Tynecastle Re-Development

[chrisski33]

Heard that, also heard them "gushing" about their training ground

Maybe new training ground may result in a run of crap results and players?

[Danderhall Hibs]

That was under Vlad, think this design the new one holds six thousand.

Ok. Guaranteed they'll still be building it so their capacity is one more than ours though.

[Kato]

Who cares about if they are building a new stand. As long as its done without finance from the council let them get on with it. I'm proud of our stadium and their stadium will never outshine ours.

:agree:

[Thecat23]

Ok. Guaranteed they'll still be building it so their capacity is one more than ours though.

That's a cert, even if it's just one more seat they will make sure it's more than us.

[God Petrie]

Haha kickback is gold. Some **** stick suggesting using season ticket money in advance to pay for it. Worked out well for their bigger brothers.

Slavering all about their cardigans at equalling Hibernians facilities. Well done I guess.

[3pm]

Reading kickback couple days ago and they were giving it billy big baws how it will be two tier and far better than ours. After the EEN article looks like it will be one tier and very cheap 😂

Two 'tiers' in your emoji. That's the closest they will get.

[Mark79]

Amazing what you can afford to do once you shafts loads of folk out of cash going bust.

[chrisski33]

Stadium will look like a toilet.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Reading kickback couple days ago and they were giving it billy big baws how it will be two tier and far better than ours. After the EEN article looks like it will be one tier and very cheap [emoji23]

So, that will leave them with one two tiered stand and three single tired stands?

Whereas we have....!

Unbelievable what the conceive to be point scoring.

[Thecat23]

So, that will leave them with one two tiered stand and three single tired stands?

Whereas we have....!

Unbelievable what the conceive to be point scoring.

No all the stands they have will be the same just single.

[jdships]

Have I missed something but how is this to be paid for ?
Alternatively who is going to pay for it
Is it a mortgage/loan/ cake selling exercise ?
:confused:

[adhibs]

Theyll probably claim its a two tier stand in the style that the one we get behind the goals is

[Billy Whizz]

Theyll probably claim its a two tier stand in the style that the one we get behind the goals is

They charge different prices for upper and lower, so it is a 2 tier stand😄

[Danderhall Hibs]

Have I missed something but how is this to be paid for ?
Alternatively who is going to pay for it
Is it a mortgage/loan/ cake selling exercise ?
:confused:

Handouts from the FOH isn't it? Just delays the handover of ownership of the club.

[Thecat23]

Theyll probably claim its a two tier stand in the style that the one we get behind the goals is

it is isn't it? If someone was to say what kind of stands do you have I'd say, Three of the stands have two Tiers and the East is a single Tier stand.

[givescotlandfreedom]

Haha kickback is gold. Some **** stick suggesting using season ticket money in advance to pay for it. Worked out well for their bigger brothers.

Slavering all about their cardigans at equalling Hibernians facilities. Well done I guess.

And they still won't own 'their' training facilities.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Theyll probably claim its a two tier stand in the style that the one we get behind the goals is

It'll never be as impressive as Dens Park .... even as far back as 1986 their stands had thousands of tears :cb

[AinsterHibs]

It'll never be as impressive as Dens Park .... even as far back as 1986 their stands had thousands of tears :cb

:top marks

[portohibee]

Whilst I agree they should have been punished it would be legally imposable to pay selected debts and not others. Still, shame on them as they will forever be tarnished.

Yep forever tarnished, but this time of year when money is tight, people on the Rock and roll because of the financial mismanagement at Tyne, it reeks, my mate was due a few grand from them and to this date has never seen a penny, how can they swan about giving it this and that after what and who they have ****ed over, it's just morally wrong, but we all know where the morals are when it comes to them,


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[stoneyburn hibs]

9 pages and nobody has said **** the Hertz.

[Bostonhibby]

9 pages and nobody has said **** the Hertz.
Or poppy thieves

[Aldo]

I can't see this costing anything less than 6 to 8 million, with the purchase of the land and facilities etc. no wait it's the Cooncil we are talking about here so the land will cost nowt.

[weecounty hibby]

I can't see this costing anything less than 6 to 8 million, with the purchase of the land and facilities etc. no wait it's the Cooncil we are talking about here so the land will cost nowt.

I don't live in Edinburgh but do people really believe that this will happen? Council massively in debt, shedding workers, cutting services, trams extension etc etc will give land away for nowt. Even more the the thought that they will give money to the thieving tramps seems even more unbelievable. It would be politically and financially mental and probably the wrong side of legal. And yes I know that has never stopped either of them in the past!!!

[broondog]

We aren't that bothered I'm afraid.




Nice try :aok:


what you on about? I wouldn't say I am too bothered about the new stand in itself. what bothers me is the way they have persistently cheated with little punishment dished out and the way they conduct themselves about the whole thing. The stand is just another thing that they have undeservedly obtained after the whole admin debacle that should have seen them deservedly go out of business.

[brog]

Gordon Waddell in SM today has a major spread gushing about the yams & their decision to stay at PBS. I have no problem with this, I think we would be applauding what Budge is doing if it was happening for us. However I missed his laudatory piece about us when we decided to do the same things all these years ago while at the same time Yams were buying tarnished trophies through avoiding/evading tax. Tarnished trophies has a nice ring to it! :wink:

[Bostonhibby]

I don't live in Edinburgh but do people really believe that this will happen? Council massively in debt, shedding workers, cutting services, trams extension etc etc will give land away for nowt. Even more the the thought that they will give money to the thieving tramps seems even more unbelievable. It would be politically and financially mental and probably the wrong side of legal. And yes I know that has never stopped either of them in the past!!!
Me neither but I am from the city and I have many friends there. Most were surprised at how long the council failed to pursue the yams council tax debt and how they were apparently given free use of council land for a car park.

A bit of scrutiny of their latest big dream is healthy as someone has to pay and history confirms that it's not usually themselves-take a look at their creditors list last time around

[greenginger]

I can't see this costing anything less than 6 to 8 million, with the purchase of the land and facilities etc. no wait it's the Cooncil we are talking about here so the land will cost nowt.


Back in 2008 there was a report prepared by Council officials on the whole Vlad mega-stand project.

The agreement then was Hearts would purchase the land where there shop/offices are and the land occupied by Tynecastle nursery school for £ 2.1 million.

They would also provide temporary nursery accommodation whilst new premises were provided on a site further down Mcleod Street (since sold off )

The idea of Hearts providing space for a nursery under the stand has all sorts of conflicts. Where will the nursery be located until the works are complete?

Who will own the space for the nursery
who fits it out and maintains it
will our council be responsible for a % of the upkeep of the whole stand
what % of the Business Rates bill will the Council cover.
what happens if a fixture clashes with some evening use of the nursery facilities.


And, when are the staff and parents of the nursery going to be told.

[Jim44]

I don't live in Edinburgh but do people really believe that this will happen? Council massively in debt, shedding workers, cutting services, trams extension etc etc will give land away for nowt. Even more the the thought that they will give money to the thieving tramps seems even more unbelievable. It would be politically and financially mental and probably the wrong side of legal. And yes I know that has never stopped either of them in the past!!!

Yes, I think they will get a new stadium and yes I think it will be supported and subsidised by the council, despite any financial restraints they may have at the moment. They will argue that, in the long run, the community and social benefits of an improved Jambo stadium will outweigh any financial implications.

[silverhibee]

Spot on, I'm no fan of Petrie but I'm sure he got a good deal back then and knew we had to build a new stand.

Murray was doing a Buy one get one free on the girders. :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

When they build a cheap, shabby looking stand to go with the other three, can people in the Wheatfield and Gorgie stands be given Roseberry pink sunglasses with an image of Vlad's 12,000 three tier job -complete with hotel and retail centre- so they can carry on deluding themselves?

Seems unfair otherwise.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Gordon Waddell in SM today has a major spread gushing about the yams & their decision to stay at PBS. I have no problem with this, I think we would be applauding what Budge is doing if it was happening for us. However I missed his laudatory piece about us when we decided to do the same things all these years ago while at the same time Yams were buying tarnished trophies through avoiding/evading tax. Tarnished trophies has a nice ring to it! :wink:

For some reason, which is beyond me, the MSM have never been slow to jump on the Hertz bandwagon. The rush to promote the 'poor Jambos' agenda was and is in stark contrast to the lack of coverage of their dirty dealings before and after the jobby hitting the Tynecastle fan.

As recently as the mid 90s Easter Road was a tip, 15 years later it was ( and is ) the third best stadium in Scotland and will continue to be so, even after the Gorgie Poundland stand is completed. I cant remember the press giving us any more than a passing nod for that.

As for the council. Their decision to bump STF's socially sensitive plan for the Lochend Butterfly in favour of what is nothing more than a slightly up market high rise scheme, without even lip service paid to benefiting the local community, speaks volumes about their attitude to us. There is no doubt in my mind that the words 'Hibs new east stand' in the planning application lost STF that bid.

Some **** on Keekback summed it up for me: "I'll never forgive they Hibs bstrds for wanting us to go under" He obviously forgot his clubs direct and deliberate attempt to destroy Hibs in the 80s.

That's the thing about Hertz mind. It's never them doing the dirty dealings, "it was Mercer". Its never them cheating, "it was Romanov"

They could build their new stand out of gold and ivory with the hanging gardens of Babylon on the roof .... Tynecastle will still be a ****hole.

[silverhibee]

Have I missed something but how is this to be paid for ?
Alternatively who is going to pay for it
Is it a mortgage/loan/ cake selling exercise ?
:confused:

Fans according to Queen B.

[brog]

[QUOTE=NAE NOOKIE;4518117]For some reason, which is beyond me, the MSM have never been slow to jump on the Hertz bandwagon. The rush to promote the 'poor Jambos' agenda was and is in stark contrast to the lack of coverage of their dirty dealings before and after the jobby hitting the Tynecastle fan.

As recently as the mid 90s Easter Road was a tip, 15 years later it was ( and is ) the third best stadium in Scotland and will continue to be so, even after the Gorgie Poundland stand is completed. I cant remember the press giving us any more than a passing nod for that.

As for the council. Their decision to bump STF's socially sensitive plan for the Lochend Butterfly in favour of what is nothing more than a slightly up market high rise scheme, without even lip service paid to benefiting the local community, speaks volumes about their attitude to us. There is no doubt in my mind that the words 'Hibs new east stand' in the planning application lost STF that bid.

Some **** on Keekback summed it up for me: "I'll never forgive they Hibs bstrds for wanting us to go under" He obviously forgot his clubs direct and deliberate attempt to destroy Hibs in the 80s.

That's the thing about Hertz mind. It's never them doing the dirty dealings, "it was Mercer". Its never them cheating, "it was Romanov"

They could build their new stand out of gold and ivory with the hanging gardens of Babylon on the roof .... Tynecastle will still be a ****hole.[/

QUOTE]:top marks

[silverhibee]

I don't live in Edinburgh but do people really believe that this will happen? Council massively in debt, shedding workers, cutting services, trams extension etc etc will give land away for nowt. Even more the the thought that they will give money to the thieving tramps seems even more unbelievable. It would be politically and financially mental and probably the wrong side of legal. And yes I know that has never stopped either of them in the past!!!

Council will bend over backwards to help them, the brown envelopes will make sure of that. :cb

[silverhibee]

Me neither but I am from the city and I have many friends there. Most were surprised at how long the council failed to pursue the yams council tax debt and how they were apparently given free use of council land for a car park.

A bit of scrutiny of their latest big dream is healthy as someone has to pay and history confirms that it's not usually themselves-take a look at their creditors list last time around

Yip, I miss my monthly payment of council tax and i get a letter from debt collectors Scott & co saying if you have paid your CT in the last 7 days then ignore this letter, if not contact us straight away to make payment, ignore it for 2 months and the letters are pouring through the letterbox and constant phone calls from them, then you get the visits and threats from Scott & co about repossessing your stuff, how long did the tramps get away with not paying there CT and why haven't they still paid the debt, it's still the same club so Scott & co should still be pursuing payment on behalf of Edinburgh Council.

Oh right, big club, Wee Eck would have got it sorted. :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

Are folk really concerned or interested by this?

Hearts have 3 pretty crap 'new' stands that are about all they could build in the space they have. The nature of the ground means that these stands are tight to the pitch and are conductive to a decent atmosphere for a big game. With a new stand they will have 4 pretty crap stands with all the rest still applying. Their fans seems to think they play in an iconic stadium that rivals the Westfalenstadion in it's ability to generate an atmosphere or intimidate opponents, like with most things they have ideas way above their station. They have, and will continue to have, a bang average stadium suitable for a Scottish team of their standing.

As for the financing etc. That's their issue and I couldn't care less. Mumping and moaning about them doing this so soon after admin is just a waste of time, they are under new ownership and aren't doing anything other businesses who have entered administration and found a buyer willing to take them on haven't done.

[silverhibee]

Back in 2008 there was a report prepared by Council officials on the whole Vlad mega-stand project.

The agreement then was Hearts would purchase the land where there shop/offices are and the land occupied by Tynecastle nursery school for £ 2.1 million.

They would also provide temporary nursery accommodation whilst new premises were provided on a site further down Mcleod Street (since sold off )

The idea of Hearts providing space for a nursery under the stand has all sorts of conflicts. Where will the nursery be located until the works are complete?

Who will own the space for the nursery
who fits it out and maintains it
will our council be responsible for a % of the upkeep of the whole stand
what % of the Business Rates bill will the Council cover.
what happens if a fixture clashes with some evening use of the nursery facilities.


And, when are the staff and parents of the nursery going to be told.


A nursery at the Peado Dome. :faf:

[Kato]

As for the financing etc. That's their issue and I couldn't care less. Mumping and moaning about them doing this so soon after admin is just a waste of time, they are under new ownership and aren't doing anything other businesses who have entered administration and found a buyer willing to take them on haven't done.


I couldn't care less either - unless I end up putting money towards it via council tax.



Back in 2008 there was a report prepared by Council officials on the whole Vlad mega-stand project.

The agreement then was Hearts would purchase the land where there shop/offices are and the land occupied by Tynecastle nursery school for £ 2.1 million.

They would also provide temporary nursery accommodation whilst new premises were provided on a site further down Mcleod Street (since sold off )

The idea of Hearts providing space for a nursery under the stand has all sorts of conflicts. Where will the nursery be located until the works are complete?

Who will own the space for the nursery
who fits it out and maintains it
will our council be responsible for a % of the upkeep of the whole stand
what % of the Business Rates bill will the Council cover.
what happens if a fixture clashes with some evening use of the nursery facilities.


And, when are the staff and parents of the nursery going to be told.


The nursery aspect is the "in" for financial shenanigans between the gunts and the council. There will emerge some kind of labyrinthine deal struck that makes sure council money goes toward building their latest version of a *****hole.

I'll say it again - never underestimate how snide the gunts are or how sneaky EC can be when dealing with them.

[greenginger]

I couldn't care less either - unless I end up putting money towards it via council tax.





The nursery aspect is the "in" for financial shenanigans between the gunts and the council. There will emerge some kind of labyrinthine deal struck that makes sure council money goes toward building their latest version of a *****hole.

I'll say it again - never underestimate how snide the gunts are or how sneaky EC can be when dealing with them.


If they get subsidized by the Council that would be reason to get any EUFA license withheld.

Mind you , I bet they are not paying a commercial rate for Riccarton facilities so they should be looking at a suspension from Europe anyway.

[jgl07]

If they get subsidized by the Council that would be reason to get any EUFA license withheld.

Mind you , I bet they are not paying a commercial rate for Riccarton facilities so they should be looking at a suspension from Europe anyway.
What has Riccarton got to do with the Council?

[jabis]

I don't live in Edinburgh but do people really believe that this will happen? Council massively in debt, shedding workers, cutting services, trams extension etc etc will give land away for nowt. Even more the the thought that they will give money to the thieving tramps seems even more unbelievable. It would be politically and financially mental and probably the wrong side of legal. And yes I know that has never stopped either of them in the past!!!

cc.anyone but hibs.net

The wee guy has a point,we'll call it a tenner,(we've got to assume budgie's good for that)and tell the (quite frankly"deluded masses")it's an "undisclosed sum".

Keep this under your RR hat.

Yours
The Cooncil(edinburgh lodge)

[greenginger]

What has Riccarton got to do with the Council?


Absolutely nothing !

But Heriot Watt University is a public funded body too, and also comes under the UEFA fair financial play guidelines.

[Billy Whizz]

If they get subsidized by the Council that would be reason to get any EUFA license withheld.

Mind you , I bet they are not paying a commercial rate for Riccarton facilities so they should be looking at a suspension from Europe anyway.

Were they not paying around £150,000 for the facilities pre admin

[Sergey]

Were they not paying around £150,000 for the facilities pre admin

Perfectly worded!

[Moulin Yarns]

Were they not paying around £150,000 for the facilities pre admin

Rearrange the above.

:greengrin

They were not.......

[nonshinyfinish]

Perfectly worded!

:hilarious

[Billy Whizz]

Perfectly worded!

Ha ha, didn't mean that, but right on the button

[Bostonhibby]

Absolutely nothing !

But Heriot Watt University is a public funded body too, and also comes under the UEFA fair financial play guidelines.
And they did the square root of F all to pursue the debt the yam were allowed to accrue over many months.

These are little back handed subsidies for the yam too.

It will continue in one form or another.

[greenginger]

Were they not paying around £150,000 for the facilities pre admin


If that is still the figure it stinks.

Hibs pay £ 121,647.00 per year in business rates for East Mains, and have all the other oncosts on top, never mind paying to build and maintain the place.

[Ozyhibby]

If that is still the figure it stinks.

Hibs pay £ 121,647.00 per year in business rates for East Mains, and have all the other oncosts on top, never mind paying to build and maintain the place.

I think £150,000 was what they owed when they went into admin. I'm sure they pay about £450k pa.


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[jgl07]

This paranoia about the City of Edinburgh Council is worth of conspiracy theory Celtc fans.

There is no evidence that Edinburgh Council has ever attempted to put money into Hearts.

It was the now disbanded Lothian Regional Council that agreed the infamous Piano storage rental deal. This was used by Hearts to con gullible lenders into financing a new stand at Tynecastle but no pianos were ever stored there and no cash was ever paid.

It gets very tedious every time to hear that the council will bale out Hearts from the usual ignorant sources. The council haven't go two beans to rub together and have a half completed tram line to finish.

Hearts will have to whistle for any cash from the City for this new stand.

Aberdeen gave had plans for a new stadium on the cards for ten years or more and nothing has happened. This is for the same reason as Aberdeen Council is also skint.

[Bostonhibby]

This paranoia about the City of Edinburgh Council is worth of conspiracy theory Celtc fans.

There is no evidence that Edinburgh Council has ever attempted to put money into Hearts.

It was the now disbanded Lothian Regional Council that agreed the infamous Piano storage rental deal. This was used by Hearts to con gullible lenders into financing a new stand at Tynecastle but no pianos were ever stored there and no cash was ever paid.

It gets very tedious every time to hear that the council will bale out Hearts from the usual ignorant sources. The council haven't go two beans to rub together and have a half completed tram line to finish.

Hearts will have to whistle for any cash from the City for this new stand.

Aberdeen gave had plans for a new stadium on the cards for ten years or more and nothing has happened. This is for the same reason as Aberdeen Council is also skint.
You won't hear me saying they give them any money directly as it's more subtle than that; fact nevertheless though. Non paid and non pursuit of council tax being a case in point.

[Fife-Hibee]

For some reason, which is beyond me, the MSM have never been slow to jump on the Hertz bandwagon. The rush to promote the 'poor Jambos' agenda was and is in stark contrast to the lack of coverage of their dirty dealings before and after the jobby hitting the Tynecastle fan.

As recently as the mid 90s Easter Road was a tip, 15 years later it was ( and is ) the third best stadium in Scotland and will continue to be so, even after the Gorgie Poundland stand is completed. I cant remember the press giving us any more than a passing nod for that.

As for the council. Their decision to bump STF's socially sensitive plan for the Lochend Butterfly in favour of what is nothing more than a slightly up market high rise scheme, without even lip service paid to benefiting the local community, speaks volumes about their attitude to us. There is no doubt in my mind that the words 'Hibs new east stand' in the planning application lost STF that bid.

Some **** on Keekback summed it up for me: "I'll never forgive they Hibs bstrds for wanting us to go under" He obviously forgot his clubs direct and deliberate attempt to destroy Hibs in the 80s.

That's the thing about Hertz mind. It's never them doing the dirty dealings, "it was Mercer". Its never them cheating, "it was Romanov"

They could build their new stand out of gold and ivory with the hanging gardens of Babylon on the roof .... Tynecastle will still be a ****hole.
10/10

[Geo_1875]

You won't hear me saying they give them any money directly as it's more subtle than that; fact nevertheless though. Non paid and non pursuit of council tax being a case in point.

And the safety certificate for their main stand. How the **** do they get one?

[greenginger]

I think £150,000 was what they owed when they went into admin. I'm sure they pay about £450k pa.


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Checked with BDO statements at the end of administration.

19/6/2013 - 11/6/2014 Hire of training facilities £ 278,393.00

Assuming the bulk of this is to Heriot-Watt its almost realistic.

[Sergey]

Checked with BDO statements at the end of administration.

19/6/2013 - 11/6/2014 Hire of training facilities £ 278,393.00

Assuming the bulk of this is to Heriot-Watt its almost realistic.

IIRC - they have Riccarton on a long-term lease up until 2025 (or thereabouts). They knocked them for £146k when they went into admin and BDO renegotiated the annual terms (which weren't made public) which were then rumoured to be circa £375k.

[greenginger]

This paranoia about the City of Edinburgh Council is worth of conspiracy theory Celtc fans.

There is no evidence that Edinburgh Council has ever attempted to put money into Hearts.

It was the now disbanded Lothian Regional Council that agreed the infamous Piano storage rental deal. This was used by Hearts to con gullible lenders into financing a new stand at Tynecastle but no pianos were ever stored there and no cash was ever paid.

It gets very tedious every time to hear that the council will bale out Hearts from the usual ignorant sources. The council haven't go two beans to rub together and have a half completed tram line to finish.

Hearts will have to whistle for any cash from the City for this new stand.

Aberdeen gave had plans for a new stadium on the cards for ten years or more and nothing has happened. This is for the same reason as Aberdeen Council is also skint.



Ignorant sources ?

BDO reported HOMFC arrears of £ 93,346.00 due to our Council for business rates and council tax. That's almost a year behind in payments went unchallenged before administration eventually caught up with them. Or is BDO ignorant ?

Then there was the policy proposal in the independent report to the Council that stated that the Council should assist in the construction in a new stadium for HOMFC.

This " independent report " jointly commissioned by Hearts and the Council was prepared by a shareholder of HOMFC.

They need watching !

[greenginger]

IIRC - they have Riccarton on a long-term lease up until 2025 (or thereabouts). They knocked them for £146k when they went into admin and BDO renegotiated the annual terms (which weren't made public) which were then rumoured to be circa £375k.

The total due under conditions of the long term lease were written off in the CVA agreement.

The CVA states the amount due to Heriot-Watt as £ 5,125,528.00, which I presume to be the balance of the original lease.

[Big_Franck]

You won't hear me saying they give them any money directly as it's more subtle than that; fact nevertheless though. Non paid and non pursuit of council tax being a case in point.

Very true. Also, in 2012 a skint CEC paid for half of Hearts' study into their plans for a new stadium. The report here (http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/34488/item_11_tynecastle_stadium) states that CEC paid Hearts £15k (section 3.10) for the study and also concluded in the summary at 2.1 that the redevelopment of Tynecastle was not a viable option. No doubt that'll have changed now and Hearts will have no problem getting their new plans through though.

[Bostonhibby]

Ignorant sources ?

BDO reported HOMFC arrears of £ 93,346.00 due to our Council for business rates and council tax. That's almost a year behind in payments went unchallenged before administration eventually caught up with them. Or is BDO ignorant ?

Then there was the policy proposal in the independent report to the Council that stated that the Council should assist in the construction in a new stadium for HOMFC.

This " independent report " jointly commissioned by Hearts and the Council was prepared by a shareholder of HOMFC.

They need watching !
Well put. I was kinda hoping the earlier poster was referring to the yams when the ignorant reference was made- for many of us the yams own disclosures at administration are the source after all[emoji6]

[erin go bragh]

This paranoia about the City of Edinburgh Council is worth of conspiracy theory Celtc fans.

There is no evidence that Edinburgh Council has ever attempted to put money into Hearts.

It was the now disbanded Lothian Regional Council that agreed the infamous Piano storage rental deal. This was used by Hearts to con gullible lenders into financing a new stand at Tynecastle but no pianos were ever stored there and no cash was ever paid.

It gets very tedious every time to hear that the council will bale out Hearts from the usual ignorant sources. The council haven't go two beans to rub together and have a half completed tram line to finish.

Hearts will have to whistle for any cash from the City for this new stand.

Aberdeen gave had plans for a new stadium on the cards for ten years or more and nothing has happened. This is for the same reason as Aberdeen Council is also skint.
Was it not the council that paid 10 or 15 thousand to see if they could part fund a new stadium for them . Yes the report came back a resounding no but still cost to do it . Also when Hibs tried to develop the land that is now flats , we hit a brick wall in the council planners . Meaning we got a lot less having to sell to developers . The council has always had a Hearts bias imo.

GGTTH

[GreenCastle]

I am still trying trying to get my head around how they have managed to use Heriot Watt in previous years without paying...

Are there any accounts available online about these missing payments?

I can't remember seeing any comment in the media from HW about the non payments - surely future staff on campus / students would suffer ?

Even after all of this they will now be allowed to use the new facilities at HW once they open - again can they afford it ? Obviously won't be cheap and I doubt they will be putting any money into the build. What actually do HW get out of it?

I remember when the yams trained at Spartans for free a few years ago - basically offered Spartans a friendly as they couldn't afford the training fees.

Hibs on the other hand were paying full price for their youth/transition academy (until recently) for a full pitch and only using a 1/4 of it every Monday with the youngsters.

[Bostonhibby]

Was it not the council that paid 10 or 15 thousand to see if they could part fund a new stadium for them . Yes the report came back a resounding no but still cost to do it . Also when Hibs tried to develop the land that is now flats , we hit a brick wall in the council planners . Meaning we got a lot less having to sell to developers . The council has always had a Hearts bias imo.

GGTTH

The council did indeed pay for a feasibility study. Thought it unusual at the time since it was effectively a business looking to make a change that requires council approval you'd think the business would produce that as part of its case.

Wonder if it's a service available to every other business in the city that fancies doing a bit of development? It's a good way of taking the risk out of any venture for a private company but not something you'd expect a council to be doing with it's taxpayers money.

[Bostonhibby]

I am still trying trying to get my head around how they have managed to use Heriot Watt in previous years without paying...

Are there any accounts available online about these missing payments?

I can't remember seeing any comment in the media from HW about the non payments - surely future staff on campus / students would suffer ?

Even after all of this they will now be allowed to use the new facilities at HW once they open - again can they afford it ? Obviously won't be cheap and I doubt they will be putting any money into the build. What actually do HW get out of it?

I remember when the yams trained at Spartans for free a few years ago - basically offered Spartans a friendly as they couldn't afford the training fees.

Hibs on the other hand were paying full price for their youth/transition academy (until recently) for a full pitch and only using a 1/4 of it every Monday with the youngsters.

The HWU debt was certainly debated on the main yam admin thread - They were publicly funded too but at the end of the day I think the debt was ignored for a very long time / never pursued - who knows why, easy to not pursue when it's someone elses money (?) it's a common enough theme when debt/payment/the yams and public bodies are concerned, look at their own creditors list.

[southsider]

If your council tax/rates are late more than once in the year then the Council threaten you with monthly payment option being withdrawn and full payment expected or fines and debt recovery proceedings will commence forthwidth. Or just do like the Yams and pay no-one. Budge should be forced to pay EDC and HMRC.

[Kato]

This paranoia about the City of Edinburgh Council is worth of conspiracy theory Celtc fans.

There is no evidence that Edinburgh Council has ever attempted to put money into Hearts.

It was the now disbanded Lothian Regional Council that agreed the infamous Piano storage rental deal. This was used by Hearts to con gullible lenders into financing a new stand at Tynecastle but no pianos were ever stored there and no cash was ever paid.

It gets very tedious every time to hear that the council will bale out Hearts from the usual ignorant sources. The council haven't go two beans to rub together and have a half completed tram line to finish.

Hearts will have to whistle for any cash from the City for this new stand.

Aberdeen gave had plans for a new stadium on the cards for ten years or more and nothing has happened. This is for the same reason as Aberdeen Council is also skint.


Awright Mr Milligan?

[jacomo]

The council did indeed pay for a feasibility study. Thought it unusual at the time since it was effectively a business looking to make a change that requires council approval you'd think the business would produce that as part of its case.

Wonder if it's a service available to every other business in the city that fancies doing a bit of development? It's a good way of taking the risk out of any venture for a private company but not something you'd expect a council to be doing with it's taxpayers money.

Tbf, I think this kind of arrangement is fairly common. Local authorities will give our feasibility grants like this, especially when the subject is a local landmark or listed building.

I don't object to this so much, it's the kind of public-private deals that resulted in West Ham getting the Olympic stadium in London that are open to abuse.

[Dr Jimmy]

they may be flush with new cash, rememberance Sunday wasn't long ago.

Dirty B######s!!

[Famous Fiver]

Let's get things sorted in our own back yard first before sorting out London's problems.

I smell a big, fat rat.

Budgie is not putting a further penny piece in ( Radio Scotland this morning), so that leaves the 400,000 or (say it quietly and discreetly) the local authority.

400,000 cakes at a fiver a throw comes to £2 Mill. They will need at least £10 Mill (est) so help is going to have to appear from somewhere.

Now, what is Rentokil's number? That rat is getting smellier by the minute............

[NAE NOOKIE]

It seems the very big stumbling block of how they are going to fund this new bus shelter is all a bit vague and woolly.

There doesn't appear to be any actual money and so far the idea seems to be to sink a bucket to the very bottom of the Foundation of Suckers well, and / or get some vague and as yet unidentified multi national corporation to buy naming rights, that should attract about 100K :greengrin

Its well worth a look over on sickbag, if they get any more up themselves they will disappear up their own butholes. The arrogance, self congratulation and self delusion is nauseating .... from pointing to the fact that Hearts have described themselves as being one of the top 20 supported clubs in the UK :faf: ...... to their apparent unshakeable belief that their cheapo tin box is one of the worlds iconic stadiums :faf:

If you were a neutral fan moving to Edinburgh swaying on which club to support and you spent a few minutes on their forums, their in your face overblown sense of their own importance and utterly misplaced idea of their clubs place in the football firmament would have you on a bus heading for the east end of town as quick as you could. Can there be a club anywhere in the UK that makes as much noise about itself with so little substance to back it up ....... What a bunch of jobby coloured blowhards they are.

I have no doubt the Yams will build their new stand .... If there is a club anywhere in the UK capable of producing something with money they haven't got its them.

[PatHead]

Would suggest that anyone who lives in Edinburgh drops an email to their Councillor, MSP and MP seeking assurances that no public money will be used to fund the building of the new stand.

Better to raise it now than moan forever afterwards.

[greenginger]

Would suggest that anyone who lives in Edinburgh drops an email to their Councillor, MSP and MP seeking assurances that no public money will be used to fund the building of the new stand.

Better to raise it now than moan forever afterwards.

Also that Hearts will pay the market price for the land they require to buy from the City ( £ 2.1 million was the agreed price in 2007 )

And, what is happening to the Tynecastle nursery school ,cost relocation during building work, cost of new premises etc.

I still think the whole thing is a smokescreen to get a renewal for their safety certificate , pretending things are progressing when its a repeat of the same con-trick they have been using since the turn of the century !

[brog]

Also that Hearts will pay the market price for the land they require to buy from the City ( £ 2.1 million was the agreed price in 2007 )

And, what is happening to the Tynecastle nursery school ,cost relocation during building work, cost of new premises etc.

I still think the whole thing is a smokescreen to get a renewal for their safety certificate , pretending things are progressing when its a repeat of the same con-trick they have been using since the turn of the century !

I think you're spot on as usual GG. Sevco announce they'll pay Ashley his £5m & everyone's happy though nothing actually happens! Yams announce a new stand to be built & everyone's happy though there's very little actual detail re plans, timetables or funding. Geninely I think Budge will get a shock if she thinks F of H or some similar body will fund this. It's one thing to divi up to save your club, it's quite another to dig deep again to build a stand & you can only go to the well so many times.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think you're spot on as usual GG. Sevco announce they'll pay Ashley his £5m & everyone's happy though nothing actually happens! Yams announce a new stand to be built & everyone's happy though there's very little actual detail re plans, timetables or funding. Geninely I think Budge will get a shock if she thinks F of H or some similar body will fund this. It's one thing to divi up to save your club, it's quite another to dig deep again to build a stand & you can only go to the well so many times.

There's also a cash-flow element to this.

Whilst they have raised a lot of cash so far, funding a new stand is a new level. They may be able to raise the cash over a number of years, but the contractor won't wait for that. Who pays for it in the meantime?

[greenginger]

There's also a cash-flow element to this.

Whilst they have raised a lot of cash so far, funding a new stand is a new level. They may be able to raise the cash over a number of years, but the contractor won't wait for that. Who pays for it in the meantime?


Perhaps their players budget could take the hit for a few years.

A completely alien concept to the scarf twirlers .

[NAE NOOKIE]

There's also a cash-flow element to this.

Whilst they have raised a lot of cash so far, funding a new stand is a new level. They may be able to raise the cash over a number of years, but the contractor won't wait for that. Who pays for it in the meantime?

Could be another loan from the bank of Budge at 6% interest repaid through FoH under the time honoured 'never give a sucker an even break' rules of business. With their contributions being used in the day to day running of the club and now every chance they will also have to ante up for the new stand it will be their grandchildren who end up owning the club, if they ever do.

Amongst all the fantasy mock ups of two tier stands with executive boxes being posted on sickbag an apparently ITK poster said he had it on good authority that its gonna' be a single decker with hospitality that doesn't even look over the pitch ...... you could almost hear the whaat, whaaat, whaaaaa !!! music on the following posts as bubbles got burst :lolyam:

It was nice to see my previous post quoted on sickbag ....... as directed by the comments it attracted I'm away to change my pish soaked jeans and pimp my sister :greengrin

[Sergey]

Also that Hearts will pay the market price for the land they require to buy from the City ( £ 2.1 million was the agreed price in 2007 )

And, what is happening to the Tynecastle nursery school ,cost relocation during building work, cost of new premises etc.

I still think the whole thing is a smokescreen to get a renewal for their safety certificate , pretending things are progressing when its a repeat of the same con-trick they have been using since the turn of the century !


I think you're spot on as usual GG. Sevco announce they'll pay Ashley his £5m & everyone's happy though nothing actually happens! Yams announce a new stand to be built & everyone's happy though there's very little actual detail re plans, timetables or funding. Geninely I think Budge will get a shock if she thinks F of H or some similar body will fund this. It's one thing to divi up to save your club, it's quite another to dig deep again to build a stand & you can only go to the well so many times.


There's also a cash-flow element to this.

Whilst they have raised a lot of cash so far, funding a new stand is a new level. They may be able to raise the cash over a number of years, but the contractor won't wait for that. Who pays for it in the meantime?

Budge doesn't have a bottomless pot of dosh and the funding will have to come from somewhere. I can't see her putting circa £15M into Le Jambo from her own <cough> fortune, so the money will have to be borrowed.

As GG rightly points out - it's all wind and pish at the moment and there's a long path to go down before an asbestos tile is removed.

[Kato]

hospitality that doesn't even look over the pitch ......

Given it's Hearts paying extra not to see the game is a good deal.

[Bostonhibby]

Given it's Hearts paying extra not to see the game is a good deal.
With all that money sloshing about maybe they could move the pitch so they can see.

Someone could knock up a box of drawings for the council to pay for and approve. Might even be a yam shareholder who could knock up a convenient plan and cash the council cheque for the hardship of doing so. [emoji6]

[Kato]

With all that money sloshing about maybe they could move the pitch so they can see.

Someone could knock up a box of drawings for the council to pay for and approve. Might even be a yam shareholder who could knock up a convenient plan and cash the council cheque for the hardship of doing so. [emoji6]

Money is no object.

[GreenLake]

This paranoia about the City of Edinburgh Council is worth of conspiracy theory Celtc fans.

There is no evidence that Edinburgh Council has ever attempted to put money into Hearts.

It was the now disbanded Lothian Regional Council that agreed the infamous Piano storage rental deal. This was used by Hearts to con gullible lenders into financing a new stand at Tynecastle but no pianos were ever stored there and no cash was ever paid.

It gets very tedious every time to hear that the council will bale out Hearts from the usual ignorant sources. The council haven't go two beans to rub together and have a half completed tram line to finish.

Hearts will have to whistle for any cash from the City for this new stand.

Aberdeen gave had plans for a new stadium on the cards for ten years or more and nothing has happened. This is for the same reason as Aberdeen Council is also skint.

This reads like a massive fart in a crowded elevator. :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Other peoples Money is no object.

Fixed that for you :wink:

[Kato]

Fixed that for you :wink:

Aye, cheers.


So that was quick. I went past Tynie this morning and looks like they are knocking their main stand down already!!

[Bostonhibby]

Aye, cheers.


So that was quick. I went past Tynie this morning and looks like they are knocking their main stand down already!!
Nae chance, it's a listed (not listing) building. They said so at the administration event which kept some buyers away. The council will surely be all over anyone looking to do a quick refit of what must surely be a world heritage site by now.

[Kato]

Nae chance, it's a listed (not listing) building. They said so at the administration event which kept some buyers away. The council will surely be all over anyone looking to do a quick refit of what must surely be a world heritage site by now.


Well it looks half demolished.

[EdinMike]

Well it looks half demolished.

It's looked that way for a while now..

[lapsedhibee]

So that was quick. I went past Tynie this morning and looks like they are knocking their main stand down already!!:greengrin

[greenginger]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/hearts-fans-bid-give-tynecastle-2472901

I wonder if Marion Williams of the Cockburn Association should be reminded of her pledge. :greengrin


" I will support any application to have the main stand listed to prevent demolition "

[GreenLake]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/hearts-fans-bid-give-tynecastle-2472901

I wonder if Marion Williams of the Cockburn Association should be reminded of her pledge. :greengrin


" I will support any application to have the main stand listed to prevent demolition "

The Cockburn Associations blog (http://www.cockburnassociation.org.uk/blog/) seems to have an admin by the name of Marion Williams. Perhaps we will see an article appear there shortly about the PBS.

[PatHead]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/hearts-fans-bid-give-tynecastle-2472901

I wonder if Marion Williams of the Cockburn Association should be reminded of her pledge. :greengrin


" I will support any application to have the main stand listed to prevent demolition "

How do you make an application to have a building listed? :greengrin

Imagine the increase in cost.

[jgl07]

It all seems to have gone very quite about the new mega stand at the Wongadome,

No plans or indications as to who is going to pay for it have emerged,

This is not apparently an issue for the puddle drinkers on Kickback. There is now a thread about allocations of seats in the new stand and how much they are going to cost.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It all seems to have gone very quite about the new mega stand at the Wongadome,

No plans or indications as to who is going to pay for it have emerged,

This is not apparently an issue for the puddle drinkers on Kickback. There is now a thread about allocations of seats in the new stand and how much they are going to cost.

Classic maroonic behaviour: delusions of grandeur; pie in the sky ideas that are unconfirmed. It will cost a fortune to build a stand with a 400,000 capacity. Massive club.

[O'Rourke3]

It all seems to have gone very quite about the new mega stand at the Wongadome,

No plans or indications as to who is going to pay for it have emerged,

This is not apparently an issue for the puddle drinkers on Kickback. There is now a thread about allocations of seats in the new stand and how much they are going to cost.
On the run up to the cup game I asked a pal who I could easily fall out with where the money for the stand was coming from. Apparently there are 18,000 FOH contributors. They've already got the money as well as funding the team for two years and affording the recent Transfer window "Transfers". A simple why has that not been announced then got a silent but quite red face...... A queue out side the ground and a call to the EEN and they are back in the paper, however the funding (already secured) is a big massive secret.....

[NYHibby]

It all seems to have gone very quite about the new mega stand at the Wongadome,

No plans or indications as to who is going to pay for it have emerged,

This is not apparently an issue for the puddle drinkers on Kickback. There is now a thread about allocations of seats in the new stand and how much they are going to cost.

They are definitely working on it, but it is at a very early stage. Last week I was sitting on a train next to a partner from Cundall engineers who had his laptop positioned weirdly on the table so the screen was more in front of me than him. So I couldn't help but to read all of the emails he was sending.

From what I read, they are only planning on redoing their main stand. It was hard to tell from the emails I saw, but I think they are only at the very beginning of the process. Cundall was talking about how they were going to put together their bid for some of the work.

[FastEddieFelson]

They are definitely working on it, but it is at a very early stage. Last week I was sitting on a train next to a partner from Cundall engineers who had his laptop positioned weirdly on the table so the screen was more in front of me than him. So I couldn't help but to read all of the emails he was sending.

From what I read, they are only planning on redoing their main stand. It was hard to tell from the emails I saw, but I think they are only at the very beginning of the process. Cundall was talking about how they were going to put together their bid for some of the work.

what a source.

[Ozyhibby]

Minimum cost for a 6000 seater is about £6m I think. That should curtail their budget for a few years.


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[MagicSwirlingShip]

Id be very suprised if it ever gets built.

[Springbank]

They are definitely working on it, but it is at a very early stage. Last week I was sitting on a train next to a partner from Cundall engineers who had his laptop positioned weirdly on the table so the screen was more in front of me than him. So I couldn't help but to read all of the emails he was sending.

From what I read, they are only planning on redoing their main stand. It was hard to tell from the emails I saw, but I think they are only at the very beginning of the process. Cundall was talking about how they were going to put together their bid for some of the work.

This is gold

It's like getting a lift to Greggs by the fish van man, then taking the no 26 bus home and finding out the new target signing has a good website.

Loving it!

[Jack Hackett]

Id be very suprised if it ever gets built.

They don't really have any viable options. It will happen sooner or later...it has to for safety's sake...not that they give a toss, but it would be bad publicity. Queen Anne would have a pr nightmare

[jacomo]

They don't really have any viable options. It will happen sooner or later...it has to for safety's sake...not that they give a toss, but it would be bad publicity. Queen Anne would have a pr nightmare

I don't think Budge has any intention of redeveloping Tynecastle. She'd have to raise large amounts of cash or even - shock horror - spend some of her own.

Instead, she announces a 'review' with just enough activity to look credible. Once she's got her money back from FoH, she's off. It will be someone else's problem then.

[Kojock]

Minimum cost for a 6000 seater is about £6m I think. That should curtail their budget for a few years.


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That 6mil is for a basic stand. Factor in the cost for dressing rooms, ticket office, club shop, hospitality suite etc you could easily add another million on.

[Bostonhibby]

I don't think Budge has any intention of redeveloping Tynecastle. She'd have to raise large amounts of cash or even - shock horror - spend some of her own.

Instead, she announces a 'review' with just enough activity to look credible. Once she's got her money back from FoH, she's off. It will be someone else's problem then.



Maybe they are going to fire up the ovens again and bake one? The "review" is a thorough search through the recipe books, a couple of million battenburgs should do it.

A distraction in view of recent bad results, same strategy as Romanov and it worked before.

[Waxy]

The place is far too cramped for a modern football stadium.It'll be the end of them.

[Jack Hackett]

Maybe they are going to fire up the ovens again and bake one? The "review" is a thorough search through the recipe books, a couple of million battenburgs should do it.

A distraction in view of recent bad results, same strategy as Romanov and it worked before.

Like cats with a laser pen....works every time :agree:

[greenginger]

That 6mil is for a basic stand. Factor in the cost for dressing rooms, ticket office, club shop, hospitality suite etc you could easily add another million on.


Plus the cost of buying the extra land they will need from our Council and the Chris Stewart Group.

Providing replacement for Tynecastle nursery.

Add another couple of £ mil.


Still think they might try some PFI type scheme where some mug, sorry developer builds the stand and draws an income from the ticket sales and corporate boxes before the Yams see any money from it.

Very risky for all concerned.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The place is far too cramped for a modern football stadium.It'll be the end of them.

Yup, the pitch is the size of a five-a-side pitch, too!

[Billy Whizz]

Yup, the pitch is the size of a five-a-side pitch, too!

I thought so too, but it isn't

[Www1875hfc]

Did you know, that the asbestos ridden main stand has stood since 1914 ? :worried:

[Bostonhibby]

Did you know, that the asbestos ridden main stand has stood since 1914 ? :worried:

Wow, is it a listed building? or is it listing?

[Jonnyboy]

Did you know, that the asbestos ridden main stand has been falling apart since 1914 ? :worried:

Fixed :aok:

[Hibby70]

So the main stand was built at the start of World War 1 and supplemented by 3 Anderson shelters later on.

Has a certain symmetry to it I suppose.

[jgl07]

Minimum cost for a 6000 seater is about £6m I think. That should curtail their budget for a few years.

As it's their main stand it will require all the dressing rooms, gyms, hospitality facilities, etc.

A basic stand will cost £1,000 per seat. That is in line with your estimate.

Hibs' North Stand cost £4.5 million twenty years ago for 3,800 seats. Hibs West Stand cost around £6.5 million fifteen years ago for 6,000 seats. Hibs did save on the East Stand which was very cheap but there isn't a lot to it. It is rather like the South Stand at Easter Road that cost around £1.5 million at the same time as the North Stand was built.

Also the site at Gorgie is very constrained which will add to the cost with relocation of the nursery and the ticket office. That is all before yu consider the cost of demolishing the existing main stand. As it is probably stuffed with asbestos, the demolition will have to be carried out with operatives wearing breathing apparatus. The waste will be expensive to dispose of with landfill tax and the premium for taking away the hazardous waste.

I would think that with the interior fittings and fixtures, it is liable to cost well in excess of the £6 million you quoted. However they may build in line with the substandard specification of the other three stands, and that might save a bit!

[eastterrace]

As it's their main stand it will require all the dressing rooms, gyms, hospitality facilities, etc. A basic stand will cost £1,000 per seat. That is in line with your estimate. Hibs' North Stand cost £4.5 million twenty years ago for 3,800 seats. Hibs West Stand cost around £6.5 million fifteen years ago for 6,000 seats. Hibs did save on the East Stand which was very cheap but there isn't a lot to it. It is rather like the South Stand at Easter Road that cost around £1.5 million at the same time as the North Stand was built. Also the site at Gorgie is very constrained which will add to the cost with relocation of the nursery and the ticket office. That is all before yu consider the cost of demolishing the existing main stand. As it is probably stuffed with asbestos, the demolition will have to be carried out with operatives wearing breathing apparatus. The waste will be expensive to dispose of with landfill tax and the premium for taking away the hazardous waste. I would think that with the interior fittings and fixtures, it is liable to cost well in excess of the £6 million you quoted. However they may build in line with the substandard specification of the other three stands, and that might save a bit! I suppose they will get around to it sometime as surely they can't keep using that dump of a stand much longer

[LaMotta]

As it's their main stand it will require all the dressing rooms, gyms, hospitality facilities, etc.

A basic stand will cost £1,000 per seat. That is in line with your estimate.

Hibs' North Stand cost £4.5 million twenty years ago for 3,800 seats. Hibs West Stand cost around £6.5 million fifteen years ago for 6,000 seats. Hibs did save on the East Stand which was very cheap but there isn't a lot to it. It is rather like the South Stand at Easter Road that cost around £1.5 million at the same time as the North Stand was built.

Also the site at Gorgie is very constrained which will add to the cost with relocation of the nursery and the ticket office. That is all before yu consider the cost of demolishing the existing main stand. As it is probably stuffed with asbestos, the demolition will have to be carried out with operatives wearing breathing apparatus. The waste will be expensive to dispose of with landfill tax and the premium for taking away the hazardous waste.

I would think that with the interior fittings and fixtures, it is liable to cost well in excess of the £6 million you quoted. However they may build in line with the substandard specification of the other three stands, and that might save a bit!

Why was the South stand so much cheaper than the North?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why was the South stand so much cheaper than the North?

Less/no hospitality suites?

[brianmc]

Why was the South stand so much cheaper than the North?

Because the North has faccilties in it that are missing from the the South-think function suites, behind the goals bar area, executive boxes etc

[LaMotta]

Less/no hospitality suites?

3m quid though?!

[brianmc]

3m quid though?!

*and the comfy chairs in the middle section, don't forget them

[Danderhall Hibs]

3m quid though?!

It does seem a big difference.

[Bostonhibby]

It does seem a big difference.
Yep, yamenomics unless some benefactor is in the background waiting to present their case for why they should pay a share.

[monktonharp]

As it's their main stand it will require all the dressing rooms, gyms, hospitality facilities, etc.

A basic stand will cost £1,000 per seat. That is in line with your estimate.

Hibs' North Stand cost £4.5 million twenty years ago for 3,800 seats. Hibs West Stand cost around £6.5 million fifteen years ago for 6,000 seats. Hibs did save on the East Stand which was very cheap but there isn't a lot to it. It is rather like the South Stand at Easter Road that cost around £1.5 million at the same time as the North Stand was built.

Also the site at Gorgie is very constrained which will add to the cost with relocation of the nursery and the ticket office. That is all before yu consider the cost of demolishing the existing main stand. As it is probably stuffed with asbestos, the demolition will have to be carried out with operatives wearing breathing apparatus. The waste will be expensive to dispose of with landfill tax and the premium for taking away the hazardous waste.

I would think that with the interior fittings and fixtures, it is liable to cost well in excess of the £6 million you quoted. However they may build in line with the substandard specification of the other three stands, and that might save a bit!I'm no expert but you may be absolutely correct if a lot of the furnishing and roofing contains asbestos, especially if Blue asbestos is within any areas.the dismantling process will not just be leveling the building over a couple of days with a Large excavator. More likely ,the method will involve mass screening, bit by bit removal within cordoned off areas and possible road closure etc etc. the workers will need proper shower facilities, samples sent to labs etc.and all the other add ons you mention. nae easy task.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I'm no expert but you may be absolutely correct if a lot of the furnishing and roofing contains asbestos, especially if Blue asbestos is within any areas.the dismantling process will not just be leveling the building over a couple of days with a Large excavator. More likely ,the method will involve mass screening, bit by bit removal within cordoned off areas and possible road closure etc etc. the workers will need proper shower facilities, samples sent to labs etc.and all the other add ons you mention. nae easy task.


if only they had a council that was keen to do it for them(at a cost to the council and the Edinburgh council tax payer of course)... maybe the same guyser that gives them blank safety certificates could help

[Kato]

As it's their main stand it will require all the dressing rooms, gyms, hospitality facilities, etc.



A basic stand will cost £1,000 per seat. That is in line with your estimate.



Hibs' North Stand cost £4.5 million twenty years ago for 3,800 seats. Hibs West Stand cost around £6.5 million fifteen years ago for 6,000 seats. Hibs did save on the East Stand which was very cheap but there isn't a lot to it. It is rather like the South Stand at Easter Road that cost around £1.5 million at the same time as the North Stand was built.



Also the site at Gorgie is very constrained which will add to the cost with relocation of the nursery and the ticket office. That is all before yu consider the cost of demolishing the existing main stand. As it is probably stuffed with asbestos, the demolition will have to be carried out with operatives wearing breathing apparatus. The waste will be expensive to dispose of with landfill tax and the premium for taking away the hazardous waste.



I would think that with the interior fittings and fixtures, it is liable to cost well in excess of the £6 million you quoted. However they may build in line with the substandard specification of the other three stands, and that might save a bit!


Add in the cost of building the hotel.

[Dashing Bob S]

Id be very suprised if it ever gets built.

I can't see see how they have any choice in the matter. The maintenance and repair costs on the old stand must be rising exponentially. They must soon be approaching the moment it becomes pointless trying to tape a piece of tissue together and less effort to buy a new roll.

Somebody is going to get injured there shortly, and the lawsuits will come thick and fast.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I can't see see how they have any choice in the matter. The maintenance and repair costs on the old stand must be rising exponentially. They must soon be approaching the moment it becomes pointless trying to tape a piece of tissue together and less effort to buy a new roll.

Somebody is going to get injured there shortly, and the lawsuits will come thick and fast.

Unless Budge fronts up the cash herself. Which she won't. Unless she rejigs the FOH deal

[jgl07]

3m quid though?!

Those were the figures quoted in the press at the time. I cannot be sure they are accurate.

Part of the explanation may be that the upgrades of the North Stand internal facilities were effectively retrofitted on the personal intervention of Sir Tom Farmer. This occurred after construction had started and this pushed the costs up considerably.

Originally the North was invented to be a shell with a few catering facilities rather like the South.

I have the news cuttings somewhere. I will try to find them.

[Dashing Bob S]

So the main stand was built at the start of World War 1 and supplemented by 3 Anderson shelters later on.

Has a certain symmetry to it I suppose.

I think as Hearts won the first world war, they had to wait for a second in order to build a replacement stand. However they inexplicably missed that window and will now have to wait for world war three till construction takes place in Gorgie.

I believe that there are council committee papers from this era which show this to be the case.

[Hibby70]

I think as Hearts won the first world war, they had to wait for a second in order to build a replacement stand. However they inexplicably missed that window and will now have to wait for world war three till construction takes place in Gorgie.

I believe that there are council committee papers from this era which show this to be the case.

But how will they know there's been a Third World War in Gorgie?

[macca70]

Surely they are going to have to come begging to us to use Easter Road for half a season.

No way they can get that main stand ripped down and new one built between May to August.

Either charge them a fortune in rent or tell them no chance.

[Peevemor]

Surely they are going to have to come begging to us to use Easter Road for half a season.

No way they can get that main stand ripped down and new one built between May to August.

Either charge them a fortune in rent or tell them no chance.

We didn't use Tynie. Remember - portakabins, floodlight fires, etc.

[AndyM_1875]

Surely they are going to have to come begging to us to use Easter Road for half a season.

No way they can get that main stand ripped down and new one built between May to August.

Either charge them a fortune in rent or tell them no chance.

If they come to us then we'll charge them a market value rental. It'll still be way cheaper than what they would be quoted for Murrayfield.

Relations between Ann Budge and Leeann Dempster are pretty cordial so it may happen but would only be a thing for a handful of games as their stand would have to be in place for late September as Hibs would not entertain any sort of long term arrangement.

[Kato]

But how will they know there's been a Third World War in Gorgie?

Just check the Edinburgh Evening News comments section.

[TrinityHibs]

She has been into see the Council estates department with Chris Stewart, the property developer, who bought the office behind the main stand. The council have 2 interests that Budge needs to make it work. For what its worth they think her proposals are credible. The boy who told me has no axe to grind either way as he is a celtc guy.

[green&left]

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Not sure of the provenance, since nothing official has been released yet, but an image of the design for the new main stand for Tynecastle. The incorporation of what must be a replacement for Tynecastle nursery (behind the hedged area) suggests it's genuine. There'll certainly be a nice view from what I'm guessing are corporate boxes and/or press facilities up top. Still no confirmation of capacity, but from those initial reports it must seat around 8000.


From social media a while back. Take with a pinch of salt. Main stand does actually look alright though compared to the rest...

[greenginger]

She has been into see the Council estates department with Chris Stewart, the property developer, who bought the office behind the main stand. The council have 2 interests that Budge needs to make it work. For what its worth they think her proposals are credible. The boy who told me has no axe to grind either way as he is a celtc guy.


As long as they pay the market price for the land and buildings required and replace the Tynecastle Nursery at no cost to the Council Tax payers then we should have no real complaints.

They will still be stuck with a pitch of minimum length and insufficient run-off behind the goals.

[Kato]

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From social media a while back. Take with a pinch of salt. Main stand does actually look alright though compared to the rest...

That does look good, but will cost way more than £6M.

I wonder how much Edinburgh Council will chip in? hey will be sitting in it after all

[macca70]

We didn't use Tynie. Remember - portakabins, floodlight fires, etc.

Did we not use the school or church (not quite sure what it is these days) that's behind the main stand.

Not sure they have much space for portakabins etc.

Also, with the space restrictions, I would expect there stand to take much longer to build.

Also, they will have quite a few season tickets in the main stand that will need re-homed, if they stay there.

[Mikey09]

Oh the yams will come out of this smelling of roses I guarantee it!! Cardownie etc will help as much as they can. However, any financial support would cause bad feeling with a lot of people and other football clubs in Edinburgh.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Are they upgrading the stadium to a she1tehole?

That's nice.

[Craig_in_Prague]

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[Kato]

Oh the yams will come out of this smelling of roses I guarantee it!! Cardownie etc will help as much as they can. However, any financial support would cause bad feeling with a lot of people and other football clubs in Edinburgh.

Hasn't Cardownie stepped down from EC to "spend more time with his family"?

Saying that maybe he's been sent on a mission to entice another money-launderer to "invest" in the gunts.

[Kojock]

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From social media a while back. Take with a pinch of salt. Main stand does actually look alright though compared to the rest...

Looks like the exit from the new stand is connected to the away stand. That should be interesting.

[Peevemor]

Looks like the exit from the new stand is connected to the away stand. That should be interesting.

That's not the biggest problem though. That new stand looks to be about the same size as the others (it's certainly the same height), so even if it holds the same as the Wheatfield (about 6k) - and that's not allowing for executive boxes & seating, players' tunnel etc. that would only bring their capacity up to around 19k - the merricks will be 'shaking with rage' or whatever they do.

[Smartie]

That's not the biggest problem though. That new stand looks to be about the same size as the others (it's certainly the same height), so even if it holds the same as the Wheatfield (about 6k) - and that's not allowing for executive boxes & seating, players' tunnel etc. that would only bring their capacity up to around 19k - the merricks will be 'shaking with rage' or whatever they do.

Is it just us that "seethe"?

[GreenLake]

They are definitely working on it, but it is at a very early stage. Last week I was sitting on a train next to a partner from Cundall engineers who had his laptop positioned weirdly on the table so the screen was more in front of me than him. So I couldn't help but to read all of the emails he was sending.

From what I read, they are only planning on redoing their main stand. It was hard to tell from the emails I saw, but I think they are only at the very beginning of the process. Cundall was talking about how they were going to put together their bid for some of the work.

That's how much they have to pay for it.

[Brightside]

I personally couldn't care less about them and their stand. But they will love the fact that we have 14 pages taking about it! :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

I personally couldn't care less about them and their stand. But they will love the fact that we have 14 pages taking about it! :confused:

They have about ten threads on Hibs on their front page.
This thread is about 4 months old.
I do care what they are up to. Right now we are at a significant financial disadvantage to them because of FoH and their higher crowds. If we want to bridge that gap we need to pay close attention to everything they are up to.


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[Geo_1875]

They have about ten threads on Hibs on their front page.
This thread is about 4 months old.
I do care what they are up to. Right now we are at a significant financial disadvantage to them because of FoH and their higher crowds. If we want to bridge that gap we need to pay close attention to everything they are up to.


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AND we need to keep a beady eye on CEC. They must not spend one penny on the Yams while cutting back on everything else.

[Bostonhibby]

I personally couldn't care less about them and their stand. But they will love the fact that we have 14 pages taking about it! :confused:
Not so sure; suspect the majority of the posts are mocking them[emoji6]

Hope so anyway

[NAE NOOKIE]

I personally couldn't care less about them and their stand. But they will love the fact that we have 14 pages taking about it! :confused:

It is important to us though ..... Its vital that the PBS is maintained and improved upon ensuring it retains its status as Hibs favourite and luckiest semi final venue :greengrin

[dangermouse]

Looks like the exit from the new stand is connected to the away stand. That should be interesting.

Maybe away fans will be housed in the Gorgie Road end again :dunno:

[jgl07]

I have done some digging over stadium costs and found the figures quoted in Building Magazine:

In 2004 the cost model for a regional stadium with back of house facilities, WCs, concession areas and hospitality suggested in the range £1,000 to £1,700 per seat. Those are based on South East England prices and for Scotland it might be 12% lower.

in 2014 an updated cost model gave an example for the rebuilding of a 9,000 capacity main stand and replacing it with a 15,000 capacity stand for a UK stadium. This came in at £69.4 million or £3,694 per seat including professional fees and risk allowances.

The latter includes for facilitating works including removal of hazardous toxic and contaminated material. It does include for work to existing buildings and external works.

The latter is obviously beyond the scope of what Hearts are currently proposing (but in line with what Vlad wanted to do).

I would guess that £2,000 per seat is at the bottom end of the scale.

[Seveno]

Those were the figures quoted in the press at the time. I cannot be sure they are accurate.

Part of the explanation may be that the upgrades of the North Stand internal facilities were effectively retrofitted on the personal intervention of Sir Tom Farmer. This occurred after construction had started and this pushed the costs up considerably.

Originally the North was invented to be a shell with a few catering facilities rather like the South.

I have the news cuttings somewhere. I will try to find them.

That is exactly what happened.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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From social media a while back. Take with a pinch of salt. Main stand does actually look alright though compared to the rest...


Done by a regular on Hunchback who got rather carried away, I presume? It would never look like that.

[KeithTheHibby]

I have done some digging over stadium costs and found the figures quoted in Building Magazine:

In 2004 the cost model for a regional stadium with back of house facilities, WCs, concession areas and hospitality suggested in the range £1,000 to £1,700 per seat. Those are based on South East England prices and for Scotland it might be 12% lower.

in 2014 an updated cost model gave an example for the rebuilding of a 9,000 capacity main stand and replacing it with a 15,000 capacity stand for a UK stadium. This came in at £69.4 million or £3,694 per seat including professional fees and risk allowances.

The latter includes for facilitating works including removal of hazardous toxic and contaminated material. It does include for work to existing buildings and external works.

The latter is obviously beyond the scope of what Hearts are currently proposing (but in line with what Vlad wanted to do).

I would guess that £2,000 per seat is at the bottom end of the scale.

8k capacity then at 2k a pop? Just a cool 16m to find. Back to the drawing board then.

I still think they are more likely to move from Gorgie. Those other 3 stands are honking and will need replaced at some point. Why wouldn't they explore the option of selling up, thus getting a good price for some prime land near the centre of town and moving out of town? Seems the most viable and the one I would piss my pants at.

[Danderhall Hibs]

8k capacity then at 2k a pop? Just a cool 16m to find. Back to the drawing board then.

I still think they are more likely to move from Gorgie. Those other 3 stands are honking and will need replaced at some point. Why wouldn't they explore the option of selling up, thus getting a good price for some prime land near the centre of town and moving out of town? Seems the most viable and the one I would piss my pants at.

Would piss myself as well.

The alternative is an 800 capacity main stand = £1.6m

[Hibernia&Alba]

8k capacity then at 2k a pop? Just a cool 16m to find. Back to the drawing board then.

I still think they are more likely to move from Gorgie. Those other 3 stands are honking and will need replaced at some point. Why wouldn't they explore the option of selling up, thus getting a good price for some prime land near the centre of town and moving out of town? Seems the most viable and the one I would piss my pants at.

Heart of Midlothian shunted out into the sticks somewhere in East Lothian, perhaps. PLEASING :agree:

[Diclonius]

Looks like the exit from the new stand is connected to the away stand. That should be interesting.

Then away fans will go in Gorgie Road. Good, means they'll be shafted and have to go the long way back to the City Centre after derbies, and we'll get away quickly. As it should be I might add, given that they get out easily at ER.

[Jack Hackett]

8k capacity then at 2k a pop? Just a cool 16m to find. Back to the drawing board then.

I still think they are more likely to move from Gorgie. Those other 3 stands are honking and will need replaced at some point. Why wouldn't they explore the option of selling up, thus getting a good price for some prime land near the centre of town and moving out of town? Seems the most viable and the one I would piss my pants at.

They did...and then hounded out the proposer of said option before going for plan B...World Domination with 'Mr' Romanov

[Geo_1875]

Done by a regular on Hunchback who got rather carried away, I presume? It would never look like that.

It looks like another bus shelter with a greenhouse stuck on the back.

[jacomo]

Heart of Midlothian shunted out into the sticks somewhere in East Lothian, perhaps. PLEASING :agree:

West Lothian I think. East Lothian is ours.

I think the Pie Man was right all those years ago - Tynecastle is not fit for purpose and Hearts know it. But Budge doesn't want that decision to be associated with her, so she's delaying it as long as possible.

[cabbageandribs1875]

[QUOTE=jacomoseven;4597136]West Lothian I think. East Lothian is ours.




eh naw, if Mars is a non-goer east lothian sounds like a nice alternative


:)

[jgl07]

They have about ten threads on Hibs on their front page.
This thread is about 4 months old.
They have a three page thread with 132 replies on the attendance of Hibs v Alloa!

[southsider]

West Lothian I think. East Lothian is ours.

I think the Pie Man was right all those years ago - Tynecastle is not fit for purpose and Hearts know it. But Budge doesn't want that decision to be associated with her, so she's delaying it as long as possible.

Murrayfield on the cards again ? With their style of play nothing would suit them more.

[Diclonius]

They have a three page thread with 132 replies on the attendance of Hibs v Alloa!

Well, I figure you have to get annoyed about something when you've just been knocked out the Scottish Cup.

By a lower division team.

Who are also your rivals.

After being 2-0 up with ten minutes to go in the first tie.

Never mind, guys.

[Dashing Bob S]

If Budge has any sense she'll leave this problem to Los Yambolinos bambolinos to deal with when she (finally, and at great profit) unloads the club off into their sweaty, fan-owned, guntish palms.

Their current business model is a frugal one and would be decimated by the debt paying for a new stand would incur.

I think it's more likely Budge has been summoned to Edin Council, not because she's been offered assistance, but to be bluntly told: get your act together, we can't issuing certificates for this death trap. They must now be ****ting themselves that there's (at least) a minor disaster in the waiting.

I think the question is: what sort of grisly incident will it take to force their hand? Every season they do nothing the issue becomes for pressing.

People flag up the red herring of it being a listed Leitch stand, but it's one in name only; a shabby, low cost affair that in now way can be compared to Ibrox or Villa Park. Their isn't enough of it left to form the core of any restoration, which would, in any case, probably be more expensive that building a new stand.

The 14 pages here are not about the stand or stadium gloating. They are about the underlying sense that this issue is the one that is *ucking them.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

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From social media a while back. Take with a pinch of salt. Main stand does actually look alright though compared to the rest...

Yeah, but the rest seem to look alright compared with reality!

[greenginger]

Both Hibs and Hearts were given notice that their stands had to be replaced and that their safety certificates would not be renewed.

Hibs got their act together , Hearts have been ducking and diving for 15 years.

What might have brought the issue to a head was the flares that were set off in the tinder box at an Ladies international at Tynie at the beginning of the season. I think the consequences of idiotic behavior were recognised and the Bradford fire anniversary just hammered it home.

If they try and kick into the long grass again, the stand capacity should be cut for next season.

[Waxy]

Cant they just paint the main stand they have now with some top quality paint?

[Keith_M]

IIRC, the Main Stand at ER cost around £7m to build and that was now 16 years ago.

I can't see them building anything of a similar size* for less than £10M,





* Which would kill some of them, as their stadium would still be smaller than the Wee Team's

[jgl07]

West Lothian I think. East Lothian is ours.

I think the Pie Man was right all those years ago - Tynecastle is not fit for purpose and Hearts know it. But Budge doesn't want that decision to be associated with her, so she's delaying it as long as possible.
I agree that the Pieman was spot on with his analysis. It was partially Wallace Mercer's fault in starting the redevelopment in the way that he did. It has everything against it. The pitch is too short, it lacks the required run off zones. It is too hemmed in to develop properly. It is in a blast zone.

The obvious solution is to build on greenfield land somewhere to the west of Edinburgh. However Budge is probably terrified of the fan reaction if Tynecastle is sold. Maybe this 'new stand' stuff is to string them along and maybe kick it into the long grass. The fans seem to be expecting 8,000 seats or more but no-one has explained where the £16 million is going to come from.

Hearts are now in the real world financially the days of Mercer, Robinson and Romanov are long gone. Is Budge going to hand over that sort of sum? Or are the FoH going to be asked to stump up?

[Pete]

The heart and soul of David Murrays garden district.

[zitelli62]

you can laugh all you want but me and my pals were at Blackpool last week and we won 62 tokens at the prize bingo really wanted 70 but had to come home anyway we all got as much meccano as we could to start the new stand and we are now hoping for some cake sales so we can buy as much as we need and also thinking of registering us as a charity and that way if we take the money were only stealing from ourselfs so yes this is going ahead and will be far superior to anything youse have got so you can all stop laughing now.

[emerald green]

AND we need to keep a beady eye on CEC. They must not spend one penny on the Yams while cutting back on everything else.

:agree: Spot on.

[Weststandwanab]

Both Hibs and Hearts were given notice that their stands had to be replaced and that their safety certificates would not be renewed.

Hibs got their act together , Hearts have been ducking and diving for 15 years.

What might have brought the issue to a head was the flares that were set off in the tinder box at an Ladies international at Tynie at the beginning of the season. I think the consequences of idiotic behavior were recognised and the Bradford fire anniversary just hammered it home.

If they try and kick into the long grass again, the stand capacity should be cut for next season.

If The Sacmbos were issued with a warning 15 years ago it must have been a heck of "warning".

[1875STEVE]

What I want to know is, where about in the new stand will these sorts of facilities be?? :greengrin

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[EastCalderHibby]

West Lothian I think. East Lothian is ours.

I think the Pie Man was right all those years ago - Tynecastle is not fit for purpose and Hearts know it. But Budge doesn't want that decision to be associated with her, so she's delaying it as long as possible.

NO THANKS WEST LOTHIAN IS JUST FINE THE WAY IT IS DONT WANT THE SEWER DWELLERS OUT HERE :greengrin

[Diclonius]

West Lothian I think. East Lothian is ours.

I think the Pie Man was right all those years ago - Tynecastle is not fit for purpose and Hearts know it. But Budge doesn't want that decision to be associated with her, so she's delaying it as long as possible.

In all seriousness, is West Lothian broadly Hearts/East Lothian more Hibs? Never grown up in Edinburgh so not sure how the geographical split works.

[Bostonhibby]

What I want to know is, where about in the new stand will these sorts of facilities be?? :greengrin

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John Robertson Lounge annexe?

[monktonharp]

this thread will remain, as far as I see for as long as their new stand is built. a few have mentioned that we need to keep an eye on what the council do, especially if they even attempt to help them. I totally agree and I am sure most HFC fans would be enraged. Also, and this is only my own opinion, If our club were to assist in any way, by any means, I would be more than enraged and would find it hard to ever be back . they deserve even less than f/ck all from us.

[CentreLine]

Was talking to a gullible supporter the other day who was convinced hearts plan to increase their capacity is to have a "safe" standing section. I did suggest that safe was a new concept for his club.

[Geo_1875]

this thread will remain, as far as I see for as long as their new stand is built. a few have mentioned that we need to keep an eye on what the council do, especially if they even attempt to help them. I totally agree and I am sure most HFC fans would be enraged. Also, and this is only my own opinion, If our club were to assist in any way, by any means, I would be more than enraged and would find it hard to ever be back . they deserve even less than f/ck all from us.

I wouldn't mind Hibs allowing them use of any facilities on a commercial basis.

[monktonharp]

I wouldn't mind Hibs allowing them use of any facilities on a commercial basis.So, you would be happy to take the Queen's (budgies) shilling? . there is money and there are principles. I know which I prefer and when it comes to money ,I know what the gorgie mob got away with, some of it being mine and possibly yours when it comes to council bills and tax for starters.

[monarch]

So, you would be happy to take the Queen's (budgies) shilling? . there is money and there are principles. I know which I prefer and when it comes to money ,I know what the gorgie mob got away with, some of it being mine and possibly yours when it comes to council bills and tax for starters.

Ann Budge was no part of the organisation which stuffed HMRC, Edinburgh City Council or any of the other 200 odd creditors so let's stick to facts. On that basis I can't see any problem in charging a market rent for Hearts to use our stadium for a limited period. In fact it would be commercially inept not to do so. We're not exactly knee deep in funds and I quite like the idea of Hearts contributing to the economic well being and development of our team.

[greenginger]

Ann Budge was no part of the organisation which stuffed HMRC, Edinburgh City Council or any of the other 200 odd creditors so let's stick to facts. On that basis I can't see any problem in charging a market rent for Hearts to use our stadium for a limited period. In fact it would be commercially inept not to do so. We're not exactly knee deep in funds and I quite like the idea of Hearts contributing to the economic well being and development of our team.


Ann Budge may be the new owner, but its the same dug with the same fleas.

As for them getting to use Easter Road, I'd want them to beg a bit first ! :greengrin

[Geo_1875]

Ann Budge may be the new owner, but its the same dug with the same fleas.

As for them getting to use Easter Road, I'd want them to beg a bit first ! :greengrin

And cash up front

[Kato]

Ann Budge was no part of the organisation which stuffed HMRC, Edinburgh City Council or any of the other 200 odd creditors so let's stick to facts. On that basis I can't see any problem in charging a market rent for Hearts to use our stadium for a limited period. In fact it would be commercially inept not to do so. We're not exactly knee deep in funds and I quite like the idea of Hearts contributing to the economic well being and development of our team.

Correct. Remember how outspoken she was as a fan when Vlad was rinsing all and sundry....., nope neither can I.

[jacomo]

In all seriousness, is West Lothian broadly Hearts/East Lothian more Hibs? Never grown up in Edinburgh so not sure how the geographical split works.

I've no idea, I think it's mixed as so many Edinburgh families have moved out of the city over the years, in all directions.

In Edinburgh there's a rough West/East split between Hearts and Hibs, but certainly there are Hibees living in the West of the city (and vice versa).

Hibs have the training centre in East Lothian and many players and staff have lived that way - just makes more sense.

[Famous Fiver]

My opinion all along is that talk of redevelopment at the Piggery is just a front to convince the great unwashed that price is prohibitive and, just by sheer coincidence, CEC redevelop a site in West Edinburgh and look for an anchor tenant.

Mark my words.

[Geo_1875]

My opinion all along is that talk of redevelopment at the Piggery is just a front to convince the great unwashed that price is prohibitive and, just by sheer coincidence, CEC redevelop a site in West Edinburgh and look for an anchor tenant.

Mark my words.

That's not how you spell ****er.

[monarch]

Correct. Remember how outspoken she was as a fan when Vlad was rinsing all and sundry....., nope neither can I.


I wasn't privy to her statements, spoken or otherwise, during the mad Russian's reign , and neither I suspect we're you. Remember she was low profile then. However she did take a swipe at the previous regime in one of her early statements after taking them over.

However my main concern is that Hibs should benefit financially should the request be raised (and yes I'd want payment in advance!).

Would you rather that the SRU/Murrayfield or Livingston/Tony Macaroni Arena (or whatever it'll be called by then) profit instead ?

[Colr]

I agree that the Pieman was spot on with his analysis. It was partially Wallace Mercer's fault in starting the redevelopment in the way that he did. It has everything against it. The pitch is too short, it lacks the required run off zones. It is too hemmed in to develop properly. It is in a blast zone.

The obvious solution is to build on greenfield land somewhere to the west of Edinburgh. However Budge is probably terrified of the fan reaction if Tynecastle is sold. Maybe this 'new stand' stuff is to string them along and maybe kick it into the long grass. The fans seem to be expecting 8,000 seats or more but no-one has explained where the £16 million is going to come from.

Hearts are now in the real world financially the days of Mercer, Robinson and Romanov are long gone. Is Budge going to hand over that sort of sum? Or are the FoH going to be asked to stump up?

They don't have much in the way of debt so they could do it through mortgage and debenture

[Waxy]

They know they have to move and soon before all space in Edinburgh is taken up.
They'll be stuck in Gorgie in their cramped wee park and will almost certainly be left behind eventually.

[Kato]

I wasn't privy to her statements, spoken or otherwise, during the mad Russian's reign , and neither I suspect we're you.

The russian wasn't mad, he knew exactly what he was doing.



Remember she was low profile then. However she did take a swipe at the previous regime in one of her early statements after taking them over.

What did she say?


However my main concern is that Hibs should benefit financially should the request be raised (and yes I'd want payment in advance!).

I'd leave that decision to those in charge.


Would you rather that the SRU/Murrayfield or Livingston/Tony Macaroni Arena (or whatever it'll be called by then) profit instead ?

Hopefully they play in the Sea of Tranquility. As much chance of that as their new stand getting built and paid for legally.

[Ozyhibby]

They don't have much in the way of debt so they could do it through mortgage and debenture

I don't think there is much appetite for lending to football clubs just now.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

They don't have much in the way of debt so they could do it through mortgage and debenture

What's the implications for a company that went into admin bumping creditors of millions?

You can't just go back to the bank and start again straight away can you?

[monarch]

The russian wasn't mad, he knew exactly what he was doing.




What did she say?



I'd leave that decision to those in charge.



Hopefully they play in the Sea of Tranquility. As much chance of that as their new stand getting built and paid for legally.

I just don't think my team should turn down additional revenue if the chance presents itself. However it's a discussion forum so we're all entitled to our opinions.

[jgl07]

They don't have much in the way of debt so they could do it through mortgage and debenture
Yes but their credit ratings will be off the scale.

Hibs financed the first three stands using long term mortgages. They were only able to do so because STF personally guaranteed the loans. Will Budgie be prepared to do the same? Has she go the resources to do so?

Debentures are more likely but the scale of cash required is a big ask for the Hearts support to stump up.

[monktonharp]

I just don't think my team should turn down additional revenue if the chance presents itself. However it's a discussion forum so we're all entitled to our opinions.you certainly are entitled to voice your opinion. I've stated mine.

[Zazu62]

Surely the building work must be starting soon what's the hold up ?

[Jonnyboy]

Heart of Midlothian shunted out into the sticks somewhere in East Lothian, perhaps. PLEASING :agree:

Oi, I dinnae want these mutants doon here :greengrin

[wills]

Wouldn't it be better if they need to ground share they do it with Livingston, after all, the only team that can fill their ground is hibs

[monktonharp]

use Livi's ground, Ideal. they took a massive 5k fans to a game there fairly recently.

[O'Rourke3]

Not sure if the Take the money poster is new or undercover however in one fact he/she is correct, AB was not part of the set-up. Her DOF was and was a grade a roaster who took every opportunity to disparage or disrespect our club. It may have been new directions from Fireworks Phil or indeed the Submariner but from that point on the big Team/Wee Team /Docksiders attitude chimed big time with the Savilles and everybody played the party line to the limit.

A friend in need is a bloody pest as the saying goes and you didn't have to scratch far into the surface to see how friendly the one side of the partnership really was. They may need a shared stadium in Edinburgh but we don't need the money. However f they have to move to Livingston, they'll be the victims. It's their trump card.

[Bostonhibby]

Surely the building work must be starting soon what's the hold up ?
Their seasons over so it's a good time to make a start. Just borrow money from charities and themselves again.

[greenginger]

If hearts are serious about spending £10 million or so on a new stand they really need to find some way to lengthen their pitch.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories


The PBS pitch is currently 107 yards long ( 97.8 metres ). The minimum length for UEFA category 1 and 2 pitches is 100 metres, and 105 metres for category 3 and 4.

Cat. 1 and 2 pitches can only be used in qualifying rounds 1 and 2 and they may get dispensation for their pitch being just over 2 metres short of the regulation length. After that I would think its a no, no.

Do they really want to spend that kind of money on a stadium they cannot use on their European adventures or are they being realistic and accepting that the days of runs in Europe are history for Scottish football and that they will be happier in their own midden.

[jacomo]

If hearts are serious about spending £10 million or so on a new stand they really need to find some way to lengthen their pitch.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories


The PBS pitch is currently 107 yards long ( 97.8 metres ). The minimum length for UEFA category 1 and 2 pitches is 100 metres, and 105 metres for category 3 and 4.

Cat. 1 and 2 pitches can only be used in qualifying rounds 1 and 2 and they may get dispensation for their pitch being just over 2 metres short of the regulation length. After that I would think its a no, no.

Do they really want to spend that kind of money on a stadium they cannot use on their European adventures or are they being realistic and accepting that the days of runs in Europe are history for Scottish football and that they will be happier in their own midden.

And the scaffold stands are decaying and in need of attention.

Everywhere you look, their project has serious issues - but the cramped site is the hardest one to fix.

[Turkish Green]

And the scaffold stands are decaying and in need of attention.

Everywhere you look, their project has serious issues - but the cramped site is the hardest one to fix.

Not that there will be many European nights for them to worry about, but the PBS meets the standard for qualification games, which will likely be their limit.

IF they do make it to the group stages then I suspect they will use the rugger pitch next door.

[jgl07]

If hearts are serious about spending £10 million or so on a new stand they really need to find some way to lengthen their pitch.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories


The PBS pitch is currently 107 yards long ( 97.8 metres ). The minimum length for UEFA category 1 and 2 pitches is 100 metres, and 105 metres for category 3 and 4.

Cat. 1 and 2 pitches can only be used in qualifying rounds 1 and 2 and they may get dispensation for their pitch being just over 2 metres short of the regulation length. After that I would think its a no, no.

Do they really want to spend that kind of money on a stadium they cannot use on their European adventures or are they being realistic and accepting that the days of runs in Europe are history for Scottish football and that they will be happier in their own midden.
Did they not lengthen it previously by taking a couple of rows of seats out at either end?

I understood that Tynecastle lacked the run off areas as well as having a pitch too short.

Whatever was Wallace Mercer thinking of when he planned the reconstruction of the stadium?

[Geo_1875]

Not that there will be many European nights for them to worry about, but the PBS meets the standard for qualification games, which will likely be their limit.

IF they do make it to the group stages then I suspect they will use the rugger pitch next door.


Did they not get special dispensation last time because it didn't meet official standards?

[jgl07]

Hasn't Cardownie stepped down from EC to "spend more time with his family"?

Saying that maybe he's been sent on a mission to entice another money-launderer to "invest" in the gunts.

He has stepped down as SNP group leader but stays on the council. He is Deputy Provost.

[eastterrace]

What I want to know is, where about in the new stand will these sorts of facilities be?? :greengrin <img src="http://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=16188"/> <img src="http://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=16189"/><img src="http://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=16190"/><img src="http://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=16191"/> if you click on the urinal with all the pish in it ,I'm sure you can smell it as well

[Just Alf]

Did they not get special dispensation last time because it didn't meet official standards?

They did (and still do technically)... The pitch is just undersized and there's no run off.... Without major changes on all 4 sides that can't be fixed. The premise that allowed for the dispensation was that the pitch sizing etc was "historical", any stadium redevelopment will remove that dispensation reason from the equation.

[I'm_cabbaged]

They did (and still do technically)... The pitch is just undersized and there's no run off.... Without major changes on all 4 sides that can't be fixed. The premise that allowed for the dispensation was that the pitch sizing etc was "historical", any stadium redevelopment will remove that dispensation reason from the equation.

Exactly, hence the space between the east and the pitch.

[Keith_M]

When Hibs built the East Stand, weren't they obliged to increase the length of the pitch to UEFA standards at the same time?

I'm sure I read that it was a UEFA regulation and that Liverpool will have to do the same when they modify the Main Stand.

[jgl07]

When Hibs built the East Stand, weren't they obliged to increase the length of the pitch to UEFA standards at the same time?

I'm sure I read that it was a UEFA regulation and that Liverpool will have to do the same when they modify the Main Stand.
There was no change to the length of the pitch when the East Stand was constructed. I don't think there was any change to the width either. The pitch may have been widened when the West Stand was constructed. They certainly moved the pitch over a bit and this entailed taking out the first few rows of the East Terrace. The North and South Stands had been constructed off centre of the pitch as it was to anticipate this. I am not sure if the pitch was lengthened when the North and South Stands were built.

The logical phased reconstruction of Easter Road stands stands in marked contrast with the shambolic partial reconstruction of Tynecastle presided over by Mercer and Robinson.

The best option is to bulldoze the whole thing and start again. Except that there isn't enough room on the site as it stands to build the 20,000 plus capacity stadium that the Yams seem to see as their right.

[emerald green]

I think some of the very few honest and rational Hearts supporters are actually quite embarrassed by the state of their ground (I won't dignify it by calling it a stadium).

[Bostonhibby]

I think some of the very few honest and rational Hearts supporters are actually quite embarrassed by the state of their ground (I won't dignify it by calling it a stadium).

:agree: I'm sure they both will be, the honest one and the rational one.:wink:

[Bishop Hibee]

If hearts are serious about spending £10 million or so on a new stand they really need to find some way to lengthen their pitch.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories


The PBS pitch is currently 107 yards long ( 97.8 metres ). The minimum length for UEFA category 1 and 2 pitches is 100 metres, and 105 metres for category 3 and 4.

Cat. 1 and 2 pitches can only be used in qualifying rounds 1 and 2 and they may get dispensation for their pitch being just over 2 metres short of the regulation length. After that I would think its a no, no.

Do they really want to spend that kind of money on a stadium they cannot use on their European adventures or are they being realistic and accepting that the days of runs in Europe are history for Scottish football and that they will be happier in their own midden.

Thanks for this. I suspect Budge would like to move them to a purpose built stadium but wants to keep the locals onside. I still reckon Edinburgh Council would love to 'help' them with a site to build on. The only upside of the current austerity measures is that they can't. Meanwhile Hearts will have to stay in the midden they have. Shame really :lolyam:

[Keith_M]

There was no change to the length of the pitch when the East Stand was constructed. I don't think there was any change to the width either. The pitch may have been widened when the West Stand was constructed. They certainly moved the pitch over a bit and this entailed taking out the first few rows of the East Terrace. The North and South Stands had been constructed off centre of the pitch as it was to anticipate this. I am not sure if the pitch was lengthened when the North and South Stands were built.

The logical phased reconstruction of Easter Road stands stands in marked contrast with the shambolic partial reconstruction of Tynecastle presided over by Mercer and Robinson.

The best option is to bulldoze the whole thing and start again. Except that there isn't enough room on the site as it stands to build the 20,000 plus capacity stadium that the Yams seem to see as their right.

OK, cheers, I though that was when Hibs increased the size of the ptich.

I know it's definitely larger now, so it must have been increased when they levelled the pitch, circa 2000.

[Aldo]

Ann Budge was no part of the organisation which stuffed HMRC, Edinburgh City Council or any of the other 200 odd creditors so let's stick to facts. On that basis I can't see any problem in charging a market rent for Hearts to use our stadium for a limited period. In fact it would be commercially inept not to do so. We're not exactly knee deep in funds and I quite like the idea of Hearts contributing to the economic well being and development of our team.

They could pay us hundreds of thousands of pounds per game I don't want that cheating robbing club sharing our stadium.

Doesn't matter if she has or hasn't. The club never paid its rates and fleeced the council for a fair whack!

Commercially inept really. I disagree! We have got where we are by paying our way with a few mistakes along the way.

This is our home **** them. I doubt want them sharing nothing of ours.

[Aldo]

I wasn't privy to her statements, spoken or otherwise, during the mad Russian's reign , and neither I suspect we're you. Remember she was low profile then. However she did take a swipe at the previous regime in one of her early statements after taking them over. However my main concern is that Hibs should benefit financially should the request be raised (and yes I'd want payment in advance!). Would you rather that the SRU/Murrayfield or Livingston/Tony Macaroni Arena (or whatever it'll be called by then) profit instead ?

Yip I would.

[Keith_M]

Yip I would.

Me too.


Even if it means Hibs missing out on some money, I'd rather we did absolutely nothing as a club to help that lot out.


Let them play in the Murrayfield echodome or out in Livingston.

[AltheHibby]

Me too.


Even if it means Hibs missing out on some money, I'd rather we did absolutely nothing as a club to help that lot out.


Let them play in the Murrayfield echodome or out in Livingston.

I would take their money. Upfront with a damage deposit. And a decent amount for cleaning our seats after they had sat on them.

[Callum7]

May I ask how there 10,000 seater stand is going to take place if they can barely fit one of
there 'so called normal' stands there.http://i65.tinypic.com/242eij7.jpg

[Sprouleflyer]

May I ask how there 10,000 seater stand is going to take place if they can barely fit one of
there 'so called normal' stands there.http://i65.tinypic.com/242eij7.jpg

That picture reminds me a little ditty that used to be sung.

If I had the wings of an eagle
If I had the @r$e of a crow
I'd fly over Tynecastle stadium
and ***** on the *******s below, below
and ***** on the *******s below!

:greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

If hearts are serious about spending £10 million or so on a new stand they really need to find some way to lengthen their pitch.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories


The PBS pitch is currently 107 yards long ( 97.8 metres ). The minimum length for UEFA category 1 and 2 pitches is 100 metres, and 105 metres for category 3 and 4.

Cat. 1 and 2 pitches can only be used in qualifying rounds 1 and 2 and they may get dispensation for their pitch being just over 2 metres short of the regulation length. After that I would think its a no, no.

Do they really want to spend that kind of money on a stadium they cannot use on their European adventures or are they being realistic and accepting that the days of runs in Europe are history for Scottish football and that they will be happier in their own midden.

It's not their pitch they need to find some way of lengthening, it's their penises. This pathological obsession with size is a dead giveaway.

[Callum7]

That picture reminds me a little ditty that used to be sung.

If I had the wings of an eagle
If I had the @r$e of a crow
I'd fly over Tynecastle stadium
and ***** on the *******s below, below
and ***** on the *******s below!

:greengrin

They're on there wayhttp://i67.tinypic.com/2zgygps.png

[banarc7062]

Built in the timescale of a close season. Jamie Borthwick tweets. Aye right.

Aye but they have booked DIY Big Build boys to get it sorted :greengrin

[Waxy]

Heard on the radio this morning that they're bulldozing Meadowbank.

[Moulin Yarns]

Heard on the radio this morning that they're bulldozing Meadowbank.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35726113

[percy veer]

Heard on the radio this morning that they're bulldozing Meadowbank.



And so it begins, just wait once they have demolished all of a sudden the rebuild cost will be too much and instead will push for a purpose built sports facility on the west of the city in partnership with hearts.

[Moulin Yarns]

And so it begins, just wait once they have demolished all of a sudden the rebuild cost will be too much and instead will push for a purpose built sports facility on the west of the city in partnership with hearts.



The cost of the new centre has been estimated at £41.1m. The council has a £5.98m funding shortfall. I can't see them starting without the full funding being in place. Just wouldn't happen.

[Pete]

Watch out for a magic transformation. The land at Tynecastle will cease to be worthless and will now be classed as a prime location worth millions more than it was when these inconvenient Lithuanians were sniffing about.

[Kojock]

I can't see them starting without the full funding being in place. Just wouldn't happen.

Hmm a 6 million shortfall, wonder how much they would get for the sale of Tynecastle. Can see a joint venture happening.

[Moulin Yarns]

Hmm a 6 million shortfall, wonder how much they would get for the sale of Tynecastle. Can see a joint venture happening.

Not forgetting votes are up for grabs next ear in the Council elections. trade votes for alienating half the city??

[Geo_1875]

Not forgetting votes are up for grabs next ear in the Council elections. trade votes for alienating half the city??

The council could lose more than votes over this. Their windows wouldn't be safe either.

[Ozyhibby]

Not forgetting votes are up for grabs next ear in the Council elections. trade votes for alienating half the city??

Less than 10% of the population of Edinburgh cares enough about Hearts or Hibs to actually go to the games so I doubt it would affect anyones electoral calculations that much either way. The SNP will see the board anyway I would think.


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[southsider]

Less than 10% of the population of Edinburgh cares enough about Hearts or Hibs to actually go to the games so I doubt it would affect anyones electoral calculations that much either way. The SNP will see the board anyway I would think.


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As long as the clown Leann ripped up for sh*t paper gets bombed oot.

[hibees 7062]

Hmm a 6 million shortfall, wonder how much they would get for the sale of Tynecastle. Can see a joint venture happening.

Edinburgh rugby and hertz would get that from sports Scotland etc

[hibs0666]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35726113

I'd be delighted if the yaks were to make up the shortfall to play in a 500 capacity athletics stadium.

[Bishop Hibee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35726113

Looks like the council have committed themselves to building an athletics stadium and indoor sporting facilities on the existing site. If they stick to this then the case for taxpayers money subsidising a multi-use stadium in the west of Edinburgh lessens.

[Kojock]

I'd be delighted if the yaks were to make up the shortfall to play in a 500 capacity athletics stadium.

The cynic in me says that the report will say that the Meadowbank project is not financially viable and it will be demolished and the land sold off to a property developer.

Council in conjunction with Hearts and Edinburgh Rugby will build a 25,000 seater athletics, football and rugby stadium in the west of Edinburgh at little cost to the Yams

[Geo_1875]

Looks like the council have committed themselves to building an athletics stadium and indoor sporting facilities on the existing site. If they stick to this then the case for taxpayers money subsidising a multi-use stadium in the west of Edinburgh lessens.

There's a way to go yet with this. The Council have been desperate to sell off Meadowbank for housing for a long time. Don't be shocked if they manage to avoid rebuilding in the east of Edinburgh.

[greenginger]

There's a way to go yet with this. The Council have been desperate to sell off Meadowbank for housing for a long time. Don't be shocked if they manage to avoid rebuilding in the east of Edinburgh.



file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/My%20Documents/Downloads/Item_11_Tynecastle_Stadium.pdf


Check clause 3.12. Redevelopment of Tynecastle is not viable. non-compliance with UEFA Regulations and the Club can't afford it.

Nothing has changed.

[TrinityHibs]

The cynic in me says that the report will say that the Meadowbank project is not financially viable and it will be demolished and the land sold off to a property developer.

Council in conjunction with Hearts and Edinburgh Rugby will build a 25,000 seater athletics, football and rugby stadium in the west of Edinburgh at little cost to the Yams

So Hertz would be playing inside an 8 lane running track on a pitch that would be used for rugby on the Friday night before their games and the SRU are just going to give up the income from Edinburgh Rugby?

[hibs0666]

The cynic in me says that the report will say that the Meadowbank project is not financially viable and it will be demolished and the land sold off to a property developer.

Council in conjunction with Hearts and Edinburgh Rugby will build a 25,000 seater athletics, football and rugby stadium in the west of Edinburgh at little cost to the Yams

Take the existing costs and add £35 million for the 25,000 seat stadium and you'll see why I'm not buying into the paranoia on this thread.

[Onion]

There's a way to go yet with this. The Council have been desperate to sell off Meadowbank for housing for a long time. Don't be shocked if they manage to avoid rebuilding in the east of Edinburgh.

:agree: Councils are desperate for funds at the moment so selling off this prime land makes sense in the short term. An alliance with Hearts also makes financial sense. If it doesn't happen, you can bet 100% that it will have been discussed in detail.

[jgl07]

So Hertz would be playing inside an 8 lane running track on a pitch that would be used for rugby on the Friday night before their games and the SRU are just going to give up the income from Edinburgh Rugby?
Well Hearts do play the nearest approximation to Rugby in the SPFL.

[fatbloke]

FAOHibs0666According to my sources this has already had nudge nudge meetings as per the Marionville Butterfly - you are no cynic.