Tynecastle Re-Development

[Torto7062]

Wow, is it a listed building? or is it listing?
Wow I can't believe they have even got sponsors for it 😉


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[dangermouse]

What I want to know is, where about in the new stand will these sorts of facilities be?? :greengrin

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Glad I never had a Coke the last time I was there :sick:

[fatbloke]

Heart of Midlothian shunted out into the sticks somewhere in East Lothian, perhaps. PLEASING :agree:

I would prefer not having 15500 merricks in my backyard every second Saturday.:greengrin

[Kojock]

Take the existing costs and add £35 million for the 25,000 seat stadium and you'll see why I'm not buying into the paranoia on this thread.

Selling Meadowbank will rake in a fair few million and as stated in the article the council already have 35 million towards it. Tynecastle will suddenly become prime housing development land. An 8 lane running track with a 500 capacity stand will be built alongside the football / rugby stadium with a 3G playing surface. Watch this space. :wink:

[hibs0666]

Selling Meadowbank will rake in a fair few million and as stated in the article the council already have 35 million towards it. Tynecastle will suddenly become prime housing development land. An 8 lane running track with a 500 capacity stand will be built alongside the football / rugby stadium with a 3G playing surface. Watch this space. :wink:

Again though, the cost of everything minus the 25,000 stadium is over £40 million. Including the stadium , let's make it a cool £78 million (£1,500 per seat). The council has £35 million and no more, so there's £43 million to find.

Let's say we get £10 million for the Gorgie Hole (although it's in a blast zone) and £15 million for the land at Meadowbank.

So now we've got a deficit of £18 million.

It ain't going to happen.

[Ozyhibby]

Meadow bank is not really being replaced with a new stadium as such. It's more of sports centre that's being built.
There is very little crossover with what the council need and what Hearts need. And Edinburgh council need to stay within the city.


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[TRIALIST]

Again though, the cost of everything minus the 25,000 stadium is over £40 million. Including the stadium , let's make it a cool £78 million (£1,500 per seat). The council has £35 million and no more, so there's £43 million to find.

Let's say we get £10 million for the Gorgie Hole (although it's in a blast zone) and £15 million for the land at Meadowbank.

So now we've got a deficit of £18 million.

It ain't going to happen.

Local radio reporting land at the sports centre will raise £35m for housing therefor shortfall will be 6m which the council can live with.
Probably selling the velodrome land.

[judas]

Sane prediction below:

1 hearts will stay in Gorgie
2 hearts will knock down old stand.
3 hearts will replace this with a stand with capacity of 6000
4 new stand will cost £6m and contain similar facilities to ERs west.
5. Stadium will now hold 19000

A lot of fantasy on here and assumption that hearts will want a bigger stadium than hibs. remember that for the best part of the last century Er was substantially bigger than tynie.

Other predictions from uncle Judas (with a smattering of fact):

They're not moving.
Their land costs £10m max (fact - source can't be revealed)
Council won't get into bed with hearts on this one.
The rumour that the main function suite within the new stand will be called the Rix Lounge is incorrect.

[greenginger]

Sane prediction below:

1 hearts will stay in Gorgie
2 hearts will knock down old stand.
3 hearts will replace this with a stand with capacity of 6000
4 new stand will cost £6m and contain similar facilities to ERs west.
5. Stadium will now hold 19000

A lot of fantasy on here and assumption that hearts will want a bigger stadium than hibs. remember that for the best part of the last century Er was substantially bigger than tynie.

Other predictions from uncle Judas (with a smattering of fact):

They're not moving.
Their land costs £10m max (fact - source can't be revealed)
Council won't get into bed with hearts on this one.
The rumour that the main function suite within the new stand will be called the Rix Lounge is incorrect.


" Their land costs £ 10 million max " ? ?

What land, and who does it cost ?

[Ozyhibby]

Sane prediction below:

1 hearts will stay in Gorgie
2 hearts will knock down old stand.
3 hearts will replace this with a stand with capacity of 6000
4 new stand will cost £6m and contain similar facilities to ERs west.
5. Stadium will now hold 19000

A lot of fantasy on here and assumption that hearts will want a bigger stadium than hibs. remember that for the best part of the last century Er was substantially bigger than tynie.

Other predictions from uncle Judas (with a smattering of fact):

They're not moving.
Their land costs £10m max (fact - source can't be revealed)
Council won't get into bed with hearts on this one.
The rumour that the main function suite within the new stand will be called the Rix Lounge is incorrect.

Not sure what the land cost bit is about but the rest is pretty much what will happen. Might cost a bit more than £6m though.


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[jacomo]

Not sure what the land cost bit is about but the rest is pretty much what will happen. Might cost a bit more than £6m though.


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Yep.

As explained earlier in this thread, the idea that they can replace their main stand for anything close to £6m sounds like fantasy.

I do wonder though whether ECC will think it makes more sense to sell the whole Meadowbank site for housing and go in with Hertz on a new multi purpose stadium elsewhere. I imagine the maroons will be lobbying for EEC support like this.

[jgl07]

Sane prediction below:

1 hearts will stay in Gorgie
2 hearts will knock down old stand.
3 hearts will replace this with a stand with capacity of 6000
4 new stand will cost £6m and contain similar facilities to ERs west.
5. Stadium will now hold 19000

A lot of fantasy on here and assumption that hearts will want a bigger stadium than hibs. remember that for the best part of the last century Er was substantially bigger than tynie.

Other predictions from uncle Judas (with a smattering of fact):

They're not moving.
Their land costs £10m max (fact - source can't be revealed)
Council won't get into bed with hearts on this one.
The rumour that the main function suite within the new stand will be called the Rix Lounge is incorrect.
At the risk of repeating myself, you are not going to build a 6,000 capacity main stand with changing facilities, gym and hospitality areas for £6 million. That is even ignoring the costs associated with demolition and relocating the nursery.

Hibs' West Stand cost £6.5 million fifteen years ago.

You need to double or even treble the £6 million figure.

[Ozyhibby]

Yep.

As explained earlier in this thread, the idea that they can replace their main stand for anything close to £6m sounds like fantasy.

I do wonder though whether ECC will think it makes more sense to sell the whole Meadowbank site for housing and go in with Hertz on a new multi purpose stadium elsewhere. I imagine the maroons will be lobbying for EEC support like this.

Problem with this idea is that ECC aren't really looking for a stadium at all. They are intending to build a giant sports centre with a running track. They are building a tiny Spartans sized 500 seater stand so that the mums and dads can watch inter scholastics sports day and that's about it. They have no need for anything bigger.
Just because they are knocking down a stadium does not mean they are replacing it with one.
There is no overlap at all between what Hearts want and what ECC want.


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[Greenworld]

How can Hearts fund a new stand at circa 10 million( guesstimate ). Who would loan that amount , banks are out of Scottish football so where else do they go?
This part makes you wonder as to conversations that may have taken place to sell up and become part of a consortium involving the council...Edinburgh rugby...and athletics...and Sighthill as muted many years ago.
The land there is still untouched after the demolition of the high rise flats..

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[Aldo]

Yep. As explained earlier in this thread, the idea that they can replace their main stand for anything close to £6m sounds like fantasy. I do wonder though whether ECC will think it makes more sense to sell the whole Meadowbank site for housing and go in with Hertz on a new multi purpose stadium elsewhere. I imagine the maroons will be lobbying for EEC support like this.

If and this is a big if this was even thought about I would seriously think the people of Edinburgh City would have something to say.

Considering the large amount of unpaid rates/council tax the yams failed to pay the council.

CEC are quick enough to send you a letter for a missed payment.

[green day]

How can Hearts fund a new stand at circa 10 million( guesstimate ). Who would loan that amount , banks are out of Scottish football so where else do they go?
This part makes you wonder as to conversations that may have taken place to sell up and become part of a consortium involving the council...Edinburgh rugby...and athletics...and Sighthill as muted many years ago.
The land there is still untouched after the demolition of the high rise flats..

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The only reason CEC are doing it at all is because Meadowbank has become far to costly to maintain - thats a known fact.

The area you describe at Sighthill is not large enough even for the replacement Meadowbank, never mind including large football stands.

Of course conspiracy theorists insist they could also build on the football pitches down the road, but even the most rabid jambo politician would find it tricky to come up with a rationale for doing that when there is a perfectly good footprint for the sports centre already at Meadowbank.

The council have a funding gap for the rebuild of meadowbank, but again, its hard to see that being justified by selling meadowbank and tynie and rebuilding on other land - simply to accommodate a private football club owned by a multi millionaire !

Even Alex Salmond would giggle at that one.

[greenginger]

If they are staying in Gorgie, what are they doing about the length of their pitch ?

They need another 7 metres of pitch and a couple of metres behind the goals for minimum UEFA standard.

Would they seriously spend all that money on new facilities knowing they are unusable in European Competions.

I dare say they could buy some of the old Tyncastle School land ( now owned by NB Distillers ) demolish the Roseburn stand and rebuild it 10 metres further back, but that will add another £ 4/5 million to to the costs.

Did Budge even mention the pitch length when she told the faithful they were staying in Gorgie ?

[southsider]

If they are staying in Gorgie, what are they doing about the length of their pitch ?

They need another 7 metres of pitch and a couple of metres behind the goals for minimum UEFA standard.

Would they seriously spend all that money on new facilities knowing they are unusable in European Competions.

I dare say they could buy some of the old Tyncastle School land ( now owned by NB Distillers ) demolish the Roseburn stand and rebuild it 10 metres further back, but that will add another £ 4/5 million to to the costs.

Did Budge even mention the pitch length when she told the faithful they were staying in Gorgie ?
I don't give a flying hoot what they do or don't do. Just as long as it does not cost me money.

[snooky]

Ms Budgie is interviewed in Tynie dressing rooms

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35734889

[Ozyhibby]

How can Hearts fund a new stand at circa 10 million( guesstimate ). Who would loan that amount , banks are out of Scottish football so where else do they go?
This part makes you wonder as to conversations that may have taken place to sell up and become part of a consortium involving the council...Edinburgh rugby...and athletics...and Sighthill as muted many years ago.
The land there is still untouched after the demolition of the high rise flats..

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The council have no interest in building a stadium though? They have no plans bigger than a little 500 seater stand at Meadowbank. Why would they need a 20,000 seater?


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[greenginger]

The Chris Stewart Group own a bit of the footplate for their new stand and someone on here said Chris Stewart had accompanied Mrs Budge to a Council pow-wow.

The Chris Stewart Group are funded with a tie up with Proprium Capital Partners, a Yank property fund.


http://proprium.com/


The cash for the development would be available if ......... there was a guaranteed return for the investment.

[Famous Fiver]

I'll say it again.

Meadowbank will be declared non viable, too costly, for redevelopment. It will be sold off, funds will be amalgamated with contributions from other sources, and hey presto, proposed new development in West Edinburgh will be given appropriate planning permission, and will require a flagship tenant.

Mark my words.

[green day]

I'll say it again.

Meadowbank will be declared non viable, too costly, for redevelopment. It will be sold off, funds will be amalgamated with contributions from other sources, and hey presto, proposed new development in West Edinburgh will be given appropriate planning permission, and will require a flagship tenant.

Mark my words.

I will say it again.

Nonsense........in my opinion

[Famous Fiver]

Wish I had your faith green day.

[judas]

Yep.

As explained earlier in this thread, the idea that they can replace their main stand for anything close to £6m sounds like fantasy.

I do wonder though whether ECC will think it makes more sense to sell the whole Meadowbank site for housing and go in with Hertz on a new multi purpose stadium elsewhere. I imagine the maroons will be lobbying for EEC support like this.

A main stand for £6m perfectly feasible. With our facilities, less likely.

But the stand could be constructed for retro fitting and this would make the sum of £6m very rational

[judas]

" Their land costs £ 10 million max " ? ?

What land, and who does it cost ?

The land on which tiny is based is worth a maximum of £10m. Presumably interested parties would be property developers.

This is relevant, because it influences the feasibility of other stadium schemes hearts may consider (like an out of town purpose built facility)

I say it again though. Hearts will remain at tynecastle, with a new stand.

The council conspiracies are bonkers (not aiming this one at you)

[Colr]

I'll say it again.

Meadowbank will be declared non viable, too costly, for redevelopment. It will be sold off, funds will be amalgamated with contributions from other sources, and hey presto, proposed new development in West Edinburgh will be given appropriate planning permission, and will require a flagship tenant.

Mark my words.

Edinburgh Council owns loads of land west of Edinburgh

[CropleyWasGod]

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[greenginger]

The land on which tiny is based is worth a maximum of £10m. Presumably interested parties would be property developers.

This is relevant, because it influences the feasibility of other stadium schemes hearts may consider (like an out of town purpose built facility)

I say it again though. Hearts will remain at tynecastle, with a new stand.

The council conspiracies are bonkers (not aiming this one at you)


Sorry, can't agree council conspiracies being bonkers . You only have to look at recent history.

In 2011 the council City Development Department ( headed by arch-jambo Dave Anderson) prepared a report recommending the Council assist in building a community stadium for use by HOMFC. The recommendation was based on an independent assessment prepared by Doig-Smith ( Head partner in Edinburgh is Stewart Cobb, another arch-jambo and Hearts shareholder)

Fortunately Councillors voted against the recommendation but Hearts still have the entitlement complex that they should be provided for by the rest of Edinburgh. That is not really surprising, take a look at the Hearts Academy at Riccarton. The University was bumped for £ 5.125 million in their insolvency event, yet they still operate out of the facilities and pay a pittance for the accommodation.

Dave Anderson is no longer with the City, but no doubt his apprentices will be on hand to pull strings for HOMFC.

They need watching !

[hibs0666]

Sorry, can't agree council conspiracies being bonkers . You only have to look at recent history.

In 2011 the council City Development Department ( headed by arch-jambo Dave Anderson) prepared a report recommending the Council assist in building a community stadium for use by HOMFC. The recommendation was based on an independent assessment prepared by Doig-Smith ( Head partner in Edinburgh is Stewart Cobb, another arch-jambo and Hearts shareholder)

Fortunately Councillors voted against the recommendation but Hearts still have the entitlement complex that they should be provided for by the rest of Edinburgh. That is not really surprising, take a look at the Hearts Academy at Riccarton. The University was bumped for £ 5.125 million in their insolvency event, yet they still operate out of the facilities and pay a pittance for the accommodation.

