Natalie McGarry MP, surely not another one

[lucky]

Serious financial issues at Women for Independence. Guardian alleging that Natalie McGarry MP is under the spotlight

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/23/snp-mp-natalie-mcgarry-missing-donations-claim?CMP=share_btn_tw

Is that them down to 54?

[Mr Grieves]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/police-probe-missing-10-000-from-labour-party-coffers-1-3907487

People who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.


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[marinello59]

And the whataboutery card comes in to play early. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

i swear to god

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000185121/polls_rofl3_1733_556484_answer_3_xlarge.png

[Mr Grieves]

And the whataboutery card comes in to play early. :greengrin

You've got the self righteousness covered. Just need a few more SNP bad posts, some cybernat abuse and then we're done.

Only to be repeated on a completely different thread tomorrow night.


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[CropleyWasGod]

You've got the self righteousness covered. Just need a few more SNP bad posts, some cybernat abuse and then we're done.

Only to be repeated on a completely different thread tomorrow night.


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It all seems a bit like Adolf and Josep squabbling over the best use of the Sudetenland to me.

There, Godwin's covered an aw.

[lucky]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/police-probe-missing-10-000-from-labour-party-coffers-1-3907487

People who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.


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Big difference in the allegations, one is against a non elected Labour member the other is a MP. If any of them are guilty they will face justice but an MP always gets hammered

[marinello59]

Seriously though, McGarry is surely innocent until proven guilty. It's sad to see WFI having an issue like this, I reckon they were very influential in increasing the pro-yes vote over the course of the referundum campaign.

[hibsbollah]

It all seems a bit like Adolf and Josep squabbling over the best use of the Sudetenland to me.

There, Godwin's covered an aw.

We need to ignore Godwins and rediscover the power of making analogies.

[CropleyWasGod]

She's resigned the whip.

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[lucky]

I hope that she innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of there own.

But questions need to be asked off the SNP on their vetting and selection process as some reports in media saying the SNP knew in March. £30k is a lot of money, serious jail time IF she is guilty.

[ronaldo7]

She's resigned the whip.

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I think she's right to do so, I don't know the rules and regs for other parties but it would be nice to see them do the same.

Ruth Davidson, Carmichael, and Marie Rimmer.

https://t.co/w4AtT7hDEW

[Sergio sledge]

I think she's right to do so, I don't know the rules and regs for other parties but it would be nice to see them do the same.

Ruth Davidson, Carmichael, and Marie Rimmer.

https://t.co/w4AtT7hDEW

Yup, it takes the party out of the spotlight while the investigation is ongoing and they can be re-instated if they are innocent.

I must have missed the Ruth Davidson thing, whats all that about?

[Berwickhibby]

Just goes to show that SNP politicians are just as corrupt as the other parties


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[CropleyWasGod]

Just goes to show that SNP politicians are just as corrupt as the other parties


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Is the verdict in?

[ronaldo7]

Yup, it takes the party out of the spotlight while the investigation is ongoing and they can be re-instated if they are innocent.

I must have missed the Ruth Davidson thing, whats all that about?

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/2558/no-prosecution-after-police-scotland-investigation-into-ruth-davidson-postal-vote-comments

She was helping police with their enquiries, just like Natalie McGarry, and others.

[ronaldo7]

Should Marie Rimmer remove herself from the Party whip, or should Corbyn do it for her? She's been CHARGED with assault, the trial is set for April 2016, she denies the charges.

https://t.co/xzadAh0eZc

[steakbake]

I hope that she innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of there own.

But questions need to be asked off the SNP on their vetting and selection process as some reports in media saying the SNP knew in March. £30k is a lot of money, serious jail time IF she is guilty.

Yeah, bet you're biting your nails at this one, right enough! ;-)

[lord bunberry]

Should Marie Rimmer remove herself from the Party whip, or should Corbyn do it for her? She's been CHARGED with assault, the trial is set for April 2016, she denies the charges.

https://t.co/xzadAh0eZc
Our politicians really know how to set an example :rolleyes:. I'd love to see a list of criminal convictions for all our MPs and MSPs.

[marinello59]

Our politicians really know how to set an example :rolleyes:. I'd love to see a list of criminal convictions for all our MPs and MSPs.

All of them? What do you suggest we charge them with? :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

All of them? What do you suggest we charge them with? :greengrin
Anything will do, it doesn't seem to hinder their career opportunities :greengrin

[lucky]

Yeah, bet you're biting your nails at this one, right enough! ;-)

Whilst I don't particularly like her politics or the group that might have been robbed I certainly don't like the idea of someone stealing £30k from donations from people that do.

