Trump

[Alex Trager]

What are people's thoughts on this fella?

I see he is polling well ahead of competition, mental I know.

This is what the BBC said, surmised:

He's insulted Mexicans and Latinos.

He's insulted Muslims.

He's insulted Sikhs.

He's insulted folk with disabilities.

He's insulted women.

[twiceinathens]

Just imagine a combination of Trump in the U.S., Putin in Russia and Boris Johnson in the U.K.!!!

[Sir David Gray]

It's frightening that he might become President of the USA.

[HappyAsHellas]

Yeah, I mean Regan was a joke at the time and then they went for Bush jr which has to be seen as a downward spiral, but Trump? Christ, surely not.

[BroxburnHibee]

Clinton will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Hopefully :rolleyes:

[Pete]

What are people's thoughts on this fella?

I see he is polling well ahead of competition, mental I know.

This is what the BBC said, surmised:

He's insulted Mexicans and Latinos.

He's insulted Muslims.

He's insulted Sikhs.

He's insulted folk with disabilities.

He's insulted women.

It's populist nonsense which is a means to an end. Watch his mask drop once his aim has been achieved.

The same softening of attitudes will happen in our own parliament and the recent platitudes will soon be brushed under the carpet.

I think this is going to happen but it won't be as advertised on the tin.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm sure Marinello59 will be along to correct me but like any electorate the American one has a lot of thick voters. Trump is nowhere nearly as stupid as he makes out, he's just playing to an audience. History proves that you don't have to win the vote of the educated and informed to win an election, you can do quite well if you get the backing of the proletariat,the scared and the stupid and Trump is playing a blinder so far.

[Sylar]

A nation where bigotry and prejudice is utterly rife and he's playing every card that appeals to those ideals.

If Obama came out with some of the statements Trump has in recent months, Fox news would be calling for him to be carted off in handcuffs.

Some of his policies (ideas maybe a better word at this stage?) are genuinely frightening and I truly perish the thought of him controlling the world's largest superpower.

The erection of a wall between the US and Mexico FFS - this guy lived through the sheer elation that accompanied the wall coming down in Berlin - surely he remembers what divisive, hateful politics can do to a country and its people?!

There are a few memes out there comparing some of his ideology to that of Hitler and I don't think they're too far off the mark (tad hyperbolic perhaps, but his rhetoric towards Muslims and the associated fear-mongering is akin to Hitler's hatred of the Jew, at least on a surface level).

[marinello59]

I'm sure Marinello59 will be along to correct me but like any electorate the American one has a lot of thick voters. Trump is nowhere nearly as stupid as he makes out, he's just playing to an audience. History proves that you don't have to win the vote of the educated and informed to win an election, you can do quite well if you get the backing of the proletariat,the scared and the stupid and Trump is playing a blinder so far.

I won't be defending any portion of the American electorate misguided enough to vote for Trump. :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

I won't be defending any portion of the American electorate misguided enough to vote for Trump. :greengrin

Just realised I didn't put a smiley in there, still glad you took my post in the sentiment intended :greengrin

[lucky]

I campaigned for Obama in 2008 in New England and we faced racism on the door steps, but what was worse these were targeted trade unionists. The level of hatred in some counties was unbelievable. I would never underestimate the bigotry in the USA

[Tyler Durden]

Clinton will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Hopefully :rolleyes:

Bernie Sanders looks likely to run her very close. Should be an interesting race on both sides, albeit for very different reasons.

This video is a good example of why Trump could be successful... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNQOghcxfFs

[lord bunberry]

Surely if Trump wins the republican nomination he will come under the sort of scrutiny that would make him unelectable?

[marinello59]

Just realised I didn't put a smiley in there, still glad you took my post in the sentiment intended :greengrin

No need for the smiley, made me laugh.:greengrin

[heretoday]

If Trump made it to the White House I can see several politicians here changing their views about not having a nuclear deterrent.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

I think he's a nob and it would be bad for the world if he's elected.

[Hibbyradge]

I think he'd be assassinated.

[snooky]

I'm sure Marinello59 will be along to correct me but like any electorate the American one has a lot of thick voters. Trump is nowhere nearly as stupid as he makes out, he's just playing to an audience. History proves that you don't have to win the vote of the educated and informed to win an election, you can do quite well if you get the backing of the proletariat,the scared and the stupid and Trump is playing a blinder so far.

All any presidential candidate has to do is to appease the gun lobby & the Bible belt.

[Jones28]

Please ban him from the UK, he's an embarrassment to the western world.

[CropleyWasGod]

Please ban him from the UK, he's an embarrassment to the western world.

Banning him makes him a martyr.

Allow him in, let him speak, and deconstruct his arguments with common sense debate.

[Hibbyradge]

Banning him makes him a martyr.



That's fine with me.

Most of the people who will vote for him wouldn't be able to identify the UK on a map so his exclusion wouldn't be very significant to them at all.

Practically, however, making an enemy of the president of the USA might not be the cleverest strategic move.

We're best pals with Saudi Arabia for macro political reasons after all, and they're a lot worse than Trump could ever be.

[Jones28]

Banning him makes him a martyr.

Allow him in, let him speak, and deconstruct his arguments with common sense debate.

Nah, give no credence to a man like that.

Ban him and have nothing to do with the ****. He's done enough trap flapping on Scottish soil for my liking.

[CropleyWasGod]

Nah, give no credence to a man like that.

Ban him and have nothing to do with the ****. He's done enough trap flapping on Scottish soil for my liking.

One of the features of a democratic society is the right of someone to air their views, no matter how awful you (and I, FTR) might find them. The polls in the US also suggest that he has a lot of support, as well.... that's scary, but it is democratic.

[Sir David Gray]

One of the features of a democratic society is the right of someone to air their views, no matter how awful you (and I, FTR) might find them. The polls in the US also suggest that he has a lot of support, as well.... that's scary, but it is democratic.

