chris gayle cricketer

[Hibee87]

Wtf is tge fuss about? Just read on bbc he has been fined for saying next to nothing to a reporter, ive not heard tge actuall interview granted, but is that not just harmless flirting?
Howmany woman touch a sports players muscles and make a face for a laugh? PC really has gone mad this time imo

[Danderhall Hibs]

I watched it on the Guardian website earlier and I'm not sure how it's being classed as sexist.

Looks like he liked the look of her and thought he'd have a crack at her. Nothing different to every workplace in the world (apart from the microphone and cameras and that).

[Sir David Gray]

It's nonsense.

If a female athlete had said that to a male interviewer, it would be considered as top banter and a bit of harmless fun.

[easty]

When I heard about it, I assumed he'd grabbed her ass or something, and been a pervy creep. It was far from it.

What's the point in being 'famous' if you can't use your fame to help you try and pull? :greengrin

[marinello59]

The reporter was working and he made her feel uncomfortable. It totally lacked respect and rather than see her as a journalist he saw her as a target to hit on. That can't be right.

[easty]

The reporter was working and he made her feel uncomfortable. It totally lacked respect and rather see her as a journalist he saw her as a target to hit on. That can't be right.

It didn't lack respect.

If Chris Gayle had gone to his doctors and chatted her up and asked her out while she tried to work, if he'd gone to his hairdresser and done the same, or someone working behind a bar, nobody would be interested in that story whatsoever. Man chats up woman.

The journalist is milking this for the attention, and it'll probably be good for her career. She'll prob bump into Gayle in 10 years and thank him for it all.

Also, whether she's a good/great/fantastic journalist (I don't know, I'd never heard of her), she wouldn't be where she is if it wasn't for the fact she's pretty. So she's on TV because of it, but doesn't want the attention that goes with it.

[bigwheel]

It didn't lack respect.

If Chris Gayle had gone to his doctors and chatted her up and asked her out while she tried to work, if he'd gone to his hairdresser and done the same, or someone working behind a bar, nobody would be interested in that story whatsoever. Man chats up woman.

The journalist is milking this for the attention, and it'll probably be good for her career. She'll prob bump into Gayle in 10 years and thank him for it all.

Also, whether she's a good/great/fantastic journalist (I don't know, I'd never heard of her), she wouldn't be where she is if it wasn't for the fact she's pretty. So she's on TV because of it, but doesn't want the attention that goes with it.


wow.....that's a view from the 70s on this incident...

it was a) unprofessional and b) completely inappropriate...it made the reporter feel uncomfortable, so it's wrong. It is indeed disrespectful, viewing her as a date opportunity rather than respecting her role as a journalist.

[easty]

wow.....that's a view from the 70s on this incident...

it was a) unprofessional and b) completely inappropriate...it made the reporter feel uncomfortable, so it's wrong. It is indeed disrespectful, viewing her as a date opportunity rather than respecting her role as a journalist.

Why is it a view from the 70s? Is that back in the days when guys asked girls out? Not like nowadays, where you apply in writing in advance to the desired girl, wait for a reply giving the go ahead and a list of approved words/phrases that can be used in the asking out of said girl.

Why are people so easily offended by non-events? Have you actually watched it? A 30 second interview, where he's not pervy, he's not grabbing at her, but he does say he was looking forward to getting an interview with her, seeing her eyes, and says "don't blush baby".

So she felt uncomfortable. So...? If she can't handle an interview as easy as that, then she's in the wrong game altogether.

[bigwheel]

Why is it a view from the 70s? Is that back in the days when guys asked girls out? Not like nowadays, where you apply in writing in advance to the desired girl, wait for a reply giving the go ahead and a list of approved words/phrases that can be used in the asking out of said girl.

Why are people so easily offended by non-events? Have you actually watched it? A 30 second interview, where he's not pervy, he's not grabbing at her, but he does say he was looking forward to getting an interview with her, seeing her eyes, and says "don't blush baby".

So she felt uncomfortable. So...? If she can't handle an interview as easy as that, then she's in the wrong game altogether.


Alright Alf Garnett, if that's what you believe.....others have moved on to a place of more equality and mutual respect..

[easty]

Alright Alf Garnett, if that's what you believe.....others have moved on to a place of more equality and mutual respect..

good point, well made. :rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

Why is it a view from the 70s? Is that back in the days when guys asked girls out? Not like nowadays, where you apply in writing in advance to the desired girl, wait for a reply giving the go ahead and a list of approved words/phrases that can be used in the asking out of said girl.

Why are people so easily offended by non-events? Have you actually watched it? A 30 second interview, where he's not pervy, he's not grabbing at her, but he does say he was looking forward to getting an interview with her, seeing her eyes, and says "don't blush baby".

So she felt uncomfortable. So...? If she can't handle an interview as easy as that, then she's in the wrong game altogether.

I'd imagine most workplaces would take a pretty dim view or calling a female 'baby' and rightly so.

[Hiber-nation]

Bloody hell, some neanderthal views on here. Gayle is a sleazy, lecherous git.

[Sylar]

Bloody hell, some neanderthal views on here. Gayle is a sleazy, lecherous git.

It's all just 'bants' don't you know :rolleyes:

Pitiful. Truly, truly pitiful.

[easty]

I'd imagine most workplaces would take a pretty dim view or calling a female 'baby' and rightly so.

And it's not a word I would use, but it's hardly offensive. I don't know if in the West Indies it's more common to use it.

[easty]

It's nonsense.

If a female athlete had said that to a male interviewer, it would be considered as top banter and a bit of harmless fun.


https://youtu.be/c-FIfVfvOMo

I didn't hear about Sharapova being fined. But she didn't say "baby" so maybe it was ok?

[easty]

Bloody hell, some neanderthal views on here. Gayle is a sleazy, lecherous git.

which ones are they?

You might well be right about Gayle, I don't follow cricket, I don't know anything about him. In this instance your description of him isn't at all correct though.

[DH1875]

Are we saying its wrong to ask someone out if their working or are we saying the way he went about it is the problem? I know plenty people who have dated and even married someone they met through work.
Has no one ever tried to pull the barmaid when they have been on a night out?

[Hibrandenburg]

Why is it a view from the 70s? Is that back in the days when guys asked girls out? Not like nowadays, where you apply in writing in advance to the desired girl, wait for a reply giving the go ahead and a list of approved words/phrases that can be used in the asking out of said girl.

Why are people so easily offended by non-events? Have you actually watched it? A 30 second interview, where he's not pervy, he's not grabbing at her, but he does say he was looking forward to getting an interview with her, seeing her eyes, and says "don't blush baby".

So she felt uncomfortable. So...? If she can't handle an interview as easy as that, then she's in the wrong game altogether.

There's a time and a place for "hitting" on members of the opposite sex and whilst they're trying to carry out their job is not one of them. The way he did it was as sleazy as it gets and the distaste is shown all over his face. Now I'm no silver tongued cavalier but I'd think the only appropriate time to make comments like he did would be after receiving some signals from her that she might be interested and going by her reaction to what he said I'd doubt she was.

[easty]

There's a time and a place for "hitting" on members of the opposite sex and whilst they're trying to carry out their job is not one of them. The way he did it was as sleazy as it gets and the distaste is shown all over his face. Now I'm no silver tongued cavalier but I'd think the only appropriate time to make comments like he did would be after receiving some signals from her that she might be interested and going by her reaction to what he said I'd doubt she was.

I disagree with all of that.

There's no time and place (within reason - don't chat up a widow at her late husbands funeral)

He wasn't sleazy.

You don't need to receive signals before you start hitting on someone.

[bigwheel]

I disagree with all of that.

There's no time and place (within reason - don't chat up a widow at her late husbands funeral)

He wasn't sleazy.

You don't need to receive signals before you start hitting on someone.


Do you think it will be easy for a female journalist to secure respect in the world of sports? Do you think it would be a smooth journey for this journo as she looked to secure professional credit ability in a dominantly male world? Do you think this event helped her feel equal in this environment?

The use of "baby" is not a respectful term. It certainly is not appropriate in a work setting. Think about the journo's reaction. You do realise that her face going red, was probably a sign of anger, more than embarrassment.

She would have had every right to be angry.

[Hibrandenburg]

I disagree with all of that.

There's no time and place (within reason - don't chat up a widow at her late husbands funeral)

He wasn't sleazy.

You don't need to receive signals before you start hitting on someone.

Wow, so you consider it OK to hit on women even though your advances may be unwelcome or even insulting?

[stoneyburn hibs]

I definitely would.

[easty]

Do you think it will be easy for a female journalist to secure respect in the world of sports? Do you think it would be a smooth journey for this journo as she looked to secure professional credit ability in a dominantly male world? Do you think this event helped her feel equal in this environment?

The use of "baby" is not a respectful term. It certainly is not appropriate in a work setting. Think about the journo's reaction. You do realise that her face going red, was probably a sign of anger, more than embarrassment.

She would have had every right to be angry.

There are loads of female sports journalists. Half the Sky Sports News crew are UK versions of this girl. I don't think it's nearly as difficult a journey for her as you're alluding to.

Making this about 'equality' makes more of it than it needs to be, this isn't a situation about men feeling women aren't as important and as such they can disregard them as real professionals, it was simply a guy hitting on a girl.

I don't think her face does go red, and she doesn't look angry. She looks uncomfortable.

[bigwheel]

There are loads of female sports journalists. Half the Sky Sports News crew are UK versions of this girl. I don't think it's nearly as difficult a journey for her as you're alluding to.

Making this about 'equality' makes more of it than it needs to be, this isn't a situation about men feeling women aren't as important and as such they can disregard them as real professionals, it was simply a guy hitting on a girl.

I don't think her face does go red, and she doesn't look angry. She looks uncomfortable.


To be honest, your views are coming over more like a parody wth every answer....

You seem to have no sense that these actions have undermined this journo while she was simply doing her job.

[easty]

Wow, so you consider it OK to hit on women even though your advances may be unwelcome or even insulting?

You should be a politician, nice way to turn what I said, into something I didn't actually say. :aok:

You said - Now I'm no silver tongued cavalier but I'd think the only appropriate time to make comments like he did would be after receiving some signals from her that she might be interested

I said - You don't need to receive signals before you start hitting on someone

And I stand by that. If you want to chat someone up, then do it. If they're not interested then that's up to them, but you don't need to beat around the bush for 'signals' before you begin.

[easty]

To be honest, your views are coming over more like a parody wth every answer....

You seem to have no sense that these actions have undermined this journo while she was simply doing her job.

More like a parody of what?

[bigwheel]

You should be a politician, nice way to turn what I said, into something I didn't actually say. :aok:

You said - Now I'm no silver tongued cavalier but I'd think the only appropriate time to make comments like he did would be after receiving some signals from her that she might be interested

I said - You don't need to receive signals before you start hitting on someone

And I stand by that. If you want to chat someone up, then do it. If they're not interested then that's up to them, but you don't need to beat around the bush for 'signals' before you begin.

In a work place environment , your views are called "sexual harassment ".


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[easty]

In a work place environment , your views are called "sexual harassment ".


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I can go up to someone in my work and ask them out, that's not sexual harassment.

[marinello59]

I can go up to someone in my work and ask them out, that's not sexual harassment.

If you interrupted them during a presentation to do it then it would be.

[easty]

If you interrupted them during a presentation to do it then it would be.

I don't think anyone would interrupt a presentation to ask someone out.

If a girl at my work came to my desk and was asking me about work, and I asked her out then, I wouldnt get in trouble for that.

[marinello59]

I don't think anyone would interrupt a presentation to ask someone out.

If a girl at my work came to my desk and was asking me about work, and I asked her out then, I wouldnt get in trouble for that.

Gayle did the equivalent of interrupting a presentation when he hit on this journalist whilst she was attempting to interview him . Surely you can see that?

[easty]

Gayle did the equivalent of interrupting a presentation when he hit on this journalist whilst she was attempting to interview him . Surely you can see that?

I can see the point you're trying to make, but it's not the same.

[Hibrandenburg]

You should be a politician, nice way to turn what I said, into something I didn't actually say. :aok:

You said - Now I'm no silver tongued cavalier but I'd think the only appropriate time to make comments like he did would be after receiving some signals from her that she might be interested

I said - You don't need to receive signals before you start hitting on someone

And I stand by that. If you want to chat someone up, then do it. If they're not interested then that's up to them, but you don't need to beat around the bush for 'signals' before you begin.

So yes then!

[Allant1981]

Really cant see what the big deal is, guy thought he was in with a chance and went for it, he didnt touch her, say anything rude to her so whats the big deal, im glad i didnt wait on my mrs giving me signals to chat her up or id still be waiting now

[TRC]

If she said during the i interview if he would go out with her would there be the same outcry, not seen the clip so can't comment on the sleezyness

[bigwheel]

I'm pretty stunned that there are people here supporting or defending Gayle's remarks as a "bit of fun"....A woman in that (and many other) profession(s) will have to put up with that sort of nonsense time and time again...Why should they?


Here's a report from some of the people involved or around this incident..

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/05/chris-gayle-cricket-sexism-reporter-mel-mclaughlin-equality

[Pete]

Really cant see what the big deal is, guy thought he was in with a chance and went for it, he didnt touch her, say anything rude to her so whats the big deal, im glad i didnt wait on my mrs giving me signals to chat her up or id still be waiting now

He could have waited until after the interview. It just smacks of him trying to be the big man on TV at the expense of some girls embarrassment.

[Hibrandenburg]

He could have waited until after the interview. It just smacks of him trying to be the big man on TV at the expense of some girls embarrassment.

:agree:

[Pretty Boy]

He could have waited until after the interview. It just smacks of him trying to be the big man on TV at the expense of some girls embarrassment.

Spot on.

Waiting 5 minutes to ask her out would have been showing a little bit respect. To continue the work analogy from earlier in the thread if a man at work waits until a quiet moment or lunch or whatever and asks a lady out and accepts the answer it's not an issue. If he decides to make comments about her eyes and call her baby in the middle of a team meeting so that everyone can hear he could expect bother. In Gayles case substitute team meeting for potential tv audience of millions.

[Danderhall Hibs]

He could have waited until after the interview. It just smacks of him trying to be the big man on TV at the expense of some girls embarrassment.

I agree with this.

But I do find the fake outrage surrounding the whole thing a bit annoying.

[Tyler Durden]

I agree with this.

But I do find the fake outrage surrounding the whole thing a bit annoying.

Where is the fake outrage?

He was bang out of order, his club have fined him for his behaviour towards a respected journalist, lots of people who'd never heard of him before now realise he's an idiot.

He's been dealt with but unfortunately it's still all too predictable than some folk will say "What's all the fuss about, PC gone mad" etc

[Danderhall Hibs]

Where is the fake outrage?

He was bang out of order, his club have fined him for his behaviour towards a respected journalist, lots of people who'd never heard of him before now realise he's an idiot.

He's been dealt with but unfortunately it's still all too predictable than some folk will say "What's all the fuss about, PC gone mad" etc

Where is it? On the news, on here.

Unless it's not fake and it's real? That would surprise me.

[Tyler Durden]

Where is it? On the news, on here.

Unless it's not fake and it's real? That would surprise me.

I don't see outrage. Just people who recognise Gayle is a dick.

[Sir David Gray]

I'll repeat what I said in my previous post.

If a female athlete had said that to a male interviewer, does anyone seriously believe that we would be having this discussion?

[bigwheel]

I'll repeat what I said in my previous post.

If a female athlete had said that to a male interviewer, does anyone seriously believe that we would be having this discussion?

A male reporter doesn't have to struggle for credibility in his sports profession , and more importantly, they don't have to put up with it 10 times a day ...

Your point gives no regard for the context


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[Sir David Gray]

A male reporter doesn't have to struggle for credibility in his sports profession , and more importantly, they don't have to put up with it 10 times a day ...

Your point gives no regard for the context


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So the answer to my question is no then?

[bigwheel]

So the answer to my question is no then?

The answer is you are asking the wrong question


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[heretoday]

He was a bit sleazy right enough. No need to do that on air. It's not cricket.

[--------]

Those defending him ARE aware that they have Piers Morgan agreeing with them?

PIERS MORGAN? :sick:


The interview was inappropriate and unprofessional. Whether we've heard of her or not, McLaughlin's a respected journalist. To call any woman 'baby' is an insult - the sort of expression you hear actors using in films from the 1960's.

The equivalent of a male journalist addressing him as 'boy' in front of a camera?

[Steve-O]

It didn't lack respect.

If Chris Gayle had gone to his doctors and chatted her up and asked her out while she tried to work, if he'd gone to his hairdresser and done the same, or someone working behind a bar, nobody would be interested in that story whatsoever. Man chats up woman.

The journalist is milking this for the attention, and it'll probably be good for her career. She'll prob bump into Gayle in 10 years and thank him for it all.

Also, whether she's a good/great/fantastic journalist (I don't know, I'd never heard of her), she wouldn't be where she is if it wasn't for the fact she's pretty. So she's on TV because of it, but doesn't want the attention that goes with it.

The journalist hasn't "milked it" one bit and is very well known in Australia/NZ after having spent several years having covered football down here.

She then got a bigger job on Network TV.

It was cringeworthy from Gayle.

[Steve-O]

I heard a guy at work today saying it was fine as Gayle is just "one of the lads". I cringed all over again and vowed to try and never be within earshot of said person again.

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I heard a guy at work today saying it was fine as Gayle is just "one of the lads". I cringed all over again and vowed to try and never be within earshot of said person again.


Gayle has form for this sort of thing.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/content/story/786295.html

Four or five paras from the end:

Yes, we do need feminism. I noted two incidents that took place within a few days of each other, back in July, on different sides of the globe. One was a remark Chris Gayle made, ahead of a CPL match, in which he was asked at a press conference by a female journalist: "How does the pitch feel so far in terms of the training and the weather?" Gayle responded: "Well, I haven't touched yours yet so I don't know how it feels." As a female cricket journalist, I know how humiliated I would feel if any cricketer refused to take my question seriously because I was a woman.

The second incident took place in Pakistan, the culmination of an ongoing series of events that began when, back in 2013, five young cricketers from the Multan Cricket Club in Pakistan alleged that they were facing sexual harassment. They stated that the club chairman and one of the club selectors had demanded sexual favours in return for a place on the team. The incident was investigated, but seemingly half-heartedly, with a two-member Pakistan Cricket Board inquiry committee interviewing only three of the cricketers, who subsequently revoked their allegations. All five women were then banned from playing for six months, and were left facing a defamation suit brought by club chairman Maulvi Sultan.

Cricket, like most other sports, has a problem with 'lads' like Gayle and worse, as the second incident reported in the link above demonstrates. Another reference:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2015-16/content/story/957971.html

Gayle should remember that it wasn't so very long ago that the West Indian cricketers had to fight to be taken seriously by world cricket, and better men than he won respect by being the very best there was on the cricket field.

Since then he and his colleagues have collectively under-performed so long that WI are close to becoming the joke of Test cricket.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I heard a guy at work today saying it was fine as Gayle is just "one of the lads". I cringed all over again and vowed to try and never be within earshot of said person again.

Bit of an over reaction eh?

[derekHFC]

I've read this thread and its content with interest.

What are the thoughts on this from MORGAN (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3388902/PIERS-MORGAN-Ellen-DeGeneres-sexist-pig-treating-Chris-Hemsworth-like-slab-meat-night-just-bit-fun-Time-cut-hypocrisy-ladies-consistent-sexism.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailceleb)

Is it wrong that she done this or is this just a laugh?

[Scouse Hibee]

It seems to me that if a woman does something similar it's more often than not treated as humour and a bit of a laugh. Switch to a male and he's hung drawn and quarteted by the media and the whole women trying to make their way in a male dominated world is trotted out. Was it the appropriate time and place, definately not. However in my opinion also not the huge issue it has been made out to be.

[Sir David Gray]

It seems to me that if a woman does something similar it's more often than not treated as humour and a bit of a laugh. Switch to a male and he's hung drawn and quarteted by the media and the whole women trying to make their way in a male dominated world is trotted out. Was it the appropriate time and place, definately not. However in my opinion also not the huge issue it has been made out to be.

I find myself agreeing with you more and more these days.

It feels strange. :greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

Spot on.

Waiting 5 minutes to ask her out would have been showing a little bit respect. To continue the work analogy from earlier in the thread if a man at work waits until a quiet moment or lunch or whatever and asks a lady out and accepts the answer it's not an issue. If he decides to make comments about her eyes and call her baby in the middle of a team meeting so that everyone can hear he could expect bother. In Gayles case substitute team meeting for potential tv audience of millions.

This.

There was nothing wrong with him 'hitting' on her, the time and place he chose to do it was.

[Scouse Hibee]

I find myself agreeing with you more and more these days.

It feels strange. :greengrin

Indeed :-)

[Betty Boop]

I've read this thread and its content with interest.

What are the thoughts on this from MORGAN (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3388902/PIERS-MORGAN-Ellen-DeGeneres-sexist-pig-treating-Chris-Hemsworth-like-slab-meat-night-just-bit-fun-Time-cut-hypocrisy-ladies-consistent-sexism.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailceleb)

Is it wrong that she done this or is this just a laugh?

Men getting a bit back ? About time ! :greengrin

[Hannah_hfc]

To those who don't understand how this is unacceptable, wow, just wow.

To the 'why can't a man ask a woman out' brigade, consider the fact that there appropriate and inappropriate times to ask out women. In front of a camera during a live interview and an audience is most definitely an inappropriate moment. Without a doubt. And more importantly, what woman who has worked her way up in sports broadcasting is going to break her professionalism and say yeah sure while cameras are rolling. It was a stupid, disrespectful move and credit to her for keeping her cool about it.

If he was serious in his interest and genuinly had any respect for the reporter he surely would have asked her away from the camera and after the interview.

Of course a man can ask out a woman he's attracted to. This story with Gayle shows there's a time and a place for it.

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[Hibrandenburg]

I've read this thread and its content with interest.

What are the thoughts on this from MORGAN (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3388902/PIERS-MORGAN-Ellen-DeGeneres-sexist-pig-treating-Chris-Hemsworth-like-slab-meat-night-just-bit-fun-Time-cut-hypocrisy-ladies-consistent-sexism.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailceleb)

Is it wrong that she done this or is this just a laugh?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[RyeSloan]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

They sure don't but it's a valid question to ask why the reaction to two rather similar incidents is so vastly different is it not?

[bigwheel]

They sure don't but it's a valid question to ask why the reaction to two rather similar incidents is so vastly different is it not?

The "what about when women do it" is akin to saying..."why don't people react that way when a black guy uses the N word.."

It completely misses the underlying social context and issues....

[Danderhall Hibs]

The "what about when women do it" is akin to saying..."why don't people react that way when a black guy uses the N word.."

It completely misses the underlying social context and issues....


I don't get it. Can you break it down for me - why was there no uproar when Sharapova done similar?

[bigwheel]

I don't get it. Can you break it down for me - why was there no uproar when Sharapova done similar?

I would have thought the point I made above makes that clear....Rather than read any more of my words, have a read a few posts back to Hannah hfc view...there is a view of a woman on this topic......

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I don't get it. Can you break it down for me - why was there no uproar when Sharapova done similar?

Folk seem to be trying to make a mountain out of 2 molehills. :-)

[Danderhall Hibs]

I would have thought the point I made above makes that clear....Rather than read any more of my words, have a read a few posts back to Hannah hfc view...there is a view of a woman on this topic......

Nah it's not clear. I think that's the problem.

[CapitalGreen]

Folk seem to be trying to be making a mountain out of 2 molehills. :-)

Banter

[DH1875]

If I go out this weekend and try to pull the barmaid while she's working, is that wrong?

[Future17]

The "what about when women do it" is akin to saying..."why don't people react that way when a black guy uses the N word.."

It completely misses the underlying social context and issues....

FWIW, I watched the footage and I think it's creepy, but I would consider that to be my own subjective view which may or may not be shared by others.

I also think it's inappropriate but, again, that's a subjective view which may or may not be shared by others. As the incident occurred in a working environment, it's for Gayle's employers, McLaughlin's employers and the league authority to decide how they wish to deal with the incident. My understanding is that has now happened.

What I don't think it is, is sexist. Sexism is discrimination based on gender. Admittedly, it's an assumption on my part, but I'm guessing Gayle didn't say what he said simply because she's female; I assume he said it because he finds her attractive. Would he have acted the same way towards any female doing McLaughlin's job? I very much doubt it.

Sexism, just like racism, is very much alive and kicking in society and that needs to be eradicated. However, labelling an incident as sexist or racist when it isn't only serves to harm that objective.


I would have thought the point I made above makes that clear....Rather than read any more of my words, have a read a few posts back to Hannah hfc view...there is a view of a woman on this topic......

Despite your good intentions, ironically, placing less weight on the opinion of a man over the opinion of a woman on this issue is actually sexist.

[easty]

If I go out this weekend and try to pull the barmaid while she's working, is that wrong?

Yes. You should wait to see if she gives you signs first, then wait til she's off duty, otherwise you're not respecting her, or her career.

If however you are the barman, and a girl comes and asks you out, that's fine, cos of the social context and issues.

[easty]

What I don't think it is, is sexist. Sexism is discrimination based on gender. Admittedly, it's an assumption on my part, but I'm guessing Gayle didn't say what he said simply because she's female; I assume he said it because he finds her attractive. Would he have acted the same way towards any female doing McLaughlin's job? I very much doubt it.

Sexism, just like racism, is very much alive and kicking in society and that needs to be eradicated. However, labelling an incident as sexist or racist when it isn't only serves to harm that objective.



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[bigwheel]

FWIW, I watched the footage and I think it's creepy, but I would consider that to be my own subjective view which may or may not be shared by others.

I also think it's inappropriate but, again, that's a subjective view which may or may not be shared by others. As the incident occurred in a working environment, it's for Gayle's employers, McLaughlin's employers and the league authority to decide how they wish to deal with the incident. My understanding is that has now happened.

What I don't think it is, is sexist. Sexism is discrimination based on gender. Admittedly, it's an assumption on my part, but I'm guessing Gayle didn't say what he said simply because she's female; I assume he said it because he finds her attractive. Would he have acted the same way towards any female doing McLaughlin's job? I very much doubt it.

Sexism, just like racism, is very much alive and kicking in society and that needs to be eradicated. However, labelling an incident as sexist or racist when it isn't only serves to harm that objective.



Despite your good intentions, ironically, placing less weight on the opinion of a man over the opinion of a woman on this issue is actually sexist.

oh baloney ..i was simply suggesting rather than read my opinion to read a view from a different perspective.


anyway I'm so bored with this thread now , I am ..as they say in Dragon's Den...out...

[Hannah_hfc]

If I go out this weekend and try to pull the barmaid while she's working, is that wrong?
Tbh having worked behind bars a long time, it's moreso annoying ;)


Yes. You should wait to see if she gives you signs first, then wait til she's off duty, otherwise you're not respecting her, or her career.

If however you are the barman, and a girl comes and asks you out, that's fine, cos of the social context and issues.

Barmen and barmaids get it all the time, however I've yet to see anyone from either side actually interested in a drunk customer chatting them up :greengrin

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[Sylar]

If I go out this weekend and try to pull the barmaid while she's working, is that wrong?

Let's ask your wife? :greengrin

[DH1875]

Let's ask your wife? :greengrin

She'll be sitting next to me ;)


Only joking, she doesnt swing like that. IF she did though, would it be all right for her to ask the barmaid out?

[lord bunberry]

Having just watched it I think he should be ashamed of himself.. He started with what I would call a bit of cheeky banter, but at that point it was clearly obvious he was making the girl feel very uncomfortable. He should've stopped right there, but he continued despite her obvious discomfort. I would've loved if she had told him to **** right off.

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If I go out this weekend and try to pull the barmaid while she's working, is that wrong?

I don't know how it is now, but in the past trying to 'pull' the barmaid while she was working would get you barred permanently.

I would imagine that if you tried it, got the brush-off and then persisted, you would very likely still be asked to leave.

Gayle has done similar in the past. He clearly thinks he's God's gift to women, and in addition has an arrogant and dismissive attitude to female journalists and presenters, an attitude that's unacceptable in the present day in any sporting context - though I'm well aware that plenty of sportsmen (including a lot of male cricketers) share it.

His behaviour in that interview was contemptuous and demeaning towards a professional journalist who was simply trying to do her job. She spoke courteously and professionally to him, and he treated her as if she some sort of bimbo unworthy of even reasonable good manners. I'm sure female sports journalists have to contend with this attitude regularly from Gayle and other cricketers, but they shouldn't have to.

Gayle behaved like the arrogant moron he apparently is. Some of us who follow cricket regularly weren't in the least surprised. As I say - he has form for being a sexist chauvinist asshole.

[HibsMax]

I just watched it on youtube and if I hadn't read this thread first, I wouldn't have thought that much about it. It's not like he was, "Heyyyyyy, babbbby, how about me and you make the beast with two backs". Yes, he did use the word "baby" but, to me, it didn't come over as overly inappropriate. I don't know the guy but it seemed like he was having a little fun, all laughs and smiles, and he even apologised to her after.

I understand the importance of gender equality and the uphill struggles that face some women, but I think this is blown out of proportion.

>>How about this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc65NC44dSk)<< I think Suzy Kolber handles herself very well in arguably a more awkward moment. This link is not being shared as defence for Gayle.

Edit: I also shared the Gayle video with my wife without giving her any context. She thinks the "baby" remark is a little off but overall she sees it as being a little bit of fun.