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Newhaven

04-04-2016, 09:03 AM

stantonhibby

04-04-2016, 09:09 AM

The opposition are always still in the game, we dont really kill teams off. They always think they can nick something from the game because of this.

Agree.....we don't take enough of our chances. Home game v Morton is a prime example.

Gatecrasher

04-04-2016, 09:29 AM

Have we not said that for the last two years?

It's always the next time for hibs isn't it.

:agree: it's mental some of the relaxed attitude some have to our current situation. The current situation is ridiculous. We are sleep walking into a huge decline of our club if we are not careful.

SJM

04-04-2016, 09:36 AM

:agree: it's mental some of the relaxed attitude some have to our current situation. The current situation is ridiculous. We are sleep walking into a huge decline of our club if we are not careful.

We slept walked into that decline about 5 years ago and lost around 5,000 regular fans. Now it's complete panic stations as a club if we are down here for our third season with no guarantee of having a decent squad of players let alone promotion.

Gatecrasher

04-04-2016, 09:39 AM

We slept walked into that decline about 5 years ago and lost around 5,000 regular fans. Now it's complete panic stations as a club if we are down here for our third season with no guarantee of having a decent squad of players let alone promotion.

Yet we still have folk saying there's always next year. Look at the sales for the semi final tickets, has there ever been such a low response to a hibs game at hampden? We will be up **** Creek if this isn't sorted.

mcfly

04-04-2016, 09:40 AM

surely the time for recriminations and panicking is if we lose the semi final and don't get promoted.

Let's not panic in the stands as that will get down to the pitch

Back the team and see where we end up.

It's not a disaster yet - optimism please not pessimism 🇳🇬🇳🇬

mcfly

04-04-2016, 09:43 AM

Gatecrasher

04-04-2016, 09:58 AM

SJM

04-04-2016, 10:05 AM

Yet we still have folk saying there's always next year. Look at the sales for the semi final tickets, has there ever been such a low response to a hibs game at hampden? We will be up **** Creek if this isn't sorted.

Have to agree with you, I'm extremely worried about failure to go up and next season isn't going to be pretty at all at this rate. Anything but "fine"

SJM

04-04-2016, 10:08 AM

All those people posting comments re declines, sleepwalking to a disaster

What would you do????

Yea we are 5,6 games with no win but did we not go 20 games without defeat??

Look at the games at tynecastle?? Did that not show character, ability and team spirit.

As I say back the team and see where we are end of May

We are in the lower leagues of Scottish football. Four or five games without a win is shameful and unacceptable.

I'm happy as well to back the team to the end and reevaluate come May. It's not all nice and rosey if we fail to go up though, we have lost thousands through the gates already and failure to go up this season and a third in this ****ty league that nobody will even care about with no Huns in it its only going to get worse.

Smartie

04-04-2016, 10:11 AM

The person who can do more about this than anyone is Stubbs.

If he gets his act together, juggles the players in the squad and ditches the tactics and combinations that are not cutting it for us right now then we might we fine.

What do we do as fans? Well, I don't think we just shut up and meekly go along with it all. If Stubbs continues in this fashion then I think we should give him dogs abuse. He tweaks it and changes it then I think we get behind him and the players. He's paid to make decisions, not stubbornly drift along.

Either he gets his finger out or he should get his jotters. The diamond has been found out and our injuries mean we can't play it with the valuable personnel anyway.

There are managers out there who could give us the lift we so badly need at this stage in the season if Stubbs doesn't want to do it himself.

There has been enough "sleepwalking" over the past decade, we can't tolerate any more.

Nakedmanoncrack

04-04-2016, 10:29 AM

Let's see where we are at the end of the season, if it ends in failure again serious questions must be asked about who is best suited to take the club forward as manager, in those circumstances it would be hard to argue that Stubbs should be given more time. I like Stubbs, but it's not about treating him fairly etc it's about what is best for the club, a change of manager is sometimes the best move. Look at Hearts, was it harsh to replace Locke? It certainly looked that way to many, but who could argue that it wasn't the best move for the club (unfortunately)? People say we need continuity etc but it's nonsense, it doesn't take years of failure to build a team, a good manager can turn things around quickly.

Lago

04-04-2016, 11:17 AM

We are in the lower leagues of Scottish football. Four or five games without a win is shameful and unacceptable.

