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Kato
03-12-2015, 01:03 PM
Capital City Press ‏@CCP_sport 21m21 minutes ago
Ann Budge has announced Hearts will stay @ Tynecastle, with construction of a new main stand expected to be under way by this time next year

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/1334689-hearts-to-stay-at-tynecastle-and-build-new-main-stand-says-ann-budge/

The design for this should be revealing.

SteveHFC
03-12-2015, 01:05 PM
The last one was successful.

EdinMike
03-12-2015, 01:09 PM
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You can "Intend" all you want doesn't mean it will happen...

SteveHFC
03-12-2015, 01:10 PM
Details have been announced.

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk.p.preprod.performgroup.com/articles/20080116/planning-application_2241749_1216407

Albanian Hibs
03-12-2015, 01:10 PM
Of course they will 😎

Salt N Sauzee
03-12-2015, 01:10 PM
"Our objective is to put the Tynecastle area well and truly back on the map...as an area of which all of Edinburgh can be proud."

You're gonna need more than a new stand hen.

Brightside
03-12-2015, 01:12 PM
How is this possible? Its a listed building surely?

LancashireHibby
03-12-2015, 01:16 PM
How is this possible? Its a listed building surely?
You might actually be right to some degree as its a Leitch design isn't it? They'd probably have to retain the facade but can redevelop everything else in the same manner as Ibrox, Villa Park and the likes.

Treadstone
03-12-2015, 01:16 PM
Built in the timescale of a close season. Jamie Borthwick tweets. Aye right.

KeithTheHibby
03-12-2015, 01:16 PM
Mock all we want, looks like good news for them.

Kato
03-12-2015, 01:17 PM
Mock all we want, looks like good news for them.

It's going to be bad news for architecture however.

Brightside
03-12-2015, 01:18 PM
Patching up Tynie makes no sense...obviously no-one wants to buy the land now. I can also see how a Hotel out there would be very popular...especially for those who love the smell of breweries.

GreenCastle
03-12-2015, 01:19 PM
Deja vu..

New stand or not the place is still a dump with the smallest pitch in the top league.

Surely if you are going to spend millions ( more funds from the yams pockets!) building a new stand it would make sense to make the pitch a decent size ?

Won't believe this story till they actually start building.

They actually should have just let Romanov build it and pay for it - they would be raking it in now.

Jim44
03-12-2015, 01:21 PM
Mock all we want, looks like good news for them.

:agree: A disinterested silence here will thwart their anticipation of page after page of seething jealousy on this board. Let them get on with it.

Bostonhibby
03-12-2015, 01:21 PM
They were going to put up a statue of romanov when he announced the building of the megasuperhotelstadium supported by a council funded feasibility study and boxes of architects plans that they probably never paid for. That went well.

Be interesting to see the words translate to deeds and how the council handles the application.

KeithTheHibby
03-12-2015, 01:25 PM
:agree: A disinterested silence here will thwart their anticipation of page after page of seething jealousy on this board. Let them get on with it.


They can do what they want for all I care.
Even with a redevelopment of the main stand it will still be in our stadiums shadow and they know it. You can redevelop the main stand all you want, the other 3 will still resemble cheap pink bus shelters.

jacomo
03-12-2015, 01:27 PM
They can do what they want for all I care.
Even with a redevelopment of the main stand it will still be in our stadiums shadow and they know it. You can redevelop the main stand all you want, the other 3 will still resemble cheap pink bus shelters.

Yep, what will they do with the other 3 sides?

Smoke and mirrors from Budgie here I think, still, keep on believing.

Leithenhibby
03-12-2015, 01:33 PM
Interested to see where the money will come from. It won't be cheap :wink:

Diclonius
03-12-2015, 01:33 PM
Assuming this goes ahead, I'd think the new Main Stand will be a carbon copy of the Wheatfield Stand opposite and not the giant vanity project Romanov planned to (not) undertake five years ago?

Considering our capacity is 20,421 I bet you they will increase theirs to 20,422 just so they can say they have the bigger stadium.

Geo_1875
03-12-2015, 01:35 PM
Capital City Press ‏@CCP_sport 21m21 minutes ago
Ann Budge has announced Hearts will stay @ Tynecastle, with construction of a new main stand expected to be under way by this time next year

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/1334689-hearts-to-stay-at-tynecastle-and-build-new-main-stand-says-ann-budge/

The design for this should be revealing.

Confusing that the tweet says construction expected to be under way and Budge says they'll be well on the road to development. Two different things. I note she also says "we have the backing of all of the key players" so I assume the Council have been told what to say to EEN.

EH6 Hibby
03-12-2015, 01:44 PM
Confusing that the tweet says construction expected to be under way and Budge says they'll be well on the road to development. Two different things. I note she also says "we have the backing of all of the key players" so I assume the Council have been told what to say to EEN.

She was in the council headquarters yesterday.

Billy Whizz
03-12-2015, 01:44 PM
Where are going to play during the building time, as they wont be able to fit the current no of season ticket holders into the 3 stands

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 01:45 PM
The other three stands also need freshend up. But over all it's good for them to remain where they are! It's only a stand so I don't know what all the fuss is about. Will still be a ***** hole 😎👍🏼

Geo_1875
03-12-2015, 01:51 PM
Where are going to play during the building time, as they wont be able to fit the current no of season ticket holders into the 3 stands

Once the old stand is knocked down they can just watch from the street.

macca70
03-12-2015, 01:52 PM
Interesting to see how it will be financed, considering they made a £500k loss last year when they were selling out every game!!

Interesting to see what sort of basic, chucked together, done on the cheap nonsense they throw up. Especially within the space constraints and leave the other 3 pathetic stands in place.

McSwanky
03-12-2015, 01:53 PM
Once the old stand is knocked down they can just watch from the street.

I'd still turn my back.

lucky
03-12-2015, 01:55 PM
A new stand is good news for them, but where is funding coming from? Also means a reduced capacity whilst the works getting done. If they just build a stand and don't do nothing about the pitch then their stadium still won't be any use for any European games.

MB62
03-12-2015, 02:15 PM
Bit of a pointless exercise if you ask me. Do buses even go down that street? :wink: :greengrin

NAE NOOKIE
03-12-2015, 02:18 PM
A new stand is good news for them, but where is funding coming from? Also means a reduced capacity whilst the works getting done. If they just build a stand and don't do nothing about the pitch then their stadium still won't be any use for any European games.

That's the issue that will be of interest when the plans are submitted. UEFA will not continue to give them dispensation if they build a new stand but fail to address the pitch issue.

As I understand it the pitch, with run off areas, is too narrow and too short. You can widen the pitch with a new stand set further back, but that would leave both end stands possibly metres short of extending to cover the width of the pitch.
I suppose you could chop a few rows off the end stands to lengthen the pitch like we did to widen ER, but that would mean the Wheatfield stand would be short of the length of the pitch at either end, again possibly by metres.

Its possible that the could end up with 3 out of 4 stands shorter than the pitch dimensions, unless they extend them all at huge expense.

The whole thing could turn into an utter dugs dinner :greengrin

Dan Sarf
03-12-2015, 02:31 PM
Once the old stand is knocked down they can just watch from the street.


Brilliant!

Dan Sarf
03-12-2015, 02:34 PM
Considering our capacity is 20,421 I bet you they will increase theirs to 20,422 just so they can say they have the bigger stadium.[/QUOTE]

"Stadium capacity to rise to 23,000."

ALF TUPPER
03-12-2015, 02:39 PM
It will need to be bigger for the 400,000 !

NadeAteMyLunch!
03-12-2015, 02:43 PM
Considering our capacity is 20,421 I bet you they will increase theirs to 20,422 just so they can say they have the bigger stadium.

"Stadium capacity to rise to 23,000."
[/QUOTE]

So this new stand would hold somewhere between 8-9,000? Very doubtful. Not surprised in the slightest if they are claiming that though.

JimBHibees
03-12-2015, 02:49 PM
Good news for them hopefully they widen the pitch to real football dimensions.

Ozyhibby
03-12-2015, 03:08 PM
That's the issue that will be of interest when the plans are submitted. UEFA will not continue to give them dispensation if they build a new stand but fail to address the pitch issue.

As I understand it the pitch, with run off areas, is too narrow and too short. You can widen the pitch with a new stand set further back, but that would leave both end stands possibly metres short of extending to cover the width of the pitch.
I suppose you could chop a few rows off the end stands to lengthen the pitch like we did to widen ER, but that would mean the Wheatfield stand would be short of the length of the pitch at either end, again possibly by metres.

Its possible that the could end up with 3 out of 4 stands shorter than the pitch dimensions, unless they extend them all at huge expense.

The whole thing could turn into an utter dugs dinner :greengrin

To be honest, if I was them I would ignore the European issue. How many games in Europe do Hibs and Hearts play over a 10 year period? Is it really worth spending all that extra money for that small amount of games when you can just rent Murrayfield?


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Ozyhibby
03-12-2015, 03:09 PM
Details have been announced.

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk.p.preprod.performgroup.com/articles/20080116/planning-application_2241749_1216407

Made me laugh.


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Pete
03-12-2015, 03:20 PM
Main stands are the expensive ones as they have to have all the facilities such as corporate boxes, restaurants etc...and they can't just erect one like our East.

£10 million minimum? I can't see a mainstream bank giving them that so it's the bank of Budge and she won't be doing them any favours on the interest front.

jgl07
03-12-2015, 03:21 PM
Built in the timescale of a close season. Jamie Borthwick tweets. Aye right.
Now I know they are joking.

Hibs West Stand was started at the end of January and was ready for the next season in August. I can't see any time being shaved off that. The East Stand may have been a tad quicker but that is a shell, the main stand would include all the changing facilities. boardroom, hospitality, etc.

The SPFL season drags on to mid-late May. Then you would have to demolish to existing stand assuming you could get permission. It would require specialists in breathing equipment to remove the asbestos (and the old jock straps). Then a new stand would have to be built in two months and pass safety inspections to be ready for the start of August.

Its a shame that the link is around six years old!

Moulin Yarns
03-12-2015, 03:26 PM
How is this possible? Its a listed building surely?


You might actually be right to some degree as its a Leitch design isn't it? They'd probably have to retain the facade but can redevelop everything else in the same manner as Ibrox, Villa Park and the likes.

Once and for all, an we put this idea to bed.

IT IS NOT LISTED


http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings (http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings)

There is a bat roost between the Wheatsheaf and Gorgie Stands though, and they are protected. :wink:

brog
03-12-2015, 03:26 PM
Mock all we want, looks like good news for them.

I think it's actually good news for us. Means them moving to a new custom built ground, no doubt with government & council support, must be off the table. As someone else said this will be a bog standard IKEA stand, similar to the one opposite. I suspect though they may have to retain the original facade. The funding will be interesting, There may be some kind of sponsorship or debenture scheme but it will eat into funds available for the playing side. From a humanitarian side I'm also pleased, much though I loathe all things Yammish I would not have wanted that stand to be the cause of another Bradford.

Aldo
03-12-2015, 03:59 PM
Tbh the more they spend the better! They will need to spend a fair whack to build a main stand and with that building being listed then or supposedly being listed it may have to form part of anything new!

They will Defo make it hold more than ours but do what!!!

They will have to carry out loads of work around the remaining stands to make it a FIFA grade 2 stadium.

They will be having quite a few cake bakes to save up for that!

H18S NX
03-12-2015, 04:01 PM
How is this possible? Its a listed building surely?..Absolutely right m8

Pete
03-12-2015, 04:01 PM
Partial funding through naming rights?


The main stand in partnership with Volkswagen.

Moulin Yarns
03-12-2015, 04:08 PM
..Absolutely right m8


Once and for all, an we put this idea to bed.

