UEFA spoiling Hibs TV once more - Morton game audio only for overseas

[KWJ]

Cliff mentioned it during the Alloa game that the club were checking with UEFA as they were under the impression that Championship games would be cool to broadcast as it's not 'premier competition'. Seems it is :bitchy:

Hey UEFA ----- > :rules::take that:slipper::Ummm::soapbox::wtf::kdarts::chop::no way:

Absolute Shereen Nanjiani's.

[Silky]

That's poor. I was under the impression that a game could be broadcast if it was re-scheduled. As this game has been re-scheduled I can't see why not.

From what I gather, the derby could not be shown because it was a replay. Had it been postponed and re'arranged then that would have been ok. Technically, the Morton game was postponed first time round, so I can't see UEFA's reasoning here. I would show it.

[Callum_62]

That's poor. I was under the impression that a game could be broadcast if it was re-scheduled. As this game has been re-scheduled I can't see why not.

From what I gather, the derby could not be shown because it was a replay. Had it been postponed and re'arranged then that would have been ok. Technically, the Morton game was postponed first time round, so I can't see UEFA's reasoning here. I would show it.

so why are the u21's ok and the Scottish 1st division isnt?

[hibbysam]

Cliff mentioned it during the Alloa game that the club were checking with UEFA as they were under the impression that Championship games would be cool to broadcast as it's not 'premier competition'. Seems it is :bitchy:

Hey UEFA ----- > :rules::take that:slipper::Ummm::soapbox::wtf::kdarts::chop::no way:

Absolute Shereen Nanjiani's.

I'll go back to my original point during the Hearts shenanigans then... Why then, were we allowed to show the Livingston game on BBC Alba during Champions League 1/4 final night last season? Made up as they go along I reckon!

[Not In The Know]

Hibs shouldn't even be asking permission. Show it then let's just see the publicity we get when the UEFA billionaires fine/sue a Scottish second tier team.

[lyonhibs]

so why are the u21's ok and the Scottish 1st division isnt?

I imagine because the Scottish 1st division is senior football.

Clearly, it is absolutely ridiculous whatever way one looks at it.

[DH1875]

As it's a rearranged game there's nothing to stop us showing it, even to UK fans. Nothing to do with UEFA.

[Not In The Know]

Surely the ban can only be enforced if the game is being "broadcasted" in European countries. The rest of the world don't stop showing a football game because the champions league is on.

Any Subscriber living outwith Europe should still be able to watch the match on Hibs TV :wink:.

[Carheenlea]

Hibs shouldn't even be asking permission. Show it then let's just see the publicity we get when the UEFA billionaires fine/sue a Scottish second tier team.

This :agree:

How will UEFA ever know? They will be watching the Champions League, just like they appear to expect anyone and everyone who is interested in football.

[Craig_HFC]

I imagine because the Scottish 1st division is senior football.

Clearly, it is absolutely ridiculous whatever way one looks at it.

Still doesn't explain why our game at Livi last season was shown on BBC Alba while the Champions League was on.

[7Hero]

Barcelona played Sporting HeeHon last week and it was live on sky same night as champions league..


http://www.skysports.com/football/sporting-g-vs-barcelona/preview/347725


No reason why hibs can't broadcast if this is the case !!

[lyonhibs]

Still doesn't explain why our game at Livi last season was shown on BBC Alba while the Champions League was on.

I'll delve into the warped UEFA mindset and say that that was because it's not on a mainstream, English speaking channel.

Or maybe Alba just did what Hibs and indeed the "main" BBC should have the baws to do and just flick the proverbial vickies at UEFA, show it and then see if anyone notices. Which they almost certainly won't.

[lyonhibs]

Barcelona played Sporting HeeHon last week and it was live on sky same night as champions league..


http://www.skysports.com/football/sporting-g-vs-barcelona/preview/347725


No reason why hibs can't broadcast if this is the case !!

That game was over before the CL kicked off though, so no clash/risk of removing a miniscule number of viewers from the UEFA gravy train.

[7Hero]

That game was over before the CL kicked off though, so no clash/risk of removing a miniscule number of viewers from the UEFA gravy train.

Fair point..