I'm happy as well to back the team to the end and reevaluate come May. It's not all nice and rosey if we fail to go up though, we have lost thousands through the gates already and failure to go up this season and a third in this ****ty league that nobody will even care about with no Huns in it its only going to get worse.
Your right on all the points you make. I've said from the start of the season the one and only goal for Hibs this season is promtion, nothing less, anything on top of that is a bonus, even the Scottish cup. To read on here that some are prepared to accept another season in this league is defeatism in my opinion. If Hibs fail to be ptomoted then there is no way Alan Stubbs, nice guy that he is, should be entrusted with the managers job, quite simiply he will have failed and failed twice over. I also feel Hibs were too quick to extend his contract, on what basis was that decision made, certainly not on results. I think in many ways Hibs tried to replicate the Tony Mowbray appointment , young, unknown coach who was responsible for bringing an exciting brand of football to ER, although in real terms he also failed to achieve anything. Perhaps with hindsight a more mature coach would have had more success getting us out of this league.

Beefster

04-04-2016, 11:27 AM

Have we not said that for the last two years?

It's always the next time for hibs isn't it.

Next year, if we're still in the Championship, it will be Dunfermline/St Mirren/Dundee Utd/Kilmarnock.

greenpaper55

04-04-2016, 12:07 PM

Next year, if we're still in the Championship, it will be Dunfermline/St Mirren/Dundee Utd/Kilmarnock.

When you see that and the way we are playing at the moment you do begin to wonder how long it will take to get back to the big time, an utter disgrace that we have sunk to this !.

SJM

04-04-2016, 12:10 PM

Your right on all the points you make. I've said from the start of the season the one and only goal for Hibs this season is promtion, nothing less, anything on top of that is a bonus, even the Scottish cup. To read on here that some are prepared to accept another season in this league is defeatism in my opinion. If Hibs fail to be ptomoted then there is no way Alan Stubbs, nice guy that he is, should be entrusted with the managers job, quite simiply he will have failed and failed twice over. I also feel Hibs were too quick to extend his contract, on what basis was that decision made, certainly not on results. I think in many ways Hibs tried to replicate the Tony Mowbray appointment , young, unknown coach who was responsible for bringing an exciting brand of football to ER, although in real terms he also failed to achieve anything. Perhaps with hindsight a more mature coach would have had more success getting us out of this league.

Agree 100%. Not sure who the alternative to Stubbs would have been back then to be honest but I'm confident now we could of needed find a manager to take us back up. Look at the job someone like Mark McGhee and Jim McIntyre are doing just down for instance. That not my job though. I would personally go with Stuart McCall or someone from down South who knows how to get teams promoted.

SJM

04-04-2016, 12:11 PM

When you see that and the way we are playing at the moment you do begin to wonder how long it will take to get back to the big time, an utter disgrace that we have sunk to this !.

Raith look a better bet than us currently. Never mind the 4 sides mentioned. It could be quite easy for one of them to get a good start to the season next season, we stutter as before and it's catch up all year again.

stantonhibby

04-04-2016, 12:13 PM

Agree 100%. Not sure who the alternative to Stubbs would have been back then to be honest but I'm confident now we could of needed find a manager to take us back up. Look at the job someone like Mark McGhee and Jim McIntyre are doing just down for instance. That not my job though. I would personally go with Stuart McCall or someone from down South who knows how to get teams promoted.

McGhee has had Motherwell on a good run since Feb but prior to that they were murder and looked set for a relegation scrap. Presumably you would have been calling for his head before this run of form though.

Beefster

04-04-2016, 12:21 PM

McGhee has had Motherwell on a good run since Feb but prior to that they were murder and looked set for a relegation scrap. Presumably you would have been calling for his head before this run of form though.

McGhee only took over in October so what you're really saying is that as soon as he had a chance to change personnel in January, he got results. I'm not sure that that is in any way similar to Hibs right now.

greenpaper55

04-04-2016, 12:22 PM

McGhee has had Motherwell on a good run since Feb but prior to that they were murder and looked set for a relegation scrap. Presumably you would have been calling for his head before this run of form though.

If recent results had happened in the SPL and we were mid table then i doubt many would be calling for a rethink on Stubbs but the fact that all the games lost were crucial makes it a different matter. If he manages to turn it round and get us promoted then all good and well but i wouldnae hold my breath on that one, why should anything change ?
Any manager is only six defeats away from the sack IMHO, if we don't get promoted how long do we give him, another two seasons of this ?

SJM

04-04-2016, 12:23 PM

McGhee has had Motherwell on a good run since Feb but prior to that they were murder and looked set for a relegation scrap. Presumably you would have been calling for his head before this run of form though.

Would I? Who's calling for anyone's head?

Stubbs has had a lot more time with the club and the fans than the few months McGhee got as did Butcher. The fans are again not to blame for this.

stantonhibby

04-04-2016, 12:23 PM

McGhee only took over in October so what you're really saying is that as soon as he had a change to change personnel in January, he got results. I'm not sure that that is in any way similar to Hibs right now.

Fair comment

DH1875

04-04-2016, 12:49 PM

very simply that there won't be a strong Rangers in the league and we will hopefully have a manager who knows what he is doing and employs the necessary tactics to get out of this league

What's it got to do with rangers though :confused:. We are in the position we are in because of the likes of Morton and Dumbarton, nowt to do with rangers.
The whole rangers argument is starting to do my head in and I for one fully expected to push them all the way this season.

Forza Fred

04-04-2016, 12:57 PM

What's it got to do with rangers though :confused:. We are in the position we are in because of the likes of Morton and Dumbarton, nowt to do with rangers.
The whole rangers argument is starting to do my head in and I for one fully expected to push them all the way this season.

You are correct in what you say about Dumbarton and Morton, but I can't but think that psychologically we couldn't cope with having Rangers in the league with us again this season.

I believe if we are in this backwater division next season, and it is a strong possibility, that without Hearts and Rangers we will WALK the league.

No disrespect to Dundee Uts and probably even Hamilton, but I think we can cope much, much better mentally facing these sides, than we do Hearts and Rangers.

SJM

04-04-2016, 01:09 PM

Forza Fred

04-04-2016, 01:19 PM

To walk the league we have to start beating the Dumbartons and Mortons and forget about who is up the top of the league. We are third for a reason right now and you could argue the league will be stronger next season regardless of Rangers and we of course could be weaker.

Accept what you say, but psychologically we would get such a boost with there being no Sevco, that I still think we would romp it in.

Obviously not based on verifiable data, but my belief.

silverhibee

04-04-2016, 02:17 PM

Accept what you say, but psychologically we would get such a boost with there being no Sevco, that I still think we would romp it in.

Obviously not based on verifiable data, but my belief.

Why have we not romped 2nd place in this league this season.

greenpaper55

04-04-2016, 02:17 PM

Mark Mcghee feared the sack for the losing run

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35956125

Not much different from the run Stubbs is on !

SJM

04-04-2016, 02:21 PM

Mark Mcghee feared the sack for the losing run

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35956125

Not much different from the run Stubbs is on !

It would have been bonkers to sack him so early into his reign. Hopefully our manager turns the corner with a team of his own players at this lower level this season. That's the end result I'm sure everyone wants.

hibee_nation

04-04-2016, 02:55 PM

You are correct in what you say about Dumbarton and Morton, but I can't but think that psychologically we couldn't cope with having Rangers in the league with us again this season.

I believe if we are in this backwater division next season, and it is a strong possibility, that without Hearts and Rangers we will WALK the league.

No disrespect to Dundee Uts and probably even Hamilton, but I think we can cope much, much better mentally facing these sides, than we do Hearts and Rangers.

It's not how we cope against Dundee utd that will be the problem, it's how Dundee utd cope against the so called weaker teams. If they regularly beat them but we don't as has happened the last 2 seasons we will stay down again. We need to get a system to break down these teams pronto.

greenlex

04-04-2016, 03:52 PM

Why have we not romped 2nd place in this league this season.
Basically because Falkirk are punching above their weight and we have had a handful of pish results.

Paisley Hibby

04-04-2016, 04:37 PM

We deserved to win today. St Midden had very few chances and really only controlled the game for a short period of time.

You could say exactly the same thing about loads of the games we've lost since Stubbs took over. It's not bad luck, there's something fundamentally wrong with how we are set up.