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BOB MARLEYS DUG
07-02-2016, 03:37 PM
@JamesMcC14: Great comeback from hibs, least they deserved 👏🏻


Nice touch.

Mr Grieves
07-02-2016, 03:54 PM
Pity he's a grade A fud.

Boyle89
07-02-2016, 04:05 PM
Pity he's a grade A fud.

Gone up in my books now ;).

NadeAteMyLunch!
07-02-2016, 04:08 PM
Gone up in my books now ;).

Haha correct. He's a donut but I enjoyed that tweet [emoji106]

adhibs
07-02-2016, 04:09 PM
Top guy

PISTOL1875
07-02-2016, 04:09 PM
Pity he's a grade A fud.

Why is he a grade A fud ??

The Harp Awakes
07-02-2016, 04:13 PM
Why is he a grade A fud ??

Maybe he means because he turned his back on the English National anthem:dunno:

cabbageandribs1875
07-02-2016, 04:14 PM
Maybe he means because he turned his back on the English National anthem:dunno:


no idea who he is, but he's just went up in my estimation

Mr Grieves
07-02-2016, 05:10 PM
Why is he a grade A fud ??

He mixes politics and football, as simple as that.


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Killiehibbie
07-02-2016, 05:24 PM
He mixes politics and football, as simple as that.


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PISTOL1875
07-02-2016, 05:47 PM
He mixes politics and football, as simple as that.


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In what capacity ??

SkintHibby
07-02-2016, 05:52 PM
Top bloke. Nice one.

Mr Grieves
07-02-2016, 05:52 PM
Others were trying impose their will on him and he refused. How does that make him a fud?

What are you talking about?


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Mr Grieves
07-02-2016, 06:10 PM
In what capacity ??

He's never been shy with his political views, whether it's on social media or in a football stadium. The same reason I would label Celtic/Rangers fans that sing sectarian songs as fuds.

So what's you're opinion? All you've done so far is ask questions.




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PISTOL1875
07-02-2016, 06:12 PM
He's never been shy with his political views, whether it's on social media or in a football stadium. The same reason I would label Celtic/Rangers fans that sing sectarian songs as fuds.

So what's you're opinion? All you've done so far is ask questions.




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What are his political views exactly ?? fair question

LustForLeith
07-02-2016, 06:14 PM
What are his political views exactly ?? fair question

I'm sure he refused to wear a top with a poppy on it round about Remembrance time

bigwheel
07-02-2016, 06:15 PM
He's never been shy with his political views, whether it's on social media or in a football stadium. The same reason I would label Celtic/Rangers fans that sing sectarian songs as fuds.

So what's you're opinion? All you've done so far is ask questions.




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What has his political views got to do with sectarianism? You do realise Republicanism has nothing to do with religion don't you??

bingo70
07-02-2016, 06:15 PM
He mixes politics and football, as simple as that.


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I think what gets people is his refusal to wear a poppy. If that's the case then surely it's the people that are asking him to do so that are mixing the two, he just wants to play football not put 'tributes' (for want of a better word) on his strip when that's got nothing to do with football.

I read his open letter and I have to admit to having a bit sympathy for him and I respect him for sticking to his principles, even if I might not agree with him.

PISTOL1875
07-02-2016, 06:16 PM
I'm sure he refused to wear a top with a poppy on it round about Remembrance time


That is his personal opinion.. I don't understand why it would make him a fud though...

adhibs
07-02-2016, 06:17 PM
I'm sure he refused to wear a top with a poppy on it round about Remembrance time

The majority of people here dont either...

Malongoals
07-02-2016, 06:21 PM
Takes a brave person to stick to your beliefs in the face of constant media hounding. He's explained his reasoning for not wearing one (i.e. members of the community in Derry being murdered by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday) and as far as I'm concerned that should be that

Leith Mo
07-02-2016, 06:24 PM
Born and bred in Derry (or Londonderry as also called) & had friends and family murdered on Bloody Sunday so refuses to acknowledge British Army recognition and believes his island of birth is a true one island nation as many do. Refuses to acknowledge what he sees as a foreign anthem as his own as a result. Never hidden it so don't really see why people get on his case for it (cue comments re "he works in England so pays his taxes to the Crown etc"). At least he knows the best team in Edinburgh

Sir David Gray
07-02-2016, 06:42 PM
No time for him at all but happy to accept praise from the wider football community.

Good to see.

oconnors_strip
07-02-2016, 07:02 PM
People only remember the negative press. James has paid for a bike for a severely disabled girl and donated money to other well worth causes :agree:

Are hibs fans who don't wear poppies for other reasons fuds aswell? :confused:

Smartie
07-02-2016, 07:04 PM
I'm amazed he's on twitter.

I can only imagine some of the abuse he must get.

He'll no doubt get a bit from Jambos tonight but it will be nowt compared to what he's used to, I'm sure.



Funny how this will probably end up being quite a big thread. Pro footballer watches game of football and comments on the outcome as he sees it. Hardly a shocker.

Mr Grieves
07-02-2016, 07:07 PM
I think what gets people is his refusal to wear a poppy. If that's the case then surely it's the people that are asking him to do so that are mixing the two, he just wants to play football not put 'tributes' (for want of a better word) on his strip when that's got nothing to do with football.

I read his open letter and I have to admit to having a bit sympathy for him and I respect him for sticking to his principles, even if I might not agree with him.

I don't wear a poppy myself, never have done and I haven't mentioned it in this thread as I believe it is a personal choice.

Unfortunately, I feel he created a lot of unnecessary tension and controversy with his actions over the England flag at the WBA friendly in America, and comments on Twitter about Derry/Londonderry.


What has his political views got to do with sectarianism? You do realise Republicanism has nothing to do with religion don't you??

Yes, I do realise the difference but I also see the link. Is "Sectarian and political songs" better?


What are his political views exactly ?? fair question

Another question, Pedro. You've steamed into this thread asking numerous questions, you must have an opinion?


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Mr Grieves
07-02-2016, 07:13 PM
People only remember the negative press. James has paid for a bike for a severely disabled girl and donated money to other well worth causes :agree:

Are hibs fans who don't wear poppies for other reasons fuds aswell? :confused:

Want to point out where someone was called a fud for not wearing a poppy? You've made that up.

Anyway, I'm out. I'm sure people are bored of reading what I think.


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PISTOL1875
07-02-2016, 07:20 PM
I don't wear a poppy myself, never have done and I haven't mentioned it in this thread as I believe it is a personal choice.

Unfortunately, I feel he created a lot of unnecessary tension and controversy with his actions over the England flag at the WBA friendly in America, and comments on Twitter about Derry/Londonderry.



Yes, I do realise the difference but I also see the link. Is "Sectarian and political songs" better?



Another question, Pedro. You've steamed into this thread asking numerous questions, you must have an opinion?


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Yeh I do.. I think you're rather harsh to be calling him a fud for standing up for what he believe's in.. I don't wear a poppy and don't like the english national anthem..

bigwheel
07-02-2016, 07:22 PM
I don't wear a poppy myself, never have done and I haven't mentioned it in this thread as I believe it is a personal choice.

Unfortunately, I feel he created a lot of unnecessary tension and controversy with his actions over the England flag at the WBA friendly in America, and comments on Twitter about Derry/Londonderry.



Yes, I do realise the difference but I also see the link. Is "Sectarian and political songs" better?



Another question, Pedro. You've steamed into this thread asking numerous questions, you must have an opinion?


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Ok then, so having political opinion is a reason for calling the guy a fud then? Since you've sited no other reason.....

Dashing Bob S
07-02-2016, 07:29 PM
He mixes politics and football, as simple as that.


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That's never been done before. Like by every broadcaster.

SanFranHibs
07-02-2016, 07:53 PM
I don't wear a poppy myself, never have done and I haven't mentioned it in this thread as I believe it is a personal choice.

Unfortunately, I feel he created a lot of unnecessary tension and controversy with his actions over the England flag at the WBA friendly in America, and comments on Twitter about Derry/Londonderry.



Yes, I do realise the difference but I also see the link. Is "Sectarian and political songs" better?



Another question, Pedro. You've steamed into this thread asking numerous questions, you must have an opinion?


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I have never worn a poppy. Indeed my father never wore a poppy and he volunteered in 39, seen action in Africa and Italy and after 'demob' went back in until 48.

If I thought I had a point to make I would think it sensible to make it in front of a large audience. Pointless doing it in my kitchen.

Sports cannot be separated from politics as if the world outside did not exist. Politics is in art, music, television....everywhere

I think the point in a case such as this, is that people who decide to take a stand must accept there may be consequences. However, if the worst sling and arrow of outrageous fortune to befall him is being called a Grade A fud because he said Hibs deserved at least a draw then I think he will be ok.

And he might be pleased at least making Grade A. Who wants to be a Grade B-F fud?

Berwickhibby
07-02-2016, 08:15 PM
Why is he a grade A fud ??

Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

sleeping giant
07-02-2016, 08:25 PM
Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

Not wearing a poppy is not a sign of disrespect.

gorgie_harp
07-02-2016, 08:28 PM
Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

Pish!!

Dashing Bob S
07-02-2016, 08:30 PM
Wearing a poppy might be seen by some to be showing respect for the war dead. To me it's an unforgivable lapse in sartorial style.

CB_NO3
07-02-2016, 08:35 PM
I respect McClean.

Cocaine&Caviar
07-02-2016, 08:44 PM
Grade A Fud.

Berwickhibby
07-02-2016, 08:51 PM
Pish!!

Pish to you .... I have my opinion you have yours ....

SkintHibby
07-02-2016, 08:52 PM
Not wearing a poppy is not a sign of disrespect.

Well said that man!

.Sean.
07-02-2016, 09:01 PM
Nice words mate :aok:

Shame you're a xenophobic, ignorant piece of ****.

In Flanders Field the poppies blow

Glorious St Pat
07-02-2016, 09:10 PM
Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

Rubbish - I too refuse to wear a poppy out of poppy media fascism

Glorious St Pat
07-02-2016, 09:12 PM
Grade A Fud.

Why ? He just applauded the Hibs! Because eh 'a an Irish national refusing to bow down to Establishment pish ?!

_hucks_
07-02-2016, 09:25 PM
Nice words mate :aok:

Shame you're a xenophobic, ignorant piece of ****.

In Flanders Field the poppies blow

British army killed 14 civilians in Derry where he's from. The poppy had connotations of that as much as any other conflict; you can't pick and choose.

ZAGREB RED
07-02-2016, 09:51 PM
British army killed 14 civilians in Derry where he's from. The poppy had connotations of that as much as any other conflict; you can't pick and choose. One of my grandfathers was killed in the Battle of Monte Casino in Italy in WWII, the other one spent time in German and Italian POW camps, so I respect anyone's choice to wear a poppy, but McClean is from London/Derry and has relatives or is it friends who were killed on Bloody Sunday so i respect his right not to wear one, although I do think he should make less of a fuss about it, and just do it quietly and respectfully.

marinello59
07-02-2016, 10:12 PM
Wearing a poppy might be seen by some to be showing respect for the war dead. To me it's an unforgivable lapse in sartorial style.

WTF? Who stole your poppy?
Wait..............

Andy74
07-02-2016, 10:14 PM
One of my grandfathers was killed in the Battle of Monte Casino in Italy in WWII, the other one spent time in German and Italian POW camps, so I respect anyone's choice to wear a poppy, but McClean is from London/Derry and has relatives or is it friends who were killed on Bloody Sunday so i respect his right not to wear one, although I do think he should make less of a fuss about it, and just do it quietly and respectfully.
I don't think it's him that makes the fuss. I think he just wants to get on with doing what he would choose to do.

Hibby Bairn
07-02-2016, 10:18 PM
How is this thread still on the main board?

Time for a transfer..

Forthview
07-02-2016, 10:20 PM
British army killed 14 civilians in Derry where he's from. The poppy had connotations of that as much as any other conflict; you can't pick and choose.

The British Army murdered 14 unarmed civilians in Derry and it was covered up by the UK Armed Forces and UK Government, why should that be celebrated?

wookie70
07-02-2016, 10:20 PM
Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

And forcing someone to wear a Poppy is respectful. He has strong views and like poppy wearers he is entitled to those views. I choose not to for many reasons none of them are not respecting those who fell. One being that Lord Haig is one of the reasons why so many fell. Another is the way Poppy Day is being used politically to almost make war heroic and acceptable. I will respect anyone's stand not to wear one or to wear one..

doddsy
07-02-2016, 10:40 PM
And forcing someone to wear a Poppy is respectful. He has strong views and like poppy wearers he is entitled to those views. I choose not to for many reasons none of them are not respecting those who fell. One being that Lord Haig is one of the reasons why so many fell. Another is the way Poppy Day is being used politically to almost make war heroic and acceptable. I will respect anyone's stand not to wear one or to wear one..

My Dad took the Queens Shillling as a Royal Scot. He fought for Queen and Country. He followed the Hibs everywhere. He loved the Hibs. Like me he believed in Free Speech and the right not to be forced into doing anything against one's will.

Well done James McClean. You stand up for what you believe is right or wrong son in the face of adversity and had good reason to by the sounds of it. The corrupted at the top want as many sheep as is possible. It keeps them in power.

HibbiesandtheBaddies
07-02-2016, 11:02 PM
How is this thread still on the main board?

Time for a transfer..

:agree: Get this thread punted. Tiresome in the extreme.

Dunbar Hibee
08-02-2016, 09:46 AM
Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

What a lot of *****

cocopops1875
08-02-2016, 10:05 AM
:agree: Get this thread punted. Tiresome in the extreme.

Just don't read it

Yorkshire HFC
08-02-2016, 10:10 AM
:agree: Get this thread punted. Tiresome in the extreme.

Agree

Berwickhibby
12-02-2016, 03:13 PM
What a lot of *****

Your opinion is a load of *****..... You are happy to support McLean with his opinion but if anybody disagrees out comes the profanities


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MB62
12-02-2016, 03:25 PM
Just don't read it

Hibs.net Main Forum - for fans to talk about HIBS and FOOTBALL in General - as it says on the tin on the forum page.


PUNT this to a different forum.

monktonharp
12-02-2016, 03:56 PM
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How is this thread still on the main board?

Time for a transfer..:shhhsh!: sweep it under the carpet,. which part of it annoys you? Bloody Sunday or Flanders Fields?

monktonharp
12-02-2016, 04:04 PM
And forcing someone to wear a Poppy is respectful. He has strong views and like poppy wearers he is entitled to those views. I choose not to for many reasons none of them are not respecting those who fell. One being that Lord Haig is one of the reasons why so many fell. Another is the way Poppy Day is being used politically to almost make war heroic and acceptable. I will respect anyone's stand not to wear one or to wear one..:agree:Lord Haig is one of the main reasons we loswt Millions of young men. if we loose 10,000 today, Gerry will lose 20,000 or words to that effect, and the've called the poppy fund after his wife!!

monktonharp
12-02-2016, 04:08 PM
Hibs.net Main Forum - for fans to talk about HIBS and FOOTBALL in General - as it says on the tin on the forum page.


PUNT this to a different forum.It was McCLEAN that praised Hibs, thus opening the thread innadvertantly:wink: better to keep your powder dry though, what with the Easter Rising soon upon us:wink:

mjhibby
12-02-2016, 08:04 PM
My Dad took the Queens Shillling as a Royal Scot. He fought for Queen and Country. He followed the Hibs everywhere. He loved the Hibs. Like me he believed in Free Speech and the right not to be forced into doing anything against one's will.

Well done James McClean. You stand up for what you believe is right or wrong son in the face of adversity and had good reason to by the sounds of it. The corrupted at the top want as many sheep as is possible. It keeps them in power.

It is a very emotive subject he is entering into and is indeed either foolhardy or tough as nails to be on social media where I'm sure he gets all sorts of horrible abuse. My dad fought and lost many comrades in North Africa but he never moaned if someone didn't wear a poppy. Respecting those who fought and gave us our freedom should be done by ensuring we have free speech even if we don't agree with it. He does come across as someone who doesn't seem to not realise the storm he causes but surely even in this pic obsessed world of ours he is entitled to his opinion. I'm sure loads of people intensely dislike the national anthem especially the part of crushing the rebellious scots and he obviously feels strongly about his views. He's a brave man to stick to his guns so to speak.

ronaldo7
12-02-2016, 08:27 PM
I can't understand why the laddie gets it tight.

Can anyone on this thread who promotes the wearing of the poppy, please explain why not wearing one is so wrong?

green&left
12-02-2016, 08:29 PM
I can't understand why the laddie gets it tight.

Can anyone on this thread who promotes the wearing of the poppy, please explain why not wearing one is so wrong?

Cos the sun/other rags now say so.

A lot of respect for McLean for his decision. Fair play to them.

hibby6270
12-02-2016, 08:39 PM
I'm sure he refused to wear a top with a poppy on it round about Remembrance time

I don't wear a poppy.
I don't wear a Marie Curie daffodil.
I don't wear a sparkly man for prostate cancer awareness.
I don't wear a red ribbon on world AIDS day.

Does that make me a fud 4 times over?

I don't think so. All personal choice. No one else's business.

The_Sauz
12-02-2016, 09:04 PM
No sports person (especially pros) should be wearing any symbolic reference to wars or racial/ political views on a shirt/jumper while playing in public :agree:

Scouse Hibee
12-02-2016, 09:07 PM
No sports person (especially pros) should be wearing any symbolic reference to wars or racial/ political views on a shirt/jumper while playing in public :agree:

Disagree,they have as much right as anyone else to display a symbolic reference at their work as long as their employers allow it.

The_Sauz
12-02-2016, 09:07 PM
I don't wear a poppy.
I don't wear a Marie Curie daffodil.
I don't wear a sparkly man for prostate cancer awareness.
I don't wear a red ribbon on world AIDS day.

Does that make me a fud 4 times over?


Not if you sell pegs for the cause :greengrin

The_Sauz
12-02-2016, 09:15 PM
Disagree,they have as much right as anyone else to display a symbolic reference at their work as long as their employers allow it.
So does that mean that James McClean has the same rights not to wear one?
Also clubs in the UK don't allow it, the enforce it!! It's just a PR stint for the media and sales :agree:
I can't remember clubs in Scotland wearing poppy's on their shirts in 60's/70's/80's/90's and the early 2000. so why are they doing it now?

Scouse Hibee
12-02-2016, 09:35 PM
So does that mean that James McClean has the same rights not to wear one?
Also clubs in the UK don't allow it, the enforce it!! It's just a PR stint for the media and sales :agree:
I can't remember clubs in Scotland wearing poppy's on their shirts in 60's/70's/80's/90's and the early 2000. so why are they doing it now?

Of course he has the same right not to wear one. I can't remember players wearing fancy coloured boots in those eras either. Times change as do fashions,fads and crazes and as you say it is all to do with sales. I believe every player has the same choice,if they don't want to wear a poppy they don't have to. I hate all this media enforced outrage in such circumstances.

gorgie_harp
12-02-2016, 10:14 PM
Pish to you .... I have my opinion you have yours ....

Pish again!! Not that it matters, served 2 years in the north of Ireland.
And if you don't wear a poppy so what.✌🏻️
Life's to short!

cocopops1875
12-02-2016, 10:23 PM
Hibs.net Main Forum - for fans to talk about HIBS and FOOTBALL in General - as it says on the tin on the forum page.


PUNT this to a different forum.

Now you are just being silly, James (a pro footballer) has tweeted something nice about Hibs (the football team this forum is here for fans to talk about) I'm 100% certain both boxes have been ticked on your checklist

truehibernian
12-02-2016, 10:25 PM
I sit on the fence with this one. I absolutely appreciate McLean's right here - wearing a poppy is seen as a reflective admiration of those that died in the two world wars and has indeed been enhanced as a campaign by other wars since. I'd argue vehemently about the recent wars in the Middle East being both legal and morally correct. However I chose to always wear a poppy after spending two Remembrance Days in a row with veterans and families at the Rodney Street British Legion many years ago - it's the only time I've found myself both transfixed and emotional hearing old men telling their war stories as if it was just 'the normal thing to do' - they almost understated their heroism and just saw it as their moral obligation - one story brought me to tears - and made me realise what a cotton wool wrapped generation we are and our kids are because of their efforts and sacrifices decades ago.

I'll always buy a poppy - won't ever demean anyone for not doing so - but sometimes you have to spend time with people who have sacrificed a lot for our huge benefit and liberty - a poppy is the very least I can do to acknowledge that.

Thecat23
12-02-2016, 10:29 PM
Sadly poppies seem to have become the in thing these days with many wearing them just for the sake of wearing it.

I've no issue with anyone choosing to wear one or not! Loads pay their respects in different ways and the media make so much out these things its cringeworthy.

The more who stop doing what the papers say the better society will be.

HibsNutter
12-02-2016, 10:52 PM
Buying and wearing a poppy is an act of charity for me, I wear one. But you can't force charity on someone. Doing so takes removes the human kindness aspect of it. Like previously mentioned, poppies have become a tool used to hunt down those who won't wear them, which distracts from the whole point of wearing a poppy. It's sad.

The Baldmans Comb
12-02-2016, 11:55 PM
That was very good of James Mclean to be so impressed by Hibs comeback and to take the trouble to tweet about it.:agree:

I had never heard of him until last years so called "controversy" about poppies and the English and British National anthem but was immediately struck by what a brave and principled man he obviously is as he patiently and intelligently explained in great detail the fundamentals behind his beliefs.:agree:

Its very rare to come across this in any walk of life least of all footballers and he is a credit to himself and his community.:agree: