Loyalty points

[Billy Whizz]

Come the summer if we have a large number of people not renewing for this reason, then of course it's something the club would need to look at. But half season ticket sales increased our number of season ticket holders by about 10% so at the moment it doesn't appear to be that much of a hindrance. Of course that might change but that's hypothetical at the moment.
And hopefully with a great season behind us, these half season tickets holders will join for the whole new season.

In a couple of years time I can only see loyalty points being in use for Tynie, which will have a reduced capacity. I've been going to Ibrox for every game for 20 years or so, and apart from the last 2 season in the championship, we haven't sold out. A run of the mill game against them in the premiership will be the same.
We are where we are, can we please move, got out biggest game of the season on Saturday, much much bigger in my opinion than the Hearts game. A game at Hampden in the final for the winners

[BoomtownHibees]

Hibs would rather have sell outs every week with Season Ticket holders than worry about how many fans turn up to away games.

Away game fans are important also - often the real die hards but really Hibs don't get much benefit except vocal support.

ST holders are vital for this club and income. They need to make people want to buy a ticket.

I don't disagree that the club would prefer sell outs however they obviously see the benefit of fans travelling away from home as well, hence the reward of points for attending away games.

If folk don't buy because of this reason then they are pushing themselves even further down the pecking order.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So people feel a season ticket is devalued and aren't going to renew as they don't get first dibs on tickets for certain games. Yet by not renewing they are only pushing themselves further down the order.
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If I paid at the gate for 18 games over the last 2 seasons I'd be in the same batch as I am for having 2 season tickets worth plus various cup games and last year's semi final.

Could've saved myself a few bob and still been in batch 2.

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs need to plan ahead and can't risk fans not renewing.

They should be looking across the city and making fans realise we need to do our part and increase our crowds.

Success and ideally promotion or most ideal winning the league will 100% boost sales. It's so vital fans continue to come to ER and grow the current crowds and do their part to get us promoted.

And if they look across the city they'll see a loyalty system in place that, fundamentally, isn't any different to ours as far as I'm aware.

It hasn't harmed their season ticket sales.

[Danderhall Hibs]

It's entirely in line with my wish for the club to bring in as much money as possible. I don't want the club to lose any season ticket holders. I want the club to encourage more people to become season ticket holders.


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Apologies - I thought you were flippantly saying it's no loss.

[Onion]

I don't disagree that benefit has been taken away. But I also believe that someone who regularly attends home and away should have priority over someone who purely attends at home.

Agreed ! The concept is fine, the problem is in the execution.

[BoomtownHibees]

Hibs need to plan ahead and can't risk fans not renewing.

They should be looking across the city and making fans realise we need to do our part and increase our crowds.

Success and ideally promotion or most ideal winning the league will 100% boost sales. It's so vital fans continue to come to ER and grow the current crowds and do their part to get us promoted.

Them across the city have a loyalty scheme that works exactly the same as ours. They reward the folk who attend most games, the way it should be.

[GreenCastle]

Them across the city have a loyalty scheme that works exactly the same as ours. They reward the folk who attend most games, the way it should be.

I'm not against rewarding fans who attend the most games.

The more money you spend on Hibs - the more benefits you should get.

What I agree with is the fact Season Tickets and younger kids are suffering which needs looked at.

[BoomtownHibees]

I'm not against rewarding fans who attend the most games.

The more money you spend on Hibs - the more benefits you should get.

What I agree with is the fact Season Tickets and younger kids are suffering which needs looked at.

I don't strictly agree with your point about more benefits. A loyalty scheme where the reward is priority to tickets for matches should only be used for the attendance of games. There should be a separate reward scheme for the other stuff such as spending money in the shop etc.

[B.H.F.C]

If I paid at the gate for 18 games over the last 2 seasons I'd be in the same batch as I am for having 2 season tickets worth plus various cup games and last year's semi final.

Could've saved myself a few bob and still been in batch 2.

That's fine. But fast forward 7 or 8 months and you haven't bought a season ticket, even though you plan to pay in to ER each week. Second game of the season is an away match where points are required as we have a small allocation. You have 10 points from attending the first home game of the season whilst I have 180 from buying my season ticket. You're going to find yourself further down the order then.

