Bartley, El Alagui, McGeouch, Carmichael

[Diclonius]

Any idea on the injury status of these four? Bartley nowhere to be found in the matchday squad on Tuesday, don't think any explanation has been given. McGeouch & Carmichael - where are they? And did Stubbs mention what's up with El Alagui this time?

[J-C]

2 weeks

[Iain G]

Tweaks?

[woodythehibee]

Any idea on the injury status of these four? Bartley nowhere to be found in the matchday squad on Tuesday, don't think any explanation has been given. McGeouch & Carmichael - where are they? And did Stubbs mention what's up with El Alagui this time?

Bartley - no idea

Dylan - Ready to play, but Stubbs is holding him back to make sure he is 100% ready. We may see him at the weekend or Tuesday night.

Carmichael - Away seeing a specialist. Groin trouble. Looks as if he doesn't need a further operation. Who knows when he will be back. Feel sorry for the lad though.

Fonts - He should be ready for the weekend. Thigh strain.

Farid - Apparently not pulled his hamstring, but tweaked it.

[scoopyboy]

Bartley - no idea

Dylan - Ready to play, but Stubbs is holding him back to make sure he is 100% ready. We may see him at the weekend or Tuesday night.

Carmichael - Away seeing a specialist. Groin trouble. Looks as if he doesn't need a further operation. Who knows when he will be back. Feel sorry for the lad though.

Fonts - He should be ready for the weekend. Thigh strain.

Farid - Apparently not pulled his hamstring, but tweaked it.

Bartley - concussion

[HibsNutter]

Don't want to see McGeouch back for a while, unless they're sure he'll last. He obviously has a problem that needs fixed if he's to be reliable in the long-run.

[Marco G]

Bartley - concussion
He did take a bang to the head against St Mirren, just before they scored their offside goal. But the ref did not bother to stop the game for his head injury!

[woodythehibee]

Bartley - concussion

:aok:

[scoopyboy]

He did take a bang to the head against St Mirren, just before they scored their offside goal. But the ref did not bother to stop the game for his head injury!

That's the one.

The players were saying that the linesman was adamant that it was offside but the ref wouldn't listen. They could here him saying off, off, off several times on the walkie talkie thingy.

I did notice that the linesman didn't run back to the halfway line as is the norm when a goal is scored.

[Brooster]

Any idea on the injury status of these four? Bartley nowhere to be found in the matchday squad on Tuesday, don't think any explanation has been given. McGeouch & Carmichael - where are they? And did Stubbs mention what's up with El Alagui this time?

What would Hibs have to gain by announcing the injury situation?

[Hibstrooper]

I did notice that the linesman didn't run back to the halfway line as is the norm when a goal is scored.

Yeah but he also didn't put up his flag, he just stood there. I think he was half expecting the game to have been stopped because of the head knock

[R'Albin]

Bartley - concussion

Any idea how long that could sideline him?

[Thecat23]

Any idea how long that could sideline him?

He's ok now.

[stantonhibby]

That's the one.

The players were saying that the linesman was adamant that it was offside but the ref wouldn't listen. They could here him saying off, off, off several times on the walkie talkie thingy.

I did notice that the linesman didn't run back to the halfway line as is the norm when a goal is scored.

Not easier to just stick his flag up!

[scoopyboy]

Yeah but he also didn't put up his flag, he just stood there. I think he was half expecting the game to have been stopped because of the head knock

He seemed to be making a point of holding the flag against his leg as if that was a signal for something:dunno:

[scoopyboy]

Not easier to just stick his flag up!

Dunno, I'm not a linesman but I would have thought communication by voice over the walkie talkie would be easier than semaphore.

If you were 100 yards away from a mate would you communicate by mobile phone or wave flags to and fro?

[stantonhibby]

Dunno, I'm not a linesman but I would have thought communication by voice over the walkie talkie would be easier than semaphore.

If you were 100 yards away from a mate would you communicate by mobile phone or wave flags to and fro?


Appreciate that however harder for a ref to ignore a linesman standing with his flag up. Either way a shocking decision all round.

[scoopyboy]

Appreciate that however harder for a ref to ignore a linesman standing with his flag up. Either way a shocking decision all round.

