St Mirren 2 Hibernian 2 (Cummings, El Alagui)

[cabbageandribs1875]

fs raith equalise

[Danderhall Hibs]

Would the draw deny the huns till next week?

Tuesday I think.

[HiBremian]

Would the draw deny the huns till next week?

Raith - Huns 3-3:wink:

[Joe6-2]

Hah ha Raith equalise!

[murray26]

2 each but still 8 points behind Falkirk..

[Off the bar]

Raith - Huns 3-3:wink:

That'll do it!

[Andy74]

Farid needs to get more time and get playing with some width and pace to supply him.

[Forever_Green93]

Yas!!! Well done farid.

[MWHIBBIES]

No idea why Farid hasn't been playing more.Isn't that hard to work out honestly, with zero cartilage in his knee Ledley King could only play once a week max, I imagine Farid is similar.

[SaulGoodman]

Normally a happy clapper but that goal is doing nothing but papering over cracks.

[Septimus]

Big decisions needed

Bring in 1 of the other goalies to the first team
Bring Gunnarsson into the defence
Send Stokes back to Celtic
Get rid of the pathetic diamond formation

and the big carrot - offer massive bonuses for winning the play offs.

Continuing like this isn't working

And while they are dumping everything please get rid of this stupid purple strip.

[AlbertK86]

Falkirk 2-2

[Albanian Hibs]

Qos equalise

[Onceinawhile]

QOTS equalise!

[SaulGoodman]

Falkirk 2-2

[21.05.2016]

4 games in a row without a win in this league is unacceptable.

QoS just equalised against falirk in last minute

[skyehibee]

2-2 Falkirk

[Bishop Hibee]

If Farid is fit he needs to start. Ideal player for this *****y league.

[Joe6-2]

QotS equalise!

[Delboy4]

2-2 Falkirk

[stantonhibby]

QoS equalise

[BarneyHibby]

Thank You, Farid!:agree::thumbsup:

[carnoustiehibee]

Farid needs to get more time and get playing with some width and pace to supply him.

Your making things too simple. It's hours of tactical diamonds and different continental formations the experts expect

[One Day Soon]

And while theyb are dumping everything please get rid of this stupid purple strip.

Amen to that

[Thecat23]

Not the worst results today after all. As you were! Still not good enough and need to be winning these games.

[Andy74]

Falkirk 2-2

That's better. Still, a missed opportunity again. And 5 without a win.

[PaulC]

And while they are dumping everything please get rid of this stupid purple strip.

Agree, cannot stand it !!!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

costly game for bookings as well


16 fouls 4 yellows

[Man Down Under]

Every game in the championship a draw today.

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[Boyle89]

Yaaaas! Looked awful 5mins ago. Looks a whole lots better now. This has to be a wake up call to the players. Nothing but wins will do from here on in!

[Pete]

So after today's games it's as you were all over the top of the league.

Looks like one or two people's smartphones won't take that much of a hammering tonight. :rolleyes:

[McIntosh]

How many points behind Falkirk now?

[SaulGoodman]

Yaaaas! Looked awful 5mins ago. Looks a whole lots better now. This has to be a wake up call to the players. Nothing but wins will do from here on in!

The loss against Morton should've been a wake up call.

And Dumbarton

And QoS

And Raith..

[cabbageandribs1875]

How many points behind Falkirk now?


it was all draws so....

[007 Mickey Weir]

Hibs let off with everyone drawing. We MUST win on Tuesday. Changes needed.

4-4-2

Farid and Cummings up front

[Spike Mandela]

Football eh? Jeez.:greengrin

[murray26]

Out of jail today but big improvements needed.. 1 win in 7 league games on this division is terrible..

[BarneyHibby]

Falkirk 2-2Great news for us.

[mghibs]

Lad summarising the Hibs game on open all mics could not sound any more disinterested... Really need to sort this form out...


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[SaulGoodman]

Gunnarson McGregor Hanlon Stevenson
Boyle McGinn Henderson
Stokes Farid Cummings

[Alfred E Newman]

It shows why you should not vent your spleen till all the results are in!
It also continues what is a horrendous run of results and given the resources available to Stubbs it is not acceptable at this level.

[SteveHFC]

Didn't even deserve that point. We will really need to start winning games again. No excuses.