[snooky]

Should Marie Rimmer remove herself from the Party whip, or should Corbyn do it for her? She's been CHARGED with assault, the trial is set for April 2016, she denies the charges.

https://t.co/xzadAh0eZc
She has an appropriate surname if nothing else ;-)

[lucky]

Story in tomorrow's Record claiming McGarry paid back a 4 figure sum to WFI

[Moulin Yarns]

Story in tomorrow's Record claiming McGarry paid back a 4 figure sum to WFI


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/natalie-mcgarry-handed-four-figure-6909180


MP NATALIE McGarry handed a four-figure sum to Women for Independence before the group called in police, it emerged yesterday.
The embattled Glasgow East MP gave the cash to WFI, who she helped to found, after financial discrepancies were revealed in their accounts.

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The Record revealed on Monday WFI had called in police (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561) after an audit found£30,000 in donations is unaccounted for (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/second-financial-scandal-hits-indy-6881468).
Much of the money is understood to have been paid to a Paypal account linked to McGarry’s bank account.
The 34-year-old resigned the SNP whip on Tuesday (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/natalie-mcgarry-automatically-suspended-snp-6892903).
It’s understood McGarry accepts the bookkeeping of the group was poor and attempted to resolve the situation with the payment late this summer.
A source close to the MP said: “She was in the process of trying to sort out what was a shambles.”
Friends say she was “shocked and dismayed” when her collegues at WFI called in the police.
McGarry – who denies any wrongdoing – helped set up WFI as a small campaigning group in 2012 and was responsible for their finances before she became an MP.
The MP has offered to meet police to discuss the case but this has not yet happened.
The police have also not established any criminality took place.
McGarry’s solicitor Aamer Anwar said last night: “It would be inappropriate to comment until we have had an opportunity to provide the full facts to both WFI and the police.”

[marinello59]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/natalie-mcgarry-handed-four-figure-6909180


MP NATALIE McGarry handed a four-figure sum to Women for Independence before the group called in police, it emerged yesterday.
The embattled Glasgow East MP gave the cash to WFI, who she helped to found, after financial discrepancies were revealed in their accounts.

ADVERTISING













The Record revealed on Monday WFI had called in police (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561) after an audit found£30,000 in donations is unaccounted for (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/second-financial-scandal-hits-indy-6881468).
Much of the money is understood to have been paid to a Paypal account linked to McGarry’s bank account.
The 34-year-old resigned the SNP whip on Tuesday (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/natalie-mcgarry-automatically-suspended-snp-6892903).
It’s understood McGarry accepts the bookkeeping of the group was poor and attempted to resolve the situation with the payment late this summer.
A source close to the MP said: “She was in the process of trying to sort out what was a shambles.”
Friends say she was “shocked and dismayed” when her collegues at WFI called in the police.
McGarry – who denies any wrongdoing – helped set up WFI as a small campaigning group in 2012 and was responsible for their finances before she became an MP.
The MP has offered to meet police to discuss the case but this has not yet happened.
The police have also not established any criminality took place.
McGarry’s solicitor Aamer Anwar said last night: “It would be inappropriate to comment until we have had an opportunity to provide the full facts to both WFI and the police.”


Time for a Father Ted quote? :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

The Daily Rancid continue to try and smear Natalie McGarry, and even when told the truth, they can't bring themselves to print a correction.

*******s.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/an-absence-of-clarity/

[lucky]

The fact she went anywhere is irrelevant in the case of alleged missing money. Has she explained why she paid back £6k yet?

[Mibbes Aye]

The Daily Rancid continue to try and smear Natalie McGarry, and even when told the truth, they can't bring themselves to print a correction.

*******s.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/an-absence-of-clarity/

There's just something about you talking about smears and backing it up by linking to someone who smeared the Hillsborough dead that makes your post totally without credibility.

Why don't you stop quoting him. Why don't you just post your thoughts? I'm sure they are valid and worth hearing.

[ronaldo7]

There's just something about you talking about smears and backing it up by linking to someone who smeared the Hillsborough dead that makes your post totally without credibility.

Why don't you stop quoting him. Why don't you just post your thoughts? I'm sure they are valid and worth hearing.

Can you, for a minute, just read the story and comment on that, without having to troll to the past?

Is the story from the Daily Rancid correct?

Did they get in touch with Ms McGarry to confirm whether she went to Syria on taxpayers money or not?

Did they retract the story when she eventually de-bunked their slur?

Have you taken the Wings are ***** glasses off?

[ronaldo7]

The fact she went anywhere is irrelevant in the case of alleged missing money. Has she explained why she paid back £6k yet?

I thought you were on her side as well:wink:

I'm sure you said you wished she was innocent:rolleyes:

Can you tell us if Marie Rimmer has removed herself from the Labour Party? She is after all on the Justice committee in the commons representing Labour.

This lassie was "ACTUALLY CHARGED"

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/former-merseyside-council-leader-marie-7795001

[Mibbes Aye]

Can you, for a minute, just read the story and comment on that, without having to troll to the past?

Is the story from the Daily Rancid correct?

Did they get in touch with Ms McGarry to confirm whether she went to Syria on taxpayers money or not?

Did they retract the story when she eventually de-bunked their slur?

Have you taken the Wings are ***** glasses off?

I was commenting on your post, that's as current as it gets.

Straight challenge, post your own thoughts, like I do.

Or if you're going to post links to WoS and portray them as your own view then take a bit of a responsibility and defend his Hillsborough comments.

You can't have it both ways.

[ronaldo7]

Can you, for a minute, just read the story and comment on that, without having to troll to the past?

Is the story from the Daily Rancid correct?

Did they get in touch with Ms McGarry to confirm whether she went to Syria on taxpayers money or not?

Did they retract the story when she eventually de-bunked their slur?

Have you taken the Wings are ***** glasses off?


I was commenting on your post, that's as current as it gets.

Straight challenge, post your own thoughts, like I do.

Or if you're going to post links to WoS and portray them as your own view then take a bit of a responsibility and defend his Hillsborough comments.

You can't have it both ways.

Any answers to my questions?

[Mibbes Aye]

The Daily Rancid continue to try and smear Natalie McGarry, and even when told the truth, they can't bring themselves to print a correction.

*******s.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/an-absence-of-clarity/


There's just something about you talking about smears and backing it up by linking to someone who smeared the Hillsborough dead that makes your post totally without credibility.

Why don't you stop quoting him. Why don't you just post your thoughts? I'm sure they are valid and worth hearing.

This was the original exchange R7, why don't you respond to that :dunno:

[ronaldo7]

This was the original exchange R7, why don't you respond to that :dunno:

I happen to agree with his report on the Daily rancid regarding McGarry. Do you think the record were correct in what they printed? While your at it, could you respond to the other questions I posed to you.:greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

I happen to agree with his report on the Daily rancid regarding McGarry. Do you think the record were correct in what they printed? While your at it, could you respond to the other questions I posed to you.:greengrin

You've not answered the question. I take it you are happy to be associated with someone who smears the Hillsborough dead, because you keep quoting him. You've got a chance to disassociate yourself from him here.

If you don't, you have no credibility. You're just giving him publicity.

Is that what you're about?

[ronaldo7]

You've not answered the question. I take it you are happy to be associated with someone who smears the Hillsborough dead, because you keep quoting him. You've got a chance to disassociate yourself from him here.

If you don't, you have no credibility. You're just giving him publicity.

Is that what you're about?

Really?

I've posted a link on a thread regarding Natalie McGarry. One which I happen to agree with. It doesn't mean I agree with everything that person happens to have done in the past or will do in the future.

If you could try and stay on track of the thread which was about McGarry and not Hillsborough, I'd be obliged. If not, I'll leave you to fester with Wings forever.

I'll ask one last time.

Do you think the Record piece was correct, or do you think it was a smear on McGarry?

[Mibbes Aye]

Really?

I've posted a link on a thread regarding Natalie McGarry. One which I happen to agree with. It doesn't mean I agree with everything that person happens to have done in the past or will do in the future.

If you could try and stay on track of the thread which was about McGarry and not Hillsborough, I'd be obliged. If not, I'll leave you to fester with Wings forever.

I'll ask one last time.

Do you think the Record piece was correct, or do you think it was a smear on McGarry?

Do you need reminded?

You made a post about smears and quoted WoS.

If you stand by that link then stand by WoS and how he smeared the Hillsborough dead. Own it.

Otherwise, stop quoting him and repudiate him.

Either way, you should take a bit of responsibility, I'm assuming you're a grown man.

[ronaldo7]

Do you need reminded?

You made a post about smears and quoted WoS.

If you stand by that link then stand by WoS and how he smeared the Hillsborough dead. Own it.

Otherwise, stop quoting him and repudiate him.

Either way, you should take a bit of responsibility, I'm assuming you're a grown man.

Come on Mibbes eh. A grown man FFS.

As I've said, I've posted a link on ONE STORY regarding McGARRY which I happen to agree with. It doesn't mean I agree with anything and everything that the site has previously or will in the future post.

It's like saying I agree with everything I read or post on Hibs.net. Get real mate.