:aok:

[Just Jimmy]

Hibs should fine UEFA for thinking they even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the single greatest football club on the planet.

[O'Rourke3]

Charlie Richmond made the point on OTB on Saturday. Rearranging is not the principal reason. The original game also has to have been postponed. Replays are arranged.....

Sent via the bushes @ EM

[worcesterhibby]

I hate Modern Football

[hibbybrian]

I'll delve into the warped UEFA mindset and say that that was because it's not on a mainstream, English speaking channel.

HibsTV is hardly a mainstream channel :greengrin and as for the English speaking, have you heard Cliff shouting for Hibs scoring an early seconghalf GOAL whist the last remnants of his halftime pie are still on the way down :greengrin

[HibsNutter]

This rule aims to force the majority of football fans throughout Europe to watch the Champions League, which says a lot about the entertainment it can offer at times. This is ridiculous and something that needs to be changed, even if only for nations who are not competing in the specified CL round. Only really interested in the Champions League when it gets to the semi's personally.

[Thecat23]

That's a joke, once again the most over rated competition in the world dictates everyone else's schedule. No one gives a **** about CL football it's died a death and should be binned for something new.

[Geo_1875]

That's a joke, once again the most over rated competition in the world dictates everyone else's schedule. No one gives a **** about CL football it's died a death and should be binned for something new.

Make your mind up. Is it the EPL or the CL we're talking about?

[TAHibby]

Just do it anyway, would they even notice? They'll be too busy ****ing themselves over bayern or whoever it is that's playing that night

[HiBremian]

Up Periscope. :lurksub:

Anyone going to the match with a well-charged smartphone and enough data in their package to give us ripped-off overseas Hibs TV subscribers a look-in? :confused:

PS Irvine Welsh was right the other day at the end of the Famous Five documentary. Pro fitba' today is the epitome of monopoly capitalism.

[zlatan]

Disgusting state of affairs. Sooner all these elite mobs pack up and leave to do their own money spinning thing the better.

[HiBremian]

Just do it anyway, would they even notice? They'll be too busy ****ing themselves over bayern or whoever it is that's playing that night

Tomorrow night's games:

PSV v Atletico
Kiev v Citee
:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:

[lyonhibs]

HibsTV is hardly a mainstream channel :greengrin and as for the English speaking, have you heard Cliff shouting for Hibs scoring an early seconghalf GOAL whist the last remnants of his halftime pie are still on the way down :greengrin

I was referring to the BBC Alba game :greengrin

[CallumLaidlaw]

Up Periscope. :lurksub:

Anyone going to the match with a well-charged smartphone and enough data in their package to give us ripped-off overseas Hibs TV subscribers a look-in? :confused:

PS Irvine Welsh was right the other day at the end of the Famous Five documentary. Pro fitba' today is the epitome of monopoly capitalism.

I'll see if my dad has his portable charger still.

[HiBremian]

I'll see if my dad has his portable charger still.

:aok: Cheers Callum. Followed you last week.

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This little charger keeps my portable recorder going for hours, by the way.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Yeah I have a wee credit card sized one but my dad has one that's a wee bit bigger than an iPhone and charges a phone 5 times over so could keep that running

[tigerted]

At least the audio would appear to be available. I was listening to the build up and pre-match interviews In Tenerife last week for the replay, when at 7.45pm on the dot,we got a prerecorded message broadcast on 810mw: for rights reasons, we are unable to continue with this broadcast!

That's all I needed to hear at that stage. B****s!

[GreenLake]

Surely the ban can only be enforced if the game is being "broadcasted" in European countries. The rest of the world don't stop showing a football game because the champions league is on.

Any Subscriber living outwith Europe should still be able to watch the match on Hibs TV :wink:.

Unfortunately the SFA signed a contract to take a share of the money doled out to National Associations from TV rights to Champions League which means blackout on Tuesdays and Wednesdays when they are playing.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1858497.html

The amount shared out is declared but not how much goes to the SFA or how much the SFA give to Hibs. Might be a question for HLS to ask Leeann or Petrie. It should be easy to calculate how much we lost from TV rights and arrive at the true payment for suffering blackouts which better be damn good.