[AlbertK86]

Lad summarising the Hibs game on open all mics could not sound any more disinterested... Really need to sort this form out... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It was TamMcManus our ex striker !!!
But yer spot on

[Andy74]

So after today's games it's as you were all over the top of the league.

Looks like one or two people's smartphones won't take that much of a hammering tonight. :rolleyes:

Yeah just ticking along is what we expect right enough. If anyone is unhappy about a fifth game in a row without a win in this league they would be very entitled to be.

[Boyle89]

The loss against Morton should've been a wake up call.

And Dumbarton

And QoS

And Raith..
Agreed. What I was meaning is this is the last one we can get away with. If they don't realise that and start winning games I dont think we will go up.

[mghibs]

It was TamMcManus our ex striker !!!
But yer spot on

Ah would explain why he didn't sound happy! Only caught the end of it so didn't know who it was!

[SHODAN]

Got away with that today with QOS equalising. Need a win on Tuesday, no excuses.

[truehibernian]

I'll go glass half full - stops the rot of defeats, Farid scores again, Hanlon gets 90 minutes, another few days for Dylan and Fyvie to get fitter, few home games now to come and a semi final (Dundee Utd totally focused on survival may be an advantage) - if there's anytime the lads need support its now so I hope this 'crowds of 7K' talks gets metaphorically beaten down.

[J-C]

So what will be the ****ing excuses this time, starting to really get pissed off with this team and management, went from enthusiastic to disinterested in the space of 6 games.

[Pete]

Yeah just ticking along is what we expect right enough. If anyone is unhappy about a fifth game in a row without a win in this league they would be very entitled to be.

I was just making a comment about some people's post frequencies. When we win it's a damn sight lower than if we lose.

I'll let you all get on with it in the "not good enough" thread. :aok:

[Thecat23]

From what everyone is saying hibs very unlucky with their goal that was clearly offside. They aren't excuses it's just hard luck! We still should have enough in our locker though to win it but when officials **** up then it's makes it harder.

[Smartie]

I'll go glass half full - stops the rot of defeats, Farid scores again, Hanlon gets 90 minutes, another few days for Dylan and Fyvie to get fitter, few home games now to come and a semi final (Dundee Utd totally focused on survival may be an advantage) - if there's anytime the lads need support its now so I hope this 'crowds of 7K' talks gets metaphorically beaten down.

If you chuck in how it looked with 10 minutes to go (Falkirk winning and us losing) that's a 3 point swing in a very short space of time.

It almost feels like a win, the players may take this as a huge lift and really kick on.

Or maybe they won't.

[blackpoolhibs]

From what everyone is saying hibs very unlucky with their goal that was clearly offside. They aren't excuses it's just hard luck! We still should have enough in our locker though to win it but when officials **** up then it's makes it harder.

Not according to St Mirren tv, clearly onside.

[21.05.2016]

I'll go glass half full - stops the rot of defeats, Farid scores again, Hanlon gets 90 minutes, another few days for Dylan and Fyvie to get fitter, few home games now to come and a semi final (Dundee Utd totally focused on survival may be an advantage) - if there's anytime the lads need support its now so I hope this 'crowds of 7K' talks gets metaphorically beaten down.

Im still 100% behind the team and will be there on tuesday to support them but very pissed off with yet another game without a win. With the team we have we shouldn't be getting beat by teams like Dumbarton, St Mirren, Morton etc. No disrespect to those clubs but look at hearts last year and the huns this year, they were beating those sides very comfortably yet for some reason we aren't managing to.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Worst run of results in the club's history.
Unbelievable. Unacceptable.

Think the season we got relegated was worse, no?

[Thecat23]

Not according to St Mirren tv, clearly onside.

Was he on?

[Beefster]

Think the season we got relegated was worse, no?

I think the quality of the opposition needs to be taken into account.

[truehibernian]

Im still 100% behind the team and will be there on tuesday to support them but very pissed off with yet another game without a win. With the team we have we shouldn't be getting beat by teams like Dumbarton, St Mirren, Morton etc. No disrespect to those clubs but look at hearts last year and the huns this year, they were beating those sides very comfortably yet for some reason we aren't managing to.