[guillaume]

If these season ticket holders were even semi-regulars at away games then they would be in the top batch for tickets anyway. Is it because it's a cup game at Tynecastle that folk now think "aw that's no fair, I want to go to that one" having never bothered about an away game all season?

That's harsh mate, there are guys who've bought season tickets for years on the understanding that it gives them a good chance of getting tickets for tynie, semis and finals.

The hearts game is the first time that they've not been in the first group for getting tickets at one of these matches.

There are a number of valid reasons why people don't or can't do much away travel, and now they're made to feel second class supporters.

I think the club needs to be very careful.

By the way, I'm in the top group but am able to understand how others may feel.

[BoomtownHibees]

That's harsh mate, there are guys who've bought season tickets for years on the understanding that it gives them a good chance of getting tickets for tynie, semis and finals.

The hearts game is the first time that they've not been in the first group for getting tickets at one of these matches.

There are a number of valid reasons why people don't or can't do much away travel, and now they're made to feel second class supporters.

I think the club needs to be very careful.

By the way, I'm in the top group but am able to understand how others may feel.

It may sound harsh however it's the road the club has chosen to go down so we need to go with it. If they understand that they are going to lose season ticket holders then I'm sure they will look at it however I do think it's here to stay.

You mention about all the differing reasons that folk don't attend away games but surely the same could be said for buying a season ticket. It's not about being first class or second class supporters, it's about rewarding folk that go to most games, the way it should be.

[IberianHibernian]

OP asked if Loyalty Points programme was costing club money. Maybe he meant in terms of some STHs deciding not to renew as some here have suggested they might but I wonder how much is being spent on administering it , extra office staff etc.
Also is it not the case that last season`s STHs got full points for last season while walkups only got points for matches after programme started well into the season ? That difference in points will be an advantage for last season`s STHs for a couple more years .
As an overseas fan , I suggest that Hibs international TV subscribers get some points ( 40 per season , 2 per match ? ) too though obviously not as many as fans who actually get to games . For international season ticket it`s about 90 pounds a year but I used to pay more than double that for home matches online plus 6 or 7 pounds per away match . Might encourage more Hibbies around the globe to sign up for Hibs TV even if they`re only watching the odd match while abroad on holiday or for work . For Hibs TV subscribers who live in GB or Ireland where matches can`t be seen live , I suppose it could go with a separate programme rewarding purchases of merchandise etc until a proper club for " distant " members has been set up .

[SunshineOnLeith]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea that there's a class of fans above season ticket holders.

They're the most loyal. And of those 8,000 or so, there will be 2,000 or so who'd be first on the phone/internet/in queue at the ticket office for Tynecastle.

Our loyalty points system addresses a problem that doesn't exist.

[Lee Marvin]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea that there's a class of fans above season ticket holders.

They're the most loyal. And of those 8,000 or so, there will be 2,000 or so who'd be first on the phone/internet/in queue at the ticket office for Tynecastle.

Our loyalty points system addresses a problem that doesn't exist.

Absolutely correct. Those who benefit most from this system would be there anyway, they won't have missed a game they really wanted to be at many times, if ever.

[wookie70]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea that there's a class of fans above season ticket holders.

They're the most loyal. And of those 8,000 or so, there will be 2,000 or so who'd be first on the phone/internet/in queue at the ticket office for Tynecastle.

Our loyalty points system addresses a problem that doesn't exist.

And being on the phone or at the ticket office shows more loyalty than attending home and away games. No-one in the top group isn't a season ticket holder. They are season ticket holders for at least two years who have also attended a good few home cup games and an away game. If I was someone who went to all the home and away games and we never had loyalty points then I would be very pissed off if I never got a ticket for the PBS when someone who only attended home league matches did. There was always going to be a problem with the SC game as there aren't enough tickets to go round. Those that go most often are imo the ones who should be given priority.

The reason there is a different class of supporter is because some fans go to more games than others. It doesn't make them more of a Hibby but it does make them more loyal in terms of attendance. That loyalty should be the only thing that loyalty points is about.

[IberianHibernian]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea that there's a class of fans above season ticket holders.

They're the most loyal. And of those 8,000 or so, there will be 2,000 or so who'd be first on the phone/internet/in queue at the ticket office for Tynecastle.

