BBC leaders debate 1st May

[snooky]

Willie Rennie does my head in. Every time he speaks all he says is "Education"
Also, I wish Ruth Davidson would stfu when others are talking. Sarah Smith should be showing her the yellow card - yet another poor referee.
Just read some comments saying BBC are editing-in applause for Dugdale. If true, this is utterly disgraceful and would speak volumes on their so called impartiality.

[marinello59]

Editing in applause for Dugdale? Seriously, what's the source for that?
That's the first time I have seen Sturgeon really toil in one of these debates, usually she strolls them. She just came across as shifty and evasive. Exactly the same as the rest of them really. Tje mask slipped a couple of times as she got just as shouty as Davidson. Poor stuff all round.

[Beefster]

Editing in applause for Dugdale? Seriously, what's the source for that?

I'm going to put my chips on some loon on Twitter.

[Mr Grieves]

What were the audience on? They were delighted with every answer!


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[Onceinawhile]

I'm going to put my chips on some loon on Twitter.

Correct.

It qas a live debate, how would that be possible for goodness sake!

[ronaldo7]

Why do they have the Greens on these things, when they continue to disregard them in the discussions. Several times tonight Harvie was side-lined by Sarah Smith.

Where do they get the audiences? British Legion Club?

[marinello59]

Why do they have the Greens on these things, when they continue to disregard them in the discussions. Several times tonight Harvie was side-lined by Sarah Smith.

Where do they get the audiences? British Legion Club?

What was wrong with the audience? Seemed to be a genuine mix of opinion there with all of the leaders getting rounds of applause from their supporters.

[ronaldo7]

What was wrong with the audience? Seemed to be a genuine mix of opinion there with all of the leaders getting rounds of applause from their supporters.

When ever did Willie Rennie get that much support in Scotland?

[marinello59]

When ever did Willie Rennie get that much support in Scotland?
There are some weird free thinkers out there who will applaud across party lines if the comment deserves it in their opinion. There are even people out there who will applaud people other than Nicola Sturgeon. Mind blowing I know.

[ronaldo7]

There are some weird free thinkers out there who will applaud across party lines if the comment deserves it in their opinion. There are even people out there who will applaud people other than Nicola Sturgeon. Mind blowing I know.

If you think their were free thinkers in that audience then you're swinging in the wrong trees bud. They were picked on party lines. Always have been, always will be, as long as it's the Beeb.

Back to the policies, or lack of, it seems Ruthie doesn't like the truth about the type 26 Frigate's being delayed.

[marinello59]

If you think their were free thinkers in that audience then you're swinging in the wrong trees bud. They were picked on party lines. Always have been, always will be, as long as it's the Beeb.

So party members can't be free thinkers? That's an interesting take on things but I'm not so sure that every single party supporter slavishly follows party lines. Do they?

[ronaldo7]

So party members can't be free thinkers? That's an interesting take on things but I'm not so sure that every single party supporter slavishly follows party lines. Do they?

I certainly don't support Hearts during a Derby. How about you?

[Northernhibee]

Sturgeon lost any credibility she had remaining amongst free-thinkers in that debate. Great to watch.

[marinello59]

I certainly don't support Hearts during a Derby. How about you?

Eh....you've lost me with that one. Could you explain the relevance please. :confused:

[ronaldo7]

Eh....you've lost me with that one. Could you explain the relevance please. :confused:

They go to support their own party/parties. Hence the Unionists supporting Wullie.

[marinello59]

They go to support their own party/parties. Hence the Unionists supporting Wullie.

What has Rennies views about mental health care got to do with whether he is a unionist or not?

[Hibrandenburg]

Free thinkers :rolleyes:

[marinello59]

Free thinkers :rolleyes:

I'll take the blame for introducing that phrase, not one of my favourites either. Sorry. :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

What has Rennies views about mental health care got to do with whether he is a unionist or not?

He got the biggest cheer when denouncing whether the Scottish people should have a 2nd Independence Ref.

You did watch it didn't you:rolleyes:

[Moulin Yarns]

I think folks know how I will cast my list vote but for the life of me the same can't be said for the constituency vote. Stick on Swinney win so might just spoil the ballot paper.

[ronaldo7]

I think folks know how I will cast my list vote but for the life of me the same can't be said for the constituency vote. Stick on Swinney win so might just spoil the ballot paper.

And I was going to vote Green on the list too.:greengrin

[marinello59]

He got the biggest cheer when denouncing whether the Scottish people should have a 2nd Independence Ref.

You did watch it didn't you:rolleyes:

You still haven't answered any of my points but never mind.
He explained why he believed we shouldn't have a second referundum any time soon and he actually did that rather well. As you would expect at least half of the hall agreed with him. You and I might want independence tomorrow but half of the country want to move on for the time being.
Harvie made the very good point that the question of a referendum should be effectively parked for a while whilst we used the powers we have now as effectively as possible to win over existing No voters. He got similar applause to Rennie for that.
So to answer your question, yes I did watch it. Maybe you could answer mine now and explain your football fan analogy fully.

[ronaldo7]

You still haven't answered any of my points but never mind.
He explained why he believed we shouldn't have a second referundum any time soon and he actually did that rather well. As you would expect at least half of the hall agreed with him. You and I might want independence tomorrow but half of the country want to move on for the time being.
Harvie made the very good point that the question of a referendum should be effectively parked for a while whilst we used the powers we have now as effectively as possible to win over existing No voters. He got similar applause to Rennie for that.
So to answer your question, yes I did watch it. Maybe you could answer mine now and explain your football fan analogy fully.

The fitba fan thing is quite easy. They go to these things to support their party just as I go to ER to support my team. I wouldn't expect any non believer to support my team. Simples.

[Hibrandenburg]

You still haven't answered any of my points but never mind.
He explained why he believed we shouldn't have a second referundum any time soon and he actually did that rather well. As you would expect at least half of the hall agreed with him. You and I might want independence tomorrow but half of the country want to move on for the time being.
Harvie made the very good point that the question of a referendum should be effectively parked for a while whilst we used the powers we have now as effectively as possible to win over existing No voters. He got similar applause to Rennie for that.
So to answer your question, yes I did watch it. Maybe you could answer mine now and explain your football fan analogy fully.

Do free thinking football fans like chasing eggs? :wink:

[ronaldo7]

Do free thinking football fans like chasing eggs? :wink:

Only when the Scotland Egg chasers clash with a Hibs cup Final:wink:

[marinello59]

Do free thinking football fans like chasing eggs? :wink:

Is it my drugs or yours at work here? :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Is it my drugs or yours at work here? :greengrin

:greengrin I'd had a few last night but it still makes me chuckle in a psychedelic kind of way.

[marinello59]

:greengrin I'd had a few last night but it still makes me chuckle in a psychedelic kind of way.

It made me smile last night and even more this morning for reasons that I really don't understand. :greengrin

[stantonhibby]

I certainly don't support Hearts during a Derby. How about you?

what a ridiculous comment

[Beefster]

what a ridiculous comment

Not really. I totally get where the comment is coming from. For some folk, politics is like supporting a football team. No acknowledgement of anything good about rivals, even when there is something good, and unblinking total commitment to everything that your team does or says, even if you have to suspend all rational thought to buy into it.

[ronaldo7]

what a ridiculous comment

Really?


Not really. I totally get where the comment is coming from. For some folk, politics is like supporting a football team. No acknowledgement of anything good about rivals, even when there is something good, and unblinking total commitment to everything that your team does or says, even if you have to suspend all rational thought to buy into it.

Political parties are an extension of people views, and how they want to be governed. Some parties do overlap as you say, I like some of the Green parties stuff, as I've said on here already, although I wouldn't want to be in two parties at once.

You pick a team and get on with winning.

If other parties have some good policies which would be seen to work for the people of Scotland, then I'm sure they'll be picked up.:greengrin

[stantonhibby]

[QUOTE=Beefster;4667115]Not really. I totally get where the comment is coming from. For some folk, politics is like supporting a football team. No acknowledgement of anything good about rivals, even when there is something good, and unblinking total commitment to everything that your team does or says, even if you have to suspend all rational thought to buy into it.[/QUOTE

Well, when you put it like that...

[marinello59]

Not really. I totally get where the comment is coming from. For some folk, politics is like supporting a football team. No acknowledgement of anything good about rivals, even when there is something good, and unblinking total commitment to everything that your team does or says, even if you have to suspend all rational thought to buy into it.