Dave Anderson is no longer with the City, but no doubt his apprentices will be on hand to pull strings for HOMFC.

They need watching !

Dave Anderson is a St. Johnstone supporter as I recall.

[Kato]

Dave Anderson is a St. Johnstone supporter as I recall.

Does that really matter. A councillor in the recent past who was a Celtic fan had a season ticket for Pynkcastle as he wanted to "please the natives".

EC has done nothing to help Hibs in the last 30 years or so but always help Hearts a range of ways.

They need watching.

[greenginger]

Dave Anderson is a St. Johnstone supporter as I recall.


A Saintee who tried to buy the Yams ! :confused:


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-shamed-property-boss-heart-2044087#IPOu1QyuPQc1e9qX.97

[Keith_M]

If Meadowbank is sold and a 'community stadium' is built as a replacement in the west of Edinburgh, then wouldn't it need to be an athletics stadium, with full size track, therefore of no interest to Hearts?

[jgl07]

A main stand for £6m perfectly feasible. With our facilities, less likely.

But the stand could be constructed for retro fitting and this would make the sum of £6m very rational
You might be able to build something like Hibs' East Stand for that, maybe?

But what about dressing rooms or will the players have to change in a portacabin out the back? I don't know what the current facilities for hospitality are in the Main Stand at Tynie, but replacing it with a shell stand would cost Hearts a fair amount through lost income. Where will they put their bulging trophy cabinet? What about their proposed museum complete with Gary Mackay's medal collection. They are the big team aren't they?

Retrofitting can be done but it will be very expensive. This was proved when Hibs built the North Stand and part way through Tom Farmer intervened and ordered that the hospitality facilities be added. This pushed the cost up from £1.5 million (the price of the South Stand) to £4.5 million in 1995.

Regardless of whether it costs £6 million, £12 million or £49 million, it will still have top be paid for. That is an alien concept for Yams. There will be no investment from outside as there is unlikely to be a return give the dire state of Scottish Football. The City Council will certainly give no more than moral support. They certainly gave no help on planning issues to Hearts when they proposed relocating to near Riccarton or Millerhill.

The only option is for a long term mortgage as Hibs used for the North, South, and West Stands. This would require a personal guarantee from someone with real money. I don't know if Budge is sufficiently solvent to do so or even if she is willing.

[Moulin Yarns]

A Saintee who tried to buy the Yams ! :confused:


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-shamed-property-boss-heart-2044087#IPOu1QyuPQc1e9qX.97


I seem to remember a Jambo tried to buy Hibs.

[Eyrie]

I seem to remember a Jambo tried to buy Hibs.

Predatory capitalism at work - he wanted to remove competition to create a monopoly in the city for his sub-standard product and indulge in some asset stripping for personal gain.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Was there not a guy who wanted to merge the Dundee teams? He was going to take a bit from each of their name - Dundee from Dundee and United from Dundee United - and call them Dundee United.

I'm not sure why they didn't think that was a good idea? [emoji4]

[hibs0666]

A Saintee who tried to buy the Yams ! :confused:


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-shamed-property-boss-heart-2044087#IPOu1QyuPQc1e9qX.97

I don't see anything there to suggest that the guy tried to buy the yams. :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

Council just approved the funding for the new Meadowbank sport centre.


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[Geo_1875]

Council just approved the funding for the new Meadowbank sport centre.


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Will the NEW Meadowbank Sport Centre be built near Meadowbank?

[green day]

Will the NEW Meadowbank Sport Centre be built near Meadowbank?

Not sure if you are joking or not. Same location, moved closer to the road.

[brog]

I seem to remember a Jambo tried to buy Hibs.

If you're talking Mercernary he tried to kill Hibs, not buy us!

[Waxy]

Do Edinburgh city not play at Meadowbank? Wheretheygonnago.com?

[GordonHFC]

At the risk of repeating myself, you are not going to build a 6,000 capacity main stand with changing facilities, gym and hospitality areas for £6 million. That is even ignoring the costs associated with demolition and relocating the nursery.

Hibs' West Stand cost £6.5 million fifteen years ago.

You need to double or even treble the £6 million figure.

But they build their stands from pipe cleaners and sticky back plastic so should manage £6m 😊

[jgl07]

Do Edinburgh city not play at Meadowbank? Wheretheygonnago.com?
They could ground share!

[Bostonhibby]

Sorry, can't agree council conspiracies being bonkers . You only have to look at recent history.

In 2011 the council City Development Department ( headed by arch-jambo Dave Anderson) prepared a report recommending the Council assist in building a community stadium for use by HOMFC. The recommendation was based on an independent assessment prepared by Doig-Smith ( Head partner in Edinburgh is Stewart Cobb, another arch-jambo and Hearts shareholder)

Fortunately Councillors voted against the recommendation but Hearts still have the entitlement complex that they should be provided for by the rest of Edinburgh. That is not really surprising, take a look at the Hearts Academy at Riccarton. The University was bumped for £ 5.125 million in their insolvency event, yet they still operate out of the facilities and pay a pittance for the accommodation.

Dave Anderson is no longer with the City, but no doubt his apprentices will be on hand to pull strings for HOMFC.

They need watching !

:agree: Who paid for the assessment to see if the tax payer funded council could build a stadium for a private business, that by then may actually have been behind with its business tax payments.? And as for the University, it was simply a grace and favour based arrangement where they never actually bothered to chase the debt with any conviction.

[jgl07]

Sorry, can't agree council conspiracies being bonkers . You only have to look at recent history.

In 2011 the council City Development Department ( headed by arch-jambo Dave Anderson) prepared a report recommending the Council assist in building a community stadium for use by HOMFC. The recommendation was based on an independent assessment prepared by Doig-Smith ( Head partner in Edinburgh is Stewart Cobb, another arch-jambo and Hearts shareholder)

Fortunately Councillors voted against the recommendation but Hearts still have the entitlement complex that they should be provided for by the rest of Edinburgh. That is not really surprising, take a look at the Hearts Academy at Riccarton. The University was bumped for £ 5.125 million in their insolvency event, yet they still operate out of the facilities and pay a pittance for the accommodation.

Dave Anderson is no longer with the City, but no doubt his apprentices will be on hand to pull strings for HOMFC.

They need watching !
Dave Anderson was suspended and subsequently forced to resign as he was at the centre of the corruption scandal in common repairs.

Basically, the City Council surveyors ordered unnecessary repairs to tenament blocks with the work being channelled to mates in the construction sector. The tenament owners would have to pay the bill.

Dave Anderson was lucky not to be in jail let alone pulling strings at the CEC.

There isn't a pups chance of Hearts getting a new stadium out of this.

[Famous Fiver]

Hearts won't get a new stadium out of it. It'll belong to CEC and others will own it, Hearts will be tenants.

Won't cost them a bolt.

[Famous Fiver]

sorry, should have posted 'and others who will own it'.

[CropleyWasGod]

Hearts won't get a new stadium out of it. It'll belong to CEC and others will own it, Hearts will be tenants.

Won't cost them a bolt.
....as in rent - free?

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[Bostonhibby]

....as in rent - free?

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As in they don't pay it and the landlord doesn't bother pursuing it. [emoji6]

Especially if they are the council or other sympathetic public body.

Did it before and would do it again. It's the yam way.

[Dashing Bob S]

As a traditionalist, I say keep Tynecastle as it is.

[green day]

Hearts won't get a new stadium out of it. It'll belong to CEC and others will own it, Hearts will be tenants.

Won't cost them a bolt.
At Meadowbank???

[GreenCastle]

Budge said on December 3rd - we are a couple months away from announcing more information about the stadium..here we are March 10th.

Yams won't be at Meadowbank and won't get a new stadium anywhere near the centre of Edinburgh - only option is to move out of town but they have made a big statement saying they are staying with the smallest pitch in Gorgie.

As confirmed by our recent visit to the PBS that stadium needs more than just a new stand if it's going to be future proof.

[0762]

Hey let's not loose sleep over this until the Council announce they are going to build a stadium. Just can't see it happening. In a two club city it could only ever be a ground share and that's not happening. Politically it would be a minefield. Only way the Council could help would be planning. If Hearts can develop land around Tynie to pay for the development but then there is a problem because the study that the council did 50% pay for said the site was not fit for purpose. Can they go back on the report they had a hand in writing?

Every Jambo I know wants to stay at Tynie where the "wee fitba team" apparently made a mark (I believe the mark might have been an underwear issue involving Jim Jeffries after number seven went in on 1st Jan 1973!!).

If they want to stay there they have issues they need to address. As has been covered on other threads their pitch is the smallest in the Premier League. Not sure if they need to increase the size if they plan to redevelop. Spoke to someone at Easter Road a few years ago and he said Hibs had to increase the width of Easter Rd when the East Stand was built. It was 64m wide, its now 68m wide. Hearts can't do this at Tynie with their existing maccano kit.

The construction recession is long over. Construction costs have increased significantly again so the cost to rebuild would be a chunky number. From a surveyor mate with experience in stadiums understand current rates are circa £750-£1000 per seat depending on what you build. You can do the math on the numbers those on Brokeback are claiming they are going to build.

So where is the money gonna come from? The banks don't want to touch football. The Queen of Hearts - Ann Budge? She's undoubted a good business women. She's made millions, and is continuing to make money out of Hearts (they seem to forget that). But is she willing to sink that kind of money into Hearts. Remember its a while until she'll be paid back the bail out money they had to pay to Lithuania. Mind you, at circa 6% interest she'd be getting more back on her money than she's getting at the bank right now.

So chances away from Tynie - never rule out David Murray (remember him?). Still has access to a large chunk of land on the West side of the by-pass and apparently wanted planning for residential/commercial development that a number of years ago included a stadium. Might be a suitable landlord as both have an excellent record of mismanaging football clubs and avoiding paying what they are due.

As I said at the start. Let's not loose sleep over this and lets focus on the building of our Club. Where the stadium is already finished.

[Pete]

Hey let's not loose sleep over this until the Council announce they are going to build a stadium. Just can't see it happening. In a two club city it could only ever be a ground share and that's not happening. Politically it would be a minefield. Only way the Council could help would be planning. If Hearts can develop land around Tynie to pay for the development but then there is a problem because the study that the council did 50% pay for said the site was not fit for purpose. Can they go back on the report they had a hand in writing?

Every Jambo I know wants to stay at Tynie where the "wee fitba team" apparently made a mark (I believe the mark might have been an underwear issue involving Jim Jeffries after number seven went in on 1st Jan 1973!!).

If they want to stay there they have issues they need to address. As has been covered on other threads their pitch is the smallest in the Premier League. Not sure if they need to increase the size if they plan to redevelop. Spoke to someone at Easter Road a few years ago and he said Hibs had to increase the width of Easter Rd when the East Stand was built. It was 64m wide, its now 68m wide. Hearts can't do this at Tynie with their existing maccano kit.

The construction recession is long over. Construction costs have increased significantly again so the cost to rebuild would be a chunky number. From a surveyor mate with experience in stadiums understand current rates are circa £750-£1000 per seat depending on what you build. You can do the math on the numbers those on Brokeback are claiming they are going to build.

So where is the money gonna come from? The banks don't want to touch football. The Queen of Hearts - Ann Budge? She's undoubted a good business women. She's made millions, and is continuing to make money out of Hearts (they seem to forget that). But is she willing to sink that kind of money into Hearts. Remember its a while until she'll be paid back the bail out money they had to pay to Lithuania. Mind you, at circa 6% interest she'd be getting more back on her money than she's getting at the bank right now.

So chances away from Tynie - never rule out David Murray (remember him?). Still has access to a large chunk of land on the West side of the by-pass and apparently wanted planning for residential/commercial development that a number of years ago included a stadium. Might be a suitable landlord as both have an excellent record of mismanaging football clubs and avoiding paying what they are due.

As I said at the start. Let's not loose sleep over this and lets focus on the building of our Club. Where the stadium is already finished.

To be honest I don't think anyone is bothered enough to lose sleep over it, it's just unnerving that a hearts bias council are talking about stadium projects at the same time as them. It's also very funny listening to hearts fans and reading their boards due to the sheer delusion, talking about 10000 seat double decker stands FFS. That sense of entitlement will be there for a while.

I thought the price of steel was at an all time low so maybe they can build a stand for a relatively small sum. As for funding, it would have to be a sympathetic creditor who is willing to put a long term arrangement in place. They have proved in the past that they can find resources so maybe a FOH type arrangement is the only realistic option for them.

Personally, I'm a bit of a stadium geek so I'm quite interested in what they are going to do and what the finished article will look like. If people think that the three high stands are conducive to a good atmosphere then what will it be like if they fully close it in? A stand similar to the one at the Falkirk stadium with corporate facilities at the top would be a realistic, affordable option. All this stuff about pitch length/width and run off is irrelevant as they could simply play any European games at that big rugby stadium that's less than 1000 yards from tynecastle.

I think a new main stand will happen but the only people who will be disappointed are the Jambos with wee willy syndrome as their ground will probably be smaller and of a lower quality than ours. They can't have everything.

[Bostonhibby]

Budge said on December 3rd - we are a couple months away from announcing more information about the stadium..here we are March 10th.

Yams won't be at Meadowbank and won't get a new stadium anywhere near the centre of Edinburgh - only option is to move out of town but they have made a big statement saying they are staying with the smallest pitch in Gorgie.

As confirmed by our recent visit to the PBS that stadium needs more than just a new stand if it's going to be future proof.
That's three months then.

Not many of the yams will be that bothered though, everyone knows that three is a couple in their twisted wee world

[greenginger]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/markets/25m-stadium-for-s****horpe-united-gets-green-light-1-7788061


S****horpe getting a £ 25 million , 12,000 capacity stadium.

Local development council seem to be paying for infrastructure, roads, drainage etc.

New builds ain't cheap either !

[Geo_1875]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/markets/25m-stadium-for-s****horpe-united-gets-green-light-1-7788061


S****horpe getting a £ 25 million , 12,000 capacity stadium.

Local development council seem to be paying for infrastructure, roads, drainage etc.

New builds ain't cheap either !

Won't happen in Gorgie. They'd need to spend twice that on drainage improvements alone.

[green&left]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/markets/25m-stadium-for-s****horpe-united-gets-green-light-1-7788061


S****horpe getting a £ 25 million , 12,000 capacity stadium.

Local development council seem to be paying for infrastructure, roads, drainage etc.

New builds ain't cheap either !


