Aberdeen LGBT Supporters Club

[hibby rae]

Aberdeen have formed a LGBT supporters group for their fans, apparently the first club in Scotland to do so. I'd be glad for Hibs to follow suit.


Did we not have a group called 'The Gay Gordons' a few years back? I know this wasn't formed by the club but I don't think most supporters groups are, anyone know what happened to them?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14310496.Aberdeen_FC_launch_Scotland_s_first_LGBT_ supporters_group/

[GreenLake]

The LA Galaxy have an LGBT player who works hard to change attitudes on and off the pitch. He is very popular with the fans.

http://www.lagalaxy.com/post/2015/06/10/join-robbie-rogers-and-la-galaxy-june-24th-lgbt-pride-night

[Ozyhibby]

Ours would be huge because [emoji445]'all the hibees are gay'[emoji445]


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[speedy_gonzales]

The "Dandy Dons" indeed, fair play to them!

[Billy Whizz]

Sorry what's LGBT

[Hibernia&Alba]

Good work by Aberdeen. Homophobia is still prevalent in the macho world of professional sport, and this is good to hear about.

[Beefster]

Sorry what's LGBT

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

[Hibrandenburg]

Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender.

[Smartie]

I didn't know you got gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender sheep for the Aberdeen fans to pump.

I guess that's the modern, liberal Scotland for you.

[The_Horde]

I thought the whole idea of being equal was to be just that, equal. So, in trying to obtain equality and be like everyone else, they want to segregate themselves into an LGBT club? Can we not all just be hibs fans?

Makes no sense to me. I personally couldn't care less who the person next to me fancies or how they dress. It's none of my business. If you support hibs you're good enough for me.

[CropleyWasGod]

Given that the current accepted term is LGBTI, were I an "I", I'd be screaming "discrimination" at this.......:cb

[Hibernia&Alba]

I thought the whole idea of being equal was to be just that, equal. So, in trying to obtain equality and be like everyone else, they want to segregate themselves into an LGBT club? Can we not all just be hibs fans?

Makes no sense to me.

I don't think it's about segregation but recognition/acceptance. I'm sure its members will still play a full role amongst the wider Aberdeen support, but now also have a group where they are certain to feel welcome. It will also help break down prejudicial barriers and literally give LGBT fans a voice.

[Ozyhibby]

Given that the current accepted term is LGBTI, were I an "I", I'd be screaming "discrimination" at this.......:cb

What's the 'I'? Maybe I am one?


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[CropleyWasGod]

What's the 'I'? Maybe I am one?


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Intersex.

(You hoped I would say "Infatuated by HSL", didn't you?)

[Ozyhibby]

I thought the whole idea of being equal was to be just that, equal. So, in trying to obtain equality and be like everyone else, they want to segregate themselves into an LGBT club? Can we not all just be hibs fans?

Makes no sense to me. I personally couldn't care less who the person next to me fancies or how they dress. It's none of my business. If you support hibs you're good enough for me.

We have a disabled Hibs supporters club. Should we get shot of that?


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[The_Horde]

I don't think it's about segregation but recognition/acceptance. I'm sure its members will still play a full role amongst the wider Aberdeen support, but now also have a group where they are certain to feel welcome. It will also help break down prejudicial barriers and literally give LGBT fans a voice.

Can't they just feel accepted in the other groups? I know of at least 2 hibs fans who are gay and are accepted as one of our own in supporters clubs.

[Ozyhibby]

Intersex.

(You hoped I would say "Infatuated by HSL", didn't you?)

Just googled it, I'm not one. Feel a bit left out. [emoji3]

Intersex was my best shot as well, I dress too scruffy for any of the other four to let me in.
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[Hibernia&Alba]

Can't they just feel accepted in the other groups? I know of at least 2 hibs fans who are gay and are accepted as one of our own in supporters clubs.

I can't claim to speak for them regarding why they have decided to set up the group. Perhaps some Aberdeen fans presently don't feel particularly welcome? I dunno, but my initial reaction is that such a group could play a positive role in what is still a homophobic culture in the game.

[liamh2202]

I thought the whole idea of being equal was to be just that, equal. So, in trying to obtain equality and be like everyone else, they want to segregate themselves into an LGBT club? Can we not all just be hibs fans?

Makes no sense to me. I personally couldn't care less who the person next to me fancies or how they dress. It's none of my business. If you support hibs you're good enough for me.

100%

[The_Horde]

We have a disabled Hibs supporters club. Should we get shot of that?


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Different situation IMO. Disabled supporters club is a great idea as they can arrange the things they need. Whether that be seating, entry systems to games or whatever.

[jacomo]

Given that the current accepted term is LGBTI, were I an "I", I'd be screaming "discrimination" at this.......:cb

And the trans community often feel resentment at being added onto LGB groups in this way.

A minefield, I tell you!

[CropleyWasGod]

Can't they just feel accepted in the other groups? I know of at least 2 hibs fans who are gay and are accepted as one of our own in supporters clubs.

"They" assumes that every gay person has the same experience.

For every gay man or woman that feels accepted in their environment, there are many more who don't. Clearly, the people who set up this club feel that there is a need..for whatever reason.... otherwise they wouldn't have bothered.

Unless one is, or has been, a member of a marginalised community, i don't think one can easily identify with the issues.

[The_Horde]

"They" assumes that every gay person has the same experience.

For every gay man or woman that feels accepted in their environment, there are many more who don't. Clearly, the people who set up this club feel that there is a need..for whatever reason.... otherwise they wouldn't have bothered.

Unless one is, or has been, a member of a marginalised community, i don't think one can easily identify with the issues.

Yes. They as in the LGBT supporters. See that, they're now in a group. So they become a they. Just as the disabled supporters club would be described as they. Just as the four in hand supporters club would be "They" if I was describing them.

[HiBremian]

I thought the whole idea of being equal was to be just that, equal. So, in trying to obtain equality and be like everyone else, they want to segregate themselves into an LGBT club? Can we not all just be hibs fans?

Makes no sense to me. I personally couldn't care less who the person next to me fancies or how they dress. It's none of my business. If you support hibs you're good enough for me.

Good on you, mate. But not everyone in the game is as enlightened, and one of the main jobs of such groups is to tackle homophobia in Scottish football generally. Obviously the sheep are preparing for the imminent arrival of the new club from Bigotbrox.

[Salt N Sauzee]

We have a disabled Hibs supporters club. Should we get shot of that?


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They are two completely different things. Bizarre shout :confused:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Who's going to be the first to say "it's political correctness gone mad"? :greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

I thought the whole idea of being equal was to be just that, equal. So, in trying to obtain equality and be like everyone else, they want to segregate themselves into an LGBT club? Can we not all just be hibs fans?

Makes no sense to me.

Yeh, that's kind of my take on it too. But its in the nature of folk, even if they are all of the same mind, to gather into sub groups within the larger body ... Hibs Polish fans are an example I suppose. I don't see any harm in it myself so long as it doesn't cause any division in the support, I cant see any reason why it would to be honest.

In fact ...... if a LGBT group or a group identifying itself as Hibs Polish fans attracts more support to the club from these communities more power to them.

For my part .... each to their own, in day to day life I couldn't give a rats ass how people choose to live theirs, what sexuality they are, what colour, what religion .... even less when I go to watch Hibs, we are all just Hibbies end of.

Apart from folk in HSL of course ...... splitters :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

Sorry what's LGBT

Like a BLT but with gherkins.

[Craig_HFC]

What's the 'I'? Maybe I am one?


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Indecisive.

[The_Horde]

Yeh, that's kind of my take on it too. But its in the nature of folk, even if they are all of the same mind, to gather into sub groups within the larger body ... Hibs Polish fans are an example I suppose. I don't see any harm in it myself so long as it doesn't cause any division in the support, I cant see any reason why it would to be honest.

In fact ...... if a LGBT group or a group identifying itself as Hibs Polish fans attracts more support to the club from these communities more power to them.

For my part .... each to their own, in day to day life I couldn't give a rats ass how people choose to live theirs, what sexuality they are, what colour, what religion .... even less when I go to watch Hibs, we are all just Hibbies end of.

Apart from folk in HSL of course ...... splitters :greengrin

You're probably right. And I won't stand in their way should hibs try it, I just think it's a bit far as most clubs' fans are generally accepting. I can only think of 2 in Scotland who wouldn't be.

[Lago]

Intersex.

(You hoped I would say "Infatuated by HSL", didn't you?)
Going to show my age here, what is intersex?

[CropleyWasGod]

You're probably right. And I won't stand in their way, I just think it's a bit far as most clubs' fans are accepting
I can only think of 2 in Scotland who wouldn't be.

I assume that you're talking about Rangers and.... Celtic? Hearts?.

How can you say that?

[CropleyWasGod]

Going to show my age here, what is intersex?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

[Pete]

Going to show my age here, what is intersex?

I Googled it and I still don't know.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Going to show my age here, what is intersex?

Hermaphrodite? :dunno:

[Lago]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Thanks for that, the stigmatising term is the one I knew. It was all much simpler in my youth.

[The_Horde]

I assume that you're talking about Rangers and.... Celtic? Hearts?.

How can you say that?

Its hard to trust 100,000+ bigots.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Going to show my age here, what is intersex?

"Having carnal relations with certain people from Milan"

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

I was right, though it seems the term hermaphrodite is considered offensive...........political correctness gone mad :greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

I was right, though it seems the term hermaphrodite is considered offensive...........political correctness gone mad :greengrin

Hermaphrodites can away & **** themselves :greengrin

[Lago]

"Having carnal relations with certain people from Milan"
Good one, took me a bit to work it out.:greengrin

[lucky]

If it makes them feel more accepted at football then it's a great idea. It will also give them a voice on issues that directly effect their community with regards to Aberdeen football club. Moves like this will hopefully help remove homophobic behaviour at football

[The_Horde]

If it makes them feel more accepted at football then it's a great idea. It will also give them a voice on issues that directly effect their community with regards to Aberdeen football club. Moves like this will hopefully help remove homophobic behaviour at football

Better watch. You can't say "them"

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hermaphrodites can away & **** themselves :greengrin

:hilarious

[CropleyWasGod]

Its hard to trust 100,000+ bigots.

You didn't actually say which teams.

Where's your evidence to suggest that the followers of one team would be more or less accepting of sexual minorities than others?

[Oscar T Grouch]

I am pretty sure I read somewhere around the turn of the millennium there was a Hibs gay supporters club being set up. This story came about because of Kenny Millar being a bit of a gay pin up at the time. I am sure it was in the daily record, but I maybe wrong. So looks like Hibs were first to this one too :wink:

Edit, found it, was first published in 2000

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/NICE+TACKLE+KENNY%3B+Top+striker+Miller+is+a+pin-up+for+gay+Hibs...-a060882373

[MyJo]

Like a BLT but with gherkins.

I laughed a bit louder than I care to admit to this :greengrin

[silverhibee]

You're probably right. And I won't stand in their way should hibs try it, I just think it's a bit far as most clubs' fans are generally accepting. I can only think of 2 in Scotland who wouldn't be.

http://www.yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk/news/article/players-to-wear-football-v-homophobia-shirts-this-weekend-2952476.aspx

[The_Horde]

You didn't actually say which teams.

Where's your evidence to suggest that the followers of one team would be more or less accepting of sexual minorities than others?

Wheres your evidence to suggest they wouldn't?

[jacomo]

Better watch. You can't say "them"

You really are on a hiding to nothing on this thread.

You don't see a need for this group. You've made your point. Let it go. Clearly, some Aberdeen fans did see a need to set up this group and, who knows, maybe some at Hibs will feel the same way.

[CropleyWasGod]

Wheres your evidence to suggest they wouldn't?

It was you who made the initial accusation, albeit you haven't been clear about the teams you mean, therefore it's for you to back that up.

I would say that there is no evidence to support or deny your position. Can you honestly say that St.Johnstone, for example, are more welcoming to gay men and women than Annan Athletic?

Are you talking about Rangers and Celtic? If you're simply saying that, because a large part of their support might be pseudo-religious bigots, they must be homophobes as well, that's quite a leap.

[TAHibby]

"I can't relate to those individuals but i don't see why it's needed"

[HappyHanlon]

2 teams eh....probably those pesky Highland clubs

[Pretty Boy]

I'd imagine that walking into a group of guys in what can still be a very macho environment and being openly gay could still be quite an intimidating experience. You only have to listen to some of the 'banter' thrown about before, during and after games (as well as away from football as well I hasten to add) to see why that may be the case.

If a supporters club in which the majority of members are gay helps generate additional support for the game in Scotland then it is to be welcomed imo.

[matty_f]

Going to show my age here, what is intersex?

I think it's when you like sex:

"Are you intersex?"
"Aye, it's barrie."

[CropleyWasGod]

"I can't relate to those individuals but i don't see why it's needed"
Is that from a song?

Either way, it is apposite in this case. So often the opinions of the marginalised get ignored because the majority think they know better .

Soapbox smiley.

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[stantonsboots]

I can't claim to speak for them regarding why they have decided to set up the group. Perhaps some Aberdeen fans presently don't feel particularly welcome? I dunno, but my initial reaction is that such a group could play a positive role in what is still a homophobic culture in the game.personally I think Edinburgh is ahead of the rest of Scotland regarding these issue's? we have had a large gay community for years now and in the most part nobody bats an eyelid?

[Tinribs]

Should we have a Cisgender club too?

[CropleyWasGod]

Should we have a Cisgender club too?
Most of our clubs are predominantly cisgender, I'd wager [emoji6]

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[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I am pretty sure I read somewhere around the turn of the millennium there was a Hibs gay supporters club being set up. This story came about because of Kenny Millar being a bit of a gay pin up at the time. I am sure it was in the daily record, but I maybe wrong. So looks like Hibs were first to this one too :wink:

Edit, found it, was first published in 2000

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/NICE+TACKLE+KENNY%3B+Top+striker+Miller+is+a+pin-up+for+gay+Hibs...-a060882373

I remember that article from the time, however forgot how abysmal it was. It was lame Hearts fans attempting 'banter' in the run up to the weekends derby, that was pretty much proven was it not?

Gay Hibs fan who would only go by the name of 'Liam' said "check out www.gayhibs.co.uk in a few weeks for your closet Hibees. Kenny Miller has the best legs".

Surprise surprise, that webpage never went live and the supporters group that had 'already been formed' never materialised. Says it all about the average yam that they think that it banter. Is that where the equally banterous 'All the Hibees are gay' song stems from? Fannies.

[Dashing Bob S]

"Having carnal relations with certain people from Milan"

Never go near them. I'm more AC/DC Milan.

[KWJ]

Watched a great documentary on American Samoa the other day, it's on netflix called Next Goal Wins.

They have a player that's transgender and she's well accepted in the team. Feisty tackler too!

[GreenLake]

Should include solosexual, metrosexual and asexual supporters.

[speedy_gonzales]

Should include solosexual, metrosexual and asexual supporters.
Solosexuals? Now there's a bunch of w**kers!

[Stokesy's on fire]

Andrew considine will be pleased!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

we have had a large gay community for years now and in the most part nobody bats an eyelid?

Is this a collection of large gay people or a large collection of gay people?

[Rasta_Hibs]

Will they sit in their own section of the ground and have rainbow seats?

[Keith_M]

As it's Aberdeen, shouldn't it be the LGBT-SS?

[Leith Green]

Dont quite get why sexual orientation should come into a football supporters club??

[Hibbyhaz]

Seems like it's adding more segregation :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

Seems like it's adding more segregation :confused:
How so?

There isn't a separate section in Pittodrie for LGBTs, if that's what you mean [emoji6]
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[marinello59]

Dont quite get why sexual orientation should come into a football supporters club??

Maybe having a visible section of the support identifying themselves will make other fans think twice about blasting out homophobic songs. Hopefully.

[CropleyWasGod]

Maybe having a visible section of the support identifying themselves will make other fans think twice about blasting out homophobic songs. Hopefully.
Indeed.

I didn't realise that one of the organisers is Scott Rennie, who has his own experiences of entrenched homophobia. As a gay man and a minister, he'll have his own ideas for building bridges.

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[Leith Green]

Maybe having a visible section of the support identifying themselves will make other fans think twice about blasting out homophobic songs. Hopefully.



Fair doos. The unfortunate thing is that the kind of people likely to cause offence to minority groups are probably too ignorant and intolerant to give a toss.