The Rangers Tiny Minority At It Again Last Night [Archive]

Scottie

03-02-2016, 07:48 AM

Not sure if link will work but apparently Andy Haliday hates the Pope and the IRA, as sung by the entire away support at Raith last night.

https://www.facebook.com/awaydayfootball/videos/1026607357385430/
Suck it up and enjoy it as its part of your Scottish heritage and traditions that's not going away anytime soon.

The people in charge at the SFA and The Scottish Parliament will be clapping and stamping their feet along with this catchy wee number. :agree:

Bill Milne

03-02-2016, 08:16 AM

Amazing how a "tiny minority" manage to appropriate all the tickets for every game that the The Huns play.

Auckland Hibs

03-02-2016, 08:23 AM

Amazing how a "tiny minority" manage to appropriate all the tickets for every game that the The Huns play.

They have friends in very low places - The dark side at Castle Greyskull will never change.

Colr

03-02-2016, 08:31 AM

Just when are the police and the SFA, finally going to take some kind of action against these horrible people ?

Never on their own account.

Complaints (and lots of them) need to go to UEFA. If they get fed up with being pestered, they will tell SFA to do more than SFA about it.

SonOfDavidFrancey

03-02-2016, 08:31 AM

Je suis le pope.

davemcbain

03-02-2016, 08:39 AM

Just when are the police and the SFA, finally going to take some kind of action against these horrible people ?

Short answer is never! Orange Lodge 999 (Emergency services division) yesterday decided there would be no further action taken against bears fightback after some threats against the journalists wife and children. Just like there was no action when Hibs players were pelted with missiles in last years play off ("only bits paper" - except the coins and lighters). You seriously think they will act on singing, when they routinely ignore incidents like that?

They exist to uphold the institution, not the law.

ChicoM1875

03-02-2016, 08:43 AM

They have friends in very low places - The dark side at Castle Greyskull will never change.

He-man (the goodie) lived in Castle Greyskull. Skeletor (the baddie) lived in Snake Mountain. I know Castle Greyskull has a villainous name, but maybe Snake Mountain is more appropriate (winky face).

southsider

03-02-2016, 09:29 AM

JeMeSouviens

03-02-2016, 09:34 AM

Je suis le pope.

Tu es le Pape (rhymes with crap rather than grape).

</pedantic get>

Glesgahibby

03-02-2016, 09:36 AM

Ok Then, can we as a Football Club afford £100,000 (3,500 x £28) to fight sectarianism ? Or can we buy all the seats for the away end ? "Dear Glasgow Rangers due to the vile and prolonged sectarian abuse directed at our manager at your home fixture against Hibernian you will receive NO tickets for the forthcoming fixture. This will remain our policy until your fans learn to behave. Yours, Hibernian F. C."
:agree: This sends a message to the Hibernian family/comunity that the club will do its upmost to make sure that you can take your kids to Easter rd safe in the knowledge they don't hear any sectarian bile!

BH Hibs

03-02-2016, 10:11 AM

Michael O'Halloran must be so glad to have joined The rangers. Wonder what catchy little ditty they'll come up with to welcome him?!?

He used to be ok but now he's a Hun?

Leithwalk

03-02-2016, 10:25 AM

There's a good story about Rangers and their use of the media in days gone by here http://www.scottishreview.net/KennethRoy38a.html

The knee was bowed, but the hack was not sacked

Colr

03-02-2016, 10:36 AM

:agree: This sends a message to the Hibernian family/comunity that the club will do its upmost to make sure that you can take your kids to Easter rd safe in the knowledge they don't hear any sectarian bile!

I would NEVER take my kid to a match with Rangers.

Super_JMcGinn

03-02-2016, 10:46 AM

There's a good story about Rangers and their use of the media in days gone by here http://www.scottishreview.net/KennethRoy38a.html

The knee was bowed, but the hack was not sacked
An interesting but not entirely surprising read, Findlay is a vile individual.

Super_JMcGinn

03-02-2016, 10:47 AM

I would NEVER take my kid to a match with Rangers.
What about the other half of the bigot bros?

Jim44

03-02-2016, 11:05 AM

What about the other half of the bigot bros?

They are as bad but Sevco fans are our immediate concern as we are forced to rub shoulders with them in the Championship. If the powers that be do their job properly, the other ugly sister bigots will be caught in the same rat trap and dealt with.