That does make sense now then.

[Hibby Bairn]

No matter your politics there is no way that audience was representative of the current likely voting intentions. Either that or the one union supporters just howled and clapped more vigorously. By contrast there seemed to be very muted support for any of Sturgeons points.

Watching it I would say it seemed to be about 80/20 non SNP types.

[marinello59]

No matter your politics there is no way that audience was representative of the current likely voting intentions. Either that or the one union supporters just howled and clapped more vigorously. By contrast there seemed to be very muted support for any of Sturgeons points.

Watching it I would say it seemed to be about 80/20 non SNP types.


Should the audience reflect likely voting intentions or should it reflect the fact that there were four party leaders on the platform with each one entitled to a fair hearing and support.?

[ronaldo7]

Should the audience reflect likely voting intentions or should it reflect the fact that there were four party leaders on the platform with each one entitled to a fair hearing and support.?

I knew you hadn't watched it:greengrin Their were 5 on the debate.:aok:

[marinello59]

I knew you hadn't watched it:greengrin Their were 5 on the debate.:aok:


Damn, schoolboy error.
Can I get away with that one by saying I forgot Dugdale was there? :greengrin

[Hibby Bairn]

Should the audience reflect likely voting intentions or should it reflect the fact that there were four party leaders on the platform with each one entitled to a fair hearing and support.?

I think Smith said a cross section of society. So you might expect that to broadly mirror voting intentions?

[marinello59]

I think Smith said a cross section of society. So you might expect that to broadly mirror voting intentions?

Perhaps. I really don't know how they did this for last night. The 80 / 20 split you reckon existed would suggest each candidate had an equal weight when it came to deciding audience make up. That would seem the fairest way of giving each candidate the same opportunity to receive a fair hearing rather than rewarding strong polling figures. I can see the argument for going with voting intent though, just not that convinced by it.

[Mr Grieves]

I think Smith said a cross section of society. So you might expect that to broadly mirror voting intentions?

https://twitter.com/eliz_lloyd/status/726859892804456451

Sturgeon's chief of staff giving the audience make up as around 20% for each party, except the greens who got 10%. No idea who the other 10% were.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/eliz_lloyd/status/726859892804456451

Sturgeon's chief of staff giving the audience make up as around 20% for each party, except the greens who got 10%. No idea who the other 10% were.

The folk that were disappointed the UKIP comedy turn wasn't there :wink:

[snooky]

https://twitter.com/eliz_lloyd/status/726859892804456451

Sturgeon's chief of staff giving the audience make up as around 20% for each party, except the greens who got 10%. No idea who the other 10% were.

Corky the Cat, Desperate Dan, Dennis the Menace and a' their sun-worshipping pals :stirrer: :wink:

[Hibrandenburg]

Really?



Political parties are an extension of people views, and how they want to be governed. Some parties do overlap as you say, I like some of the Green parties stuff, as I've said on here already, although I wouldn't want to be in two parties at once.

You pick a team and get on with winning.

If other parties have some good policies which would be seen to work for the people of Scotland, then I'm sure they'll be picked up.:greengrin

Ok, so if people support parties like fans support teams, does that then mean the individual politicians are like players? Why then don't we support all our politicians when they get elected to the national team (Scottish Parliament) and will Salmond move to labour on a Bosnan now he's reaching the end of his career? I'm beginning to like this football analogy, think I'll try it on the refugees thread and melt Rasta's brain :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

Ok, so if people support parties like fans support teams, does that then mean the individual politicians are like players? Why then don't we support all our politicians when they get elected to the national team (Scottish Parliament) and will Salmond move to labour on a Bosnan now he's reaching the end of his career? I'm beginning to like this football analogy, think I'll try it on the refugees thread and melt Rasta's brain :greengrin

I think we're onto something here P.

Not sure Salmond would move for free though, maybe if Labour invest in a box of lego, he might be tempted.

Meanwhile in the wash room at Easter Road, the SNP are in the yellow away strips, the Greens are in the home shirt.

Over at Ibrox the Yoons are in Blue, (Tories)with a bit of Red(Labour) :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Can I get away with that one by saying I forgot Dugdale was there?
FFS, Dugdale's a Hibby. That's like going to a derby and only watching the yams.