Was a similar thing not proposed a while back with David Murray's blueprints for a new town in the greenbelt of the bypass (Or was it Gogar?) for Hearts and the Edinburgh Egg Chasers?

Granted this was well pre-recession...

[itslegaltender]

Was a similar thing not proposed a while back with David Murray's blueprints for a new town in the greenbelt of the bypass (Or was it Gogar?) for Hearts and the Edinburgh Egg Chasers?

Granted this was well pre-recession...

Its the fields the other side of the bypass at Edinburgh Park and up to Heriot Watt. Think it was more an "accounting" excercise for Sir Murray. ie change acres of agricultural land value to acres of residential land value.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Hey let's not loose sleep over this until the Council announce they are going to build a stadium. Just can't see it happening. In a two club city it could only ever be a ground share and that's not happening. Politically it would be a minefield. Only way the Council could help would be planning. If Hearts can develop land around Tynie to pay for the development but then there is a problem because the study that the council did 50% pay for said the site was not fit for purpose. Can they go back on the report they had a hand in writing?

Every Jambo I know wants to stay at Tynie where the "wee fitba team" apparently made a mark (I believe the mark might have been an underwear issue involving Jim Jeffries after number seven went in on 1st Jan 1973!!).

If they want to stay there they have issues they need to address. As has been covered on other threads their pitch is the smallest in the Premier League. Not sure if they need to increase the size if they plan to redevelop. Spoke to someone at Easter Road a few years ago and he said Hibs had to increase the width of Easter Rd when the East Stand was built. It was 64m wide, its now 68m wide. Hearts can't do this at Tynie with their existing maccano kit.

The construction recession is long over. Construction costs have increased significantly again so the cost to rebuild would be a chunky number. From a surveyor mate with experience in stadiums understand current rates are circa £750-£1000 per seat depending on what you build. You can do the math on the numbers those on Brokeback are claiming they are going to build.

So where is the money gonna come from? The banks don't want to touch football. The Queen of Hearts - Ann Budge? She's undoubted a good business women. She's made millions, and is continuing to make money out of Hearts (they seem to forget that). But is she willing to sink that kind of money into Hearts. Remember its a while until she'll be paid back the bail out money they had to pay to Lithuania. Mind you, at circa 6% interest she'd be getting more back on her money than she's getting at the bank right now.

So chances away from Tynie - never rule out David Murray (remember him?). Still has access to a large chunk of land on the West side of the by-pass and apparently wanted planning for residential/commercial development that a number of years ago included a stadium. Might be a suitable landlord as both have an excellent record of mismanaging football clubs and avoiding paying what they are due.

As I said at the start. Let's not loose sleep over this and lets focus on the building of our Club. Where the stadium is already finished.

Easter Road is a super stadium as it is just now and spending money on it will never be the main priority, but we should never allow ourselves to be in the mindset of 'that's it finished' because it can and should be so much more.

When the corners are filled in and the roofs of the FF and South extended to meet the East and West, that will be the day Easter Road reaches its full potential ..... unlikely to ever happen unless somebody hands us pots of cash, but IMO it should never be off the table.

[Smartie]

Easter Road is a super stadium as it is just now and spending money on it will never be the main priority, but we should never allow ourselves to be in the mindset of 'that's it finished' because it can and should be so much more.

When the corners are filled in and the roofs of the FF and South extended to meet the East and West, that will be the day Easter Road reaches its full potential ..... unlikely to ever happen unless somebody hands us pots of cash, but IMO it should never be off the table.

I've never seen the point in filling in the corners - it's not as if we fill ER anything like often enough anyway.

I agree that the stadium is never really finished - every stand has a shelf-life and will need to be replaced at some point and we must NEVER get into the situation that the jambos are in where you wonder where the money is going to come from to keep the stadium fully functional. We've fought hard and made sacrifices in order to keep our spiritual home (an alien concept to fans of HMFC and The Rangers) and we cannot ever let it get to a position where that may be at stake.

I do think that we need to put investment in the ground on the back burner for a while though - what we currently have is more than adequate for our current needs. All our attention need to be given to building a team that will get more fans back in to fill the stadium we currently have.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I've never seen the point in filling in the corners - it's not as if we fill ER anything like often enough anyway.

I agree that the stadium is never really finished - every stand has a shelf-life and will need to be replaced at some point and we must NEVER get into the situation that the jambos are in where you wonder where the money is going to come from to keep the stadium fully functional. We've fought hard and made sacrifices in order to keep our spiritual home (an alien concept to fans of HMFC and The Rangers) and we cannot ever let it get to a position where that may be at stake.

I do think that we need to put investment in the ground on the back burner for a while though - what we currently have is more than adequate for our current needs. All our attention need to be given to building a team that will get more fans back in to fill the stadium we currently have.

I wasn't suggesting filling the corners with seats mate, the capacity is as big as we will probably ever need ..... As far as ER goes its about improving atmosphere ( which even now isn't as bad as some folk make out ) and the aesthetics of the stadium .... there are a number of cracking grounds around the world where the corners are filled with buildings rather than seats.

[JAY-ESS GREEN]

Dave Anderson was suspended and subsequently forced to resign as he was at the centre of the corruption scandal in common repairs.

Basically, the City Council surveyors ordered unnecessary repairs to tenament blocks with the work being channelled to mates in the construction sector. The tenament owners would have to pay the bill.

Dave Anderson was lucky not to be in jail let alone pulling strings at the CEC.

There isn't a pups chance of Hearts getting a new stadium out of this.

And his mates still getting work from council

[greenginger]

Council just approved the funding for the new Meadowbank sport centre.


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A bit premature. According to tonight's EEN the Council has agreed to spend £ 700,000 on design fees for Meadowbank.

The approval of a tender price will be required before the issue is settled.

[Geo_1875]

A bit premature. According to tonight's EEN the Council has agreed to spend £ 700,000 on design fees for Meadowbank.

The approval of a tender price will be required before the issue is settled.

That's some wad of cash for designs. Can they not just sneak a look in the boxes that Vlad submitted to them?

[greenginger]

That's some wad of cash for designs. Can they not just sneak a look in the boxes that Vlad submitted to them?


I seem to recall Vlad's bill for the contents of the cardboard boxes was north of £ 1.2 million.

Just another tab the poor Liths had to pick up .

[TrinityHibs]

Dave Anderson was suspended and subsequently forced to resign as he was at the centre of the corruption scandal in common repairs.

Basically, the City Council surveyors ordered unnecessary repairs to tenament blocks with the work being channelled to mates in the construction sector. The tenament owners would have to pay the bill.

Dave Anderson was lucky not to be in jail let alone pulling strings at the CEC.

There isn't a pups chance of Hearts getting a new stadium out of this.

What you say about Dave Anderson and Property Care Services is not correct. It doesn't impact on Hibs so not worth going into however don't always believe what you read in the papers. Property Care corruption was off and running years before Dave Anderson joined the Council.

[Thecat23]

Just thought I'd pop in to this thread to say Hearts are *****, their stadium is ***** and will always be *****.

Bye 👋🏼

[EastCalderHibby]

Just thought I'd pop in to this thread to say Hearts are *****, their stadium is ***** and will always be *****.

Bye 

you forgot to mention the colour of their stripes is REALLY *****:greengrin:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/markets/25m-stadium-for-s****horpe-united-gets-green-light-1-7788061


S****horpe getting a £ 25 million , 12,000 capacity stadium.

Local development council seem to be paying for infrastructure, roads, drainage etc.

New builds ain't cheap either !
Am thinking the current one was a fairly recent build as well? They're not a bad wee club scunny but for £25m it would be cheaper to buy the town first and pick where you want the stadium to be.

Building costs are a fraction of those in the central belt of Scotland.

[Saturday Boy]

Am thinking the current one was a fairly recent build as well? They're not a bad wee club scunny but for £25m it would be cheaper to buy the town first and pick where you want the stadium to be.

Building costs are a fraction of those in the central belt of Scotland.

I think Glandford Park (if that's how you spell it) was only built in the late 1980s.

[et_hibby]

.... there are a number of cracking grounds around the world where the corners are filled with buildings rather than seats.
Interesting, NN- any suggestions what would be viable on any of the 4? Build new ticket office in one to enable sale/re-purposing of current building?

[Bostonhibby]

I think Glandford Park (if that's how you spell it) was only built in the late 1980s.
Sure you are right. Will check when I get home. Old scunny fan drinks in my local. He remembers Ian Botham playing for them and after a few beers can bore the erse of anyone who wants to listen to tales from those heady days.

[monktonharp]

Easter Road is a super stadium as it is just now and spending money on it will never be the main priority, but we should never allow ourselves to be in the mindset of 'that's it finished' because it can and should be so much more.

When the corners are filled in and the roofs of the FF and South extended to meet the East and West, that will be the day Easter Road reaches its full potential ..... unlikely to ever happen unless somebody hands us pots of cash, but IMO it should never be off the table.:agree: can do a fair bit more. the corners are an annoyance. Even if it meant offering extra deats to opponents in big games it would make the place much better. Firstly though, invest in a dozen fake European owls, and shove them on the roofs. looks like the pigeons are trying to oust the gulls!

[greenginger]

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/453607EBE3AB289FA745F134A11E06ED/pdf/16_01277_FUL-TYNECASTLE_STADIUM_1_TYNECASTLE_TERRACE-3303903.pdf

A planning application made today for the PBS.

It is to build accommodation for a ticket office and club shop under the Wheatfield stand. Obviously required when they knock down the existing council offices to make way for the new mega stand.

Mrs Budge serious about staying put at Tynie.

[Callum7]

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/453607EBE3AB289FA745F134A11E06ED/pdf/16_01277_FUL-TYNECASTLE_STADIUM_1_TYNECASTLE_TERRACE-3303903.pdf

A planning application made today for the PBS.

It is to build accommodation for a ticket office and club shop under the Wheatfield stand. Obviously required when they knock down the existing council offices to make way for the new mega stand.

Mrs Budge serious about staying put at Tynie.

It says 'it's currently unavailable at this time' do I need to sign up to something? Do you think you can send screenshots as I'm quite interested as to what they are attempting to call 'a stand'.

[Just Alf]

It says 'it's currently unavailable at this time' do I need to sign up to something? Do you think you can send screenshots as I'm quite interested as to what they are attempting to call 'a stand'.

You don't need to sign in or anything.... it's showing an error to me as well (on all documents).... when it's back online this link --->here (https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=O3TJXCEW09Z00) will give you what you need :aok:

[O'Rourke3]

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/453607EBE3AB289FA745F134A11E06ED/pdf/16_01277_FUL-TYNECASTLE_STADIUM_1_TYNECASTLE_TERRACE-3303903.pdf

A planning application made today for the PBS.

It is to build accommodation for a ticket office and club shop under the Wheatfield stand. Obviously required when they knock down the existing council offices to make way for the new mega stand.

Mrs Budge serious about staying put at Tynie.
So this is not the new stand, simply an indication that they might be preparing for maybe buying then demolishing other buildings. :dunno:

[greenginger]

So this is not the new stand, simply an indication that they might be preparing for maybe buying then demolishing other buildings. :dunno:


It is certainly an indication that they want to build a new stand. Lots of obstacles to overcome, not least finding the cash.

[O'Rourke3]

It is certainly an indication that they want to build a new stand. Lots of obstacles to overcome, not least finding the cash.
Yes. No announcement that they have it(cash), design or other plans to make the stadium UEFA compliant..

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[Moulin Yarns]

So this is not the new stand, simply an indication that they might be preparing for maybe buying then demolishing other buildings. :dunno:

The proposals, from the plans, appear to be to provide facilities like changing rooms under the Wheatsheaf stand that will be used by the community pitch behind that stand, but there appears to also be access to the tyncastle pitch as well, so this might be the first stage in replacing the historic main stand.

[greenginger]

The proposals, from the plans, appear to be to provide facilities like changing rooms under the Wheatsheaf stand that will be used by the community pitch behind that stand, but there appears to also be access to the tyncastle pitch as well, so this might be the first stage in replacing the historic main stand.


The new build will accommodate a temporary ticket office and shop whilst they demolish the ones they currently rent from our council.

After their new stand is built and those facilities relocated and the area will be used for supporters facilities, a bit like our Behind the goals.

The inclusion of community facilities linked to the all weather pitches in Wheatfield Place will no doubt be built with grant assistance.

Knowing the Yams about 75 % of total cost. :grr:

[Ozyhibby]

The new build will accommodate a temporary ticket office and shop whilst they demolish the ones they currently rent from our council.

After their new stand is built and those facilities relocated and the area will be used for supporters facilities, a bit like our Behind the goals.

The inclusion of community facilities linked to the all weather pitches in Wheatfield Place will no doubt be built with grant assistance.

Knowing the Yams about 75 % of total cost. :grr:

The pitch in wheatfield place are grass. Good pitch though.


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[Ozyhibby]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056


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[Hibeesforever]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056


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Congratulations Heart of Midlothian, plans sound excellent. Only omission is where the funding and finance is coming from.
Hearts fans Direct Debits for club purchase and stadium build is a triple dip when added to the cost of season tickets each year.
That ECC property deal should be audited too!

[Kato]

"the land required for this re-development is currently owned by the City of Edinburgh Council. We are, therefore, working closely with the Council to help us deliver this exciting project. By working closely with the Council, we will completely change the face of the Tynecastle area, bringing benefits both to Hearts, the Council and the wider community"

"Closely" as in the council bending over.

[greenginger]

To quote,

" As many of you are aware, the land required for this development is currently owned by the Council , and we will be working closely with them to deliver an improvement to the whole area. "

Considering the same Council refused point blank to sell Hibs the land we required for our new main stand,

as I've said before, They need watching ! :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

"the land required for this re-development is currently owned by the City of Edinburgh Council. We are, therefore, working closely with the Council to help us deliver this exciting project. By working closely with the Council, we will completely change the face of the Tynecastle area, bringing benefits both to Hearts, the Council and the wider community"

"Closely" as in the council bending over.

Shame the council didn't fancy working closely with us on the Lochend butterfly.


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[SHODAN]

"The new stand will, of course, also incorporate new hospitality suites, office space, clubstore and ticket office…with space for much more. The result will be a modern stadium boasting a ground capacity in excess of 20,000."


Easter Road's capacity is 20,421. Who's to bet that the capacity of the new Tynecastle will be 20,422?

[Ozyhibby]

"The new stand will, of course, also incorporate new hospitality suites, office space, clubstore and ticket office…with space for much more. The result will be a modern stadium boasting a ground capacity in excess of 20,000."


Easter Road's capacity is 20,421. Who's to bet that the capacity of the new Tynecastle will be 20,422?

All those facilities will be dearer than £1k a seat, no?
Takes the cost to between £7m-£10m


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[AndyM_1875]

All those facilities will be dearer than £1k a seat, no?
Takes the cost to between £7m-£10m


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So where's the money coming from?

I wonder......

[Famous Fiver]

It'll still be known as the piggery.

[Joe6-2]

It'll still be known as the piggery.

Oh yes!!!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Interesting, NN- any suggestions what would be viable on any of the 4? Build new ticket office in one to enable sale/re-purposing of current building?

If you weren't looking to generate revenue from any buildings I would do this:

Corners of the West / FF and East / South ..... big TV screens, but boxed in like Ibrox.

Corner of the South / West ...... Entrance for vehicle access to the pitch and above it possibly a behind the goals type deal for away fans.

Corner of the FF / East .... A building on stilts to allow for parking underneath and above that a purpose built Hibs supporters club gifted to them by the club on the condition that it can be used for no other purpose or ever be sold without the clubs permission.

NOTE:

Given that Edinburgh has the second highest hotel room occupancy rates in Europe and that's unlikely to change any time soon, I would build an hotel in the FF / East gap, with views over the Forth on one side and views over the pitch on the other ..... we are a baw hair away from Princes Street, the Royal Mile and Holyrood, I fail to see how it wouldn't work :dunno:

[GreenLake]

Did anyone read "compliant" or "EUFA" in this press release?

[madhibee_again]

Let's hope "best value" regulations for disposal of land are abided by, along with the requirement for openness and transparency.

However I imagine the "best value" will be circumvented by The Disposal of Land by Local Authorities (Scotland) Regulations which state that for the purposes of economic development and/or regeneration and social well being land can be disposed of for less than best value.

Let's hope Hibe are watching this closely considering all the work in the community we are currently doing and the previous history.

[BroxburnHibee]

Not a popular view but the sooner they replace that death trap the better.

[Just Alf]

It'll still be known as the piggery.

Indeed..... the land WAS actually a pig farm originally after all! :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

What's an undercroft?

[Callum7]

What's an undercroft?

:confused:
http://i67.tinypic.com/255l7hf.png

[Bostonhibby]

To quote,

" As many of you are aware, the land required for this development is currently owned by the Council , and we will be working closely with them to deliver an improvement to the whole area. "

Considering the same Council refused point blank to sell Hibs the land we required for our new main stand,

as I've said before, They need watching ! :greengrin

Working closely translates to the good tax payers of Edinburgh seeing an asset disposed off for nothing like its value to the advantage of the yam in the blink of an eye, in pretty much the same way the council conveniently didn't pursue the unpaid yams business rates as diligently as they would pursue said Edinburgh city tax payers.

[et_hibby]

Given that Edinburgh has the second highest hotel room occupancy rates in Europe and that's unlikely to change any time soon, I would build an hotel in the FF / East gap, with views over the Forth on one side and views over the pitch on the other ..... we are a baw hair away from Princes Street, the Royal Mile and Holyrood, I fail to see how it wouldn't work :dunno:

The name chooses itself: the Nae Nookie Hotel!!
Some interesting suggestions: don't know whether there'd be resident's objections ( hotel may increase area property values(?) Presumably, parking not an issue? Anyone think Hibs would pursue these, in partnership or otherwise.

[monarch]

"The new stand will, of course, also incorporate new hospitality suites, office space, clubstore and ticket office…with space for much more. The result will be a modern stadium boasting a ground capacity in excess of 20,000."


Easter Road's capacity is 20,421. Who's to bet that the capacity of the new Tynecastle will be 20,422?

They'll likely include the seats in the dugouts to meet the 20,422 capacity.

Remind me, what stage is the construction of the Pink Superdome at ? Oh, agreement to be reached with the council (I know!), NB Distillers and no mention yet of funding :confused:

No worries for us as our stand has been built and paid for with a pitch that is UEFA compliant.

[StevieC]

Funding is irrelevant at the moment, as my guess is that the days of their main stand are numbered and this is getting forced upon them.

It makes sense to move everything over to the opposite stand, ready for when the safety certificates finally run out. This aint going to be cheap, and whatever funds they do have are going to be quickly eaten up by this.
Once moved over though, they might get away with building a shell of a stand (maybe not disimilar to our East), with a view to "kitting it out" at a later date.

Lets not kid ourselves that everything is going to collapse around them any time soon. They dodged a bullet and actually have a good business person at the helm at the moment that is not going to let it all fall to pieces again.

[macca70]

So basically it's another 'public announcement' that it is there intentions to build a new stand with not much concrete progress from the last 10 similar announcements. At least Vlad supplied nice shiny images.

The new Tynie will have in excess of 20,000 seats so assuming she means between 20k-21k, that seems a bit of a rough figure when all they need to do is add the capacity of the other 3 stands to this new one.

Or is that the budgies attempt to wind us up by saying, our new bus shelter will hold more than ER?

[ruthven_raiders]

So basically it's another 'public announcement' that it is there intentions to build a new stand with not much concrete progress from the last 10 similar announcements. At least Vlad supplied nice shiny images.

The new Tynie will have in excess of 20,000 seats so assuming she means between 20k-21k, that seems a bit of a rough figure when all they need to do is add the capacity of the other 3 stands to this new one.

Or is that the budgies attempt to wind us up by saying, our new bus shelter will hold more than ER?

Maybe we can do the maths for them, get the seat capacity of the three other stands, then add 7000.....simple lol

[Hibby70]

Maybe we can do the maths for them, get the seat capacity of the three other stands, then add 7000.....simple lol

I wonder if the new stand will include the "nae pals" feature of single seats - would be s shame not to have some symmetry with the other ones.

[TrinityHibs]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056


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A few things are confusing in that statement. Although I don't know about the process for a stadium application or if there are special regulations for Hertz however a Pre Application Notice is required for a major application. This informs interested parties when and where public consultation will take place and is required for major planning applications. This normally lasts a minimum of 12 weeks (Never heard of 8 weeks as Budge suggests). On completion of the public consultation process any amendments required are made to the proposal and a report prepared which is submitted in support of the planning application.This normally takes a few weeks or the applicant is ignoring the process or just paying lip service which is at odds with the need for open community engagement. Assume they make the application on April Fools day (the irony) they should not be lodging an application before 1 August. The Council need to register the application then allocate an officer to deal with this. (give them a month) As this is a major application the statutory consultees have 4 months to respond to the information supplied which would take them up to 1 January 2017. Again as it is a major application it needs to go to committee. So prepare the Report and get a slot say beginning of March 2017 for a consent. Then they need to run Building Warrant. Anything less than 4 months is good going particularly as the Council is understaffed. So Summer 2017 for the paperwork to be in place to start on site. They could start demolition work earlier at risk but need to have built the new facilities in the Wheatfield stand first. Budges suggestion that they will start in Autumn this year is misleading at best

[Colr]

Indeed..... the land WAS actually a pig farm originally after all! :aok:

Whereas Pittodrie was a dung heap. The name is derived from the Gaelic for dung heap.

[ruthven_raiders]

I wonder if the new stand will include the "nae pals" feature of single seats - would be s shame not to have some symmetry with the other ones.

Good one lol....Googled a d here are the Stats:-
Roseburn 3676
280 seats removed in 2005 to lengthen pitch
Gorgie 3300
Wheatfield 5902
NEW STAND 7000

Capacity 19598...so in jambo land that's round about just over 20k pmsl

[Colr]

What's an undercroft?

Like a crypt!!

[Just Alf]

Whereas Pittodrie was a dung heap. The name is derived from the Gaelic for dung heap.

Was actually going to add... The south end was also a dung heap at one point! Lol...... The city's Police horses "leavings" were stored there to then be sold on once rotted down a bit.

[johnbc70]

We are getting some work done now and the council told me they are severely understaffed in the Planning Department. It took months of chasing to get the building warrant approved and weeks and weeks for simple decisions to be made like the colour of a window. No doubt this will fly through.

[#FromTheCapital]

Good one lol....Googled a d here are the Stats:-
Roseburn 3676
280 seats removed in 2005 to lengthen pitch
Gorgie 3300
Wheatfield 5902
NEW STAND 7000

Capacity 19598...so in jambo land that's round about just over 20k pmsl

Knowing hearts they're probably counting all seats in the entire premises of tynecastle including toilet seats, office chairs etc. Every little helps just so they can claim that it's bigger than Easter Road, weirdos.

[GlesgaeHibby]

We are getting some work done now and the council told me they are severely understaffed in the Planning Department. It took months of chasing to get the building warrant approved and weeks and weeks for simple decisions to be made like the colour of a window. No doubt this will fly through.

Every planning department seems to be the same - Nightmare to deal with. Hopefully they slow things right down for Hearts, but as you say no doubt it'll be fast tracked.

[hibs0666]

Good one lol....Googled a d here are the Stats:-
Roseburn 3676
280 seats removed in 2005 to lengthen pitch
Gorgie 3300
Wheatfield 5902
NEW STAND 7000

Capacity 19598...so in jambo land that's round about just over 20k pmsl

I think they'll end up at a 20,200-20,400 capacity and a £10-12 million debt financed by goodness-knows who.

[Callum7]

Good one lol....Googled a d here are the Stats:-
Roseburn 3676
280 seats removed in 2005 to lengthen pitch
Gorgie 3300
Wheatfield 5902
NEW STAND 7000

Capacity 19598...so in jambo land that's round about just over 20k pmsl

If your facts are correct your calculations are wrong.
http://i63.tinypic.com/72azwn.jpg

[StevieT]

If your facts are correct your calculations are wrong.
http://i63.tinypic.com/72azwn.jpg

Not if you take 280 away from 3676 first (Roseburn).

[greenginger]

A few things are confusing in that statement. Although I don't know about the process for a stadium application or if there are special regulations for Hertz however a Pre Application Notice is required for a major application. This informs interested parties when and where public consultation will take place and is required for major planning applications. This normally lasts a minimum of 12 weeks (Never heard of 8 weeks as Budge suggests). On completion of the public consultation process any amendments required are made to the proposal and a report prepared which is submitted in support of the planning application.This normally takes a few weeks or the applicant is ignoring the process or just paying lip service which is at odds with the need for open community engagement. Assume they make the application on April Fools day (the irony) they should not be lodging an application before 1 August. The Council need to register the application then allocate an officer to deal with this. (give them a month) As this is a major application the statutory consultees have 4 months to respond to the information supplied which would take them up to 1 January 2017. Again as it is a major application it needs to go to committee. So prepare the Report and get a slot say beginning of March 2017 for a consent. Then they need to run Building Warrant. Anything less than 4 months is good going particularly as the Council is understaffed. So Summer 2017 for the paperwork to be in place to start on site. They could start demolition work earlier at risk but need to have built the new facilities in the Wheatfield stand first. Budges suggestion that they will start in Autumn this year is misleading at best


They have kept the planning application for Vlad's mega stand alive and that application had gone through many of the steps .

[Bostonhibby]

They have kept the planning application for Vlad's mega stand alive and that application had gone through many of the steps .

So its still the megasuperhotelstadium? who'd have thought it, Vlads dream is alive. Whatever next, the Champions league win from 2008? believers will be on the streets, its as if the admin never happened.

[greenginger]

So its still the megasuperhotelstadium? who'd have thought it, Vlads dream is alive. Whatever next, the Champions league win from 2008? believers will be on the streets, its as if the admin never happened.


No, no hotels , office blocks. They will substitute their own plans for those submitted by the Liths but it will skip the owner notification, ground surveys etc that take up time.

The planning application fee ( about £ 16,000 ) will already have been paid by the Lith tax payers, so there's another saving.

The tram contribution was never paid, I wonder if it will be revived or overlooked.

[Bostonhibby]

No, no hotels , office blocks. They will substitute their own plans for those submitted by the Liths but it will skip the owner notification, ground surveys etc that take up time.

The planning application fee ( about £ 16,000 ) will already have been paid by the Lith tax payers, so there's another saving.

The tram contribution was never paid, I wonder if it will be revived or overlooked.

:aok: Just a wee continuation of the delusions of grandeur piss take on my part.

[ruthven_raiders]

Not if you take 280 away from 3676 first (Roseburn).

Thanks for pointing that out ;o)

[ruthven_raiders]

Not if you take 280 away from 3676 first (Roseburn).

Take 280 seats away. Oh and not my facts just Google and go on to hearts website that's the Stats they give lol

[jacomo]

Every planning department seems to be the same - Nightmare to deal with. Hopefully they slow things right down for Hearts, but as you say no doubt it'll be fast tracked.

I'm calling Budge out on this. I think she's talking a load of bull here.

She won't want this fast tracked, because as soon as plans are approved she is going to have to say where the money is coming from.

Still, as has been shown in the past, it's not difficult to fool the Jambos. I bet they are all creaming themselves over this announcement.

[jgl07]

I'm calling Budge out on this. I think she's talking a load of bull here.

She won't want this fast tracked, because as soon as plans are approved she is going to have to say where the money is coming from.

Still, as has been shown in the past, it's not difficult to fool the Jambos. I bet they are all creaming themselves over this announcement.
I suspect that the idea is to get the application through and then bring out the begging bowl to the supporters and ask them to stump up.

They will be in a position to close the Main Stand if the safety certificate is withdrawn.

[Keith_M]

Why is the thread tagged with 'joke'?

I'm sure they do fully intend to build something at Tynecastle and, as they seem to come out of everything smelling of roses (and with a selective loss of memory), they might just manage to build a new stand and actually finance it. Be honest, when we were all ripping them during their financial meltdown, how many of us imagined how easily they would wriggle out if it and be where they are now?


Oh and they probably will ensure the stadium has at least one seat more that ER, just to prove their self-proclaimed big team mantra.

[Betty Boop]

"the land required for this re-development is currently owned by the City of Edinburgh Council. We are, therefore, working closely with the Council to help us deliver this exciting project. By working closely with the Council, we will completely change the face of the Tynecastle area, bringing benefits both to Hearts, the Council and the wider community"

"Closely" as in the council bending over.
I sincerely hope the Council are not helping them with any finance.

[TrinityHibs]

No, no hotels , office blocks. They will substitute their own plans for those submitted by the Liths but it will skip the owner notification, ground surveys etc that take up time.

The planning application fee ( about £ 16,000 ) will already have been paid by the Lith tax payers, so there's another saving.

The tram contribution was never paid, I wonder if it will be revived or overlooked.

Thats a very significant change GG so I would have thought that they would have no option other than to consult the community again. Budge is saying a new PAN so 12 weeks. The Council will have to notify neighbours again as affected parties will have changed and all consultees will have to be re-visited as legislation and practices will have changed. The new notification can only happen after the consulted plans are lodged. Air Quality/Acoustic/Ecology/Traffic/Light Pollution would all have to be done again as the original reports will be timed out. I would also expect any funder to be looking for a new Site Investigation Report that they could rely on. They could use some of the factual information but who in there right mind would touch something that Vlad had been involved in securing. I wouldn't be all that keen on relying on a challengeable consent whether in a funding or construction sense. In my post above I didn't account for any S.75 negotiations. That can take months on its own. The tram contribution would only be due when consent was issued/work started or occupation depending on what was agreed in the S.75. They will also need an updated Asbestos Report:greengrin

[Posh Swanny]

They have kept the planning application for Vlad's mega stand alive and that application had gone through many of the steps .

Anyone have an idea how quickly the re-submitted plans for the East went through the process? Obviously it was different in that full planning permission was already in place for a replica of the West so I assume a re-design on the same footprint didn't take as long as the new Hearts proposals would. Might give some indication though.

[G B Young]

What's needed here is demolition of the entire ground. I was stunned by the state of the 'new' stands when I was at the cup semi v St Johnstone. Dirty, badly designed and an overall sense of a budget build. Oversized bus shelters as I recall them being described. They should flatten the place, sell up and find somewhere better to build from scratch or reconsider a groundshare at Murrayfield if remaining local is paramount. With its 70,000 capacity it should satisfy those Hearts fans who think they could fill such stadiums. Chris Robinson was right about this one years ago.

[greenginger]

Thats a very significant change GG so I would have thought that they would have no option other than to consult the community again. Budge is saying a new PAN so 12 weeks. The Council will have to notify neighbours again as affected parties will have changed and all consultees will have to be re-visited as legislation and practices will have changed. The new notification can only happen after the consulted plans are lodged. Air Quality/Acoustic/Ecology/Traffic/Light Pollution would all have to be done again as the original reports will be timed out. I would also expect any funder to be looking for a new Site Investigation Report that they could rely on. They could use some of the factual information but who in there right mind would touch something that Vlad had been involved in securing. I wouldn't be all that keen on relying on a challengeable consent whether in a funding or construction sense. In my post above I didn't account for any S.75 negotiations. That can take months on its own. The tram contribution would only be due when consent was issued/work started or occupation depending on what was agreed in the S.75. They will also need an updated Asbestos Report:greengrin


I like what you are saying ! :thumbsup:

Do you know if the Chris Stewart Group is getting seriously involved ?

[flash]

Why is the thread tagged with 'joke'?

I'm sure they do fully intend to build something at Tynecastle and, as they seem to come out of everything smelling of roses (and with a selective loss of memory), they might just manage to build a new stand and actually finance it. Be honest, when we were all ripping them during their financial meltdown, how many of us imagined how easily they would wriggle out if it and be where they are now?


Oh and they probably will ensure the stadium has at least one seat more that ER, just to prove their self-proclaimed big team mantra.

You aren't Hermit Crab by any chance with an attention seeking new name?

[Keith_M]

You aren't Hermit Crab by any chance with an attention seeking new name?


You've lost me, sorry.

[Waxy]

Hopefully there'll be a hibby or two working on the new stand. Doing the foundations n that. What goes around n that.

[Winston Ingram]

What's needed here is demolition of the entire ground. I was stunned by the state of the 'new' stands when I was at the cup semi v St Johnstone. Dirty, badly designed and an overall sense of a budget build. Oversized bus shelters as I recall them being described. They should flatten the place, sell up and find somewhere better to build from scratch or reconsider a groundshare at Murrayfield if remaining local is paramount. With its 70,000 capacity it should satisfy those Hearts fans who think they could fill such stadiums. Chris Robinson was right about this one years ago.

I live in Murrayfiled and i have the misfortune of seeing it often when using the Western Approach Road and the are an absolute state.

Hearts were up to the their necks in debt (as per) when they built them and they were running out of time to meet the Taylor Report requirements. As a result they threw up the cheapest, nastiest things they could afford. Hence the reason 20+ years later, the stands are already on their uppers.

[TrinityHibs]

I like what you are saying ! :thumbsup:

Do you know if the Chris Stewart Group is getting seriously involved ?

They bought the old office behind the main stand at auction and Chris Stewart went to see the Council with Anne Budge. He gives the whole thing credibility and certainly the Council guys thought what was being presented made sense. You have to think he sees a commercial edge in getting involved. You can second guess yourself on how they might fund the development but one thing is for sure any money being put on the table will require some kind of security. I am trying to find out a bit more but the guy I know is reluctant to talk about it for obvious reasons:cb

[Albanian Hibs]

You aren't Hermit Crab by any chance with an attention seeking new name?

😂

[GreenCastle]

Few things to think about..

1 - So how will this be funded? I still haven't heard Ann explain this - which is a key issue. Surely the fans aren't going to be asked to fund even more? They already are still in debt to her!

2 - Where will the players enter onto the pitch one they get changed in the wheatfield ? (currently no space at the corners)

3 - They can build the best new stand in the world but the other 3 are still cheap and needing some serious TLC and maintenance. Surely they need to fix these as they need upgrading.

4 - Lost income during building work - capacity will be reduced quite a bit which will affect home and away fans plus income from lack of hospitality / ticket sales.

5 - I still don't see the point spending millions on a new stand and not fixing the pitch. It's the smallest in the league and ER will still get International games because of that.

6 - ER will still be the better of the 2 stadiums - built to last - better facilities and a pitch that is fit for purpose.

I know what I would rather have :agree::greengrin

[monktonharp]

Shame the council didn't fancy working closely with us on the Lochend butterfly.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkthe council claimed at the time that it was more to do with dealings by one of sir Toms companies or links, that fell through if I recall? they would never have admitted it was to delay Hibernian fc building, or cost us space. we know different.

[monktonharp]

I agrre with greenginger that we need to watch what's happening. don't know if we can stop or delay anything, but I am seriously concerned about the possibility of the Council giving them land without paying the going rate. I am also concerned about them given leeway and permission to demolish council buildings, to suit their own ends. they cant be allowed to demolish any premises that they only rent?? I smell a rat

[Geo_1875]

Few things to think about..

1 - So how will this be funded? I still haven't heard Ann explain this - which is a key issue. Surely the fans aren't going to be asked to fund even more? They already are still in debt to her!

2 - Where will the players enter onto the pitch one they get changed in the wheatfield ? (currently no space at the corners)

3 - They can build the best new stand in the world but the other 3 are still cheap and needing some serious TLC and maintenance. Surely they need to fix these as they need upgrading.

4 - Lost income during building work - capacity will be reduced quite a bit which will affect home and away fans plus income from lack of hospitality / ticket sales.

5 - I still don't see the point spending millions on a new stand and not fixing the pitch. It's the smallest in the league and ER will still get International games because of that.

6 - ER will see be the better of the 2 stadiums - built to last - better facilities and a pitch that is fit for purpose.

I know what I would rather have :agree::greengrin

1. They will try to get someone else to pay for it for them, preferably the local tax payer or a charity. If they have to pay for it themselves it will never be built.

2. They will be forced to change out the back of the Wheatfield then run round Gorgie Road and stumble over the building site to access the pitch.

3. Sorted - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gD7LR1IiaI

4. Doesn't matter. they, and their friends in the media, will still announce 16,000+ sell out crowds during the building work.

5. If they spend their money building stands and paying their bills instead of beefing up their playing squad they won't have to worry about playing European ties.

6. Goes without saying but is always worth repeating.

[Peevemor]

the council claimed at the time that it was more to do with dealings by one of sir Toms companies or links, that fell through if I recall? they would never have admitted it was to delay Hibernian fc building, or cost us space. we know different.

The council invited offers for the land on the basis of a planning brief which said that residential development would not be permitted. STF/Hibs put in a bid on the basis of a mixed retail and sports/community development but the council accepted a higher bid from a newly formed partnership/company who wanted to build flats. STF then asked if he could resubmit his bid based on these different criteria but was refused. He then tried to gain access to the relevant files under FOI but was told by the Council that this was to expensive. He offered to cover the cost searching for and duplicating the documents but was then told that the files had been mislaid.

The whole affair stinks more of greased palms and back scratching than any anti hibs bias.

http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/12237724.Council_apologises_in_Hibs_fiasco_Sir_Tom _Farmer_apos_s_stadium_plans_excluded______from_bi dding_process_for_land_crucial_to_redevelopment/

[Keith_M]

Hopefully there'll be a hibby or two working on the new stand. Doing the foundations n that. What goes around n that.


If this is in reference to the Hearts Burd that claimed to have buried a Hearts Scarf under the East Stand then don't worry, as she made a massive booboo.

She was helping to clear the soil that made up the base of the East Terrace but put the scarf in too early, as they were still clearing it. The scarf is now part of the contents of a landfill :wink:

[greenginger]

The council invited offers for the land on the basis of a planning brief which said that residential development would not be permitted. STF/Hibs put in a bid on the basis of a mixed retail and sports/community development but the council accepted a higher bid from a newly formed partnership/company who wanted to build flats. STF then asked if he could resubmit his bid based on these different criteria but was refused. He then tried to gain access to the relevant files under FOI but was told by the Council that this was to expensive. He offered to cover the cost searching for and duplicating the documents but was then told that the files had been mislaid.

The whole affair stinks more of greased palms and back scratching than any anti hibs bias.

http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/12237724.Council_apologises_in_Hibs_fiasco_Sir_Tom _Farmer_apos_s_stadium_plans_excluded______from_bi dding_process_for_land_crucial_to_redevelopment/


Seeing that the Butterfly development is still not much more than 60% complete after 15 years, I think STF dodged a bullet with that one.

[Peevemor]

Seeing that the Butterfly development is still not much more than 60% complete after 15 years, I think STF dodged a bullet with that one.

The original partnership fell apart and nothing happened for years.

[johnbc70]

I am sure there is some European Law that permits councils selling land on the cheap, sure Celtic were investigated a few years back about something similar.

[Keith_M]

I am sure there is some European Law that permits councils selling land on the cheap, sure Celtic were investigated a few years back about something similar.


Real Madrid made a mint out of it a council land purchase and buy back, were investigated and nothing was done.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Waxy]

If this is in reference to the Hearts Burd that claimed to have buried a Hearts Scarf under the East Stand then don't worry, as she made a massive booboo.

She was helping to clear the soil that made up the base of the East Terrace but put the scarf in too early, as they were still clearing it. The scarf is now part of the contents of a landfill :wink:Yes it was. Sure there's some European law against contaminating landfill sites with hearts scarfs.

[Keith_M]

Yes it was. Sure there's some European law against contaminating landfill sites with hearts scarfs.


If not, then there damn well should be!

[Bostonhibby]

Yes it was. Sure there's some European law against contaminating landfill sites with hearts scarfs.
Definitely. It was linked to the one about irregular shaped cucumber regulations. All maroon coloured hand knitted scarves to be permanently twirled well above landfill site level.

Clear indication of where they all are until operation yewtree finally ends.

[Criswell]

Seeing that the Butterfly development is still not much more than 60% complete after 15 years, I think STF dodged a bullet with that one.

It is now being fully developed right now. As I recall, at the time STF had been advised by the Council that the site would not be granted residential status and tailored his bid accordingly. Mysteriously, the goalposts were moved sometime in the process. Suddenly, lo and behold, residential status had now been granted and the larger "successful" bid reflected this. The whole sleazy affair stank to high heaven; as did the following shameful cover-up

[greenginger]

It is now being fully developed right now. As I recall, at the time STF had been advised by the Council that the site would not be granted residential status and tailored his bid accordingly. Mysteriously, the goalposts were moved sometime in the process. Suddenly, lo and behold, residential status had now been granted and the larger "successful" bid reflected this. The whole sleazy affair stank to high heaven; as did the following shameful cover-up


It might be being developed now , but the consortium, Abercastle paid £ 12 million back in 2000 for the site . That's a hell of a lot of capital and interest tied up for a very long time.

I don't know why STF did not put in an alternative bid for a higher amount , subject to the granting of residential use.

[jgl07]

Real Madrid made a mint out of it a council land purchase and buy back, were investigated and nothing was done.

I wouldn't hold your breath.
Real Madrid sold their training ground to the council for silly money and moved it to a new location wiping out their depts in the process.

They appear to be doing the same for Atletico by buying their existing stadium to convert into a water park. This will enable Atletico to redevelop the proposed 'Olympic' stadium for their use.

It goes on all the time in Spain with Valencia and others receiving funding from Regional Governments.

[Col2]

I am intrigued in a way to see Heart of Midlothian pla, fund and execute a significant sized investment project such as this - see if through and pay it off themselves.

I say I am intrigued only because in my lifetime they have never paid debts, never properly funded anything and never had to sacrifice over spending on the squad.

[jgl07]

Anyone have an idea how quickly the re-submitted plans for the East went through the process? Obviously it was different in that full planning permission was already in place for a replica of the West so I assume a re-design on the same footprint didn't take as long as the new Hearts proposals would. Might give some indication though.
The difference is that Hibs had received planning permission for the East Stand. All that was required was to amend details for the change from two tiers to a single tier. This was pushed through before the existing planning permission was timed out. Otherwise a full consultation exercise would have had to carried out.

As far as I am aware, Hearts never received any planning permission for their proposed mega stand. They delivered their application in a lorry. The council raised some issues that were never answered as Hearts' financial position deteriorated. There are many unanswered questions regarding the 'blast zone' and other issues.

The more drawn out the planning process is, the better for Hearts. The question remains who is going to pay for it. The City Council will not, Hearts cannot, Budge will not pour God money after bad. So that leaves the supporters via their cake sales and direct debits.

Don't hold your breath.

[monktonharp]

The council invited offers for the land on the basis of a planning brief which said that residential development would not be permitted. STF/Hibs put in a bid on the basis of a mixed retail and sports/community development but the council accepted a higher bid from a newly formed partnership/company who wanted to build flats. STF then asked if he could resubmit his bid based on these different criteria but was refused. He then tried to gain access to the relevant files under FOI but was told by the Council that this was to expensive. He offered to cover the cost searching for and duplicating the documents but was then told that the files had been mislaid.

The whole affair stinks more of greased palms and back scratching than any anti hibs bias.

http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/12237724.Council_apologises_in_Hibs_fiasco_Sir_Tom _Farmer_apos_s_stadium_plans_excluded______from_bi dding_process_for_land_crucial_to_redevelopment/yes. I knew there was more to it than meets the eye. looked suspicious at the time. still wrankles with the majority of Hibs fans though considering the guff spouted by the then council, who said they were hiring one of the tyncastle stands/understands for storage. there was never even a box of Christmas trees stored there.

[jgl07]

yes. I knew there was more to it than meets the eye. looked suspicious at the time. still wrankles with the majority of Hibs fans though considering the guff spouted by the then council, who said they were hiring one of the tyncastle stands/understands for storage. there was never even a box of Christmas trees stored there.
How many times does it have to be said that Edinburgh Council never had any arrangement with Hearts to store pianos at Tynecastle, it was the now defunct Lothian Regional Council then run by Eric Milligan?

[Peevemor]

How many times does it have to be said that Edinburgh Council never had any arrangement with Hearts to store pianos at Tynecastle, it was the now defunct Lothian Regional Council then run by Eric Milligan?

And even then it was never 'real', simply a paper exercise to show another source of income to trick the bank into thinking they could repay their loans.

[Hibeesforever]

For me, the lack of clarity over the funding and financing of the stadium upgrade is because there is none. Hearts fans are paying back the club purchase and having lost £1 MILLION to share fraud, have little extra cash.
This spin is an exercise to obtain government regeneration monies. Deluded.
Their lady owner will have to build the stands. Good luck to Heart of Midlothian, they will need it to attract Donors.

[Ozyhibby]

For me, the lack of clarity over the funding and financing of the stadium upgrade is because there is none. Hearts fans are paying back the club purchase and having lost £1 MILLION to share fraud, have little extra cash.
This spin is an exercise to obtain government regeneration monies. Deluded.
Their lady owner will have to build the stands. Good luck to Heart of Midlothian, they will need it to attract Donors.

FoH are giving Hearts £1.2m a year. That should be enough to finance the new stadium provided Budge is willing to wait a bit longer to exit.
They have £1m for Sow and should bank a similar amount for Patterson in the summer. Possibly the same for Walker as well. That's about 1/3 of the money required already. They will be able to finance this.


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[GreenLake]

FoH are giving Hearts £1.2m a year. That should be enough to finance the new stadium provided Budge is willing to wait a bit longer to exit.
They have £1m for Sow and should bank a similar amount for Patterson in the summer. Possibly the same for Walker as well. That's about 1/3 of the money required already. They will be able to finance this.


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I don't see taxes included in your estimates which is entirely reasonable given their history.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't see taxes included in your estimates which is entirely reasonable given their history.

You only pay tax on profit and I very much doubt they would be so stupid as to make one.


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[jgl07]

You only pay tax on profit and I very much doubt they would be so stupid as to make one.

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With all that transfer income being bandied about it will be hard to avoid a profit escepially with the FoH income.

[Ozyhibby]

With all that transfer income being bandied about it will be hard to avoid a profit escepially with the FoH income.

They will be able to write it off against past losses probably. It's the way our system seems to work. Even if you have previously stiffed the tax man.


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[Keith_M]

FoH are giving Hearts £1.2m a year. That should be enough to finance the new stadium provided Budge is willing to wait a bit longer to exit.
They have £1m for Sow and should bank a similar amount for Patterson in the summer. Possibly the same for Walker as well. That's about 1/3 of the money required already. They will be able to finance this.




I thought the FOH money was intended for the purchase of shares (after the initial year).

Isn't it a misuse of funds to extend it to building projects?

[Ozyhibby]

I thought the FOH money was intended for the purchase of shares (after the initial year).

Isn't it a misuse of funds to extend it to building projects?

They can use the money for whatever they like so long as they have a vote. People are free to leave if they like. I think they would get unanimous approval to build a new stand.


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[Bostonhibby]

They can use the money for whatever they like so long as they have a vote. People are free to leave if they like. I think they would get unanimous approval to build a new stand.


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After all the hype and publicity they drummed up about their unique fan ownership model I think spending the cash on a stand would be perfect. A review of how much the fans actually own come say, the end of year two of saving and paying interest at 7%, would be interesting.

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5066


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[MagicSwirlingShip]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5066


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Good on them. They will probably fund it with a few player sales this summer.

[Radium]

Further to the statement released last week by Chair and CEO Ann Budge, the club can now confirm that the following document was submitted to the relevant authorities yesterday, Monday 21st March 2016.
NEW MAIN GRANDSTAND, STADIUM COMPLETION.
HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN FC, TYNECASTLE.
Pre Planning Application process information.
Planning (Scotland) Act 2006.
Pre Application Notice
The application is submitted post 3rd August 2009 and based on scale, needs to be categorised as aMajor Application. The qualifying heading specific to the Act is “other development “ with a surface floor space in excess of 5000 sq metres. This imposes a pre submission consultation process on the applicant. Proposed details of the application and compliance proposals for consultation are listed below.
Scope of application.


Redevelop the main grandstand to provide additional capacity from current figure of 4720 seats to over 7000 seats increasing the total stadium capacity from current licensed capacity of 17529 to over 20000 seats.
Improve players and officials internal facilities to meet UEFA standards and requirements of Scottish FA licensing criteria.
Improve spectator experience with unobstructed views of playing surface from modern seating arrangements, adequate toilets, food kiosks and lounges.
Improve access for the disabled to permit participation in the redeveloped main grandstand at all levels of the floor plates.
Improve supporter access and egress generally.
Provide space for club shop, ticket office and admin office.
Create a new Tynecastle Nursery within the new grandstand in much the same location as the current nursery.
Work with City Council to regenerate the McLeod Street streetscape by creating an urban landscaped campus from the school to the new facade of grandstand. Look at traffic calming/stopping, planting, lighting, street sculpture, trompe l'oeil on gable of tenement. Start at Gorgie Road, finish at 25 new flats.

As also outlined in Ann’s statement (http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056) and following the submission of this document, the club will now enter into an 8 week public consultation process with further details of this process to follow.

[SJM]

They are desperate not to admit it's going to have a lower capacity than Easter Road.

It will still stink of ***** and the other stands will still need a lick of paint and major investment inside of them, if this actually does go ahead.

[Kato]

"Create a new Tynecastle Nursery within the new grandstand in much the same location as the current nursery.
Work with City Council to regenerate the McLeod Street streetscape by creating an urban landscaped campus from the school to the new facade of grandstand. "

Stinks of Council cash going to them for free.

[Peevemor]

Further to the statement released last week by Chair and CEO Ann Budge, the club can now confirm that the following document was submitted to the relevant authorities yesterday, Monday 21st March 2016.
NEW MAIN GRANDSTAND, STADIUM COMPLETION.
HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN FC, TYNECASTLE.
Pre Planning Application process information.
Planning (Scotland) Act 2006.
Pre Application Notice
The application is submitted post 3rd August 2009 and based on scale, needs to be categorised as aMajor Application. The qualifying heading specific to the Act is “other development “ with a surface floor space in excess of 5000 sq metres. This imposes a pre submission consultation process on the applicant. Proposed details of the application and compliance proposals for consultation are listed below.
Scope of application.


Redevelop the main grandstand to provide additional capacity from current figure of 4720 seats to over 7000 seats increasing the total stadium capacity from current licensed capacity of 17529 to over 20000 seats.
Improve players and officials internal facilities to meet UEFA standards and requirements of Scottish FA licensing criteria.
Improve spectator experience with unobstructed views of playing surface from modern seating arrangements, adequate toilets, food kiosks and lounges.
Improve access for the disabled to permit participation in the redeveloped main grandstand at all levels of the floor plates.
Improve supporter access and egress generally.
Provide space for club shop, ticket office and admin office.
Create a new Tynecastle Nursery within the new grandstand in much the same location as the current nursery.
Work with City Council to regenerate the McLeod Street streetscape by creating an urban landscaped campus from the school to the new facade of grandstand. Look at traffic calming/stopping, planting, lighting, street sculpture, trompe l'oeil on gable of tenement. Start at Gorgie Road, finish at 25 new flats.

As also outlined in Ann’s statement (http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056) and following the submission of this document, the club will now enter into an 8 week public consultation process with further details of this process to follow.

Does anyone remember when Mark and Lard did a regular "vague news" spot on their afternoon programme?


"Dear Counsul,

We want to build a new stand. It's gonnae be barry and bigger than the hobos and will stick to all the rules (promise).

Luv

Anne (83)"

[Geo_1875]

Further to the statement released last week by Chair and CEO Ann Budge, the club can now confirm that the following document was submitted to the relevant authorities yesterday, Monday 21st March 2016.
NEW MAIN GRANDSTAND, STADIUM COMPLETION.
HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN FC, TYNECASTLE.
Pre Planning Application process information.
Planning (Scotland) Act 2006.
Pre Application Notice
The application is submitted post 3rd August 2009 and based on scale, needs to be categorised as aMajor Application. The qualifying heading specific to the Act is “other development “ with a surface floor space in excess of 5000 sq metres. This imposes a pre submission consultation process on the applicant. Proposed details of the application and compliance proposals for consultation are listed below.
Scope of application.


Redevelop the main grandstand to provide additional capacity from current figure of 4720 seats to over 7000 seats increasing the total stadium capacity from current licensed capacity of 17529 to over 20000 seats.
Improve players and officials internal facilities to meet UEFA standards and requirements of Scottish FA licensing criteria.
Improve spectator experience with unobstructed views of playing surface from modern seating arrangements, adequate toilets, food kiosks and lounges.
Improve access for the disabled to permit participation in the redeveloped main grandstand at all levels of the floor plates.
Improve supporter access and egress generally.
Provide space for club shop, ticket office and admin office.
Create a new Tynecastle Nursery within the new grandstand in much the same location as the current nursery.
Work with City Council to regenerate the McLeod Street streetscape by creating an urban landscaped campus from the school to the new facade of grandstand. Look at traffic calming/stopping, planting, lighting, street sculpture, trompe l'oeil on gable of tenement. Start at Gorgie Road, finish at 25 new flats.

As also outlined in Ann’s statement (http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056) and following the submission of this document, the club will now enter into an 8 week public consultation process with further details of this process to follow.

So they don't currently meet Scottish FA licensing criteria.

I wonder who let that one slip through without challenge?

[SHODAN]

Congratulations, they will now have one stand that's on par with what we have and three that aren't.

[greenginger]

Further to the statement released last week by Chair and CEO Ann Budge, the club can now confirm that the following document was submitted to the relevant authorities yesterday, Monday 21st March 2016.
NEW MAIN GRANDSTAND, STADIUM COMPLETION.
HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN FC, TYNECASTLE.
Pre Planning Application process information.
Planning (Scotland) Act 2006.
Pre Application Notice
The application is submitted post 3rd August 2009 and based on scale, needs to be categorised as aMajor Application. The qualifying heading specific to the Act is “other development “ with a surface floor space in excess of 5000 sq metres. This imposes a pre submission consultation process on the applicant. Proposed details of the application and compliance proposals for consultation are listed below.
Scope of application.


Redevelop the main grandstand to provide additional capacity from current figure of 4720 seats to over 7000 seats increasing the total stadium capacity from current licensed capacity of 17529 to over 20000 seats.
Improve players and officials internal facilities to meet UEFA standards and requirements of Scottish FA licensing criteria.
Improve spectator experience with unobstructed views of playing surface from modern seating arrangements, adequate toilets, food kiosks and lounges.
Improve access for the disabled to permit participation in the redeveloped main grandstand at all levels of the floor plates.
Improve supporter access and egress generally.
Provide space for club shop, ticket office and admin office.
Create a new Tynecastle Nursery within the new grandstand in much the same location as the current nursery.
Work with City Council to regenerate the McLeod Street streetscape by creating an urban landscaped campus from the school to the new facade of grandstand. Look at traffic calming/stopping, planting, lighting, street sculpture, trompe l'oeil on gable of tenement. Start at Gorgie Road, finish at 25 new flats.

As also outlined in Ann’s statement (http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056) and following the submission of this document, the club will now enter into an 8 week public consultation process with further details of this process to follow.


No 2. Improve players and officials internal facilities to meet UEFA standards ......

And what about the pitch size ? not much point of having UEFA compliant internal facilities when the pitch don't comply.

[TrinityHibs]

FoH are giving Hearts £1.2m a year. That should be enough to finance the new stadium provided Budge is willing to wait a bit longer to exit.
They have £1m for Sow and should bank a similar amount for Patterson in the summer. Possibly the same for Walker as well. That's about 1/3 of the money required already. They will be able to finance this.


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not sure about that Ozy. While I think they will fund it somehow or another I'm not sure any right minded person would put money in to fund a stand without gaining security over Tynecastle from Budge as the FoH money is not something they would be able to rely on.

[Ozyhibby]

not sure about that Ozy. While I think they will fund it somehow or another I'm not sure any right minded person would put money in to fund a stand without gaining security over Tynecastle from Budge as the FoH money is not something they would be able to rely on.

So long as Budge stands behind it they should be able to raise finance.
Although it may be more expensive these days.

[SJM]

No 2. Improve players and officials internal facilities to meet UEFA standards ......

And what about the pitch size ? not much point of having UEFA compliant internal facilities when the pitch don't comply.

I think the pitch size criteria has been scraped that's how they played Spurs and Liverpool there. It's the other facilities in the ****hole that isn't up to UEFA standard meaning actual Europa league matches can't be played there.

[TrinityHibs]

Further to the statement released last week by Chair and CEO Ann Budge, the club can now confirm that the following document was submitted to the relevant authorities yesterday, Monday 21st March 2016.
NEW MAIN GRANDSTAND, STADIUM COMPLETION.
HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN FC, TYNECASTLE.
Pre Planning Application process information.
Planning (Scotland) Act 2006.
Pre Application Notice
The application is submitted post 3rd August 2009 and based on scale, needs to be categorised as aMajor Application. The qualifying heading specific to the Act is “other development “ with a surface floor space in excess of 5000 sq metres. This imposes a pre submission consultation process on the applicant. Proposed details of the application and compliance proposals for consultation are listed below.
Scope of application.


