Good Lord! What was Sturgeon thinking? Is it even real?

[Hibbyradge]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13100916_10156864004235504_4385788712548986659_n.j pg?oh=8266a2b7662fda739fedea8ea751e7d9&oe=579F883E

[Northernhibee]

Says it all.

[marinello59]

That has to be a fake.

[BroxburnHibee]

That has to be a fake.

If it's not its a blunder.

[snooky]

Surprised to see her dirtying her hands holding that awful rag. I hope this a photoshopped joke. If not, then poor show Nicola.

[Pretty Boy]

If that's real then it's a rare error from the well oiled SNP PR machine.

Silly thing to do but will ultimately have zero impact in the short term. It will be used as a stick to beat her when the going isn't so good though.

[marinello59]

If that's real then it's a rare error from the well oiled SNP PR machine.

Silly thing to do but will ultimately have zero impact in the short term. It will be used as a stick to beat her when the going isn't so good though.

Can you imagine the reaction from SNP supporters if a Labour MSP had posed like that this week?
I still think it's fake.

[Hibbyradge]

It's real according to a furious SNP campaigner.

He's threatened not to give them his first vote!

[Hibbyradge]

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/304/media/images/75506000/jpg/_75506566_022667108-1.jpg

[Beefster]

Uncle Rup will be pleased.

[johnbc70]

What's the issue, would not most Scottish Sun readers be SNP voters?

[Mr Grieves]

It's real according to a furious SNP campaigner.

He's threatened not to give them his first vote!

A few SNP supporters are raging on Twitter. Very stupid move by Sturgeon, there's absolutely no benefit to being associated with that paper.

[Peevemor]

It's photoshopped. In the original photo she's holding a copy of the Dandy.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/55c9a6c34ef4405e23eb296d75d6ca28.jpg

[ronaldo7]

16453:aok:

[marinello59]

It's photoshopped. In the original photo she's holding a copy of the Dandy.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/55c9a6c34ef4405e23eb296d75d6ca28.jpg

Now I am outraged. Didn't they kill Desperate Dan off? What was she thinking?

[ronaldo7]

Now I am outraged. Didn't they kill Desperate Dan off? What was she thinking?

Billy Whizz will be along just now to see DD off.

[allmodcons]

Says it all.


Uncle Rup will be pleased.


What's the issue, would not most Scottish Sun readers be SNP voters?

Would anybody like to retract.

Might be an idea to check the facts before steaming in.

[Beefster]

It's photoshopped. In the original photo she's holding a copy of the Dandy.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/55c9a6c34ef4405e23eb296d75d6ca28.jpg

Unless I'm missing a hilarious joke, that's the [obvious] photoshop.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/feeds/NewsApp/newsapp-english/newsapp-english-scotland/7117474/Nics-bold-prediction-after-Scottish-Sun-plea-on-powers.html

[Beefster]

Would anybody like to retract.

Might be an idea to check the facts before steaming in.

Indeed. Pure coincidence that the Scottish Sun has numerous pictures of her from Friday with the same outfit on and one of her holding Friday's newspaper.

Thank **** for facts.

She was obviously touring the papers as the Record has an interview from Friday too. I'm calling 'conspiracy'.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-interview-first-minister-7865699#Q6SDGofgpTgXOUIG.97

Edit: I do hope you see the supreme irony of you lecturing us on checking facts before 'steaming in'. If nothing else, you gave me a chuckle.

[johnbc70]

Would anybody like to retract.

Might be an idea to check the facts before steaming in.

Still don't know what the issue was, more Sun readers will vote SNP than any other party.

Anyway have we confirmed what is the fake and what is not? The SNP and Salmond in particular has had a very cosy relationship with Murdoch for years now.

[Beefster]

Still don't know what the issue was, more Sun readers will vote SNP than any other party.

Anyway have we confirmed what is the fake and what is not? The SNP and Salmond in particular has had a very cosy relationship with Murdoch for years now.

The photo of Sturgeon holding the Sun is genuine. Some sad, desperate SNP supporter photoshopped in the Dandy and tried to claim it as the original photo. Aside from posing with the Sun being a bad idea, this week is probably not the best week either.

For a bit of light relief though...

16454

[johnbc70]

The photo of Sturgeon holding the Sun is genuine. Some sad, desperate SNP supporter photoshopped in the Dandy and tried to claim it as the original photo. Aside from posing with the Sun being a bad idea, this week is probably not the best week either.

For a bit of light relief though...

16454

Ah ok, with Hillsborough. Still it's the leader of the biggest party in Scotland, holding the biggest selling paper in Scotland that has been vocal backers of the SNP since 2007.

[Northernhibee]

The photo of Sturgeon holding the Sun is genuine. Some sad, desperate SNP supporter photoshopped in the Dandy and tried to claim it as the original photo. Aside from posing with the Sun being a bad idea, this week is probably not the best week either.

For a bit of light relief though...

16454

http://img01.thedrum.com/s3fs-public/styles/news_article_lightbox/public/news/178686/rupert-murdoch-alex-salmond-600x360_1.jpg?itok=xyXGaTAk

[snooky]

To be fair, in the political arena people shake hands at some point with both allies and enemies. I'm sure down the line some of these photos are resurrected and used to bite bums.
Re beefster's post, it's poor form if claims are made to mislead. It's hard enough to get an inkling of truth from the politicians & press without muddying the waters ourselves.

[Beefster]

To be fair, in the political arena people shake hands at some point with both allies and enemies. I'm sure down the line some of these photos are resurrected and used to bite bums.
It's poor form when claims are made to mislead. It's hard enough to get an inkling pf truth from the politicians & press without muddying the waters ourselves.

What claims are muddying the waters?

[snooky]

What claims are muddying the waters?

I was referring to the claim that the Dandy one is the original.
(I'd edited my post above to pinpoint that)

[Beefster]

I was referring to the claim that the Dandy one is the original.
(I'd edited my post above to pinpoint that)

I think it's a very clever strategy tbh. Some folk believe anything that validates their worldview so you can guarantee that the Dandy pic will have soothed a lot of unquestioning supporters who were a bit pissed off and made a few more question which one is real. Obfuscating is the name of the game.

[ronaldo7]

The photo of Sturgeon holding the Dandy is genuine. Some folk want others to hold their worldwide view that the Dandy is dead.

The Sun on the other hand...

[johnbc70]

To be fair, in the political arena people shake hands at some point with both allies and enemies. I'm sure down the line some of these photos are resurrected and used to bite bums.
Re beefster's post, it's poor form if claims are made to mislead. It's hard enough to get an inkling of truth from the politicians & press without muddying the waters ourselves.

Salmond and Murdoch were well known for their bromance, did Salmond not invite Murdoch to the Ryder Cup as an official Scottish Government guest? Sure he did.

[ronaldo7]

16455

This is the real one.

[Hibbyradge]

It's real.

[marinello59]

It's real.

Which one? :greengrin

[pacoluna]

Not Ian Gray you started this thread by any chance?

[Allant1981]

Pretty sure i read the newspaper pic is real, i dont read the paper myself and dont agree with what they wrote about hillsborough but is it really the crime of the century? Might sound harsh but lots of people still read the paper and as long as they print will read it, politicians arent daft

[johnbc70]

Pretty sure i read the newspaper pic is real, i dont read the paper myself and dont agree with what they wrote about hillsborough but is it really the crime of the century? Might sound harsh but lots of people still read the paper and as long as they print will read it, politicians arent daft

As I said she is holding a paper that will be read in the main by SNP voters and a paper that supports her and her party very vocally since 2007. Apart from the Hillsborough verdict this week which means it was a bad week for her to do the photo then whats the issue? Or does it sit uncomfortably with some SNP supporters that the SNP are so close to Murdoch.

[AndyM_1875]

The photo of Sturgeon holding the Dandy is genuine. Some folk want others to hold their worldwide view that the Dandy is dead.

The Sun on the other hand...

No it isn't.
The picture with the Dandy is the photoshop fake. That is a new picture of NS. The Dandy hasn't been in publication since 2012 and when it was it was A4 size. The publication in her hand is tabloid size. That's not some "hateful yoon" talking, it's Lesley Riddoch.

This is just desperate backtracking to cover up a PR blunder. This should never have been allowed to happen. No progressive politician (SNP, Labour, Lib Dem, Green) after this week, should ever pose with that rag.

[stantonhibby]

Would anybody like to retract.

Might be an idea to check the facts before steaming in.