Our loyalty points system addresses a problem that doesn't exist.
You`ve made 3 points so 3 replies :
1. I`m very uncomfortable with any idea of " class " of Hibernian supporters . We support the club in many ways ( attending matches with or without season ticket , buying merchandise etc ) during our lives for many different reasons ( family tradition , friends , Irish roots , live ( d ) near ER etc etc ) and to talk of " classes " of Hibernian supporters is not right in any way . ( Realise this is a thread about loyalty points and allocation of match tickets so not saying match attendance should not be rewarded with priority for match tickets ) .
2. Many STHs will be very loyal but so are many non STHs who can`t afford to buy a ST at start of season or who don`t want to sit in same seat every week in case they`re going with different non STHs during season .
3. Probably right but doubt many Hibs fans who don`t read here or on other Hibs sites are bothered . Most people fortunately or unfortunately have other more important things to worry about than

[Ozyhibby]

And being on the phone or at the ticket office shows more loyalty than attending home and away games. No-one in the top group isn't a season ticket holder. They are season ticket holders for at least two years who have also attended a good few home cup games and an away game. If I was someone who went to all the home and away games and we never had loyalty points then I would be very pissed off if I never got a ticket for the PBS when someone who only attended home league matches did. There was always going to be a problem with the SC game as there aren't enough tickets to go round. Those that go most often are imo the ones who should be given priority.

The reason there is a different class of supporter is because some fans go to more games than others. It doesn't make them more of a Hibby but it does make them more loyal in terms of attendance. That loyalty should be the only thing that loyalty points is about.

All fair points if you take that point of view but is it worth it if people decide not to renew their season tickets?
There are a lot of season ticket holders out there whose purchase makes no financial sense whatsoever. They miss games through work, family commitments, whatever and would be far better of just paying at the gate but they stuck with the season ticket because it gave them the chance of tickets for big games. Now it doesn't do that. Is this system worth risking losing these guys?
I want to watch the best players on the park we can afford and we need as many season ticket holders as possible for that. This system is undermining the season ticket and that is a great shame.


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[BoomtownHibees]

And being on the phone or at the ticket office shows more loyalty than attending home and away games. No-one in the top group isn't a season ticket holder. They are season ticket holders for at least two years who have also attended a good few home cup games and an away game. If I was someone who went to all the home and away games and we never had loyalty points then I would be very pissed off if I never got a ticket for the PBS when someone who only attended home league matches did. There was always going to be a problem with the SC game as there aren't enough tickets to go round. Those that go most often are imo the ones who should be given priority.

The reason there is a different class of supporter is because some fans go to more games than others. It doesn't make them more of a Hibby but it does make them more loyal in terms of attendance. That loyalty should be the only thing that loyalty points is about.

Spot on

[Andy74]

And being on the phone or at the ticket office shows more loyalty than attending home and away games. No-one in the top group isn't a season ticket holder. They are season ticket holders for at least two years who have also attended a good few home cup games and an away game. If I was someone who went to all the home and away games and we never had loyalty points then I would be very pissed off if I never got a ticket for the PBS when someone who only attended home league matches did. There was always going to be a problem with the SC game as there aren't enough tickets to go round. Those that go most often are imo the ones who should be given priority.

The reason there is a different class of supporter is because some fans go to more games than others. It doesn't make them more of a Hibby but it does make them more loyal in terms of attendance. That loyalty should be the only thing that loyalty points is about.

It's a problem that wasn't there though.

It has, however, caused some issues trying to book with others or with kids and it devalues a season ticket.

Is that worth solving that problem that wasn't there?

[Fishwicke]

It's all about personal financial circumstances and buying points. Buying season tickets/cup top ups/away tickets/ shares all cost money and buy points. Some people are able to afford all the above, some not. Just because you can't afford all the above doesn't mean your are less of a fan or less loyal. Present point system does favour the people who can afford to buy points.

[SunshineOnLeith]

And being on the phone or at the ticket office shows more loyalty than attending home and away games. No-one in the top group isn't a season ticket holder. They are season ticket holders for at least two years who have also attended a good few home cup games and an away game. If I was someone who went to all the home and away games and we never had loyalty points then I would be very pissed off if I never got a ticket for the PBS when someone who only attended home league matches did. There was always going to be a problem with the SC game as there aren't enough tickets to go round. Those that go most often are imo the ones who should be given priority.

The reason there is a different class of supporter is because some fans go to more games than others. It doesn't make them more of a Hibby but it does make them more loyal in terms of attendance. That loyalty should be the only thing that loyalty points is about.

In my opinion, the top bracket should be "Season ticket holders". No further qualification. No reference to financial means, attendance at away games, shareholder status etc.

The point I was making about being on the phone etc is that even if you had the first phase of ticket sales for all season ticket holders, it would still take a couple of days to sell out. That's enough time for the 'every game home and away' fans to get themselves sorted.

[SunshineOnLeith]

You`ve made 3 points so 3 replies :
1. I`m very uncomfortable with any idea of " class " of Hibernian supporters . We support the club in many ways ( attending matches with or without season ticket , buying merchandise etc ) during our lives for many different reasons ( family tradition , friends , Irish roots , live ( d ) near ER etc etc ) and to talk of " classes " of Hibernian supporters is not right in any way . ( Realise this is a thread about loyalty points and allocation of match tickets so not saying match attendance should not be rewarded with priority for match tickets ) .
2. Many STHs will be very loyal but so are many non STHs who can`t afford to buy a ST at start of season or who don`t want to sit in same seat every week in case they`re going with different non STHs during season .
3. Probably right but doubt many Hibs fans who don`t read here or on other Hibs sites are bothered . Most people fortunately or unfortunately have other more important things to worry about than

1. It's difficult to discuss this subject without using emotive words like 'loyalty', 'class' or whatever. Rest assured that I'm using 'class' in a strictly administrative way i.e. a sub-division. Similarly, references to loyalty are made only because that's the word Hibs have chosen to use, it's really just an abbreviation for 'going to games points' as far as I'm concerned.

2. True, it's the group I fall in to. But ST holders are the lifeblood of the club and provide the upfront commitment every year that allows Hibs to build a squad and remain competitive. Easter Road is half empty for our games, it's not difficult to move seats to sit with different groups of mates etc.

3. My argument here isn't about people being bothered (I'm not, truth be told. I'll still get tickets/not get tickets for games the same as I always did), it's that having a loyalty points system at all, for Hibs, is pointless. (No pun intended :greengrin )

[lord bunberry]

If these season ticket holders were even semi-regulars at away games then they would be in the top batch for tickets anyway. Is it because it's a cup game at Tynecastle that folk now think "aw that's no fair, I want to go to that one" having never bothered about an away game all season?
That's not true, we've been to nearly every away game this season. My other half and my daughter can't make midweek games, so they've missed out on the points for the cup games. The fact is I wouldn't have been taking them to the derby anyway, so that's not my problem with the system.

[Mibbes Aye]

And being on the phone or at the ticket office shows more loyalty than attending home and away games. No-one in the top group isn't a season ticket holder. They are season ticket holders for at least two years who have also attended a good few home cup games and an away game. If I was someone who went to all the home and away games and we never had loyalty points then I would be very pissed off if I never got a ticket for the PBS when someone who only attended home league matches did. There was always going to be a problem with the SC game as there aren't enough tickets to go round. Those that go most often are imo the ones who should be given priority.

The reason there is a different class of supporter is because some fans go to more games than others. It doesn't make them more of a Hibby but it does make them more loyal in terms of attendance. That loyalty should be the only thing that loyalty points is about.

:agree:

If you buy a season ticket you get priority. If you go to additional games you'll be in a better position. Sounds fair to me.

There are very, very few games where a season ticket holder won't be guaranteed a ticket and that's no change on what went before.

Can't see what people are complaining about.

There is a genuine issue about solving the problem about booking seats together for folk who are in different tranches, otherwise I think the club is doing well. It's funny that before we introduced this, there were posts on here moaning about why we didn't have this in place.

[Andy74]

:agree:

If you buy a season ticket you get priority. If you go to additional games you'll be in a better position. Sounds fair to me.

There are very, very few games where a season ticket holder won't be guaranteed a ticket and that's no change on what went before.

Can't see what people are complaining about.

There is a genuine issue about solving the problem about booking seats together for folk who are in different tranches, otherwise I think the club is doing well. It's funny that before we introduced this, there were posts on here moaning about why we didn't have this in place.