Redevelop the main grandstand to provide additional capacity from current figure of 4720 seats to over 7000 seats increasing the total stadium capacity from current licensed capacity of 17529 to over 20000 seats.
Improve players and officials internal facilities to meet UEFA standards and requirements of Scottish FA licensing criteria.
Improve spectator experience with unobstructed views of playing surface from modern seating arrangements, adequate toilets, food kiosks and lounges.
Improve access for the disabled to permit participation in the redeveloped main grandstand at all levels of the floor plates.
Improve supporter access and egress generally.
Provide space for club shop, ticket office and admin office.
Create a new Tynecastle Nursery within the new grandstand in much the same location as the current nursery.
Work with City Council to regenerate the McLeod Street streetscape by creating an urban landscaped campus from the school to the new facade of grandstand. Look at traffic calming/stopping, planting, lighting, street sculpture, trompe l'oeil on gable of tenement. Start at Gorgie Road, finish at 25 new flats.

As also outlined in Ann’s statement (http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5056) and following the submission of this document, the club will now enter into an 8 week public consultation process with further details of this process to follow.

See attached link.

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20067/planning_applications/756/apply_for_major_development_planning_permission

It clearly says a minimum of 12 weeks consultation with the community.

[SJM]

not sure about that Ozy. While I think they will fund it somehow or another I'm not sure any right minded person would put money in to fund a stand without gaining security over Tynecastle from Budge as the FoH money is not something they would be able to rely on.


Budge will end up being the guarantor of the club or some ***** like that when getting a loan. How long until any bank will touch them again though? 3 years signed off accounts or similar?

[Ozyhibby]

Budge will end up being the guarantor of the club or some ***** like that when getting a loan. How long until any bank will touch them again though? 3 years signed off accounts or similar?

If someone thinks they can make money they will lend now.


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[SJM]

If someone thinks they can make money they will lend now.


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Aye wouldn't surprise me with a joint venture with another company come to think of it. They got lucky with Riccarton they will probably again.

[greenginger]

I think the pitch size criteria has been scraped that's how they played Spurs and Liverpool there. It's the other facilities in the ****hole that isn't up to UEFA standard meaning actual Europa league matches can't be played there.


Stadium ratings changed in 2006, but they still need a grade 4 stadium for any match in the Europa League main competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories

That requires the pitch to be 105 x 68 metres in size. The PBS pitch is only 98 metres long.

I think there were allowances made for Spurs and Liverpool games or they may have been qualifiers.

[Col2]

It's all so underwelling for the average yam roaster.

They don't understand why it's not a super doper 12k 3 tier stand the envy of European clubs. And they just don't think it's relevant to ask how it will be funded as funding was and is always someone else's problem.

So they are getting a stand not even as good as our main stand. And they still need to fund it. Big team my arse.

[Col2]

Stadium ratings changed in 2006, but they still need a grade 4 stadium for any match in the Europa League main competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories

That requires the pitch to be 105 x 68 metres in size. The PBS pitch is only 98 metres long.

I think there were allowances made for Spurs and Liverpool games or they may have been qualifiers.

Yup. They start in June, yes that's right June for the qualifying rounds. I don't think they need to worry about qualifying for the real competition rounds.

[SJM]

Stadium ratings changed in 2006, but they still need a grade 4 stadium for any match in the Europa League main competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories

That requires the pitch to be 105 x 68 metres in size. The PBS pitch is only 98 metres long.

I think there were allowances made for Spurs and Liverpool games or they may have been qualifiers.

Fair play 👍

[SJM]

Yup. They start in June, yes that's right June for the qualifying rounds. I don't think they need to worry about qualifying for the real competition rounds.

Hopefully a trip to Tel Aviv or the Ukraine awaits.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Say what you like about the Yams ( and I do ... often :greengrin ) but at least they are finally turning to replacing their death trap crumbling auld relic of a stand. Its pretty well been forced on them I would guess, coz even Edinburgh's Hertz biased council must have begun to realise that a Bradford type disaster wouldn't just lead to fingers being pointed at the folk running the club.

To be honest it should be part of a root and branch investigation of football grounds all around Scotland ...... A Yam I know posted some pictures from the street of the shed opposite the main stand at Dens park and it was a bloody disgrace, with old broken bits of signs lying around and weeds growing out of the stairs leading up to it, the handrails looked badly in need of a coat of paint too.

How much does it cost for a few pots of paint and to hire a skip? How much effort is it to pull up some weeds? ........ most clubs fans will respond to a call to come along and help spruce the ground up, if I'm not mistaken both us and the Yams have done it recently.

The SFA and SPFL should have a guy who makes periodic visits to every senior ground to inspect them with fines handed out to clubs who don't appear to be making even a basic effort to make their stadiums presentable inside and out ....... If they actually do have such a guy he should be sacked.

[Kojock]

1.Redevelop the main grandstand to provide additional capacity from current figure of 4720 seats to over 7000 seats increasing the total stadium capacity from current licensed capacity of 17529 to over 20000 seats.

If the old stand holds 4720 and the new capacity is 7000+ that means an additional 2280+ seats

Current capacity is 17529 add the new seats 2280 and you have a capacity of 19809. If the new stand takes the capacity over 20000 then why not just say that it holds 7200 ??

[son of haggart]

Say what you like about the Yams ( and I do ... often :greengrin ) but at least they are finally turning to replacing their death trap crumbling auld relic of a stand. Its pretty well been forced on them I would guess, coz even Edinburgh's Hertz biased council must have begun to realise that a Bradford type disaster wouldn't just lead to fingers being pointed at the folk running the club.

To be honest it should be part of a root and branch investigation of football grounds all around Scotland ...... A Yam I know posted some pictures from the street of the shed opposite the main stand at Dens park and it was a bloody disgrace, with old broken bits of signs lying around and weeds growing out of the stairs leading up to it, the handrails looked badly in need of a coat of paint too.

How much does it cost for a few pots of paint and to hire a skip? How much effort is it to pull up some weeds? ........ most clubs fans will respond to a call to come along and help spruce the ground up, if I'm not mistaken both us and the Yams have done it recently.

The SFA and SPFL should have a guy who makes periodic visits to every senior ground to inspect them with fines handed out to clubs who don't appear to be making even a basic effort to make their stadiums presentable inside and out ....... If they actually do have such a guy he should be sacked.

AFC Wimbledon do this very successfully every year in the summer break. They make a big thing of it over a weekend with everyone chipping in and food and drink etc Seems to work well and they must save a lot of money on maintenance costs.

[mowgli]

Stadium ratings changed in 2006, but they still need a grade 4 stadium for any match in the Europa League main competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories

That requires the pitch to be 105 x 68 metres in size. The PBS pitch is only 98 metres long.

I think there were allowances made for Spurs and Liverpool games or they may have been qualifiers.

Tynecastle is 107x74.

[hibs0666]

Tynecastle is 107x74.

Is that feet or yards? It's certainly not metres.

[Peevemor]

Is that feet or yards? It's certainly not metres.

Yards, which makes it just under 98m

[Pete]

Can't they just play their European matches at murrayfield?

[Andy74]

1.Redevelop the main grandstand to provide additional capacity from current figure of 4720 seats to over 7000 seats increasing the total stadium capacity from current licensed capacity of 17529 to over 20000 seats.

If the old stand holds 4720 and the new capacity is 7000+ that means an additional 2280+ seats

Current capacity is 17529 add the new seats 2280 and you have a capacity of 19809. If the new stand takes the capacity over 20000 then why not just say that it holds 7200 ??

They are still figuring out how they can work it to have more seats than Hibs.

[greenginger]

Tynecastle is 107x74.


Your right , unfortunately its 107x74 yards and UEFA measure in metres.

Your pitch is 97.8 x 67.66 metres.

[NAE NOOKIE]

AFC Wimbledon do this very successfully every year in the summer break. They make a big thing of it over a weekend with everyone chipping in and food and drink etc Seems to work well and they must save a lot of money on maintenance costs.

Its a funny thing ..... I cant be arsed to cut my own grass or wash my windows half the time, but if I see a flaking bit of paint or a blade of grass out of place at Easter Road it does my nut in. I am of the firm opinion that the state of a clubs ground reflects on its professionalism .... it should be the pride of the club, not an afterthought.

Weeds on the terrace or stairways, peeling paint ..... even stuff like training goals lying over empty seats during a match ( Ross County take note ) or a set of goals that look like they were made from offcuts from Plumb Centre ( Raith Rovers ) reflect badly on any club and on Scottish football in general.

[Kato]

It's all so underwelling for the average yam roaster.

They don't understand why it's not a super doper 12k 3 tier stand the envy of European clubs. And they just don't think it's relevant to ask how it will be funded as funding was and is always someone else's problem.

So they are getting a stand not even as good as our main stand. And they still need to fund it. Big team my arse.

They won't admit that. They can't even bring themselves to admit they reside in a rat-hole as it is.


The best stadium in Scotland is being upgraded in their minds.

[Weststandwanab]

Your right , unfortunately its 107x74 yards and UEFA measure in metres.

Your pitch is 97.8 x 76.66 metres.

I think your ruler may have gone a bit wonky there.

[Sergey]

AFC Wimbledon do this very successfully every year in the summer break. They make a big thing of it over a weekend with everyone chipping in and food and drink etc Seems to work well and they must save a lot of money on maintenance costs.

Kingsmeadow isn't too bad a ground as it's actually the rightful home of Kingstonian who ply their trade in the Ryman.

Wealdstone supporters a few seasons ago volunteered and erected a new covered terracing including a tiered concreted base and crash barriers et al. It didn't cost the club a penny and the improvements meant they could play at National League level (Conference).

[Col2]

They are still figuring out how they can work it to have more seats than Hibs.

That's exactly it. We know it, they know it. One more seat than us and it will be "edinburgh's biggest football stadium" and the usual size related cr@p they come out with. Scott Wilson will be drooling at the thought.

[monktonharp]

"Create a new Tynecastle Nursery within the new grandstand in much the same location as the current nursery.
Work with City Council to regenerate the McLeod Street streetscape by creating an urban landscaped campus from the school to the new facade of grandstand. "

Stinks of Council cash going to them for free.that is the real standout statement of this grandeur venture. Our money is helping them. no doubt the council will need to cover all the costs for consultations regarding the surroundings!!stinks to high heaven.

[Radium]

That's exactly it. We know it, they know it. One more seat than us and it will be "edinburgh's biggest football stadium" and the usual size related cr@p they come out with. Scott Wilson will be drooling at the thought.

Magic number would appear to be a stand with a capacity of 7613 - The West Stand at ER has a capacity of 6407 (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?172756-Capacity-of-Easter-Road-Stands-**Updated-figures**) by way of comparison

[Waxy]

It'll just be like a more modern bus shelter. A bit bigger than the other three but i bet it'll still be pink.

[jacomo]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5066


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Sorry, still not buying it.

Still no mention of finance. They can't borrow from a bank and Budge (based on evidence so far) unlikely to gift them the cash.

That means paying her back. They may use FoH money for this (no confirmation of this, but a reasonable assumption), but this will take a decade. Meanwhile, no FoH money available for working capital or buying shares - and the three other stands will be 10 years older and looking very ropey.

Hmm.

[macca70]

Sure I read that they will be putting changing rooms into the wheatfield along with a temporary tunnel to use whilst the new main stand is being built.

The wheatfield changing rooms would then be used as facilities for some pitch that is behind the wheatfield (don't think it's hearts though, sounds like it's owned by brewery or whatever is behind wheatfield.

Sounds like a lot of work to accommodate the building of the main stand.

Amazes me that we have a modern 60000+ Stadium sat in Edinburgh that is used for a handful of rugby internationals. I suppose Edinburgh rugby has been using it but think they are due to move.

If Murrayfield was across the road from ER surely it would be a no brainer for Hibs to share, so why Hearts don't come to a deal to use Murrayfield seems crazy.

[greenginger]

Sorry, still not buying it.

Still no mention of finance. They can't borrow from a bank and Budge (based on evidence so far) unlikely to gift them the cash.

That means paying her back. They may use FoH money for this (no confirmation of this, but a reasonable assumption), but this will take a decade. Meanwhile, no FoH money available for working capital or buying shares - and the three other stands will be 10 years older and looking very ropey.

Hmm.

The number one thing is for them to be seen to be taking action to replace the wooden death trap.

That will ensure the issue of a safety certificate for another couple of years and then it will be put on hold while other options are looked at ,and another safety certificate whilst that is happening.

[Liberal Hibby]

Magic number would appear to be a stand with a capacity of 7613 - The West Stand at ER has a capacity of 6407 (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?172756-Capacity-of-Easter-Road-Stands-**Updated-figures**) by way of comparison

So they'll need to build a stand some 20% larger than the west stand on a footprint that's 7m shorter (going by pitch length). In terms of seats what's that? 12/15 seats per row? Over 50 rows that's 600-750 seats. They're going to need to go back a long way to get to 7,200 seats.

It will be interesting to see how they do it. I suspect they may find this quite an expensive project...

[jgl07]

So they'll need to build a stand some 20% larger than the west stand on a footprint that's 7m shorter (going by pitch length). In terms of seats what's that? 12/15 seats per row? Over 50 rows that's 600-750 seats. They're going to need to go back a long way to get to 7,200 seats.

It will be interesting to see how they do it. I suspect they may find this quite an expensive project...

£15 - £20 million I would guess.

[jgl07]

Sure I read that they will be putting changing rooms into the wheatfield along with a temporary tunnel to use whilst the new main stand is being built.

The wheatfield changing rooms would then be used as facilities for some pitch that is behind the wheatfield (don't think it's hearts though, sounds like it's owned by brewery or whatever is behind wheatfield.

Sounds like a lot of work to accommodate the building of the main stand.

Amazes me that we have a modern 60000+ Stadium sat in Edinburgh that is used for a handful of rugby internationals. I suppose Edinburgh rugby has been using it but think they are due to move.

If Murrayfield was across the road from ER surely it would be a no brainer for Hibs to share, so why Hearts don't come to a deal to use Murrayfield seems crazy.
Horrible idea. Why do you think Edinburgh Rugby want to move out?

What sort of atmosphere would be generated by 9,000 Hibs fans in a stadium of that size, especially one with a stupid running track to one side.

Even the 800,000 Hearts supporters would be hard pressed to fill that one!

[SuperAllyMcleod]

That's exactly it. We know it, they know it. One more seat than us and it will be "edinburgh's biggest football stadium" and the usual size related cr@p they come out with. Scott Wilson will be drooling at the thought.

Let them build it and if they do have a few more seats all we have to do is open up one of the corners and put in a Hamilton style gazebo fit for a couple of hundred fans and then stand back and await the outcry from across the city.

The bottom line is that we have an awful lot more space available to expand into - they are already trying to squeeze a big stand into a relatively small space.

[Criswell]

It will be interesting to see how this new stand is going to be funded. Given their recent shameless record of dumping massive amounts of debt it's difficult to imagine any sane lender giving them a brass farthing! Perhaps they already have a Admin II factored into the plan. It's whit big teams do ye ken!

[NAE NOOKIE]

It will be interesting to see how this new stand is going to be funded. Given their recent shameless record of dumping massive amounts of debt it's difficult to imagine any sane lender giving them a brass farthing! Perhaps they already have a Admin II factored into the plan. It's whit big teams do ye ken!

I understand the new stand will be named after a hearts legend ....... Alfie Conn must be in with a shout.

The 'A Conn' stand has a ring to it :greengrin

[GreenLake]

It is interesting to consider the philology of the word Jambo and notice the likely derivation from the French word Jambon which means a cut of pig meat. Quite fitting for a stadium built on the land of a former piggery. The new stand ought to be sponsored by Wall's.

[HoboHarry]

Magic number would appear to be a stand with a capacity of 7613 - The West Stand at ER has a capacity of 6407 (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?172756-Capacity-of-Easter-Road-Stands-**Updated-figures**) by way of comparison
Fixed it for you - the number should be 7062. Get it right ya banger :greengrin

[ruthven_raiders]

They are still figuring out how they can work it to have more seats than Hibs.

Posted a little while back and their official capacity for each stand including new one, comes to around 19.5k so they are being economical with the truth, they won't want to be seen to have a smaller capacity than Hibs! Lol

[Hibs07p]

I understand the new stand will be named after a hearts legend ....... Alfie Conn must be in with a shout.

The 'A Conn' stand has a ring to it :greengrin

Surely it would be named after their living "legend" Ann Budge who's allegedly going to make this happen for them. We would immediately rename it "The Budgie Smugglers" stand because it would be full of pricks. Job done.

GGTTH

[Ozyhibby]

So they'll need to build a stand some 20% larger than the west stand on a footprint that's 7m shorter (going by pitch length). In terms of seats what's that? 12/15 seats per row? Over 50 rows that's 600-750 seats. They're going to need to go back a long way to get to 7,200 seats.

It will be interesting to see how they do it. I suspect they may find this quite an expensive project...

It will be more than 7m shorter as the don't have as big run off areas behind the goals as we do.


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[greenginger]

I've been giving a little thought to Mrs Budge's start date for the project of next Autumn and realise she must mean the work on the Wheatfield Stand Undercroft as this can be seen as part of the project.

This will be come clear when the season tickets for shed go on sale.

[jacomo]

The number one thing is for them to be seen to be taking action to replace the wooden death trap.

That will ensure the issue of a safety certificate for another couple of years and then it will be put on hold while other options are looked at ,and another safety certificate whilst that is happening.


:agree:

The 'plan', as it stands, simply doesn't add up.

It's more than enough to fool the Yams though. Because they are stupid.

[HibeesLA]

Application is on the council site, but currently restricted from viewing: https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/propertyDetails.do?activeTab=relatedCases&keyVal=02ZMAO00DT000 Scroll down to Application #16/01610/PAN

[greenginger]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/hearts-fans-look-to-prevent-tynecastle-demolition-1-3149348

I wonder if Marion Williams at the Cockburn Trust is aware that this icon of historic importance is under threat again.

I think she should be told . :wink:

[007 Mickey Weir]

So how does the consultation work. Should detailed plans not be accessible for public to review?

[jacomo]

So how does the consultation work. Should detailed plans not be accessible for public to review?

Cosy little deal behind closed doors?

But I really wouldn't worry about it. It doesn't matter what they say, I can't see it happening.

It's just another Hearts owner kidding on to the Yam masses.

[green day]

I think it will happen. It will be Budges wee gift to the dafties.

Either she really is a saint and bunces up the cash herself - or it is on the never never as usual with them.

Either way, they are so far from "fan ownership" it's not funny.

[Aldo]

Was reported the other day by Banderson on Twitter! Attempts were made to correct his errors however he did what he usually does... Head in the sand!

Under 20K and not 20K plus as he reported!

[Eyrie]

I think it will happen. It will be Budges wee gift to the dafties.

Either she really is a saint and bunces up the cash herself - or it is on the never never as usual with them.

Either way, they are so far from "fan ownership" it's not funny.

Wouldn't surprise me if she provides a loan to fund their new stand. Where else can she get an interest rate of 07%?

[MyJo]

I think we just have to face it that this is actually happening guys.

No football club gets to the stage of drawing up designs and submitting a planning application of that magnitude without following through on thier plans.

oh wait................

[Bostonhibby]

I think we just have to face it that this is actually happening guys.

No football club gets to the stage of drawing up designs and submitting a planning application of that magnitude without following through on thier plans.

oh wait................

:agree:The deal isn't done until you have a large pile of cardboard boxes full of paper photographed and publicised by the EEN. All big teams do it, and it worked well the last time.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I still think they'd be better off moving, finances allowing. The Tynecastle plot is very enclosed, which means they're always going to be hampered in their re-development. They could get good money for that location and then have far more options regarding possible stadium designs.

[jgl07]

So how does the consultation work. Should detailed plans not be accessible for public to review?
I suspect that this is for the preparation work to the Wheatfield Stand undercroft.

Of course it may simply be work to prepare for the closure of the main stand in the vent that the safety certificate is not forthcoming and the money is not in place for its replacement?

[monktonharp]

Sure I read that they will be putting changing rooms into the wheatfield along with a temporary tunnel to use whilst the new main stand is being built.

The wheatfield changing rooms would then be used as facilities for some pitch that is behind the wheatfield (don't think it's hearts though, sounds like it's owned by brewery or whatever is behind wheatfield.

Sounds like a lot of work to accommodate the building of the main stand.

Amazes me that we have a modern 60000+ Stadium sat in Edinburgh that is used for a handful of rugby internationals. I suppose Edinburgh rugby has been using it but think they are due to move.

If Murrayfield was across the road from ER surely it would be a no brainer for Hibs to share, so why Hearts don't come to a deal to use Murrayfield seems crazy.It does seem a bit silly . mind you as long as they don't share the Holy Ground, I will be happy.

[monktonharp]

I still think they'd be better off moving, finances allowing. The Tynecastle plot is very enclosed, which means they're always going to be hampered in their re-development. They could get good money for that location and then have far more options regarding possible stadium designs.Erm......order, order.... the right 'orrible Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, would question that. he is on record saying that the land is virtually worthless and no building work is going on in the area.:rolleyes: don't know how he knew that, him being the lord o' Cumnock an' aw that.:confused:

[monktonharp]

I think we just have to face it that this is actually happening guys.

. we may have to face it , but my biggest concern will always be the possibility of Edin.Council assisting them with finances for the whole project. It looks as if the council will be doing All the alteration work to the Mc Leodstreet lighting, utilities etc as if they would be doing it for the community! they would not, they would be mainly doing it for the gorgie mob! How many people live in that street, in comparison to Albion Place or Albion Road?

[CentreLine]

So they'll need to build a stand some 20% larger than the west stand on a footprint that's 7m shorter (going by pitch length). In terms of seats what's that? 12/15 seats per row? Over 50 rows that's 600-750 seats. They're going to need to go back a long way to get to 7,200 seats.

It will be interesting to see how they do it. I suspect they may find this quite an expensive project...

As I undertsand it the seats at Tynecastle are around two inches narrower than ours at Easter Road. Sqeeze 'em in but it allows for more seats in a smaller area.

[TrinityHibs]

I suspect that this is for the preparation work to the Wheatfield Stand undercroft.

Of course it may simply be work to prepare for the closure of the main stand in the vent that the safety certificate is not forthcoming and the money is not in place for its replacement?

There is no requirement to consult on the Wheatfield works as it is not a major application. Consultation for the main stand is required as it is a major application. As a minimum Hearts must advertise in the local paper, EEN, that they will be undertaking a Public Event, This is normally done in a public hall but would expect it to be at Tincastle for this one. Best practice suggests at least 2 days one midweek and one at the weekend. they should present all their plans, elevations,sections for public comment. In addition meetings can be arranged with local community groups, schools, clubs etc. The purpose of the consultation is to inform the community and adapt the design. On completion of the consultation period (12 weeks for everyone other than Hertz who say they are going to do it in 8 weeks) all reasonable changes are made to the design and a report prepared which is submitted in support of the planning application. This should take at least 2 weeks or the applicant is just paying lip service to the statutory process. This is a great opportunity for the applicant to gain support for their proposals and identify those who are against. Remember if you want to object you can only make comment at a public consultation you have to wait until the application is made and object to that. Should anyone wish to object you have to do it on planning grounds or it will just be disregarded. Not that I am encouraging such an action.:cb

[lapsedhibee]

Should anyone wish to object you have to do it on planning grounds or it will just be disregarded. Not that I am encouraging such an action.:cb
Could be confusing. Would we want them to spend the money they don't have on a new stand, or the same money on players, as they've done hitherto? If people successfully object to That's What I Call An Application, won't that simply mean that they sign those world cup stars who'll enable them to win the CL all the sooner?

[Brunswickbill]

There is no requirement to consult on the Wheatfield works as it is not a major application. Consultation for the main stand is required as it is a major application. As a minimum Hearts must advertise in the local paper, EEN, that they will be undertaking a Public Event, This is normally done in a public hall but would expect it to be at Tincastle for this one. Best practice suggests at least 2 days one midweek and one at the weekend. they should present all their plans, elevations,sections for public comment. In addition meetings can be arranged with local community groups, schools, clubs etc. The purpose of the consultation is to inform the community and adapt the design. On completion of the consultation period (12 weeks for everyone other than Hertz who say they are going to do it in 8 weeks) all reasonable changes are made to the design and a report prepared which is submitted in support of the planning application. This should take at least 2 weeks or the applicant is just paying lip service to the statutory process. This is a great opportunity for the applicant to gain support for their proposals and identify those who are against. Remember if you want to object you can only make comment at a public consultation you have to wait until the application is made and object to that. Should anyone wish to object you have to do it on planning grounds or it will just be disregarded. Not that I am encouraging such an action.:cb
All part of the wonderful planning process introduced by Jim Mackinnon, former chief planner of Scottish Government- well known Jambo and Donald Trump supporter.

[Geo_1875]

Application is on the council site, but currently restricted from viewing: https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/propertyDetails.do?activeTab=relatedCases&keyVal=02ZMAO00DT000 Scroll down to Application #16/01610/PAN

I notice that the 2008 Mega Plan was titled "Replacement of the main stand ....." while their latest effort is "Development of main grandstand at stadium to increase capacity...."

Are they planning on building a new one or just squeezing in 3,000 more seats?

They could have just called it "Plan to increase capacity to more than Easter Road......"

[NAE NOOKIE]

I notice that the 2008 Mega Plan was titled "Replacement of the main stand ....." while their latest effort is "Development of main grandstand at stadium to increase capacity...."

Are they planning on building a new one or just squeezing in 3,000 more seats?

They could have just called it "Plan to increase capacity to more than Easter Road......"

I hope they do .... I hope they get up to 23,000 ........ They are under a delusion that they can grow crowds up to more than they get now if they have a bigger stadium.

The truth is that in the next few seasons the factors which have lead to them bucking the trend crowd wise will be forgotten and it will be down to a team depleted by money diverted to infrastructure to put bums on seats .......... as we know all too well that rarely works out. Don't get me wrong, I still think they will get 12 to 13 thousand in their 20 odd thousand ground. We would settle for that at ER ....... but when you are 'the big team' and constantly going on about empty seats at other folks grounds 7,000 empty seats in your own gaff is going to make you look a bit silly.

[dchibs]

As I undertsand it the seats at Tynecastle are around two inches narrower than ours at Easter Road. Sqeeze 'em in but it allows for more seats in a smaller area.
And not much leg room.

[greenginger]

Came across this on our Council Estate services webpage


http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20021/commercial_property_for_sale_to_let/211/renting_or_buying_commercial_property_from_the_cou ncil

" We have to get the best price for the properties we let or sell. We do this by putting them on the open market and inviting bids "

I must have missed the Council asking for bids for the land in Mcleod Street the Yams want to buy/be gifted.

[ruthven_raiders]

Was reported the other day by Banderson on Twitter! Attempts were made to correct his errors however he did what he usually does... Head in the sand!

Under 20K and not 20K plus as he reported!

Yup around 19.6k according to their official figures lol

[ruthven_raiders]

Fixed it for you - the number should be 7062. Get it right ya banger :greengrin

7613 still be short of hibs capacity by 200 lol

[Bostonhibby]

Came across this on our Council Estate services webpage


http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20021/commercial_property_for_sale_to_let/211/renting_or_buying_commercial_property_from_the_cou ncil

" We have to get the best price for the properties we let or sell. We do this by putting them on the open market and inviting bids "

I must have missed the Council asking for bids for the land in Mcleod Street the Yams want to buy/be gifted.

Keep an eye out for the tender, its got to be a good one for a speculator to bid on, if one is lucky enough to make the winning bid they could name their price to anyone who subsequently wanted to develop the surrounding area but needed to have that bit of land.

Might be worth putting a consortium together, will have the same chance as everyone else if the council are true to their commendable statement. Can't wait for the bidding to start.

[TheFall]

Its a funny thing ..... I cant be arsed to cut my own grass or wash my windows half the time, but if I see a flaking bit of paint or a blade of grass out of place at Easter Road it does my nut in. I am of the firm opinion that the state of a clubs ground reflects on its professionalism .... it should be the pride of the club, not an afterthought.

Weeds on the terrace or stairways, peeling paint ..... even stuff like training goals lying over empty seats during a match ( Ross County take note ) or a set of goals that look like they were made from offcuts from Plumb Centre ( Raith Rovers ) reflect badly on any club and on Scottish football in general.

Yes, it is crap when you see a Scottish match on TV and the ground is a mess.
The training goals over the empty seats looks rediculous.