Andy74

03-02-2016, 11:13 AM

Not sure if link will work but apparently Andy Haliday hates the Pope and the IRA, as sung by the entire away support at Raith last night.

https://www.facebook.com/awaydayfootball/videos/1026607357385430/

Whilst I'm against sectarianism this might just be a statement of fact?

Nothing to do with football of course but there is a difficulty in these things.

I don't like the queen or any terrorist organistation. Not sure you could say my beliefs there are sectarian.

Sammy7nil

03-02-2016, 11:16 AM

Whilst I'm against sectarianism this might just be a statement of fact?

Nothing to do with football of course but there is a difficulty in these things.

I don't like the queen or any terrorist organistation. Not sure you could say my beliefs there are sectarian.

The Queen is the head of the church of England

Andy74

03-02-2016, 11:20 AM

The Queen is the head of the church of England

Can't argue with that fact but what has that got to do with anything I've said?

Beefster

03-02-2016, 11:21 AM

The Queen is the head of the church of England

That's only relevant if it's Andy's reason for disliking her.

.Sean.

03-02-2016, 11:33 AM

Waste of time, the *****bags at Pigs Scotland and the SFA are dumb, deaf and blind when it comes to the Old Firm as we all know full well. Nothing will ever change.

marinello59

03-02-2016, 11:43 AM

Ok Then, can we as a Football Club afford £100,000 (3,500 x £28) to fight sectarianism ? Or can we buy all the seats for the away end ? "Dear Glasgow Rangers due to the vile and prolonged sectarian abuse directed at our manager at your home fixture against Hibernian you will receive NO tickets for the forthcoming fixture. This will remain our policy until your fans learn to behave. Yours, Hibernian F. C."

One club acting on its own will make no difference. Unless every other club did the same then all it would do is weaken our club financially. Rangers wouldn't suffer, we would.
There is no easy short term solution. We need to be reaching out to the many decent Sevco fans out there to make their voices heard. Continually saying that every single Sevco fan is a bigot will only increase the siege mentality and denial that they really have a problem.

hibsbollah

03-02-2016, 11:45 AM

That's only relevant if it's Andy's reason for disliking her.

...hence the difficulty in making legislation that would stick in the event of trying to get a conviction.

"My client was merely surmising that Mr Halliday disliked the Pope, m'lud. My client believes that Mr Halliday objects to the pontiffs policy on birth control in the third world. There is no proof that religion or sectarianism played any part in the events".

That's before you get started on whether freedom of expression is an absolute. Or the Charlie Hebdo defence that the freedom to offend is a basic human right.

Hibernia&Alba

03-02-2016, 12:08 PM

Everything with them has to be about religion and Ireland. Diseased, obsessive minds. Do they sing any football songs at the football in Scotland? Lunatics; truly Scotland's shame.

Greencore

03-02-2016, 12:21 PM

Everything with them has to be about religion and Ireland. Diseased, obsessive minds. Do they sing any football songs at the football in Scotland? Lunatics; truly Scotland's shame.

Same with celtc.

Hibernia&Alba

03-02-2016, 12:30 PM

Same with celtc.

That's certainly true, though, IMO, Rangers are the worst culprits of all when it comes to hatred and prejudice. It's relentless bile and ignorance with them.

silverhibee

03-02-2016, 12:34 PM

Never on their own account.

Complaints (and lots of them) need to go to UEFA. If they get fed up with being pestered, they will tell SFA to do more than SFA about it.

Can't even find a email address for UEFA on there website to make a complaint.

silverhibee

03-02-2016, 12:46 PM

Pete

03-02-2016, 04:19 PM

Nobody cares any more. Smoke bombs are the real problem in Scotland judging by the dozens of police officers looking after a few Motherwell fans last night and the 5 months given to someone who let one off.

The cynic in me would suggest that there are diversion tactics at work here but maybe I'm underestimating the social impact of smoke bombs.

Bishop Hibee

03-02-2016, 04:24 PM

Scotland's shame. When they sing about hating the Pope, they mean all Roman Catholics and that is bigotry pure and simple.

Lancs Harp

03-02-2016, 04:26 PM

Can't even find a email address for UEFA on there website to make a complaint.