Indeed

[marinello59]

Indeed

Lesley Riddoch has criticised Sturgeon for this on Twitter so she seems to think it's genuine.

[stantonhibby]

Lesley Riddoch has criticised Sturgeon for this on Twitter so she seems to think it's genuine.

Yes seems to be.... my post was in relation to amc's post asking for folk not to steam in without the facts and anyone want to retract.....looks like the facts were correct all along!

[Peevemor]

Lesley Riddoch has criticised Sturgeon for this on Twitter so she seems to think it's genuine.


Yes seems to be.... my post was in relation to amc's post asking for folk not to steam in without the facts and anyone want to retract.....looks like the facts were correct all along!

Yup - looks like it.

[johnbc70]

Would anybody like to retract.

Might be an idea to check the facts before steaming in.

Anytime that suits you.

[Beefster]

It can only be a matter of time before the inevitable link to the nutty 'Rev' telling us how the Sun isn't that bad after all (he has form for sharing some savoury views with the Sun) and how Dugdale/Davidson/Rennie/Gideon/Corbyn (obviously not Harvey cos he's like a wee cousin) have posed with a copy of Mein Kampf.

Either that or there will be some more "don't look there, look over here where I'm waving my hands to distract you" stuff.

[marinello59]

Yes seems to be.... my post was in relation to amc's post asking for folk not to steam in without the facts and anyone want to retract.....looks like the facts were correct all along!

Ah, got you.

[ronaldo7]

No it isn't.
The picture with the Dandy is the photoshop fake. That is a new picture of NS. The Dandy hasn't been in publication since 2012 and when it was it was A4 size. The publication in her hand is tabloid size. That's not some "hateful yoon" talking, it's Lesley Riddoch.

This is just desperate backtracking to cover up a PR blunder. This should never have been allowed to happen. No progressive politician (SNP, Labour, Lib Dem, Green) after this week, should ever pose with that rag.

My post was a fake:dizzy:

[allmodcons]

Indeed. Pure coincidence that the Scottish Sun has numerous pictures of her from Friday with the same outfit on and one of her holding Friday's newspaper.

Thank **** for facts.

She was obviously touring the papers as the Record has an interview from Friday too. I'm calling 'conspiracy'.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-interview-first-minister-7865699#Q6SDGofgpTgXOUIG.97

Edit: I do hope you see the supreme irony of you lecturing us on checking facts before 'steaming in'. If nothing else, you gave me a chuckle.

I'm glad you had a chuckle. Given the bitter nature of your posts I think it's good for you to smile now again!

FWIW, I still don't know which picture is the original.

Lesley Riddoch has tweeted on the matter, but IMO she hasn't cleared anything up by doing so.

If NS is holding The Sun, I'd be extremely disappointed in her. I don't care about the PR issue, it's more of a principled thing for me.

By the way, if it is The Sun she's holding then I'll hold my hand up and say mistake made. I might even do it with smile and a little humility :wink:

[johnbc70]

Is it the Hillsborough connection and the Sun that makes SNP supporters 'dissapointed' or something else? The SNP and Murdoch have had a cosy relationship for years now so why the sudden outrage.

[Beefster]

FWIW, I still don't know which picture is the original.

Fair enough. I thought a few posters, including myself, had done a fairly good job of giving you all the evidence you needed to make an informed decision.

Here's another bit from a fairly reputable source...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/snp/nicola-sturgeon/dot-commons-diary/74507/nicola-sturgeon-engulfed

Sorry if that appears bitter!

[allmodcons]

Is it the Hillsborough connection and the Sun that makes SNP supporters 'dissapointed' or something else? The SNP and Murdoch have had a cosy relationship for years now so why the sudden outrage.

The 'cosy' relationship is overplayed. I reckon you could produce pictures of most party leaders with Murdoch.

For me, I just simply despise The Sun.

As an aside, the inference (by some) that all SNP supporters are sheep is just plain nonsense. These comments are made by individuals who don't know any better. Maybe they should go along to a local SNP branch meeting and check out the diversity of opinion expressed for and against official party policy.

[AndyM_1875]

The 'cosy' relationship is overplayed. I reckon you could produce pictures of most party leaders with Murdoch.

For me, I just simply despise The Sun.

As an aside, the inference (by some) that all SNP supporters are sheep is just plain nonsense. These comments are made by individuals who don't know any better. Maybe they should go along to a local SNP branch meeting and check out the diversity of opinion expressed for and against official party policy.