I don't remember this type of arrangement ever being asked for. It's not solving any problem anyone ever had.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't remember this type of arrangement ever being asked for. It's not solving any problem anyone ever had.

How do you know nobody asked for it?

What if multiple people brought it up in behind the goals when board members do their walk round? Perhaps it was discussed at a working together meeting? Someone might be able to confirm if it was/wasn't? Maybe there had been been feedback provided through the various communication lines that demonstrated there was an appetite for this type of thing.

Point I'm trying to make is that the club must have believed there was appetite for it to bother introducing it.

[seanshow]

The loyalty scheme rewards those who attend most, it's simple and I don't have a problem with it,
I'm outside the 1st phase for tynie tickets, but respect how it works and will take my chance in phase 2.


fwiw an example of what use to happen in ye olden days...

A friend who is a season ticket holder had ST's for himself and 2 sons (one who was not a regular attender) back in the day.
There was an important away game with very limited tickets and ST holders were entitled to 2 tickets each. He bought his six ticket entitlement and gave the 3 spare tickets to the eldest sons girlfriend who has never been to easter road before or since. and 2 visiting friends from down south.

........I realise that this scenario is not possible these days, thankfully.

[Super_JMcGinn]

In my opinion, the top bracket should be "Season ticket holders". No further qualification. No reference to financial means, attendance at away games, shareholder status etc.

The point I was making about being on the phone etc is that even if you had the first phase of ticket sales for all season ticket holders, it would still take a couple of days to sell out. That's enough time for the 'every game home and away' fans to get themselves sorted.
I agree wholeheartedly that a season ticket should be top bracket for any game, home or away.

[GreenCastle]

Should they introduce an Away Season Ticket ?

Fans can buy a home season ticket still and a cup top up if they like.

Then pay say £25 to join priority for away tickets?

Wave 1 - Away Season Ticket holders
Wave 2 - Home Season Ticket Holders
Wave 3 - General Sale

[lord bunberry]

Should they introduce an Away Season Ticket ?

Fans can buy a home season ticket still and a cup top up if they like.

Then pay say £25 to join priority for away tickets?

Wave 1 - Away Season Ticket holders
Wave 2 - Home Season Ticket Holders
Wave 3 - General Sale
We should just have a list of names that have attended all the away games from the previous season. The list would only be around 500 or so, give the people on that list a couple of days priority, then just revert back to the old system. I've no problem with rewarding the fans who follow the team around the country, it's just the fact that I can't buy tickets for me and my family at the same time, unless I wait till the points threshold drops.

[lucky]

Every ST holder entered into pot 1 on first day of the season. If you miss 2 consecutive away games you drop into pot 2. Walk ups/members in pot 3

[guillaume]

Should they introduce an Away Season Ticket ?

Fans can buy a home season ticket still and a cup top up if they like.

Then pay say £25 to join priority for away tickets?

Wave 1 - Away Season Ticket holders
Wave 2 - Home Season Ticket Holders
Wave 3 - General Sale

Away attendance should only give fans priority for buying away tickets, not for games in Edinburgh or at neutral venues.

Traditionally buying a season ticket guarantees priority for derbies and cup finals & semis, that shouldn't have been changed.

I don't remember anyone asking for that when a loyalty system was initially discussed.

[jodjam]

All fair points if you take that point of view but is it worth it if people decide not to renew their season tickets?
There are a lot of season ticket holders out there whose purchase makes no financial sense whatsoever. They miss games through work, family commitments, whatever and would be far better of just paying at the gate but they stuck with the season ticket because it gave them the chance of tickets for big games. Now it doesn't do that. Is this system worth risking losing these guys?
I want to watch the best players on the park we can afford and we need as many season ticket holders as possible for that. This system is undermining the season ticket and that is a great shame.


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Summed up nicely. Add to this that to my right at ER there are about 10 empty seats. I'm fairly confident for most games when I walk up that I will sit in same area

[Hermit Crab]

Away attendance should only give fans priority for buying away tickets, not for games in Edinburgh or at neutral venues.

Traditionally buying a season ticket guarantees priority for derbies and cup finals & semis, that shouldn't have been changed.

I don't remember anyone asking for that when a loyalty system was initially discussed.

It's funny how we never used to sell out Tynie now all of a sudden there's a mad rush for tickets and complaints about how they are dished out.