Don't forget to include your bank details/ credit card number/Paypal details if you want your complaint to be considered.

Andy74

03-02-2016, 04:27 PM

Do you sing about it going to a football game or during it or after it, I would doubt it very much :greengrin

Not these days no, but I was just illustrating the point that it might not be ideal at the football but it is very tricky to do anything about it. Unless you are directly singing about a particular group of people or a religion then its very difficult to prove what your intent is.

Greencore

03-02-2016, 04:34 PM

Just love how if you replaced the word pope with Muslims, Islam or prophet Muhammad then something definitely would be done

Mikey09

03-02-2016, 04:43 PM

Just love how if you replaced the word pope with Muslims, Islam or prophet Muhammad then something definitely would be done

You bet yer arse something would be done! If you try and highlight these songs from that horrible lot it's the same old answers...
1.. It's only a minority.
2... Are they illegal or JUST offensive?!
3... You're looking to be offended.
4... They're just songs.
5... This will never go away. (neither will Cancer but we work hard to find a cure)

Said before the authorities in this country aren't interested so the matter has to be taken to UEFA.

Andy74

03-02-2016, 04:50 PM

Just love how if you replaced the word pope with Muslims, Islam or prophet Muhammad then something definitely would be done

Actually, if you changed it to hating ISIS I'd imagine nothing would be done. Is there an equivalent to the Pope? If so can't see an indivudual being hated being much of an issue either.

Bishop Hibee

03-02-2016, 05:14 PM

Actually, if you changed it to hating ISIS I'd imagine nothing would be done. Is there an equivalent to the Pope? If so can't see an indivudual being hated being much of an issue either.

Rangers fans don't mean Pope Francis as an individual though do they.

Andy74

03-02-2016, 08:05 PM

Rangers fans don't mean Pope Francis as an individual though do they.

I get that. Your issue is proving it.

Bishop Hibee

03-02-2016, 08:38 PM

I get that. Your issue is proving it.

In a court of law it's difficult. Not the same burden of guilt required for the SFA or SPFL to do something about it. They have the spine of a jellyfish though. Clubs who make up the membership of these bodies are complicit in their silence over this. I hope our club speaks out if the 'party songs' are sung at ER.

Big L

03-02-2016, 08:47 PM

Can't even find a email address for UEFA on there website to make a complaint.

Thats a good idea, we should inundate them, maybe get points deducted as a punishment!!

Big L

03-02-2016, 08:51 PM

Just love how if you replaced the word pope with Muslims, Islam or prophet Muhammad then something definitely would be done
Totally agree with that, if their bile was directed at the Muslim faith the huns would be up to their knees in blood, but it would be their own!!

Auckland Hibs

03-02-2016, 09:29 PM

Sylar

03-02-2016, 09:39 PM

Not sure if link will work but apparently Andy Haliday hates the Pope and the IRA, as sung by the entire away support at Raith last night.

https://www.facebook.com/awaydayfootball/videos/1026607357385430/

In fairness, I hate the IRA (and all other terror organisations) and have little time for the Pope (or indeed any organised religion and those who espouse it unto the world) too.

Quite what relevance those personal views have in a 21st century football match against Raith Rovers though is utterly, utterly beyond me...

Jim44

03-02-2016, 10:52 PM

The Sevco bigots have it easy chanting about hating the effing Pope, while their East end counterparts have to cope with hating the effing Moderator of the General assembly.

Big L

04-02-2016, 05:28 PM

Lazio have just been fined £38000 and 3 parts of their ground have been closed for the next 2 games for racist chanting. If Sevco were told that their would be 5 points deducted every time sectarian songs/chanting is heard from their support you wouldn't hear it again, for sure!!

Bishop Hibee

04-02-2016, 06:02 PM

The Sevco bigots have it easy chanting about hating the effing Pope, while their East end counterparts have to cope with hating the effing Moderator of the General assembly.

It's been a while since there was concerted anti-Protestant chanting at Darkheid. The current state of affairs is fans of the Rangers are far more overt in expressing their sectarian views. They don't get punished so I suppose they think 'why not?'

monktonharp

04-02-2016, 06:27 PM

In fairness, I hate the IRA (and all other terror organisations) and have little time for the Pope (or indeed any organised religion and those who espouse it unto the world) too.

