David Cup Final

[Hibee87]

Schedule has been announced for the final tomorrow, think the first match will start around 12:45 - 1pm



Davis Cup final draw


Day One
David Goffin v Kyle Edmund; Ruben Bemelmans v Andy Murray


Day Two
Kimmer Coppejans/Steve Darcis v Jamie Murray/Andy Murray


Day Three
David Goffin v Andy Murray, Ruben Bemelmans v Kyle Edmund

[Golden Bear]

Is the outcome of the Davis Cup Final not a mere formality? Andy Murray will win the matches he's involved in and the rest of the team will be making up the numbers.

It doesn't seem quite right somehow that one outstanding player can almost win a supposed team event on his own.

For the credibility of the tournament I hope I'm wrong.

[Andy74]

Is the outcome of the Davis Cup Final not a mere formality? Andy Murray will win the matches he's involved in and the rest of the team will be making up the numbers.

It doesn't seem quite right somehow that one outstanding player can almost win a supposed team event on his own.

For the credibility of the tournament I hope I'm wrong.

Generally only two of those are 'guaranteed' - doubles is a different game altogether and the big names don't generally make much of an impact.

So you need a team in the sense that you need a good doubles partnership or specialist player and if that doesn't go well you need another player to get something in singles.

Traditionally teams with one strong player haven't done too well.

Jamie Murray is carrying the doubles points and I think at least one of the other singles players won when they weren't expected to for them to have got this far.

Anyway, the credibility of football for example doesn't seem to be hindered when one player makes a sgnificant impact in carrying a team to winning things - Maradona in '86 for example.

[JimBHibees]

Is the outcome of the Davis Cup Final not a mere formality? Andy Murray will win the matches he's involved in and the rest of the team will be making up the numbers.

It doesn't seem quite right somehow that one outstanding player can almost win a supposed team event on his own.

For the credibility of the tournament I hope I'm wrong.

Certainly not a formality, the surface is on clay which is Murray's least favourite surface also Goffin is 18 in the World so no pushover. Doubles are a lottery and a completely different game also.

[Golden Bear]

I understand that the Davis Cup is the number 1 international Team event for the game of Tennis. I find it incredulous that GB can only muster one player in the Top 100 yet we find ourselves in the final!

Could it be the case that other Nations simply don't rate the Davis Cup (or possibly the format) as highly as we do?

Having said that, I really hope we win it!

[Andy74]

I understand that the Davis Cup is the number 1 international Team event for the game of Tennis. I find it incredulous that GB can only muster one player in the Top 100 yet we find ourselves in the final!

Could it be the case that other Nations simply don't rate the Davis Cup (or possibly the format) as highly as we do?

Having said that, I really hope we win it!

Jamie Murray is a highly ranked doubles player as well though.

So we have a top 3 singles player and top 7 doubles player.

[Sir David Gray]

Could we have a wee edit to the thread title, please? :wink:


I understand that the Davis Cup is the number 1 international Team event for the game of Tennis. I find it incredulous that GB can only muster one player in the Top 100 yet we find ourselves in the final!

Could it be the case that other Nations simply don't rate the Davis Cup (or possibly the format) as highly as we do?

Having said that, I really hope we win it!

The other top 10 players in the world have made the following number of appearances in this year's Davis Cup;

Novak Djokovic - 1 out of a possible 4 matches for Serbia. World Group
Andy Murray - 6 out of a possible 6 matches for Great Britain. World Group
Roger Federer - 2 out of a possible 4 matches for Switzerland. World Group
Stan Wawrinka - 1 out of a possible 4 matches for Switzerland. World Group
Rafael Nadal - 1 out of a possible 4 matches for Spain. Europe/Africa Zone Group I
Tomas Berdych - 0 out of a possible 4 matches for Czech Republic. World Group
David Ferrer - 2 out of a possible 4 matches for Spain. Europe/Africa Zone Group I
Kei Nishikori - 4 out of a possible 4 matches for Japan. World Group
Richard Gasquet - 0 out of a possible 4 matches for France. World Group
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - 1 out of a possible 3 matches for France. World Group

It's certainly not rated as highly as the Grand Slams or possibly even the Masters 1000 events by the top players but I think the rise of Britain in the Davis Cup over the last five years is quite remarkable. Yes that is almost entirely down to Andy Murray's decision to turn up for every single tie but the other players have all played their part

If we beat Belgium this weekend, it will be a huge achievement.