:agree: I wholeheartedly agree with the following quote;

"I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall.

Donald Trump has some very offensive views and he's certainly not someone I could ever vote for but he's entitled to his own opinion. Also, the idea that the United Kingdom could ever ban someone who could quite possibly be the next President of our closest ally by the end of this year is just unthinkable and would be a diplomatic nightmare for our government.

As long as we're inviting representatives from the governments of Saudi Arabia and China into the country, I'm sure Donald Trump will be fine.

[--------]

Please ban him from the UK, he's an embarrassment to the western world.


So was Duh-bya, and we let him in.

[Jones28]

One of the features of a democratic society is the right of someone to air their views, no matter how awful you (and I, FTR) might find them. The polls in the US also suggest that he has a lot of support, as well.... that's scary, but it is democratic.

I wouldn't give any of them my time, from Saudi princes to this complete nutjob. The way the world works is sickening sometimes but that's the way it is.

[Jones28]

There's no question that he is entitled to his view point. However his comments and ideas regarding everyone from Muslims to Mexicans are inciting race-based hatred aren't they? Is that not a good enough reason to ban someone from the UK?

I can't believe America is so close to the worst thing to happen to politics since...well...Hitler?

[silverhibee]

It's frightening that he might become President of the USA.

Very.

[silverhibee]

I think he'd be assassinated.

By Hitler. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Banning him makes him a martyr.

Allow him in, let him speak, and deconstruct his arguments with common sense debate.

Mocking the disabled, you can't have common sense debate with some one like that, I would punch him silly.

And not forgetting a rape allegation made against him by his ex wife in her Autobiography.

And the comments he made to rewards a female Fox reporter, about blood coming out her mouth and down there as well, the man is a disgusting person, wouldn't surprise me if he is shot dead by some American white gun nutter, now that would be karma eh.

He won't be banned from entering the UK, but he certainly won't get a warm welcome either.

[Pretty Boy]

Ted Cruz wins Iowa ahead of Trump.

Hilary Clinton and Bernie Sanders looking like a dead heat for the Democrats.

[Jones28]

Ted Cruz wins Iowa ahead of Trump.

Hilary Clinton and Bernie Sanders looking like a dead heat for the Democrats.

Thank **** for that

[CropleyWasGod]

Thank **** for that
You think Cruz is an acceptable alternative? [emoji48]

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[Sylar]

The outcome of last night was like watching a Rangers vs Celtic final in the days of yore...someone had to win it but you'll be ****ed if you're truly happy with either outcome.

Ted Cruz scares the **** out of me just as much as Trump does, for different reasons.

[Jones28]

You think Cruz is an acceptable alternative? [emoji48]

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Potentially, and very narrowly!

[CropleyWasGod]

Potentially, and very narrowly!

You're not gay then? :greengrin

Not disagreeing with you.... what scares me about the Republican vote is that everyone unites to stop Trump..... and then another (slightly less) scary ****er slips in.

[snooky]

You're not gay then? :greengrin

Not disagreeing with you.... what scares me about the Republican vote is that everyone unites to stop Trump..... and then another (slightly less) scary ****er slips in.
TBH, I can't think of anyone close to being as scary as the Big D (especially for Scotland as he's going to have a bee in his bonnet about us). :worried:

[Bristolhibby]

You're not gay then? :greengrin

Not disagreeing with you.... what scares me about the Republican vote is that everyone unites to stop Trump..... and then another (slightly less) scary ****er slips in.

TBH that scary ****er won't have the populist bounce that Trump could have.

But agree, he's even worse than Trump. Trumps an idiot, and can be milder by a good background team. Cruz is a right wing, tea party, religious nutter.

J

[(((Fergus)))]

I think a weak America is far worse than a strong one and there are very few candidates who have the gumption to fix that country. Trump talks a good game, seemingly from the heart, about how he will renegotiate trade deals, create millions of jobs, and rebuild the military, but then he's also an incurable optimist. Other than him, there are just establishment (pant) suits, a couple of evangelical zealots (one of whom may not even qualify to run) and Bernie Sanders – another guy who talks from the heart and inspires a whole lot of people but who seems even less likely to be able to fix America. Still, a very popcorn-worthy spectacle it will be, to be sure.

[Pretty Boy]

Trump and Sanders win decisively in New Hampshire.

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump and Sanders win decisively in New Hampshire.

If it continues that way then Trump will hammer Sanders come election time. I'm sure the majority of Democrats are ready for a move to the left, however that doesn't mean the US is.

[snooky]

One of the features of a democratic society is the right of someone to air their views, no matter how awful you (and I, FTR) might find them. The polls in the US also suggest that he has a lot of support, as well.... that's scary, but it is democratic.

How ironic given that The Trumpet is an uber republican :greengrin

[NYHibby]

How ironic given that The Trumpet is an uber republican :greengrin

Trump isn't an uber republican though. He used to be a registered democrat and has donated more money to liberal democrats than to republicans.

[snooky]

Trump isn't an uber republican though. He used to be a registered democrat and has donated more money to liberal democrats than to republicans.

I stand corrected. It was an misguided assumption on my part given his views. Odd that he's running as a Republican though.
He's still a roaster, either way.

[overdrive]

I stand corrected. It was an misguided assumption on my part given his views. Odd that he's running as a Republican though.
He's still a roaster, either way.

He's doing what he thinks will get him votes.

[Colr]

If it continues that way then Trump will hammer Sanders come election time. I'm sure the majority of Democrats are ready for a move to the left, however that doesn't mean the US is.

Talk about a lose - lose scenario.

I still think Hillary will win in the end. There's enough people old enough to remember the polarising politics of the past but I worry about the future.

[(((Fergus)))]

If it continues that way then Trump will hammer Sanders come election time. I'm sure the majority of Democrats are ready for a move to the left, however that doesn't mean the US is.