I'm not chuffed about those defeats either but in those games we were not scoring and/or converting chances - still an issue I have to say. But if we can get to Hampden and beyond with a full strength squad to pick from I'll be happy - Fyvie and Dylan are huge losses to that midfield and we have been relying heavily on McGinn and Henderson each and every game - two young boys who have played a lot of football this season already including internationals. I want the Keatings, the Dagnall's, the Grays and the Stokes' to start stepping up big time on these occasions - they haven't been frankly.

[blackpoolhibs]

Was he on?

I dont know, just a comment on the radio that said they'd seen the footage on St Mirren tv and Bartley if my memory is right was playing everyone onside.

[Thecat23]

I dont know, just a comment on the radio that said they'd seen the footage on St Mirren tv and Bartley if my memory is right was playing everyone onside.

Ah right, will have to wait and see then for myself.

[coldingham hibs]

I'm not chuffed about those defeats either but in those games we were not scoring and/or converting chances - still an issue I have to say. But if we can get to Hampden and beyond with a full strength squad to pick from I'll be happy - Fyvie and Dylan are huge losses to that midfield and we have been relying heavily on McGinn and Henderson each and every game - two young boys who have played a lot of football this season already including internationals. I want the Keatings, the Dagnall's, the Grays and the Stokes' to start stepping up big time on these occasions - they haven't been frankly.

Like you I hope Dylan & Fraser make a difference but the big question is, will they actually be back playing. I wish the club would tell us the situation with these players as so many of us our building our hopes on their return.

[matty_f]

I dont know, just a comment on the radio that said they'd seen the footage on St Mirren tv and Bartley if my memory is right was playing everyone onside.

Think someone posted earlier on the thread that St Mirren TV showed he was definitely off.

[Beefster]

Think someone posted earlier on the thread that St Mirren TV showed he was definitely off.

AFAIK if the ref doesn't deem an injury to be serious enough to stop the game, the injured player is still 'in play' so presumably Bartley was playing them onside.

[matty_f]

AFAIK if the ref doesn't deem an injury to be serious enough to stop the game, the injured player is still 'in play' so presumably Bartley was playing them onside.

I haven't seen it, but if Bartley was playing them onside it doesn't matter if he's injured or not, it's onside.


Is it definitely the case that Bartley played them on?

[The Tubs]

Not according to St Mirren tv, clearly onside.

The St. Mirren TV with Van Zanten and the boy with a Weedgie lisp thought it was well off too. Was that the one you were watching?

[NorthHibees]

Draw is not really good enough need to be winning games.

[Beefster]

I haven't seen it, but if Bartley was playing them onside it doesn't matter if he's injured or not, it's onside.


Is it definitely the case that Bartley played them on?

Dunno! I *think* I read that he was earlier.

[blackpoolhibs]

The St. Mirren TV with Van Zanten and the boy with a Weedgie lisp thought it was well off too. Was that the one you were watching?

I was not watching. :confused:

[NAE NOOKIE]

FFS ... Got out of jail there, Falkirk must be absolutely kicking themselves for chucking away a 2 - 0 lead.

I don't know WTF is going on with us but its time for the gloves to come off, we were 2 minutes away from a 5 game losing steak in a run where we hadn't even played the Huns or Falkirk. I'm practically happy clapper in residence on here, but even I am beginning to get angry that once again we appear to be choosing the worst possible time to hit our worst run of form.

I listened to the Dundee Utd game on the radio and now after coming back from 2 - 0 down at Dens park they have beaten St Johnstone 1 - 0 away and thoroughly deserved to as well by the sound of it ... they did it playing with 10 men for the last half hour and at a ground where they have a recent poor record.

Not only will they have hit form at the right time for the semi, its looking increasingly likely they can claw their way into 2nd bottom which means we would end up playing an on form Dundee Utd if ( and its increasingly looking like a big if ) we make the play off final, rather than a bang average Killie or Hamilton.

I renewed my ST for next season today and bought tickets for the semi final ...... I will never give up on the club even if this season goes tits up, as unfortunately its looking more and more likely it will.

Having said all that ...................... All I'm asking is that just for F'ing once Hibs do what I want them to do ..... I never expected us to win the Scottish cup, no matter what form the team was in, but as things stand just now the idea is laughable. I did have plenty of hope that we were capable of beating Raith, Falkirk and whoever finishes 2nd bottom in the Premiership to get promoted, but in the current run of form we are in I wouldn't be confident of getting past Raith Rovers to get a shot at Falkirk.

I like Stubbsy very much ................. But I'm getting too bloody old to keep going "never mind, maybe next year" ... I don't care if it means kicking the players up & down the sand dunes at Gullane, getting on his knees and begging them, or selling his soul to the devil ... he has to get them sorted now before its too late .... unless its him that needs sorted, in which case Leeann needs to drag him into her office and make it clear that he isn't Teflon coated.

[Brightside]

Hibs let off with everyone drawing. We MUST win on Tuesday. Changes needed.

4-4-2

Farid and Cummings up front

352 drop stokes and the goalie.

[SaulGoodman]

352 drop stokes and the goalie.

Stoked got the assist for the equaliser

[Lago]

352 drop stokes and the goalie.
Stokes that made the equalising goal.

[emerald green]

Even if Hibs were to make the play-off final (and that's looking uncertain now IMHO), as another poster has pointed out above it's looking like Hibs could possibly run into a rejuvenated Dundee United, should they catch Kilmarnock. DU only 5 points behind now.

Alloa are confirmed as relegated today - I won't miss them or their s*** pitch - and with Dunfermline promoted, getting out of this league could be even harder next season if Hibs don't go up this season. Who knows how many of our best players will remain at the club, or want to remain?

Worrying times I'd say for everyone connected with HFC. There will of course be some who will refuse to see what's staring them in the face and kid on everything is just fine. Something has gone wrong. Recent results don't lie.

[Stuarty27]

Stokes that made the equalising goal.

Please tell me your not putting up a case for starting Stokes on Tuesday ?

He was awful today. Should of been hooked at half time.

[mentalhibee]

I was not watching. :confused:

I was watching, well offside.

[blackpoolhibs]

I was watching, well offside.

Where was Bartley, as according to what i heard on the radio he was playing them all onside?

[cabbageandribs1875]

did Liam Hendrerson have a suspension recently ? that's him on 7 yellows now

[hibee_girl]

did Liam Hendrerson have a suspension recently ? that's him on 7 yellows now

He was suspended against Raith

[Stuarty27]

Where was Bartley, as according to what i heard on the radio he was playing them all onside?
On the deck holding his head.

Took a sore one and the game should of been stopped.

Really poor referring

[cabbageandribs1875]

He was suspended against Raith


ah right enough, he was sitting in the away stand at that game along with PH and another, if it's 6 for a suspension then Marvin Bartley one booking away from a suspension, Lewis stevenson booked again today but the league i'm looking at has him still on 6 instead of 7 along with Liam, and i'm sure the wee man served a suspension few weeks back, ah well

[hibee_girl]

ah right enough, he was sitting in the away stand at that game along with PH and another, if it's 6 for a suspension then Marvin Bartley one booking away from a suspension, Lewis stevenson booked again today but the league i'm looking at has him still on 6 instead of 7 along with Liam, and i'm sure the wee man served a suspension few weeks back, ah well

Stevenson was suspended for the Alloa home game in Feb

[blackpoolhibs]

On the deck holding his head.

Took a sore one and the game should of been stopped.

Really poor referring

Was he playing everyone onside?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Stevenson was suspended for the Alloa home game in Feb

ok dokes, iirc that suspension broke a run of 59/60 continuous games for him

[mim]

Well the opportunist in me put £5 on a Rangers , Falkirk and St Mirren treble to win £90

I'd happily lose that fiver tho

You'll be happy enough then with none out of three :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

I must admit, it's getting worrying now. We were a couple of minutes away from a fifth successive defeat in the Championship. As it is, we have one point to show from those games, which is shocking. I support Stubbs and have faith in his ability to come good this season, but current form is unacceptable. We must start putting some wins together ahead of the play offs and a semi final. More end of season misery is unthinkable.

[hibsboy69]

FFS ... Got out of jail there, Falkirk must be absolutely kicking themselves for chucking away a 2 - 0 lead.

I don't know WTF is going on with us but its time for the gloves to come off, we were 2 minutes away from a 5 game losing steak in a run where we hadn't even played the Huns or Falkirk. I'm practically happy clapper in residence on here, but even I am beginning to get angry that once again we appear to be choosing the worst possible time to hit our worst run of form.

