*Netflix* Making a Murderer

[Matty_Jack04]

Has anyone watched this docu series on Netflix? I've recently finished binging on it, not the most festive viewing but I couldn't stop watching its incredible on many different levels! now it's done I can't stop thinking about it was looking for other people's opinions on it

[Future17]

I didn't know anything about it until I read this:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/132433-anonymous-claims-steven-avery-of-making-a-murderer-was-set-up-they-say-they-can

Sounds interesting so might try and watch it if I can find the time over New Year.

[easty]

I posted about it on the PM board the other day, I've watched the first 4 episodes, it's excellent.

[Matty_Jack04]

I posted about it on the PM board the other day, I've watched the first 4 episodes, it's excellent.

It really is, I won't say much on it as I'm not wanting to ruin it for you be interested to hear ur thoughts at the end though

[Squealing pig]

Narcos also a good watch on Netflix

[Since90+2]

I spent the first couple of episodes thinking it was a made for TV series. Watching it I can't believe it actually happened , some of the interviews with Brendan Avery who has a mental age of about 10 are shocking.

I would say it's the best viewing on TV since the Sopranos.

[Matty_Jack04]

I spent the first couple of episodes thinking it was a made for TV series. Watching it I can't believe it actually happened , some of the interviews with Brendan Avery who has a mental age of about 10 are shocking.

I would say it's the best viewing on TV since the Sopranos.

Totally agree I found it pretty hard to watch and even harder to beleive what was allowed to happen to Brendan Avery

[Betty Boop]

Just brilliant watched the whole ten episodes in a oner. Highly recommended. :top marks

[Tyler Durden]

SPOILERS AHEAD....

Also binged this over the weekend. Don't know where to start - I can't get over the press conference that the prosecution were allowed to hold and put "Brendan's story" out there. Mind boggling!

Also since read the jury included the father of a Manitowoc sheriff deputy, aswell as the wife of a council clerk. Is it any wonder they failed to return a fair verdict...

Think there are petitions out there to free Steve Avery rapidly heading for 150-200 thousand signatures. Doubt it will make any difference of course.

Never felt so angry watching TV. The 2 main investigators are total pieces of ****, how can they sleep at night taking this kids life from him, and for what?

A scary world at times!

[Matty_Jack04]

SPOILERS AHEAD....

Also binged this over the weekend. Don't know where to start - I can't get over the press conference that the prosecution were allowed to hold and put "Brendan's story" out there. Mind boggling!

Also since read the jury included the father of a Manitowoc sheriff deputy, aswell as the wife of a council clerk. Is it any wonder they failed to return a fair verdict...

Think there are petitions out there to free Steve Avery rapidly heading for 150-200 thousand signatures. Doubt it will make any difference of course.

Never felt so angry watching TV. The 2 main investigators are total pieces of ****, how can they sleep at night taking this kids life from him, and for what?

A scary world at times!

**SPOILERS**

Couldnt beleive that after Bredans lawyer was thrown out for allowing that classroom interview to happen without him having anybody present they allowed the actual statement to stand from that day it was madness.

also the thing that got me the most confused was in stevens trial, after the jury member was allowed to leave for personnal reasons he had 3 choices, miss trial, stay with 11 jury memebers or add another member, and he went for adding another! now they must have been massively confident of getting the verdict why would his lawyers allow someone new to join the jury in a case they seemed convinced was a cover up and police conspiracy case? also they said before the new jurior was added it was 7 for not guillty 3 for guilty and 2 undecided, in 24hrs after the new guy was introduced it was swung to guillty, big error there i think.

it was a great watch but its left me a bit miffed that something like that could actually happen to someone

[Mikey09]

On episode 5. Absolutely incredible film making and utterly disturbing story... So far!! Will watch the rest tomorrow.

[Mango Man]

I've watched it twice already, unbelievable story, really harrowing and leaves you with a very bitter taste.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Just watched all ten episodes in two days - fascinating from the start and a real insight into the US justice system.

I'm not sure why Steven's defence couldn't call Brendan as a witness - that would have blown the whole case apart?

I'm assuming there won't be a second series.

[Pretty Boy]

Half way through episode 4.

Thus far there is no doubt the 1st case was farcical. I'm undecided on the murder as of yet but I'm sure there's more to come which will make me see why everyone is so convinced he's innocent.

[Hibby70]

Just finished it. Brilliant piece of to. Now off to find more info as I've no doubt the doc was one sided.

[Tyler Durden]

Just watched all ten episodes in two days - fascinating from the start and a real insight into the US justice system.

I'm not sure why Steven's defence couldn't call Brendan as a witness - that would have blown the whole case apart?

I'm assuming there won't be a second series.

In what way would it blow the case apart? Remember that the prosecution basically abandoned that story during Averys trial ...they didn't claim Dassey was involved. In closing the prosecutor said one man was responsible. Which made it so ridiculous that they could then go on and use a different story during Dasseys trial for a different jury.

[Tyler Durden]

Just finished it. Brilliant piece of to. Now off to find more info as I've no doubt the doc was one sided.

If you're on Twitter it's worth looking at some of the links on Rolling Stone page. Plus one of the film-makers Moira Demos and Avery's lawyer Jerry Buting.

I have read a ton of stories in the past 10 days. The prosecutor Ken Kratz claimed lots of important evidence was left out of the doc. Avery buying leg shackles, ex prison cell mates claiming he talked about rape and murder while in jail, sweat DNA on the car hood, Avery previously asking for Halbach that day.

Having read all this and defence responses, I still there is massive doubt as to Avery's guilt. No fair jury could find him guilty. Unsurprising then, that it transpires one juror said they changed their view as they felt their safety was threatened. One juror was a volunteer for the Sheriff dept and his son was a deputy at the time of trial. That the defends knew this but still didn't deem this person worthy of inclusion on their 6 "blackball" candidates, shows what they were up against

[SuperAllyMcleod]

In what way would it blow the case apart? Remember that the prosecution basically abandoned that story during Averys trial ...they didn't claim Dassey was involved. In closing the prosecutor said one man was responsible. Which made it so ridiculous that they could then go on and use a different story during Dasseys trial for a different jury.

The general perception was that the Dassey story was common knowledge to all and that they had to slowly drip feed an alternative story to the jurors to cast doubt on it.

If they had Dassey testify could they not have rubbished his version of events by pointing out the lack of DNA in the trailer to begin with.

The prosecution only abandoned it because they could see all the holes in the story.

I agree that the second trial going ahead was unbelievable - never mind the subsequent outcome.

[matty_f]

Just watching this niw, about halfway through and absolutely gripped by it.

[Hibrandenburg]

Watching this with the Mrs and each episode lasts about 2 hours because we keep pausing to discuss every new twist. Great conversation creator and mind bogglingly scary.

[Sylar]

My wife and I are on episode three now and have twisted and turned a few times in our own opinion.

I'm still with 'Occam's Razor' for the time being but it'll be interesting to see the narrative of a conspiracy undoubtedly emerge!

[Pete]

I think it was the first three episodes I watched and I haven't been back to it.

I don't know but it just seems like the sort of program that should be condensed into one hour and shown on channel five.

[bigwheel]

I think it was the first three episodes I watched and I haven't been back to it.

I don't know but it just seems like the sort of program that should be condensed into one hour and shown on channel five.

The story moves in quite different directions from episode 4 ...it is worth keeping at. You'll be surprised at some of it

[overdrive]

I think it was the first three episodes I watched and I haven't been back to it.

I don't know but it just seems like the sort of program that should be condensed into one hour and shown on channel five.

You're in luck
http://www.thewrap.com/making-a-murderer-5-things-we-learned-from-ids-steven-avery-special/

[#FromTheCapital]

I think it was the first three episodes I watched and I haven't been back to it.

I don't know but it just seems like the sort of program that should be condensed into one hour and shown on channel five.

It took a while to really get going, I remember asking what all the fuss was about after the first couple of episodes. It starts getting really interesting when the trial starts, so definitely worth sticking with it.

[easty]

I don't think it took a while to get interesting, as such, but the end of the 4th episode was brilliant.

[matty_f]

I don't think it took a while to get interesting, as such, but the end of the 4th episode was brilliant.

I agree with this. I really enjoyed it, and was caught up in it properly at the end of the second one. If the day was long enough I'd have gone through them all in one sitting!

[Hibrandenburg]

The more I watch the more I'm convinced that the prosecutor Kratz is himself a serial killer. There's something unhinged and creepy about that guy. Also I can't look at Dassey's lawyer without thinking about Rick Moranis.

[Sylar]

I don't think it took a while to get interesting, as such, but the end of the 4th episode was brilliant.

Got there last night and was genuinely aghast.

It's like the plot of a Columbo story - it's so utterly unbelievable that it would be enjoyable if it wasn't so tragically real!

[Hibby70]

Love stuff like this.

I recommend Paradise Lost.

[Hibrandenburg]

Watched the last episode last night. Think the whole story is a mirror of American society in that if the establishment feels threatened then it'll start circling the wagons. Deplorable.

[EH6 Hibby]

Love stuff like this.

I recommend Paradise Lost.

Is this about the West Memphis Three?

I'm not one for complaining usually but that documentary should have had a warning attached to it for the opening scenes. Absolutely horrific. I don't know why there was a need to show what they did.

Apart from that, it was really good.

[Future17]

Watched the last episode last night. Think the whole story is a mirror of American society in that if the establishment feels threatened then it'll start circling the wagons. Deplorable.

And your Kratz prediction wasn't far off! :greengrin

This was online the other day: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35753784/steven-averys-lawyer-claims-airtight-alibi-in-making-a-murderer-case

Not sure about "airtight" but will obviously depend on the specific details.

[Hibrandenburg]

And your Kratz prediction wasn't far off! :greengrin

This was online the other day: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35753784/steven-averys-lawyer-claims-airtight-alibi-in-making-a-murderer-case

Not sure about "airtight" but will obviously depend on the specific details.

I knew he was dodgy :greengrin

Hope something comes of her claim but nothing will ever make things right in this case.

[Hibby70]

Is this about the West Memphis Three?

I'm not one for complaining usually but that documentary should have had a warning attached to it for the opening scenes. Absolutely horrific. I don't know why there was a need to show what they did.

Apart from that, it was really good.

That's right. There was a follow up documentary which showed even more pictures. I was in tears watching it. Very very interesting though when they got the Ex FBI forensic guy in though - basically tore the evidence to shreds.

[DH1875]

Anyone else watched the Central Park Five? Would have been immense if they'd had been able to make it the same way/depth of Making a Murderer.

[EH6 Hibby]

That's right. There was a follow up documentary which showed even more pictures. I was in tears watching it. Very very interesting though when they got the Ex FBI forensic guy in though - basically tore the evidence to shreds.

It's terrifying to think the real culprit(s) are still out there.


Anyone else watched the Central Park Five? Would have been immense if they'd had been able to make it the same way/depth of Making a Murderer.

I watched this a few weeks ago. Another case of the desire to see justice clouding people's judgement. Those poor boys had no chance.

The Thin Blue Line is a documentary on Netflix about another unbelievable case. Worth watching.

[HibeeEmma]

The documentary really made me think about the so-called "developed world" and their justice systems, and wondered if anything like this could take place in the UK? The documentary comes at an interesting time when there are a lot of action and protests around the black life matters campaign and when Donald Trump has recently spoke out against the Muslim faith. It is scary that the justice system is not against a specific race or religion but this blew it open to any groups or individual who may be perceived as a threat.

The sad fact is that two individuals remain in jail, with a life of misery for crimes they (likely) did not commit. One of the most infuriating parts for me was that Andrew Colborn was allowed to continue on to the second case after nothing was done about the call first time round.

[DH1875]

The documentary really made me think about the so-called "developed world" and their justice systems, and wondered if anything like this could take place in the UK? The documentary comes at an interesting time when there are a lot of action and protests around the black life matters campaign and when Donald Trump has recently spoke out against the Muslim faith. It is scary that the justice system is not against a specific race or religion but this blew it open to any groups or individual who may be perceived as a threat.

The sad fact is that two individuals remain in jail, with a life of misery for crimes they (likely) did not commit. One of the most infuriating parts for me was that Andrew Colborn was allowed to continue on to the second case after nothing was done about the call first time round.

You're off your head if you don't think there's innocent people in UK jails.

[Hibernian Verse]

The sad fact is that two individuals remain in jail, with a life of misery for crimes they (likely) did not commit. One of the most infuriating parts for me was that Andrew Colborn was allowed to continue on to the second case after nothing was done about the call first time round.

The most infuriating part for me is the phone call between Colburn and his head office clearly reading off the number plate then confirming it's a RAV4 two days before the car was officially found.

If anyone's interested in following the story this year, I believe that his appeal is up in court this week and his lawyer's twitter feed is quite a good read. She claims to have evidence of an alibi (as previously stated), but also that killers and planters have one thing in common - they both leave a mark at the scene. I read into that that she has proof of planting of evidence, most likely dna from the key or car.

Gives me the creeps but I can't help but read more!

[BS44]

I spent the first couple of episodes thinking it was a made for TV series. Watching it I can't believe it actually happened , some of the interviews with Brendan Avery who has a mental age of about 10 are shocking.

I would say it's the best viewing on TV since the Sopranos.

Some good news concerning Brendan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37066686

[David_D]

Some good news concerning Brendan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37066686

Seen this and thought finally. This boy should never have been tried on the evidence he gave. He should have had an adult with him and he was coerced into thinking he would be let off if he told them what they wanted.

[#FromTheCapital]

Some good news concerning Brendan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37066686

Delighted that Brendan will finally get to go home and watch Wrestlemania.

[Future17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37980721