USA- Multiple Deaths

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34987697

Police are attending a shooting at a social services facility for disabled people in California
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Fire officials in San Bernardino said it was responding to a "20 victim shooting incident" and it was working to clear the scene.

ABC News reports that there are 12 people dead but police have not confirmed that number.

[Mr White]

Absolutely grim how often incidents like this occur in the USA.

[cabbageandribs1875]

3 active shooters have fled in a SUV

[Bristolhibby]

****in tragic. It happens so regularly that it's almost taken in their stride.

Yet they are terrified of Isis.

Here's a tip America, you will be safer if you bring in gun control. Simple.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

info still coming in on CNN, long rifles were used and the shooters had some type of body armour on which obviously is not the normal bodywear for any type of Daesh attack

[Bristolhibby]

info still coming in on CNN, long rifles were used and the shooters had some type of body armour on which obviously is not the normal bodywear for any type of Daesh attack

Did the Mumbai shooters not have body armour?

Seems appropriate to me (if I were an active shooter) to wear a flack jacket, so I could continue shooting.

Was reading that it was a council centre for mentally disabled people that was targeted.

*******s!

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

Did the Mumbai shooters not have body armour?

Seems appropriate to me (if I were an active shooter) to wear a flack jacket, so I could continue shooting.

Was reading that it was a council centre for mentally disabled people that was targeted.

*******s!

J


some expert guy on the now saying it sounds more like a domestic militia type of attack

[Bristolhibby]

some expert guy on the now saying it sounds more like a domestic militia type of attack

Fecks sake! Why target the most vulnerable in society? Just senseless.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

14 confirmed dead at the moment, and 14 wounded

[Hibrandenburg]

I consider myself semi intelligent but I just can't fathom this ****. Don't know where to begin.

[Pretty Boy]

How many were killed in the shooting at Planned Parenthood at the weekend? Was it 3 in total in the end?

17 deaths (widely reported) in 5 days due to attacks with guns. Perhaps if those with mental health conditions and expectant mothers were armed themselves they would have been safer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Live video showing hundreds of police approx 50 yards away from an SUV pulled up at side of road in a residential area with at least one suspect lying dead on the ground next to an open door, they're not sure if still another in the car

[Halifaxhibby]

Tragic. Can u get any lower?, targeting disabled people. Get a hold of these effers and send them into niddrie/muirhouse on a saturday and let the young team go wild.
San bernadino, your in our thoughts.
RIP

[cabbageandribs1875]

two suspects were found in the car, one male and one female, both had assault weapons( AR15's)and hand guns, pipe bombs were thrown from car when getting chased by police car, possible bomb at the regional centre, a 3rd person detained after running away near scene of the car shootings but they have not ascertained if he was just in wrong place at the wrong time or indeed the 3rd suspect, a witness at the conference centre said someone had left after having an argument and returned with another two people, police not sure if person that left was already at the holiday/xmas event then left after arguing, or went to see who was there first.




analysts starting to think it could be terrorism now due to all the different agencies/resources getting involved...also with the female being well armed etc

[Halifaxhibby]

355th mass shooting in America this year alone.

[GreenLake]

Some reports naming one of the shooters as Sayeed Farouk.

[GreenLake]

Third person detained. Might be the guy's brother. The other suspect shot dead was a woman. FBI not saying if it is terrorist but not ruling it out.

I don't think the shootings were aimed at the patients. There was a party in some function room rented out and a guy reportedly stormed out after a dispute with those attending.

With a middle eastern name though, it's easy to speculate there might be some religious motivation involved considering recent events in Paris. Either way, they were vicious nut cases with assault rifles.

[mikewynne]

355th mass shooting in America this year alone.

Yep, and according to the right wing US media and politicians it's a mental health crisis, nothing to do with the over 300 million guns in the country.

[GreenLake]

Yep, and according to the right wing US media and politicians it's a mental health crisis, nothing to do with the over 300 million guns in the country.

The sides of this debate are polarized but regardless of how many guns you have to include the fact that many shooters were on psych meds.

Gun control and psych med control should be imposed. Mostly, psycho dogmatic belief systems should be controlled. Some person kills other people with a weapon of some kind because of a motive or a belief that that motive is justified.

The best thing would be to introduce the philosophy that if someone is really ******ed off then make the first shot into their own temple.

[Colr]

****in tragic. It happens so regularly that it's almost taken in their stride.

Yet they are terrified of Isis.