Quite what relevance those personal views have in a 21st century football match against Raith Rovers though is utterly, utterly beyond me...can you explain what you mean with your small footnote, serially?

monktonharp

04-02-2016, 06:31 PM

It's been a while since there was concerted anti-Protestant chanting at Darkheid. The current state of affairs is fans of the Rangers are far more overt in expressing their sectarian views. They don't get punished so I suppose they think 'why not?'
:agree: although the other side do get away with a few of their dittys ate away grounds.

Stuarty27

04-02-2016, 06:39 PM

The only way they will stop it is by deducting points.

Sylar

04-02-2016, 08:11 PM

can you explain what you mean with your small footnote, serially?

Eh?!

Thecat23

04-02-2016, 08:18 PM

He-man (the goodie) lived in Castle Greyskull. Skeletor (the baddie) lived in Snake Mountain. I know Castle Greyskull has a villainous name, but maybe Snake Mountain is more appropriate (winky face).

I used to find this weird as well. But I'm sure someone said its because they see Ibrox as a fortress and that's where Castle Greyskull came about.

Unless someone else knows more I'm sure that's what they said to me.

AlbertK86

04-02-2016, 08:26 PM

blackpoolhibs

04-02-2016, 08:33 PM

Sylar

04-02-2016, 08:45 PM

Game in Italy last night

Racist chants by fans

Today 38k fine and 3 sides of ground closed for next two home games

Shows how easy it is to act quickly

So how many weeks since Rangers fans bigoted chants against Hins

No resolution from Scottish football authorities !! Corrupt, scared or just inept

The get-out is infuriating here in Scotland too, with the inclusions of language such as "if the club has demonstrated they've done all they can do"...it's total bollocks and if the club's "best" is not good enough, the authorities need to step up and punish them accordingly.

It would be like someone going out, drinking 10 pints, getting behind the wheel of a car and mowing down 10 people, claiming they did everything they possibly do to not drink drive by painting their keys purple and parking 4 blocks from the pub rather than outside!

Scott Allan Key

04-02-2016, 09:27 PM

Just love how if you replaced the word pope with Muslims, Islam or prophet Muhammad then something definitely would be done

Groups like EDL have taken their base for support from ignorant and reactionary elements of large swathes of football supporters. What was done, even in England, when Newcastle United supporters continually chanted at Mido, an Egyptian player that he had a 'bomb'? Nothing. And if English FA don't do anything about it you're damn sure the Scottish authorities won't.

It is gratifying to see how the ignorant and offensive chanting of the majority of Rangers supporters offends some people and people want it stamped out but how many of same people will defend the right to make hateful and offensive speech about Islam or Judaism and then side with those proud of the freedom to offend based on blind ignorance and prejudice? One can't have it both ways. And the right to offend is exactly why the Glasgow teams do it. It isn't really about religion as Jesus couldn't be equated with either sects' behaviour.

They are both, in their worst elements, a mob of trolls. And we have that element in our own support. 'We do what we want...' Really? No, no you don't. They're being led on. People have been playing too much GTA. ISIS - gangbangers. IRA- gangbangers, UDA, etc- gangbangers. Any pretence of noble intentions like a 'socialist Ireland' go out the window when innocents are killed. Blood is red. Most Rangers supporters one on one with a person, unknown to them to be Catholic, and unseen by their peers would be decent and respectful. It is charismatic, pathological elements who end up dictators and having witnessed some of the worst sections of our own support singing the 'Edinburgh song', one has to ask why some males are inclined to the leadership of morons, irrespective of which team they support?

Scott Allan Key

04-02-2016, 09:36 PM

Totally agree with that, if their bile was directed at the Muslim faith the huns would be up to their knees in blood, but it would be their own!!

No, they wouldn't, as in reality, Muslims are very patient and forbearing at challenging the ignorant beliefs and actions of those who falsely espouse their religion and those who rail against what they wrongly believe to be true. The truth will out. I personally don't feel the need to react; sticks and stones.

majorhibs

04-02-2016, 10:12 PM

No, they wouldn't, as in reality, Muslims are very patient and forbearing at challenging the ignorant beliefs and actions of those who falsely espouse their religion and those who rail against what they wrongly believe to be true. The truth will out. I personally don't feel the need to react; sticks and stones.