You may wish to reflect on this in the morning.

Cheers.

[Mibbes Aye]

Come on Mibbes eh. A grown man FFS.

As I've said, I've posted a link on ONE STORY regarding McGARRY which I happen to agree with. It doesn't mean I agree with anything and everything that the site has previously or will in the future post.

It's like saying I agree with everything I read or post on Hibs.net. Get real mate.

You may wish to reflect on this in the morning.

Cheers.

You've posted several links to WoS, for a fair while now. Take a bit of responsibility. It's not the first time it's been pointed out and you can do better than linking to a Hillsborough abuser, can't you?

[ronaldo7]

Can you, for a minute, just read the story and comment on that, without having to troll to the past?

Is the story from the Daily Rancid correct?

Did they get in touch with Ms McGarry to confirm whether she went to Syria on taxpayers money or not?

Did they retract the story when she eventually de-bunked their slur?

Have you taken the Wings are ***** glasses off?


Any answers to my questions?


I happen to agree with his report on the Daily rancid regarding McGarry. Do you think the record were correct in what they printed? While your at it, could you respond to the other questions I posed to you.:greengrin


Really?

I've posted a link on a thread regarding Natalie McGarry. One which I happen to agree with. It doesn't mean I agree with everything that person happens to have done in the past or will do in the future.

If you could try and stay on track of the thread which was about McGarry and not Hillsborough, I'd be obliged. If not, I'll leave you to fester with Wings forever.

I'll ask one last time.

Do you think the Record piece was correct, or do you think it was a smear on McGarry?


Come on Mibbes eh. A grown man FFS.

As I've said, I've posted a link on ONE STORY regarding McGARRY which I happen to agree with. It doesn't mean I agree with anything and everything that the site has previously or will in the future post.

It's like saying I agree with everything I read or post on Hibs.net. Get real mate.

You may wish to reflect on this in the morning.

Cheers.


I'll post this for the last time although, I know you're better than this.

I posted a link to Wings on the subject in question...Natalie McGarry. I agree with said link. It doesn't mean I agree with all subjects that the site has previously posted or will post in the future.

If you could respond to the questions I've asked on the thread, I'd be obliged, it's up to you.

If you wish to start a new thread on Hillsborough, I would be happy to respond.

Over to you.

[lucky]

I thought you were on her side as well:wink:

I'm sure you said you wished she was innocent:rolleyes:

Can you tell us if Marie Rimmer has removed herself from the Labour Party? She is after all on the Justice committee in the commons representing Labour.

This lassie was "ACTUALLY CHARGED"

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/former-merseyside-council-leader-marie-7795001

Again you use another case not connected to the subject matter to try and defend the SNP. You will one day realize that the SNP are not right on everything. The MP you call a "lassie" (67 year old woman) will be tried and face justice if guilty but is that going to get the missing money back from WFI?

[johnbc70]

Wings has become a bit of a joke and really is best ignored. As said on multiple other threads crack on with the blame everything and everyone on the No vote, only helps the No camp.

[Peevemor]

Do you need reminded?

You made a post about smears and quoted WoS.

If you stand by that link then stand by WoS and how he smeared the Hillsborough dead. Own it.

Otherwise, stop quoting him and repudiate him.

Either way, you should take a bit of responsibility, I'm assuming you're a grown man.

C'mon Mibbes you're better than that. Do you "stand" by the Daily Record (for example)? Everyone knows that you can't expect the whole picture (on anything) from the MSM, and that there are some very good sites/bloggers who publish stuff that would never be permitted by the multinationals who own the newspapers. Obviously, you can't believe everything you read, but that's always been the case.

[ronaldo7]

Again you use another case not connected to the subject matter to try and defend the SNP. You will one day realize that the SNP are not right on everything. The MP you call a "lassie" (67 year old woman) will be tried and face justice if guilty but is that going to get the missing money back from WFI?

You're right, I'll wait on the case being heard against Rimmer, and await to see if McGarry is actually charged with anything.

[bawheid]

Sheesh, this a tough read. It's stuff like the posts between R7 and MA that will eventually turn folk back off Scottish politics. Petty points scoring, whatabootery, evasive dodging of questions for fear of having to concede a point. It's all here.

Poor stuff.

[Hiber-nation]

Sheesh, this a tough read. It's stuff like the posts between R7 and MA that will eventually turn folk back off Scottish politics. Petty points scoring, whatabootery, evasive dodging of questions for fear of having to concede a point. It's all here.

Poor stuff.

:agree:

Spot on.

[Mibbes Aye]

C'mon Mibbes you're better than that. Do you "stand" by the Daily Record (for example)? Everyone knows that you can't expect the whole picture (on anything) from the MSM, and that there are some very good sites/bloggers who publish stuff that would never be permitted by the multinationals who own the newspapers. Obviously, you can't believe everything you read, but that's always been the case.

We should all be better than giving him the oxygen of publicity Peevemor.

Or is it okay to insult the memory of the Hillsborough dead if you can write a pithy line about being a Nat?

[Mibbes Aye]

Sheesh, this a tough read. It's stuff like the posts between R7 and MA that will eventually turn folk back off Scottish politics. Petty points scoring, whatabootery, evasive dodging of questions for fear of having to concede a point. It's all here.

Poor stuff.

If you go back through my posts on this or any of the other threads you'll find me asking the same questions, time and time again.

What's the reasoned case for independence?

How is nationalism relevant in the 21st century?

If the SNP government claims to be about social justice and tackling inequality, what policies is it implementing to actually achieve that?

This board is meant to be about debate. I'm asking some basic questions. I'm not getting any answers

[CapitalGreen]

Sheesh, this a tough read. It's stuff like the posts between R7 and MA that will eventually turn folk back off Scottish politics. Petty points scoring, whatabootery, evasive dodging of questions for fear of having to concede a point. It's all here.

Poor stuff.

I couldn't agree more, surely there is better ways to spend a Saturday night.

[ronaldo7]

Sheesh, this a tough read. It's stuff like the posts between R7 and MA that will eventually turn folk back off Scottish politics. Petty points scoring, whatabootery, evasive dodging of questions for fear of having to concede a point. It's all here.

Poor stuff.

Sorry for putting you through that mate. I'll be out for a while from now on.:aok:


We should all be better than giving him the oxygen of publicity Peevemor.

Or is it okay to insult the memory of the Hillsborough dead if you can write a pithy line about being a Nat?

It seems, in your Scotland, you're not allowed freedom of speech anymore. Soon we'll be burning books. Let's just post links that you agree with eh.

You continue to raise the spectre of Hillsborough. I've said on many occasions, that I agreed with the link that I posted on this thread (which was about Natalie McGarry and not Hillsborough). I've also asked you to open a new thread if you need to discuss Hillsborough, however it seems you don't want to...Your prerogative.

I've asked you to look at that link re McGarry and tell me if it's true or not, Has McGarry been smeared by the Daily Record? You don't seem to want to answer that either...Your prerogative


If you go back through my posts on this or any of the other threads you'll find me asking the same questions, time and time again.

What's the reasoned case for independence?

How is nationalism relevant in the 21st century?

If the SNP government claims to be about social justice and tackling inequality, what policies is it implementing to actually achieve that?

This board is meant to be about debate. I'm asking some basic questions. I'm not getting any answers

You were given my answer last on Independence, and I'm sure others have over the last wee while.

I only see it as a self determination thing, you know, like making and taking our own decisions, we have a Scottish Government that's done well for the last 8 years imo, and that's it, that's all, and I'm prepared to pay more to have it. I believe we can do better for the people of Scotland with all our resources.

I know you might not like it, but that's it.

Thanks for your discussion last night, even if it got a bit monotonous at times.

Have a good Christmas, and the foreseeable future...I'm out.:aok:

[Peevemor]

We should all be better than giving him the oxygen of publicity Peevemor.

Or is it okay to insult the memory of the Hillsborough dead if you can write a pithy line about being a Nat?

There's plenty info on the web about the WoS guy for anyone that wants to look for it. He may well have been out of order re. Hillsborough, but that doesn't mean he's wrong about everything.

The MSM, like nearly everything else, is controlled by the multinationals and if you want to remain properly informed you need to scour a multitude of sources. The problem is then what to believe.

The world's screwed and it's increasingly difficult to know who to trust.

[lucky]

Another financial accusation against McGarry

http://politicalscrapbook.net/

[lucky]

Now she is being sued over comments on Twitter after wrongly calling Alastair Cameron a holocaust denier. Really time she considered her position

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/mp-natalie-mcgarry-served-with-writ-over-holocaust-claim-1-4082348

[snooky]

.......

The world's screwed and it's increasingly difficult to know who to trust.

Ironically, this is the most accurate statement you'll ever find in any media source.

[Peevemor]

Ironically, this is the most accurate statement you'll ever find in any media source.

People give me funny looks when I say this and accuse me of being pessimistic or paranoid. I'm neither, just realistic.

[lucky]

She's now been charge by the police over theft and breech of trust. Wonder if the SNP will now suspend her party membership ?

[lord bunberry]

She's now been charge by the police over theft and breech of trust. Wonder if the SNP will now suspend her party membership ?
They certainly should.