I listened to the Dundee Utd game on the radio and now after coming back from 2 - 0 down at Dens park they have beaten St Johnstone 1 - 0 away and thoroughly deserved to as well by the sound of it ... they did it playing with 10 men for the last half hour and at a ground where they have a recent poor record.

Not only will they have hit form at the right time for the semi, its looking increasingly likely they can claw their way into 2nd bottom which means we would end up playing an on form Dundee Utd if ( and its increasingly looking like a big if ) we make the play off final, rather than a bang average Killie or Hamilton.

I renewed my ST for next season today and bought tickets for the semi final ...... I will never give up on the club even if this season goes tits up, as unfortunately its looking more and more likely it will.

Having said all that ...................... All I'm asking is that just for F'ing once Hibs do what I want them to do ..... I never expected us to win the Scottish cup, no matter what form the team was in, but as things stand just now the idea is laughable. I did have plenty of hope that we were capable of beating Raith, Falkirk and whoever finishes 2nd bottom in the Premiership to get promoted, but in the current run of form we are in I wouldn't be confident of getting past Raith Rovers to get a shot at Falkirk.

I like Stubbsy very much ................. But I'm getting too bloody old to keep going "never mind, maybe next year" ... I don't care if it means kicking the players up & down the sand dunes at Gullane, getting on his knees and begging them, or selling his soul to the devil ... he has to get them sorted now before its too late .... unless its him that needs sorted, in which case Leeann needs to drag him into her office and make it clear that he isn't Teflon coated.

What a great post - pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about things :top marks

[Lago]

Please tell me your not putting up a case for starting Stokes on Tuesday ?

He was awful today. Should of been hooked at half time.
I am not making a case for anyone, I was not at the game so can't make that determination. All I know is he scored against Raith and made the equaliser today. From info I've read and heard many in the Hibs team did not much at all.

[Borderhibbie76]

From what everyone is saying hibs very unlucky with their goal that was clearly offside. They aren't excuses it's just hard luck! We still should have enough in our locker though to win it but when officials **** up then it's makes it harder.
Regardless of the officials TC if our keeper would come and claim a ball in his six yard box...the goal never happens

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[Borderhibbie76]

I dont know, just a comment on the radio that said they'd seen the footage on St Mirren tv and Bartley if my memory is right was playing everyone onside.
He was grounded with a head injury tho yet the ref saw fit to let play continue???

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[Borderhibbie76]

I am not making a case for anyone, I was not at the game so can't make that determination. All I know is he scored against Raith and made the equaliser today. From info I've read and heard many in the Hibs team did not much at all.
Well I was there mate and Stokes was honking...a cross for the equaliser apart and it's not enough to.merit his place in the team I'm afraid. Far too half hearted in almost everything he does

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[Super_JMcGinn]

Regardless of the officials TC if our keeper would come and claim a ball in his six yard box...the goal never happens

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That is his one major failing as a keeper imo, even if he is not confident in catching the ball he could at least come and punch the bloody thing. ANY ball into the 6 yard box is surely a keepers ball, then we go and see him come for that ridiculous ball at Dumbarton when it was NEVER a keepers ball :confused:, he is really down on confidence at the moment and he's not helping our defence out at all.

I think he will be dropped for the next game, especially as he is out for the semi anyway, it kind of let's Stubbs off the hook in a way in saying he's not dropping him but giving our young goalie game time before the semi.

[Borderhibbie76]

That is his one major failing as a keeper imo, even if he is not confident in catching the ball he could at least come and punch the bloody thing. ANY ball into the 6 yard box is surely a keepers ball, then we go and see him come for that ridiculous ball at Dumbarton when it was NEVER a keepers ball :confused:, he is really down on confidence at the moment and he's not helping our defence out at all.

I think he will be dropped for the next game, especially as he is out for the semi anyway, it kind of let's Stubbs off the hook in a way in saying he's not dropping him but giving our young goalie game time before the semi.
Your spot on and he deffo needs a rest or dropped whatever way Stubbs dresses it up

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[Thecat23]

That is his one major failing as a keeper imo, even if he is not confident in catching the ball he could at least come and punch the bloody thing. ANY ball into the 6 yard box is surely a keepers ball, then we go and see him come for that ridiculous ball at Dumbarton when it was NEVER a keepers ball :confused:, he is really down on confidence at the moment and he's not helping our defence out at all.

