Fyvie

[bookert]

Probably one of the most arrogant posts I have ever read here to be honest.To say a player has never been at fault for losing a game is absolute bollocks and to claim he should be played because the manager (who knows a lot more than us) says so is an equally stupid claim. So managers have never made a mistake have they according to your logic?

I also think the fact he was good before is also a weak argument. Evidently he has got worse and should be replaced by another squad player. Thankfully we have an excellent squad this season and plenty of backup who deserve to play over the passenger Fyvie. Simply not good enough, get rid.

But thats not an arrogant reply I suppose. My opinion is that the original poster was in the main correct, Fyvie has in the main been good since he came to ER, he was poor on Monday as were many others - we were outplayed all over the park. From what I have seen of him is that he will continually show for the ball even in very tight situations and generally gives his all.

[emerald green]

Probably one of the most arrogant posts I have ever read here to be honest.To say a player has never been at fault for losing a game is absolute bollocks and to claim he should be played because the manager (who knows a lot more than us) says so is an equally stupid claim. So managers have never made a mistake have they according to your logic?

I also think the fact he was good before is also a weak argument. Evidently he has got worse and should be replaced by another squad player. Thankfully we have an excellent squad this season and plenty of backup who deserve to play over the passenger Fyvie. Simply not good enough, get rid.

I'm wondering now if you are "at it".

Your post #209 - last sentence: "If we can't sell him I would pay him off and end his contract right away." Have you actually considered how arrogant that sounds, and is?

The rest of your post is so off the wall it's not worthy of further comment IMHO.

[Springbank]

I'm wondering now if you are "at it".

Your post #209 - last sentence: "If we can't sell him I would pay him off and end his contract right away." Have you actually considered how arrogant that sounds, and is?

The rest of your post is so off the wall it's not worthy of further comment IMHO.

Fyvie should be rested.
Was awful at ibrox, not Championship standard that day.
It wasn't a one off - even as far back as montrose in the league cup, the midfield was built around him that day, against the worst team in Scotland at the time.

We were very lucky to be 1-0 up when Stubbs sent for the cavalry and within seconds Scott Allan showed the Gulf in class and technique, strolling the game, whereas Fyvie had done "that thing" players do when they overrate themselves - he'd spent much of the second 45 standing still in poor positions with his arm in the air, as if it was his team mate's fault he wasn't getting the ball

He's useful as one of a pair of sitting midfielders in a midfield 5, but an accident waiting to happen in a 4 right now

Dress it up all you like, you don't win leagues or crucial games with a weak link in a prominent position. Holt showed how to be dynamic in that role.

[Moulin Yarns]

Fyvie should be rested.
Was awful at ibrox, not Championship standard that day.
It wasn't a one off - even as far back as montrose in the league cup, the midfield was built around him that day, against the worst team in Scotland at the time.

We were very lucky to be 1-0 up when Stubbs sent for the cavalry and within seconds Scott Allan showed the Gulf in class and technique, strolling the game, whereas Fyvie had done "that thing" players do when they overrate themselves - he'd spent much of the second 45 standing still in poor positions with his arm in the air, as if it was his team mate's fault he wasn't getting the ball

He's useful as one of a pair of sitting midfielders in a midfield 5, but an accident waiting to happen in a 4 right now

Dress it up all you like, you don't win leagues or crucial games with a weak link in a prominent position. Holt showed how to be dynamic in that role.




Are you suggesting if Fyvie hadn't played on Monday we would have got a draw?


The first goal, Fyvie does well to dispossess Kenny Miller about 30m out and has options to his left. An earlier pass and he launches an attack, the two players to his left have left Waghorn unmarked on the edge of the box. Who is more to blame? Fyvie for his pass being intercepted or the two defenders bombing forward leaving their most dangerous player unmarked? Misplaced pass by Fyvie but two defenders out of position!

Second goal, Holt given too much time and space in the box, but a bad deflection. Whoever was marking Holt should have been closer to him as the pass came in. Deflection caused the goal.

Third goal, Fontaine cut out the ball at the edge of the box and tries to square it to his left. Waghorn regains possession but Clarke was given acres of room for the goal. Blame? Fontaine for not booting the ball clear? The defender that was supposed to pick up Clarke? Poor pass and marking.

Halliday Red Card. the ref had blown the whistle and was rushing towards them before the shoulder barge. Not excusing Fyvie, but the ref was taking action against Halliday for the kick. Violent conduct is a straight red.


Fourth Goal. Waghorn had a lot to do, should fyvie have closed him down earlier, probably did all he could to slow Waghorn to allow cover to get back. Fyvie was the last defender!! Don't think anyone would have expected Waghorn to keep going rather than cross the ball.

[Stuarty27]

Are you suggesting if Fyvie hadn't played on Monday we would have got a draw?


The first goal, Fyvie does well to dispossess Kenny Miller about 30m out and has options to his left. An earlier pass and he launches an attack, the two players to his left have left Waghorn unmarked on the edge of the box. Who is more to blame? Fyvie for his pass being intercepted or the two defenders bombing forward leaving their most dangerous player unmarked? Misplaced pass by Fyvie but two defenders out of position!

Second goal, Holt given too much time and space in the box, but a bad deflection. Whoever was marking Holt should have been closer to him as the pass came in. Deflection caused the goal.

Third goal, Fontaine cut out the ball at the edge of the box and tries to square it to his left. Waghorn regains possession but Clarke was given acres of room for the goal. Blame? Fontaine for not booting the ball clear? The defender that was supposed to pick up Clarke? Poor pass and marking.

Halliday Red Card. the ref had blown the whistle and was rushing towards them before the shoulder barge. Not excusing Fyvie, but the ref was taking action against Halliday for the kick. Violent conduct is a straight red.


Fourth Goal. Waghorn had a lot to do, should fyvie have closed him down earlier, probably did all he could to slow Waghorn to allow cover to get back. Fyvie was the last defender!! Don't think anyone would have expected Waghorn to keep going rather than cross the ball.

He was at fault for the second goal as well as the first and 4th.


He is supposed to be the sitting midfielder and he let Holt run off him to score.

let's not forget the stupid kick out as well when they were down to ten men, it was worse than Hallidays and he was lucky to stay on the pitch!

His performances this season has been no where near standard last year, not sure how people cannot accept any sort of criticism towards a player.

[J-C]

I think it may be time to put an end to this thread, we all agree Fyvie had a poor game but he wasn't the only one, I don't want to see this lad being this years Craig, the weekly scapegoat, we're better than that. Bad day at the office, the game was lost, we move on to saturday and concentrate on Raith.

[Beefster]

He was at fault for the second goal as well as the first and 4th.


He is supposed to be the sitting midfielder and he let Holt run off him to score.

let's not forget the stupid kick out as well when they were down to ten men, it was worse than Hallidays and he was lucky to stay on the pitch!

His performances this season has been no where near standard last year, not sure how people cannot accept any sort of criticism towards a player.

Folk can accept criticism of players. Fyvie was honking on Monday.

Personally, what I object to is the overreaction, hysteria and downright utter pish that some folk spout about our players though.

[Famous Fiver]

I'll be very disappointed if Fyvie is left out on Saturday.

I know for a fact that Aberdeen will have him back in a heartbeat.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face..............

[broondog]

I'm wondering now if you are "at it".

Your post #209 - last sentence: "If we can't sell him I would pay him off and end his contract right away." Have you actually considered how arrogant that sounds, and is?

The rest of your post is so off the wall it's not worthy of further comment IMHO.


That's your opinion, I have mine. If you deem it off the wall, you reserve the right not to comment on it, thatsfine. What I think is "off the wall" is defending a player just for the sake of defending him and blinding yourself as to what is happening on the pitch. He has been poor for a while and not shown anywhere near his form for aberdeen as a youngster and that is playing in a league with part time sides. He was shown to be out of his depth against a relatively poor Rangers side and for that reason we are right to be critical of him especially when we have quality like Bartley sitting on the bench as a result of fyvie playing. re paying him off that was probably said out of frustration after the game against the orcs than anything else but I do not think he deserves to be anywhere near the first team until he shows some quality. I actually think we have the best squad we have had in years and he is a passenger who is being played due to his reputation as a youth player for Aberdeen years ago. If people want to dispute that, that's fine but in my opinion many defending him are in denial.

[matty_f]

Folk can accept criticism of players. Fyvie was honking on Monday.

Personally, what I object to is the overreaction, hysteria and downright utter pish that some folk spout about our players though.

:top marks

[woodyhfc4892]

Suspended for 2 games starting straight away

[matty_f]

Suspended for 2 games starting straight away

No place for simulation, it wasn't needed either, the boy kicked him so that's a red card anyway. 2 game ban is about right for that. :agree:

[Moulin Yarns]

Suspended for 2 games starting straight away


Simulation. 2 match suspension accepted.

Halliday appeal on 7th January. I still think the violent conduct for the kick stands.

[SteveHFC]

Just waiting for Halliday's red card to be overturned.

[Thecat23]

Just waiting for Halliday's red card to be overturned.

If he was sent of for a head butt then it should be over turned. If the ref sent him off for the kick then it should stand.

Let's be honest though, how McGinn got his red overturned I'll never know but I'll take it everyday of the week 😁

[greenlex]

If he was sent of for a head butt then it should be over turned. If the ref sent him off for the kick then it should stand.

Let's be honest though, how McGinn got his red overturned I'll never know but I'll take it everyday of the week 😁

Certainty to be reduced to a yellow.

[Pete]

Probably one of the most arrogant posts I have ever read here to be honest.To say a player has never been at fault for losing a game is absolute bollocks and to claim he should be played because the manager (who knows a lot more than us) says so is an equally stupid claim. So managers have never made a mistake have they according to your logic?

I also think the fact he was good before is also a weak argument. Evidently he has got worse and should be replaced by another squad player. Thankfully we have an excellent squad this season and plenty of backup who deserve to play over the passenger Fyvie. Simply not good enough, get rid.

At it.

[stantonhibby]

Folk can accept criticism of players. Fyvie was honking on Monday.

Personally, what I object to is the overreaction, hysteria and downright utter pish that some folk spout about our players though.

Spot on.

[Tyler Durden]

Certainty to be reduced to a yellow.

I think you're right. I still can't believe Halliday got away with a 2 handed pull back on McGinn (or possibly Henderson) first half aswell as a deliberate handball. The ref gave us a free kick for both but no yellow. Halliday obviously thought he was above the law, the look of bewilderment on his face when he got the red is unbelievable. Wasn't a headbutt so anything goes, seems to be the Rangers and media view

[MWHIBBIES]

Probably one of the most arrogant posts I have ever read here to be honest.To say a player has never been at fault for losing a game is absolute bollocks and to claim he should be played because the manager (who knows a lot more than us) says so is an equally stupid claim. So managers have never made a mistake have they according to your logic?

I also think the fact he was good before is also a weak argument. Evidently he has got worse and should be replaced by another squad player. Thankfully we have an excellent squad this season and plenty of backup who deserve to play over the passenger Fyvie. Simply not good enough, get rid.It is absolutely true, go and find me a professional football match where 10 players played their best and the 11th lost them the game.

[snooky]

Along with the OxleyMorons

:top marks :greengrin

[keep the faith]

Probably one of the most arrogant posts I have ever read here to be honest.To say a player has never been at fault for losing a game is absolute bollocks and to claim he should be played because the manager (who knows a lot more than us) says so is an equally stupid claim. So managers have never made a mistake have they according to your logic?

I also think the fact he was good before is also a weak argument. Evidently he has got worse and should be replaced by another squad player. Thankfully we have an excellent squad this season and plenty of backup who deserve to play over the passenger Fyvie. Simply not good enough, get rid.

I couldn't put my hand on my heart and say that is the most bonkers post of the year, as there is still a day and a bit for something stunningly ridiculous to be said.
This will take some beating though!!!

[Prof. Shaggy]

hysteria and downright utter pish

This is as accurate a summary of the reaction to Monday as anyone could hope for.

[emerald green]

Fyvie should be rested.
Was awful at ibrox, not Championship standard that day.
It wasn't a one off - even as far back as montrose in the league cup, the midfield was built around him that day, against the worst team in Scotland at the time.

We were very lucky to be 1-0 up when Stubbs sent for the cavalry and within seconds Scott Allan showed the Gulf in class and technique, strolling the game, whereas Fyvie had done "that thing" players do when they overrate themselves - he'd spent much of the second 45 standing still in poor positions with his arm in the air, as if it was his team mate's fault he wasn't getting the ball

He's useful as one of a pair of sitting midfielders in a midfield 5, but an accident waiting to happen in a 4 right now

Dress it up all you like, you don't win leagues or crucial games with a weak link in a prominent position. Holt showed how to be dynamic in that role.

I agree Fyvie had a poor game at Ibrox. I don't think anyone disputes that. You know, I once saw Pat Stanton having a real stinker of a game (not that I'm comparing Fraser Fyvie to Pat Stanton of course). Maybe he should be rested?

The bit in bold - It will be interesting to see if Alan Stubbs agrees with you and drops the lad since he's an accident waiting to happen in a 4 as you put it.


He was at fault for the second goal as well as the first and 4th.


He is supposed to be the sitting midfielder and he let Holt run off him to score.

let's not forget the stupid kick out as well when they were down to ten men, it was worse than Hallidays and he was lucky to stay on the pitch!

His performances this season has been no where near standard last year, not sure how people cannot accept any sort of criticism towards a player.

I can accept constructive and justified criticism of a player. I've criticised players plenty of times, but as others have pointed out some of the stuff about Fraser Fyvie after Ibrox was completely OTT.

One quote (yours) was typical. It said "it was truly up there with one of the worst displays in a Hibs jersey". Did you see some of the displays by some of the clowns who disgraced the Hibs jersey and got the club relegated recently?


Folk can accept criticism of players. Fyvie was honking on Monday.

Personally, what I object to is the overreaction, hysteria and downright utter pish that some folk spout about our players though.

:agree: See above.