[marinello59]

She's now been charge by the police over theft and breech of trust. Wonder if the SNP will now suspend her party membership ?

A real shame for Women for Independence who did some fantastic work to be dragged in to stuff like this. Innocent until proven guilty though.

[speedy_gonzales]

A real shame for Women for Independence who did some fantastic work to be dragged in to stuff like this. Innocent until proven guilty though.

I thought it was W4I that instigated the investigation after reporting missing money? They've done absolutely nothing wrong so hopefully shouldn't be tarred by any alleged fraudulent activities by Ms McGarry.

[marinello59]

I thought it was W4I that instigated the investigation after reporting missing money? They've done absolutely nothing wrong so hopefully shouldn't be tarred by any alleged fraudulent activities by Ms McGarry.

I agree. She was one of the leading lights though.

[snooky]

Thank goodness this appears to be an isolated incident.
Politicians have always been held in the highest esteem for their honesty and integrity.

If found guilty, she should resign or be binned. Not only will she have shamed herself but she will have tarnished her party and colleagues.

[stantonhibby]

I thought you were on her side as well:wink:

I'm sure you said you wished she was innocent:rolleyes:

Can you tell us if Marie Rimmer has removed herself from the Labour Party? She is after all on the Justice committee in the commons representing Labour.

This lassie was "ACTUALLY CHARGED"

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/former-merseyside-council-leader-marie-7795001


Now that McGarry has been ACTUALLY CHARGED you have nothing to say?

[ronaldo7]

Now that McGarry has been ACTUALLY CHARGED you have nothing to say?

I'm happy that due process is proceeding in this case, and if Natallie, or any politician has been found to break the law, then they should face the consequences.

Still waiting on the rimmer result.:wink:

[AndyM_1875]

Now that McGarry has been ACTUALLY CHARGED you have nothing to say?

McGarry is a social media car crash but as the charges are legal due process where there will likely be a trial then it's best to say nothing about them.

[Betty Boop]

I'm happy that due process is proceeding in this case, and if Natallie, or any politician has been found to break the law, then they should face the consequences.

Still waiting on the rimmer result.:wink:

Chris Law now being investigated over his financial dealings.

[ronaldo7]

Chris Law now being investigated over his financial dealings.

Seen that ta.:aok:

Here's a couple back at ya.:wink:

https://t.co/HWK00F1EbS

http://www.edinburghwesternsnp.org/alex-cole-hamilton-under-pressure-to-resign-party-whip/

[marinello59]

Seen that ta.:aok:

Here's a couple back at ya.:wink:

https://t.co/HWK00F1EbS

http://www.edinburghwesternsnp.org/alex-cole-hamilton-under-pressure-to-resign-party-whip/

Hopefully McGarry and Law hand these links to their lawyers straight away. That should see them cleared in no time.

[Beefster]

Hopefully McGarry and Law hand these links to their lawyers straight away. That should see them cleared in no time.

I tried that with Mrs Beefster once but no dice.

"Now, granted I had 10 pints and pished in the cupboard on the hoover but Malky had whisky chasers as well and he puked on his toddler..."

[ronaldo7]

Hopefully McGarry and Law hand these links to their lawyers straight away. That should see them cleared in no time.

So sarcastic John boy, you must be taking lessons.:greengrin

[One Day Soon]

Hopefully McGarry and Law hand these links to their lawyers straight away. That should see them cleared in no time.


:top marks

New politics. Different from Wastemonster. Furra people.

Everything is awesome...

[Moulin Yarns]

This puts anything the SNP MPs have done wrong in the shade.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37557985

[marinello59]

This puts anything the SNP MPs have done wrong in the shade.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37557985

You are using this to score political points?

[Moulin Yarns]

You are using this to score political points?

Am I? I don't vote SNP, so I don't see how it is point scoring. I am just pointing out some of the hypocrisy of those who take pleasure in attacking the parties they oppose. I suppose I could have started a new thread about naughty Labour politicians instead.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Am I? I don't vote SNP, so I don't see how it is point scoring. I am just pointing out some of the hypocrisy of those who take pleasure in attacking the parties they oppose. I suppose I could have started a new thread about naughty Labour politicians instead.



now THAT would be a 30+ pager....FACT

[marinello59]

Am I? I don't vote SNP, so I don't see how it is point scoring. I am just pointing out some of the hypocrisy of those who take pleasure in attacking the parties they oppose. I suppose I could have started a new thread about naughty Labour politicians instead.

I know you vote Green but you rarely mention Green policies, most of your posts are praising and defending one of the rival parties, the SNP.
I don't get how you highlighting this politician exposes the hypocrisy of anyone offering an opinion of others to be honest. It looks more like a case of 'what about?'

[Beefster]

This puts anything the SNP MPs have done wrong in the shade.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37557985

I'm sure he'll be dealt with accordingly but using your logic, Eric Joyce getting pished and punching folk is fine because it's not as bad as embezzlement.

This link might be useful (http://www.yourdictionary.com/whataboutery)

[McD]

I know you vote Green but you rarely mention Green policies, most of your posts are praising and defending one of the rival parties, the SNP.
I don't get how you highlighting this politician exposes the hypocrisy of anyone offering an opinion of others to be honest. It looks more like a case of 'what about?'


:agree:

The whataboutery that always comes up on threads relating to the SNP, from both sides, is really quite sad.

[lucky]

This puts anything the SNP MPs have done wrong in the shade.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37557985

Shocked at this. If guilty hope he is locked up. I've known him through the Labour Party for a number of years. He's worked for both MSPs & MPs and was chair of SPT.

[ronaldo7]

I hope that she innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of there own.

But questions need to be asked off the SNP on their vetting and selection process as some reports in media saying the SNP knew in March. £30k is a lot of money, serious jail time IF she is guilty.

I hope he's innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of their own. :aok: How are those vetting procedures holding up.:wink:

In all seriousness, this laddie was one for the Labour future and may have blotted his copybook.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/420480/labour-bosses-in-dark-for-months-over-sean-morton-being-accused-of-child-sex-offences/

[lucky]

I hope he's innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of their own. :aok: How are those vetting procedures holding up.:wink:

In all seriousness, this laddie was one for the Labour future and may have blotted his copybook.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/420480/labour-bosses-in-dark-for-months-over-sean-morton-being-accused-of-child-sex-offences/

I've never heard of him but if he's guilty I hope they hammer him.

But do you think it's appropriate to try and score political points over something as serious as this?

[Geo_1875]

I've never heard of him but if he's guilty I hope they hammer him.

But do you think it's appropriate to try and score political points over something as serious as this?

At what level of severity is it acceptable?

[Hibrandenburg]

I've never heard of him but if he's guilty I hope they hammer him.

But do you think it's appropriate to try and score political points over something as serious as this?

Isn't that the whole point of this thread?

[Peevemor]

I've never heard of him but if he's guilty I hope they hammer him.

But do you think it's appropriate to try and score political points over something as serious as this?

And if he's not guilty his career's finished anyway.

[Geo_1875]

And if he's not guilty his career's finished anyway.

Among Sun readers maybe. Anybody reading The Scotsman or listening to BBC might have missed the story.

[Peevemor]

Among Sun readers maybe. Anybody reading The Scotsman or listening to BBC might have missed the story.

In Moray it won't only be sun readers that know about it.

[Geo_1875]

In Moray it won't only be sun readers that know about it.

Isn't that normal behaviour in Moray?

[Peevemor]

Isn't that normal behaviour in Moray?

My mother's family are from Forres - I'll ask them. :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

I've never heard of him but if he's guilty I hope they hammer him.

But do you think it's appropriate to try and score political points over something as serious as this?

I couldnae help masel.:greengrin

Just thought it appropriate on a thread that you started about a politician letting their own down. I'm sure him and Kezia had a wonderful holiday in the States though.


Isn't that the whole point of this thread?


The point seemed lost on him.:wink:

[Beefster]

At what level of severity is it acceptable?

Somewhere more severe than stealing but less severe than paedophilia seems like a decent level.

[steakbake]

You can bet if this guy was a Nationalist and had accompanied Sturgeon on some kind of mission abroad, it wouldn't just be a side-interest story in the Sun. Vetting procedures, judgements etc would be getting called into question by all and sundry.

[Jack]

I hope he's innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of their own. :aok: How are those vetting procedures holding up.:wink:

In all seriousness, this laddie was one for the Labour future and may have blotted his copybook.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/420480/labour-bosses-in-dark-for-months-over-sean-morton-being-accused-of-child-sex-offences/

A fine example of what has become wrong with the media, not just in Scotland, but UK wide.

I'm sure those controlling the media will be able to justify it ... probably along the lines of it sold a tenners worth of extra copies.

****. The media, not just the sun. And we'll wait for the court case before we pass judgement on him. Won't we?

[lucky]

You can bet if this guy was a Nationalist and had accompanied Sturgeon on some kind of mission abroad, it wouldn't just be a side-interest story in the Sun. Vetting procedures, judgements etc would be getting called into question by all and sundry.

But he didn't accompany Kezia to the states. Both were in the states, she attended the DNC he was out campaigning in another state.

Also NS is FM where Kezia for now is leader of the third biggest party in Scotland. Greater emphasis on NS and her associates

[steakbake]

But he didn't accompany Kezia to the states. Both were in the states, she attended the DNC he was out campaigning in another state.

Also NS is FM where Kezia for now is leader of the third biggest party in Scotland. Greater emphasis on NS and her associates

For now! ;-)

[JeMeSouviens]

But he didn't accompany Kezia to the states. Both were in the states, she attended the DNC he was out campaigning in another state.

Also NS is FM where Kezia for now is leader of the third biggest party in Scotland. Greater emphasis on NS and her associates

Chin up, lucky, I think it'll take you and Kez at least another couple of years to fall to less than the Greens. :wink:

[--------]

I've never heard of him but if he's guilty I hope they hammer him.

But do you think it's appropriate to try and score political points over something as serious as this?



You obviously think it is. You started it - check your opening post. :rolleyes:

[Moulin Yarns]

Chin up, lucky, I think it'll take you and Kez at least another couple of years to fall to less than the Greens. :wink:

Depends what happens in May, Council elections coming up. :wink:

[lucky]

You obviously think it is. You started it - check your opening post. :rolleyes:

Read it again. I raised a possible fraud, which is linked to politics, Ronaldo raised the case of a Labour Party member being accused of child sex offences. Not the same thing in my opinion but might be to you

[lucky]

Chin up, lucky, I think it'll take you and Kez at least another couple of years to fall to less than the Greens. :wink:

Politics goes in circles I'm sure we will find our way back.......

[JeMeSouviens]

Politics goes in circles I'm sure we will find our way back.......

Sometimes they're ever decreasing ones, see under "Liberals".

[ronaldo7]

I hope that she innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of there own.

But questions need to be asked off the SNP on their vetting and selection process as some reports in media saying the SNP knew in March. £30k is a lot of money, serious jail time IF she is guilty.


I hope he's innocent. I hate the idea of a group being deceived by one of their own. :aok: How are those vetting procedures holding up.:wink:

In all seriousness, this laddie was one for the Labour future and may have blotted his copybook.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/420480/labour-bosses-in-dark-for-months-over-sean-morton-being-accused-of-child-sex-offences/


Read it again. I raised a possible fraud, which is linked to politics, Ronaldo raised the case of a Labour Party member being accused of child sex offences. Not the same thing in my opinion but might be to you

Really?

I thought the bits in bold were a clue as well. My post was a take off of your dig at another political party and their procedures, when all within your own party is not what it seems. With an influx of 100k people to a party, any party, you won't syphon out all the baddies.

Don't take it personally. As I've said on the thread, if "ANY" politician is guilty, they should feel the full force of the law.

I could have picked numerous stories on the Labour party, (too many to mention)

https://www.eurosupplychainjobs.com/news/North-Lanarkshire-Council-investigation-after-extremely-serious-procurement-allegations-5865

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/police-asked-investigate-fraud-allegations-12473211

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32545431

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11583743/Labour-hopeful-jailed-for-100k-festival-ticket-fraud.html

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/labour-mps-deny-expenses-fraud-claims-south-yorkshire-police-launch-probe-1577418

http://metro.co.uk/2010/10/18/final-straw-for-labour-mps-accused-of-expense-fraud-551755/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/disgraced-former-labour-mep-peter-7864645

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/labour-mp-charged-with-electoral-fraud-1289196.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/414064/Ex-Labour-minister-charged-with-expenses-fraud

https://www.desiblitz.com/content/asian-labour-candidate-arrested-fraud

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/10842582.Labour_confirms_fraud_probe_councillor_s_ resignation/

http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/labour-councillor-asked-resign-over-fraud-scandal

[lucky]

I knew exactly what you were doing but the McGarry case is linked to politics the other is not

[ronaldo7]

I knew exactly what you were doing but the McGarry case is linked to politics the other is not

It's all politics, especially someone who is going on jolly's to the USA, canvassing. How are those vetting procedures coming along?

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

It's all politics, especially someone who is going on jolly's to the USA, canvassing. How are those vetting procedures coming along?

A few posts up, you trumpeted the collapsr of the labour party.

Now you are rejoicing that the party you belive can do no wrong is ok, because its the same as labour.

Do you not see the potential problem of that attitude?

I wouldnt get too smug about the SNP ascendancy. It wasnt so long ago that labour were untouchable in Scotland.

Us scots seem to have quite sheepish tendencies, but that applies to falling out with parties as much as it does to falling in love with them.