NHC Adam Johnson sacked by Sunderland

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Nae great surprise.

[Shrekko]

Nae great surprise.
BIG Scottish club already showing an interest apparently....

[Sir David Gray]

No way he could have continued at a club like Sunderland after admitting to such a serious offence.

He could very well end up with a custodial sentence after his trial has finished in a few weeks' time although no doubt there will be a club somewhere looking to snap him up at some point.

Career and reputation is in complete ruins though.

[iwasthere1972]

Nothing else they could do now that he's admitted it. May be the end of his career as I can't see any club now employing him. Probably avoid a prison sentence too.

[21.05.2016]

Only BIG clubs employ sex offenders . . . .

[cabbageandribs1875]

BIG Scottish club already showing an interest apparently....


a club that employs sex offenders ? play in dark pink ?

[Ozyhibby]

BIG Scottish club already showing an interest apparently....

Really BIG? [emoji23]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

nicholson will be touching himself at the thought of it

[WWFTWTG]

a club that employs sex offenders ? play in dark pink ?

****** does not show on a dark pink jersey

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

BIG Scottish club already showing an interest apparently....

He looks like Craig Gordon.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yet Hearts didn't get rid of Thomson for over 12 months...

[Tinribs]

Yet Hearts didn't get rid of Thomson for over 12 months...

Same for Adam Johnson, suspended briefly in March last year then reinstated.

[Zazu62]

Will he get the jail ?

[MWHIBBIES]

Same for Adam Johnson, suspended briefly in March last year then reinstated.He wasn't convicted of anything then though, innocent until proven guilty. Hearts employed Thomson for over a year when he was on the sex offenders register.

[lucky]

He's admitted 1 offense of sex with a minor and 1 of grooming. He's facing 2 more charges at court on Friday. Id imagine he's already facing jail but until the details of the full case are heard it's difficult to say long he'll get. But I doubt he will play professional football again.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Hearts will sign him :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Will he get the jail ?

He's admitted sex with a minor and grooming, so there must be every chance.

[Craigmount Hibs]

He's admitted sex with a minor and grooming, so there must be every chance.

What, of the poppy thieves trying to sign him?

[silverhibee]

What are the other charges he has pleaded not guilty to.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What are the other charges he has pleaded not guilty to.
Two further charges of sex with a minor.

[HappyAsHellas]

Stealing poppies and playing in a $%^&hole

[Hannah_hfc]

As with the ched Evans scenario, any club attempting to sign him will face a major backlash.

I can see his professional football career being well and truly over.

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[Aldo]

Sexual activity with a minor and grooming. I wonder how the activity is described. I am sure if it was intercourse it would of been reported as that surely??

[KWJ]

Spot the difference

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546894

vs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13901775

[Onceinawhile]

Sexual activity with a minor and grooming. I wonder how the activity is described. I am sure if it was intercourse it would of been reported as that surely??

Think you are right.

Sunderland did well to sack him. Too many clubs these days would have been hoping he could redeem himself.

[Onion]

He's admitted sex with a minor and grooming, so there must be every chance.

Up to 2.5 years for the offences he's admitted to. Up to 14 years for the one's he's denied. So every chance he'll soon be playing for Jail United.

[Pete]

Think you are right.

Sunderland did well to sack him. Too many clubs these days would have been hoping he could redeem himself.

Really? I don't know one club that would...

..sorry scrub that. I know one that probably would.

[Platinum Scotty]

guidelines on sentencing for the grooming offence giving a maximum of two years and six months.

will be interesting to see what he actually gets - as that's for grooming, if he admits to kissing and/or touching her too...surely he is over the maximum and if he gets guilty on the other two...must be a longer sentence again...........mind you its the legal system, could get away with a suspended sentence with some of the judges!

[Thecat23]

He will never play professional football again.

He can stick to playing FIFA U16 😁

[Big_Franck]

Always thought he looked like a jambo.

[Cabbage East]

"There was only really ever one club for me."

[SeanWilson]

He's admitted sex with a minor and grooming, so there must be every chance.

No, he hasn't

[Bostonhibby]

Not sure he's yam class they've already ticked the knowingly signing then continuing to employ the convicted sex offenders box. They've then moved on to stealing money from charities, who knows what's next? Keep your dog on a lead.

[BoomtownHibees]

He's admitted sex with a minor and grooming, so there must be every chance.

Think you need to watch your wording as the above isn't actually true

[HibbySpurs]

No shock, only choice Sunderland had was to sack him and quite rightly so.

These guys are role models for young aspiring players and those youngsters need to be shown that this type of behavior is totally unacceptable and it will end your career in football.

[Pretty Boy]

What's the actual story here? I've not really read anything about it. Did he meet her in a pub/club and was ignorant of her age? Or is it the Craig Thomson scenario when he knew what he was up to and carried on regardless?

Fwiw I'd be terrified to be a younger guy who was single these days. I see girls around my area who I know are between 14 and 17 and they look about 25 when they get dressed up, regularly drink in pubs and are out in clubs and so on. Whilst not excusing the actions of guys who end up in situations like Johnsons it must be a total minefield.

[SlickShoes]

What's the actual story here? I've not really read anything about it. Did he meet her in a pub/club and was ignorant of her age? Or is it the Craig Thomson scenario when he knew what he was up to and carried on regardless?

Fwiw I'd be terrified to be a younger guy who was single these days. I see girls around my area who I know are between 14 and 17 and they look about 25 when they get dressed up, regularly drink in pubs and are out in clubs and so on. Whilst not excusing the actions of guys who end up in situations like Johnsons it must be a total minefield.

He admitted he knew she was 15, he is 28 now possibly was 27 at the time. No excuses, he is the adult in this situation and should never have had any sort of romantic relationship with her under any circumstances.

[Pretty Boy]

He admitted he knew she was 15, he is 28 now possibly was 27 at the time. No excuses, he is the adult in this situation and should never have had any sort of romantic relationship with her under any circumstances.

Absolutely agree, it's his responsibility to be aware of her age and when he is aware to act accordingly.

I was only making the point that it must be difficult for young guys, not that Johnson is that young, to negotiate what can be a tricky path.

[Allant1981]

Makes you wonder what goes through peoples brains, he knew she was only 15 yet still went ahead with it, he must have known it was going to end badly

[Steve-O]

guidelines on sentencing for the grooming offence giving a maximum of two years and six months.

will be interesting to see what he actually gets - as that's for grooming, if he admits to kissing and/or touching her too...surely he is over the maximum and if he gets guilty on the other two...must be a longer sentence again...........mind you its the legal system, could get away with a suspended sentence with some of the judges!

Considering it's a first offence and appears to be very much the lower end of the scale, it seems unlikely a hefty sentence will follow. If he is found guilty on the other charges though, he'll be looking at longer.

Are the other charges for actual sex?

[jacomo]

Absolutely agree, it's his responsibility to be aware of her age and when he is aware to act accordingly.

I was only making the point that it must be difficult for young guys, not that Johnson is that young, to negotiate what can be a tricky path.

The legal system would treat him differently if Johnson were a teenager himself.

The law is imperfect but exists to protect those who are young and vulnerable to exploitation (even though they try and act much older than their years). If he could show that he genuinely believed her to be 19 or 20 or whatever then he may be treated more leniently but doesn't sound like that's the case.

Having said all that, and regardless of his admission of guilt, I still feel slightly uncomfortable that Sunderland have sacked him before the court proceedings have finished.

[Billychaotic182]

Spot the difference

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546894

vs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13901775

That mafia line still cracks me up haha

[lucky]

Apparently he's admitted kissing a 15 year old and grooming. Turned up at court with his girlfriend.

[Steve-O]

The legal system would treat him differently if Johnson were a teenager himself.

The law is imperfect but exists to protect those who are young and vulnerable to exploitation (even though they try and act much older than their years). If he could show that he genuinely believed her to be 19 or 20 or whatever then he may be treated more leniently but doesn't sound like that's the case.

Having said all that, and regardless of his admission of guilt, I still feel slightly uncomfortable that Sunderland have sacked him before the court proceedings have finished.

They've sacked him because he's obviously told him he was pleading not guilty to all charges. He's now changed his story. After sticking by him, they're clearly saving face now.

[Smartie]

Apparently he's admitted kissing a 15 year old and grooming. Turned up at court with his girlfriend.

You really have to admire the mental and emotional courage of such a strong woman to stick by her millionaire footballer boyfriend through such an ordeal.

[robinp]

What's the actual story here? I've not really read anything about it. Did he meet her in a pub/club and was ignorant of her age? Or is it the Craig Thomson scenario when he knew what he was up to and carried on regardless?

Fwiw I'd be terrified to be a younger guy who was single these days. I see girls around my area who I know are between 14 and 17 and they look about 25 when they get dressed up, regularly drink in pubs and are out in clubs and so on. Whilst not excusing the actions of guys who end up in situations like Johnsons it must be a total minefield.

We will find out pretty soon if it's speculation or fact, the consensus online (before the evidence is pulled by mods on reddit/twitter/other forums) it stemmed from a social media interaction on snap chat. I don't want to go into too much detail as I know the whole subject is off limits other than a few sticky threads by the mods on the Sunderland forum due to serious legal concerns as the trial is ongoing.

Given he has pled guilty to the grooming charge and he has pled guilty to the charge of kissing and touching, if the scenario I mention above is true, she's let on about her age at some point and he's carried on regardless. Similarly, if the girl, who has been named online, is who they are saying, and the pictures of her online are accurate, she does not look 15, not that I condone this one bit!!!

The other 2 charges relate to penetration on 2 scales of severity, I presume one by sex and the other not, that will be detailed today in court.

I appreciate this is a family forum, feel free to delete PB if need be or if you have legal concerns.

edit: I've edited my post anyway to be safe.

Live blog is available here:
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/live/event?1834584

Second edit: Looks like my speculative post was correct:
Kate Blackwell QC: "AJ messaged the girl on social media and asked for her mobile number. After he proved he was who he said he was, he gave his personal telephone details to her and suggested that she contact him, so she did."

Read more: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/live/event#ixzz3zxBetEKb

[SlickShoes]

Doesn't matter what age she "looks" in some photos, from court just now:

"One of the messages is from Johnson referring to whether she still went to school, and she confirmed which year she was in."

[jacomo]

They've sacked him because he's obviously told him he was pleading not guilty to all charges. He's now changed his story. After sticking by him, they're clearly saving face now.

That would make sense.

[robinp]

Doesn't matter what age she "looks" in some photos, from court just now:

"One of the messages is from Johnson referring to whether she still went to school, and she confirmed which year she was in."

Looks like everything I posted then removed is playing out in court, pretty grim reading, what a fool!

[Betty Boop]

You really have to admire the mental and emotional courage of such a strong woman to stick by her millionaire footballer boyfriend through such an ordeal.

Couldn't agree more, although I doubt his money has much to do with it.

[Hibs Class]

Absolutely agree, it's his responsibility to be aware of her age and when he is aware to act accordingly.

I was only making the point that it must be difficult for young guys, not that Johnson is that young, to negotiate what can be a tricky path.

I agree, esp. re the bit in bold. Then you read another recent story like this one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35437118

and it really makes you wonder

[Brightside]

a text he sent her on New Years Eve.... "When are you 16" "November" Christ on a bike - id say he's is going away for a good stretch now.

[jacomo]

I agree, esp. re the bit in bold. Then you read another recent story like this one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35437118

and it really makes you wonder

Makes you wonder what?

This guy walked free from court after being found not to break the law. But, in my book, his behaviour was clearly exploitative and, given the ages involved, pretty deplorable.

I have to admit that, based on media reports, I find the verdict difficult to understand.

[macca70]

He wasn't convicted of anything then though, innocent until proven guilty. Hearts employed Thomson for over a year when he was on the sex offenders register.

He didnt need to be convicted, he pled guilty, he must have knew all along he was guilty but decided not to tell Sunderland and milk a few more months wages to tuck away knowing he'd be sacked when he eventually pled guilty.

[Lago]

Makes you wonder what goes through peoples brains, he knew she was only 15 yet still went ahead with it, he must have known it was going to end badly
Standing c***k has no conscious.

[Pretty Boy]

a text he sent her on New Years Eve.... "When are you 16" "November" Christ on a bike - id say he's is going away for a good stretch now.

Jeezo. That's grim.

And having just read some of the Guardians journo who is in courts tweets that's mild. What a ****ing creep.

[Brightside]

Jeezo. That's grim.

He actually did an internet search on Age of Consent...

[essexhibee]

If you want to know the full story suggest for those on twitter look up @JoshHalliday.... a journo with the Guardian tweeting live updates.

Confirms the disgusting nature of the whole situation. Johnson will be going to prison for a number of years.

[Future17]

If you want to know the full story suggest for those on twitter look up @JoshHalliday.... a journo with the Guardian tweeting live updates.

Confirms the disgusting nature of the whole situation. Johnson will be going to prison for a number of years.

That really depends on what is proven in the eyes of the jury. As disgusting as his behaviour undoubtedly is, if he isn't convicted of having some form of sex with the girl in question, I doubt he'd get that length of sentence.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No, he hasn't


Think you need to watch your wording as the above isn't actually true


That's fair enough, you're right. He's admitted to 'sexual activity', whereas I said sex.

[H18 SFR]

Just read and watched reports in the news re today in court. He is going to get hammered, totally hammered.

[SeanWilson]

Just read and watched reports in the news re today in court. He is going to get hammered, totally hammered.

He won't though. I would be very surprised if he's found guilty of the other charges, given he's pled guilty to the lesser charges.

[Hibs Class]

Makes you wonder what?

This guy walked free from court after being found not to break the law. But, in my book, his behaviour was clearly exploitative and, given the ages involved, pretty deplorable.

I have to admit that, based on media reports, I find the verdict difficult to understand.

The quote I replied to was about it being his responsibility to be aware of her age. The link I posted was to a case where a 57 year old man had sex with a 13 year old that he found via a "sugar daddy" website. Leaving morality aside, what it made we wonder was how Doug Richard avoided conviction under those circumstances. I think the US has statutory rape laws where the age of the minor is key, not how old they looked. I don't think Britain does, which may be partly why Richard was acquitted.

[blackpoolhibs]

After the case he wants to sign for Man U, they have had players young blind and keane.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

What a complete idiot .....thrown away his entire career and reputation for a school girl

[jacomo]

The quote I replied to was about it being his responsibility to be aware of her age. The link I posted was to a case where a 57 year old man had sex with a 13 year old that he found via a "sugar daddy" website. Leaving morality aside, what it made we wonder was how Doug Richard avoided conviction under those circumstances. I think the US has statutory rape laws where the age of the minor is key, not how old they looked. I don't think Britain does, which may be partly why Richard was acquitted.

Thanks.

Have to admit, I do not know enough about differences in US and UK law here.

[Sir David Gray]

I've just read the BBC article detailing what he's been accused of doing with the girl. If he's found guilty of this then I would imagine that he'll be locked up for a considerable length of time.

The things he's allegedly said and done are quite shocking.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I've just read the BBC article detailing what he's been accused of doing with the girl. If he's found guilty of this then I would imagine that he'll be locked up for a considerable length of time.

The things he's allegedly said and done are quite shocking.

Just read the boy from the guardians timeline from court today. The statements being made and the evidence such as the Google search for age of consent etc are pretty damning.

Not sure what the sentence is for how far (he says) he took it but at the very least he should be given 5 minutes with the lassies old man.

[3pm]

Just read the boy from the guardians timeline from court today. The statements being made and the evidence such as the Google search for age of consent etc are pretty damning.

Not sure what the sentence is for how far (he says) he took it but at the very least he should be given 5 minutes with the lassies old man.

Think I heard a maximum of 14 years the other day (for the charges he's admitted to).