IT IS NOT LISTED


http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings (http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings)

There is a bat roost between the Wheatsheaf and Gorgie Stands though, and they are protected. :wink:

how many times????:rolleyes:
And there's no NEW Planning Application.





https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/simpleSearchResults.do;jsessionid=DF3C10A50A07EB69 AFD142B7350E3D77?action=firstPage

greenginger
03-12-2015, 04:15 PM
If they are going to expand that stand to 8 - 9 thousand capacity, they will have to buy and demolish the council offices they rent and the Tynecastle nursery.

There were all sorts of problems with the nursery at the time of the Vlad mega stand and the nursery has since had a complete revamp.

Moving them won't be easy or cheap.

And developer Chris Stewart Group has bought the old stone fronted offices from the Lith. admins.

Bishop Hibee
03-12-2015, 04:16 PM
I hear the plans already have a design fault. The stand faces the pitch.

Anyway, the report I read has Budge saying they have bought up land/property behind the asbestos stand. No doubt our beloved council smoothed the path where possible.

As others have posted, there is no danger the old stand will be demolished and a new one built in a close season given it will presumably be the 'posh' stand.

On the plus side there will be no problem getting derby tickets.

greenpaper55
03-12-2015, 04:24 PM
I see that they have a turnover of 7 million, and a loss of 500k !, i thought they sold the place out every week so how come they are not raking it in !

dangermouse
03-12-2015, 04:25 PM
how many times????:rolleyes:
And there's no NEW Planning Application.





https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/simpleSearchResults.do;jsessionid=DF3C10A50A07EB69 AFD142B7350E3D77?action=firstPage

Having looked at the listed building map I see the school is listed so little chance of moving the away stand back a few yards to make more room. The Gorgie Road end can't move either due to the houses and the church, also listed, so the new main stand will need to be quite a tall one to fit in all the seats to take the capacity up to 20K. Anyway, moving any of the existing stand means the whole thing falls down by the looks of it :greengrin

Anyone know how many seats are in the othe three stands so we can calculate how big the new one needs to be?

Brunswickbill
03-12-2015, 04:28 PM
Given the condition of the stand and the longstanding safety concerns a responsible owner is duty bound to take action to resolve the problems. Say what you like about Budge but I think that she willl take such responsibilities seriously, not like the previous owner. Whether or not they actually intend to build a new stand, they will have to be seen to go through the processes to satisfy fans who are commited to Tyecastle. After all the design work / feasibilty study / financial consideration have been completed they will be in a position to say if the replacement of the stand is a feasible option or whether the only realistic option is to move to another location. If they do redevelop then they'll to find the finance, I don't think that the direct debits will stretch that far.

greenginger
03-12-2015, 04:44 PM
I hear the plans already have a design fault. The stand faces the pitch.

Anyway, the report I read has Budge saying they have bought up land/property behind the asbestos stand. No doubt our beloved council smoothed the path where possible.

As others have posted, there is no danger the old stand will be demolished and a new one built in a close season given it will presumably be the 'posh' stand.

On the plus side there will be no problem getting derby tickets.

Yams bought up land behind the main stand. Don't think so !

http://www.saa.gov.uk/search.php?SEARCHED=1&ST=&SEARCH_TERM=mcleod+street+edinburgh&ASSESSOR_ID=&SEARCH_TABLE=valuation_roll&x=10&y=37#results

Scottish Assessors have the Nursery owned and occupied by the council and the Hearts shop premises owned by the council and leased to Hearts.

The old stone built offices were bought by the Chris Stewart Group and were still owned by them 4 weeks ago.

Jim44
03-12-2015, 04:49 PM
Given the condition of the stand and the longstanding safety concerns a responsible owner is duty bound to take action to resolve the problems. Say what you like about Budge but I think that she willl take such responsibilities seriously, not like the previous owner. Whether or not they actually intend to build a new stand, they will have to be seen to go through the processes to satisfy fans who are commited to Tyecastle. After all the design work / feasibilty study / financial consideration have been completed they will be in a position to say if the replacement of the stand is a feasible option or whether the only realistic option is to move to another location. If they do redevelop then they'll to find the finance, I don't think that the direct debits will stretch that far.

It's a bit ironic that the Jambos were today having a holier than thou dig at the State of Ibrox Stadium and the problems they had last night.

StevieC
03-12-2015, 05:01 PM
Considering our capacity is 20,421 I bet you they will increase theirs to 20,422

Wrong.

It will either be 20,436 or 20,472.

jacomo
03-12-2015, 05:02 PM
I am cringing with seethe at the prospect of the Yams having a fit-for-purpose stadium within the next five years.

Then again, they probably won't.

MSK
03-12-2015, 05:05 PM
Pic of new ****castle stand....looks ****ing boggin ..15722

stoneyburn hibs
03-12-2015, 05:08 PM
Pic of new ****castle stand....looks ****ing boggin ..15722

But still an improvement.

Criswell
03-12-2015, 05:09 PM
Hmm...Since they have come out of administration money appears to be no object. A host of foreign players signed, plans to build a new stand etc. I just wonder if their former creditors who accepted the derisory CVA are now feeling well and truly had!

Bostonhibby
03-12-2015, 05:09 PM
I am cringing with seethe at the prospect of the Yams having a fit-for-purpose stadium within the next five years.

Then again, they probably won't.

:agree: They were going to win the Champions league by 2008 - the most we can expect to see here is another large box of drawings plastered all over the front page of the EEN.

MSK
03-12-2015, 05:10 PM
But still an improvement.Aye, they have got the colour match right as well ..:agree:

jabis
03-12-2015, 05:11 PM
Partial funding through naming rights?


The main stand in partnership with Volkswagen.

They couldn't get finance for their cars,let alone build a stand !

Bostonhibby
03-12-2015, 05:12 PM
Hmm...Since they have come out of administration money appears to be no object. A host of foreign players signed, plans to build a new stand etc. I just wonder if their former creditors who accepted the derisory CVA are now feeling well and truly had!

They have been - but the club with no shame really won't be bothered about all of those who lost out. They are probably planning to raise cash against the actual value of the ground etc. as opposed to what they got away with saying it was worth at the time of the admin.

iwasthere1972
03-12-2015, 05:12 PM
Having looked at the listed building map I see the school is listed so little chance of moving the away stand back a few yards to make more room. The Gorgie Road end can't move either due to the houses and the church, also listed, so the new main stand will need to be quite a tall one to fit in all the seats to take the capacity up to 20K. Anyway, moving any of the existing stand means the whole thing falls down by the looks of it :greengrin

Anyone know how many seats are in the othe three stands so we can calculate how big the new one needs to be?

I think their main stand holds about 4K plus a calor gas heater and two 40 watt light bulbs.

Baader
03-12-2015, 05:18 PM
I think their main stand holds about 4K plus a calor gas heater and two 40 watt light bulbs.

Far more advanced than that. I'm sure both light bulbs are actually 100w. Rumours they may even be premium energy saving ones..

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 05:19 PM
My sister who works with the council has told me just now that it's all been passed. Says Budge wants to take the capacity to 20k. So will be same as us!

Kato
03-12-2015, 05:22 PM
it's all been passed.

That was quick.

Colr
03-12-2015, 05:26 PM
"Our objective is to put the Tynecastle area well and truly back on the map...as an area of which all of Edinburgh can be proud."

You're gonna need more than a new stand hen.

When has Tynecastle ever been on the map and an area of which one could be proud?

NAE NOOKIE
03-12-2015, 05:28 PM
To be honest, if I was them I would ignore the European issue. How many games in Europe do Hibs and Hearts play over a 10 year period? Is it really worth spending all that extra money for that small amount of games when you can just rent Murrayfield?


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But, but ........ what about the unique atmosphere that has terrorised teams around Europe :confused:

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 05:39 PM
That was quick.

Exactly what I said. Been in talks for a while!

iwasthere1972
03-12-2015, 05:51 PM
Doesn't really matter as at the end of the day they will still have three crappy stands. Building a new one will only highlight how bad the others really are.

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 05:55 PM
Doesn't really matter as at the end of the day they will still have three crappy stands. Building a new one will only highlight how bad the others really are.

This 👆🏼

SquashedFrogg
03-12-2015, 05:58 PM
This 

Agree. Always wondered the point in building 'new' stands where the spectator view is limited :confused:

Terrible view from behind the goals....

Kato
03-12-2015, 06:00 PM
Doesn't really matter as at the end of the day they will still have three crappy stands. Building a new one will only highlight how bad the others really are.


If they keep the three newer ones the brand new one will be crappy too.

bingo70
03-12-2015, 06:02 PM
I'd imagine it'll have to be a pretty basic stand given the space they're working with and the timescales for building it. That in itself isn't a bad thing, only thing that is surprising about that though is they surely won't be able to incorporate much corporate facilities in a small structure. having one tin pot basic stand is fine but to have 4 of them won't bring in much match day income other than ticket sales I'd have thought

Billy Whizz
03-12-2015, 06:06 PM
Have they said how big this new stand is going to be?

ALF TUPPER
03-12-2015, 06:07 PM
Once and for all, an we put this idea to bed.

IT IS NOT LISTED


http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings (http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings)

There is a bat roost between the Wheatsheaf and Gorgie Stands though, and they are protected. :wink:

Ah yes. Having been an original member of the Hibs supporters bat lovers protection league over the last few minutes - I say ...save the bat !!

bingo70
03-12-2015, 06:08 PM
Have they said how big this new stand is going to be?

Stadium capacity will be 20k, I'd imagine the current one can't hold more than 3k. If that's right the new one will hold about 6k I think.

Anyone know what our main stand holds, about the same I'd have thought?

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 06:19 PM
Just looked on Kickback, Our good old fat faced friend Craigieboy has started a thread about how we are spewing! Completely missing the point it's only a main stand and the other three stands are crap. The pitch is also very small so they still have the same issues!

The best outcome would have been to flatten it and start again. But now it will have 3 old looking stands and a new one. I know what I'd rather have, eh Craigieboy 😎👍🏼

GreenCastle
03-12-2015, 06:21 PM
I think it's actually good news for us. Means them moving to a new custom built ground, no doubt with government & council support, must be off the table. As someone else said this will be a bog standard IKEA stand, similar to the one opposite. I suspect though they may have to retain the original facade. The funding will be interesting, There may be some kind of sponsorship or debenture scheme but it will eat into funds available for the playing side. From a humanitarian side I'm also pleased, much though I loathe all things Yammish I would not have wanted that stand to be the cause of another Bradford.

Agree with most of this including the final sentence.

They were limited with options to build a new stadium elsewhere - plus the extra cost. Though they could have really put something together which brought in more money longer term.

Out of our 4 stands - 3 are used daily - For functions / community foundation etc. Our east stand could be fitted out also if ever required.

They will update facilities in the main stand but will still be limited. Think Arsenal moving into a completely future proof stadium and facilities which generates so much more money.

This includes lost revenue during build and still the issue of pitch size. Agreed Scottish teams aren't playing lots of games in Europe but why spend all the millions then spend money and rent Murrayfield - surely they need to think long term and sort the pitch. They still wouldn't be able to host international matches like we have (again missing out on revenue) - obviously that will cost much more - Budge isn't stupid - loan more money - get more back - they are going to be owing her a lot for future generations!

Halifaxhibby
03-12-2015, 06:22 PM
Surely with a project of this size the council have a certain period of time allocated to any local residents/business to object to it?
Oh, i forgot. Its hearts and its embra council!!!. Seem to remember we had to go through something like that.
FTHMFC

Moulin Yarns
03-12-2015, 06:26 PM
My sister who works with the council has told me just now that it's all been passed. Says Budge wants to take the capacity to 20k. So will be same as us!

No planning applications yet so it can't have been passed. Pre applications meeting with a nod that there is nothing amiss but it still has to go through the process and anyone can comment or object.

Brightside
03-12-2015, 06:32 PM
Its a 10k strand to make them 23k max. All the details are online.

green day
03-12-2015, 06:33 PM
Budge quote ""I am very confident that by this time next year we will be well down the road in terms of developing our new Main Stand"

So, by December 2016 they will be "well down the road".

Any thoughts that this can happen in a closed season are way off the mark.

I reckon it will be out of commission until early 2017 (assuming they start next may) and they will just limit away fans etc.

Funding will be interesting - does anyone have any idea the cost of a new 6-7000 seater main stand?

jgl07
03-12-2015, 06:36 PM
My sister who works with the council has told me just now that it's all been passed. Says Budge wants to take the capacity to 20k. So will be same as us!
I call shenanagons here. Someone is pulling your plonker.

There isn't a hope of getting something like that through without public consultation especially given the past difficulties with the neighbouring distillery.

Hibeesforever
03-12-2015, 06:42 PM
Looks like the cost of a monthly donation Direct Debit is going to go up now. Either that or the naming rights will be the Budge stand and she will come in with some major funds to build it. Unlikely.Talking about buying land as well, that can't be cheap either.

WhileTheChief..
03-12-2015, 06:48 PM
Talking about it on Sportsound now. Got to say that Budge aways comes across really well. Won't ladle the club with debt and fully expect fans to continue with their regular donations towards it - "save Tynecastle like they saved the club" was the gist of things.

We always slagged them off for the death trap of a main stand so fair play if it gets done. I'd much rather sit in their shiny new stand than the current one.

Tin hat on!

Golden Bear
03-12-2015, 06:56 PM
Spotted leaving the AGM, 4 middle aged guys with knitted "Ann Budge " tea cosies on their nappers . Also rumoured that "Budge" tattoos are the most sought after body art for the Tynie legions.

green day
03-12-2015, 06:57 PM
Talking about it on Sportsound now. Got to say that Budge aways comes across really well. Won't ladle the club with debt and fully expect fans to continue with their regular donations towards it - "save Tynecastle like they saved the club" was the gist of things.

We always slagged them off for the death trap of a main stand so fair play if it gets done. I'd much rather sit in their shiny new stand than the current one.

Tin hat on!

Will only give that old windbag credit when she starts paying back local businesses stiffed by her club.

So the plan of fan ownership must now be a pipe dream - as there is zilch chance of them continuing to fund playing staff, buy back budgies loan, and fund a stadium redevelopment out of £100k per month.

Hibeesforever
03-12-2015, 07:02 PM
Hilarious, Foundation of Hearts money could be used to build the stand. Looks like those share certs are a bit further off again!

greenginger
03-12-2015, 07:08 PM
My sister who works with the council has told me just now that it's all been passed. Says Budge wants to take the capacity to 20k. So will be same as us!

And what was the price ? Vlad agreed a figure of £ 2.1 million for the council land needed for the new stand.

Also the plan back then was to build a new Tynecastle nursery school further down Mcleod Street but the property has been sold.

greenginger
03-12-2015, 07:13 PM
What's the chances of it all being talk and proposals to get continued use of the fire-hazard of a main stand for a few more years.

Kicking the problem down the road like they've been allowed to do for 10 or more years.

Did they also say an estimate of £ 5 million for the works.

Geo_1875
03-12-2015, 07:17 PM
I call shenanagons here. Someone is pulling your plonker.

There isn't a hope of getting something like that through without public consultation especially given the past difficulties with the neighbouring distillery.

He said it was his sister so unless they're a yam family I don't think he's getting his plonker pulled.

green day
03-12-2015, 07:19 PM
He said it was his sister so unless they're a yam family I don't think he's getting his plonker pulled.

So the entire planning permission process has happened with none of us spotting it and no media comment?

SouthMoroccoStu
03-12-2015, 07:21 PM
My sister who works with the council has told me just now that it's all been passed. Says Budge wants to take the capacity to 20k. So will be same as us!

If those gits (tidied up for the kids) do anything to help or fund them they can ***** off if they think they are getting any council taxes payments ever again

They did ***** all to help or support us

Golden Bear
03-12-2015, 07:24 PM
So the entire planning permission process has happened with none of us spotting it and no media comment?

All very dubious to say the least.

jacomo
03-12-2015, 07:26 PM
Just looked on Kickback, Our good old fat faced friend Craigieboy has started a thread about how we are spewing! Completely missing the point it's only a main stand and the other three stands are crap. The pitch is also very small so they still have the same issues!

The best outcome would have been to flatten it and start again. But now it will have 3 old looking stands and a new one. I know what I'd rather have, eh Craigieboy 😎👍🏼

I'm so envious that they have announced a plan which might, just might, enable them to redevelop their ground to mediocre but acceptable standards.

I mean, wow.

HIBERNIAN-0762
03-12-2015, 07:32 PM
No new shoes for the bairns again this year eh?

:yw:

greenginger
03-12-2015, 07:33 PM
If the Council have done a deal to sell land to the Yams, they've omitted to consult their own employees .


https://tynecastlenursery.wordpress.com/

Right up to the December news letter and parent consultation day.

Nobody's been told they are to be evicted to make room for the Yam Council Tax thieves.


Another thought. Is the tram planning supplement still in place ?

jgl07
03-12-2015, 07:43 PM
According to Building Magazine, a stand of this type including back of house and conference facilities should come in the region of £1,500 to £3,000 per seat. Those are at 2004 price levels.

I think Hibs West Stand with around 6,000 seats cost £6.5 million in 2001. Hibs North Stad with 3,500 seats cost £4.5 million in 1996!

With a 10,000 seater stadium to meet the needs of a high profile club like Hearts, we are probably talking in the region of £15-£20 million.

That is a lot of direct debits!

I will be surprised if anything happens in the next five years. I suspect this is all a ploy to stop too much attention being given to the death trap of a Main Stand. It's coming down next summer, no need to close it now guv.

Pete
03-12-2015, 07:49 PM
Just looked on Kickback, Our good old fat faced friend Craigieboy has started a thread about how we are spewing! Completely missing the point it's only a main stand and the other three stands are crap. The pitch is also very small so they still have the same issues!

The best outcome would have been to flatten it and start again. But now it will have 3 old looking stands and a new one. I know what I'd rather have, eh Craigieboy 😎👍🏼

I was feeling quite good about myself today until I read his thread.

Thanks very much :-(

killie-hibby
03-12-2015, 07:55 PM
I logged onto Edinburgh City Council's planning site earlier today and discovered a planning application Ref no. 08/00161/FUL for Replacement of Main Stand was validated on June 18th 2008. Decision still pending.
I assume this was for 30000 seats and an integral ten star hotel.
The only subsequent planning applications from the Poppy Thieves have been for ariels or antennas as they are now called.
Looks like a new stand will, for the foreseeable future be built only in Dreamland.

CB_NO3
03-12-2015, 07:57 PM
So Budge has promised Hearts fans a stand that they have to pay for themselves. Nice of her.

SQHib
03-12-2015, 07:59 PM
I logged onto Edinburgh City Council's planning site earlier today and discovered a planning application Ref no. 08/00161/FUL for Replacement of Main Stand was validated on June 18th 2008. Decision still pending.
I assume this was for 30000 seats and an integral ten star hotel.
The only subsequent planning applications from the Poppy Thieves have been for ariels or antennas as they are now called.
Looks like a new stand will, for the foreseeable future be built only in Dreamland.



fair bit of information in here

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/1334740-budge/

sounds like there's already been a few "cosy chats" i.e. Nursery to be demolished and re-built within the new stand !!

Aldo
03-12-2015, 08:00 PM
As I've said let the spend loads!

As for the Cooncil.... There would (will be) outrage if the get that land at a snip of what it's worth for a purpose built nursery/adult learning centre built into the new structure but heay what this space!

jgl07
03-12-2015, 08:02 PM
So the entire planning permission process has happened with none of us spotting it and no media comment?
No planning permission has been granted because no application has been submitted. The Cat was talking through his arse.

The last application took them months to prepare and was never considered. It will be a very lengthy process.

Baader
03-12-2015, 08:14 PM
Keep an eye on City of Edinburgh Council. Those imposters are constantly bending over backwards to help their Gorgie chums when the need arises.

STV article also states the existing Tynecastle Nursery School will be rehomed within the proposed stand. Surely not!

Golden Bear
03-12-2015, 08:16 PM
Her Majesty has already decreed that the new stand will be complete before the commencement of the 2017 season.

greenginger
03-12-2015, 08:24 PM
Her Majesty has already decreed that the new stand will be complete before the commencement of the 2017 season.


I doubt they will get a planning application done by then.

What were the issues when Vlad's guys were trying.

Traffic survey - never completed
Tram planning supplement - Vlad refused to pay.
Overshadowing and daylighting issues to rear of the tenements on Gorgie Road and Mcleod Street.

brog
03-12-2015, 08:28 PM
What's the chances of it all being talk and proposals to get continued use of the fire-hazard of a main stand for a few more years.

Kicking the problem down the road like they've been allowed to do for 10 or more years.

Did they also say an estimate of £ 5 million for the works.

Budge said £5m on TV but there's no mention of cost in the lengthy STV piece. To do all the things she says within a main stand just does not seem feasible within a £5m budget, nor does the time frame seem feasible. Don't forget they'll also lose revenue during the period the stand is under construction. Mind you, they'll still show the crowd as 16,800! :wink:

Mr White
03-12-2015, 08:29 PM
I doubt they will get a planning application done by then.

What were the issues when Vlad's guys were trying.

Traffic survey - never completed
Tram planning supplement - Vlad refused to pay.
Overshadowing and daylighting issues to rear of the tenements on Gorgie Road and Mcleod Street.

Does the blast zone from the ethanol tanks at nb distillery become relevant or was that only in the event of redeveloping the whole site?

Scott Allan Key
03-12-2015, 09:10 PM
Keep an eye on City of Edinburgh Council. Those imposters are constantly bending over backwards to help their Gorgie chums when the need arises.

STV article also states the existing Tynecastle Nursery School will be rehomed within the proposed stand. Surely not!

Regarding the rebranding of ***********, with the poor kids trapped there we can name it Save the Children Park.

Admins: Why is S***ecastle in the swear filter?

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 09:27 PM
No planning applications yet so it can't have been passed. Pre applications meeting with a nod that there is nothing amiss but it still has to go through the process and anyone can comment or object.

Do you work with the council GF? Just you may know my sister. She's been there years and is quite high up so to speak. If so I'll drop you a PM. She says planning was submitted a while back and everything has been agreed!

Again I'm only going on what she's told me tonight! Maybe you know a bit more! Either way it's going to happen but I think it's hilarious how the hearts fans are falling over themselves about it.

greenginger
03-12-2015, 09:28 PM
Does the blast zone from the ethanol tanks at nb distillery become relevant or was that only in the event of redeveloping the whole site?


Good point. I think the issue was increasing the capacity of the stadium. As far as I know the COMAH Zone, or what ever it was called is still there.

I think it is all about getting continued use of the old stand while they kid on they are moving forward with plans for a new stand.

Kato
03-12-2015, 09:28 PM
Once and for all, an we put this idea to bed.

IT IS NOT LISTED


http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings (http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20065/conservation/244/listed_buildings)

There is a bat roost between the Wheatsheaf and Gorgie Stands though, and they are protected. :wink:

Not forgetting the ones in the belfry.

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 09:30 PM
I'm so envious that they have announced a plan which might, just might, enable them to redevelop their ground to mediocre but acceptable standards.

I mean, wow.

😁

mca
03-12-2015, 09:31 PM
Ah yes. Having been an original member of the Hibs supporters bat lovers protection league over the last few minutes - I say ...save the bat !! http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/thumbs%20up.gif

hibees 7062
03-12-2015, 09:39 PM
According to Building Magazine, a stand of this type including back of house and conference facilities should come in the region of £1,500 to £3,000 per seat. Those are at 2004 price levels.

I think Hibs West Stand with around 6,000 seats cost £6.5 million in 2001. Hibs North Stad with 3,500 seats cost £4.5 million in 1996!

With a 10,000 seater stadium to meet the needs of a high profile club like Hearts, we are probably talking in the region of £15-£20 million.

That is a lot of direct debits!

I will be surprised if anything happens in the next five years. I suspect this is all a ploy to stop too much attention being given to the death trap of a Main Stand. It's coming down next summer, no need to close it now guv.

Budge said it will cost around £5 million :greengrin

Kato
03-12-2015, 09:44 PM
Talking about it on Sportsound now. Got to say that Budge aways comes across really well. Won't ladle the club with debt and fully expect fans to continue with their regular donations towards it - "save Tynecastle like they saved the club" was the gist of things.

We always slagged them off for the death trap of a main stand so fair play if it gets done. I'd much rather sit in their shiny new stand than the current one.

Tin hat on!

I agree, their old stand is too dangerous for them to go on with, so all good there. My only concern is if their is council money going toward this. In fact I'll make a predication, council money will go toward this. Remember EC shafted us whenever they could whilst the training ground and stadium was being built but they will bend over forwards for them.

lord bunberry
03-12-2015, 09:46 PM
I find this fascinating, she's telling foh members to keep putting their money in. Does that mean that the goalposts have been moved? Whatever happens paying for a new stand will limit what they can pay for players. They will have to either sell players, which will weaken them, or cut the playing budget which will have the same effect.

green day
03-12-2015, 09:56 PM
Do you work with the council GF? Just you may know my sister. She's been there years and is quite high up so to speak. If so I'll drop you a PM. She says planning was submitted a while back and everything has been agreed!

Again I'm only going on what she's told me tonight! Maybe you know a bit more! Either way it's going to happen but I think it's hilarious how the hearts fans are falling over themselves about it.

I don't work for the council, but I do know that's not how planning applications work or get agreed.

If other people want to believe that, its a free country.

But it simply doesnt happen that way, plans need submitted and time for objections to go in, blah blah.

greenginger
03-12-2015, 09:57 PM
Here is a link to Kickback from last May, sorry, but if you race to Post 628 you read what a realistic Jambo has to say.


http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/151890-stadium-update/page-13

Project cost £ 14 million

FoH D.D.s kept going 12 -15 years should cover it !

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 09:59 PM
I don't work for the council, but I do know that's not how planning applications work or get agreed.

If other people want to believe that, its a free country.

But it simply doesnt happen that way, plans need submitted and time for objections to go in, blah blah.

I'm only saying what she told me. She works there said Budge has been in many times! We'll wait and see.

Kato
03-12-2015, 09:59 PM
Here is a link to Kickback from last May, sorry, but if you race to Post 628 you read what a realistic Jambo has to say.


http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/151890-stadium-update/page-13

Project cost £ 14 million

FoH D.D.s kept going 12 -15 years should cover it !

Maybe EC are putting in £ 9 million? :cb

Bishop Hibee
03-12-2015, 10:00 PM
I agree, their old stand is too dangerous for them to go on with, so all good there. My only concern is if their is council money going toward this. In fact I'll make a predication, council money will go toward this. Remember EC shafted us whenever they could whilst the training ground and stadium was being built but they will bend over forwards for them.

The crux of the matter. No more taxpayers money to subsidise the yams!

Ozyhibby
03-12-2015, 10:01 PM
£5m for a 6000 seat stand is very optimistic. Comes in at £833 per seat.


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Hibeesforever
03-12-2015, 10:01 PM
Yamenomics, likely the first club in Scotland to build a stand with no borrowed bank money. Trouble for HMFC fans is they will be borrowing it from themselves. Costly business owning and running a football club. Those Direct Debits are underpinning a lot of potential overheads. Logic would say reduced player budget. Although it is the world of HMFC finance, so any scheme is possible.

Kato
03-12-2015, 10:01 PM
I'm only saying what she told me. She works there said Budge has been in many times! We'll wait and see.

It'll be signed and sealed with the usual procedures (i.e. the law) made a mockery of. Never underestimate how snide that lot are, or how much they and the council are all over each other.

green glory
03-12-2015, 10:06 PM
So Budge has promised Hearts fans a stand that they have to pay for themselves. Nice of her.

Madeira cake by the spitfire-load as the heroic Gorgie ovens are pressed back into service.

greenginger
03-12-2015, 10:07 PM
It'll be signed and sealed with the usual procedures (i.e. the law) made a mockery of. Never underestimate how snide that lot are, or how much they and the council are all over each other.


I wonder which Council Officials are enjoying Yam Match hospitality this season .

Hibby Bairn
03-12-2015, 10:08 PM
We are utterly obsessed with these gunts.

green day
03-12-2015, 10:12 PM
We are utterly obsessed with these gunts.

Some are - I despair that people genuinely think that something this large could be brought in "under the radar" and could bypass planning (which are part of Scottish Government, not Embra council laws).

Sir David Gray
03-12-2015, 10:14 PM
To hell with them.

It will still be in an area that could only be described as a *****hole.
It will still have seats in that disgusting dark pink colour.
It will still be largely occupied by mutants on match day.

Not jealous in the slightest.

GGTTH.

Pete
03-12-2015, 10:22 PM
We are utterly obsessed with these gunts.

Rival football fans in "Internet banter" shocker.

Sergey
03-12-2015, 10:24 PM
fair bit of information in here

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/1334740-budge/

sounds like there's already been a few "cosy chats" i.e. Nursery to be demolished and re-built within the new stand !!

Given their previous (manager/players/fans) that really isn't a very clever idea.

Scouse Hibee
03-12-2015, 10:27 PM
I wonder which Council Officials are enjoying Yam Match hospitality this season .


So that's why the council plans to close numerous public toilets across the city, to fund one big ******house in Gorgie.

Leithenhibby
03-12-2015, 10:29 PM
Tbh the more they spend the better! They will need to spend a fair whack to build a main stand and with that building being listed then or supposedly being listed it may have to form part of anything new!

They will Defo make it hold more than ours but do what!!!

They will have to carry out loads of work around the remaining stands to make it a FIFA grade 2 stadium.

They will be having quite a few cake bakes to save up for that!

The thing is, it will be the fans picking up the tab. If, and it's a big if, they manage to get someone to buy the naming rights, it may well work out ok for them.

I'm not so sure. I read somewhere that the cost of stadium builds works out at around £1m per 1000. Good luck with that one is all I can say. :wink:

Lee Marvin
03-12-2015, 10:33 PM
The thing is, it will be the fans picking up the tab. If, and it's a big if, they manage to get someone to buy the naming rights, it may well work out ok for them.

I'm not so sure. I read somewhere that the cost of stadium builds works out at around £1m per 1000. Good luck with that one is all I can say. :wink:

I think it's clear that the majority of the foh contributions collected thus far, and probably for the next few years, will be used to fund a large percentage of this stand.

That means Budge will not be paid back in the original timescale (which she apparently indicated may happen today). I can't see anyway she is handing that club over to supporters for years to come - which I think would be good for them, unfortunately!!

Thecat23
03-12-2015, 10:35 PM
It'll be signed and sealed with the usual procedures (i.e. the law) made a mockery of. Never underestimate how snide that lot are, or how much they and the council are all over each other.

Nail on the head right there. That's honestly how I see it. If folk think back handers don't happen they have their eyes closed.

Sergey
03-12-2015, 10:36 PM
The thing is, it will be the fans picking up the tab. If, and it's a big if, they manage to get someone to buy the naming rights, it may well work out ok for them.

I'm not so sure. I read somewhere that the cost of stadium builds works out at around £1m per 1000. Good luck with that one is all I can say. :wink:

Let's be brutally honest. Even if they did get someone to put their name towards the stadium, it's inconceivable that it will be a blue-chip name who are willing to throw mega-bucks at it. Scottish football has little or no coverage outside of Scotland and it's an impossible sell.

How much did St Mirren sell their naming rights for? IIRC it was £40k over 2 seasons.

Ozyhibby
03-12-2015, 10:37 PM
Our East stand cost £3m, so maybe £5m is ok?


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portycabbage
03-12-2015, 10:37 PM
To hell with them.

It will still be in an area that could only be described as a *****hole.
It will still have seats in that disgusting dark pink colour.
It will still be largely occupied by mutants on match day.

Not jealous in the slightest.

GGTTH.

I disagree - many of their seats are very light pink.

Peevemor
03-12-2015, 10:41 PM
Our East stand cost £3m, so maybe £5m is ok?


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I doubt it. The West cost £6m+ IIRC and that was nearly 15 years ago. There was no land/buildings to buy either.

monarch
03-12-2015, 10:44 PM
There's a seriously deluded zoomer (aren't they all) on Keechback referring to a story regarding Barcelona FC being in talks with Qatar Airways about branding their stadium the Qatar Nou Camp. He says he "would be fine" with a similar arrangement providing finance for the new stand at the PBS. Very gracious of him ! I'm sure the sheiks will be queuing up waving their chequebooks at Queen B.
Could use the Wheatfield stand roof as a runway. That would beat Vlad's helicopter landing pad.

Bostonhibby
03-12-2015, 11:01 PM
There's a seriously deluded zoomer (aren't they all) on Keechback referring to a story regarding Barcelona FC being in talks with Qatar Airways about branding their stadium the Qatar Nou Camp. He says he "would be fine" with a similar arrangement providing finance for the new stand at the PBS. Very gracious of him ! I'm sure the sheiks will be queuing up waving their chequebooks at Queen B.
Could use the Wheatfield stand roof as a runway. That would beat Vlad's helicopter landing pad.
Maybe Barcelona will fancy a direct tie up with the charity robbers? Mind you Qatar no cash stadium has a ring to it.

Leithenhibby
03-12-2015, 11:05 PM
Here is a link to Kickback from last May, sorry, but if you race to Post 628 you read what a realistic Jambo has to say.


http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/151890-stadium-update/page-13

Project cost £ 14 million

FoH D.D.s kept going 12 -15 years should cover it !

Then they can start on the other 3, Sorted...... :greengrin

Danderhall Hibs
03-12-2015, 11:09 PM
I'm only saying what she told me. She works there said Budge has been in many times! We'll wait and see.

Yip you never know with these types of deals sometimes they just fall they fall through and you never know why etc etc.

TRC
03-12-2015, 11:10 PM
I know up till 2007 no planning application had ever been submitted and the chatter in those days was always tjat theu would move away from tynecastle. Obviously this was a long time ago and things have moved on. But what gets me is they must have known that restrictions were in place when flattening the dump so i dont see how these could have changed now, if anything you'd think the rules would be more stringent. I also know that the head of planning in those days was in no way a yam, in fact he was at the 7-0 game not a hibby however.

jgl07
03-12-2015, 11:23 PM
Our East stand cost £3m, so maybe £5m is ok?
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Our East Stand is an empty shell and is nowhere near 10,000 capacity.

Hearts Main Stand will be a totally different proposition and will have to include boardroom, changing facilities, training, hospitality, restaurants etc. I estimated £15 million as a minimum price. If the Yam website is correct at £14 million, they must be cutting a few corners especially if you add in the cost of demolition of the old stand and disposal of the toxic debris.

O'Rourke3
03-12-2015, 11:24 PM
Took a trip over to sickbag. I know... Anyway we are seething apparently. I see their problem confusing seethe with sceptacism. No credit line. Owner who wants to keep the stadium named Tynecastle(so no sponsor). Done deal. £5M costs. No plan. No planning permission. Up in 2016/17. Yip seething....

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Thecat23
03-12-2015, 11:34 PM
Yip you never know with these types of deals sometimes they just fall they fall through and you never know why etc etc.

😂😘

hibees 7062
04-12-2015, 12:12 AM
£5m for a 6000 seat stand is very optimistic. Comes in at £833 per seat.


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Have you seen their seats ? :greengrin

hibees 7062
04-12-2015, 12:16 AM
Our East stand cost £3m, so maybe £5m is ok?


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That was during the recession

Mikey09
04-12-2015, 12:40 AM
Just looked on Kickback, Our good old fat faced friend Craigieboy has started a thread about how we are spewing! Completely missing the point it's only a main stand and the other three stands are crap. The pitch is also very small so they still have the same issues!

The best outcome would have been to flatten it and start again. But now it will have 3 old looking stands and a new one. I know what I'd rather have, eh Craigieboy 


Craigieboy?!!!! Sounds like one of those fat fuds who puts oot the cones and fills water bottles for a Sunday pub team yet claims to know everything about fitba!! Sad, fat waste of clothes...

broondog
04-12-2015, 12:49 AM
Have to admit this is an absolute joke. How are they going to fund it? More stealing and thieving presumably. Cheats every last one of them who get away with it and **** their way out the other end time and time again. What is even worse is the way they conduct themselves about the whole situation with Budgie thinking she is some sort of righteous authority figure who is restoring "the good name" of Heart of Midlothian again. As if they ever had a good name in the first place. Deluded nonsense that everyone else can see through apart from them. Even if they get this "new" stand, tyny will always be a *****h0le.

iwasthere1972
04-12-2015, 01:27 AM
Have to admit this is an absolute joke. How are they going to fund it? More stealing and thieving presumably. Cheats every last one of them who get away with it and **** their way out the other end time and time again. What is even worse is the way they conduct themselves about the whole situation with Budgie thinking she is some sort of righteous authority figure who is restoring "the good name" of Heart of Midlothian again. As if they ever had a good name in the first place. Deluded nonsense that everyone else can see through apart from them. Even if they get this "new" stand, tyny will always be a *****h0le.

Spot on. You took the words out of my mouth. :aok:

Hearts - Cheating since 1874

SteveHFC
04-12-2015, 01:31 AM
Just looked on Kickback, Our good old fat faced friend Craigieboy has started a thread about how we are spewing! Completely missing the point it's only a main stand and the other three stands are crap. The pitch is also very small so they still have the same issues!

The best outcome would have been to flatten it and start again. But now it will have 3 old looking stands and a new one. I know what I'd rather have, eh Craigieboy 

Spot on. :top marks

Pete
04-12-2015, 03:47 AM
Have to admit this is an absolute joke. How are they going to fund it? More stealing and thieving presumably. Cheats every last one of them who get away with it and **** their way out the other end time and time again. What is even worse is the way they conduct themselves about the whole situation with Budgie thinking she is some sort of righteous authority figure who is restoring "the good name" of Heart of Midlothian again. As if they ever had a good name in the first place. Deluded nonsense that everyone else can see through apart from them. Even if they get this "new" stand, tyny will always be a *****h0le.

We aren't that bothered I'm afraid.




Nice try :aok:

Libby Hibby
04-12-2015, 04:23 AM
To me, this is an appeal from Budge to the fans to keep pledging money to the FoH and to those who haven't joined, to join. She more or less said so in her speach at the AGM.

Time will tell if the stand will get built and it doesn't really bother me if it does but Hearts have a history of shouting their mouths of before an event and it wouldn't surprise me if this is just another in a long line of pie in the sky ideas to keep the money flowing from the fans.

Cabbage East
04-12-2015, 06:04 AM
Utter fiction. Surely even the mutants over there know that?

Pedantic_Hibee
04-12-2015, 06:29 AM
Ah, Craigieboy....its been a few years since I used to annihilate him on a near weekly basis.

It might be time to dust down the keyboard and destroy him again. On their website. On his thread. Perfect storm.

Moulin Yarns
04-12-2015, 06:47 AM
Do you work with the council GF? Just you may know my sister. She's been there years and is quite high up so to speak. If so I'll drop you a PM. She says planning was submitted a while back and everything has been agreed!

Again I'm only going on what she's told me tonight! Maybe you know a bit more! Either way it's going to happen but I think it's hilarious how the hearts fans are falling over themselves about it.


No, I'm in Perth, but work with Planners all the time.

The point is, for large developments that might be seen as controversial, the applicant is recommended to have discussions before making the application to make sure it meets with planning policy. even if I was building an extension I would talk to a planner in case there were restrictions in materials I could use or the height of the roof. I don't doubt your sister, there will have been meetings, particularly if the land is not all owned by Hearts. It doesn't mean it is just getting rubber stamped, there is still due process where the public will be able to comment or object and that can take at least 8 weeks or more. I deal with wildlife and I would be thinking the old building may need a bat survey, and if there isn't one I would be asking for one to be submitted before the application is considered (Scottish Planning Policy is clear on this).

There is nothing on the CEC Planning site other than the Vlad application from 2008. It is possible this is what Budge is going with, but I doubt it.

Keith_M
04-12-2015, 07:56 AM
Haven't we heard all this before somewhere?

Maybe they can re-use the 'now that's what I call a planning application'.

3pm
04-12-2015, 08:04 AM
Gorgie is a ****hole.

Bostonhibby
04-12-2015, 08:26 AM
No, I'm in Perth, but work with Planners all the time.

The point is, for large developments that might be seen as controversial, the applicant is recommended to have discussions before making the application to make sure it meets with planning policy. even if I was building an extension I would talk to a planner in case there were restrictions in materials I could use or the height of the roof. I don't doubt your sister, there will have been meetings, particularly if the land is not all owned by Hearts. It doesn't mean it is just getting rubber stamped, there is still due process where the public will be able to comment or object and that can take at least 8 weeks or more. I deal with wildlife and I would be thinking the old building may need a bat survey, and if there isn't one I would be asking for one to be submitted before the application is considered (Scottish Planning Policy is clear on this).

There is nothing on the CEC Planning site other than the Vlad application from 2008. It is possible this is what Budge is going with, but I doubt it.
This is how it's meant to go so in the absence of any evidence of them having to follow the rules it can only be budgie visiting all those who have had their snouts in the gorgie trough to remind them who's in charge.

Watch this space for how flexible your council can be

greenginger
04-12-2015, 08:41 AM
Haven't we heard all this before somewhere?

Maybe they can re-use the 'now that's what I call a planning application'.

Not totally impossible. Its still a live planning application and had the application fee paid.

I don't know if the original architects could have any complaints if a complete new set of drawings from other architects were submitted as an amendment. We have to assume they got paid as there were no Architects on their list of shame.

I still think its been triggered by a Council warning that their old stand was going to be closed if action was not taken.

Anyway of confirming this ?

Oscar T Grouch
04-12-2015, 08:47 AM
It's actually good to see someone in charge of them doing something positive for the west Edinburgh community. I hope they pull it off, which will mean 3 decent stadiums for Edinburgh. I hope they have plans to pay for it though, this has been an issue with them in the past, but not with budge. If they take responsibility and demolish the death trap then that is good for everyone involved. Having said all that, we have totally rebuild ER over the last couple of decades, at the cost of being detrimental to the footballing side of the business, I would hate to think the CEC would input any finance to this project, unless of course they will also be contributing the same amount to Hibs, either in free council services for a period of time (no business rates) or in a cash payment (doubtful with no cash).

If they are going to do this, I hope they take full responsibility and take the full cost upon themselves. It only seems fair. I wonder if the DD and high attendances will continue when their money is going into the stadium instead of the playing side?

Peevemor
04-12-2015, 08:49 AM
No, I'm in Perth, but work with Planners all the time.

The point is, for large developments that might be seen as controversial, the applicant is recommended to have discussions before making the application to make sure it meets with planning policy. even if I was building an extension I would talk to a planner in case there were restrictions in materials I could use or the height of the roof.

Exactly. The idea is to sort out any problems in advance, thus speeding up the whole process.


I don't doubt your sister, there will have been meetings, particularly if the land is not all owned by Hearts.

That makes no difference whatsoever. All that is required is that you inform the current owners that you've submitted an application.


It doesn't mean it is just getting rubber stamped, there is still due process where the public will be able to comment or object and that can take at least 8 weeks or more.

Correct, there are also the various statutory bodies that are consulted - police, environmental health, etc.


I deal with wildlife and I would be thinking the old building may need a bat survey, and if there isn't one I would be asking for one to be submitted before the application is considered (Scottish Planning Policy is clear on this).

15725


There is nothing on the CEC Planning site other than the Vlad application from 2008. It is possible this is what Budge is going with, but I doubt it.

No. It'll be a new application.

Geo_1875
04-12-2015, 08:50 AM
Not totally impossible. Its still a live planning application and had the application fee paid.

I don't know if the original architects could have any complaints if a complete new set of drawings from other architects were submitted as an amendment. We have to assume they got paid as there were no Architects on their list of shame.

I still think its been triggered by a Council warning that their old stand was going to be closed if action was not taken.

Anyway of confirming this ?

Architects? I thought Son of Vlad drew those plans with his wax crayons.

Bill Milne
04-12-2015, 09:18 AM
I am sure the Yams at CEC will find an excuse to use our money to build whatever monstrosity is planned.

Moulin Yarns
04-12-2015, 09:22 AM
Confirmed that the Vlad plans have been withdrawn 27th July this year.


TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING (SCOTLAND) ACT 1997 AS AMENDED BY THE PLANNING ETC. (SCOTLAND) ACT 2006
Replacement of the main stand, construction of mixed use premises comprising, hotel, serviced residential apartments, eight flatted residential apartments, offices, gym, club shop, restaurant, conference facilities and basement car park together with ancillary development and associated engineering works at Tynecastle Stadium, 1 Tynecastle Terrace, 13, 13a, 15 Mcleod Street, Edinburgh, EH11 2NL
REFERENCE NUMBER: 08/00161/FUL



Notice of Inactive Planning Application

I refer to the above application which was registered on 18 January 2008.

It would appear from our records that the application is no longer active. The Scottish Government strongly urge planning authorities to take action to conclude these ‘legacy’ cases.

Therefore, unless we hear to the contrary within 21 days from the date of this letter, we intend to treat the application as withdrawn.

greenginger
04-12-2015, 09:31 AM
Confirmed that the Vlad plans have been withdrawn 27th July this year.


TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING (SCOTLAND) ACT 1997 AS AMENDED BY THE PLANNING ETC. (SCOTLAND) ACT 2006
Replacement of the main stand, construction of mixed use premises comprising, hotel, serviced residential apartments, eight flatted residential apartments, offices, gym, club shop, restaurant, conference facilities and basement car park together with ancillary development and associated engineering works at Tynecastle Stadium, 1 Tynecastle Terrace, 13, 13a, 15 Mcleod Street, Edinburgh, EH11 2NL
REFERENCE NUMBER: 08/00161/FUL



Notice of Inactive PlanningApplication



I refer to the above application which was registered on 18 January 2008.

It would appear from our records that the application is no longer active. The Scottish Government strongly urge planning authorities to take action to conclude these ‘legacy’ cases.

Therefore, unless we hear to the contrary within 21 days from the date of this letter, we intend to treat the application as withdrawn.



I just saw that on the Council site. The application is noted as pending, so it might be possible that there has been a response from Hearts but its not been logged.

TrinityHibs
04-12-2015, 09:32 AM
No, I'm in Perth, but work with Planners all the time.

The point is, for large developments that might be seen as controversial, the applicant is recommended to have discussions before making the application to make sure it meets with planning policy. even if I was building an extension I would talk to a planner in case there were restrictions in materials I could use or the height of the roof. I don't doubt your sister, there will have been meetings, particularly if the land is not all owned by Hearts. It doesn't mean it is just getting rubber stamped, there is still due process where the public will be able to comment or object and that can take at least 8 weeks or more. I deal with wildlife and I would be thinking the old building may need a bat survey, and if there isn't one I would be asking for one to be submitted before the application is considered (Scottish Planning Policy is clear on this).

There is nothing on the CEC Planning site other than the Vlad application from 2008. It is possible this is what Budge is going with, but I doubt it.

It goes beyond recommendation. If its a Major application the applicant has to lodge a PAN. This runs for three months. During that time the applicant has to consult with the community. This is registered on the CoE planning portal. After the PAN period the applicant pulls together the comments, makes any amendments and submits the application. With a major application this should take a few weeks or the applicant is only playing lip service to the consultation period. Lodge the application and then there are 4 months for statutory consultation. They also have to run a listed building application at the same time. If there are no objections the application decision can be delegated. If there are more than 5 or 10 (not sure what Edinburgh sets) the application has to go to committee. If there is a S.75 agreement required the consent will only be released after that is registered. If they do all of that in under a year they will have done very well. Also if a S.75 is needed they will have to ensure that any third party landowners will burden their land to allow the consent to be released.

As far as surveys are concerned they can be asked to do bats, air quality, acoustic, Site Investigation, ASBESTOS, traffic and construction management. All of these can be dealt with its just a matter of time and money.

Moulin Yarns
04-12-2015, 09:36 AM
it goes beyond recommendation. If its a major application the applicant has to lodge a pan. This runs for three months. During that time the applicant has to consult with the community. This is registered on the coe planning portal. After the pan period the applicant pulls together the comments, makes any amendments and submits the application. With a major application this should take a few weeks or the applicant is only playing lip service to the consultation period. Lodge the application and then there are 4 months for statutory consultation. they also have to run a listed building application at the same time. If there are no objections the application decision can be delegated. If there are more than 5 or 10 (not sure what edinburgh sets) the application has to go to committee. If there is a s.75 agreement required the consent will only be released after that is registered. If they do all of that in under a year they will have done very well. Also if a s.75 is needed they will have to ensure that any third party landowners will burden their land to allow the consent to be released.

As far as surveys are concerned they can be asked to do bats, air quality, acoustic, site investigation, asbestos, traffic and construction management. All of these can be dealt with its just a matter of time and money.

it is not a listed building.

CorrieHibs
04-12-2015, 09:41 AM
Made me laugh.



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Sorry if someone already made a comment about this I haven't seen it.

Hearts one of the top 20 supported clubs in the UK?! 😂😂😂.
Oh dear god, they actually believe this?

They are more deluded than I thought. From board to fans.

Oscar T Grouch
04-12-2015, 09:42 AM
it is not a listed building.

I maybe wrong and I'm happy to be corrected, but do you not need to apply if you're building next to a listed building or wherever there is a risk of damage to a listed building? There are a couple of listed building around tynecastle which maybe are in danger of damage if there is suddenly a building site with heavy plant next to it?

brog
04-12-2015, 09:45 AM
No, I'm in Perth, but work with Planners all the time.

The point is, for large developments that might be seen as controversial, the applicant is recommended to have discussions before making the application to make sure it meets with planning policy. even if I was building an extension I would talk to a planner in case there were restrictions in materials I could use or the height of the roof. I don't doubt your sister, there will have been meetings, particularly if the land is not all owned by Hearts. It doesn't mean it is just getting rubber stamped, there is still due process where the public will be able to comment or object and that can take at least 8 weeks or more. I deal with wildlife and I would be thinking the old building may need a bat survey, and if there isn't one I would be asking for one to be submitted before the application is considered (Scottish Planning Policy is clear on this).

There is nothing on the CEC Planning site other than the Vlad application from 2008. It is possible this is what Budge is going with, but I doubt it.

I think you've pretty much summed it up. I don't doubt that Budge has been in & out of the Council but these will probably have been preparatory meetings just to ensure there's no showstopper for any proposals which may come along. That's fairly routine procedure. Conversely I also don't doubt that a fair bit of lobbying will have happened at the same time. I also think GG may be on the money in that with all the recent programmes about the 30th anniversary of the Bradford fire someone may just have finally recognised that the asbestos stand needs to be pulled down before it falls or burns down.

Peevemor
04-12-2015, 09:46 AM
I maybe wrong and I'm happy to be corrected, but do you not need to apply if you're building next to a listed building or wherever there is a risk of damage to a listed building? There are a couple of listed building around tynecastle which maybe are in danger of damage if there is suddenly a building site with heavy plant next to it?

Things may have changed since, but that wasn't the case when I left Edinburgh 11 years ago. There's a separate application to make if you're in a conservation area, but I doubt that applies to Gorgie.

Oscar T Grouch
04-12-2015, 09:49 AM
Things may have changed since, but that wasn't the case when I left Edinburgh 11 years ago. There's a separate application to make if you're in a conservation area, but I doubt that applies to Gorgie.

👍🏻 cheers. My thoughts came from a friend who built next to a listed building in Edinburgh. It may have been the extent of ground works that meant he had to deal with the listed building People.

greenginger
04-12-2015, 09:51 AM
It goes beyond recommendation. If its a Major application the applicant has to lodge a PAN. This runs for three months. During that time the applicant has to consult with the community. This is registered on the CoE planning portal. After the PAN period the applicant pulls together the comments, makes any amendments and submits the application. With a major application this should take a few weeks or the applicant is only playing lip service to the consultation period. Lodge the application and then there are 4 months for statutory consultation. They also have to run a listed building application at the same time. If there are no objections the application decision can be delegated. If there are more than 5 or 10 (not sure what Edinburgh sets) the application has to go to committee. If there is a S.75 agreement required the consent will only be released after that is registered. If they do all of that in under a year they will have done very well. Also if a S.75 is needed they will have to ensure that any third party landowners will burden their land to allow the consent to be released.

As far as surveys are concerned they can be asked to do bats, air quality, acoustic, Site Investigation, ASBESTOS, traffic and construction management. All of these can be dealt with its just a matter of time and money.


That's why amending the 2008 application would make sense. A lot of the issues were dealt with , of course a few were not.

Peevemor
04-12-2015, 09:54 AM
That's why amending the 2008 application would make sense. A lot of the issues were dealt with , of course a few were not.

But the issues aren't the same. Now there'll be no hotel, no separate office development, 5000 (?) less spectators, plus certain guidelines and regulations are sure to have been modified since.

greenginger
04-12-2015, 10:02 AM
But the issues aren't the same. Now there'll be no hotel, no separate office development, 5000 (?) less spectators, plus certain guidelines and regulations are sure to have been modified since.


If the Vlad application had been withdrawn it would have been noted as such by now. It hasn't, its still noted as application pending.

Moulin Yarns
04-12-2015, 10:21 AM
If the Vlad application had been withdrawn it would have been noted as such by now. It hasn't, its still noted as application pending.

I posted a letter from CEC to Hearts agents telling them it was deemed withdrawn in July this year.

jacomo
04-12-2015, 11:24 AM
That's why amending the 2008 application would make sense. A lot of the issues were dealt with , of course a few were not.

Unfortunately, one of the issues not dealt with by the 2008 plan was 'basic plausibility'.

More chance of Hertz launching their own mission to the moon than building that stand.

Jim44
04-12-2015, 11:24 AM
Mock all we want, looks like good news for them.


:agree: A disinterested silence here will thwart their anticipation of page after page of seething jealousy on this board. Let them get on with it.

My first reaction was scepticism but also, so what, we'll see what happens in due course. Having thought about it and having read the article in the Scotsman, I'm more inclined to put it down to Budge trying to keep the direct debits on tap and attract a few more contributers.

Scouse Hibee
04-12-2015, 11:25 AM
I had a quick look over on KeekmybackdoorsinDa for a laugh. Hahahahaha what a bunch of deluded Hibs obsessed inbred halfwits :hilarious

Northern Hibby
04-12-2015, 12:21 PM
Once the old stand is knocked down they can just watch from the street.



I'd still turn my back.


:greengrin

Thecat23
04-12-2015, 12:25 PM
Craigieboy?!!!! Sounds like one of those fat fuds who puts oot the cones and fills water bottles for a Sunday pub team yet claims to know everything about fitba!! Sad, fat waste of clothes...

This really made me laugh 😂😂

Smartie
04-12-2015, 12:44 PM
Only the world's richest clubs would be able to fund a project like this out of their own pockets without credit from somewhere. Anyone offering that mob any form of credit deserves to lose their money.

Fair play to the jambos if they manage to pull this off but I cannot see this happening.

It would be nice touch though if they could name something in the stand after every creditor they bumped.

The Lithuanian taxpayer suite.

The Scott Wilson sink.

The James Sandison cludgie.

Biggie
04-12-2015, 12:56 PM
Only the world's richest clubs would be able to fund a project like this out of their own pockets without credit from somewhere. Anyone offering that mob any form of credit deserves to lose their money.

Fair play to the jambos if they manage to pull this off but I cannot see this happening.

It would be nice touch though if they could name something in the stand after every creditor they bumped.
The Lithuanian taxpayer suite.

The Scott Wilson sink.

The James Sandison cludgie.

Jesus, will the stand be big enough

Thecat23
04-12-2015, 12:58 PM
Jesus, will the stand be big enough

Well isn't it being built to hold 400,000 of them?

jgl07
04-12-2015, 01:17 PM
Only the world's richest clubs would be able to fund a project like this out of their own pockets without credit from somewhere. Anyone offering that mob any form of credit deserves to lose their money.

Fair play to the jambos if they manage to pull this off but I cannot see this happening.

The only way that credit would be forthcoming is if Budge was able to guarantee it personally and was perceived to be good for it. But isn't Budge opposed to letting Hearts get back into debt?

Hibs didn't have a sparkling credit rating in the mid-1990s and the rebuilding of Easter Road was done using loans guaranteed by Tom Farmer.

I don't see it happening in the near future. The problem is, what happens if the Main Stand is condemned? This may be an attempt to deflect that particular bullet?

I don't see how a 10,000 seater stand including all the Main Stand facilities can be built for much less than £15 million. They could scale down and build a 6,000 seater (like Hibs East Stand) with minimal facilities for a lot less. That would mean them accepting that Easter Road was Edinburgh's prime football stadium and it is not in their nature to do that.

Fundamentally Tynecastle is a basket case, the pitch is too small, it is constrained all around and it would probably be cheaper to build a new stadium elsewhere. The Pieman spotted this 12 years ago.

BS44
04-12-2015, 01:31 PM
Not had a chance to read the whole thread so forgive me if this is old hat. With the new stand they are looking to fill in the corners at the Gorgie and Roseburn stands. The problem they have got with this is the pillar(s) that the floodlights are on also hold the beams that go across the top of the stand and hold the roof up. Or so I was told.....B)

Peevemor
04-12-2015, 01:33 PM
Not had a chance to read the whole thread so forgive me if this is old hat. With the new stand they are looking to fill in the corners at the Gorgie and Roseburn stands. The problem they have got with this is the pillar(s) that the floodlights are on also hold the beams that go across the top of the stand and hold the roof up. Or so I was told.....B)

Definitely the case.

Onceinawhile
04-12-2015, 01:37 PM
The only way that credit would be forthcoming is if Budge was able to guarantee it personally and was perceived to be good for it. But isn't Budge opposed to letting Hearts get back into debt?

Hibs didn't have a sparkling credit rating in the mid-1990s and the rebuilding of Easter Road was done using loans guaranteed by Tom Farmer.

I don't see it happening in the near future. The problem is, what happens if the Main Stand is condemned? This may be an attempt to deflect that particular bullet?

I don't see how a 10,000 seater stand including all the Main Stand facilities can be built for much less than £15 million. They could scale down and build a 6,000 seater (like Hibs East Stand) with minimal facilities for a lot less. That would mean them accepting that Easter Road was Edinburgh's prime football stadium and it is not in their nature to do that.

Fundamentally Tynecastle is a basket case, the pitch is too small, it is constrained all around and it would probably be cheaper to build a new stadium elsewhere. The Pieman spotted this 12 years ago.

Who has said it will seat 10,000?

green day
04-12-2015, 01:38 PM
The only way that credit would be forthcoming is if Budge was able to guarantee it personally and was perceived to be good for it. But isn't Budge opposed to letting Hearts get back into debt?

Yep, the only way this happens financially is if Budge (or another wealthy person) takes the financial gamble.

If that happens, either the club takes on a massive debt (which she said they wont do) or she takes on the debt and the FoH direct debits roll on for 10 years or so til they can repay her??

The "about to be fan owned" PR will therefore be complete nonsense, unless Budgie is about to gift the whole lot to FoH - which, if she does is a remarkable bout of altruism.

I'm with you, I just cant see even a properly fitted out 6000 seater being less than £10M, unless it is a real Livingston cheapo job (and given the jambos big man, small c0ck syndrome that will never happen)

greenginger
04-12-2015, 01:47 PM
I posted a letter from CEC to Hearts agents telling them it was deemed withdrawn in July this year.


No, the letter says that unless they hear to the contrary within 21 days the application will be treated as withdrawn.

I take they must have been contact because the application is not withdrawn and is still " pending decision "

Danderhall Hibs
04-12-2015, 01:48 PM
Who has said it will seat 10,000?

They're taking the capacity up to get one up on us so I assume 10k is the difference?

iwasthere1972
04-12-2015, 02:01 PM
They're taking the capacity up to get one up on us so I assume 10k is the difference?

10,000 seater stand for £5 million. What materials are they using? Wood and asbestos?

Harpandcastle
04-12-2015, 02:11 PM
Away from tynecastle does anyone know what the arrangement is regarding the new facilities being built at heriot watt? I heard a guy at work saying hearts had full and unhindered access to everything being built and this was stated at their agm. I know they are tenants at heriot watt but this new / additional complex is being built using a lot of public funds so I'd find it strange that any one club would reap the benefits of a national performance centre. There is no mention of them on the Oriam website.

Danderhall Hibs
04-12-2015, 02:11 PM
10,000 seater stand for £5 million. What materials are they using? Wood and asbestos?

The precedent has been set. :greengrin

southsider
04-12-2015, 02:16 PM
Behind all the jokes about the asbestos stand lies a real problem for them. All full risk assessment programme will have to be carried out and with it satisfy the HSE that no problems will arise from its removal and ultimate disposal. That alone will cost time and money. Prepare for objections in court about health issues. Asbestos is a killer.

GreenCastle
04-12-2015, 02:21 PM
Away from tynecastle does anyone know what the arrangement is regarding the new facilities being built at heriot watt? I heard a guy at work saying hearts had full and unhindered access to everything being built and this was stated at their agm. I know they are tenants at heriot watt but this new / additional complex is being built using a lot of public funds so I'd find it strange that any one club would reap the benefits of a national performance centre. There is no mention of them on the Oriam website.

Regarding the new PBS main stand - would be amazed if they can knock down existing stand / acquire required land / build a new stand (with hospitality / changing rooms / club store / new nursery ?! etc) for £5 million!

Ours cost £7 million I believe in 2001.

They may as well use the £5 million plus and buy some better players to win the league since Celtic are so poor right now..

The Heriot Watt issue does concern me - they owned a fortune to them....did they ever pay it ???

They are now going to be getting use of a full size indoor 3G pitch plus other sports science equipment / gym etc and a facility which will be very good.

Several of the backers have yam links. I think Falkirk use Stirling Uni not sure the agreement there - but serious questions should be asked about the HW link.

lapsedhibee
04-12-2015, 02:21 PM
10,000 seater stand for £5 million. What materials are they using? Wood and asbestos?



they have had 3 different architects looking at the project and one has come up with an innovative solution. No mention of what solution is but ECC planning department has been heavily involved and it looks like this is the one that's got the go ahead. ........

I believe the innovative solution involves building the new stand over the existing one, so that most of the preparation work can be carried out before the old stand is demolished.

The £5m will be to build however many seats they need to outseat ER on top of the existing asbestos and wood 'structure', and then the demolition phase of the project will be abandoned. Result: bigger capacity than ER, cost £5m. Job done.

Ozyhibby
04-12-2015, 02:34 PM
I have not seen it anywhere that the new stand will be 10,000 seats.
Budge said it would take them to 20,000 capacity so that would indicate a 6,000 seat stand. She has also said £5m. Our east cost less than that but that is a shell of a stand. The Yams would need to spend quite a bit more to fit out their new stand. At that price though it's still going to be pretty basic. Steel is cheaper now than when we built the east (another Petrie balls up [emoji6]) so that will help.
On the finance front, they will get it as long as budge stands behind it, and she will.
All in all, it's not going to change their fortunes much. We will still have the best stadium in the city by a distance.


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Dashing Bob S
04-12-2015, 02:35 PM
Joking apart, this can't be as grandiose as the 10,000 project proposed by Vlad, which was never a goer, and just designed to appease the fanbase.

The only way they could afford to build something that wasn't too shabby would be to do a Hibs, and let the playing side suffer for years.

I suspect that this is just about keeping the application 'live' till the transfer of the club's ownership to the fans in three years time.

Yes, try reading the second part of that sentence with a straight face.

iwasthere1972
04-12-2015, 02:49 PM
I have not seen it anywhere that the new stand will be 10,000 seats.
Budge said it would take them to 20,000 capacity so that would indicate a 6,000 seat stand. She has also said £5m. Our east cost less than that but that is a shell of a stand. The Yams would need to spend quite a bit more to fit out their new stand. At that price though it's still going to be pretty basic. Steel is cheaper now than when we built the east (another Petrie balls up [emoji6]) so that will help.
On the finance front, they will get it as long as budge stands behind it, and she will.
All in all, it's not going to change their fortunes much. We will still have the best stadium in the city by a distance.


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The proposed new stand would have to be nearer 7,000 to get to 20,000. That rickety old stand apparently holds 4,800.

Expect this thread to still be going in five years time. :agree:

Mr White
04-12-2015, 03:09 PM
Behind all the jokes about the asbestos stand lies a real problem for them. All full risk assessment programme will have to be carried out and with it satisfy the HSE that no problems will arise from its removal and ultimate disposal. That alone will cost time and money. Prepare for objections in court about health issues. Asbestos is a killer.

Asbestos is a killer but corrugated asbestos cement sheeting that their stand is roofed with is very much at the lower end of the risk scale of asbestos removal and is unlikely to increase the demolition costs by any significant amount. Studies have shown that once the asbestos fibres are encased in cement they tend not to be easily released and while care and appropriate precautions should be taken during it's removal it's a very different situation to the removal of say loose fibre asbestos insulation or lagging where fibre release is inevitable and high risk.

green glory
04-12-2015, 03:18 PM
To be fair they can do this well under £5m if they build it out of the same materials as the last new stand...namely pixels.

Sergey
04-12-2015, 03:19 PM
Asbestos is a killer but corrugated asbestos cement sheeting that their stand is roofed with is very much at the lower end of the risk scale of asbestos removal and is unlikely to increase the demolition costs by any significant amount. Studies have shown that once the asbestos fibres are encased in cement they tend not to be easily released and while care and appropriate precautions should be taken during it's removal it's a very different situation to the removal of say loose fibre asbestos insulation or lagging where fibre release is inevitable and high risk.

Yip.

There's a row of garages getting taken down quite close to my gaff and the contractors are simply removing the asbestos sheeting that was the roof and lobbing it into a lidded style skip. They're only wearing face-masks and gloves (and obviously other clothing) so it doesn't look like it's too hazardous a material.

The disposal costs might be slightly greater than that of hardcore and the like, but it might be OK for adding to landfill?

poolman
04-12-2015, 04:08 PM
10,000 seater stand for £5 million. What materials are they using? Wood and asbestos?


Here's the new design



http://i65.tinypic.com/rcmveg.jpg

ancient hibee
04-12-2015, 04:09 PM
My son had a text read out on Sportsound last night.

"Great news about Tynecastle.Lots of great memories there.Especially Hibs winning seven nil".

It made Chick Young laugh.

Mr White
04-12-2015, 04:44 PM
Yip.

There's a row of garages getting taken down quite close to my gaff and the contractors are simply removing the asbestos sheeting that was the roof and lobbing it into a lidded style skip. They're only wearing face-masks and gloves (and obviously other clothing) so it doesn't look like it's too hazardous a material.

The disposal costs might be slightly greater than that of hardcore and the like, but it might be OK for adding to landfill?
I think strictly speaking it's meant to be bagged marked and disposed of in the same way as any other material known or suspected to contain asbestos but what the guys near you are doing is far more common :cb

NAE NOOKIE
04-12-2015, 05:26 PM
I have not seen it anywhere that the new stand will be 10,000 seats.
Budge said it would take them to 20,000 capacity so that would indicate a 6,000 seat stand. She has also said £5m. Our east cost less than that but that is a shell of a stand. The Yams would need to spend quite a bit more to fit out their new stand. At that price though it's still going to be pretty basic. Steel is cheaper now than when we built the east (another Petrie balls up [emoji6]) so that will help.
On the finance front, they will get it as long as budge stands behind it, and she will.
All in all, it's not going to change their fortunes much. We will still have the best stadium in the city by a distance.


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Eh ..... As I recall steel was cheaper than it had been for years at the time and that was one of the reasons we built the stand when we did. That and the risk of the planning permission running out. I'm all for Petrie bashing, but lets be fair about it.

Peevemor
04-12-2015, 05:32 PM
The difference is that anything containing asbestos has to dismantled carefully as opposed to being blootered as quickly as possible. This, together with additional disposal charges, is what costs more.

I know that when a certain former department store was converted to a hotel, they discovered asbestos sheets surrounding an existing lift well. Ordinarily this would have meant clearing everyone off the site while the experts sorted it out - a nightmare for a project already behind schedule. One weekend later (and one labourer £200 better off) the problem no longer existed. :greengrin

jacomo
04-12-2015, 05:37 PM
Eh ..... As I recall steel was cheaper than it had been for years at the time and that was one of the reasons we built the stand when we did. That and the risk of the planning permission running out. I'm all for Petrie bashing, but lets be fair about it.

:agree:

Even Petrie can't be blamed for the glut in Chinese steel causing prices to collapse.

This might be a short term thing anyhow - overall, construction costs have risen sharply over past few years as there is a construction boom in the UK right now and companies aren't cutting bids to the bone to win work.

AinsterHibs
04-12-2015, 05:39 PM
To be fair they can do this well under £5m if they build it out of the same materials as the last new stand...namely pixels.

:thumbsup:

Is the asbestos issue a real issue, or something we all thought would add to the yaks misery the first time round?

If so, this could make things so much more interesting.

:gwa:

1987kev
04-12-2015, 05:41 PM
Pitch inspection due at 7:30 am tomorrow at the death trap

Ozyhibby
04-12-2015, 05:46 PM
:agree:

Even Petrie can't be blamed for the glut in Chinese steel causing prices to collapse.

This might be a short term thing anyhow - overall, construction costs have risen sharply over past few years as there is a construction boom in the UK right now and companies aren't cutting bids to the bone to win work.

While I don't expect him to be able to predict world commodity markets (he can't even run Hibs) it is just another example of his reverse Midas touch. Prices have almost halved since we built.


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grunt
04-12-2015, 05:47 PM
I know that when a certain former department store was converted to a hotel, they discovered asbestos sheets surrounding an existing lift well. Ordinarily this would have meant clearing everyone off the site while the experts sorted it out - a nightmare for a project already behind schedule. One weekend later (and one labourer £200 better off) the problem no longer existed. :greengrinWell I wish that labourer the best of luck. Sadly mesothelioma is no laughing matter.

Mr White
04-12-2015, 05:56 PM
Was the roof of our old main stand asbestos cement sheet or metal? If it was the former anyone know how much it affected the west stand construction in 2001? I don't remember it being mentioned at the time.

greenginger
04-12-2015, 06:03 PM
Was the roof of our old main stand asbestos cement sheet or metal? If it was the former anyone know how much it affected the west stand construction in 2001? I don't remember it being mentioned at the time.


Pretty sure it was corrugated steel, the sides and back definitely were, I remember the rust !

Pete
04-12-2015, 06:45 PM
While I don't expect him to be able to predict world commodity markets (he can't even run Hibs) it is just another example of his reverse Midas touch. Prices have almost halved since we built.


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I'm sure Petrie crossed the Forth bridge a few days ago.

Coincidence?

Mr White
04-12-2015, 06:46 PM
Pretty sure it was corrugated steel, the sides and back definitely were, I remember the rust !

Aye that would make sense!

Ozyhibby
04-12-2015, 07:35 PM
I'm sure Petrie crossed the Forth bridge a few days ago.

Coincidence?

Exactly[emoji3]


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Sammy7nil
04-12-2015, 07:38 PM
Sportsound saying how fantastic it is Hearts have a great longterm sustainable plan LOL

Billy Whizz
04-12-2015, 07:47 PM
Sportsound saying how fantastic it is Hearts have a great longterm sustainable plan LOL

Heard that, also heard them "gushing" about their training ground

sparky
04-12-2015, 09:45 PM
Although Chick did describe the main stand as a "complete dump".

portohibee
04-12-2015, 10:21 PM
The club with no shame right enough, just 2 years after shafting all sorts, owing thousands to small businesses, staff losing jobs etc they announce this, anybody with an ounce of decency would try and pay back their debts first before announcing big spends
I *** hate them with a passion


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Billy Whizz
04-12-2015, 10:28 PM
The club with no shame right enough, just 2 years after shafting all sorts, owing thousands to small businesses, staff losing jobs etc they announce this, anybody with an ounce of decency would try and pay back their debts first before announcing big spends
I *** hate them with a passion


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1two
05-12-2015, 07:20 AM
This is all very well and good for them but until I see a picture of their planning application boxed up ready to be sent out, I don't believe it

LeithSqualk
05-12-2015, 07:41 AM
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See their game is off at the death trap. When was the last time a game was abandoned at Easter Road due to the weather ?

HIBERNIAN-0762
05-12-2015, 08:11 AM
The club with no shame right enough, just 2 years after shafting all sorts, owing thousands to small businesses, staff losing jobs etc they announce this, anybody with an ounce of decency would try and pay back their debts first before announcing big spends
I *** hate them with a passion


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This....

Aldo
05-12-2015, 08:27 AM
Think it was against St Mirren quite a few number of years ago

Thecat23
05-12-2015, 08:42 AM
Eh ..... As I recall steel was cheaper than it had been for years at the time and that was one of the reasons we built the stand when we did. That and the risk of the planning permission running out. I'm all for Petrie bashing, but lets be fair about it.

Spot on, I'm no fan of Petrie but I'm sure he got a good deal back then and knew we had to build a new stand.

MartinfaePorty
05-12-2015, 09:40 AM
Was that St Mirren game not because the M8 was gridlocked and the St Mirren team bus was stuck on it?

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southsider
05-12-2015, 09:46 AM
The club with no shame right enough, just 2 years after shafting all sorts, owing thousands to small businesses, staff losing jobs etc they announce this, anybody with an ounce of decency would try and pay back their debts first before announcing big spends
I *** hate them with a passion


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Whilst I agree they should have been punished it would be legally imposable to pay selected debts and not others. Still, shame on them as they will forever be tarnished.

greenginger
05-12-2015, 09:46 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34951634

Game at the PBS off due to strong winds.

Its not exactly a hurricane that's expected.

They are probably terrified a piece of cladding comes loose and a full Health and Safety audit is ordered and they are closed down indefinitely .

Greenworld
05-12-2015, 09:49 AM
While I don't expect him to be able to predict world commodity markets (he can't even run Hibs) it is just another example of his reverse Midas touch. Prices have almost halved since we built.


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By that logic it will only cost them 3 mill to build a west stand lookalike..
Nice


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RCNG
05-12-2015, 09:49 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34951634

Game at the PBS off due to strong winds.

Its not exactly a hurricane that's expected.

They are probably terrified a piece of cladding comes loose and a full Health and Safety audit is ordered and they are closed down indefinitely .

Sky reported it as a watterlogged pitch.

emerald green
05-12-2015, 10:32 AM
"It's (the proposed/alleged new stand) exactly the same as when it was built, and is probably the worst away dressing room in Scottish football for players to come to."

The above quote is from non other than Robbie Neilson in today's Scotsman.

Billy Whizz
05-12-2015, 10:33 AM
"It's (the proposed/alleged new stand) exactly the same as when it was built, and is probably the worst away dressing room in Scottish football for players to come to."

The above quote is from non other than Robbie Neilson in today's Scotsman.
I played at Tynie for Hibs.net in 2006, and its smaller than my dining room

emerald green
05-12-2015, 10:41 AM
I played at Tynie for Hibs.net in 2006, and its smaller than my dining room

It's about the size of my cludgie BW. Embarrassing for such a "big team". :greengrin

GreenCastle
05-12-2015, 10:49 AM
"It's (the proposed/alleged new stand) exactly the same as when it was built, and is probably the worst away dressing room in Scottish football for players to come to."

The above quote is from non other than Robbie Neilson in today's Scotsman.

Also been in the away dressing room at the PBS and it is indeed very small. Facilities in Edinburgh have bigger dressing rooms for teams.

I actually think this will go against them - will be nicer environment for visiting teams.

The early chat is a single tiered stand (cheaper) at the same height as the other 3. Unless they fill the corners in (mega expensive) I assume it won't be as steep as other 3 stands to accommodate all the muppets.

emerald green
05-12-2015, 10:55 AM
Also been in the away dressing room at the PBS and it is indeed very small. Facilities in Edinburgh have bigger dressing rooms for teams.

I actually think this will go against them - will be nicer environment for visiting teams.

The early chat is a single tiered stand (cheaper) at the same height as the other 3. Unless they fill the corners in (mega expensive) I assume it won't be as steep as other 3 stands to accommodate all the muppets.

Fingers crossed! :aok:

GreenOnions
05-12-2015, 12:37 PM
This is good news all round. The Tynecastle "atmosphere" is always praised - and rightly so - because it is good. However, IMO it's a bit like saying how much you like a particularly run-down and dirty part of town because it's "edgy" and "authentic": A short visit is great but you'd rather not live there.

Seriously though - if any football club with a long history can manage to remain in its original location rather then move to some soulless out-of-town retail area I'm all for it as our sport is losing enough of its identity in other ways as it is.

Moreover - the old main stand is one of the biggest dumps in Scottish football in which we sometime have to sit at cup semi-finals etc. It is an embarrassment and Hearts are the only major Scottish club with such a dilapidated shed still forming part of their ground.

Finally - it will be another way in which Hearts are finally forced to live and perform fairly and in the real world without cheating. Not only have they been cheating for 25 years to a greater extent even than the old Rangers (£60m+ debt write-offs, debt for equity swaps plus creditors they just stiffed is more that six times greater than their turnover). They haven't even spent any of that huge amount of other people's cash on their main stand. It all went on buying European qualification and three Scottish Cups.

Now - not only do they have to pay all their employee costs and bills out of their income (shock :shocked: ) they now have to pay for the most expensive part of their ground over a period of years without having those costs met by Lithuanian taxpayers, local businesses and charities and the UK taxpayer.

Good news for us all round: A nicer stand to sit in when we're at cup semis; it will be better to look at from outside than the current eyesore; and Hearts might even end up paying for it themselves.

poolman
05-12-2015, 01:23 PM
This is good news all round. The Tynecastle "atmosphere" is always praised - and rightly so - because it is good. However, IMO it's a bit like saying how much you like a particularly run-down and dirty part of town because it's "edgy" and "authentic": A short visit is great but you'd rather not live there.

Seriously though - if any football club with a long history can manage to remain in its original location rather then move to some soulless out-of-town retail area I'm all for it as our sport is losing enough of its identity in other ways as it is.

Moreover - the old main stand is one of the biggest dumps in Scottish football in which we sometime have to sit at cup semi-finals etc. It is an embarrassment and Hearts are the only major Scottish club with such a dilapidated shed still forming part of their ground.

Finally - it will be another way in which Hearts are finally forced to live and perform fairly and in the real world without cheating. Not only have they been cheating for 25 years to a greater extent even than the old Rangers (£60m+ debt write-offs, debt for equity swaps plus creditors they just stiffed is more that six times greater than their turnover). They haven't even spent any of that huge amount of other people's cash on their main stand. It all went on buying European qualification and three Scottish Cups.

Now - not only do they have to pay all their employee costs and bills out of their income (shock :shocked: ) they now have to pay for the most expensive part of their ground over a period of years without having those costs met by Lithuanian taxpayers, local businesses and charities and the UK taxpayer.

Good news for us all round: A nicer stand to sit in when we're at cup semis; it will be better to look at from outside than the current eyesore; and Hearts might even end up paying for it themselves.

Excellent post 😀

Thecat23
05-12-2015, 01:34 PM
Reading kickback couple days ago and they were giving it billy big baws how it will be two tier and far better than ours. After the EEN article looks like it will be one tier and very cheap 😂

Bostonhibby
05-12-2015, 01:42 PM
Reading kickback couple days ago and they were giving it billy big baws how it will be two tier and far better than ours. After the EEN article looks like it will be one tier and very cheap 

Big team, big stand? They still don't get it, there was a time when that nice mr Romanov would tell them it could all be done with magic money and they all went off smiling without a backward glance at the reality / victims, even when nothing was actually delivered! Changed days.

Wonder if they will ever own one share for all the cash plus interest budgie is collecting? if I were her I'd get a bit more of my own cash in via this stand - 6% is a great rate of return and you get to play owner for even longer.

Thecat23
05-12-2015, 01:49 PM
Big team, big stand? They still don't get it, there was a time when that nice mr Romanov would tell them it could all be done with magic money and they all went off smiling without a backward glance at the reality / victims, even when nothing was actually delivered! Changed days.

Wonder if they will ever own one share for all the cash plus interest budgie is collecting? if I were her I'd get a bit more of my own cash in via this stand - 6% is a great rate of return and you get to play owner for even longer.

Couldn't agree more. Remember that YouTube video when Vlad first arrived and the boy who looked like a bird was just about thrashing himself on the pitch and talking to Vlad as if he was royalty 😂😂

Onceinawhile
05-12-2015, 01:56 PM
They're taking the capacity up to get one up on us so I assume 10k is the difference?

I've not seen any links apart from on the first page, which was all about the Romanov version.

Thecat23
05-12-2015, 02:07 PM
They're taking the capacity up to get one up on us so I assume 10k is the difference?

That was under Vlad, think this design the new one holds six thousand.

chrisski33
05-12-2015, 02:09 PM
Who cares about if they are building a new stand. As long as its done without finance from the council let them get on with it. Im proud of ur stadium and their stadium will never outshine ours.