2016, 02:37 PM
Charlie Richmond (I think) was on the sports news on Radio Scotland at lunchtime, and he said that he felt Stubbs was entitled to speak out and that he spoke calmly and in a manner that was not personal (his post match interview last night). As for the decision itself, Richmond didn't go into too much detail, but spoke of his surprise that the authorities deemed the referee last night to be the best candidate to take charge, considering he had been at the centre of a controversial incident in a previous game this season between Hibs and Falkirk. It was his view that because of his performance in that last game his decision making would have been influenced and clouded for last nights game.
Quite simply he should never have been near Easter Road or indeed the Falkirk Stadium this week.

Refs often close ranks over matters like this.

This is a quite surprisingly honest and controversial stance for Richmond to take.

emerald green
11-05-2016, 02:40 PM
Charlie Richmond (I think) was on the sports news on Radio Scotland at lunchtime, and he said that he felt Stubbs was entitled to speak out and that he spoke calmly and in a manner that was not personal (his post match interview last night). As for the decision itself, Richmond didn't go into too much detail, but spoke of his surprise that the authorities deemed the referee last night to be the best candidate to take charge, considering he had been at the centre of a controversial incident in a previous game this season between Hibs and Falkirk. It was his view that because of his performance in that last game his decision making would have been influenced and clouded for last nights game.
Quite simply he should never have been near Easter Road or indeed the Falkirk Stadium this week.

Good points. Something stinks to high heaven about the way last night's match was "handled".

Supermac
11-05-2016, 02:52 PM
I was under the impression that hand to ball in the box was always a penalty, deliberate or not. BT pundits suggesting that because it was not deliberate it wasn't a penalty. Penalties are often given even when the ball strikes a hand which hasn't moved. If the ball is blasted at a player from short range giving them no chance to avoid touching it I can understand a penalty not being given but to say it wasn't a penalty because it wasn't deliberate or because the player didn't see the ball is simply ridiculous.

JimBHibees
11-05-2016, 02:54 PM
I was under the impression that hand to ball in the box was always a penalty, deliberate or not. BT pundits suggesting that because it was not deliberate it wasn't a penalty. Penalties are often given even when the ball strikes a hand which hasn't moved. If the ball is blasted at a player from short range giving them no chance to avoid touching it I can understand a penalty not being given but to say it wasn't a penalty because it wasn't deliberate or because the player didn't see the ball is simply ridiculous.

Agree I think possibly if his hand went on the ball and he immediately took it off there could be an argument for it not being a pen, the fact he then moved the ball to his benefit made it one of the most blatant awards you are likely to get.

MurrayfieldHibs
11-05-2016, 04:22 PM
Could one of our IT gurus put a nice clear copy of the "hand on ball" incident on a word document that we could all print out nice & big & clear on A3 paper to take to the game on Friday night? We could have it as a special Friday night display for all the fans to hold up ........

SJM
11-05-2016, 04:29 PM
Hendos is much more of a pen than the handball the more I look at it.

ben johnson
11-05-2016, 04:30 PM
Stephen Craigan and Stuart Lovell I think were both defending the decision. Baffled that it wasn't just a unanimous "Yeah he's made a bad error there" and maybe just discussed how he could have missed it! But to actually go round and have half of them state that he's got it right!

One of Craigan's reasons seemed to be that because he would be so stupid to handball it in that position, he mustn't have meant it, and therefore it couldn't be given as deliberate handball...

Absolutely mind-boggling! Punditry? More like Monty ******ing Python!!!

I get the impression they took the I know better because I played the game syndrome to a new level. Spouting nonsense just to impress. Nothing to say of any value so just something.

lapsedhibee
11-05-2016, 04:58 PM
Hendos is much more of a pen than the handball the more I look at it.
:tsk tsk: You can't get more than 100% certainty. That would be yamathematics.

hibs69
11-05-2016, 05:05 PM
If anyone can find a positive comment from Craigan regarding Hibs, post it here. Always trying to be the controversial one. Tit.

Fergus52
11-05-2016, 06:30 PM
:tsk tsk: You can't get more than 100% certainty. That would be yamathematics.