In reality people should'nt be generalising, & going on about what is "gratifying" like that's the way it's gotta be. Nor trying to baffle with science.

hibsbollah

04-02-2016, 10:22 PM

Groups like EDL have taken their base for support from ignorant and reactionary elements of large swathes of football supporters. What was done, even in England, when Newcastle United supporters continually chanted at Mido, an Egyptian player that he had a 'bomb'? Nothing. And if English FA don't do anything about it you're damn sure the Scottish authorities won't.

It is gratifying to see how the ignorant and offensive chanting of the majority of Rangers supporters offends some people and people want it stamped out but how many of same people will defend the right to make hateful and offensive speech about Islam or Judaism and then side with those proud of the freedom to offend based on blind ignorance and prejudice? One can't have it both ways. And the right to offend is exactly why the Glasgow teams do it. It isn't really about religion as Jesus couldn't be equated with either sects' behaviour.

They are both, in their worst elements, a mob of trolls. And we have that element in our own support. 'We do what we want...' Really? No, no you don't. They're being led on. People have been playing too much GTA. ISIS - gangbangers. IRA- gangbangers, UDA, etc- gangbangers. Any pretence of noble intentions like a 'socialist Ireland' go out the window when innocents are killed. Blood is red. Most Rangers supporters one on one with a person, unknown to them to be Catholic, and unseen by their peers would be decent and respectful. It is charismatic, pathological elements who end up dictators and having witnessed some of the worst sections of our own support singing the 'Edinburgh song', one has to ask why some males are inclined to the leadership of morons, irrespective of which team they support?

Very good post.

truehibernian

04-02-2016, 10:53 PM

Very good post.

Not really - watch Family Guy, Curb Your Enthusiasm, even tonight's Question Time.......people's 'offensive barometer' is different the world over.

Football is a very easy stage for many to use as a focal point for a religious argument in Scotland - however watch any channel on television at any time of the day you'll be more exposed to more racism, bigotry and malice.

The niche argument here bollah is that us Scots are pioneering and utterly ignorant in equal measure - there's no middle ground. But there's no courage either.

The fickleness of fate is such that we (Scotland) could use a silly wee game where people kick a round object around a field to actually make a huge difference to a societal problem (sectarianism) - as pioneers in many things we've been utterly stupid and ignorant to realise this - however, money and 'power' talks...........just saying.......

Bill Milne

05-02-2016, 08:23 AM

Can't argue with that fact but what has that got to do with anything I've said?

Lizzie is the head of the establishment church in England. In Scotland, therefore, she is head of the Church of Scotland.

JeMeSouviens

05-02-2016, 08:45 AM

Lizzie is the head of the establishment church in England. In Scotland, therefore, she is head of the Church of Scotland.

No, she's not. The Church of Scotland has no head (other than Jesus).

Scott Allan Key

05-02-2016, 09:10 AM

Not really - watch Family Guy, Curb Your Enthusiasm, even tonight's Question Time.......people's 'offensive barometer' is different the world over.

Football is a very easy stage for many to use as a focal point for a religious argument in Scotland - however watch any channel on television at any time of the day you'll be more exposed to more racism, bigotry and malice.

The niche argument here bollah is that us Scots are pioneering and utterly ignorant in equal measure - there's no middle ground. But there's no courage either.

The fickleness of fate is such that we (Scotland) could use a silly wee game where people kick a round object around a field to actually make a huge difference to a societal problem (sectarianism) - as pioneers in many things we've been utterly stupid and ignorant to realise this - however, money and 'power' talks...........just saying.......

That 'offensive barometer' is dictated by a societies agreed traditions. Those traditions and the taboos built around them which protect them from being changed. It is fear of the consequences if one has the courage to step out of line and say no. Again, the values across the world aren't that different. Being a troll is not acceptable by most people. Unfortunately our society and 'leaders' in pretty much every country, are pretty pathological as reflected in the television, politicians, business practices and corporate ethics. You're right in that football is part of that money nexus. People will do and say anything and nothing to maintain their grip and what they fear to lose. Not many people would have courage to criticise a trainload of Scots travelling to Ulster to commemorate the Willism of Orange, because of their 'good songs'.