Many of my SNP friends are as you say disappointed. I'd never describe SNP supporters as sheep as that would be insulting and puerile. Their views are held with sincerity and principle. I can't change my socialist beliefs, nor would I want to.

The only thing that's unarguable for all of us is that when you hold huge faith in a politician at some point they will let you down badly.
This is a case in point.

[steakbake]

The 'cosy' relationship is overplayed. I reckon you could produce pictures of most party leaders with Murdoch.

For me, I just simply despise The Sun.

As an aside, the inference (by some) that all SNP supporters are sheep is just plain nonsense. These comments are made by individuals who don't know any better. Maybe they should go along to a local SNP branch meeting and check out the diversity of opinion expressed for and against official party policy.

Well, they can't be everything and nothing. I'm not an SNP voter, but I do think the reaction over the past few years of the opposition and the media to an extent, is like a child who has had their ball stolen by a kid they don't think has a right to play.

I had a particularly dull conversation with someone who was saying that the SNP have Tartan Tories and Left-wingers in their midsts as if this was news or somehow alarming.

I did point out that his favourite party contained both Tony Benn, at one time George Galloway and Tony Blair/Jack Straw and others more on the right. The Tories housed the likes of Thatcher/Tebbitt and Hessletine/Clark.

[500miles]

To be fair, it's by far the most popular paper in Scotland. There can't be that many people who are sincere in their outrage if that is the case.

[snooky]

No it isn't.
The picture with the Dandy is the photoshop fake. That is a new picture of NS. The Dandy hasn't been in publication since 2012 and when it was it was A4 size. The publication in her hand is tabloid size. That's not some "hateful yoon" talking, it's Lesley Riddoch.

This is just desperate backtracking to cover up a PR blunder. This should never have been allowed to happen. No progressive politician (SNP, Labour, Lib Dem, Green) after this week, should ever pose with that rag.

:agree: 100%

[RyeSloan]

Is it the Hillsborough connection and the Sun that makes SNP supporters 'dissapointed' or something else? The SNP and Murdoch have had a cosy relationship for years now so why the sudden outrage.


But but but that can't be the case...all I've read on here in the last few years is how the MSM Is totally against the SNP and Independence and that their is a huge conspiracy to always paint the SNP in a negative light. Yet here we are with the nations top selling daily newspaper and Nicola Sturgeon in cahoots....

[snooky]

Is it the Hillsborough connection and the Sun that makes SNP supporters 'dissapointed' or something else? The SNP and Murdoch have had a cosy relationship for years now so why the sudden outrage.

FWIW, I smelled a rat when the Sun started backing Tony Blair way back when, hence my concerns regarding the non-Dandy photo.
I abhor the Sun & all that it stands for. Mind you, I kinda feel the same about the Scotsman, the Telegraph, The Record, The Daily Mail, et al. :cool2:

[AndyM_1875]

FWIW, I smelled a rat when the Sun started backing Tony Blair way back when, hence my concerns regarding the non-Dandy photo.
I abhor the Sun & all that it stands for. Mind you, I kinda feel the same about the Scotsman, the Telegraph, The Record, The Daily Mail, et al. :cool2:

Wings Over Scotland can join that list.....:agree:

[snooky]

Wings Over Scotland can join that list.....:agree:

Fair enough. :greengrin

[AndyM_1875]

Fair enough. :greengrin
:wink:

In seriousness I do read Bella and Common Space.
Just got no time for Rev Stu and his hatemongering.

[johnbc70]

But but but that can't be the case...all I've read on here in the last few years is how the MSM Is totally against the SNP and Independence and that their is a huge conspiracy to always paint the SNP in a negative light. Yet here we are with the nations top selling daily newspaper and Nicola Sturgeon in cahoots....

MI5 are clearly behind this.

[snooky]

:wink:

In seriousness I do read Bella and Common Space.
Just got no time for Rev Stu and his hatemongering.

I read bits and pieces from both sides of the indy question as well as politics in general to try and get a balance.
TBH, there's so much bollox spouted from all angles it's very difficult at times to know what's really going on - the Dandy escapade being one of the lighter examples.

It's amazing how many people (as mentioned by beefster earlier) are so non-objective to their own beliefs.
"There's none so blind as those who will not see".
That said, your vista is heavily dependent on where you view it from.

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13100916_10156864004235504_4385788712548986659_n.j pg?oh=8266a2b7662fda739fedea8ea751e7d9&oe=579F883E

That's shameful.

[AndyM_1875]

I read bits and pieces from both sides of the indy question as well as politics in general to try and get a balance.
TBH, there's so much bollox spouted from all angles it's very difficult at times to know what's really going on - the Dandy escapade being one of the lighter examples.

It's amazing how many people (as mentioned by beefster earlier) are so non-objective to their own beliefs.
"There's none so blind as those who will not see".
That said, your vista is heavily dependant on where you view it from.

That's very fair. I've constantly examined my political beliefs, asked am I being true to my beliefs etc. It's not like supporting a football team IMHO despite what some might think. I abandoned Labour during the mid Blair years and went with SNP. I've grown disenchanted with them for a number of reasons: over centralisation, half baked legislation (OBAF Act), Presidential personality politics and the inability to get over the IndyRef result.

On a local level in my area, the SNP have offered up some truly terrible Holyrood candidates including Bill Walker. The local hustings which I attended with an open mind were awful. The SNP candidate had no interest in the local issues being discussed. She doesn't live in the area and had no answers when asked about rebuilding two local schools, issues with the local college, issues with roads, much to the despair of a local SNP Councillor present.

Having voted for them in 2007,2010, 2011, Yes in 2014 and 2015 where I now have a totally uninterested MP, I cannot vote SNP on Thursday.

[--------]

That's shameful.



And utterly, humungously STUPID. :rolleyes:

[steakbake]

Number of daily Scottish Sun readership = around 224,000

Number of people likely to feel strong enough to actually change their vote according to their feelings about Murdoch/The Sun/Hillsborough..... ? And where would these people likely go with their vote?

Labour - actively courted the Sun over many of the past 10 years and far beyond... May 2015 election, their former leader posed with a copy...as did the leaders the Lib Dems. Tories - want Murdoch in their pocket and have shimmied the press rules in the country in order to facilitate him. UKIP - they have the Express and the Mail to some extent. LibDems?

I suggest go to the Greens, people!

I would think for the SNP they view this as something of a calculated risk. It might backfire, it might not. They possibly feel that they've built up enough in the credit pile to handle a couple of debits overall. I wouldn't think that's arrogance, just electoral mathematics, which is probably the basis of many decisions by parties seeking votes.

Still doesn't sit well with me, but hey, it's not my vote they're trying to get through appearing in that particular paper.

[Moulin Yarns]

:wink:

In seriousness I do read Bella and Common Space.
Just got no time for Rev Stu and his hatemongering.

Funny you should say that...

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/3947/jonathan-rimmer-we-need-to-talk-about-wings-over-scotland

[snooky]

Funny you should say that...

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/3947/jonathan-rimmer-we-need-to-talk-about-wings-over-scotland

JR entitled to his opinion however, being the OTT cynic that I am, I wonder why Mr Rimmer chose this particular moment to highlight this particular grievance? I note he says in a blurb about himself on another website "I wouldn't consider myself a nationalist". :hmmm:

BTW, I do agree with David Francis re. disagreeing with JR's conclusions.

[judas]

I'll vote SNP, but this is an extremely unfortunate picture.

That paper is an abomination in my eyes.

The SNP and Independence are opposed by all daily rags except this one (strange given the apparent support for both among the populace). But I'd rather NS stuck with the internet platform that has been so effective, than to sink to this level.

Politicians eh.

[Hibbyradge]

Funny you should say that...

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/3947/jonathan-rimmer-we-need-to-talk-about-wings-over-scotland

What makes people refuse to apologise in these sorts of circumstances?

I won't be reading anything Wings over Bath has to say again.

[snooky]

I'll vote SNP, but this is an extremely unfortunate picture.

That paper is an abomination in my eyes.

The SNP and Independence are opposed by all daily rags except this one (strange given the apparent support for both among the populace). But I'd rather NS stuck with the internet platform that has been so effective, than to sink to this level.
Politicians eh.

This is perfect example of someone seeing the small picture and not the big one.

(The lady in the photo I mean, not your post)

[WeeRussell]

Really all that worse than giving an interview for the BBC?


:coffee: