Dumbarton 3-2Hibs (Henderson)

[GlasgowHibee]

Falkirk more of a rival than the Rangers are now. Awful.

[adhibs]

losing there twice in a season is dreadfull. stubbs needs to get his act together, dropping oxley would be a start.

[dmc1875]

Need to buck up our ideas and fast starting Tuesday to secure second.

[QMU-1875]

Wow. That's Rangers won it then. Be lucky to finish second at this rate. Nothing quite like football to put you through the mill, especially when it's hibs. Looks like they let the love in from the press get to them big time. Thought this side was made of more than that, brutal.

[Onion]

Over 3-2

That's the league gone. Time for Stubbs to be the manager we all hope and think he is by regrouping the players and preparing them the next 2 cup games and securing 2nd place in the league.

[Thecat23]

Let the excuses commence ........


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Let the @rseholes rip into us.

For the record these results aren't acceptable but some posts go way over the top.

[wee Stevie]

Poor result needed the win.

[leggeto]

Unthinkable that Dumbarton have beat us twice this season. That is absolutely astonishing.

The only 2 wins they have this season,Bogey team

[blackpoolhibs]

It's not 'bottle crashing' or 'Hibsing' it every time we lose though. I even heard these phrases after we lost to Rangers at Ibrox FFS. Since when are we favourites when going there?


Dumbarton twice, Morton 0-3, Falkirk semi final there are plenty others we can all name and remember this team is playing 2nd tier football FFS. We've done fantastically well to reach a final, and we've beaten our local rivals too, but because of some terrible results we are going to have to do it the hard way again.

Who'd bet on us not bottling it when it really matters, as i said the only way to stop this is to actually stop failing in games like today and midweek.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Unthinkable that Dumbarton have beat us twice this season. That is absolutely astonishing.


progress can be tough at times..

[1875STEVE]

I Canny belive we have thown it away against Dumbarton, Livi and Morton in the last few weeks.

Gutted.

[hibby6270]

Unbelievable!!

4 points out of 12 in last 4 games.

Let's be honest. Hardly League winning form is it.

[andy1875]

The league was lost on Wednesday night.

Today has just officially confirmed it.

What a time of the season to hit a horrible bit of form. We can still do well in the cups but its all about the playoffs now.

[S4uzee]

1 point from Livingston Morton and Dumbarton is tragic

[SeanWilson]

Let the @rseholes rip into us.

For the record these results aren't acceptable but some posts go way over the top.

100% both results are not on, however we now know what we're playing for the rest of the season and time to focus on the task in hand. This team are more than capable of going up via play offs. Big week for Stubbs and his team and I have faith.

[Jim44]

That's the league gone. Time for Stubbs to be the manager we all hope and think he is by regrouping the players and preparing them the next 2 cup games and securing 2nd place in the league.

Stubbs thinks we are too far ahead of Falkirk. :rolleyes:

[Hibs90]

Falkirk two behind. You know whether this is going eh

[ALF TUPPER]

Painful Hibs. So so painful.

[chrisski33]

Pathetic! We celebrate beating hearts then bottle it against livi, morton and dumbarton. Id be seriously worried about falkirk.

[Edson Arantes]

Unbelievable!!

4 points out of 12 in last 4 games.

Let's be honest. Hardly League winning form is it.

No.

[skipster7]

Stubbs thinks we are too far ahead of Falkirk. :rolleyes:

Thats not what he said but crack on if it gives you jollies

[GlasgowHibee]

I wouldn't want to face Morton in the play offs either, they have our number as well.

Things aren't looking great, do we go for cup success or ditch the cups and focus on the playoffs?

[kevo1875]

Need to get back on track and finish second ...don't want an extra couple of games by finishing third as we have just seen what can happen when we have a lot of games in a short period...should never lose to Morton at home and Dumbarton regardless tho

[Captain Trips]

We are in playoffs you take those games and the cup final Stubbs is on verge of a great or a disaster.

[mutley]

We will now have to concentrate on the fact that we are in a play off spot, tough times ahead, I really can't comprehend another season in the championship


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[Thecat23]

Play offs it is. Seems we have burnt out at the wrong time and now only have the cups to worry about.

It's certainly far from finished and some seem to have it set that's a third year we will be down. I feel when it comes to it Hibs will win their play off games and as for the LC it will be tight but I also think we will win that.

[JJP]

Dumbarton twice, Morton 0-3, Falkirk semi final there are plenty others we can all name and remember this team is playing 2nd tier football FFS. We've done fantastically well to reach a final, and we've beaten our local rivals too, but because of some terrible results we are going to have to do it the hard way again.

Who'd bet on us not bottling it when it really matters, as i said the only way to stop this is to actually stop failing in games like today and midweek.

I think it's about time we as a support toughen up and stop throwing bad results from the past up every time we don't get the result we are looking for. Especially using phrases our rivals created to make fun of us, that is just weak as hell.

[chrisski33]

100% both results are not on, however we now now what we're playing for the rest of the season and time to focus on the task in hand. This team are more than capable of going up via play offs. Big week for Stubbs and his team and I have faith.

Really?? The players should know what we are playing for all season not wait til these shocking results. Beating hearts will be our highlight this season cant see us doing well in the playoffs if we make it.

[Keith_M]

Here's my prediction.

We're gonna win the Cup but spend another season in the championship.

Now I'm outa here....

[matty_f]

Woeful stuff. Hibs need to get their act together. Derby aside, recent results have been inexcusable.

I think we are a team that started to believe its own hype.

[emerald green]

League's gone

IMHO it was gone when Hibs drew 0-0 at Livingston. Since then, in the league, 0-3 vs Morton, and 3-2 vs Dumbarton.

One point out of a possible nine against teams of that standard, at the business end of the season, is terrible, and no team can win a title like that.

[QMU-1875]

Stubbs and the squad have let all the media attention get to there heads. Him coming out and saying he would wait and see in regard to the Celtic job, if we don't go up he will be lucky to still be here.

[MrSmith]

Loads of jumbos on this thread huh.

[hibby6270]

I wouldn't want to face Morton in the play offs either, they have our number as well.

Things aren't looking great, do we go for cup success or ditch the cups and focus on the playoffs?

Let's face it. Play offs is our only option now.

Cup games will take care of themselves. But focus on them instead of winning league games? We just can't do that. Should be winning as many games as we can. If we lose in the cups, that doesn't consign us to another year in this league. Losing stupid league games will.

[snooky]

Ref is shocking. Biased against us every decision.

This is inevitable. Are you really surprised?
All available resources in force to help servco.
We should still be able to beat the likes of Dunbarton and Morton even with the officials playing against us.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Yup although I understand where the guys are coming from that have been blessed in watching teams from other eras such as the Tornadoes.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Stubbs thinks we are too far ahead of Falkirk. :rolleyes:

Does he? I never heard him say that but I think I remember you reading someone's post the other night and taking that from it.

[coldingham hibs]

I can feel in my bones that there is disharmony in the dressing room since the arrival of Stokes & Thomson.

[kevo1875]

Thing is now we all know hibs are capable of promotion as this is a very good hibs team when we are at our best..but we also now know we are capable of blowing it if we are below par..I have faith these boys can win us a cup and promotion but please hibs no more slip ups

[hibby6270]

Here's my prediction.

We're gonna win the Cup but spend another season in the championship.

Now I'm outa here....

In a strange way that's no consolation is it? I'm just not sure.

[JimBHibees]

Woeful stuff. Hibs need to get their act together. Derby aside, recent results have been inexcusable.

I think we are a team that started to believe its own hype.

Exactly what it looks like. A real winning mentality team would have used that win to kick on and have a strong end to the season. Losing 6 goals to Morton and Dumbarton is unforgiveable. Jeff on SSN said Dumbarton had scored 2 goals in their last 7 games, says it all.

[Hibs90]

Loads of jumbos on this thread huh.

Yup, all the usual folk aswell. But let them enjoy it because they certainly haven't had any joy recently

[Green Fish]

A dip in form at the wrong time. Wheels have come off, it's up to the management team to put them back on and pronto. All we can do is be at ER in numbers and I get behind the team. This season can still be epic. GG

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[lucky]

I wouldn't want to face Morton in the play offs either, they have our number as well.

Things aren't looking great, do we go for cup success or ditch the cups and focus on the playoffs?

Based on us winning 3 games against them this season

[hibby6270]

I can feel in my bones that there is disharmony in the dressing room since the arrival of Stokes & Thomson.

It's no coincidence that the slide has started since then. Just saying like!!!

[coldingham hibs]

Does he? I never heard him say that but I think I remember you reading someone's post the other night and taking that from it.

Stubbs said that on Radio Scotland pre Morton game. I knew at the time it was a big mistake. Houston will be loving it.

[lucky]

Ross county lost 0-3 at home to United is there season finished too?

[emerald green]

I wouldn't want to face Morton in the play offs either, they have our number as well.

Things aren't looking great, do we go for cup success or ditch the cups and focus on the playoffs?

What on earth do you mean by "ditch the cups"? Do you mean just not try and get beat? What?

35,000 Hibs fans go through to Hampden for a cup final, but hey lets just ditch it. :confused:

[Beefster]

I can feel in my bones that there is disharmony in the dressing room since the arrival of Stokes & Thomson.

Here we go. Folk who claim to love the club making up utter pish or 'suggesting' reasons for poor results. It's like some Hibs fans can't help but go out of their way to sow discontent or try to sabotage the club.

I give it a couple of days before your made-up guff becomes hibs.net fact.

[Greenblood70]

Woeful stuff. Hibs need to get their act together. Derby aside, recent results have been inexcusable.

I think we are a team that started to believe its own hype.

Im not sure its believing our own hype (im hoping not) - we've just looked stale and tired in the league imo. I think the number of games played are beginning to catch up on McGinn and Cummings in particular who's form had dipped in the last couple of games.

Oxley, like it or not is a liability - however I dont think Stubbs would drop him at this stage of the season. I think the defence have covered a lot of his inadequacies this season.

Its the play offs now - its vital we finish above falkirk - Im also beginning to think psychologically we need to win the League Cup. I'd grudgingly sacrifice the ICT game tho.

[Hibs90]

It's no coincidence that the slide has started since then. Just saying like!!!

The slide that includes beating you lot in which Stokes and Thomson played in?

[Jim44]

I wouldn't want to face Morton in the play offs either, they have our number as well.

Things aren't looking great, do we go for cup success or ditch the cups and focus on the playoffs?

Frankly, I don't think we've got enough control over our game to make that sort of priority. In all honesty, I am more indifferent to cup success while we are doing our best to make a mess of our league performances.

[Beefster]

It's no coincidence that the slide has started since then. Just saying like!!!

The 'slide' started on Wednesday, well after Stokes and Thomson joined. Just saying like!!!!!!!!!

[Col2]

In a way smiled when I heard on radio Jumbo clown Scott Wilson and Alan Preston (who?) celebrating Hibs being 3-0 down even though it had nothing to do with the Hearts Killie game. I smiled because it showed how totally bitter they both are that we dumped them out the cup, again. They had clearly been waiting for the moment for some kind of revenge. Tough luck losers as wouldn't have swapped it in a million years.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Here's my prediction.

We're gonna win the Cup but spend another season in the championship.

Now I'm outa here....

You think we can beat a Premier League team in this form?

[hhibs]

Unbelievable!!

4 points out of 12 in last 4 games.

Let's be honest. Hardly League winning form is it.



Just a bit late this year,same old Hibs.Oh to be wrong, but let's face it how many times have we been here before,:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall

[stoneyburn hibs]

Here we go. Folk who claim to love the club making up utter pish or 'suggesting' reasons for poor results. It's like some Hibs fans can't help but go out of their way to sow discontent or try to sabotage the club.

I give it a couple of days before your made-up guff becomes hibs.net fact.

You could be wrong in saying "Hibs fans"

[GreenLake]

The treble is off but 2 cups and promotion through the playoffs is still quite a good end to the season.

[dp00]

I can feel in my bones that there is disharmony in the dressing room since the arrival of Stokes & Thomson.

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[coldingham hibs]

Here we go. Folk who claim to love the club making up utter pish or 'suggesting' reasons for poor results. It's like some Hibs fans can't help but go out of their way to sow discontent or try to sabotage the club.

I give it a couple of days before your made-up guff becomes hibs.net fact.

I haven't made anything up, it's the impression I get. We don't look the same team since their arrival.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Stubbs said that on Radio Scotland pre Morton game. I knew at the time it was a big mistake. Houston will be loving it.

Nah he never said that. He said Falkirk wouldn't/couldn't catch Rangers.

[Col2]

The treble is off but 2 cups and promotion through the playoffs is still quite a good end to the season.

If we go up and win both cups it will go down as out greatest moment, so yes I agree, just a tad!!!

[coldingham hibs]

Nah he never said that. He said Falkirk wouldn't/couldn't catch Rangers.

No he didn't he said they wouldn't catch us, he assumed we were going to be 8 points clear.

[Borderhibbie76]

Stubbs thinks we are too far ahead of Falkirk. :rolleyes:
Yet another hibs.net myth which has grown arms and legs on here...what stubbs actually said was Falkirk were too far behind to win league and catch derby hun..not us!!

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[Fife-Hibee]

We seem to be conceding so many goals from such few shots on target. The defence need to sort themselves out and sort themselves out right now. With cup games coming up and Falkirk on our heels, nows not the time to wobble.

Pull the fingers out.

[Alfred E Newman]

A dip in form at the wrong time. Wheels have come off, it's up to the management team to put them back on and pronto. All we can do is be at ER in numbers and I get behind the team. This season can still be epic. GG

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With the money that has been spent and the players at our disposal , the wheels shouldn't be coming off in this crap league and certainly not at places like Dumbarton.

[Pretty Boy]

Pish.

No excuses. To lose 2 games in a row to Morton and Dumbarton is inexcusable. Utter pish.

[JJP]

Going to leave this thread to all the 'undercover' Jambos now.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I wouldn't want to face Morton in the play offs either, they have our number as well.

Things aren't looking great, do we go for cup success or ditch the cups and focus on the playoffs?



Leeann has already fired off an e-mail to the league telling them we refuse to participate in this seasons final, will be a notice on official site tonight offering refunds for all tickets purchased





:)

[portyhibernian]

We need to win our next game and avoid these last two results turning into three then four in a row. Promotion needs to happen. Anything else is a failure. If we win a cup great but I'll sacrifice them both to go up.

[Beefster]

I haven't made anything up, it's the impression I get. We don't look the same team since their arrival.

Except when coming back from 2-0 down and then beating Hearts obviously. Oh, and when Stokes scored the only goal of the game to beat Morton away. Or when Stokes scored against St Mirren.

Away and talk *****.

[Ronniekirk]

Exactly what it looks like. A real winning mentality team would have used that win to kick on and have a strong end to the season. Losing 6 goals to Morton and Dumbarton is unforgiveable. Jeff on SSN said Dumbarton had scored 2 goals in their last 7 games, says it all.

If Jeff is right its a bit of a sore one for us after midweek Something has gone wrong to account for this mini slump but n point speculating Stubbs must have an idea and its up to him and backroom staff to sort it out



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[crash]

I think it's about time we as a support toughen up and stop throwing bad results from the past up every time we don't get the result we are looking for. Especially using phrases our rivals created to make fun of us, that is just weak as hell.
Thats right,have a go at the fans.Our fans have shown great resilience considering the disapointments over the years. Its not the support that needs to toughen up.

[Beefster]

No he didn't he said they wouldn't catch us, he assumed we were going to be 8 points clear.

You're on fire.

[portyhibernian]

Pish.

No excuses. To lose 2 games in a row to Morton and Dumbarton is inexcusable. Utter pish.

Agreed

[blackpoolhibs]

Pish.

No excuses. To lose 2 games in a row to Morton and Dumbarton is inexcusable. Utter pish.

With opinions like that, you will soon be getting a special thread all for yourself. :agree:

[hibby6270]

The slide that includes beating you lot in which Stokes and Thomson played in?

Listen up mate. Despite what you think my allegiances are, you're way off the mark.

I've watched Hibs gloriously underachieve for 53 years now. I can assure you it doesn't make it any easier when it happens - again. I've probably just had a wee bit longer than you to get used to it and that is something that hurts to say.

Will you be there next week to cheer them into the next round of the cup? I for definite will be.

[Smartie]

Stubbs and the squad have let all the media attention get to there heads. Him coming out and saying he would wait and see in regard to the Celtic job, if we don't go up he will be lucky to still be here.

If Stubbs goes about his business quietly and gets results for Hibs then he stands a chance of getting the Celtic job. They won't exactly be impressed with what they see right now. They're not stupid - you don't get that job whoring yourself in the media, you get it by doing the business at the football club you're at.

Since the Rangers game at Christmas I think he's fallen well short of what is required as a manager. His "free shot" comments then inept performance at Ibrox when we were in reasonable form showed a crass lack of judgment. At the moment it looks like our transfer business in January has been disastrous, both arrivals and departures.

He's casual, complacent and totally lackadaisical at times.

There can be no doubt he's improved us but he's been backed better (relative to expectations/ the league we're in) better than any manager since McLeish.

I suspect we'll win the League Cup - our fancy dans will feel up for a cup final and will do enough to beat Ross County.

We'll fall short in the Scottish Cup.

I'm 50/50 as to whether or not we'll win in the play-offs - it is a lottery. But going into the end of the season with a goalkeeper chucking goals in, a shaky defence, a midfield that isn't doing enough and 4 strikers out of form doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'm not suggesting he be sacked - that would be madness at this stage in the season, we're best to see his plan out but at the moment we're falling well short of expectations and serious questions must be asked.

He needs to raise his game as well as all of the players.

I'm seriously unimpressed right now.

Butcher gets (rightly) lambasted for inheriting a shambles, not getting backed then getting us relegated. Stubbs has been backed to the hilt but loses twice in a season at part-time Dumbarton? Totally unacceptable.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Going to leave this thread to all the 'undercover' Jambos now.


can you name any of them ? sure are some great detectives on here :)

[Green Fish]

With the money that has been spent and the players at our disposal , the wheels shouldn't be coming off in this crap league and certainly not at places like Dumbarton.
Totally agree but we have to keep faith and give full support. I'm sure we can turn this around.

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[JimBHibees]

Pish.

No excuses. To lose 2 games in a row to Morton and Dumbarton is inexcusable. Utter pish.

Absolutely spot on. Get it sorted.

[Golden Bear]

I can feel in my bones that there is disharmony in the dressing room since the arrival of Stokes & Thomson.

No one was thinking that about 10 days ago.

[hibby6270]

The 'slide' started on Wednesday, well after Stokes and Thomson joined. Just saying like!!!!!!!!!

I was referring to the comment about possible unrest in dressing room since they came in.

You can't ignore the coincidence, is the point I'm trying to make.

[Danderhall Hibs]

No he didn't he said they wouldn't catch us, he assumed we were going to be 8 points clear.

:Arms and legs smiley:

[BSEJVT]

The loss of such a lot of goals in such a short time has come as a big surprise to me, the loss of points far less so.

The simple truth is we don't score enough goals and that will always leave us vulnerable.

Cummings and Keatings going off the boil, the loss of Malonga and the ineffectiveness of Stokes have all exacerbated that situation and our chickens have unfortunately come home to roost.

It's also worth saying that an awful lot of this squad have played very little football over their careers and that tiredness is now showing.

[Pretty Boy]

With opinions like that, you will soon be getting a special thread all for yourself. :agree:

If anyone thinks that opinion is worth a special thread they are deluded.

There has, quite rightly, been plenty praise for Hibs lately but the 3 league results against Livi, Morton and Dumbarton are worth every bit of criticism that comes with them. Teams that win leagues don't accept that kind of form and neither should we. It's shocking.

[coldingham hibs]

If Stubbs goes about his business quietly and gets results for Hibs then he stands a chance of getting the Celtic job. They won't exactly be impressed with what they see right now. They're not stupid - you don't get that job whoring yourself in the media, you get it by doing the business at the football club you're at.

Since the Rangers game at Christmas I think he's fallen well short of what is required as a manager. His "free shot" comments then inept performance at Ibrox when we were in reasonable form showed a crass lack of judgment. At the moment it looks like our transfer business in January has been disastrous, both arrivals and departures.

He's casual, complacent and totally lackadaisical at times.

There can be no doubt he's improved us but he's been backed better (relative to expectations/ the league we're in) better than any manager since McLeish.

I suspect we'll win the League Cup - our fancy dans will feel up for a cup final and will do enough to beat Ross County.

We'll fall short in the Scottish Cup.

I'm 50/50 as to whether or not we'll win in the play-offs - it is a lottery. But going into the end of the season with a goalkeeper chucking goals in, a shaky defence, a midfield that isn't doing enough and 4 strikers out of form doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'm not suggesting he be sacked - that would be madness at this stage in the season, we're best to see his plan out but at the moment we're falling well short of expectations and serious questions must be asked.

He needs to raise his game as well as all of the players.

I'm seriously unimpressed right now.

Butcher gets (rightly) lambasted for inheriting a shambles, not getting backed then getting us relegated. Stubbs has been backed to the hilt but loses twice in a season at part-time Dumbarton? Totally unacceptable.

I agree with most of what you say. Any team of our size & stature should be thumping teams like Morton & Dumbarton not getting thumped. Stubbs said the team were not training much due to the number of fixtures, evidence is showing that he may have made a mistake there.

[Thecat23]

Stubbs loves Hibs that much that he seen he was getting to much attention and thought Celtic will come in for him if he keeps doing well so he's chucked a few results to stay another season... What a guy 😎👏🏼👏🏼

[Fife-Hibee]

The loss of such a lot of goals in such a short time has come as a big surprise to me, the loss of points far less so.

The simple truth is we don't score enough goals and that will also leave us vulnerable.

Cummings and Keatings going off the boil, the loss of Malonga and the ineffectiveness of Stokes have all exacerbated that situation and our chickens have unfortunately come home to roost.

It's also worth saying that an awful lot of this squad have played very little football over their careers and that tiredness is now showing.

It's not just in attack though. We look like conceding a goal whenever the opposition get near our box. I'd be far more concerned about our recent defence record than our attack.

[Smartie]

The loss of such a lot of goals in such a short time has come as a big surprise to me, the loss of points far less so.

The simple truth is we don't score enough goals and that will also leave us vulnerable.

Cummings and Keatings going off the boil, the loss of Malonga and the ineffectiveness of Stokes have all exacerbated that situation and our chickens have unfortunately come home to roost.

It's also worth saying that an awful lot of this squad have played very little football over their careers and that tiredness is now showing.

I think our back line has been mucked about with far too much.

Professional players should be able to play twice a week, their training can be tailored accordingly.

You can rotate forward and midfield players but you choose your best defence, get them playing regularly and developing an understanding and play them every week.

Getting that consistency gets the best out of players.

I'm not surprised we've lost as many goals.

The defence has been reasonably solid for the first half of the season, so much so that it has largely hidden Oxley's frailties.

It's only gone to pieces fairly recently.

[JJP]

Thats right,have a go at the fans.Our fans have shown great resilience considering the disapointments over the years. Its not the support that needs to toughen up.

I agree. The majority of fans have shown resilience. The ones I have a problem with are the soft ones who use phrases like 'Hibsed it'. Don't see what that achieves.

[Thecat23]

If Stubbs goes about his business quietly and gets results for Hibs then he stands a chance of getting the Celtic job. They won't exactly be impressed with what they see right now. They're not stupid - you don't get that job whoring yourself in the media, you get it by doing the business at the football club you're at.

Since the Rangers game at Christmas I think he's fallen well short of what is required as a manager. His "free shot" comments then inept performance at Ibrox when we were in reasonable form showed a crass lack of judgment. At the moment it looks like our transfer business in January has been disastrous, both arrivals and departures.

He's casual, complacent and totally lackadaisical at times.

There can be no doubt he's improved us but he's been backed better (relative to expectations/ the league we're in) better than any manager since McLeish.

I suspect we'll win the League Cup - our fancy dans will feel up for a cup final and will do enough to beat Ross County.

We'll fall short in the Scottish Cup.

I'm 50/50 as to whether or not we'll win in the play-offs - it is a lottery. But going into the end of the season with a goalkeeper chucking goals in, a shaky defence, a midfield that isn't doing enough and 4 strikers out of form doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'm not suggesting he be sacked - that would be madness at this stage in the season, we're best to see his plan out but at the moment we're falling well short of expectations and serious questions must be asked.

He needs to raise his game as well as all of the players.

I'm seriously unimpressed right now.

Butcher gets (rightly) lambasted for inheriting a shambles, not getting backed then getting us relegated. Stubbs has been backed to the hilt but loses twice in a season at part-time Dumbarton? Totally unacceptable.

Butcher was backed though! He was a ****ing disgrace to the club and the players and has been everywhere else since. To put both in the same sentence is madness.

The season is far from over, gutted not to be going up by promotion but we certainly have so much to play for. I trust Stubbs to do the job.

[Gerard]

This is the time when the fans become the 12th man and help our team win silverware and promotion:wink:

[hibby6270]

Going to leave this thread to all the 'undercover' Jambos now.

You're talking pish.

I for one am just upset that results have gone so badly wrong in the league in the past 2 weeks.

It shows signs that somethings going wrong or is not quite as it was a couple of months ago.

Who's going to sort it out? We certainly can't. But all fans / supporters have the right to show displeasure at their team at a time like this, just as much as we celebrate and give praise when results are in our favour.

[SeanWilson]

Really?? The players should know what we are playing for all season not wait til these shocking results. Beating hearts will be our highlight this season cant see us doing well in the playoffs if we make it.

Yes, really. Take your head back to last weekend. The melodramatics on this forum are bananas sometimes.

[Libby Hibby]

The decline started the day Fyvie got injured, like it or not

[Smartie]

I agree with most of what you say. Any team of our size & stature should be thumping teams like Morton & Dumbarton not getting thumped. Stubbs said the team were not training much due to the number of fixtures, evidence is showing that he may have made a mistake there.

I don't think we should be thumping anyone tbh, we have no divine right to expect that.

We should be winning games though. Keeping it tight and nicking goals at the very least.

The Rangers aren't thumping anyone but they're grinding out wins - that's all that matters.

Scabby one-nil wins against Livi, Morton and Dumbarton and we're what, eight points better off?

I think Stubbs and the players are expecting to thump teams and are falling miles short of what is expected.

Poor stuff.

[Smartie]

The decline started the day Fyvie got injured, like it or not

A very fair point.

[Thecat23]

The decline started the day Fyvie got injured, like it or not

Bartley has been superb since he came in. I don't think it's anything to do with Fyvie myself after beating St. Johnstone and then Hearts.

We just seem to have stuttered big time.

[blackpoolhibs]

I agree. The majority of fans have shown resilience. The ones I have a problem with are the soft ones who use phrases like 'Hibsed it'. Don't see what that achieves.


Its not really Hibs fans who use it?

[mutley]

The defeats I could cope with if it was a lucky 1-0, but we have now leaked 6 goals in 2 games to what should have been very weak opposition. I was not happy after the Livingston game, but I told myself I was maybe harsh as the conditions wee appalling that night. Cue a 3-0 win against Alloa by a team that seemed to stroll it- I would have thought Morton and Dumbarton would have been similar. Oh how wrong I was


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[Ozyhibby]

If Stubbs goes about his business quietly and gets results for Hibs then he stands a chance of getting the Celtic job. They won't exactly be impressed with what they see right now. They're not stupid - you don't get that job whoring yourself in the media, you get it by doing the business at the football club you're at.

Since the Rangers game at Christmas I think he's fallen well short of what is required as a manager. His "free shot" comments then inept performance at Ibrox when we were in reasonable form showed a crass lack of judgment. At the moment it looks like our transfer business in January has been disastrous, both arrivals and departures.

He's casual, complacent and totally lackadaisical at times.

There can be no doubt he's improved us but he's been backed better (relative to expectations/ the league we're in) better than any manager since McLeish.

I suspect we'll win the League Cup - our fancy dans will feel up for a cup final and will do enough to beat Ross County.

We'll fall short in the Scottish Cup.

I'm 50/50 as to whether or not we'll win in the play-offs - it is a lottery. But going into the end of the season with a goalkeeper chucking goals in, a shaky defence, a midfield that isn't doing enough and 4 strikers out of form doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'm not suggesting he be sacked - that would be madness at this stage in the season, we're best to see his plan out but at the moment we're falling well short of expectations and serious questions must be asked.

He needs to raise his game as well as all of the players.

I'm seriously unimpressed right now.

Butcher gets (rightly) lambasted for inheriting a shambles, not getting backed then getting us relegated. Stubbs has been backed to the hilt but loses twice in a season at part-time Dumbarton? Totally unacceptable.

10/10
Right now, Stubbs is failing in his job. We won't know now until the last game of the season whether he will succeed. If we don't go up then we need to look elsewhere.


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[Jim44]

Yet another hibs.net myth which has grown arms and legs on here...what stubbs actually said was Falkirk were too far behind to win league and catch derby hun..not us!!

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Well I'm glad to hear that now, although I can't remember anyone correcting the person quoting Stubbs before the Morton game. I said he was stupid if he said that at the time but I'm happy to be put right.

[blackpoolhibs]

We are in a mini crisis, losing games, looking over our shoulders and picking up injuries right left and centre.

Time for Stubbs to show us what he's made of now.

[Thecat23]

10/10
Right now, Stubbs is failing in his job. We won't know now until the last game of the season whether he will succeed. If we don't go up then we need to look elsewhere.


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Not going up would be a disaster, sacking Stubbs would be just as bad imo. I may be in the minority but think we have a fantastic coach. The players must take a lot of the blame here as well.

[ehf]

If Stubbs goes about his business quietly and gets results for Hibs then he stands a chance of getting the Celtic job. They won't exactly be impressed with what they see right now. They're not stupid - you don't get that job whoring yourself in the media, you get it by doing the business at the football club you're at.

Since the Rangers game at Christmas I think he's fallen well short of what is required as a manager. His "free shot" comments then inept performance at Ibrox when we were in reasonable form showed a crass lack of judgment. At the moment it looks like our transfer business in January has been disastrous, both arrivals and departures.

He's casual, complacent and totally lackadaisical at times.

There can be no doubt he's improved us but he's been backed better (relative to expectations/ the league we're in) better than any manager since McLeish.

I suspect we'll win the League Cup - our fancy dans will feel up for a cup final and will do enough to beat Ross County.

We'll fall short in the Scottish Cup.

I'm 50/50 as to whether or not we'll win in the play-offs - it is a lottery. But going into the end of the season with a goalkeeper chucking goals in, a shaky defence, a midfield that isn't doing enough and 4 strikers out of form doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'm not suggesting he be sacked - that would be madness at this stage in the season, we're best to see his plan out but at the moment we're falling well short of expectations and serious questions must be asked.

He needs to raise his game as well as all of the players.

I'm seriously unimpressed right now.

Butcher gets (rightly) lambasted for inheriting a shambles, not getting backed then getting us relegated. Stubbs has been backed to the hilt but loses twice in a season at part-time Dumbarton? Totally unacceptable.

Get Malpas in.

[Golden Bear]

Can someone who was actually at the game today post a wee report so we can be better informed and maybe less prone to making ridiculous comments?

[Libby Hibby]

Bartley has been superb since he came in. I don't think it's anything to do with Fyvie myself after beating St. Johnstone and then Hearts.

We just seem to have stuttered big time.

Fyvie played v St Johnstone...Bartley has been excellent since he's came in but perhaps just not having Fyvie has disrupted the flow and the mix of the side more than we know

[hibby6270]

Here we go. Folk who claim to love the club making up utter pish or 'suggesting' reasons for poor results. It's like some Hibs fans can't help but go out of their way to sow discontent or try to sabotage the club.

I give it a couple of days before your made-up guff becomes hibs.net fact.

You can't say it's utter pish.

Something has happened and certainly not the fans who, as you put it, have sabotaged the club. Recent results entitle any fan to show a bit of discontent. It won't stop the core 7500 or so turning up each week at ER because we are fans of the club. The players are the current crop trying to bring us success and make us all feel good. If they don't do it on the pitch, we're allowed to have a moan.

Fault lies with the players, the management, the coaching staff but definitely not us.

[dmc1875]

It's a shocking couple of results and no one thing is to blame but a number of things.

We thought it was Hanlon we missed on Wednesday, but he was playing today.

We we thought it was Bartley, he was playing today.

People say its because Fyvie is out, yet we beat Hearts without him.

We don't score enough goals, if the defence doesn't do its job and shots come in at Oxley he is not very good and doesn't save much, he's thrown a couple in.

I don't want to criticise Cummings because what's happened to his support? Keatings, Dagnall, Stokes, need to get involved and amongst the goals.

I would have Farid starting Tuesday without a shadow of a doubt.

[bigwheel]

I can feel in my bones that there is disharmony in the dressing room since the arrival of Stokes & Thomson.


aye...did you feel that when we were having good results with them too? What a load of garbage....

Let's just make stuff up because we feel it in our "bones"....jeezo.....

[Thecat23]

Fyvie played v St Johnstone...Bartley has been excellent since he's came in but perhaps just not having Fyvie has disrupted the flow and the mix of the side more than we know

Did he? I'm 37 and losing it already 😩🔫

Could do with him defo but I think it's a burn out effecting the team just now along with some shocking defending and goalkeeping. Add the strikers having a mare too it's just collapsing regarding the league.

[rotherhamrob]

Fyvie played v St Johnstone...Bartley has been excellent since he's came in but perhaps just not having Fyvie has disrupted the flow and the mix of the side more than we know

I totally agree,a fit mgeough and fyvie make a huge difference to us as we seem to create more with them in the team.

[Thecat23]

I totally agree,a fit mgeough and fyvie make a huge difference to us as we seem to create more with them in the team.

A fit McGeough is as rare as a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

[hibby6270]

If anyone thinks that opinion is worth a special thread they are deluded.

There has, quite rightly, been plenty praise for Hibs lately but the 3 league results against Livi, Morton and Dumbarton are worth every bit of criticism that comes with them. Teams that win leagues don't accept that kind of form and neither should we. It's shocking.

Agreed!!

[BSEJVT]

The loss of such a lot of goals in such a short time has come as a big surprise to me, the loss of points far less so.

The simple truth is we don't score enough goals and that will also leave us vulnerable.

Cummings and Keatings going off the boil, the loss of Malonga and the ineffectiveness of Stokes have all exacerbated that situation and our chickens have unfortunately come home to roost.

It's also worth saying that an awful lot of this squad have played very little football over their careers and that tiredness is now showing.

[emerald green]

With opinions like that, you will soon be getting a special thread all for yourself. :agree:

Pretty Boy will be getting accused of being an "under cover Jambo" next. :greengrin

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

The worst thing about this is the fact Rangers are absolutely pish yet we've just given them the title. They have been rotten for weeks, haven't beaten anybody by more than a single goal, have required late goals in almost every victory and recently drew with an abysmal Alloa side. Their star striker is also now out which means they will continue to struggle to score. We should have been piling the pressure on them big time.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Thought the league was all but gone after Tuesday, it has now that's for sure.

We have to accept that Falkirk are a real threat and that 2nd place is in danger if we don't turn this sudden slump around .... I'm not a football manager and that's why I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what's gone wrong in the last 2 games, or more to the point why its gone wrong.

Alan Stubbs is one however, and this is his first really big test ...... Failure in one off games like last years SC semi or even the play off semi cant be used to measure his ability after one season. How he handles situations like this one is the real test, I like Stubbs a lot, I like his football philosophy and I like the way he comes across in the media.

But now our whole season hangs in the balance:

In theory we are on the cusp of something really special ... to win the LC, make the SC semi finals and be promoted at the same time would be a remarkable achievement on a par with anything the club has done since the 50s. But if this turns into anything more than a 2 game slump we could be heading for disaster ..... If he cant figure out A) ... why we have gone from gods to gimps in the space of 10 days .... and B) ... how to fix it, we could fail on all fronts.

What he does have on his side is the fact that the same group of players who have slumped so dramatically in the last two games is the same group of players who have got us to where we are now ... 2nd in the league, in the League Cup final and a shot at the Scottish Cup semi finals ..... they have done that by beating 3 top 6 premiership teams and wiping the floor with a Utd team who hadn't reached meltdown at that stage.

The next few days should be interesting ..... good luck Stubbsy.

[bigwheel]

The worst thing about this is the fact Rangers are absolutely pish yet we've just given them the title. They have been rotten for weeks, haven't beaten anybody by more than a single goal, have required late goals in almost every victory and recently drew with an abysmal Alloa side. Their star striker is also now out which means they will continue to struggle to score. We should have been piling the pressure on them big time.


i think that is very true...they are a very average team - they have had the resilience to see through and get results though - our team haven't..

[WoreTheGreen]

To be honest i like Stubbs but the jury is out on him being a great coach/manager. We have never really blown teams away .We dont score enough goals and look like conceding on every set piece/counter attack keeper not good enough. His signings are all injury/previous prone . We as a club should not be losing to part time teams twice in one season

[Pretty Boy]

Pretty Boy will be getting accused of being an "under cover Jambo" next. :greengrin

Damn I've been rumbled.

[Captain Trips]

Hibs now have a Cup Final and possibly 5 playoff matches in worst case scenario. Stubbs and the players better get in there and have a look at things 2 weeks ago I thought we were on the verge of really doing things in a short space of time we are in danger of cocking the whole thing up, its all about results.

[CMac1988]

If Stubbs goes about his business quietly and gets results for Hibs then he stands a chance of getting the Celtic job. They won't exactly be impressed with what they see right now. They're not stupid - you don't get that job whoring yourself in the media, you get it by doing the business at the football club you're at.

Since the Rangers game at Christmas I think he's fallen well short of what is required as a manager. His "free shot" comments then inept performance at Ibrox when we were in reasonable form showed a crass lack of judgment. At the moment it looks like our transfer business in January has been disastrous, both arrivals and departures.

He's casual, complacent and totally lackadaisical at times.

There can be no doubt he's improved us but he's been backed better (relative to expectations/ the league we're in) better than any manager since McLeish.

I suspect we'll win the League Cup - our fancy dans will feel up for a cup final and will do enough to beat Ross County.

We'll fall short in the Scottish Cup.

I'm 50/50 as to whether or not we'll win in the play-offs - it is a lottery. But going into the end of the season with a goalkeeper chucking goals in, a shaky defence, a midfield that isn't doing enough and 4 strikers out of form doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'm not suggesting he be sacked - that would be madness at this stage in the season, we're best to see his plan out but at the moment we're falling well short of expectations and serious questions must be asked.

He needs to raise his game as well as all of the players.

I'm seriously unimpressed right now.

Butcher gets (rightly) lambasted for inheriting a shambles, not getting backed then getting us relegated. Stubbs has been backed to the hilt but loses twice in a season at part-time Dumbarton? Totally unacceptable.

Can't disagree much with any of this. Should've squashed the Celtic murmurs right away.

Can I ask why it is when we have players doing well and a manager that's doing well along with his coaching staff (albeit they've won heehaw), they all get touted for moves elsewhere?

The club on the other side of town have done well these last couple of seasons yet no one is looking at their manager or coaching staff?

Stubbs and the players would do best to stay out if the media outside our own clubs and shut up and get on with it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hibs now have a Cup Final and possibly 5 playoff matches in worst case scenario. Stubbs and the players better get in there and have a look at things 2 weeks ago I thought we were on the verge of really doing things in a short space of time we are in danger of cocking the whole thing up, its all about results.


surely it's either 4 or 6 ?

[Yorkshire HFC]

It looks to me like the players heads are at Hampden already - it's the managers job to make sure that they aren't, and he hasn't been very good at doing this.

[AlbertK86]

No he didn't he said they wouldn't catch us, he assumed we were going to be 8 points clear.

He actually said it was between us and Rangers for the league and reckoned if we went 8 clear they wouldn't catch us

I did say to my laddie at the time that he was tempting fate.

However I'm confident we will regroup and get on another wee run

Positive is Farid back and scored

Fyvie is edging closer to fitness

If we can get a fully fit squad for the run in I think we can get up through the play offs

We have done well and were more than likely going to have a dip at some point.

Let's keep behind the team and roar them to at least promotion through the play offs.

Cup win(s) would be a welcome bonus

GGTTH

[Captain Trips]

Thought the league was all but gone after Tuesday, it has now that's for sure.

We have to accept that Falkirk are a real threat and that 2nd place is in danger if we don't turn this sudden slump around .... I'm not a football manager and that's why I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what's gone wrong in the last 2 games, or more to the point why its gone wrong.

Alan Stubbs is one however, and this is his first really big test ...... Failure in one off games like last years SC semi or even the play off semi cant be used to measure his ability after one season. How he handles situations like this one is the real test, I like Stubbs a lot, I like his football philosophy and I like the way he comes across in the media.

But now our whole season hangs in the balance:

In theory we are on the cusp of something really special ... to win the LC, make the SC semi finals and be promoted at the same time would be a remarkable achievement on a par with anything the club has done since the 50s. But if this turns into anything more than a 2 game slump we could be heading for disaster ..... If he cant figure out A) ... why we have gone from gods to gimps in the space of 10 days .... and B) ... how to fix it, we could fail on all fronts.

What he does have on his side is the fact that the same group of players who have slumped so dramatically in the last two games is the same group of players who have got us to where we are now ... 2nd in the league, in the League Cup final and a shot at the Scottish Cup semi finals ..... they have done that by beating 3 top 6 premiership teams and wiping the floor with a Utd team who hadn't reached meltdown at that stage.

The next few days should be interesting ..... good luck Stubbsy.

Exactly right

Serious cracked needed fixed from a Manger who can possibly be down as an all time great or as easily another statistic

[Captain Trips]

surely it's either 4 or 6 ?

Aye yer right

[GlasgowHibee]

What did Stubbs say after the match?

[Captain Trips]

What did Stubbs say after the match?

"Awww @@@@"

[Smartie]

The worst thing about this is the fact Rangers are absolutely pish yet we've just given them the title. They have been rotten for weeks, haven't beaten anybody by more than a single goal, have required late goals in almost every victory and recently drew with an abysmal Alloa side. Their star striker is also now out which means they will continue to struggle to score. We should have been piling the pressure on them big time.

I think that's why I'm so pissed off.

Whilst they're not great they're doing the bare minimum - grinding out results.

If we were on their coat-tails I fancy that they would bottle it.

We're not even grinding out results and have handed the title to them on a plate.

They're not even really having to work for it.

[emerald green]

Ross county lost 0-3 at home to United is there season finished too?

No, their season is not finished, but they are not facing the prospect, a very real one IMHO, of a third season in the Championship.

That's the reality and difference. DU are not as bad as some are making out and are maybe starting to get their act together under Mixu.

[Onion]

Can't disagree much with any of this. Should've squashed the Celtic murmurs right away.

Can I ask why it is when we have players doing well and a manager that's doing well along with his coaching staff (albeit they've won heehaw), they all get touted for moves elsewhere?

The club on the other side of town have done well these last couple of seasons yet no one is looking at their manager or coaching staff?

Stubbs and the players would do best to stay out if the media outside our own clubs and shut up and get on with it.

Agreed. Stubbs failing to distance himself from the Celtic job might have put doubt in players minds about his commitment to Hibs and to them. Who knows.

[liamh2202]

Can someone who was actually at the game today post a wee report so we can be better informed and maybe less prone to making ridiculous comments?

We were really poor the first half... Slow and predictable. Lost poor goals . nade caused us problems ( i would have preferred mcgregor to mark and hanlon to cover rather than vice versa) jason i felt was really poor and is just not geting himself in positions just now. We looked much better when farid and boyle came on and i feel playing boyle and Carmichael wide is the way to go.

[Smartie]

Not going up would be a disaster, sacking Stubbs would be just as bad imo. I may be in the minority but think we have a fantastic coach. The players must take a lot of the blame here as well.

I think we have a very promising coach but he's not achieved anything yet. He wins a trophy and gets us up, I agree with you.

If we don't win anything and fail to get promoted then whilst I acknowledge he has improved us unfortunately he has failed.

It all comes down to fine margins.

[Smartie]

What did Stubbs say after the match?

A'right, a'right, calm down, calm down!

[SlickShoes]

It's funny how often when the crowd show up in droves bad things happen, the hearts game was a special victory the players seem to have enjoyed that, then we become complete garbage.

When the team needed the fans in the relegation season we were still there supporting them, its all down to the managers and the players we have, they need to sort this out there is no5hihg we can do. We just need to turn up, support the team and hope for the best, but really as a hibs fan I can't hope for the best without also actually expecting the worst asbthats often what we get.

[Franck Stanton]

Not going up would be a disaster, sacking Stubbs would be just as bad imo. I may be in the minority but think we have a fantastic coach. The players must take a lot of the blame here as well.


They say a week in politics is a long time, obviously the same applies to football. ANYONE shouting for Stubbs to go should be ashamed of themselves, get a f'n grip. Look at the state of the Club when he took over, ----complete shambles---- only had 8 signed 1st team players. 10 days ---YES DAYS---ago almost every fan on here was singing Stubbs praises, the fans at the games were chanting his name, and now, because of two bad defeats, granted really bad ones, there are bed - wetters on here calling for his head. DON'T SHOUT TOO LOUD _ YOU MAY JUST GET YOUR WISH and we would really be donald-ducked then. BEST MANAGER WE HAVE HAD FOR YEARS.

Now is the time to SUPPORT the team [any idiot can do it when everything in the garden is rosy], so we won't win the league - big deal, to be honest I thought that was always a bridge too far, I DO HOWEVER STILL THINK WE WILL BE PROMOTED via the play-offs. As for the cups --- they will take care of themselves. Calm the phutt doon, get behind the team SHOW that you are a SUPPORTER and not a moaning faced bed-wetting git.

Agree with all of TC's post, especially the bit in bold.

Rant over.

[broondog]

i think that is very true...they are a very average team - they have had the resilience to see through and get results though - our team haven't..


no its not true. average teams don't score when it matters, grind out results and win almost every game in a season, that's what champions do and given the money they have spent it comes as no surprise. It baffles me when people try and say we should be doing better because a team that is now miles ahead is average or pish. We aren't good enough, plain and simple.

Have said it before but at no stage did I think we would best the huns over a season, it's an unrealistic goal to set. whilst im gutted that we have bottled 3 out of the last 4 league matches I definitely saw it coming. There's a lot to be positive about and given that I never expected we would win the league, overall I am not really too dissappointed with the season as a whole and neither should anyone else be.

and unlike some people who seem to get a kick out of posting swathes of negativity on here, I still feel positive. If we win a cup and don't come up I would still say we have had a good season overall. The armageddon some people talk about if we have to spend another year in the championship wont be that bad.

[cabbageandribs1875]

very short interview stubbs " we more or less gifted 3 goals" we're making silly individual errors

[Lago]

2 crosses, 2 headers, 2 goals not good enough at any level. Oh well MOTD to look forward to.

[bigwheel]

no its not true. average teams don't score when it matters, grind out results and win almost every game in a season, that's what champions do and given the money they have spent it comes as no surprise. It baffles me when people try and say we should be doing better because a team that is now miles ahead is average or pish. We aren't good enough, plain and simple.

Have said it before but at no stage did I think we would best the huns over a season, it's an unrealistic goal to set. whilst im gutted that we have bottled 3 out of the last 4 league matches I definitely saw it coming. There's a lot to be positive about and given that I never expected we would win the league, overall I am not really too dissappointed with the season as a whole and neither should anyone else be.

and unlike some people who seem to get a kick out of posting swathes of negativity on here, I still feel positive. If we win a cup and don't come up I would still say we have had a good season overall. The armageddon some people talk about if we have to spend another year in the championship wont be that bad.

You don't get to choose what people feel...everyone has their own perspective. For me, your acceptable performance of winning a cup and not getting promoted - would be a failure of a season.

many people, including Stubbs and the team fully expected to run Rangers close all season...so while you did not, that was not the position of many..

We need promoted - nothing else is remotely acceptable...

[Ozyhibby]

Can't disagree much with any of this. Should've squashed the Celtic murmurs right away.

Can I ask why it is when we have players doing well and a manager that's doing well along with his coaching staff (albeit they've won heehaw), they all get touted for moves elsewhere?

The club on the other side of town have done well these last couple of seasons yet no one is looking at their manager or coaching staff?

Stubbs and the players would do best to stay out if the media outside our own clubs and shut up and get on with it.

It's a very good point. Neilson has done a far superior job yet never gets linked with jobs.


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[blackpoolhibs]

no its not true. average teams don't score when it matters, grind out results and win almost every game in a season, that's what champions do and given the money they have spent it comes as no surprise. It baffles me when people try and say we should be doing better because a team that is now miles ahead is average or pish. We aren't good enough, plain and simple.

Have said it before but at no stage did I think we would best the huns over a season, it's an unrealistic goal to set. whilst im gutted that we have bottled 3 out of the last 4 league matches I definitely saw it coming. There's a lot to be positive about and given that I never expected we would win the league, overall I am not really too dissappointed with the season as a whole and neither should anyone else be.

and unlike some people who seem to get a kick out of posting swathes of negativity on here, I still feel positive. If we win a cup and don't come up I would still say we have had a good season overall. The armageddon some people talk about if we have to spend another year in the championship wont be that bad.

Hibs fans ( some ) never fail to surprise me. How anyone can say a third season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football wont be that bad is beyond me?

Until such time as we are in the top tier, challenging for AT LEAST 4TH PLACE, this team/club will continue to be a shambles.

Not that bad, jeezo. :rolleyes:

[rotherhamrob]

Thought the league was all but gone after Tuesday, it has now that's for sure.

We have to accept that Falkirk are a real threat and that 2nd place is in danger if we don't turn this sudden slump around .... I'm not a football manager and that's why I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what's gone wrong in the last 2 games, or more to the point why its gone wrong.

Alan Stubbs is one however, and this is his first really big test ...... Failure in one off games like last years SC semi or even the play off semi cant be used to measure his ability after one season. How he handles situations like this one is the real test, I like Stubbs a lot, I like his football philosophy and I like the way he comes across in the media.

But now our whole season hangs in the balance:

In theory we are on the cusp of something really special ... to win the LC, make the SC semi finals and be promoted at the same time would be a remarkable achievement on a par with anything the club has done since the 50s. But if this turns into anything more than a 2 game slump we could be heading for disaster ..... If he cant figure out A) ... why we have gone from gods to gimps in the space of 10 days .... and B) ... how to fix it, we could fail on all fronts.

What he does have on his side is the fact that the same group of players who have slumped so dramatically in the last two games is the same group of players who have got us to where we are now ... 2nd in the league, in the League Cup final and a shot at the Scottish Cup semi finals ..... they have done that by beating 3 top 6 premiership teams and wiping the floor with a Utd team who hadn't reached meltdown at that stage.

The next few days should be interesting ..... good luck Stubbsy.

Cracking post, it's what he gets paid for, let's hope he has the answers.

[hfc rd]

no its not true. average teams don't score when it matters, grind out results and win almost every game in a season, that's what champions do and given the money they have spent it comes as no surprise. It baffles me when people try and say we should be doing better because a team that is now miles ahead is average or pish. We aren't good enough, plain and simple.

Have said it before but at no stage did I think we would best the huns over a season, it's an unrealistic goal to set. whilst im gutted that we have bottled 3 out of the last 4 league matches I definitely saw it coming. There's a lot to be positive about and given that I never expected we would win the league, overall I am not really too dissappointed with the season as a whole and neither should anyone else be.

and unlike some people who seem to get a kick out of posting swathes of negativity on here, I still feel positive. If we win a cup and don't come up I would still say we have had a good season overall. The armageddon some people talk about if we have to spend another year in the championship wont be that bad.


Would rather get promoted than win the cup final. Failure to get promoted this season will be a disastrous failure!

[emerald green]

We were really poor the first half... Slow and predictable. Lost poor goals . nade caused us problems ( i would have preferred mcgregor to mark and hanlon to cover rather than vice versa) jason i felt was really poor and is just not geting himself in positions just now. We looked much better when farid and boyle came on and i feel playing boyle and Carmichael wide is the way to go.

The bit in bold. It's not for the first time either IIRC.

I'm slightly surprised there hasn't been more comment about Nade on this thread. Before today, when did Nade last score a goal against anyone?

It's just not getting beat today and on Wednesday. It's the manner, and the timing, of these defeats which is really worrying.

[Dashing Bob S]

Hibs fans ( some ) never fail to surprise me. How anyone can say a third season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football wont be that bad is beyond me?

Until such time as we are in the top tier, challenging for AT LEAST 4TH PLACE, this team/club will continue to be a shambles.

Not that bad, jeezo. :rolleyes:

Agreed. Cups are bonuses. Second tier an embarrassment. We need to be top four regularly. As it goes, I'd put our chances of getting back into the top league this season as less than 50-50.

[Andy74]

Hibs fans ( some ) never fail to surprise me. How anyone can say a third season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football wont be that bad is beyond me?

Until such time as we are in the top tier, challenging for AT LEAST 4TH PLACE, this team/club will continue to be a shambles.

Not that bad, jeezo. :rolleyes:

Agree.

[Alfred E Newman]

The bit in bold. It's not for the first time either IIRC.

I'm slightly surprised there hasn't been more comment about Nade on this thread. Before today, when did Nade last score a goal against anyone?

It's just not getting beat today and on Wednesday. It's the manner, and the timing, of these defeats which is really worrying.

Probably the one he scored against us at ER.

[broondog]

Hibs fans ( some ) never fail to surprise me. How anyone can say a third season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football wont be that bad is beyond me?

Until such time as we are in the top tier, challenging for AT LEAST 4TH PLACE, this team/club will continue to be a shambles.

Not that bad, jeezo. :rolleyes:


Hibs fans (some) also never fail to surprise me especially those who seem to like posting negativity on here at every available opportunity when we have a bad result. You have obviously set higher expectations for the season than me but I would suggest those are unrealistic expectations.

Whilst promotion is the most important thing out of the three competitions we are playing in, I can see that we may not make it through the play offs (complete lottery by the way) and accept that if that is the case as long as we achieve something else this season which we are on course for doing.

Some fans want immediate success without seeing the bigger picture and are prone to a kneejerk reaction. Others see the long term aspect that we are slowly building our club back up again which was a complete shambles until recently to once again compete in the SPL for European places.

[jacomo]

Hibs fans ( some ) never fail to surprise me. How anyone can say a third season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football wont be that bad is beyond me?

Until such time as we are in the top tier, challenging for AT LEAST 4TH PLACE, this team/club will continue to be a shambles.

Not that bad, jeezo. :rolleyes:

Can't argue with your consistency.

And can't really argue with your point either. For all the pretty play, until we're back in the top half of the top division, we are nowhere really.

[Paloschi]

Since it was me calling for stubbs head let me say this... it was a bit of an over reaction - some said wait until the season is over and they are spot on. I was raging and jumped the gun. However, everything else aside if you were told on day 1 after being relegated that the same manager would fail to get us promoted twice you'd be thinking why on earth would he be given a third shot!

Yes i can see progress. I enjoy watching Hibs again but i am only interested in getting out of this division and back where we belong!

[emerald green]

You don't get to choose what people feel...everyone has their own perspective. For me, your acceptable performance of winning a cup and not getting promoted - would be a failure of a season.

many people, including Stubbs and the team fully expected to run Rangers close all season...so while you did not, that was not the position of many..

We need promoted - nothing else is remotely acceptable...

:agree: Promotion is what everyone at Hibs is working towards. That's the club's absolute top priority. Cups are secondary.


Hibs fans ( some ) never fail to surprise me. How anyone can say a third season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football wont be that bad is beyond me?

:agree: I wonder how many season tickets Hibs will sell next season if they don't go up? Will they be able to keep their good young players like McGinn and Cummings and Hanlon for example? Would they really want to spend another season in this s*** league? I doubt it.


Would rather get promoted than win the cup final. Failure to get promoted this season will be a disastrous failure!

:agree: See my comments above.

[SlickShoes]

Hibs fans (some) also never fail to surprise me especially those who seem to like posting negativity on here at every available opportunity when we have a bad result. You have obviously set higher expectations for the season than me but I would suggest those are unrealistic expectations.

Whilst promotion is the most important thing out of the three competitions we are playing in, I can see that we may not make it through the play offs (complete lottery by the way) and accept that if that is the case as long as we achieve something else this season which we are on course for doing.

Some fans want immediate success without seeing the bigger picture and are prone to a kneejerk reaction. Others see the long term aspect that we are slowly building our club back up again which was a complete shambles until recently to once again compete in the SPL for European places.

It's hardly shocking to see negativity when we lose, some of it is a bit OTT but look, we just conceded 6 goals to Morton and Dumbarton, that is a shambles. We have a right to be upset about that.

[Alfred E Newman]

Hibs fans ( some ) never fail to surprise me. How anyone can say a third season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football wont be that bad is beyond me?

Until such time as we are in the top tier, challenging for AT LEAST 4TH PLACE, this team/club will continue to be a shambles.

Not that bad, jeezo. :rolleyes:

I agree. A shambles is probably an exaggeration but I doubt now that Stubbs has a clue what his best 11 is largely due to the over the top chopping and changing.
One thing I will say though, I'm no football manager but with the exception of a couple of games , I just can't see the need to be playing sitting midfield players in this league . We ran over the top of St Johnstone , Aberdeen and United without one.

[blackpoolhibs]

We've had some cracking results this season and last, but if you notice when this place goes into meltdown its when results like this happen.

And the sole reason is yes, cup results are great and winning one will be fantastic, but nobody is really enjoying this league are you?

We have to get promotion one way or another.

[Alfred E Newman]

We've had some cracking results this season and last, but if you notice when this place goes into meltdown its when results like this happen.

And the sole reason is yes, cup results are great and winning one will be fantastic, but nobody is really enjoying this league are you?

We have to get promotion one way or another.

It breaks my heart to see the club struggling to escape from this hellish league. A week ago I was fairly confident we would but I am having serious doubts now. We are fairly certain to make the play offs in some form or other but it doesn't augur well if we can't beat Morton or Dumbarton.

[kj79]

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[Thecat23]

We've had some cracking results this season and last, but if you notice when this place goes into meltdown its when results like this happen.

And the sole reason is yes, cup results are great and winning one will be fantastic, but nobody is really enjoying this league are you?

We have to get promotion one way or another.

We must get out simple as that. If we don't what do we do? Sack Stubbs and hope we find a better manager? Stick with him hoping third time lucky?

For me Hibs have been very unlucky with whom we have shared this league with. The Rangers have a bigger budget and Hearts had a whole season under their belt while Stubbs had 4 weeks to try get a team that first season.

I don't agree we should be so far behind though that's not on. But when looking at the games we have dropped points it's ridiculous errors like Ox chucking a few, Fyvie at Ibrox and another game can't mind which one, defenders having a mare. These things won't change unless players start to keep the same level of concentration.

I'm far from happy about being in this league but I honestly don't think there is anyone out there who could have taken charge and won us promotion. Of course we will never know but on the basis of how much Stubbs has done in such a short space I find it difficult that anyone on his budget can do better.

I can see why folk are worried but I'm more worried losing a structured management team and trying to replace it with money that we don't have.

All about risks, but I still have every bit faith we will go up.

[Greenblood70]

Im not actually sure that, should the worst happen, and we don't go up that Stubbs wouln't resign. His profile is still fairly high down South and with a cup final or win on his cv he may not see a third season managing in the The Championship in Scotland as that attractive. I think he might weigh up the pros and cons and cut his losses and hope for another job down South (probably citing family reasons).

[ancient hibee]

Im not actually sure that, should the worst happen, and we don't go up that Stubbs wouln't resign. His profile is still fairly high down South and with a cup final or win on his cv he may not see a third season managing in the The Championship in Scotland as that attractive. I think he might weigh up the pros and cons and cut his losses and hope for another job down South.

Might not "down South"consider his league record up here?

[Alfred E Newman]

Im not actually sure that, should the worst happen, and we don't go up that Stubbs wouln't resign. His profile is still fairly high down South and with a cup final or win on his cv he may not see a third season managing in the The Championship in Scotland as that attractive. I think he might weigh up the pros and cons and cut his losses and hope for another job down South (probably citing family reasons).

Failure to get a club with the resources that Hibs have out of a crap league like this in two attempts won't go down well on his cv. He has as much to lose as we have if we miss out again.

[blackpoolhibs]

Might not "down South"consider his league record up here?


I think Berwick might take a chance on him?

[Smartie]

We must get out simple as that. If we don't what do we do? Sack Stubbs and hope we find a better manager? Stick with him hoping third time lucky?

For me Hibs have been very unlucky with whom we have shared this league with. The Rangers have a bigger budget and Hearts had a whole season under their belt while Stubbs had 4 weeks to try get a team that first season.

I don't agree we should be so far behind though that's not on. But when looking at the games we have dropped points it's ridiculous errors like Ox chucking a few, Fyvie at Ibrox and another game can't mind which one, defenders having a mare. These things won't change unless players start to keep the same level of concentration.

I'm far from happy about being in this league but I honestly don't think there is anyone out there who could have taken charge and won us promotion. Of course we will never know but on the basis of how much Stubbs has done in such a short space I find it difficult that anyone on his budget can do better.

I can see why folk are worried but I'm more worried losing a structured management team and trying to replace it with money that we don't have.

All about risks, but I still have every bit faith we will go up.

I don't really accept this.

How much money does Stubbs need to get a point at Dumbarton? Not to get horsed at home by Morton?

Yes it's been tougher with Hearts and Rangers in the league, no doubt about that. I accept we'll drop points along the way through mistakes and misfortune, we'll get tough games away to the likes of Falkirk, Raith and Qots and may drop points/lose occasionally there.

I didn't get into following Hibs to accept 2 defeats in a season away to part-time Dumbarton. This is NOT about not having the budget that Rangers do. It's about us failing to do this business and make the most of what we have.

We may yet have a very successful season, even though it doesn't feel like it right now. Promotion via the play-offs and a cup would be an undoubted success.

But it seems a long way off right now.

At least we have time to address our weaknesses.

[ancient hibee]

We have a surprisingly poor record at Dumbarton.

[greenpaper55]

We are rapidly becoming the Leeds united of Scotland, we are to big to be in this league etc, no we are not. we are in this position because of decisions made by you know who for many years, the only way out for sure is to spend enough on players/managers with enough knowledge and experience to achieve this-we have not ! We will return to the top flight but i would not hold your breath on it anytime soon, next year it will be Dundee United then who knows ?

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't really accept this.

How much money does Stubbs need to get a point at Dumbarton? Not to get horsed at home by Morton?

Yes it's been tougher with Hearts and Rangers in the league, no doubt about that. I accept we'll drop points along the way through mistakes and misfortune, we'll get tough games away to the likes of Falkirk, Raith and Qots and may drop points/lose occasionally there.

I didn't get into following Hibs to accept 2 defeats in a season away to part-time Dumbarton. This is NOT about not having the budget that Rangers do. It's about us failing to do this business and make the most of what we have.

We may yet have a very successful season, even though it doesn't feel like it right now. Promotion via the play-offs and a cup would be an undoubted success.

But it seems a long way off right now.

At least we have time to address our weaknesses.

Thats why he's been given all that extra money, to build a squad good enough to contend with difficult fixtures like these. :rolleyes: How many people have said we have the best SQUAD in this league, and even the best squad out with 2 or 3 in the Premiership?

These results are simple not good enough, and never ever should be.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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tuesdays games

Q.o.S v us
st.mirren v Falkirk

5th March

Falkirk v Alloa...3 points for the home team i would think


results not going our way and we go in to the final with moral low

[eastmainsmsh]

Every faith we will go up but won't help last two games

[GreenBlade]

I'm sorry but some of the comments are ridiculous. We all knew it would be a big ask to win the league but seriously? Accept defeat at home to Morton and away to Dumbarton as a blip. I couldn't care less about the cups. One more year in the Championship will be a disaster for the future of our club. We now have Falkirk 2 points behind with ten games left. Stubbs has a comparatively large budget (and that includes premiership teams) but it will be slashed next season with no Rangers games and home games of less than 8000. We can't afford a third yr in this God awful league. That's why we need to hang tight and back our team up to and through the playoffs. If you think the cups are a bonus well you need your head looked at!

[mjhibby]

You don't get to choose what people feel...everyone has their own perspective. For me, your acceptable performance of winning a cup and not getting promoted - would be a failure of a season.

many people, including Stubbs and the team fully expected to run Rangers close all season...so while you did not, that was not the position of many..

We need promoted - nothing else is remotely acceptable...

Totally agree. Season is only a success if we are promoted. Maybe some players and managers are believe the hype we've had recently but we should concentrate from now on in on gaining promotion. The cup games will take care of themselves and in a way our cup runs have hampered our league campaign and probably contributed to our worsening injury situation. I think some players just seem to be not as sharp as they were hence the mistakes and I hope the cup runs don't scupper our season. Let's concentrate on getting second as we know now it is the playoffs.

[Thecat23]

Thats why he's been given all that extra money, to build a squad good enough to contend with difficult fixtures like these. :rolleyes: How many people have said we have the best SQUAD in this league, and even the best squad out with 2 or 3 in the Premiership?

These results are simple not good enough, and never ever should be.

No one is saying it's good enough? I really love how folk twist posts I really do.

Its totally not good enough, so what would you like done? Should we sack him?

[Onion]

We are rapidly becoming the Leeds united of Scotland, we are to big to be in this league etc, no we are not. we are in this position because of decisions made by you know who for many years, the only way out for sure is to spend enough on players/managers with enough knowledge and experience to achieve this-we have not ! We will return to the top flight but i would not hold your breath on it anytime soon, next year it will be Dundee United then who knows ?

Don't know where to begin dissecting this pile of horse manure.

Anyone who seriously thought we'd go straight back up last season with The Rangers and Yams in the league, and after that Butcher of a season needs their head examined. Under the circs, Stubbs did really well. This season, Stubbs has recruited well, got us to a national Cup Final, a national quarter final, beaten some very good Prem sides including the Yams and we STILL have a great chance of getting promoted. These are the FACTS. Time you face up to them and grew a pair. :rolleyes:

[coldingham hibs]

Every faith we will go up but won't help last two games

I've no faith we will go up, can see us losing 5 in a row. Morton, Dumbarton, QOS, Inverness & Ross County. We will finish 3rd in the league and be knocked out by Falkirk in the play off, assuming we get past Raith. We should have signed young, fit, pacy players in January, not players who aren't up for it. Will cost us dearly.

Stubbsy prove me wrong please!

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Did AS report to the media after the game?

What was his take on the proceedings?

Today's game was an abject failure from all those involved: players and manager included.

Our options are we go up via playoffs OR we will be labelled in the same way that previous hibs teams have been as bottlers. Winning at Morton and today would have seen us pushing rangers but now we sit 11 behind and I find myself preparing my pampers for our midweek fixture.

We either shake off our reputation this season or cement it.


"A friend of mine once said he liked his women like his parmesan: strong smelling and shaved"

[Andy74]

No one is saying it's good enough? I really love how folk twist posts I really do.

Its totally not good enough, so what would you like done? Should we sack him?

Cat, you wanted a manager sacked in the top 6 of the top league and who had got the last two Scottish cup finals so it's not that ridiculous that one who doesn't get us promoted over two seasons would come under pressure?

[Thecat23]

I've no faith we will go up, can see us losing 5 in a row. Morton, Dumbarton, QOS, Inverness & Ross County. We will finish 3rd in the league and be knocked out by Falkirk in the play off, assuming we get past Raith. We should have signed young, fit, pacy players in January, not players who aren't up for it. Will cost us dearly.

Stubbsy prove me wrong please!

Wow!!!!

[blackpoolhibs]

No one is saying it's good enough? I really love how folk twist posts I really do.

Its totally not good enough, so what would you like done? Should we sack him?

If we dont get promotion, yes i'd want someone else. FWIW i never said you said it was not good enough, it was me who said it?

[Onion]

I've no faith we will go up, can see us losing 5 in a row. Morton, Dumbarton, QOS, Inverness & Ross County. We will finish 3rd in the league and be knocked out by Falkirk in the play off, assuming we get past Raith. We should have signed young, fit, pacy players in January, not players who aren't up for it. Will cost us dearly.

Stubbsy prove me wrong please!

Oh Dear God. :rolleyes:

Time to stay clear of .net until the bedwetters have left the scene.

[hibs0666]

Cat, you wanted a manager sacked in the top 6 of the top league and who had got the last two Scottish cup finals so it's not that ridiculous that one who doesn't get us promoted over two seasons would come under pressure?

Fenlon resigned. Get over it.

[JJP]

I've no faith we will go up, can see us losing 5 in a row. Morton, Dumbarton, QOS, Inverness & Ross County. We will finish 3rd in the league and be knocked out by Falkirk in the play off, assuming we get past Raith. We should have signed young, fit, pacy players in January, not players who aren't up for it. Will cost us dearly.

Stubbsy prove me wrong please!

Maybe stop posting for the night? I get that you are upset after the result today but jeez...

[WoreTheGreen]

2 defeats to a ' pub team ' not good enough we can't score enough and can't keep clean sheets Ox bomb scare

[Thecat23]

Cat, you wanted a manager sacked in the top 6 of the top league and who had got the last two Scottish cup finals so it's not that ridiculous that one who doesn't get us promoted over two seasons would come under pressure?

But this isn't just a manager it's a whole coaching team, the one we appointed in the top flight was poor and he said himself it was to big a job. We never had a proper scouting system or a proper number 2. There was no fitness coach in fact it was bordering on jnr football stuff.

If Stubbs was in the top flight Hibs would thrive, because we are playing in this league and teams stick 11 behind the ball we seem to struggle (which he should be dealing with) to score.

The difference in football this season is night and day from the Fenlon and Butcher days. I get believe me how much of a disaster staying down again will be but sacking Stubbs would be right up there with it.

[Thecat23]

If we dont get promotion, yes i'd want someone else. FWIW i never said you said it was not good enough, it was me who said it?

Fair dos.

[stoneyburn hibs]

I've no faith we will go up, can see us losing 5 in a row. Morton, Dumbarton, QOS, Inverness & Ross County. We will finish 3rd in the league and be knocked out by Falkirk in the play off, assuming we get past Raith. We should have signed young, fit, pacy players in January, not players who aren't up for it. Will cost us dearly.

Stubbsy prove me wrong please!


You've been posting a load of pish all day.

[blackpoolhibs]

Fair dos.

If Stubbs gets us up he will be away as quick as you can say Rotherham or Sheffield Wednesday, if he fails why would i want another failure as manager?

[leggeto]

We have a surprisingly poor record at Dumbarton.

I remember was I was a laddie mid 80s our bus driver took us to Clydebank instead of dumbarton,numpty eh,just thought of that

[blackpoolhibs]

I remember was I was a laddie mid 80s our bus driver took us to Clydebank instead of dumbarton,numpty eh,just thought of that


:greengrin Quality.

[Thecat23]

If Stubbs gets us up he will be away as quick as you can say Rotherham or Sheffield Wednesday, if he fails why would i want another failure as manager?

I've seen huge improvements in our team since we got Stubbs. Personally think we would be mental to sack him. But maybe I'm in the minority.

We talk about failure should we then remove LD for appointing him? After all Petrie was to blame for these other failures and we were told another failed manager and we should remove who's in charge!

[coldingham hibs]

You've been posting a load of pish all day.

There are optimists & pessimists, I've supported the team for over 40 years, my experience is to be pessimistic. That's the way it is and it's unfair to slate someone because of it. Yes, optimists will think it's a cup double & promotion but nobody slates them.

Let me know how you think the season will pan out and if your right by all means slate me then

[blackpoolhibs]

I've seen huge improvements in our team since we got Stubbs. Personally think we would be mental to sack him. But maybe I'm in the minority.

We talk about failure should we then remove LD for appointing him? After all Petrie was to blame for these other failures and we were told another failed manager and we should remove who's in charge!

I have seen improvement too, now you are just being daft. LD must surely get another 6 chances if Petrie is your guide?

[Thecat23]

I have seen improvement too, now you are just being daft. LD must surely get another 6 chances if Petrie is your guide?

Petrie shouldn't have been given 2 never mind 6. So should we hope LD gets better?

It's a serious question, you talk of failure and it's her who's appointed him. For me both have already been a huge success.

[Mikey09]

Petrie shouldn't have been given 2 never mind 6. So should we hope LD gets better?

It's a serious question, you talk of failure and it's her who's appointed him. For me both have already been a huge success.


Absolutely correct...

[Ozyhibby]

One thing is for sure, they'll both get the sack if Petrie comes under any pressure. Deputy heads must roll and all that. [emoji23]


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[kaimendhibs]

Sack Stubbs? Heard it all now😂

[matty_f]

We had a terrific chance to do something fantastic this season, and we've blown it. We can still win the cup, and there's a decent chance we will. However, THE prize this season is promotion. WE should be challenging The Rangers right up to the wire, and so to have the league out of reach before we hit March is frankly devastating.

It isn't good enough. That's the cold fact that no matter how we dress it up with cup runs - as impressive as they are - or big game performances against top flight teams - again, very impressive - if we can't run The Rangers close in the league and are now looking over our shoulders at Falkirk, and having serious doubts about our promotion chances, then serious questions will have to be asked about the management team.

Our bread and butter is the league. We have a significantly bigger budget than all but one team in this division. We have backed the manager to the hilt, and Stubbs (as far as I can tell) has had everything that he wanted that was within the club's ability to give him. A hand-picked coaching staff, great facilities, technology to assess opponents so we go into games prepared, and some great signings. Yet here we are, having been horsed by Dumbarton and Morton in the space of a few days. Take into account the Livi game as well, and it's fairly grim reading.

Even the victory against Alloa requires some context in that it was a home game against Alloa - a team that we are reasonably expected to beat without any issues. All we achieved in that game was what we should have achieved.

I am always loathe to criticise on a knee jerk reaction, but I don't think any criticism at this stage in the season is knee jerk. We are not even out of February and the title is done, in what should be a two horse race we've not even made it to the final fence.

It's a ****ing disgrace, really. What ever other factors there are - and I appreciate the games have been coming thick and fast - where we are right now is not, and never will be good enough for Hibernian. The noises coming out of Easter Road were about welcoming the hectic fixtures because it meant we were doing well. Well, we're not doing well now. We've collapsed in a very embarrassing fashion and conceded the title in the lamest possible way. The Rangers will cross the line under no pressure whatsoever, and their next visit to Easter Road will be a title party for them, and we'll have to sit and suck it up because of the recent failures of this team. Failure to beat Livingston when The Rangers dropped points, failure to win our game in hand against Morton, and failure to beat a Dumbarton team so bad that it has that fat **** Nade in the side, and we let him score.

The players were meant to be hurting after Wednesday, this was their chance to put it right and we found ourselves three goals down. What a ****ing reaction that was.

[Hibby Bairn]

We had a terrific chance to do something fantastic this season, and we've blown it. We can still win the cup, and there's a decent chance we will. However, THE prize this season is promotion. WE should be challenging The Rangers right up to the wire, and so to have the league out of reach before we hit March is frankly devastating.

It isn't good enough. That's the cold fact that no matter how we dress it up with cup runs - as impressive as they are - or big game performances against top flight teams - again, very impressive - if we can't run The Rangers close in the league and are now looking over our shoulders at Falkirk, and having serious doubts about our promotion chances, then serious questions will have to be asked about the management team.

Our bread and butter is the league. We have a significantly bigger budget than all but one team in this division. We have backed the manager to the hilt, and Stubbs (as far as I can tell) has had everything that he wanted that was within the club's ability to give him. A hand-picked coaching staff, great facilities, technology to assess opponents so we go into games prepared, and some great signings. Yet here we are, having been horsed by Dumbarton and Morton in the space of a few days. Take into account the Livi game as well, and it's fairly grim reading.

Even the victory against Alloa requires some context in that it was a home game against Alloa - a team that we are reasonably expected to beat without any issues. All we achieved in that game was what we should have achieved.

I am always loathe to criticise on a knee jerk reaction, but I don't think any criticism at this stage in the season is knee jerk. We are not even out of February and the title is done, in what should be a two horse race we've not even made it to the final fence.

It's a ****ing disgrace, really. What ever other factors there are - and I appreciate the games have been coming thick and fast - where we are right now is not, and never will be good enough for Hibernian. The noises coming out of Easter Road were about welcoming the hectic fixtures because it meant we were doing well. Well, we're not doing well now. We've collapsed in a very embarrassing fashion and conceded the title in the lamest possible way. The Rangers will cross the line under no pressure whatsoever, and their next visit to Easter Road will be a title party for them, and we'll have to sit and suck it up because of the recent failures of this team. Failure to beat Livingston when The Rangers dropped points, failure to win our game in hand against Morton, and failure to beat a Dumbarton team so bad that it has that fat **** Nade in the side, and we let him score.

The players were meant to be hurting after Wednesday, this was their chance to put it right and we found ourselves three goals down. What a ****ing reaction that was.

Have to say that I completely agree with all of this.

[et_hibby]

Was there today and not convinced Oxley could be blamed for any of the 3.
1st was a well struck shot from ourside the box into the bottom corner. Ideally should've been closed down.
2nd Nade beat him to it, would need to see it again
3rd was a deft flick from a fast cross - ok, near post but it was neatly done.
Apart from that he had very little to do. We were hard done by to lose that given possession/chances created but Dumbarton were up for it and took their 3 chances well.

[blackpoolhibs]

Petrie shouldn't have been given 2 never mind 6. So should we hope LD gets better?

It's a serious question, you talk of failure and it's her who's appointed him. For me both have already been a huge success.

Why shouldnt Petrie not have got 2 chances, to be fair i cant even remember who his first 2 were? Success is all relative, we've achieved nothing yet in fact i think you can put that quote down as one of Stubby's.

Get Hibs up and he can be seen as having some sort of success, hardly a great success given his resources compared to what he has his team playing against. Dumbarton have just done the double over us, they are a bloody part time club run on a shoestring.

As i said get us up and he will rightly get the plaudits before he buggers off to Rotherham or the likes, stay down and nobody will want him apart from some of us.

[Real Emerald]

We had a terrific chance to do something fantastic this season, and we've blown it. We can still win the cup, and there's a decent chance we will. However, THE prize this season is promotion. WE should be challenging The Rangers right up to the wire, and so to have the league out of reach before we hit March is frankly devastating.

It isn't good enough. That's the cold fact that no matter how we dress it up with cup runs - as impressive as they are - or big game performances against top flight teams - again, very impressive - if we can't run The Rangers close in the league and are now looking over our shoulders at Falkirk, and having serious doubts about our promotion chances, then serious questions will have to be asked about the management team.

Our bread and butter is the league. We have a significantly bigger budget than all but one team in this division. We have backed the manager to the hilt, and Stubbs (as far as I can tell) has had everything that he wanted that was within the club's ability to give him. A hand-picked coaching staff, great facilities, technology to assess opponents so we go into games prepared, and some great signings. Yet here we are, having been horsed by Dumbarton and Morton in the space of a few days. Take into account the Livi game as well, and it's fairly grim reading.

Even the victory against Alloa requires some context in that it was a home game against Alloa - a team that we are reasonably expected to beat without any issues. All we achieved in that game was what we should have achieved.

I am always loathe to criticise on a knee jerk reaction, but I don't think any criticism at this stage in the season is knee jerk. We are not even out of February and the title is done, in what should be a two horse race we've not even made it to the final fence.

It's a ****ing disgrace, really. What ever other factors there are - and I appreciate the games have been coming thick and fast - where we are right now is not, and never will be good enough for Hibernian. The noises coming out of Easter Road were about welcoming the hectic fixtures because it meant we were doing well. Well, we're not doing well now. We've collapsed in a very embarrassing fashion and conceded the title in the lamest possible way. The Rangers will cross the line under no pressure whatsoever, and their next visit to Easter Road will be a title party for them, and we'll have to sit and suck it up because of the recent failures of this team. Failure to beat Livingston when The Rangers dropped points, failure to win our game in hand against Morton, and failure to beat a Dumbarton team so bad that it has that fat **** Nade in the side, and we let him score.

The players were meant to be hurting after Wednesday, this was their chance to put it right and we found ourselves three goals down. What a ****ing reaction that was.

I agree, you really couldn't make it with Hibs. As soon as we look a team, get in a position to do something we always seem to fail. The positives are that we can concentrate on the playoff games and I can book a holiday for the week of the Rangers game. If Hanlon is injured long term (REALLY HOPE NOT) I think we have a HUGE problem in getting back up. I'll be at Easter Road against ICT as usual next week and hoping to get into the SC semi's but I don't think I'll be too upset if we fail, win the LC and get promoted.

[emerald green]

We had a terrific chance to do something fantastic this season, and we've blown it. We can still win the cup, and there's a decent chance we will. However, THE prize this season is promotion. WE should be challenging The Rangers right up to the wire, and so to have the league out of reach before we hit March is frankly devastating.

It isn't good enough. That's the cold fact that no matter how we dress it up with cup runs - as impressive as they are - or big game performances against top flight teams - again, very impressive - if we can't run The Rangers close in the league and are now looking over our shoulders at Falkirk, and having serious doubts about our promotion chances, then serious questions will have to be asked about the management team.

Our bread and butter is the league. We have a significantly bigger budget than all but one team in this division. We have backed the manager to the hilt, and Stubbs (as far as I can tell) has had everything that he wanted that was within the club's ability to give him. A hand-picked coaching staff, great facilities, technology to assess opponents so we go into games prepared, and some great signings. Yet here we are, having been horsed by Dumbarton and Morton in the space of a few days. Take into account the Livi game as well, and it's fairly grim reading.

Even the victory against Alloa requires some context in that it was a home game against Alloa - a team that we are reasonably expected to beat without any issues. All we achieved in that game was what we should have achieved.

I am always loathe to criticise on a knee jerk reaction, but I don't think any criticism at this stage in the season is knee jerk. We are not even out of February and the title is done, in what should be a two horse race we've not even made it to the final fence.

It's a ****ing disgrace, really. What ever other factors there are - and I appreciate the games have been coming thick and fast - where we are right now is not, and never will be good enough for Hibernian. The noises coming out of Easter Road were about welcoming the hectic fixtures because it meant we were doing well. Well, we're not doing well now. We've collapsed in a very embarrassing fashion and conceded the title in the lamest possible way. The Rangers will cross the line under no pressure whatsoever, and their next visit to Easter Road will be a title party for them, and we'll have to sit and suck it up because of the recent failures of this team. Failure to beat Livingston when The Rangers dropped points, failure to win our game in hand against Morton, and failure to beat a Dumbarton team so bad that it has that fat **** Nade in the side, and we let him score.

The players were meant to be hurting after Wednesday, this was their chance to put it right and we found ourselves three goals down. What a ****ing reaction that was.

:top marksFans have been let down yet again. The timing of this collapse is what I'm finding difficult to get my head around. I just hope we aren't heading for another cup final Hampden nightmare.

The management and players must not allow that to happen.

[hibby6270]

There are optimists & pessimists, I've supported the team for over 40 years, my experience is to be pessimistic. That's the way it is and it's unfair to slate someone because of it. Yes, optimists will think it's a cup double & promotion but nobody slates them.

Let me know how you think the season will pan out and if your right by all means slate me then

You're right CH. Unfotunately the longer you support the club the more pessimistic you become. I can add another 13 years to your 40. We both think the same way though.

I said it in an earlier post, 53 years of watching Hibs' teams underachieve at the crucial times, still doesn't stop me from loving the club and always supporting them. It's what all fans strive for. That "perfect" season. We were in with a shout of getting there. Promotion and a Cup (or 2) but even now 1 cup would seem like a bit of a hollow success.

Good though it would be to win a cup, promotion was our priority and while that us still possible, the last couple of weeks have put doubt in our minds. Do the players think the same? I hope not.

[Thecat23]

Why shouldnt Petrie not have got 2 chances, to be fair i cant even remember who his first 2 were? Success is all relative, we've achieved nothing yet in fact i think you can put that quote down as one of Stubby's.

Get Hibs up and he can be seen as having some sort of success, hardly a great success given his resources compared to what he has his team playing against. Dumbarton have just done the double over us, they are a bloody part time club run on a shoestring.

As i said get us up and he will rightly get the plaudits before he buggers off to Rotherham or the likes, stay down and nobody will want him apart from some of us.

The Petrie was more tongue in cheek. Hindsight though he's horrific at picking managers and personally can't stand the man but hey that's another topic.

Why do you think Stubbs will just up and leave to the likes of 'Rotherham' not saying he won't leave but I think you are kind of dismissing him to be honest.

So gets us up its "well so he should" if we don't it's sack him he's a failure of a manager! He's lost the battle before he even walks onto the battlefield with some.

If we get up and win a cup he'll be one of the most successful managers Hibs have had in many a year. If he was to win the Scottish and get us up he'd be the best we've had in over a 100 years. Fine lines eh?

Although someone will be on even after that to say aye but mind we lost to Dumbarton 😂

[Benny Brazil]

The Petrie was more tongue in cheek. Hindsight though he's horrific at picking managers and personally can't stand the man but hey that's another topic.

Why do you think Stubbs will just up and leave to the likes of 'Rotherham' not saying he won't leave but I think you are kind of dismissing him to be honest.

So gets us up its "well so he should" if we don't it's sack him he's a failure of a manager! He's lost the battle before he even walks onto the battlefield with some.

If we get up and win a cup he'll be one of the most successful managers Hibs have had in many a year. If he was to win the Scottish and get us up he'd be the best we've had in over a 100 years. Fine lines eh?

Although someone will be on even after that to say aye but mind we lost to Dumbarton 

Twice :greengrin

[Thecat23]

Twice :greengrin

Sshhhh 😁

[Onion]

Sack Stubbs? Heard it all now

Completely agree. But interesting to see how the last two results affect his stock and the media's campaign to get Stubbs to Celtic. Next 3 games will go a long way to determining Hibs season and probably Stubbs immediate future as well.

[blackpoolhibs]

The Petrie was more tongue in cheek. Hindsight though he's horrific at picking managers and personally can't stand the man but hey that's another topic.

Why do you think Stubbs will just up and leave to the likes of 'Rotherham' not saying he won't leave but I think you are kind of dismissing him to be honest.

So gets us up its "well so he should" if we don't it's sack him he's a failure of a manager! He's lost the battle before he even walks onto the battlefield with some.

If we get up and win a cup he'll be one of the most successful managers Hibs have had in many a year. If he was to win the Scottish and get us up he'd be the best we've had in over a 100 years. Fine lines eh?

Although someone will be on even after that to say aye but mind we lost to Dumbarton 

I asked the question earlier why does this place go into meltdown when results like today happen, more so when you add midweek into it? The simple answer is nobody enjoys playing or watching the football in this league.

Promotion is THE most important aim this season last season or ANY season we are in the 2nd tier of Scottish football. He's not lost any battle, he should be getting Hibs up within 2 season, in fact ANY manager should and if not they are a failure in my book no matter if he won the Scottish Cup. Danny Lennon won the League Cup with St Mirren, St Johnstone won the Scottish Cup, i dont think many of us would want either of their managers in charge at Easter Road. John Bloody Hughes wont the Scottish Cup, should we get him back?

Normally any manager who won us a cup would be praised to the hilt, but this is very different.

[Jonnyboy]

We had a terrific chance to do something fantastic this season, and we've blown it. We can still win the cup, and there's a decent chance we will. However, THE prize this season is promotion. WE should be challenging The Rangers right up to the wire, and so to have the league out of reach before we hit March is frankly devastating.

It isn't good enough. That's the cold fact that no matter how we dress it up with cup runs - as impressive as they are - or big game performances against top flight teams - again, very impressive - if we can't run The Rangers close in the league and are now looking over our shoulders at Falkirk, and having serious doubts about our promotion chances, then serious questions will have to be asked about the management team.

Our bread and butter is the league. We have a significantly bigger budget than all but one team in this division. We have backed the manager to the hilt, and Stubbs (as far as I can tell) has had everything that he wanted that was within the club's ability to give him. A hand-picked coaching staff, great facilities, technology to assess opponents so we go into games prepared, and some great signings. Yet here we are, having been horsed by Dumbarton and Morton in the space of a few days. Take into account the Livi game as well, and it's fairly grim reading.

Even the victory against Alloa requires some context in that it was a home game against Alloa - a team that we are reasonably expected to beat without any issues. All we achieved in that game was what we should have achieved.

I am always loathe to criticise on a knee jerk reaction, but I don't think any criticism at this stage in the season is knee jerk. We are not even out of February and the title is done, in what should be a two horse race we've not even made it to the final fence.

It's a ****ing disgrace, really. What ever other factors there are - and I appreciate the games have been coming thick and fast - where we are right now is not, and never will be good enough for Hibernian. The noises coming out of Easter Road were about welcoming the hectic fixtures because it meant we were doing well. Well, we're not doing well now. We've collapsed in a very embarrassing fashion and conceded the title in the lamest possible way. The Rangers will cross the line under no pressure whatsoever, and their next visit to Easter Road will be a title party for them, and we'll have to sit and suck it up because of the recent failures of this team. Failure to beat Livingston when The Rangers dropped points, failure to win our game in hand against Morton, and failure to beat a Dumbarton team so bad that it has that fat **** Nade in the side, and we let him score.

The players were meant to be hurting after Wednesday, this was their chance to put it right and we found ourselves three goals down. What a ****ing reaction that was.

I agree with much of your post, Matty but not the bit I've highlighted. It's premature to say we've blown it when we still have the chance to go up through the play-offs.

[Billy Whizz]

Was there today and not convinced Oxley could be blamed for any of the 3.
1st was a well struck shot from ourside the box into the bottom corner. Ideally should've been closed down.
2nd Nade beat him to it, would need to see it again
3rd was a deft flick from a fast cross - ok, near post but it was neatly done.
Apart from that he had very little to do. We were hard done by to lose that given possession/chances created but Dumbarton were up for it and took their 3 chances well.

Can't give him any blame for the 1st or the 3rd. The second was poorly defended, but he came out and Nade beat him to it. If a goalie comes out, he's got to get a hand on the ball. McGregor was raging at Gunnarsson after the 2nd went in

[hibees 7062]

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[Thecat23]

I asked the question earlier why does this place go into meltdown when results like today happen, more so when you add midweek into it? The simple answer is nobody enjoys playing or watching the football in this league.

Promotion is THE most important aim this season last season or ANY season we are in the 2nd tier of Scottish football. He's not lost any battle, he should be getting Hibs up within 2 season, in fact ANY manager should and if not they are a failure in my book no matter if he won the Scottish Cup. Danny Lennon won the League Cup with St Mirren, St Johnstone won the Scottish Cup, i dont think many of us would want either of their managers in charge at Easter Road. John Bloody Hughes wont the Scottish Cup, should we get him back?

Normally any manager who won us a cup would be praised to the hilt, but this is very different.

That's what I said, if he gets us up and won us any of the trophies he'd be classed as a huge success no? Or would he just be seen as a guy who "should win cups and trophies" because if so then that's pish as we don't win many at all. If we fail to go up and pick up a trophy it's still a success as there is only 2 cups up for grabs in Scotland (not including that plastic one Huns are after) but I'd still rather go up no doubt about it.

Sorry BH we have to agree to disagree on this. I think it's utter madness to speak about sacking Stubbs. For me he's built something special and we shouldn't be losing to Morton or Dunbarton that's spot on, but our season is far from over.

I've watched us drift along in the wilderness since our last trophy and guys like Calderwoood, Fenlon, Butcher are still fresh in my mind. Stubbs is miles and I mean miles ahead of the three of them and will show that in years to come when he moves to a bigger club. Or maybe Rotherham!!

[Pete]

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Wee team eh?

If he wants to suck up to a bunch of cheats and nonce sympathisers then let him.

Fat irrelevant hearts prick.

[Thecat23]

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Can't blame him to be fair. Takes dogs abuse from us. I couldn't care less what he posts. He'll still end up a whale when he stops playing living off cheeseburgers... Oh wait that's now!

[hibees 7062]

Can't blame him to be fair. Takes dogs abuse from us. I couldn't care less what he posts. He'll still end up a whale when he stops playing living off cheeseburgers... Oh wait that's now!

:greengrin

[hibees 7062]

Wee team eh?

If he wants to suck up to a bunch of cheats and nonce sympathisers then let him.

Fat irrelevant hearts prick.

:top marks

[greenpaper55]

It could be that we have to play Raith twice, Falkirk twice then say Patrick or such twice so getting beaten by Dumbarton and Morton hardly fills one with confidence ! Another year or more in this division is a disaster and only brought on by that fat man in the stand-how he is allowed near the place is beyond me !.

[HappyHanlon]

Can someone who was actually at the game today post a wee report so we can be better informed and maybe less prone to making ridiculous comments?

Aye

Misplaced passes, lack of communication and good chances missed. We hit the woodwork twice and whilst we pulled 2 back, never looked like getting an equaliser IMO.

[cleanyman]

I'm really disappointed as I'm sure are many others.

I expected Rangers to win the league but I expected a challenge from Hibs right up until the wire. For it to all end by late February just isn't good enough.

The play offs are a lottery, we have to win that cup final.

[ehf]

You're right CH. Unfotunately the longer you support the club the more pessimistic you become. I can add another 13 years to your 40. We both think the same way though.

I said it in an earlier post, 53 years of watching Hibs' teams underachieve at the crucial times, still doesn't stop me from loving the club and always supporting them. It's what all fans strive for. That "perfect" season. We were in with a shout of getting there. Promotion and a Cup (or 2) but even now 1 cup would seem like a bit of a hollow success.

Good though it would be to win a cup, promotion was our priority and while that us still possible, the last couple of weeks have put doubt in our minds. Do the players think the same? I hope not.

Personally, I would take a League Cup win and another season in the Championship.

People have to remember that after the destruction caused by Fenlon and Butcher/Malpas, we were in the most shambolic state in the Club's history: typified by our SPL status being tossed away by the likes of Ryan McGivern.

[Alfred E Newman]

We had a terrific chance to do something fantastic this season, and we've blown it. We can still win the cup, and there's a decent chance we will. However, THE prize this season is promotion. WE should be challenging The Rangers right up to the wire, and so to have the league out of reach before we hit March is frankly devastating.

It isn't good enough. That's the cold fact that no matter how we dress it up with cup runs - as impressive as they are - or big game performances against top flight teams - again, very impressive - if we can't run The Rangers close in the league and are now looking over our shoulders at Falkirk, and having serious doubts about our promotion chances, then serious questions will have to be asked about the management team.

Our bread and butter is the league. We have a significantly bigger budget than all but one team in this division. We have backed the manager to the hilt, and Stubbs (as far as I can tell) has had everything that he wanted that was within the club's ability to give him. A hand-picked coaching staff, great facilities, technology to assess opponents so we go into games prepared, and some great signings. Yet here we are, having been horsed by Dumbarton and Morton in the space of a few days. Take into account the Livi game as well, and it's fairly grim reading.

Even the victory against Alloa requires some context in that it was a home game against Alloa - a team that we are reasonably expected to beat without any issues. All we achieved in that game was what we should have achieved.

I am always loathe to criticise on a knee jerk reaction, but I don't think any criticism at this stage in the season is knee jerk. We are not even out of February and the title is done, in what should be a two horse race we've not even made it to the final fence.

It's a ****ing disgrace, really. What ever other factors there are - and I appreciate the games have been coming thick and fast - where we are right now is not, and never will be good enough for Hibernian. The noises coming out of Easter Road were about welcoming the hectic fixtures because it meant we were doing well. Well, we're not doing well now. We've collapsed in a very embarrassing fashion and conceded the title in the lamest possible way. The Rangers will cross the line under no pressure whatsoever, and their next visit to Easter Road will be a title party for them, and we'll have to sit and suck it up because of the recent failures of this team. Failure to beat Livingston when The Rangers dropped points, failure to win our game in hand against Morton, and failure to beat a Dumbarton team so bad that it has that fat **** Nade in the side, and we let him score.

The players were meant to be hurting after Wednesday, this was their chance to put it right and we found ourselves three goals down. What a ****ing reaction that was.

Sadly I agree with most of what you say.
Yes, we might still win a trophy and ,unlikely as it is maybe even the holy grail , but the way our league challenge has disintegrated has hit us all.
I have to admit I never saw it coming but the manner of the collapse is nothing short of an embarrassment.

[SeanWilson]

Personally, I would take a League Cup win and another season in the Championship.

People have to remember that after the destruction caused by Fenlon and Butcher/Malpas, we were in the most shambolic state in the Club's history: typified by our SPL status being tossed away by the likes of Ryan McGivern.

No danger. I'd chuck both cups if it were a straight trade for us going up. I'd give the yams there SC victory in return for promotion.

Another year in the championship could be diabolical for our club.

[Brightside]

Hibs biggest problem is that a cup is important. Its not. Beating Hearts means nothing. Might take a generation for that to change.

[kaimendhibs]

Hibs biggest problem is that a cup is important. Its not. Beating Hearts means nothing. Might take a generation for that to change.

Disagree. I've seen hibs win 2 cups in my lifetime. At my age I would love more. Agree that promotion is vital, can do both surely?

[Brightside]

Disagree. I've seen hibs win 2 cups in my lifetime. At my age I would love more. Agree that promotion is vital, can do both surely?

we obv can't. We MUST get out this league. Beating hearts means nowt.

[kaimendhibs]

We aren't playing Hearts in the final

[hfc rd]

Personally, I would take a League Cup win and another season in the Championship.

People have to remember that after the destruction caused by Fenlon and Butcher/Malpas, we were in the most shambolic state in the Club's history: typified by our SPL status being tossed away by the likes of Ryan McGivern.


Another season in the championship will be horrendous. Promotion back to the premiership is vital. Would happily win the play-offs at the expense of a cup final victory against Ross County. Promotion is the main goal, cups are just a bonus.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Six goals conceded in the last two games, having previously been so good defensively; though I'm sure it's just a coincidence and will soon be put right. Automatic promotion has gone; now we need to ensure second place: Falkirk are just two points behind.

[Glory Lurker]

We'll be in the play offs, and we should be confident of going up.

I hope we win our next two games. Losing either of them won't enhance our promotion chances, but losing will just make us more downbeat.

Losing two games against diddy teams isn't great, but of itself it's just two defeats. A collapse, it most certainly isn't.

I am not happy about what's happened this week, but let's not go overboard. I feel we're at the point that we can just put this behind us, or this become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[flash]

Hibs biggest problem is that a cup is important. Its not. Beating Hearts means nothing. Might take a generation for that to change.

What are you on about?

[Andy74]

Personally, I would take a League Cup win and another season in the Championship.

People have to remember that after the destruction caused by Fenlon and Butcher/Malpas, we were in the most shambolic state in the Club's history: typified by our SPL status being tossed away by the likes of Ryan McGivern.

Currently we can only dream about the sort of destruction that Fenlon caused.

[flash]

Currently we can only dream about the sort of destruction that Fenlon caused.

Speak for yourself. Malmo and 5-1 are a pretty spectacular legacy.

[MWHIBBIES]

Personally, I would take a League Cup win and another season in the Championship.

People have to remember that after the destruction caused by Fenlon and Butcher/Malpas, we were in the most shambolic state in the Club's history: typified by our SPL status being tossed away by the likes of Ryan McGivern.What destruction was that then?

[Thecat23]

Speak for yourself. Malmo and 5-1 are a pretty spectacular legacy.

Spot on!

[Thecat23]

What destruction was that then?

I think he maybe means the serious pumping 0-7 at home or the 1-5 in a Scottish cup final to your rivals. As many have stated I don't think anyone disliked Pat he tried but failed and in his own words, it was time he went as it became to big a job.

He didn't have proper backroom staff or a number 2 of his choice. No scouts and the club was run very badly. nothing against him at all, he was just a poor manager along with the others.

[hibbymick]

Win a cup and get promoted through the play offs and we will have had a better season than Sevco. :agree:

[ehf]

I think he maybe means the serious pumping 0-7 at home or the 1-5 in a Scottish cup final to your rivals. As many have stated I don't think anyone disliked Pat he tried but failed and in his own words, it was time he went as it became to big a job.

He didn't have proper backroom staff or a number 2 of his choice. No scouts and the club was run very badly. nothing against him at all, he was just a poor manager along with the others.

Basically it. I liked Fenlon as a person but he was out of his depth. His playing style was horrendous and he signed huddies like McGivern, Kujabi, O'Donovan, Craig, Vine and Collins.

[QMU-1875]

Disgusting the way we have collapsed in February. Letting Malonga leave now looking like an incredibly poor decision. The game against QOTS is HUGE. If we win that's fine, but if we can get a big score line against them and set a marker it will give the side the confidence to kick on. I personally can't see it, but here's hoping we get a big performance on Wednesday that will allow us to build the form up we need for the playoffs!

[blackpoolhibs]

That's what I said, if he gets us up and won us any of the trophies he'd be classed as a huge success no? Or would he just be seen as a guy who "should win cups and trophies" because if so then that's pish as we don't win many at all. If we fail to go up and pick up a trophy it's still a success as there is only 2 cups up for grabs in Scotland (not including that plastic one Huns are after) but I'd still rather go up no doubt about it.

Sorry BH we have to agree to disagree on this. I think it's utter madness to speak about sacking Stubbs. For me he's built something special and we shouldn't be losing to Morton or Dunbarton that's spot on, but our season is far from over.

I've watched us drift along in the wilderness since our last trophy and guys like Calderwoood, Fenlon, Butcher are still fresh in my mind. Stubbs is miles and I mean miles ahead of the three of them and will show that in years to come when he moves to a bigger club. Or maybe Rotherham!!

I also said if he gets us up and wins a cup he will be classed as a success, if he wins a cup and we are still in the championship i dont think he will be classed as much of a success.

And the reason why i think this is while it would be great to win either cups, we'd have 35-40 thousand people supporting us at Hampden for one of them, our first game in the Championship next season would have us struggle to make 8k.

Thats not building a side, that side would be off to pastures new.

Promotion is a must THIS season, this is why any cup success this season is nowhere near the success it has been in seasons past.

[Ronniekirk]

I also said if he gets us up and wins a cup he will be classed as a success, if he wins a cup and we are still in the championship i dont think he will be classed as much of a success.

And the reason why i think this is while it would be great to win either cups, we'd have 35-40 thousand people supporting us at Hampden for one of them, our first game in the Championship next season would have us struggle to make 8k.

Thats not building a side, that side would be off to pastures new.

Promotion is a must THIS season, this is why any cup success this season is nowhere near the success it has been in seasons past.

We all want promotion ,that's a given . Hypothetically looking ahead though if we didn't get up and we won the League Cup ( or whatever it's called now ) by beating four teams from the leaugue above us on the way I think that in itself would still be seen as an achievement in its own right .
However in the context of possibly spending a third season in the Championship it would then get glossed over .

But as Stubbs has pointed out when things were going well ,we have done nothing yet ,all we have done is put ourselves in good positions to achieve things .
At present however we are shooting ourselves in the foot with our recent league performances ,but we did have a blip last year when it looked like we were going to undo all the good work and we came back from that and overhauled The Rangers. Only to run out of Steam when it really mattered in the Play Off s .
I am digressing and I don't have a crystal ball ,but still plenty to play for


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[Super_JMcGinn]

Win a cup and get promoted through the play offs and we will have had a better season than Sevco. :agree:
Spot on, and it can still be done.

No doubt we're all gutted at collapsing in the title race, but the Championship is not and never will be a major trophy. We still have a chance of winning 1, if not 2 and getting promoted, any Rangers fan would swap that in a heartbeat.

[blackpoolhibs]

We all want promotion ,that's a given . Hypothetically looking ahead though if we didn't get up and we won the League Cup ( or whatever it's called now ) by beating four teams from the leaugue above us on the way I think that in itself would still be seen as an achievement in its own right .
However in the context of possibly spending a third season in the Championship it would then get glossed over .

But as Stubbs has pointed out when things were going well ,we have done nothing yet ,all we have done is put ourselves in good positions to achieve things .
At present however we are shooting ourselves in the foot with our recent league performances ,but we did have a blip last year when it looked like we were going to undo all the good work and we came back from that and overhauled The Rangers. Only to run out of Steam when it really mattered in the Play Off s .
I am digressing and I don't have a crystal ball ,but still plenty to play for


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I'm not so sure about that, i have seen more and more posts saying they'd settle for a cup win over promotion. I cant agree with any of that, obviously we'd all like both but promotion is a must over anything else IMO.

Nobody is enjoying these games in the Championship, and how many more would disappear if we were in it again next season?

Yes plenty to play for, but promotion is a must.

[J-C]

I'm not so sure about that, i have seen more and more posts saying they'd settle for a cup win over promotion. I cant agree with any of that, obviously we'd all like both but promotion is a must over anything else IMO.

Nobody is enjoying these games in the Championship, and how many more would disappear if we were in it again next season?

Yes plenty to play for, but promotion is a must.

:agree: Promotion is the most important thing for me and the club, any trophy we get is a bonus.

Funny how the seven changes he made against Alloa worked well but when he went back to the good old 4-4-2 diamond with our so called stronger team we failed. We need natural width to stretch the so called weaker teams but we keep playing the narrow diamond.

[blackpoolhibs]

:agree: Promotion is the most important thing for me and the club, any trophy we get is a bonus.

Funny how the seven changes he made against Alloa worked well but when he went back to the good old 4-4-2 diamond with our so called stronger team we failed. We need natural width to stretch the so called weaker teams but we keep playing the narrow diamond.

The Rangers have pumped teams scoring lots of goals, by using tavenier and wallace as wide men all season, pace. They have scrapped through the odd game too, but they have done what they set out to do and won the scrappy games.

The way we play is so predictable, slow slow slow slow, we do have better players than every side in this league bar sevco, but our way is much easier to defend against than sevcos.

[B.H.F.C]

The Rangers have pumped teams scoring lots of goals, by using tavenier and wallace as wide men all season, pace. They have scrapped through the odd game too, but they have done what they set out to do and won the scrappy games.

The way we play is so predictable, slow slow slow slow, we do have better players than every side in this league bar sevco, but our way is much easier to defend against than sevcos.

Thing is, although we are a better team than we were a year ago, you could have written that post a year ago. Only difference would have been saying Hearts instead of Rangers.

[J-C]

The Rangers have pumped teams scoring lots of goals, by using tavenier and wallace as wide men all season, pace. They have scrapped through the odd game too, but they have done what they set out to do and won the scrappy games.

The way we play is so predictable, slow slow slow slow, we do have better players than every side in this league bar sevco, but our way is much easier to defend against than sevcos.


Yes it's slow and when I said natural width I wasn't talking about Stevenson or Gray.

Stevenson is a defensive minded left midfielder who is adept at playing left back/wingback to a decent level, Gray is primarily a full back and is a better defender than attacker. Tavernier and Wallace play more as out and out wingers, both have beautiful left and right foot accordingly.

We lack pace, width, penetration and our strikers are at times absolutely ****ing honking with the amount of missed chances before they actually score.

[CallumHibs07]

How can anyone accept staying down here for another year as long as we manage to beat Ross County? :faf::faf:

This league is utter pish. We need to get out of it ASAP.

[Captain Trips]

I am in the camp that if we win the League cup we have had a successful season if not promoted. Stubbs has something most of our other managers didnt have that is 2 targets, yeah we want to finish 3rd in SPL and win something but would we accept 4th in SPL and league cup win next season? I think most would.

I want us to get promoted of course but I look back to 1991 and 2007 and those are days I cannot forget.

[Thecat23]

I'm not so sure about that, i have seen more and more posts saying they'd settle for a cup win over promotion. I cant agree with any of that, obviously we'd all like both but promotion is a must over anything else IMO.

Nobody is enjoying these games in the Championship, and how many more would disappear if we were in it again next season?

Yes plenty to play for, but promotion is a must.

I'd 100% take promotion over a cup in case you think I'm one. As for attendances you mentioned about being 8k if we stay in the championship sadly BH you are kidding yourself on if you think we can get much better in the top flight week in week out. 10k Max.

Still better I agree and would give us more cash but unless Hibs are sitting second or first I doubt we would be anywhere near even 12 or 14K weekly.