Solidarity payments to clubs not qualified for UEFA club competitions
• A total of €112m will be distributed to national associations and/or leagues for their clubs, compared to €82.4m in the 2012-15 cycle, thus representing an increase of more than 35%. 80% of this amount will be distributed to national associations and/or leagues with at least one club participating in the UEFA Champions League group stage and 20% to national associations and/or leagues without participating clubs. Only clubs not participating in the group stage of either competition will be entitled to a share of these solidarity payments.
• Furthermore, the distribution to national associations and/or leagues will no longer be exclusively based on their market value, but 60% of the available amounts will be distributed in equal shares amongst all national associations and/or leagues and only 40% will follow the market value. This will ensure a fairer distribution of solidarity amounts to European clubs.

[jgl07]

Still doesn't explain why our game at Livi last season was shown on BBC Alba while the Champions League was on.
Probably because they weren't daft enough to ask.

This takes me back to Jim Farry's time in the SFA. He wouldn't allow any match to be televised in Scotland if there was a game in the Dundee and District Fireman's League.

The BBC and STV accepted this meekly and blanked out the screens in Scotland for matches that were being shown in England. Then Channel Four showed a live match and told Jim Farry to stick it. He backed off once his bluff was called.

Back in the early 1990s there were few if any live matches in Scotland, Cup Finals and Internationals aside. Attendances were generally lower than now.

[HiBremian]

Unfortunately the SFA signed a contract to take a share of the money doled out to National Associations from TV rights to Champions League which means blackout on Tuesdays and Wednesdays when they are playing.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1858497.html

The amount shared out is declared but not how much goes to the SFA or how much the SFA give to Hibs. Might be a question for HLS to ask Leeann or Petrie. It should be easy to calculate how much we lost from TV rights and arrive at the true payment for suffering blackouts which better be damn good.

Solidarity payments to clubs not qualified for UEFA club competitions
• A total of €112m will be distributed to national associations and/or leagues for their clubs, compared to €82.4m in the 2012-15 cycle, thus representing an increase of more than 35%. 80% of this amount will be distributed to national associations and/or leagues with at least one club participating in the UEFA Champions League group stage and 20% to national associations and/or leagues without participating clubs. Only clubs not participating in the group stage of either competition will be entitled to a share of these solidarity payments.
• Furthermore, the distribution to national associations and/or leagues will no longer be exclusively based on their market value, but 60% of the available amounts will be distributed in equal shares amongst all national associations and/or leagues and only 40% will follow the market value. This will ensure a fairer distribution of solidarity amounts to European clubs.

My back of fag packet calculations. 20% of €112m is shared out to national associations without clubs in the group stages (including Scotland). That's about €22.4, or £17.5m.
AFAIK there are 53 member associations, of which I reckon 16 had teams in the group stage, so £17.5m was shared by the other 37 associations, an average of £473k per association (no idea if Scotland would be higher or lower than that). On an even handout to each club, that would be around £11,000 per club. I believe we're getting £80,000 from the BBC for the Inverness tie, so the replay against the Yams would have surely raked in at least as much? :dunno:

[Jack Hackett]

My back of fag packet calculations. 20% of €112m is shared out to national associations without clubs in the group stages (including Scotland). That's about €22.4, or £17.5m.
AFAIK there are 53 member associations, of which I reckon 16 had teams in the group stage, so £17.5m was shared by the other 37 associations, an average of £473k per association (no idea if Scotland would be higher or lower than that). On an even handout to each club, that would be around £11,000 per club. I believe we're getting £80,000 from the BBC for the Inverness tie, so the replay against the Yams would have surely raked in at least as much? :dunno:

:faf:

Sorry. Had to laugh at that.

Regardless of how the money is split, it's a serious shortfall in earnings for Hibs. Once again the people running our game have sold us down the river for a pittance.

[HiBremian]

:faf:

Sorry. Had to laugh at that.

Regardless of how the money is split, it's a serious shortfall in earnings for Hibs. Once again the people running our game have sold us down the river for a pittance.

It felt like a foreign language when I typed it :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

Periscope anyone?

[Jack Hackett]

Periscope anyone?


Is that you Vladimir?.......There's a few folk would like a word :Romanov:

[Craig_in_Prague]

Hibs should say it was porn not football. The football is so sexy and all ;)
And against Hearts there was 3500 fannies on show.