Here's a tip America, you will be safer if you bring in gun control. Simple.

J

and as likely to be home grown nutters.

Sadly, you can predict the platitudes about this being a watershed and not allowing it to happen again but nothing will change and it will happen again.

Donald Trump might suggest it was the victims fault for not being armed so they could fight back.

[s.a.m]

Today's cover from The New York Daily News:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVSM8-gWwAEcwB_.jpg

[Pretty Boy]

Today's cover from The New York Daily News:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVSM8-gWwAEcwB_.jpg

Of course God isn't fixing it.

The more believers try to convince me that things like this are sent to 'test our faith' or are part of a 'bigger plan' the more convinced I become their God is an evil, insecure and spiteful being.

[Bristolhibby]

and as likely to be home grown nutters.

Sadly, you can predict the platitudes about this being a watershed and not allowing it to happen again but nothing will change and it will happen again.

Donald Trump might suggest it was the victims fault for not being armed so they could fight back.

TBH Mate, is Sandy Hook wasn't a watershed, I have no idea what that country would have to have a watershed.

At least Dumblane ended handguns in the UK. Now your random nutter would have to be connected to the criminal underworld to get a handgun. Compare that to the states where he can walk into the equilivent of Sports Direct and buy one.

J

[Sylar]

and as likely to be home grown nutters.

Sadly, you can predict the platitudes about this being a watershed and not allowing it to happen again but nothing will change and it will happen again.

Donald Trump might suggest it was the victims fault for not being armed so they could fight back.

Ah, but the victims had mental health issues so it's 100% correct that they weren't armed! After all, it's only nutters or terrorists that do **** like this.

That's it! That's how we'll square the circle! We'll attach the shooters to terrorism since they have foreign sounding names!

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34993344

*Police believe that 28-year-old Syed Rizwan Farook, an inspector with the department, left the party following a dispute and returned with his partner, 27-year-old Tashfeen Malik, to carry out the shooting.


wow, if it turns out it was a work dispute attack, i guess it's safe to say with all the weaponry involved, the gruesome twosome would eventually have undertook some sort of gross terrorist attack somewhere ?

[GreenLake]

Ah, but the victims had mental health issues so it's 100% correct that they weren't armed! After all, it's only nutters or terrorists that do **** like this.

That's it! That's how we'll square the circle! We'll attach the shooters to terrorism since they have foreign sounding names!

Farouk spent a month in Saudi Arabia in the spring, came back with a wife then grew out his beard. He carries out a mass killing with assault rifles and explosives in partnership with said wife not long after the Paris attacks. Seems to me a reasonable suspicion that they might be terrorists.

[HibsMax]

It's amazing that so many people can be scared of terrorists in the form of Muslim extremists when you have a much greater chance of being shot by Billy Bob from down the street. It's almost becoming too common to talk about because you don't get done discussing one incident when another happens.

Different story but hard to believe there are people who support the cretin who shot up planned parenthood.

[Colr]

Ah, but the victims had mental health issues so it's 100% correct that they weren't armed!!

Trump might treat us to one of his impersonations as well, then!!

[GreenLake]

It's amazing that so many people can be scared of terrorists in the form of Muslim extremists when you have a much greater chance of being shot by Billy Bob from down the street. It's almost becoming too common to talk about because you don't get done discussing one incident when another happens.

Different story but hard to believe there are people who support the cretin who shot up planned parenthood.

There is probably a greater statistical chance of being shot by your own wife than a terrorist. Maybe that's why divorce rates are so high over here.

[Off the bar]

I notice the Americans have decided this was an IS influenced terrorist attack. It is incredible that they have had a major terrorist attack and it's taken 2 days to realise because gun violence on that scale is so common. Sad sad state of affairs.

[Hibrandenburg]

What I don't get is that if there had been over 350 mass shootings in any other country in 11 months other than the US, then our foreign office would be issuing warning statements regarding travel to those countries. Crazy.

[silverhibee]

Seems to have been a terrorist attack at a London tube station where a man has been detained for stabbing a person/persons and shouting "this is for Syria".

Didn't realise this happened last night.

[Hibrandenburg]

Seems to have been a terrorist attack at a London tube station where a man has been detained for stabbing a person/persons and shouting "this is for Syria".

Didn't realise this happened last night.

From what I've read and seen it just looks like the actions of one very disturbed individual.

[Moulin Yarns]

From what I've read and seen it just looks like the actions of one very disturbed individual.

I agree with you that it seems to have been an individual, and not a 'real' terror threat, but, and here I go against my instinct, it has shown how unprepared we really are. Film shows a few unarmed police with a couple of tazers that would have been ineffective against a 'real' terror threat.

[DaveF]

I agree with you that it seems to have been an individual, and not a 'real' terror threat, but, and here I go against my instinct, it has shown how unprepared we really are. Film shows a few unarmed police with a couple of tazers that would have been ineffective against a 'real' terror threat.

It happened in an east London tube station, not kings cross. Unless you had armed police all over the place, then I'm not sure how you protect everyone at every place.

[Moulin Yarns]

It happened in an east London tube station, not kings cross. Unless you had armed police all over the place, then I'm not sure how you protect everyone at every place.

I feel to call an individual with a knife a terror threat a bit of an over reaction though. Not dismissing the impact on the victim, but to compare this with, say Paris, is a bit ridiculous (IMHO)

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Seems to have been a terrorist attack at a London tube station where a man has been detained for stabbing a person/persons and shouting "this is for Syria".

Didn't realise this happened last night.

Perfect response to stabbing incident. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35020427)

[cabbageandribs1875]

california shooters were doing some target practise at ranges a few days before attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35032025


hands up who would be a bit suss if a couple came in to your local target range in that gear, gun license or not i'd be on the blower to the F B of I :)

[Hibrandenburg]

When I think back to where I grew up and the amount of nutters that roamed the streets and then imagine that guns would be available to all, it sends a shiver down my back.

[(((Fergus)))]

It happened in an east London tube station, not kings cross. Unless you had armed police all over the place, then I'm not sure how you protect everyone at every place.

You could start by arming all police with handguns. Properly controlled (e.g. zero meds) gun ownership for trained civilians could be the next layer if more security is required.

[BroxburnHibee]

Tweeted by Yoko Ono today. Not sure if its accurate but cant see any reason for her to lie.

Over 1,100,000 people killed by guns in the USA since @JohnLennon was shot and killed on Dec 8 1980
#StopGunViolence https://t.co/BUbGXqHbGN

[Hibrandenburg]

Tweeted by Yoko Ono today. Not sure if its accurate but cant see any reason for her to lie.

Over 1,100,000 people killed by guns in the USA since @JohnLennon was shot and killed on Dec 8 1980
#StopGunViolence https://t.co/BUbGXqHbGN

Like I said earlier, if any other country in the world was to have a similar death rate due to firearms then our foreign office would issue a travel warning.

[HappyAsHellas]

Compared to places like Jamaica or South Africa, or several South American countries the USA is a veritable safe haven when it comes to gun deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

[(((Fergus)))]

Tweeted by Yoko Ono today. Not sure if its accurate but cant see any reason for her to lie.

Over 1,100,000 people killed by guns in the USA since @JohnLennon was shot and killed on Dec 8 1980
#StopGunViolence https://t.co/BUbGXqHbGN

It could be worse. If these muslim terrorists had used a motor vehicle to ram and kill their victims that would have added yet more people to America's death-by-car statistics – which are about one third higher than its death-by-gun (homicides, suicides, police shootings and accidents).

America already has some of the most stringent road safety laws in the world. California, for that matter, has the most (?) stringent gun control laws in the US. Nevertheless, they clearly need to do more to ensure that ******s such as this pair are stopped well before they get anywhere near their targets – whatever weapons they are using.

[Haymaker]

It could be worse. If these muslim terrorists had used a motor vehicle to ram and kill their victims that would have added yet more people to America's death-by-car statistics – which are about one third higher than its death-by-gun (homicides, suicides, police shootings and accidents).

America already has some of the most stringent road safety laws in the world. California, for that matter, has the most (?) stringent gun control laws in the US. Nevertheless, they clearly need to do more to ensure that ******s such as this pair are stopped well before they get anywhere near their targets – whatever weapons they are using.

They may have some tough road safety laws but the driving test in Connecticut when I lived there was utter *****!

[HibsMax]

Compared to places like Jamaica or South Africa, or several South American countries the USA is a veritable safe haven when it comes to gun deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
I sorted that list by homicides and it's frightening when you see the countries around the USA:
Honduras
El Salvador
Jamaica
Venezuela
Swaziland
Guatemala
Colombia
Brazil
South Africa
Panama
Mexico
Paraguay
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
United States
Uruguay
Philippines
Barbados
Peru
Chile
Montenegro
Argentina
Croatia
Macedonia
Israel
Serbia
Georgia
Luxembourg
Taiwan
Greece
Kyrgyzstan
Canada

I stopped the list at Canada which I think is a fair-ish comparison to the USA. Lots of the other countries are known to be troubled or have had their fair share of troubles in the past.