Linesman told the players he was furious with the ref as he just wouldn't listen. I agree though, shocking decision all round.

On two counts, head knock should have seen the game stopped right away and the offside decision we are debating.

[3pm]

Linesman told the players he was furious with the ref as he just wouldn't listen. I agree though, shocking decision all round.

On two counts, head knock should have seen the game stopped right away and the offside decision we are debating.

Someone suggested the ref supported Falkirk. Can't remember if it was on here or at the game.

Makes you wonder.

[Sir David Gray]

Someone said that Bartley had been announced somewhere as being in the team on Tuesday night. :dunno:

Glad to hear it's nothing major.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Seen big Farid in Dobbies this afternoon. Was with my very elderly gran so couldn't catch up with him to ask how he was [emoji5] However he looked to be walking pretty freely which I took as a good sign. I was walking like John Wayne for a fort night last time I proper pulled my hammy.

[Bothar Casca]

I can shed some light on the linesman situation. Some referees will only use their linesman as a confirmation of sorts for what they want done. For example the ref will signal for a throw first and the linesman will then point in the direction the ref tells him. This happens with offside too, in this case it sounds as if the linesman has tried telling the ref it was off, the ref has disagreed and so the linesman kept his flag down so as not to undermine his "superior".

[Sir David Gray]

I can shed some light on the linesman situation. Some referees will only use their linesman as a confirmation of sorts for what they want done. For example the ref will signal for a throw first and the linesman will then point in the direction the ref tells him. This happens with offside too, in this case it sounds as if the linesman has tried telling the ref it was off, the ref has disagreed and so the linesman kept his flag down so as not to undermine his "superior".

I'm sure that's the case but I cannot, for the life of me, understand how a referee can overrule a linesman when it comes to an offside decision.

[Monts]

I'm sure that's the case but I cannot, for the life of me, understand how a referee can overrule a linesman when it comes to an offside decision.

If he thinks it wasn't played by the attacking team

[Blaster]

I'm sure that's the case but I cannot, for the life of me, understand how a referee can overrule a linesman when it comes to an offside decision.

I think only if he believes the ball came off a defending team player. Other than that completely agree

[CmoantheHibs]

I can shed some light on the linesman situation. Some referees will only use their linesman as a confirmation of sorts for what they want done. For example the ref will signal for a throw first and the linesman will then point in the direction the ref tells him. This happens with offside too, in this case it sounds as if the linesman has tried telling the ref it was off, the ref has disagreed and so the linesman kept his flag down so as not to undermine his "superior".


I am sure what you are saying is correct but it really makes the referee out to be arrogant and unprofessional.A lineman is there for a number of reasons which 3 of the main ones as I see it are
1. He will be in a better position to judge offsides.A linesman places himself pretty close to the last defender in an attacking situation so therefor should have a better view than the referee.The ref is generally around the action so any long ball leaves him at a huge disadvantage to judge offsides.
2. To judge whether a ball has crossed the line and who has had the last touch.The linesman is generally closer to the action with a less restricted view.
3. To offer an extra pair of eyes from a different angle in any given situation.Whether this be something the ref may have missed, through no fault of his own, having 2 people looking on when there is a scuffle between many players or just being in a different position to see things that the referee cannot.
To think he can make every decision better by himself is sheer arrogance and unprofessional and this sort of attitude is restrictive to his performance.It amazes me that people with this attitude can make it to such a level in the game.

[Bothar Casca]

I am sure what you are saying is correct but it really makes the referee out to be arrogant and unprofessional.A lineman is there for a number of reasons which 3 of the main ones as I see it are
1. He will be in a better position to judge offsides.A linesman places himself pretty close to the last defender in an attacking situation so therefor should have a better view than the referee.The ref is generally around the action so any long ball leaves him at a huge disadvantage to judge offsides.
2. To judge whether a ball has crossed the line and who has had the last touch.The linesman is generally closer to the action with a less restricted view.
3. To offer an extra pair of eyes from a different angle in any given situation.Whether this be something the ref may have missed, through no fault of his own, having 2 people looking on when there is a scuffle between many players or just being in a different position to see things that the referee cannot.
To think he can make every decision better by himself is sheer arrogance and unprofessional and this sort of attitude is restrictive to his performance.It amazes me that people with this attitude can make it to such a level in the game.

i completely agree with you. But the bit in bold is the only explanation I've ever had.