Why is Peter Houston your avatar? :greengrin

cabbageandribs1875
11-05-2016, 06:36 PM
If anyone can find a positive comment from Craigan regarding Hibs, post it here. Always trying to be the controversial one. Tit.


i quite dislike him myself

Hibernia&Alba
11-05-2016, 06:41 PM
I still can't believe it. It was impossible to miss; I just don't get it.

emerald green
11-05-2016, 07:10 PM
I still can't believe it. It was impossible to miss; I just don't get it.

That's it though. He didn't miss anything. He was right up with play, staring straight at McCraken handling the ball around the six yard line.

The question everyone is asking, and which we won't get an answer, is WHY the referee decided not to award a clear penalty.

I've been watching football, at all levels, for many years and I thought I was past being surprised at anything as far as dodgy refereeing decisions is concerned. But last night just shocked me. That's too important a decision to get wrong. It might consign this club to another year in the Championship. Hopefully it won't come to that, but it would be silly to pretend it couldn't happen.

hibeerealist
11-05-2016, 07:21 PM
Stephen Craigan and Stuart Lovell I think were both defending the decision. Baffled that it wasn't just a unanimous "Yeah he's made a bad error there" and maybe just discussed how he could have missed it! But to actually go round and have half of them state that he's got it right!

One of Craigan's reasons seemed to be that because he would be so stupid to handball it in that position, he mustn't have meant it, and therefore it couldn't be given as deliberate handball...

Absolutely mind-boggling! Punditry? More like Monty ******ing Python!!!


That bellend Caigan never has a good word to say about Hibs and any "dubious" decisions he rarely supports the idea tat we were hard done to. Don't know what he has against us maybe just that as he is a bellend he will side with the bellends!!!

AlbertK86
11-05-2016, 07:24 PM
When the Josh Meekings deliberate handball was missed in semi final last year he got a retrospective red and was banned from final.

Surely this should be the case for McCracken for Friday

overdrive
11-05-2016, 08:04 PM
Refs often close ranks over matters like this.

This is a quite surprisingly honest and controversial stance for Richmond to take.

I think he is quite outspoken about referees and the SFA. I don't think he ended his career / relationship with the SFA on happy terms.

lapsedhibee
11-05-2016, 08:24 PM
When the Josh Meekings deliberate handball was missed in semi final last year he got a retrospective red and was banned from final.

Surely this should be the case for McCracken for Friday

Yes but Meekings's offence, being against Celtc, was much more serious than McMeadowlark's.

Hibernia&Alba
11-05-2016, 08:46 PM
That's it though. He didn't miss anything. He was right up with play, staring straight at McCraken handling the ball around the six yard line.

The question everyone is asking, and which we won't get an answer, is WHY the referee decided not to award a clear penalty.

I've been watching football, at all levels, for many years and I thought I was past being surprised at anything as far as dodgy refereeing decisions is concerned. But last night just shocked me. That's too important a decision to get wrong. It might consign this club to another year in the Championship. Hopefully it won't come to that, but it would be silly to pretend it couldn't happen.

It well might, but there's nothing we can do about it, which is absolutely scandalous.

The Green Goblin
11-05-2016, 08:52 PM
Yes but Meekings's offence, being against Celtc, was much more serious than McMeadowlark's.

Exactly. :agree: A dark ages mentality and continuing worship of the "big two" amongst the game's powers that be will keep us firmly rooted in the past.

As for the prospect of video reviewing? :faf::faf: This was the governing body that said referees didn't need the shaving foam for free kicks in Scotland...

greenlex
11-05-2016, 09:00 PM
When the Josh Meekings deliberate handball was missed in semi final last year he got a retrospective red and was banned from final.

Surely this should be the case for McCracken for Friday

I'm sure he was allowed to play. On another note I heard our old friend Charlie Richmond defending Stubbs reaction to the incident. He also reckons Muir was scared to give it cis he was percieved to give us a soft one against Falkurk earlier in the season. He then went on to have ago at the SFA for putting the ref in charge of the game after the hand ball incident he was involved in the semi and the aforementioned previous pen incident. In short putting the ref in he position of being able to (subconsciously or otherwise) of being able to do so. I never thought I'd see the day but well done Charlie Richmond.

hibby6270
11-05-2016, 09:20 PM
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, the trip on Henderson immediately afterwards is even more of a stone wall penalty than the hand ball was. I didn't see it at the game, so incensed was I and those around me that the hand ball hadn't been given.