[Speedy]

Jamie Murray is a highly ranked doubles player as well though.

So we have a top 3 singles player and top 7 doubles player.

Dom Inglot is also highly ranked at doubles.

[Golden Bear]

Could we have a wee edit to the thread title, please? :wink:



The other top 10 players in the world have made the following number of appearances in this year's Davis Cup;

Novak Djokovic - 1 out of a possible 4 matches for Serbia. World Group
Andy Murray - 6 out of a possible 6 matches for Great Britain. World Group
Roger Federer - 2 out of a possible 4 matches for Switzerland. World Group
Stan Wawrinka - 1 out of a possible 4 matches for Switzerland. World Group
Rafael Nadal - 1 out of a possible 4 matches for Spain. Europe/Africa Zone Group I
Tomas Berdych - 0 out of a possible 4 matches for Czech Republic. World Group
David Ferrer - 2 out of a possible 4 matches for Spain. Europe/Africa Zone Group I
Kei Nishikori - 4 out of a possible 4 matches for Japan. World Group
Richard Gasquet - 0 out of a possible 4 matches for France. World Group
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - 1 out of a possible 3 matches for France. World Group

It's certainly not rated as highly as the Grand Slams or possibly even the Masters 1000 events by the top players but I think the rise of Britain in the Davis Cup over the last five years is quite remarkable. Yes that is almost entirely down to Andy Murray's decision to turn up for every single tie but the other players have all played their part

If we beat Belgium this weekend, it will be a huge achievement.


Well done Triq. Thanks for the ejukashun.

:wink:

[Speedy]

Edmund 4-0 up in the first set

[Pretty Boy]

Not a bad start I suppose.:greengrin

[Speedy]

6-3 Edmund in the first.

[Ryan91]

Kyle Edmund playing massive

[lyonhibs]

Goffin was asleep for most of that 1st. Edmund played brilliantly though.

Long way to go in a 5 setter

[lord bunberry]

4-1 in the second set to the Brits

[Ryan91]

Edmund up a double break in the Second, absolutely bossing Goffin

[Ryan91]

Edmund and GB up by 2 sets, Goffin just looks like he doesn't want to be there

[Jim44]

Goffin fighting back.

[Speedy]

2-1 up in sets but down a break in the 4th (1-2)

[Speedy]

3-1. Goffin getting a bit more clinical, and errors creeping into Edmund's game.

But one break back and we're back on...

[Speedy]

Baws burst for the set 4-1 down, Goffin to serve.

Edmund needs to refocus and give his all in the 5th.

[BroxburnHibee]

Edmund looks done

[Golden Bear]

Enjoyed that, good entertainment. Edmund will learn from that, hopefully he's not too despondent.

[Pretty Boy]

That was a lot like watching Andy Murrays early 5 set matches.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Andy pandy wins 6-3 6-2 7-5

[lyonhibs]

They were chatting to Ward earlier and be mentioned he'd be ready to play in a 5th match decider if required. Am I missing something? Will he only be called up if Edmunds gets injured or can Smith still replace Edmunds before Sunday?

[Sir David Gray]

They were chatting to Ward earlier and be mentioned he'd be ready to play in a 5th match decider if required. Am I missing something? Will he only be called up if Edmunds gets injured or can Smith still replace Edmunds before Sunday?

He can name whoever he wants from his team that he's selected up to one hour before play begins each day.

[Sir David Gray]

Disappointing end to the match for Edmund today. Experience obviously just told in the end.

Good result for Murray which sets things up nicely for the pivotal doubles match tomorrow.

Whoever wins that will win the tie as I can't see Murray losing to Goffin.

[Pretty Boy]

1st set Britain in the doubles.

[Moulin Yarns]

good atmosphere :greengrin

[Golden Bear]

1 set each. Anybody's game this one.

[Jim44]

GB 2 sets to one.

[Pretty Boy]

Britain serving for the match.

Can't decide if the atmosphere looks good or like a bunch of annoying students on a jolly.

[Pretty Boy]

And that's that.

Barring a shock that should be the cup in the bag.

[Jim44]

And that's that.

Barring a shock that should be the cup in the bag.

You sound like a BBC commentator. :greengrin

[Speedy]

And that's that.