The Democratic delegate system, unlike the Republican, is rigged in favour of the establishment. Even though Sanders hammered Hillary in the vote they left NH with the same number of delegates.

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/13/un_democratic_party_dnc_chair_says_superdelegates_ ensure_elites_dont_have_to_run_against_grassroots_ activists/

[Future17]

The Democratic delegate system, unlike the Republican, is rigged in favour of the establishment. Even though Sanders hammered Hillary in the vote they left NH with the same number of delegates.

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/13/un_democratic_party_dnc_chair_says_superdelegates_ ensure_elites_dont_have_to_run_against_grassroots_ activists/

It's not directly rigged in favour of the establishment, so much as it's rigged in favour of the candidate the party establishment thinks will most likely win the election...but I accept that's more often than not likely to be the same thing.

The system used by the DNC has similarities to the system used in the actual Presidential election, in which it's possible for the candidate with the most votes across the country to lose the election.

[HibsMax]

Trump won't win. I keep telling myself that. I know he has lots of supporters but ironically I've never met a person who says they support him. It will be an interesting year. If Trump did win, I don't know what I would do. Move somewhere warm I guess.

[Smartie]

Trump won't win. I keep telling myself that. I know he has lots of supporters but ironically I've never met a person who says they support him. It will be an interesting year. If Trump did win, I don't know what I would do. Move somewhere warm I guess.

I don't know if I'd ever choose to move just because a particular politician happened to be elected/ not elected. I suppose my biggest political disappointment was September 2014 - but when something doesn't go your way you have to shrug your shoulders, accept the political will of the people, respect the democratic process and move on.

I can't stand Trump - he's everything I loathe about a human being let alone a politician. But if he was elected I don't think those living in America would be that badly affected. Well, most of them anyway. Well, some. Well, the rich ones would be ok. They've had right-wing oafs as president before and will do again. It's overseas that the impact would really be felt. Think George W and having a "war on terror".

The Obama phenomenon is exactly the opposite. The world really needed a sensible, level-headed American president over the past few years and thankfully we've had one. It's truly bizarre that he seems so under-appreciated on home soil.

I really wish I could vote in the American election because whoever is American president probably has as much of an effect on my life as whoever happens to be Prime Minister. But it doesn't really work that way does it?

[Just Jimmy]

I don't know if I'd ever choose to move just because a particular politician happened to be elected/ not elected. I suppose my biggest political disappointment was September 2014 - but when something doesn't go your way you have to shrug your shoulders, accept the political will of the people, respect the democratic process and move on.

I can't stand Trump - he's everything I loathe about a human being let alone a politician. But if he was elected I don't think those living in America would be that badly affected. Well, most of them anyway. Well, some. Well, the rich ones would be ok. They've had right-wing oafs as president before and will do again. It's overseas that the impact would really be felt. Think George W and having a "war on terror".

The Obama phenomenon is exactly the opposite. The world really needed a sensible, level-headed American president over the past few years and thankfully we've had one. It's truly bizarre that he seems so under-appreciated on home soil.

I really wish I could vote in the American election because whoever is American president probably has as much of an effect on my life as whoever happens to be Prime Minister. But it doesn't really work that way does it?

Funny you say that because that's the biggest thing about the Presidency; the legacy is nore often than not their foreign policy yet it is hardly to never an issue that a campaign is run on.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The Roast of Donald Trump is being shown on Comedy Central at some point over the next few days, he doesnae look like he gets it judging by the clips.

[HibsMax]

I don't know if I'd ever choose to move just because a particular politician happened to be elected/ not elected. I suppose my biggest political disappointment was September 2014 - but when something doesn't go your way you have to shrug your shoulders, accept the political will of the people, respect the democratic process and move on.

I can't stand Trump - he's everything I loathe about a human being let alone a politician. But if he was elected I don't think those living in America would be that badly affected. Well, most of them anyway. Well, some. Well, the rich ones would be ok. They've had right-wing oafs as president before and will do again. It's overseas that the impact would really be felt. Think George W and having a "war on terror".

The Obama phenomenon is exactly the opposite. The world really needed a sensible, level-headed American president over the past few years and thankfully we've had one. It's truly bizarre that he seems so under-appreciated on home soil.

I really wish I could vote in the American election because whoever is American president probably has as much of an effect on my life as whoever happens to be Prime Minister. But it doesn't really work that way does it?
Yeah, I doubt I would leave either but it's scary. I mean, there HAS to be a Republican nomination and even though I don't vote right I could probably at least pick a candidate with some redeeming qualities. Trump has none. He's a windbag and almost every time he opens his mouth he's offending someone. He has no qualifications whatsoever to run a country.

Everyone should be scared although I see Hillary getting it. I only say that because there's not a Rep I would consider and I don't think Bernie will get enough support.

[(((Fergus)))]

I don't know if I'd ever choose to move just because a particular politician happened to be elected/ not elected. I suppose my biggest political disappointment was September 2014 - but when something doesn't go your way you have to shrug your shoulders, accept the political will of the people, respect the democratic process and move on.

I can't stand Trump - he's everything I loathe about a human being let alone a politician. But if he was elected I don't think those living in America would be that badly affected. Well, most of them anyway. Well, some. Well, the rich ones would be ok. They've had right-wing oafs as president before and will do again. It's overseas that the impact would really be felt. Think George W and having a "war on terror".

The Obama phenomenon is exactly the opposite. The world really needed a sensible, level-headed American president over the past few years and thankfully we've had one. It's truly bizarre that he seems so under-appreciated on home soil.

I really wish I could vote in the American election because whoever is American president probably has as much of an effect on my life as whoever happens to be Prime Minister. But it doesn't really work that way does it?

Trump is not as dumb as he is made out to be. He opposed the invasion of Iraq and predicted it would destabilise the Middle East - as it has. His solution for Kim Jong-un, for example, is to use economic leverage to get China to take care of him and his nukes.

One reason Obama might not be so appreciated is that he has doubled the national debt, adding almost 10 trillion dollars, or the equivalent of 5 Iraq wars. Then there are the issues of illegal/unwanted immigration and the emigration of jobs. And the way he has reduced America's standing, internationally, gaining nothing in return but instability and humiliation. And the way his teeth whistle when he says a word with the letter "s". To name just a few of the irritations.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The man is mental. Three hundred million Americans yet he's able to run for president? It just shows the extent to which money and fame has bought the political system in America. He isn't credible and he makes a mockery of democracy. It's gives the guy who does The Apprentice the chance to become the most powerful person in the world - if you believe democracy still counts.

It's so sad.

Mon Bernie Sanders!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Talk about a lose - lose scenario.

I still think Hillary will win in the end. There's enough people old enough to remember the polarising politics of the past but I worry about the future.

A fellow fan of Camus. I think I can guess what he'd make of Trump!

[heartbreaker]

Trump is not as dumb as he is made out to be. He opposed the invasion of Iraq and predicted it would destabilise the Middle East - as it has. His solution for Kim Jong-un, for example, is to use economic leverage to get China to take care of him and his nukes.

One reason Obama might not be so appreciated is that he has doubled the national debt, adding almost 10 trillion dollars, or the equivalent of 5 Iraq wars. Then there are the issues of illegal/unwanted immigration and the emigration of jobs. And the way he has reduced America's standing, internationally, gaining nothing in return but instability and humiliation. And the way his teeth whistle when he says a word with the letter "s". To name just a few of the irritations.

I could add a few but your list is great to go on with.

Sanders is an old socialist who can be ruled out.

Clinton is a crooked Wall Street stooge.

Trump is an egomaniacal guy who happens to be essentially right about what is wrong on a good few issues such as US intervention is Iraq, the Iran deal ( bloody stupid ) and the outsourcing of jobs.

The best result would be someone like Kasich but trump would be fine....

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Agreed... Almost scary enough for me to emigrate back :)


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[Hibernia&Alba]

I could add a few but your list is great to go on with.

Sanders is an old socialist who can be ruled out.

Clinton is a crooked Wall Street stooge.

Trump is an egomaniacal guy who happens to be essentially right about what is wrong on a good few issues such as US intervention is Iraq, the Iran deal ( bloody stupid ) and the outsourcing of jobs.

The best result would be someone like Kasich but trump would be fine....

Perhaps the worst post I've ever read on .net :greengrin

Trump is an idiot and a crook. He's been declared bankrupt more times than The Rangers, screwing thousands of creditors in the process. He complains about outsourcing of jobs, yet was exposed on national TV as employing sweatshop labour in China to produce his expensively priced shirts and ties. He's insulted everyone from Mexicans to Jews in his campaign, has been sexist and xenophobic. His grasp of world affairs is pitiful, his solutions to complex problems ridiculously simplistic: build a wall to keep out Mexican 'rapists' and get the Mexican government to pay for it!

The Iran deal is good for international security, and Iran will be a vital part of the fight against ISIS in the region.

Trump would be a disaster for America and international peace, IMHO, and would a terrible indictment of American politics. Just think of Trump and Putin pointing thousands of nuclear weapons at each other!

Sanders for Pres :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

Moan the Pope....

Pope Francis questions Donald Trump's Christianity - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35607597

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[LustForLeith]

Can I ask a question. Whats the story with his hair?

I've become obsessed with it, so much so I watch The American Apprentice. Is it a wig? if not, what on earth does he ask for when he goes to the barbers

[Hibernia&Alba]

Can I ask a question. Whats the story with his hair?

I've become obsessed with it, so much so I watch The American Apprentice. Is it a wig? if not, what on earth does he ask for when he goes to the barbers


No, I think it's some extraordinary 'comb forward'. I think he grows it long at the back then brushes it forward to make a fringe. It's a quite spectacular sight.

[silverhibee]

Wow, that is some statement from Trump regards the Popes words about building a wall rather than bridges.


Hope Trumps security are on there toes.

[snooky]

Trump won't win. I keep telling myself that. I know he has lots of supporters but ironically I've never met a person who says they support him. It will be an interesting year. If Trump did win, I don't know what I would do. Move somewhere warm I guess.

Just stay here as Trumpton will make things hot for Scotland.

[JimBHibees]

Trump is not as dumb as he is made out to be. He opposed the invasion of Iraq and predicted it would destabilise the Middle East - as it has. His solution for Kim Jong-un, for example, is to use economic leverage to get China to take care of him and his nukes.

One reason Obama might not be so appreciated is that he has doubled the national debt, adding almost 10 trillion dollars, or the equivalent of 5 Iraq wars. Then there are the issues of illegal/unwanted immigration and the emigration of jobs. And the way he has reduced America's standing, internationally, gaining nothing in return but instability and humiliation. And the way his teeth whistle when he says a word with the letter "s". To name just a few of the irritations.

Just Obama alone nothing to do with the economic meltdown?

[Pretty Boy]

So ahead of super Tuesday Trump wins in South Carolina, Clinton wins in Nevada and Jeb Bush drops out of the Republican race.

[Hibernia&Alba]

So ahead of super Tuesday Trump wins in South Carolina, Clinton wins in Nevada and Jeb Bush drops out of the Republican race.

I just cannot imagine walking into a polling booth and putting my cross beside Trump's name. What's happened to America? As if Dubya Bush wasn't bad enough.

[Silky]

My worst fear is that we end up with Trump and Boris Johnson as the leaders of Britain and America. Wow. What a thought.

[Pretty Boy]

My worst fear is that we end up with Trump and Boris Johnson as the leaders of Britain and America. Wow. What a thought.

Was there not a myth that if everyone in China jumped at the exact same moment it would cause an earthquake?

I wonder what the effect would be if everyone in Moscow and Beijing started laughing at the same time.

[Rasta_Hibs]

Was there not a myth that if everyone in China jumped at the exact same moment it would cause an earthquake?

I wonder what the effect would be if everyone in Moscow and Beijing started laughing at the same time.

To be honest I think they have been pissing their pants at the American administration for a long long time now.

Trump would be good for US relations with Russia which is good for the world.

Clinton would take the US to war with Russia, Trump would make friends with Russia & build business partnerships with the US & Russia.

Not a bad thing for global security.

[Hibernia&Alba]

To be honest I think they have been pissing their pants at the American administration for a long long time now.

Trump would be good for US relations with Russia which is good for the world.

Clinton would take the US to war with Russia, Trump would make friends with Russia & build business partnerships with the US & Russia.

Not a bad thing for global security.


:fishin:

You're not getting a bite :greengrin

[Alex Trager]

http://trumpdonald.org

This is a good 'blog' on his political beliefs and hair :)

[steakbake]

Trump is a weirdo. Possibly the strangest man ever to run for president - and that includes Nixon who himself was delusional and paranoid. The collapse of the US as a respected world power would be complete if he won.

[heretoday]

Trump is a weirdo. Possibly the strangest man ever to run for president - and that includes Nixon who himself was delusional and paranoid. The collapse of the US as a respected world power would be complete if he won.



They said the same sort of thing about Reagan before he was elected.

[steakbake]

They said the same sort of thing about Reagan before he was elected.

Very true. Something slightly different and unhinged about Trump, though.

[Mr White]

He wants to build a wall along the Mexican border? FFS if he wins I worry about the future. Roger Waters will be touring for at least 4 years solid if he's elected.

[Hibbyradge]

He wants to build a wall along the Mexican border? FFS if he wins I worry about the future. Roger Waters will be touring for at least 4 years solid if he's elected.

Not only is he telling folk that he'll build a wall, he's telling them that Mexico will pay for it!

Neither prospect is feasible but folk are so gullible, they're gleefully soaking it all up as Gospel (literally).

Cartoons of giant walls with giant tunnels underneath appearing soon on a political sketch near you!

[Mr White]

Not only is he telling folk that he'll build a wall, he's telling them that Mexico will pay for it!

Neither prospect is feasible but folk are so gullible, they're gleefully soaking it all up as Gospel (literally).

Cartoons of giant walls with giant tunnels underneath appearing soon on a political sketch near you!
Frightening.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm sure if he suggested they force illegal immigrants to resurface all highways then it'd be a vote winner. Public opinion in the west has not been this far right since the 1930's

[Hibbyradge]

The Democrats seem lost for words, fortunately. They're sorting out their own candidate.

There is no point in attacking an opposition candidate who will burn the Republicans to the ground for a generation if he gets the nomination.

[MWHIBBIES]

Trump is a weirdo. Possibly the strangest man ever to run for president - and that includes Nixon who himself was delusional and paranoid. The collapse of the US as a respected world power would be complete if he won.I'm not even sure if Trump is the strangest man running for president right now, all 5 GOP candidates are nutters.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm not even sure if Trump is the strangest man running for president right now, all 5 GOP candidates are nutters.

Ted Cruz is pure evil and as devious as they come. I despise him.

[stoneyburn hibs]

I'm going over to my dad's in the summer (Tennessee), really interested in hearing their views on Trump. The why's and what for.

[Hibbyradge]

This is a fantastic article. Brilliantly put.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/opinion/the-governing-cancer-of-our-time.html?_r=0

I don't know if the link will work. Maybe a passing admincould fix it for me?

Thanks

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The Roast of Donald Trump is being shown on Comedy Central at some point over the next few days, he doesnae look like he gets it judging by the clips.

Its on at 10pm tonight.

[GreenLake]

What are people's thoughts on this fella?

I see he is polling well ahead of competition, mental I know.

This is what the BBC said, surmised:

He's insulted Mexicans and Latinos.

He's insulted Muslims.

He's insulted Sikhs.

He's insulted folk with disabilities.

He's insulted women.

This election is turning into a horrible choice between a vote for Donald Trump or Goldman Sachs.

[GreenLake]

I think he'd be assassinated.

I can imagine some strange fiery death resulting from a hairdryer malfunction.

[GreenLake]

A nation where bigotry and prejudice is utterly rife and he's playing every card that appeals to those ideals.

If Obama came out with some of the statements Trump has in recent months, Fox news would be calling for him to be carted off in handcuffs.

Some of his policies (ideas maybe a better word at this stage?) are genuinely frightening and I truly perish the thought of him controlling the world's largest superpower.

The erection of a wall between the US and Mexico FFS - this guy lived through the sheer elation that accompanied the wall coming down in Berlin - surely he remembers what divisive, hateful politics can do to a country and its people?!

There are a few memes out there comparing some of his ideology to that of Hitler and I don't think they're too far off the mark (tad hyperbolic perhaps, but his rhetoric towards Muslims and the associated fear-mongering is akin to Hitler's hatred of the Jew, at least on a surface level).

Yet they managed to vote in an African American as President of their country, something unlikely to happen in European nations for the foreseeable future.

[CropleyWasGod]

John Oliver nails it, as usual.

http://www.wired.com/2016/02/new-chrome-extension-makes-donald-drumpf/

[(((Fergus)))]

John Oliver nails it, as usual.

http://www.wired.com/2016/02/new-chrome-extension-makes-donald-drumpf/

Can't view the video but the "Drumpf" thing is a weak effort. His paternal family changed the spelling in the 17th century. Trump's grandfather emigrated to America in 1885. His surname was Trump, as was his father's before him:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCR1-KF8

It's fun watching the various establishments trying to pick holes in him while his numbers continue to rise.

His mother, as you probably know, was a Gaelic-speaking McLeod. That's probably why he's a wee bit... different. :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Can't view the video but the "Drumpf" thing is a weak effort. His paternal family changed the spelling in the 17th century. Trump's grandfather emigrated to America in 1885. His surname was Trump, as was his father's before him:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCR1-KF8

It's fun watching the various establishments trying to pick holes in him while his numbers continue to rise.

His mother, as you probably know, was a Gaelic-speaking McLeod. That's probably why he's a wee bit... different. :wink:

Yeah, I know, which is why his stance on immigration is a tad hypocritical, no?

[(((Fergus)))]

Yeah, I know, which is why his stance on immigration is a tad hypocritical, no?

Like his wife (and ex-wife), his mother was a *legal* immigrant. He says consistently that US will build (actually strengthen) wall however people will still come – but they will do so *legally*, i.e. on America's terms.

OT but made me chuckle:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcmLr33UsAAcKzm.jpg

[steakbake]

This election is turning into a horrible choice between a vote for Donald Trump or Goldman Sachs.

This is the thing. It really says something terrible about the choice Americans are facing that people are hoping for Hilary Clinton.

I've no idea what a Trump presidency would offer: probably a total disaster. A Clinton presidency would be to continue the New American Century project, with all that has brought us so far.

[Rasta_Hibs]

This is the thing. It really says something terrible about the choice Americans are facing that people are hoping for Hilary Clinton.

I've no idea what a Trump presidency would offer: probably a total disaster. A Clinton presidency would be to continue the New American Century project, with all that has brought us so far.

I agree it is mental that the suppose leading nation of the free world are left with Trump and Clinton to choose from as president.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

But if you consider Clinton as the lesser of two evils then you really have no idea who is behind America's foreign policy and what that means for the world.

Clinton is pure evil.

Trump well its hard to tell, his popularity is in the hope that he is independent from the establishment/bankers.

I think he is probably another stoogle for the international bankers - Like Clinton but time will tell. It does not look good whoever wins.

[Moulin Yarns]

I agree it is mental that the suppose leading nation of the free world are left with Trump and Clinton to choose from as president.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

But if you consider Clinton as the lesser of two evils then you really have no idea who is behind America's foreign policy and what that means for the world.

Clinton is pure evil.

Trump well its hard to tell, his popularity is in the hope that he is independent from the establishment/bankers.

I think he is probably another stoogle for the international bankers - Like Clinton but time will tell. It does not look good whoever wins.


:faf:

That has to be one of the best miss-types ever.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stoogle

[Radium]

No expert on the US electoral process but Trump is not that far ahead, as the number of delegate votes available in each state is not the same. Cruz won Texas and got 155 votes, Trump got 30 for winning Nevada.

Suspect that there is a fairly long bloodbath ahead for the Republicans.

Delegate Breakdown (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-Alloc.phtml)

Telegraph's Tracker (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/12181095/US-presidential-elections-2016-State-by-state-results-tracker.html)

[Hibbyradge]

Clinton is pure evil.


It's pretty difficult to have a meaningful political conversation in the face of statements like that.



Trump well its hard to tell, his popularity is in the hope that he is independent from the establishment/bankers.



The fact that people perceive him as independent does stand him in good stead, but it's naive.

I'll post this again in case you missed it.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/opinion/the-governing-cancer-of-our-time.html?_r=0

[lord bunberry]

Trump is an egotistical maniac IMO. What is starting to piss me off is the stuff on Facebook were they read out quotes from Hitler out to Trump voters, then ridicule them for agreeing with the quotes. This sort of thing is cheap and classless. Anyone who knows anything about the history of that period would recognise that Hitler did lots of good things to build up the German economy and the German people before executing his evil plans. If this is the level of political commentary in the US, I'm glad I don't live there.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Only Sanders gives me hope for a sane, rational America of the Lincoln, FDR, JFK ilk. Our democracy is increasingly a platform for the lowest common denominator, but America is off the scale in its ignorant right wing lunacy. The Republican party is a total write off and the Democrats are on the cusp of the same fate, IMO. Sanders could be the last hope of rescuing the system. Big business owns the U.S. system to the extent there is no real choice, and we're headed in the same direction. I fear the worst.

[GreenLake]

Trump is an egotistical maniac IMO. What is starting to piss me off is the stuff on Facebook were they read out quotes from Hitler out to Trump voters, then ridicule them for agreeing with the quotes. This sort of thing is cheap and classless. Anyone who knows anything about the history of that period would recognise that Hitler did lots of good things to build up the German economy and the German people before executing his evil plans. If this is the level of political commentary in the US, I'm glad I don't live there.


The political commentary is vile and different from home but where is political commentary good? Try to be positive and look at the upsides or I mighT have to come home and,live with all you miserable *****. :)

Politicians don't rule now. Other people do and we have yet to reveal them, but we will and eventually we will move on.

[lord bunberry]

The political commentary is vile and different from home but where is political commentary good? Try to be positive and look at the upsides or I mighT have to come home and,live with all you miserable *****. :)

Politicians don't rule now. Other people do and we have yet to reveal them, but we will and eventually we will move on.
On that point we most certainly agree. Politicians the world over are not to be trusted.

[Giro Playboy]

The Republican hierarchy know Trump is unelectable and that is why they are ****ting themselves he becomes their nominee.
He is currently hiding his tax returns from public view which could mean he is either not as rich as he says he is or he has been dodging. Either way its enough to make his campaign go up in smoke.

[snooky]

The Republican hierarchy know Trump is unelectable and that is why they are ****ting themselves he becomes their nominee.
He is currently hiding his tax returns from public view which could mean he is either not as rich as he says he is or he has been dodging. Either way its enough to make his campaign go up in smoke.


Mitt-ion Accomplished.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/mitt-romney-speech.html?ref=first-draft

[GreenLake]

The Republican hierarchy know Trump is unelectable and that is why they are ****ting themselves he becomes their nominee.
He is currently hiding his tax returns from public view which could mean he is either not as rich as he says he is or he has been dodging. Either way its enough to make his campaign go up in smoke.

I think they are more concerned about the opposite and some elite Republicans are threatening to back Clinton which must go some way to demonstrate that the two party system is a dog and pony show. If voting really mattered we would probably not be allowed to do it.

[Betty Boop]

Violent clashes between supporters and opponents at Trump rally in Chicago, that got cancelled. Getting nasty now.

[snooky]

Violent clashes between supporters and opponents at Trump rally in Chicago, that got cancelled. Getting nasty now.

Some protesters arrested on Trumped up charges likely as not.

[Jim44]

Violent clashes between supporters and opponents at Trump rally in Chicago, that got cancelled. Getting nasty now.

It's not just getting nasty now ........ Trumpet has been nasty since the year dot. Walkover for Clinton.

[heretoday]

The more clashes and disruption at Trumps' rallies the better. Middle Americans don't like to see that sort of thing and will flock to Hilary.

[Bristolhibby]

http://youtu.be/Oyc4cQ9DkQ4

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[(((Fergus)))]

The more clashes and disruption at Trumps' rallies the better. Middle Americans don't like to see that sort of thing and will flock to Hilary.


Middle Americans are seeing SJWs trying to shut down freedom of assembly and speech, things Americans are very touchy about. If they are trying to make Trump unpopular with Americans, they are going the wrong way about it.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Clean sweep across 3 states last night for Sanders, great to see.

[Hibrandenburg]

Clean sweep across 3 states last night for Sanders, great to see.

I'd love to see him get into the Whitehouse, but I fear it's too little too late.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35923658




It is the latest sign of friction between Mr Trump and Mr Cruz, who have been embroiled in a dispute involving each other's wives.

A committee supporting Mr Cruz published a nude photo of Mr Trump's wife Melania from 2000. In retaliation, Mr Trump tweeted an unflattering picture of Mr Cruz's wife Heidi.


how unprofessional can they pair stoop, both of them wanting to be president, ******* frightening

[snooky]

Trump manages to encapsulate in one human being everything I dislike. Quite an achievement in itself as as I'm usual quite tolerant.

[Sir David Gray]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35923658




It is the latest sign of friction between Mr Trump and Mr Cruz, who have been embroiled in a dispute involving each other's wives.

A committee supporting Mr Cruz published a nude photo of Mr Trump's wife Melania from 2000. In retaliation, Mr Trump tweeted an unflattering picture of Mr Cruz's wife Heidi.


how unprofessional can they pair stoop, both of them wanting to be president, ******* frightening



:agree: Scary to think either of them could be the most powerful person in the world this time next year.

[CropleyWasGod]

And then there's this:-

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/donald-trump-abortion-punishment-ban-illegal-pro-life

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[Sir David Gray]

And then there's this:-

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/donald-trump-abortion-punishment-ban-illegal-pro-life

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I'm more or less pro-life on the abortion debate but Trump getting involved in that sort of issue won't help anybody.

[Off the bar]

https://thewpsa.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/racial-resentment-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump/

On the phone so hope the link works, it's an interesting statistical analysis showing what we all guessed; that Trump supporters are largely motivated by their racist views.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://thewpsa.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/racial-resentment-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump/

On the phone so hope the link works, it's an interesting statistical analysis showing what we all guessed; that Trump supporters are largely motivated by their racist views.

German take on the rise of rising right wing sentiments in the Fatherland.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQkV5cTuoY&feature=youtu.be

"Read ****, you ****" :greengrin

[Colr]

https://thewpsa.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/racial-resentment-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump/

On the phone so hope the link works, it's an interesting statistical analysis showing what we all guessed; that Trump supporters are largely motivated by their racist views.

What I find tragic is that he is tapping into the frustrations of the American working class who have seen their prospects and security eroded over the last 40 years. When they really need a champion they get this clown!!

[PeeJay]

German take on the rise of rising right wing sentiments in the Fatherland.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQkV5cTuoY&feature=youtu.be

"Read ****, you ****" :greengrin

Great link - seems the .Net swear filter however, has something against German philosophers ... ? :greengrin

[Mikey09]

If this clown isn't slapped down pronto people are going to get killed. It's a recipe for disaster. Imagine if he gets the keys to the Whitehouse?! It'll be like the next instalment of The Hunger Games!!!

[Ronniekirk]

He will be the Architect f his own downfall thankfully
Doesn't know when to keep his trap shut and thinks he is unstoppable and hence his bigoted racist and homophobic. Anti refugee views and general intolerance and thuggish behaviour come out His disrespect for woman is incredible and he certainly wont be getting their vote


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[snooky]

He will be the Architect f his own downfall thankfully
Doesn't know when to keep his trap shut and thinks he is unstoppable and hence his bigoted racist and homophobic. Anti refugee views and general intolerance and thuggish behaviour come out His disrespect for woman is incredible and he certainly wont be getting their vote

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You're right, Ronnie (no pun there, BTW).
If you give people like Trump a free length of rope they will eventually hang themselves and that is far more effective (and satisfying) than someone else doing it.

[Colr]

He will be the Architect f his own downfall thankfully
Doesn't know when to keep his trap shut and thinks he is unstoppable and hence his bigoted racist and homophobic. Anti refugee views and general intolerance and thuggish behaviour come out His disrespect for woman is incredible and he certainly wont be getting their vote


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He will only be stopped if the political elite in the US address the decline in the working class and lower middle class.

The same issue is giving Nigel Farage a platform in the UK and it will only grow unless the prospect of relative prosperity is more evenly spread through society.

[snooky]

He will only be stopped if the political elite in the US address the decline in the working class and lower middle class.

The same issue is giving Nigel Farage a platform in the UK and it will only grow unless the prospect of relative prosperity is more evenly spread through society.

:agree: Valid point.

[pacoluna]

Donald Trump has focused his campaign so much on appealing to the far right in order to get the republican vote that it will be near on impossible to retract some of his statements/opinions in effect to get back to the middle ground which is needed to win an over all majority.

[Hibrandenburg]

Donald Trump has focused his campaign so much on appealing to the far right in order to get the republican vote that it will be near on impossible to retract some of his statements/opinions in effect to get back to the middle ground which is needed to win an over all majority.

Watch the metamorphosis begin. Clinton v Saunders has divided the Democrats and there's no guarantee that either's supporters will vote for the other. There's a few twists in this yet.

[Hibbyradge]

Watch the metamorphosis begin. Clinton v Saunders has divided the Democrats and there's no guarantee that either's supporters will vote for the other. There's a few twists in this yet.

There's less chance that those people would vote for Trump.

Trump will move away from the right, and nothing is certain in politics, but Leicester have more chance of winning the English premiership this season than Trump has of becoming president...

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Trump is the next instalment of a general anti-politics feeling that's going on at the moment. Folk voting for Corben, UKIP and Lib Dem in the last election was a result of everyone being fed up with the BS marketing-chat spouted by politicians who base their policies on focus groups rather than their genuine beliefs. Even SNP to some extent as they had a big increase in votes when Blair was unpopular because of the Iraq war. Fringe parties on the left and right are seeing a much larger share of the vote across Europe.

It's a shame Trump is a **** because I think it's good to have someone who isn't a career politician and doesn't feel bound by the rules of politics. If it was someone like Richard Branson, say it would be a lot more interesting (I don't have a strong opinion on RB either way but he's the first non-**** of an entrepreneur I could think of). I heard on he news today that only 37% of Americans consider Clinton trustworthy so it's a real possibility Trump might win.

[heretoday]

Never fails to amaze me that a country the size of America consistently produces such awful candidates for the top job - a hideous bully and a woman who is there by dint of her husband's former presidency.

[Hibbyradge]

and a woman who is there by dint of her husband's former presidency.

She's a highly experienced and competent politician in her own right.

Unlike Trump.

[Hibby70]

competent

I think that's where some might disagree.

[(((Fergus)))]

She's a highly experienced and competent politician in her own right.

Unlike Trump.

Benghazi and the e-mail server are two obvious examples of her rank incompetence that have gotten people killed. If by politician you mean lying to save her skin - yes, she is very experienced and competent.

[HibsMax]

Benghazi and the e-mail server are two obvious examples of her rank incompetence that have gotten people killed. If by politician you mean lying to save her skin - yes, she is very experienced and competent.

How many lives have other politician's incompetency caused? 9/11 cost thousands of people their lives and continues to because of the contracted conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Anyway, I don't want to start a "He is great, he is crap" argument. What I would say is that while polls suggest people don't trust Clinton, are there any polls that demonstrate that the majority of voters trust ANY politician? I thought distrust kinda went hand-in-hand with the job?

Opinion: I'm not a Clinton fan, I voted for Sanders, but I will absolutely vote for Clinton in the election. I know Republicans who will vote for Clinton too because they're gobsmacked by Trump and everything that comes out of his mouth. Trump may be the Republican Presidential nominee but I have a really hard time seeing him carrying that success over to the nation. I don't see Democrats voting for him and I see more Independents voting for Clinton that Trump. I think he will do better than people expect but for him to win the whole thing, that would take a miracle.

[snooky]

How many lives have other politician's incompetency caused? 9/11 cost thousands of people their lives and continues to because of the contracted conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Anyway, I don't want to start a "He is great, he is crap" argument. What I would say is that while polls suggest people don't trust Clinton, are there any polls that demonstrate that the majority of voters trust ANY politician? I thought distrust kinda went hand-in-hand with the job?

Opinion: I'm not a Clinton fan, I voted for Sanders, but I will absolutely vote for Clinton in the election. I know Republicans who will vote for Clinton too because they're gobsmacked by Trump and everything that comes out of his mouth. Trump may be the Republican Presidential nominee but I have a really hard time seeing him carrying that success over to the nation. I don't see Democrats voting for him and I see more Independents voting for Clinton that Trump. I think he will do better than people expect but for him to win the whole thing, that would take a miracle.

What's his odds? 5000/1 say? :wink:

[Northernhibee]

What's his odds? 5000/1 say? :wink:

They were 40/1 when he announced he was running. Stuck a fiver on it as every single US president in history was the one with the most money behind their campaign.

[(((Fergus)))]

How many lives have other politician's incompetency caused? 9/11 cost thousands of people their lives and continues to because of the contracted conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Anyway, I don't want to start a "He is great, he is crap" argument. What I would say is that while polls suggest people don't trust Clinton, are there any polls that demonstrate that the majority of voters trust ANY politician? I thought distrust kinda went hand-in-hand with the job?

Opinion: I'm not a Clinton fan, I voted for Sanders, but I will absolutely vote for Clinton in the election. I know Republicans who will vote for Clinton too because they're gobsmacked by Trump and everything that comes out of his mouth. Trump may be the Republican Presidential nominee but I have a really hard time seeing him carrying that success over to the nation. I don't see Democrats voting for him and I see more Independents voting for Clinton that Trump. I think he will do better than people expect but for him to win the whole thing, that would take a miracle.

I don't know. People laughed at him and announced his demise every day from the time he announced until Kasich dropped out. I still half expect them to try and pull a fast one at the convention. There are also lots of anecdotal stories about Democrats and independents coming over to Trump, plus there are the millions of stay-at-homes who came out to vote – he was on course to get more votes in the primaries than any previous candidate in history. Has he peaked?

On the other side, Clinton has struggled to put away an elderly socialist-cum-communist and she has so much other baggage that Bernie tactfully ignored. Plus Trump "hasn't really started on her". Next few months should be fun...

[(((Fergus)))]

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