There's another thread about Henderson's trip. Here's the clip that's attached.

https://youtu.be/hkiNES44zYM

I've sent the following e-mail to info@scottishfa.co.uk FAO - Tony McGlennan the SFA Compliance Officer.

Everyone else on thus forum should do the same, if only to stop least bug the SFA and their incompetent officials. You never know it might lead to some action. Pleas copy and paste the wording as you see fit to send your own e-mail. Do nothing and that's what'll happen - nothing!!

Dear Sir,
I'd like to bring to your attention an incident that occurred in the Hibernian v Falkirk Premiership Play Off Semi Final game at Easter Road on Tuesday 10th May.

I've attached a link to a clip on YouTube which highlights the incident. The referee did not take action for it at the time but I'm sure you'll agree it was an off the ball incident that is worthy if review for the blatant attempt to stop the Hibernian player - Liam Henderson - from making a worthy attempt to get back to try and retrieve the ball whilst still in play.

Notwithstanding the apparent hand ball incident just prior to the kick out at Henderson by the Falkirk player (another incident the referee and his assistants didn't deem to be a foul and a resulting penalty), the fact the trip took place within the penalty area could have resulted in a penalty being awarded in its own right and a possible yellow card for a deliberate trip or an attempt to stop an opponent from gaining an advantage.

In my opinion this incident is worthy of a disciplinary review by you under the terms of your remit.

Please advise what will be done about this and I look forward to hearing your response.

https://youtu.be/hkiNES44zYM

Yours sincerely



Sent from my iPad

TRC
11-05-2016, 09:37 PM
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, the trip on Henderson immediately afterwards is even more of a stone wall penalty than the hand ball was. I didn't see it at the game, so incensed was I and those around me that the hand ball hadn't been given.

There's another thread about Henderson's trip. Here's the clip that's attached.

https://youtu.be/hkiNES44zYM

I've sent the following e-mail to info@scottishfa.co.uk FAO - Tony McGlennan the SFA Compliance Officer.

Everyone else on thus forum should do the same, if only to stop least bug the SFA and their incompetent officials. You never know it might lead to some action. Pleas copy and paste the wording as you see fit to send your own e-mail. Do nothing and that's what'll happen - nothing!!

Dear Sir,
I'd like to bring to your attention an incident that occurred in the Hibernian v Falkirk Premiership Play Off Semi Final game at Easter Road on Tuesday 10th May.

I've attached a link to a clip on YouTube which highlights the incident. The referee did not take action for it at the time but I'm sure you'll agree it was an off the ball incident that is worthy if review for the blatant attempt to stop the Hibernian player - Liam Henderson - from making a worthy attempt to get back to try and retrieve the ball whilst still in play.

Notwithstanding the apparent hand ball incident just prior to the kick out at Henderson by the Falkirk player (another incident the referee and his assistants didn't deem to be a foul and a resulting penalty), the fact the trip took place within the penalty area could have resulted in a penalty being awarded in its own right and a possible yellow card for a deliberate trip or an attempt to stop an opponent from gaining an advantage.

In my opinion this incident is worthy of a disciplinary review by you under the terms of your remit.

Please advise what will be done about this and I look forward to hearing your response.

https://youtu.be/hkiNES44zYM

Yours sincerely

Bruce Hannay

Sent from my iPad

Yellow card it's a clear red, he moves across to kick at Henderson and take him out the game

hibby6270
11-05-2016, 10:14 PM
Yellow card it's a clear red, he moves across to kick at Henderson and take him out the game

Don't disagree it should be a red but at the very least that incident alone should have been a pen. Either a yellow or a red would have done for me, if we'd got the pen.

So many decisions going against us in 14 seconds, sums up our misfortune not only now but all season.

Real Emerald
11-05-2016, 10:35 PM
Yellow card it's a clear red, he moves across to kick at Henderson and take him out the game

Yep, it's verging on assault! The ball was no where near him and he moved forward to deliberately kick Hendeson and scythe him down. Penalty and straight red card.

Captain Trips
11-05-2016, 10:36 PM
Lovell yer an erse, he never looked at the ball. Does he need to be looking directly at it to see a big yellow round object in your peripheral vision.

Lovell you are most definitely a knob.

Waxy
13-05-2016, 09:49 PM
Robbed. How much is this numpty going to cost us?