Cant complain though we're on TV v ICT, Raith week after the final and Rangers soon after that. Alloa last weekend and Livingston week before. Loads of Hibees on the box.

[lyonhibs]

Probably because they weren't daft enough to ask.

This takes me back to Jim Farry's time in the SFA. He wouldn't allow any match to be televised in Scotland if there was a game in the Dundee and District Fireman's League.

The BBC and STV accepted this meekly and blanked out the screens in Scotland for matches that were being shown in England. Then Channel Four showed a live match and told Jim Farry to stick it. He backed off once his bluff was called.

Back in the early 1990s there were few if any live matches in Scotland, Cup Finals and Internationals aside. Attendances were generally lower than now.

Sorry, your 2nd paragraph is a witty joke right??

[Greencore]

Periscope at the ready for our over sea fans and who can't make the game:)

[IberianHibernian]

I presume this a is a new rule as I`ve been watching Hibs TV live since it started and we must have played at same time as CL matches many times . Next step , presumably , would be to ban weekend broadcasts since our 3 pm matches coincide with English and Spanish matches which are being televised live in Europe and beyond .

[GreenLake]

The main benefit I suspect is that there is less money to compete with the one club that wins the league.

[erin-go-bragh87]

Periscope at the ready for our over sea fans and who can't make the game:)

Do you mean you'll be doing it? How do I watch it? Do I need the app?

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Periscope at the ready for our over sea fans and who can't make the game:)

Can you provide a link please?

[jgl07]

Sorry, your 2nd paragraph is a witty joke right??
You obviously did not know Jim Farry! I pinched that particular quote from Off The Ball.

He certainly tried to stop Channel Four showing live midweek matches in Scotland when there was any SFL matches scheduled.

Channel Four refused on the grounds that they had paid for national coverage. BBC and STV always complied with Farry.

[Hibee87]

Periscope at the ready for our over sea fans and who can't make the game:)

I came on here to ask who was going to be using periscope tonight instead :thumbsup:

I have the misfortune on watching the wee man whilst the ball n chain goes tonight so any form of viewing would be appreciated

[Golden Bear]

It must be ok for Radio Scotland to provide a live commentary of the match yet Hibs TV are barred from showing live coverage for our overseas supporters.

UEFA are well named.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I came on here to ask who was going to be using periscope tonight instead :thumbsup:

I have the misfortune on watching the wee man whilst the ball n chain goes tonight so any form of viewing would be appreciated

I've got my dads portable charger with me tonight and still have my unlimited data so will have a go too :aok: @laidlawjock

[MileHighBees]

Hibs v Livi just got re-arranged for Tue 5 April.
Guess which 'popular' European football competition has QF matches scheduled for that night ??
Looks like that will be another home game black-out for HTV then.
:no way:

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2016/matches/day=9/session=1/index.html

[HiBremian]

I've got my dads portable charger with me tonight and still have my unlimited data so will have a go too :aok: @laidlawjock

:thumbsup: Looking forward to it Callum. Another 2 fingers to the suits. Maybe we overseas fans need to club together to buy you a portable tripod to save your arm muscles :greengrin

[Hibee87]

I've got my dads portable charger with me tonight and still have my unlimited data so will have a go too :aok: @laidlawjock


Good Lad, Caught a bit of yours at the hearts (Again, it seemed to be my turn to watch the bairn whilst she got to go, oh but I did get alloa :rolleyes: lol)

:thumbsup:

[DH1875]

Hibs v Livi just got re-arranged for Tue 5 April.
Guess which 'popular' European football competition has QF matches scheduled for that night ??
Looks like that will be another home game black-out for HTV then.
:no way:

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2016/matches/day=9/session=1/index.html

Thought if it were a rearranged game they were allowed to show it?
Which has got me thinking, is tonight's game not a rearranged game (my heads no working)?

[MileHighBees]

Thought if it were a rearranged game they were allowed to show it?
Which has got me thinking, is tonight's game not a rearranged game (my heads no working)?

Tonight's game was original scheduled for 30 Jan.
It was postponed due to our SF v St Johnstone that day.