[Iggy Pope]

Linesman told the players he was furious with the ref as he just wouldn't listen. I agree though, shocking decision all round.

On two counts, head knock should have seen the game stopped right away and the offside decision we are debating.

I couldn't believe the goal stood. The lino stood, stood some more and stood again. Shouldn't he race to halfway when it's a legit goal? I stared at him while they played their ****ty celebratory music thinking how weird it would be for them when it was eventually chalked off. Albeit ages late like the Falkirk scene at ER last season. But no. The furore died down, he rolled over and trotted back like a good boy, looking far from furious. He should have stuck his flag up and left it up. At least those in attendance would have witnessed that, perhaps, he had a clue. Instead of which, those in attendance realised that he is in fact, an absolute ****.

[hibby6270]

I couldn't believe the goal stood. The lino stood, stood some more and stood again. Shouldn't he race to halfway when it's a legit goal? I stared at him while they played their ****ty celebratory music thinking how weird it would be for them when it was eventually chalked off. Albeit ages late like the Falkirk scene at ER last season. But no. The furore died down, he rolled over and trotted back like a good boy, looking far from furious. He should have stuck his flag up and left it up. At least those in attendance would have witnessed that, perhaps, he had a clue. Instead of which, those in attendance realised that he is in fact, an absolute ****.

Was that the one where the female linesman just stood there and made Willie Collum go over to her after he gave the goal? Whatever she said to him, he changed his mind and ruled the goal as offside.
If it wasn't the Falkirk game last season, it did definitely happen at some stage. Just cannae remember who we were playing though.

[Iggy Pope]

Was that the one where the female linesman just stood there and made Willie Collum go over to her after he gave the goal? Whatever she said to him, he changed his mind and ruled the goal as offside.
If it wasn't the Falkirk game last season, it did definitely happen at some stage. Just cannae remember who we were playing though.

I think it was Falkirk. Maybe the 3-3 game? The ball was back on the centre spot ready to kick off again when he chalked it off. I was convinced we had the same situation again.
Maybe the lady lino whispers things that the skinny freak on Saturday doesn't have in his locker.

[JimBHibees]

Someone suggested the ref supported Falkirk. Can't remember if it was on here or at the game.

Makes you wonder.

Yep sounds like blatant cheating by ref however maybe the Lino wasn't telling players the truth to cover his ass surely he should have put his flag up. Appalling decision which potentially cost us 2 points.

[brog]

Im sorry but at a professional level the ref does not have the authority to tell the lino when he should or shouldnt signal. The lino at St M never raised his flag, he failed in his duty, thats it. If he'd flagged the ref would have ruled it out.

[GreenArmyyy!]

Any idea on the injury status of these four? Bartley nowhere to be found in the matchday squad on Tuesday, don't think any explanation has been given. McGeouch & Carmichael - where are they? And did Stubbs mention what's up with El Alagui this time?

The line-up on Tuesday had Bartley as starting I'm sure and then he was nowhere to be seen, no idea what happened....

[Radium]

The line-up on Tuesday had Bartley as starting I'm sure and then he was nowhere to be seen, no idea what happened....

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/tv/video/977

medical advice re headknock - 2:35 in. No idea what went wrong with the tweets.

[J-C]

The line-up on Tuesday had Bartley as starting I'm sure and then he was nowhere to be seen, no idea what happened....


Team was maybe picked the night before but if he had concussion, he might not have recovered in time, think you need 7 days for concussion.

[silverhibee]

The line-up on Tuesday had Bartley as starting I'm sure and then he was nowhere to be seen, no idea what happened....

Keep this between me and you, but I heard he was in London promoting a boxing match, source, seen it on snapchat. :greengrin

[kaimendhibs]

Someone suggested the ref supported Falkirk. Can't remember if it was on here or at the game.

Makes you wonder.

I said it. He is a big Falkirk supporter, that is a cast iron fact😠