Barring a shock that should be the cup in the bag.

I think each rubber could go either way (albeit with us being strong favourites in one and underdogs in another).

Would prefer to see Murray on last but you're right, we should win now.

[Mikey09]

Loved Jamie Murray's comment when a reporter said to him in the post match interview "It must be reassuring for you both in an atmosphere like that to look round and see your brother standing there." His reply... "Well it is for me but probably not for him!"

Fantastic! He's got a decent sense of humour! :not worth

[heretoday]

Britain serving for the match.

Can't decide if the atmosphere looks good or like a bunch of annoying students on a jolly.

It IS a bunch of annoying students on a jolly! The Stirling Univ Barmy Army to be precise. We certainly didn't behave like that when I was there. Most uncool.

[Treadstone]

I think each rubber could go either way (albeit with us being strong favourites in one and underdogs in another).

Would prefer to see Murray on last but you're right, we should win now.

A tennis ratings tweeter (quite shrewd) thinks Edmund is a strong fav against Bemelmans. He said this before the tie got underway. Bookies seem to agree.

[greenlex]

A tennis ratings tweeter (quite shrewd) thinks Edmund is a strong fav against Bemelmans. He said this before the tie got underway. Bookies seem to agree.

I can't see the name Edmund without thinking of Boackadder. Sorry.

[Golden Bear]

It IS a bunch of annoying students on a jolly! The Stirling Univ Barmy Army to be precise. We certainly didn't behave like that when I was there. Most uncool.

Cough cough I guess!

[Speedy]

A tennis ratings tweeter (quite shrewd) thinks Edmund is a strong fav against Bemelmans. He said this before the tie got underway. Bookies seem to agree.

I was assuming it'll be Darcis.

Edmund has a good chance of beating him as well but would expect Darcis to be favourite.

[Sir David Gray]

Set number one in the bag, 6-3. :thumbsup:

Two more to go for history to be made.

So impressed by Murray here, the guy's a legend.

[GreenLake]

Tough second set but Murray has him on the ropes

[Sir David Gray]

Set number two to GB, 7-5.

One more to go!

What a shot to win that last point. :thumbsup:

[Andy74]

Commentators reeling off a list of English sporting achievements and thanking the English county coaches and volunteers.

Aye, that's great. It's a GB team with two Scots getting the only points!

[Treadstone]

Andrew Castle is horrendous.

[Sir David Gray]

Murray wins 6-3 7-5 6-3 and GB have won the Davis Cup for the first time since 1936. :thumbsup:

Brilliant effort by the whole team. The rise of team GB since they were in the doldrums in 2010 has been incredible.

[easty]

What a shot to win it as well! Brilliant!

[jodjam]

Tintin , Poirot, Audrey Hepburn, Eddie Merckx. Your boys took one hell of a beating

[CropleyWasGod]

Tintin , Poirot, Audrey Hepburn, Eddie Merckx. Your boys took one hell of a beating

Don't forget Bradley Wiggins :greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

Commentators reeling off a list of English sporting achievements and thanking the English county coaches and volunteers.

Aye, that's great. It's a GB team with two Scots getting the only points!

Zzzzzzzzzzz and they get plenty of credit for doing so,your observations and those like you are becoming so boring and predictable where a GB team involving Scots is involved, get over it FFS.

[Chip shop Joe]

Delighted for Murray. Really feel that he does not get the credit he deserves.

Some of my friends and the press always seem to say that he is a bottler etc when it comes to the later stages in tournaments!

He is playing in a era with probably the best two players of all time in Federer and Djokovic with Nadal perhaps a close third ( even with all of his injuries).

Without looking at his grand slam record he only ever seems to get beaten by the above three in the semi or final. Add to this the grand slams that he has won and the Olympics, as well as the fact that he has a few years ahead of him then I think history will be a lot kinder to him than his current treatment by some.

[Sir David Gray]

Delighted for Murray. Really feel that he does not get the credit he deserves.

Some of my friends and the press always seem to say that he is a bottler etc when it comes to the later stages in tournaments!

He is playing in a era with probably the best two players of all time in Federer and Djokovic with Nadal perhaps a close third ( even with all of his injuries).

Without looking at his grand slam record he only ever seems to get beaten by the above three in the semi or final. Add to this the grand slams that he has won and the Olympics, as well as the fact that he has a few years ahead of him then I think history will be a lot kinder to him than his current treatment by some.

He's one of the greatest Scottish athletes of all time.

How anyone can criticise him after all that he's achieved over the past three or four years is beyond me.

[Chip shop Joe]

Exactly but they certainly do!

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[BroxburnHibee]

It is silly but I did hear a 5 live commentator yesterday say after the doubles......

"Andy can win it for England" :tee hee:

[Sir David Gray]

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How sad.

[Scouse Hibee]

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Pathetic isn't it. Some people always have to, they just can't help themselves.

[ronaldo7]

Great photo of St Andy at the top of his game.

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[Pete]

It is silly but I did hear a 5 live commentator yesterday say after the doubles......

"Andy can win it for England" :tee hee:

Well, technically he did. :hmmm:

[Andy74]

Pathetic isn't it. Some people always have to, they just can't help themselves.

Do you blame people though when you have the commentators talking about 1966 and Man U winning the European Cup. Those are English achievements. If they keep mixing England and GB then of course you are going to get some reaction and especially so when there are Scots involved and central to the achievement.

I think it's easy to say get over it and its pathetic when you are on the 'right' side of these things.

[Sir David Gray]

Do you blame people though when you have the commentators talking about 1966 and Man U winning the European Cup. Those are English achievements. If they keep mixing England and GB then of course you are going to get some reaction and especially so when there are Scots involved and central to the achievement.

I think it's easy to say get over it and its pathetic when you are on the 'right' side of these things.

The commentator (Andrew Castle) also mentioned Europe's win in the Ryder Cup when he was listing all the sporting achievements that we have celebrated in this country so it wasn't all just about England.

[Treadstone]

Pathetic isn't it. Some people always have to, they just can't help themselves.

Sixty followers, a bit perspective needed.

[Scouse Hibee]

Do you blame people though when you have the commentators talking about 1966 and Man U winning the European Cup. Those are English achievements. If they keep mixing England and GB then of course you are going to get some reaction and especially so when there are Scots involved and central to the achievement.

I think it's easy to say get over it and its pathetic when you are on the 'right' side of these things.


On the right side of these things!

I may be English but I have lived in Scotland for 23 years, I left England when I was 25, my wife is Scottish and consequently my 21 year old son was born here and is proud to be Scottish and rightly so. Apart from the obvious banter I have on here, I will defend all things about Scotland as the country where I have chosen to live. But believe me it's hard to do when you have to keep listening to folk rattling on about how they feel there is an agenda against Scotland and picking holes in everything to do with a GB team. Folk just waiting for commentators to say something that they can jump on and make an issue of rather than enjoying the occasion for what it is. So yes I would say pathetic is the perfect description.

[ACLeith]

On the right side of these things!

I may be English but I have lived in Scotland for 23 years, I left England when I was 25, my wife is Scottish and consequently my 21 year old son was born here and is proud to be Scottish and rightly so. Apart from the obvious banter I have on here, I will defend all things about Scotland as the country where I have chosen to live. But believe me it's hard to do when you have to keep listening to folk rattling on about how they feel there is an agenda against Scotland and picking holes in everything to do with a GB team. Folk just waiting for commentators to say something that they can jump on and make an issue of rather than enjoying the occasion for what it is. So yes I would say pathetic is the perfect description.

Sadly, SH, you don't have to wait very long to find the issue. I would like to think given your background that you can see the issue from both sides better than most. I know someone very well who did not understand the ABE sentiment until he came to live here and saw the media bias for himself from a Scottish perspective - still a fully fledge Englishman who winds me up, but can take it in equal measure, but now understands why we get upset.

This GB success I very much welcome. But to compare it to purely English success is daft at best and insulting at worst, surely? To mention the Ryder Cup is equally stupid, I don't expect Nicolas Colsaerts was over the moon at the result :rolleyes:

[Mikey09]

Absolutely love watching Tennis. Murray is a top, top player and a credit to his country, (and Hibs!!).

