I don't often agree with George Galloway, but. ..

[Hibbyradge]

Yeah, I know it's the Telegraph, but the Labour leadership really are looking more and more incompetent every week.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12007610/Jeremy-Corbyn-has-presided-over-Labours-worst-ever-week.-Until-next-week.html

[hibsbollah]

:dunno: I think he's been consistent and clear in his statements. He's leading Cameron in 'leadership' in the opinion polls and is closing the gap on voting intentions, Labour anywhere between 4 pts behind and level with, the Tories depending on which poll you look at. He's being crucified by the press of course, but we all knew that was going to happen.

[Geo_1875]

Corbyn hasn't done much wrong that I can see. Labour MPs should resign the whip if they don't want to support the democratically elected party leader. And George Galloway should concentrate on his own party.

[Hibbyradge]

:dunno: I think he's been consistent and clear in his statements. He's leading Cameron in 'leadership' in the opinion polls and is closing the gap on voting intentions, Labour anywhere between 4 pts behind and level with, the Tories depending on which poll you look at. He's being crucified by the press of course, but we all knew that was going to happen.

Which polls have you seen, Hibsbollah?

These are the latest one I've found.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/28/camerons-rating-down-corbyns-down-more/

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9551

[Hibbyradge]

Corbyn hasn't done much wrong that I can see. Labour MPs should resign the whip if they don't want to support the democratically elected party leader. And George Galloway should concentrate on his own party.


Corbyn hasn't done much wrong that I can see. Labour MPs should resign the whip if they don't want to support the democratically elected party leader. And George Galloway should concentrate on his own party.

Corbyn didn't resign the whip on any of the 533 occasions since 1997 he broke ranks.


And George Galloway should concentrate on his own party.

You want a politician to ignore the statements of other politicians?

That's about as likely as Jeremy Corbyn having veal for lunch today. :greengrin

The fact remains, Galloway's stance is right, and unless you're on the hard left of UK politics, Corbyn's responses about Paris and shoot to kill make him look extremely wishy washy.

[Hibbyradge]

I should also say that my point was about the party leadership, not just Corbyn.

John McDonnells call to disband MI5 and disarm the police was hugely embarrassing.

The subsequent denials and the subsequent unveiling of the photograph of him proudly displaying the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory's leaflet, which he had signed, made him look utterly incompetent and out of touch with the electorate.

The fact that his best defence against this idiotic situation that he has created is to say that he signed it without reading it, hardly reeks of competence.

Labour is no use to me if they're in permanent (dwindling) opposition. However, they better get their act together soon if they're to avoid that fate.

[hibsbollah]

Which polls have you seen, Hibsbollah?

These are the latest one I've found.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/28/camerons-rating-down-corbyns-down-more/

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9551

In a rush but here's one I was looking at...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-poll-numbers-v-ed-miliband-2015-11

[Baldy Foghorn]

GG is an odious trumpet, who should have been detained in the Big Brother house, to save the World from him..............

[Hibbyradge]

GG is an odious trumpet, who should have been detained in the Big Brother house, to save the World from him..............

This is true. :agree:

It is also true that even odious trumpets get it right from time to time.

[Beefster]

Man confirms other man's worldview.

[SHODAN]

It's funny that the only people telling me that Corbyn is doing so badly are the media.

[Baldy Foghorn]

This is true. :agree:

It is also true that even odious trumpets get it right from time to time.

You talking about me :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

You talking about me :greengrin

:thumbsup:

[Hibbyradge]

Ouch.

https://medium.com/@chrisdeerin/the-corbyn-show-is-already-over-but-let-s-keep-laughing-9e65520adaaf#.uanivjfz0

[Hibbyradge]

And George Galloway should concentrate on his own party.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/seumas-milne-finds-time-for-george-galloway/

[hibsbollah]

Ouch.

https://medium.com/@chrisdeerin/the-corbyn-show-is-already-over-but-let-s-keep-laughing-9e65520adaaf#.uanivjfz0

Those poll numbers, if accurate, aren't good but the rest of it is just a ranting, hysterical polemic.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/107/Voting-Intention-in-Great-Britain-Recent-Trends.aspx?view=wide

Ipsos MORI have them 4 points back, at the general election they were 7 points behind.

The articles you reference just show me that they are actually ****ting themselves that he might win.

[RyeSloan]

Those poll numbers, if accurate, aren't good but the rest of it is just a ranting, hysterical polemic. https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/107/Voting-Intention-in-Great-Britain-Recent-Trends.aspx?view=wide Ipsos MORI have them 4 points back, at the general election they were 7 points behind. The articles you reference just show me that they are actually ****ting themselves that he might win.

I honestly don't think anyone is ****ting themselves that he might win. It's pretty clear he has little support from the general public and even less from his own MP's.

McDonnell's appointment has been a predictable disaster from the start and really so has Corbyn's. A leader is meant to lead, set a direction and for his party to follow that lead...I've seen scant evidence of any of that or for that matter anyone ****ting themselves at the prospect of Corbyn sweeping to power.

[hibsbollah]

I honestly don't think anyone is ****ting themselves that he might win. It's pretty clear he has little support from the general public and even less from his own MP's.

McDonnell's appointment has been a predictable disaster from the start and really so has Corbyn's. A leader is meant to lead, set a direction and for his party to follow that lead...I've seen scant evidence of any of that or for that matter anyone ****ting themselves at the prospect of Corbyn sweeping to power.

The daily nonsensical scaremongering and downright lies from the Murdoch press shows exactly that. It's not even proportionate attack, lying about him not bowing at the cenotaph was the low point. Look at PMQs objectively, ive tried to. Corbyn has been generous skilful and persistent. Cameron has been evasive, aggressive and unconvincing. And just by saying 'McDonnells appointment is a disaster' doesn't make it so. The opinion polls don't make it so, so where else is the evidence?

[RyeSloan]

The daily nonsensical scaremongering and downright lies from the Murdoch press shows exactly that. It's not even proportionate attack, lying about him not bowing at the cenotaph was the low point. Look at PMQs objectively, ive tried to. Corbyn has been generous skilful and persistent. Cameron has been evasive, aggressive and unconvincing. And just by saying 'McDonnells appointment is a disaster' doesn't make it so. The opinion polls don't make it so, so where else is the evidence?

My opinion poll makes it so ;-)

If you are happy with McDonnell's performance then fair enough...his fiscal policy u turn was a mess, his recent denials around his 'demands' for the scrapping of MI5 was just embarrassing.

[Geo_1875]

The daily nonsensical scaremongering and downright lies from the Murdoch press shows exactly that. It's not even proportionate attack, lying about him not bowing at the cenotaph was the low point. Look at PMQs objectively, ive tried to. Corbyn has been generous skilful and persistent. Cameron has been evasive, aggressive and unconvincing. And just by saying 'McDonnells appointment is a disaster' doesn't make it so. The opinion polls don't make it so, so where else is the evidence?

The Tory front bench giggling and guffawing at PMQs as Corbyn references real people suffering real hardship should be on every newspapers front page. But strangely it isn't.

[Just Alf]

The Tory front bench giggling and guffawing at PMQs as Corbyn references real people suffering real hardship should be on every newspapers front page. But strangely it isn't.

That does drive me mad... I want to throw stuff at the TV sometimes!

The worst I think is Priti Patel, she often looks so smarmy and condescending (and other stuff with lots of sweary words in amongst it... You get the picture!)

[Hibbyradge]

It's funny that the only people telling me that Corbyn is doing so badly are the media.


Just the media? (https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/len-mccluskey-launches-attack-jeremy-corbyns-leadership)

[Stranraer]

:dunno: I think he's been consistent and clear in his statements. He's leading Cameron in 'leadership' in the opinion polls and is closing the gap on voting intentions, Labour anywhere between 4 pts behind and level with, the Tories depending on which poll you look at. He's being crucified by the press of course, but we all knew that was going to happen.

:agree: I think he has stuck to his principles; it is more likely that the press would go after anyone out of the "ordinary" i.e. the centre ground. He is right on Syria in my view and although I question the shadow chancellor's experience, I think Corbyn could win over a lot of people before 2020.

[Hibbyradge]

:agree: I think he has stuck to his principles; it is more likely that the press would go after anyone out of the "ordinary" i.e. the centre ground. He is right on Syria in my view and although I question the shadow chancellor's experience, I think Corbyn could win over a lot of people before 2020.

I don't think that's an endorsement.

Margaret Thatcher stuck to her principles. So did Stalin and Mao Zedong.

As did Godwin's subject whom I refuse to cite. :wink:

You could not meet a more principled man than Anders Breivik and he's in jail for his.

ISIS are principled too.

Doing the right thing is more important than sticking to principles.

[marinello59]

:agree: I think he has stuck to his principles; it is more likely that the press would go after anyone out of the "ordinary" i.e. the centre ground. He is right on Syria in my view and although I question the shadow chancellor's experience, I think Corbyn could win over a lot of people before 2020.

What is his view on Syria? He has told us what he thinks we shouldn't do but not what action we should take? That's not leadership.