I think he will be dropped for the next game, especially as he is out for the semi anyway, it kind of let's Stubbs off the hook in a way in saying he's not dropping him but giving our young goalie game time before the semi.

As someone who plays in goals, it's easy to say any ball into the 6 yard box should be the keepers. That's not true! Depends what kind of cross it is to start with where the defenders are and obviously where the keeper is positioned.

There is many situations a keeper coming for a ball in the six yard box and it sails over his head. I'm not defending Ox as sometimes he should be commanding his area whether that be shouting at the defenders keeping them right or coming for cross balls.

I've yet to see the goals from yesterday so can't comment if Ox should have done better or not.

[Onceinawhile]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/scottish-football/10228787/st-mirren-2-2-hibernian

The goals from yesterday.

Thoughts on oxley for the first? Just seems to stand watching.

[Onion]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/scottish-football/10228787/st-mirren-2-2-hibernian

The goals from yesterday.

Thoughts on oxley for the first? Just seems to stand watching.

Things I take from that:

1. The St M boy was well offside at the first. Even at that camera angle you could see he was at least 2 yards off.
2. Stokes did amazingly well to create Hibs 2nd. He had no right to get that back.
3. Ox didn't play to the whistle for the first and was just praying the guy was off. Poor.

[Tyler Durden]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/scottish-football/10228787/st-mirren-2-2-hibernian

The goals from yesterday.

Thoughts on oxley for the first? Just seems to stand watching.

I'm not sure what you expect him to do at that first goal? For me the question is why Gray heads the ball back into bodies rather than wide to his right. Another goal where he's culpable IMO, should've been dropped weeks ago.

At the 2nd goal Paul Hanlon loses his man, caught in no mans land.

The full team are responsible for this run, all of them have made too many silly mistakes

[matty_f]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/scottish-football/10228787/st-mirren-2-2-hibernian

The goals from yesterday.

Thoughts on oxley for the first? Just seems to stand watching.

Boy was well offside, scandalous decision from the ref. He wasn't even close to being onside.

[NAE NOOKIE]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/scottish-football/10228787/st-mirren-2-2-hibernian

The goals from yesterday.

Thoughts on oxley for the first? Just seems to stand watching.

At the first he doesn't play to the whistle ..... he should have been down at the players feet at least trying to make the chance difficult, instead he was practically over moaning at the lino before the ball had hit the net ...... the guy was a yard offside, but any player in this league simply has to presume it will be missed by the officials, if they don't they simply haven't been paying attention.

At the second he is beaten from a really tight angle ... I'll leave it to folk with actual experience of goalkeeping to say whether he could ( or should ) have done better.

[JimBHibees]

Boy was well offside, scandalous decision from the ref. He wasn't even close to being onside.

Quite simply a bent decision though more for the linesman to give. Quite simply can't get that wrong 2 yards off. Ref supports Falkirk apparently, great

[Danderhall Hibs]

any ball into the 6 yard box should be the keepers. That's not true!


:agree: It's a lazy shout.

[Ronniekirk]

I'm not sure what you expect him to do at that first goal? For me the question is why Gray heads the ball back into bodies rather than wide to his right. Another goal where he's culpable IMO, should've been dropped weeks ago.

At the 2nd goal Paul Hanlon loses his man, caught in no mans land.

The full team are responsible for this run, all of them have made too many silly mistakes

The question is why are we making silly mistakes week in week out when before on our winning run we had a decent record of clean sheets and one of the best defences in the league

[Slim Shady]

Who was the referee yesterday?

[Billy Whizz]

Who was the referee yesterday?

Charleston, had him a few times

[Brunswickbill]

Charleston, had him a few times

Totally incompetent. Twice he forgot to wave injured players back on to the park. Among his many other bloomers.

[Hamish]

Well I was there mate and Stokes was honking...a cross for the equaliser apart and it's not enough to.merit his place in the team I'm afraid. Far too half hearted in almost everything he does

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Even the England cricket captain says it isn't his fault.....

[The_Horde]

Even the England cricket captain says it isn't his fault.....

Was involved in the build up for the 1st goal too..