[Onion]

It's funny how we never used to sell out Tynie now all of a sudden there's a mad rush for tickets and complaints about how they are dished out.

Team worth watching and a rare Scottish Cup tie. Not rocket science :rolleyes:

[iwasthere1972]

It's funny how we never used to sell out Tynie now all of a sudden there's a mad rush for tickets and complaints about how they are dished out.


Difference being is that it's the cup.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Difference being is that it's the cup.

And the only derby of the season (unless we draw)

[Onion]

The loyalty scheme rewards those who attend most, it's simple and I don't have a problem with it,
I'm outside the 1st phase for tynie tickets, but respect how it works and will take my chance in phase 2.


fwiw an example of what use to happen in ye olden days...

A friend who is a season ticket holder had ST's for himself and 2 sons (one who was not a regular attender) back in the day.
There was an important away game with very limited tickets and ST holders were entitled to 2 tickets each. He bought his six ticket entitlement and gave the 3 spare tickets to the eldest sons girlfriend who has never been to easter road before or since. and 2 visiting friends from down south.

........I realise that this scenario is not possible these days, thankfully.

That's the theory but Hearts games shows it's doing the opposite for some.

Someone with 390 points who's held a ST for last 2 seasons, went to all home cup matches this season and a few away games could be in same pot as someone who's never been to a Hibs game this season. Their chances of getting a PBS ticket has fallen from roughly 1 in 2 (50%) to 1 in 26 (4%) - assuming 300 left for 7800 fans. Just crazy.:crazy:

[Andy74]

It's funny how we never used to sell out Tynie now all of a sudden there's a mad rush for tickets and complaints about how they are dished out.

Though someone must have complained about how they used to be dished out even if there wasn't a problem??

[TamHibs]

That's the theory but Hearts games shows it's doing the opposite for some.

Someone with 390 points who's held a ST for last 2 seasons, went to all home cup matches this season and a few away games could be in same pot as someone who's never been to a Hibs game this season. Their chances of getting a PBS ticket has fallen from roughly 1 in 2 (50%) to 1 in 26 (4%) - assuming 300 left for 7800 fans. Just crazy.:crazy:

I'm not entirely sure how you've come to that conclusion?

[Scouse Hibee]

That's the theory but Hearts games shows it's doing the opposite for some.

Someone with 390 points who's held a ST for last 2 seasons, went to all home cup matches this season and a few away games could be in same pot as someone who's never been to a Hibs game this season. Their chances of getting a PBS ticket has fallen from roughly 1 in 2 (50%) to 1 in 26 (4%) - assuming 300 left for 7800 fans. Just crazy.:crazy:

How did you work that out? If you've held a ST for two consecutive seasons and been to all the home cup matches and bought a semi ticket you will be in the first wave.

[Keith_M]

The Loyalty Points system is just fine the way it is.

Season Ticket Holders get highest priority when tickets are limited and non ST holders that attend games regularly are are rewarded for their loyalty as well, in terms of the number of points they receive.

The Fans aksed the Club for this system and then aksed for some modifications to it. The Club has listened and, IMO, have delivered.


I honestly don't understand why this is such an issue on this site.

[iwasthere1972]

That's the theory but Hearts games shows it's doing the opposite for some.

Someone with 390 points who's held a ST for last 2 seasons, went to all home cup matches this season and a few away games could be in same pot as someone who's never been to a Hibs game this season. Their chances of getting a PBS ticket has fallen from roughly 1 in 2 (50%) to 1 in 26 (4%) - assuming 300 left for 7800 fans. Just crazy.:crazy:

Are you pickled Onion.

[Andy74]

The Loyalty Points system is just fine the way it is.

Season Ticket Holders get highest priority when tickets are limited and non ST holders that attend games regularly are are rewarded for their loyalty as well, in terms of the number of points they receive.

The Fans aksed the Club for this system and then aksed for some modifications to it. The Club has listened and, IMO, have delivered.


I honestly don't understand why this is such an issue on this site.

The issue is that your first point is incorrect - regular season ticket holders are no longer highest priority.

I think it is also some fans as opposed to 'the fans' that seem to have asked for the system and have been helping to tweak it. Largely by the looks of it to whatever best suits them.

[Scouse Hibee]

The Loyalty Points system is just fine the way it is.

Season Ticket Holders get highest priority when tickets are limited and non ST holders that attend games regularly are are rewarded for their loyalty as well, in terms of the number of points they receive.

The Fans aksed the Club for this system and then aksed for some modifications to it. The Club has listened and, IMO, have delivered.


I honestly don't understand why this is such an issue on this site.

Agree, those in the highest group are season ticket holders,if they weren't they wouldn't be in that group. The sticking point for some is that some ST holders who haven't attended other games aren't. I still think it is fair but can see why others don't and if we lose ST holders over it then it's counter productive.

[Andy74]

Agree, those in the highest group are season ticket holders,if they weren't they wouldn't be in that group. The sticking point for some is that some ST holders who haven't attended other games aren't. I still think it is fair but can see why others don't and if we lose ST holders over it then it's counter productive.

You also need to change the word attended to bought tickets through Hibs.

I've attended a number of away games I didn't get any points for.

[TamHibs]

The issue is that your first point is incorrect - regular season ticket holders are no longer highest priority.

I think it is also some fans as opposed to 'the fans' that seem to have asked for the system and have been helping to tweak it. Largely by the looks of it to whatever best suits them.

Every club operates a loyalty scheme in this way.

I keep mentioning them across the road but they give a certain amount of points for a ST (i'm sure it's somthing like 20), 1 point for every home game attended & away games vary depending on the size of the fixture (you get less loyalty points for an away game at Parkhead than you will by travelling to support the team at Hamilton)

[TamHibs]

You also need to change the word attended to bought tickets through Hibs.

I've attended a number of away games I didn't get any points for.

It's always been made clear that to gain loyalty points for away games, you must purchase tickets directly from Hibs.

[blackpoolhibs]

Will i be allocated any points for attending Saturdays game in the hospitality? :confused:

[Scouse Hibee]

You also need to change the word attended to bought tickets through Hibs.

I've attended a number of away games I didn't get any points for.

Fair point,never realised that was possible.

[Scouse Hibee]

Will i be allocated any points for attending Saturdays game in the hospitality? :confused:

Some will call them sore points :-)

[iwasthere1972]

Fair point,never realised that was possible.

Me too - PTG. Certainly at St Mirren when we cuffed them 4-1. I knew I wouldn't get points (and i would imagine that everybody else who does this also knows) but I couldn't really be bothered going to Easter Road to collect. Didn't want to rely on Royal Mail either.

[Onion]

How did you work that out? If you've held a ST for two consecutive seasons and been to all the home cup matches and bought a semi ticket you will be in the first wave.

ST 14/15 - 150
ST 15/16 - 180
Montrose LC 10
Stranraer LC 10
Aberdeen LC 10
DUFC LC 10
Faith SC 5
St J LC 5
Livi Ch 5
Falkirk Ch 5

Total 390 :brickwall

[iwasthere1972]

ST 14/15 - 150
ST 15/16 - 180
Montrose LC 10
Stranraer LC 10
Aberdeen LC 10
DUFC LC 10
Faith SC 5
St J LC 5
Livi Ch 5
Falkirk Ch 5

Total 390 :brickwall

Did you go to the Petrofac game against the The Rangers?

[Onion]

Are you pickled Onion.

:top marks
I have layers, just not enough for a PBS ticket :greengrin

[Hermit Crab]

Onion;4559746]Team worth watching and a rare Scottish Cup tie. Not rocket science :rolleyes:[/B]
Team worth watching away from home only? :confused: Home attendances are poor for a team worth watching.


iwasthere1972;4559754]Difference being is that it's the cup.
[/B]
Doesn't matter, just as important than league matches yet we rarely sold out Tynecastle in the las 4-5 years.


And the only derby of the season (unless we draw)

I can understand this to be fair.


That's the theory but Hearts games shows it's doing the opposite for some.

Someone with 390 points who's held a ST for last 2 seasons, went to all home cup matches this season and a few away games could be in same pot as someone who's never been to a Hibs game this season. Their chances of getting a PBS ticket has fallen from roughly 1 in 2 (50%) to 1 in 26 (4%) - assuming 300 left for 7800 fans. Just crazy.:crazy:

Complete rubbish, go and do the maths again. At least 395 for home games alone and the Falkirk semi. Not including away games which would take you well over 400.