[HibsMax]

Like I said earlier, if any other country in the world was to have a similar death rate due to firearms then our foreign office would issue a travel warning.
It's ironic, there are thousands of people killed in the US every year but the NRA wants to do nothing about it. A couple of Muslims shoot up an office party and Trump wants to ban Muslims from entering the country and, worse still, he has supporters.

[Betty Boop]

http://www.missopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Michele-Fiore-and-Relatives-Pose-With-Guns-for-Family-Christmas-Photo.jpg








:crazy:

[GreenLake]

http://www.missopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Michele-Fiore-and-Relatives-Pose-With-Guns-for-Family-Christmas-Photo.jpg








:crazy:

I hope these guys live in a different state. :greengrin

[GreenLake]

It could be worse. If these muslim terrorists had used a motor vehicle to ram and kill their victims that would have added yet more people to America's death-by-car statistics – which are about one third higher than its death-by-gun (homicides, suicides, police shootings and accidents).

America already has some of the most stringent road safety laws in the world. California, for that matter, has the most (?) stringent gun control laws in the US. Nevertheless, they clearly need to do more to ensure that ******s such as this pair are stopped well before they get anywhere near their targets – whatever weapons they are using.

They have massive budgets and full access to everyone's communications yet somehow failed to watch these two? I don't know what someone has to do to become suspicious. Visiting Headchop Arabia and hating the West might be a good indicator, plus growing a beard and having target practice, then throw in the purchase of various lengths of pipe and massive amounts of ammunition. It isn't rocket science.

Instead of increasing the surveillance budget after terrorist attacks maybe they should reduce it. Seems like the more data they have the less they know what to do with it. Like not being able to see the wood for the trees.

Lie detector technology. Lie detector technology. Lie detector technology. No brainer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35125435

A friend of one of the San Bernardino attackers has been charged in connection with the mass shooting that killed 14.

Mr Marquez and Farook planned to bomb a local university, where they had both been students, and shoot students as they ran away, according to court records.
They also had plans to attack a motorway during afternoon rush hour by dropping pipe bombs onto cars and shooting into cars and at law enforcement, the records said.

i hope Marquez joins his murderous pieces of human garbage friends that are still hopefully burning in hell

[snooky]

http://www.missopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Michele-Fiore-and-Relatives-Pose-With-Guns-for-Family-Christmas-Photo.jpg








:crazy:

This photograph sums up the world's impression of the American psyche.
They still think they are living in the Wild West (& I don't mean Glasgow :wink:)
God bless the USA :rolleyes:

[snooky]

It's ironic, there are thousands of people killed in the US every year but the NRA wants to do nothing about it. A couple of Muslims shoot up an office party and Trump wants to ban Muslims from entering the country and, worse still, he has supporters.

Former gun lobbyist Charlton Heston (:crazy:) blamed the Columbine massacre on the wearing of trench coats. :rolleyes:

[(((Fergus)))]

They have massive budgets and full access to everyone's communications yet somehow failed to watch these two? I don't know what someone has to do to become suspicious. Visiting Headchop Arabia and hating the West might be a good indicator, plus growing a beard and having target practice, then throw in the purchase of various lengths of pipe and massive amounts of ammunition. It isn't rocket science.

Instead of increasing the surveillance budget after terrorist attacks maybe they should reduce it. Seems like the more data they have the less they know what to do with it. Like not being able to see the wood for the trees.

Lie detector technology. Lie detector technology. Lie detector technology. No brainer.

Seems like a massive intelligence failure. The intelligence to suspect that islamist groups might be responsible for islamist terrorism (are we allowed to call it that? One man's freedom fighter and what have you). Obama's kid-gloves approach to the problem has no doubt left its mark on the DHS, etc., as this "whistleblower" is suggesting: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/263284-administration-nixed-probe-into-southern-california

The wider issue within western "liberalism" is, I think, addressed well in this current piece Nick Cohen: http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/6361/full

[HibsMax]

This photograph sums up the world's impression of the American psyche.
They still think they are living in the Wild West (& I don't mean Glasgow :wink:)
God bless the USA :rolleyes:


and that's unfortunate because that's not how the entire country feels, but it is how the entire country is perceived.