What does Scotland really have to lose in taking the lead as Graham Spiers did recently. He hasn't lost his livelihood even. Speak for oneself on not having courage- that's a cop out and is a measure of your own fear, not everyone else's.

marinello59

05-02-2016, 09:15 AM

No, she's not. The Church of Scotland has no head (other than Jesus).

Isn't Jesus Jewish?

Andy74

05-02-2016, 09:55 AM

Lizzie is the head of the establishment church in England. In Scotland, therefore, she is head of the Church of Scotland.

I don't think she is, anyway, still has nothing to do with whether I dislike her or not.

hibsbollah

05-02-2016, 04:18 PM

Not really - watch Family Guy, Curb Your Enthusiasm, even tonight's Question Time.......people's 'offensive barometer' is different the world over.

Football is a very easy stage for many to use as a focal point for a religious argument in Scotland - however watch any channel on television at any time of the day you'll be more exposed to more racism, bigotry and malice.

The niche argument here bollah is that us Scots are pioneering and utterly ignorant in equal measure - there's no middle ground. But there's no courage either.

The fickleness of fate is such that we (Scotland) could use a silly wee game where people kick a round object around a field to actually make a huge difference to a societal problem (sectarianism) - as pioneers in many things we've been utterly stupid and ignorant to realise this - however, money and 'power' talks...........just saying.......

I didn't really understand what you mean here TH, sorry. I thought the original post was thoughtful and went a bit deeper than the usual reaction to this problem. If your main point is that 'it's society's problem, not unique to football' I agree, but there's bigger stuff going on as well. There is a lot of unrecognised hatred bubbling under the surface in Scotland that manifests itself in lyrics about being up to our knees in fenian blood. I mean when you think about what the lyrics are saying it's beyond belief that a) thousands of Huns want to belong to a tribe that revels in that sort of sentiment and b) Nobody in positions of power or authority or influence really care about it. Or to put it another way, Society is really ****ed up.

Eyrie

05-02-2016, 07:56 PM

No, she's not. The Church of Scotland has no head (other than Jesus).

Surely the head would be their god?

leggeto

05-02-2016, 08:17 PM

Hibs are my religion and easter road is my place of worship

SquashedFrogg

05-02-2016, 08:25 PM

Isn't Jesus Jewish?

Jesus is just a figment of peoples imagination... He didn't exist :agree:

Pete

05-02-2016, 08:35 PM

Jesus is just a figment of peoples imagination... He didn't exist :agree:

In your opinion. :wink:

Scott Allan Key

05-02-2016, 09:19 PM

Jesus is just a figment of peoples imagination... He didn't exist :agree:

Neither do Rangers or Celtic. Even at this moment in time, they are a myth in the minds of their supporters.

Hibernia&Alba

05-02-2016, 09:23 PM

Neither do Rangers or Celtic. Even at this moment in time, they are a myth in the minds of their supporters.

That's certainly true in the case of Rangers, whose death and resurrection is no second coming.

Scott Allan Key

05-02-2016, 09:27 PM

That's certainly true in the case of Rangers, whose death and resurrection is no second coming.

The Glaswegian Blue. 'Ello Billy! Thump, thump.

21.05.2016

06-02-2016, 07:16 PM

Oh yes the "minority' again :rolleyes:

Vermin the lot of them, a club rotten to its very core with bigotry as the backbone of the club. **** of the earth, a truly despicable, vile organisation with the most horrific dregs of society following them.

The Rangers FC - Scotlands almighty shame!

paddy1875

06-02-2016, 11:17 PM

After reading a couple threads about how much everybody hates the hearts, it got me thinking....I don't like the farts, but I do absolutely hate the Rangers. Hate is a strong word, but it's safe to say I do hate them. I hate everything they stand for. My sister married a Hun, and a good one at that. He loves football he loves his club but now he's embarrassed to go to games. I'm 27, he must me 38 now. After attending a few cup finals with the hibs on family days out, a few games now and again he's grown a great affection for the cabbage. He told me after a few jars a few weeks ago that it's great to go watch hibs, chuck some banter about without worrying. The Rangers and its supporters live in the past. They can't let past triumphs years ago, on the football field or off it go. Even tho the world has moved on, people evolve, people integrate. The trouble is.....id say, 80% of the Rangers supporters still think they're right.