[silverhibee]

I've got my dads portable charger with me tonight and still have my unlimited data so will have a go too :aok: @laidlawjock

Logged in CL, hope it works. :thumbsup:

[London Hibs FC]

Logged in CL, hope it works. :thumbsup:

Me too. Thanks in advance CL 👍

[liamh2202]

Does anyone have a link for the game... Cant find one and tune in radio app normally cuts off

[Green Reaper]

Where do you log in for this? Thanks

[silverhibee]

Where do you log in for this? Thanks

Download the app "Periscope" first.

[KWJ]

Periscope at the ready for our over sea fans and who can't make the game:)

Got Callum's that hasn't started up yet. Anyone have Greencore's, DM if you don't want to put up here please!

GGTTH

[Green&White]

Got Callum's that hasn't started up yet. Anyone have Greencore's, DM if you don't want to put up here please!

GGTTH
Can anyone get them working? Mine just keeps loading but never actually loads???

Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk

[HiBremian]

Can anyone get them working? Mine just keeps loading but never actually loads???

Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk

Got Callum's stream working. Best way is to find it on the map first I reckon..

[Green Reaper]

Download the app "Periscope" first.

Got it, thanks

[worcesterhibby]

pictures are about 12 seconds ahead of the Hibs Tv Commentary

[silverhibee]

Can anyone get them working? Mine just keeps loading but never actually loads???

Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk

Callums one is working a treat, even zoomed it in for us. :thumbsup:

[worcesterhibby]

lost the periscope feed..has it stopped for everyone else ?

[CMac1988]

lost the periscope feed..has it stopped for everyone else ?

Callum just started it back up.

[1van Sprou7e]

Callum just started it back up.

Down again :(

Seems UEFA have caught on already

[1van Sprou7e]

Or maybe not...

Up again (for now)

[worcesterhibby]

Callum just started it back up.

got it

[KWJ]

Would imagine it's more on the scene issues with Callum's phone or signal.

Cummings misses sitter :(

Maybe glad we didn't see that one!

[CallumLaidlaw]

Haha. Rudely, I got a couple of phone calls. How dare they [emoji6]

[London Hibs FC]

Grateful for you doing this Sir. In sync with Sportsound from the comfort of my living room in West London 👌

[blackpoolhibs]

You can watch a re run of man united v blackpool under 21s on man u tv while these champions league games are on, whats different here to allowing overseas fans to watch our game? :confused:

[HibsMax]

What a load of sheit. Hopefully the next time the SFA enters negotiations with UEFA they bring this up. As has been stated many times before, nobody gives a F about the CL. HibsTV showing the game to overseas fans will not impact UEFA's takings in any meaningful way.

As for showing the game to people outside of Europe, that would be a start IMO. HibsTV could block requests from European IP addresses. We all know there are ways around that but that's not Hibs' concern. All they need to do is show that they are restricting the broadcast to non-Europeans. The BBC, now they care. I tried to access the BBC iPlayer and it was blocked. I tried connecting via a VPN and that was blocked also (BBC blocks unauthorized VPN access). However, Hibs don't need to do that because the viewers are paying subscribers unlike the BBC who "rely" on the license fees.

I understand that by the letter of the law Hibs are forced into this situation but if people would engage their brains it's clearly a flawed plan. I don't think there's anything that can happen until a new deal is negotiated.

[andyf5]

https://www.periscope.tv/hibsgame/1vAxRjqRqpRxl

[Gatecrasher]

Hey Calum as a STH who couldn't be there tonight, thanks it was good to be able to watch some of the game.

[zlatan]

Three cheers for UEFA :not worth

[lyonhibs]

Did us a big favour as it turns out

[calumhibee1]

BREAKING: FA confirm FA Cup fifth round replay between Hull and Arsenal will take place on Tuesday, March 8th, with a 7pm kickoff #SSNHQ

Same night as champ lge. Okay it's not quite the same kick off time but it's being shown on BT Sport. How is this allowed to happen?

[CallumLaidlaw]

BREAKING: FA confirm FA Cup fifth round replay between Hull and Arsenal will take place on Tuesday, March 8th, with a 7pm kickoff #SSNHQ

Same night as champ lge. Okay it's not quite the same kick off time but it's being shown on BT Sport. How is this allowed to happen?

If it overlaps then it should not be allowed. But I think the FA have taken a fine in the past, and are probably willing to do so again.

[Same Sleeves]

[QUOTE=CallumLaidlaw;4598854]If it overlaps then it should not be allowed. But I think the FA have taken a fine in the past, and are probably willing to do so again.[/QUOTE


The Football Association today confirms the Emirates FA Cup fifth round replay between Hull City and Arsenal will be played at the KC Stadium on Tuesday 8 March (7pm kick-off).

In-depth and exhaustive discussions have taken place over the last 72 hours with all associated parties to determine the scheduling of this fixture and The FA recognises that this is not an ideal solution for everyone.

However, it does strengthen the case for footballing bodies to work closely together in a positive, collaborative way to resolve the overcrowded and untenable fixture schedule.

FA chief executive Martin Glenn said: "We want all of our clubs to be part of strong, vibrant domestic competitions, to perform well on the European stage and for the England team to be challenging for international honours.

"To have a better chance of achieving these aims more effectively, it is imperative we resolve the on-going problem of match scheduling together.

“We would like to thank UEFA for taking the time it has to understand our position on this matter.

"Fixture scheduling is an issue for the whole game so let’s build upon the productive conversations we have held with the Premier League and Football League and call upon UEFA to join the discussion to create clear, workable guidelines for the benefit of all.

"This will help our teams in the pursuit for trophies; enable fans to fully enjoy and access all the matches their teams participate in and allow broadcast partners to maximise the TV rights they have purchased."

It is important to note that numerous factors were fully considered before agreeing the date and time for the Hull City v Arsenal replay.

Firstly, both clubs are challenging for honours and require the best available preparation time. As such, Monday 7 March was ruled out as an option.

It is recognised that this match will be partially played when UEFA have a scheduled programme of European fixtures and if there were any suitable alternatives, The FA would have warmly accepted these.

There was an option for a 5.45pm kick off, however, the spirit of The FA Cup is strongly defined by the supporters and an earlier time would have significantly impacted on fans’ attendance. This was not a viable solution.

The winners of the replay will take on Watford in the sixth round.

Hull City v Arsenal
Emirates FA Cup
Fifth Round replay
7pm, Tuesday 8 March
KC Stadium, Hull City FC
Live on BT Sport

Winning club will receive £180,000 from FA prize fund

[MileHighBees]

BREAKING: FA confirm FA Cup fifth round replay between Hull and Arsenal will take place on Tuesday, March 8th, with a 7pm kickoff #SSNHQ

Same night as champ lge. Okay it's not quite the same kick off time but it's being shown on BT Sport. How is this allowed to happen?

http://www.thefa.com/news/the-fa-cup/2016/feb/fifth-round-replay-hull-city-arsenal-date

Let me get this right :-
Hull v Arsenal is allowed to be broadcast on UK TV to an audience of potentially millions of people.
HTV are not allowed to live stream Hibs v Morton to overseas fans, a potential audience of maybe about 100 or 200 people ??
One rule for some and another rule for others.
This situation just went from being annoying to completely farcical :no way:
I guess we'll just need to wait and see what happens with the Hibs v Livi game on April 5th.

[KWJ]

Utter Pish.

[Dashing Bob S]

Never thought that there was anything UEFA could do to make them go up in my estimation, but...

[CallumLaidlaw]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160228/688e51c9c7bfc5f5e8386a99ce0bdd11.jpg
Am I missing something? How's this possible?

[Billy Whizz]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160228/688e51c9c7bfc5f5e8386a99ce0bdd11.jpg
Am I missing something? How's this possible?

I'm confused Callum. The Caley v Hearts game was due to be on TV a few weeks ago, but was postponed due to a waterlogged park

[jgl07]

Someone has obviously decided to tell UEFA to piss off.

Good for the FA and BT Sport.

It is time for the SPFL and the SFA to show the same resolve.

[HiBremian]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160228/688e51c9c7bfc5f5e8386a99ce0bdd11.jpg
Am I missing something? How's this possible?

Must be a typo, Callum. Obviously, the big team are in the final stages of the Champions League. :cb