However... This sport may be open to everyone to play but just you try getting a ticket for a top tournament! You have to be either minted or know someone! It's ****in ridiculous. the LTA ballot system is a farce. And there was about as much chance of getting a ticket for this final as a Stirling Uni Barmy Army member of paying for one without asking mummy or daddy... How were they allocated an entire block?! Maybe daddy knows someone who can "sort it out". :greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

Sadly, SH, you don't have to wait very long to find the issue. I would like to think given your background that you can see the issue from both sides better than most. I know someone very well who did not understand the ABE sentiment until he came to live here and saw the media bias for himself from a Scottish perspective - still a fully fledge Englishman who winds me up, but can take it in equal measure, but now understands why we get upset.

This GB success I very much welcome. But to compare it to purely English success is daft at best and insulting at worst, surely? To mention the Ryder Cup is equally stupid, I don't expect Nicolas Colsaerts was over the moon at the result :rolleyes:

An interesting point you make about the guy you know very well, I wonder what part of England he is from? The reason I ask is I can genuinely say that Scotland were extremely well supported around Liverpool when competing in any games shown on TV unless of course they were playing England. Not sure what support they got from the Southern softies but my experience in the North West was always very positive. So I like your friend was mystified when I came to Edinburgh as to the massive bias against England and indeed the whole ABE mentality. Twenty three years later I still don't get it, maybe because listening to a commentator doesn't really register with me as the only thing concerning me is the sport on show not what some over paid tit has to say about it.
Remember these commentators are predominantly English and so refer to such historic sporting successes when explaining the magnitude of the win to give a perspective of how great the achievement is. Do they say things like that because of some inner biased against Scotland.............I very much doubt it.

[Andy74]

An interesting point you make about the guy you know very well, I wonder what part of England he is from? The reason I ask is I can genuinely say that Scotland were extremely well supported around Liverpool when competing in any games shown on TV unless of course they were playing England. Not sure what support they got from the Southern softies but my experience in the North West was always very positive. So I like your friend was mystified when I came to Edinburgh as to the massive bias against England and indeed the whole ABE mentality. Twenty three years later I still don't get it, maybe because listening to a commentator doesn't really register with me as the only thing concerning me is the sport on show not what some over paid tit has to say about it.
Remember these commentators are predominantly English and so refer to such historic sporting successes when explaining the magnitude of the win to give a perspective of how great the achievement is. Do they say things like that because of some inner biased against Scotland.............I very much doubt it.

It's because they don't understand or recognise what they are saying. They are just equating Britain with England. I can see why that doesn't matter when you are English and it's all the same but when it is consistently repeated t is irritating. It's made even more obviously wrong when there is a strong Scots contribution to the event.

[ACLeith]

An interesting point you make about the guy you know very well, I wonder what part of England he is from? The reason I ask is I can genuinely say that Scotland were extremely well supported around Liverpool when competing in any games shown on TV unless of course they were playing England. Not sure what support they got from the Southern softies but my experience in the North West was always very positive. So I like your friend was mystified when I came to Edinburgh as to the massive bias against England and indeed the whole ABE mentality. Twenty three years later I still don't get it, maybe because listening to a commentator doesn't really register with me as the only thing concerning me is the sport on show not what some over paid tit has to say about it.
Remember these commentators are predominantly English and so refer to such historic sporting successes when explaining the magnitude of the win to give a perspective of how great the achievement is. Do they say things like that because of some inner biased against Scotland.............I very much doubt it.

He comes from Lancashire - Oldham supporter but wears a Hibs scarf when he manages to get to our games :thumbsup:

For me it's not just the commentators, it's the entire media. I certainly don't think they are inherently biased against Scotland, which in some ways would be easier to understand. It's based on a complete failure to realise that England is not the epicentre of the known world. I didn't see the match on Sunday as I was out with friends but if they did indeed compare the success to Man U winning the European Cup, I take it they didn't also mention Celtic being the first winners? I am guessing they didn't, which just goes to prove my point.

They are paid large sums of money to know the difference between England, Scotland, GB, Europe etc.

Your comments did get me thinking about my ABE attitude. I really only feel it when watching sports like Football and Rugby Union, not sports like tennis, golf, cricket, motor racing (Formula 1 and BTCC). What's the difference? The b****y commentators/media!

And BTW, I had an English grannie, long since deceased! And I am talking "serious" English i.e. SE England, not you pseudo-English folk who live closer to the border than you do to London :wink:

[GreenLake]

As far as I am concerned the result of the final was Belgium 1 Hibernian 3. :greengrin:flag::flag: