Waghorn's escape

[givescotlandfreedom]

Waghorn evaded a booking here despite bring the instigator of the incident. He was already on a booking. Anyone care to explain how that isn't a second yellow? Fyvie was booked https://streamable.com/x79i

[jacomo]

Nope.

Handbags, but if Fyvie is booked then Waghorn has to be, doesn't he? Runs over and gives FF a push.

[Dashing Bob S]

Waghorn evaded a booking here despite bring the instigator of the incident. He was already on a booking. Anyone care to explain how that isn't a second yellow? Fyvie was booked https://streamable.com/x79i

Any pundit who truly believes a Hibs player wouldn't have walked for that, is a deluded bigot.

[SteveHFC]

Anyone see Halliday's punch. Should have been sent off for that.

[Eyrie]

Not just me that wondered about that and the clip shows why. Waghorn makes a conscious decision to run over and push Fyvie, which should have been a second yellow.

I'm not sure why Bartley got booked though - must have been something off screen because I think it was the linesman who pointed him out to the ref.

[Scott Allan Key]

Would it be plausible that this could be picked up by Compliance Officer for a second yellow for violent conduct?

[HoboHarry]

Watching the game I did not see Fyvie get booked?

[Eyrie]

Would it be plausible that this could be picked up by Compliance Officer for a second yellow for violent conduct?
No chance, because Waghorn plays for Sevco Huns.

[Dashing Bob S]

I'm maybe being a bit harsh on Waghorn. Perhaps the referee simply took pity on him as he's probably one of the worst ever players to play for Rangers, old and new.

[HoboHarry]

Would it be plausible that this could be picked up by Compliance Officer for a second yellow for violent conduct?
Violent Conduct can only be a red....

[Scott Allan Key]

Violent Conduct can only be a red....

That'd be more serious then. I can feel a merger.

[Jonnyboy]

I'm guessing Fraser was booked for the tackle that made Waghorn react as he did. Agree that Waghorn's reaction was a yellow card and thought the ref bottled it.

[Eyrie]

Watching the game I did not see Fyvie get booked?

He booked Halliday and Bartley first, then called Fyvie over and ignored Waghorn.

Fyvie lunged in and even allowing for the fact it was against a Sevco Hun player, it looked a fair booking to me.

[Billy Whizz]

Watching the game I did not see Fyvie get booked?

He got booked for the incident late on

[PeeJay]

Watching the game I did not see Fyvie get booked?

Watched on Hibs TV - I don't think Fyvie got booked in this particular incident - lucky not to get a red for a dangerous/stupid 2-footed tackle IMO. Waghorn should have seen a 2nd yellow ...

[HoboHarry]

I'm guessing Fraser was booked for the tackle that made Waghorn react as he did. Agree that Waghorn's reaction was a yellow card and thought the ref bottled it.
I would like to see the footage of where Fyvie was booked. I don't believe that he was......

[oconnors_strip]

Waghorn then slyly moved away so the ref forgot about him. Maybe the compliance officer will look at it...... Oops sorry forgot it was the Huns we played

[emerald green]

Waghorn evaded a booking here despite bring the instigator of the incident. He was already on a booking. Anyone care to explain how that isn't a second yellow? Fyvie was booked https://streamable.com/x79i

Maybe because the referee knew full well he would have to send him off?

[HoboHarry]

He got booked for the incident late on
Fair enough - I missed that then....

[Aldo]

I'm guessing Fraser was booked for the tackle that made Waghorn react as he did. Agree that Waghorn's reaction was a yellow card and thought the ref bottled it.

But it wasn't a foul JB. Superb challenge and even that plum Walker said it was.

CO should get into it but won't.

[Scott Allan Key]

Any pundit who truly believes a Hibs player wouldn't have walked for that, is a deluded bigot.

Agreed and a little campaign to ensure posthumous punishment would (successfully) ensue.

[Black Kyle]

You would like to think so. Ref dealt with the aftermath rather than the incident.

Having said that thought the ref had a fair game, gave some decisions to them, some to us and crucially some to neither team where he could easy have given spot kicks.

I thought he was itching to give the one in the first couple of minutes (Stevenson) and only didn't because his assistant didn't indicate anything amiss.

[Smartie]

To be fair to referees I can never work out who they are meant to book when you have these "handbags" skirmishes and who they are not meant to book.

So many people are pushing and shoving each other and for so long that it would be easy to forget how it all started.

Although, when you watch it back it is clear as day that Waghorn has run a long way to get involved by pushing Fyvie and you would expect one of the referee or his two linesmen to have noticed it all kick off with a shove as blatant as that.


TBH I don't think we can have too many complaints about the referee today given that I thought he missed an absolute stonewall penalty for them in the first minute. That's more of a game changer than not sending off one of their players in the 89th minute.

[KiddA]

Waghorn evaded a booking here despite bring the instigator of the incident. He was already on a booking. Anyone care to explain how that isn't a second yellow? Fyvie was booked https://streamable.com/x79i

Great tackle not sure why Fyvie and Bartley got booked :confused: the most annoying thing about the whole thing was those two cowards Waghorn and Halliday both acting the big hard men :rolleyes: but bottom line is both of them are a couple of soft fuds :agree:

[hibbydad]

Ref totally bottled it with Waghorn what was the west side linesman thinking about

[Steveey]

I would like to see the footage of where Fyvie was booked. I don't believe that he was......

100% Fyvie got booked straight after Halliday and Bartley did!

[truehibernian]

Rather then worry about Waghorn, how good was it seeing big Marvin race across and get into them as they surrounded Fraser (who himself got stuck into them)......even big Ox was in about them............terrific team spirit in the camp at present :aok: None of The Rangers players wanted involvement after big Marv was on the scene.

[Leithenhibby]

But it wasn't a foul JB. Superb challenge and even that plum Walker said it was.

CO should get into it but won't.

:agree:

The ref bottled it as he even stood watching Halliday, raise his hand to Bartley.

Big 3 points today :greengrin

[Aldo]

:agree: The ref bottled it as he even stood watching Halliday, raise his hand to Bartley. Big 3 points today :greengrin

Yip it shows that we also have strength in depth whereas they have their starting 11 and may struggle when injuries/suspensions kick in.

[Aldo]

Rather then worry about Waghorn, how good was it seeing big Marvin race across and get into them as they surrounded Fraser (who himself got stuck into them)......even big Ox was in about them............terrific team spirit in the camp at present :aok: None of The Rangers players wanted involvement after big Marv was on the scene.

Yip a TEAM that won't get bullied.

[R'Albin]

On a slightly unrelated note - what did Fathorn say about us again?

[Onion]

Ref totally bottled it with Waghorn what was the west side linesman thinking about

:agree: Of course he did. Turned a blind eye to lots of Hun transgressions today.

[MWHIBBIES]

Mutant ****.

[ronaldo7]

Rather then worry about Waghorn, how good was it seeing big Marvin race across and get into them as they surrounded Fraser (who himself got stuck into them)......even big Ox was in about them............terrific team spirit in the camp at present :aok: None of The Rangers players wanted involvement after big Marv was on the scene.

That's exactly how I saw it, and said so at the time. The whole team were up for it, and were ready for the battle if it came their way today.

Great to see the Team Spirit alive, kicking, and punching at Hibernian once again.:take that

[HoboHarry]

If Fyvie was booked then I think I am correct in saying that the CO cannot take further action against him whereas if the CO has the balls to he could charge Waghorn with Violent Conduct.....

[HoboHarry]

Posted this on the other thread but if Fyvie was booked then I think I am correct in saying that the CO cannot take further action against him whereas if the CO has the balls to he could charge Waghorn with Violent Conduct.....

[CentreLine]

Watched on Hibs TV - I don't think Fyvie got booked in this particular incident - lucky not to get a red for a dangerous/stupid 2-footed tackle IMO. Waghorn should have seen a 2nd yellow ...

If you saw two feet and had the benefit of TV replay then God help us. One of the best chalanges of the day imho

[PeeJay]

If you saw two feet and had the benefit of TV replay then God help us. One of the best chalanges of the day imho

That's certainly the way it looked to me at the time, on the TV replay too ... mind you, the referee missed it, it seems - easy to do, I suppose

[Onion]

Can only conclude that the ref thought Waghorn's 20 yard sprint and push on Fyvie was well deserved. Not sure which rule allows that but must be one as Wag wasn't even spoken to.

[gaz1875]

Thought both would get sent off for violent conduct, couldn't believe Waghorn escaped without another booking quite unbelievable really :confused:

[Bostonhibby]

:agree:

The ref bottled it as he even stood watching Halliday, raise his hand to Bartley.

Big 3 points today :greengrin
Agree, just a real shame that no one has told the referee that this apparition is not the team formerly known as Glasgow rangers so he could referee the game as it is rather than how he feels he has to.

Still, big result today and we got a few breaks.

Onwards and upwards. Well done Hibs.

[BoomtownHibees]

I think he's booked Fyvie for the tackle. If he then books Waghorn for the push then Fyvie would be booked for that as well meaning 2 reds

[ehf]

Thought both would get sent off for violent conduct, couldn't believe Waghorn escaped without another booking quite unbelievable really :confused:

As the incident unfolded we were rueing the fact that Waghorn was going to get a second yellow, and the headlines would be about us beating 'ten man rangers'. Utterly defied belief that he was allowed to skulk off unpunished.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Waghorn evaded a booking here despite bring the instigator of the incident. He was already on a booking. Anyone care to explain how that isn't a second yellow? Fyvie was booked https://streamable.com/x79i

I think FF was booked for the foul, which wasn't a foul because he clearly got the ball but the ref did give a free kick.

I watched it on telly and thought it was a bad challenge at the time but replay shows differently. But I can see why the Huns and ref thought it was a bad challenge.

So it shouldn't have been a free kick and FF and ****horn should have got the same punishment, whether it's a yellow or a talking to is debatable.

[Bishop Hibee]

What I liked about this is the players steamed in and were not intimidated by them. GIRUY!

[Stantons Angel]

Maybe because the referee knew full well he would have to send him off?

You are so right there!

Waghorn ran down that park to push wee Fyvie over without even being involved in the incident! He should have been first to be dealt with and sent off there and then!! The ref bottled it but booked Fyvie and BartIey right enough!
That wee thug HaIIiday should be dealt with by the compliance officer whether he wears a Rangers jersey or not! On the meIee he punched out at BartIey!

I heard on the radio that Warburton was complaining that the ref did not protect his "flair" players, this must be a joke then!

[Sir David Gray]

Is anyone genuinely surprised that Waghorn avoided a sending off during that incident?

Serious question.

[brog]

But it wasn't a foul JB. Superb challenge and even that plum Walker said it was.

CO should get into it but won't.

Unfortunately Fraser actually left the ground briefly when challenging. Refs are now told these are automatic yellow cards & potentially red. That's the way modern football is I'm afraid so I don't think we can argue too much with FF's card but Waghorn should have gone, if only for being an arrogant prat who thinks he's too good for this league. Great to see the Hibs players stand up to them, not seen that for some time.

[Aldo]

Unfortunately Fraser actually left the ground briefly when challenging. Refs are now told these are automatic yellow cards & potentially red. That's the way modern football is I'm afraid so I don't think we can argue too much with FF's card but Waghorn should have gone, if only for being an arrogant prat who thinks he's too good for this league. Great to see the Hibs players stand up to them, not seen that for some time.

Compared to the kung fu kick by Ball Brog it was pretty tame! Wag horns and the Huns reaction got players booked when lets face it he should of copped a 2nd yellow.

[JimBHibees]

Maybe because the referee knew full well he would have to send him off?

Exactly that. Bottled it, one rule for one, one for another as per. What was Waghorn moaning about with the booking also awful tackle.

This is the same ref that red carded Handling last season for a booking at worse tackle. The tackle by Ball was quite simply a nailed on red card.

[JimBHibees]

To be fair to referees I can never work out who they are meant to book when you have these "handbags" skirmishes and who they are not meant to book.

So many people are pushing and shoving each other and for so long that it would be easy to forget how it all started.

Although, when you watch it back it is clear as day that Waghorn has run a long way to get involved by pushing Fyvie and you would expect one of the referee or his two linesmen to have noticed it all kick off with a shove as blatant as that.


TBH I don't think we can have too many complaints about the referee today given that I thought he missed an absolute stonewall penalty for them in the first minute. That's more of a game changer than not sending off one of their players in the 89th minute.

Quite simply not a pen, no contact boy dived.

Only reason it was a stramash was Waghorn as nothing was happening until he brought his fat ass into the equations. Yet other players got booked. Joke.

[JimBHibees]

What I liked about this is the players steamed in and were not intimidated by them. GIRUY!

Agree entirely. Great to see.

[hibees 7062]

On a slightly unrelated note - what did Fathorn say about us again?

MARTYN WAGHORN, the striker who signed a three-year deal with Rangers on Monday, has described Hibs as “pretty basic” and “nothing great” ahead of their Petrofac Training Cup match at Easter Road on Saturday

[Libby Hibby]

Is anyone genuinely surprised that Waghorn avoided a sending off during that incident?

Serious question.

I couldn't believe he got let off, it was him that instigated the 'handbags'...fair play for the rest of the side for being there for each other...sadly lacking in previous seasons...big Marv steaming in brought a smile to my face

[Ricky Bobby]

Ref bottled it by not sending off Waghorn. How he can book Fyvie and not him is ridiculous. Also thought Halliday was lucky to stay on, he seemed to give Marv a dig in the face through a crowd of players.

[Bayern Bru]

Waghorn could get done by Compliance Officer as no action was taken at the time. Pretty sure hands raised is a straight red for violent conduct - and Fyvie could be in trouble too if he was booked for the "foul" rather than the bust-up.

Incidentally, the referee's guidelines include this interesting extract:

If a mass confrontation occurs, manage it without directly engaging the players – keep your hands off them. Identify the responsible players and those who run from a distance to become involved.

:hmmm:

[brog]

Let's see if we have "Trial by Sportscene" tonight or does that only apply to players not from the uglies?

[Jonnyboy]

Worth watching again

https://streamable.com/x79i

FF reacts to Waghorn running ten yards to push him in the back. Halliday striked Bartley in the face. Meanwhile, Waghorn disappears from the incident, knowing he's in the wrong and deserves a yellow.

[greenlex]

Great tackle not sure why Fyvie and Bartley got booked :confused: the most annoying thing about the whole thing was those two cowards Waghorn and Halliday both acting the big hard men :rolleyes: but bottom line is both of them are a couple of soft fuds :agree:

I'll be honest the tackle was wreck less with studs up even though he got the ball. Yellow card challenge for me.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Let's see if we have "Trial by Sportscene" tonight or does that only apply to players not from the uglies?

Pretty sure it was Celtic and/or the original Rangers that coined the phrase "trial by Sportscene"?

[Springbank]

Pretty sure it was Celtic and/or the original Rangers that coined the phrase "trial by Sportscene"?

Check the last three Rangers match reports on either bbc or scotsman

Each one says "Rangers striker Martyn waghorn could consider himself lucky to avoid a red card after hitting out at an opponent "

It's a recurring theme now the goals have dried up

[Mcpakeisgod]

It was great challenge aswell

[Bayern Bru]

Check the last three Rangers match reports on either bbc or scotsman

Each one says "Rangers striker Martyn waghorn could consider himself lucky to avoid a red card after hitting out at an opponent "

It's a recurring theme now the goals have dried up

Is Tony McGlennan on holiday then?

[Baldy Foghorn]

Should have been booked for tackle on Gray in first half, he hets booked for a shocker, remonstrates that he did nothing wrong, then raises his arms to Fyvie....

Stays on park, new Club, still getting away with murder though................