Andy74;4559796]Though someone must have complained about how they used to be dished out even if there wasn't a problem??

[/B]I'm not sure if somebody did complain but its good that the club are rewarding loyalty instead of it being a free for all with non away attenders getting first shout. Fans who've travelled all over should rightly get priority.

[Hermit Crab]

ST 14/15 - 150
ST 15/16 - 180
Montrose LC 10
Stranraer LC 10
Aberdeen LC 10
DUFC LC 10
Faith SC 5
St J LC 5
Livi Ch 5
Falkirk Ch 5

Total 390 :brickwall


Falkirk semi last season?????

[Billy Whizz]

ST 14/15 - 150
ST 15/16 - 180
Montrose LC 10
Stranraer LC 10
Aberdeen LC 10
DUFC LC 10
Faith SC 5
St J LC 5
Livi Ch 5
Falkirk Ch 5

Total 390 :brickwall

We played 2 Scottish cup games at home last season after the points were introduced. Home to Arbroath and Berwick

[Onion]

Did you go to the Petrofac game against the The Rangers?

Ah, that's where it went wrong :greengrin

[iwasthere1972]

[/B]
Team worth watching away from home only? :confused: Home attendances are poor for a team worth watching.


[/B]
Doesn't matter, just as important than league matches yet we rarely sold out Tynecastle in the las 4-5 years.



[/B]I can understand this to be fair.



[/B]Complete rubbish, go and do the maths again. At least 395 for home games alone and the Falkirk semi. Not including away games which would take you well over 400.



[/B]I'm not sure if somebody did complain but its good that the club are rewarding loyalty instead of it being a free for all with non away attenders getting first shout. Fans who've travelled all over should rightly get priority.

Of course there will be a higher demand for a Scottish Cup match than a league game. It's a one off game and the form book goes out the window as well. How you could argue with that I don't know.

[Onion]

We played 2 Scottish cup games at home last season after the points were introduced. Home to Arbroath and Berwick

I did say this season .... and think you're missing the main point of the 390 - 180 comparison :cb

[iwasthere1972]

Ah, that's where it went wrong :greengrin

It was crap anyway so you didn't really miss anything. Well except the points. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

I did say this season .... and think you're missing the main point of the 390 - 180 comparison :cb

If you'd gone to either, you'd have made the "in crowd"😀

[Hermit Crab]

I did say this season .... and think you're missing the main point of the 390 - 180 comparison :cb

Dumbarton away? QOS away? Morton away? Rangers away x2. All these games went on sale to fans with lower points brackets, you had plenty games to build up points.

[Onion]

Falkirk semi last season?????

This wasn't an exercise in finding matches that someone with 390 points missed :greengrin . It was trying to highlight the stark difference in "loyalty" between someone who's paid for 2 x STs, a bunch of cup matches and a few aways to someone who might not gone to a Hibs match this season.

[marinello59]

I did say this season .... and think you're missing the main point of the 390 - 180 comparison :cb

Unless you have been to every single match for the past ten years including youth games HC will doubt your loyalty. :greengrin

[Onion]

Unless you have been to every single match for the past ten years including youth games HC will doubt your loyalty. :greengrin

I've noticed that :greengrin And need to give myself a damn good thrashing !

[Danderhall Hibs]

This wasn't an exercise in finding matches that someone with 390 points missed :greengrin . It was trying to highlight the stark difference in "loyalty" between someone who's paid for 2 x STs, a bunch of cup matches and a few aways to someone who might not gone to a Hibs match this season.

You're right. - I fall into the bracket you're talking about (different games) but 2 x ST plus various cup games but not all - 2 of them were played in the summer holidays when I was away.

I just get chucked in the pile with someone that had a st last year and didn't renew.

Loyalty?

[Ringothedog]

You're right. - I fall into the bracket you're talking about (different games) but 2 x ST plus various cup games but not all - 2 of them were played in the summer holidays when I was away.

I just get chucked in the pile with someone that had a st last year and didn't renew.

Loyalty?

No you don't,they only get 150 points for last season's season ticket.

[Danderhall Hibs]

No you don't,they only get 150 points for last season's season ticket.

Last season plus a cup top up.