If only she'd been armed.

[Hibbyradge]

And the puppy too...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34450841

[TRC]

saw this today and thought exactly the same that some nut job in USA would try and say that if the girl had a gun.

[Hibrandenburg]

559 incidents this year involving kids and guns. From the outside looking in you could be forgiven for thinking that Americans love their guns more than their children.

[Beefster]

From the outside looking in you could be forgiven for thinking that Americans love their guns more than their children.

Only if you were into sweeping generalisations. There are over 300 million Americans. The majority of whom want tighter gun control.

PS I think the OP is a bit flippant given the circumstances.

[hibsbollah]

Only if you were into sweeping generalisations. There are over 300 million Americans. The majority of whom want tighter gun control.

PS I think the OP is a bit flippant given the circumstances.

Indeed. I know a lot of Americans and exactly 100% of them would support gun control legislation . This may be because of the liberal circles I travel in though. It's also a geographic and cultural schism; people who want the right to bear arms without restriction tend to be more rural and live in the south and central states. Senators are primarily interested in funding for election campaigns; if their wealthy financial backers start to put pressure on then you'll see a change in how the senators vote, not before. It's all about money. In the meantime, the politicians will ignore the majority of Americans and side with the 5 million NRA members.

[Hibbyradge]

Only if you were into sweeping generalisations. There are over 300 million Americans. The majority of whom want tighter gun control.

PS I think the OP is a bit flippant given the circumstances.

It was a satirical remark about the NRA's standard response to almost any shooting, Beefster.

They would arm church goers, primary school teachers, university lecturers and doctors and nurses, among many others. That's flippant.

We could debate how the 11 year old got access to a gun in the first place, but that wasn't my point.

Killings are so common place now, it's become the norm and most of them don't even get reported. The same day as the Oregon mass shooting, there was another in Florida in which 4 people died, which didn't even get a mention in the UK!

Of course it's yet another tragedy, and a terrible shame for the girl's family, but my post will have exactly the same affect them as if I'd typed "RIP My thoughts are with the family".

[Hibrandenburg]

Only if you were into sweeping generalisations. There are over 300 million Americans. The majority of whom want tighter gun control.

PS I think the OP is a bit flippant given the circumstances.

Even if it is a sweeping generalisation the number is too high.559 kids killed or injured by firearms this year alone.the UK population is about 20% of the US but there's no way if we had 110 child gun killings and injuries that it would receive nearly as much acceptance as over there. I know I'm comparing apples and pears culture wise but the way I see it is that killing is unfortunately a part of human nature and the guns are culture, now you can't change human nature but you sure as hell can try and change your culture.

[Hibbyradge]

Why do some mass shootings make the news and some don't?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34428946

[Hannah_hfc]

Unfortunately I can only see these incidents continue to happen in the US. Innocent people will lose their lives in everyday scenarios be it going to school, Church or cinemas (as we have seen in the past) the press will be all over gun control for the following few weeks and then nothing will come of it.

Gave up any hope of America sorting it out after the Sandy Hook tragedy. If zilch is done after young school children losing their lives then what will make them act.

The NRA need a serious rethink of their own morals. I can't understand why they won't compromise on tight gun control laws without an overall ban on firearms ( I can't see the latter ever happening).


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[Keith_M]

In a recent survey (http://www.gallup.com/poll/179045/less-half-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx), only 47% of Americans were in favour of tighter Gun Control.

[hibsbollah]

In a recent survey (http://www.gallup.com/poll/179045/less-half-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx), only 47% of Americans were in favour of tighter Gun Control.


Youre right, it's definitely shifted, although it was a majority for control just last year. Very close.

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

[The Gorf]

Apparently, since. 2001, the number of Americans killed by terrorism in the USA itself was approx 3500. Take away the 3000 killed on 9/11. That's about 500. NOW! Over the same period. The number of Americans killed by guns in the USA itself is ............. nearly 500,000 HALF A MILLION.

Tell that to the NRA?

[NAE NOOKIE]

Apparently, since. 2001, the number of Americans killed by terrorism in the USA itself was approx 3500. Take away the 3000 killed on 9/11. That's about 500. NOW! Over the same period. The number of Americans killed by guns in the USA itself is ............. nearly 500,000 HALF A MILLION.

Tell that to the NRA?

That's the biggest joke of the lot ..... The USA spends billions every year fighting a terrorist threat that in actual fact has killed no more than a relative handful of US civilians since the start of the century ...... in that same period American's killed by Yank on Yank gun violence runs into the hundreds of thousands.

If the government turned round and said 'ho hum that's life eh' we're not gonna' bother spending money fighting terrorism the 'right wing' would go into meltdown, calling them un American etc .... Talk about barmy :confused:

[--------]

Only if you were into sweeping generalisations. There are over 300 million Americans. The majority of whom want tighter gun control.

PS I think the OP is a bit flippant given the circumstances.

I seem to remember Michael Moore being told that "Bowling For Columbine" was "irresponsible journalism" because it treated a serious subject in "a flippant and superficial manner". That documentary was released in 2002. Since then the frequency of such mass killings in the States seems only to have increased, and the country's legislators are entirely unwilling to do anything about it for the most craven and corrupt of motives - fear and greed.

In effect, Senators and Congressmen (and Congresswomen) sell their votes to the NRA to preserve the status quo and allow the blood-letting to continue. In this way they keep their places in the National and State legislatures - and their fat expense accounts, their salaries, and their seats on the political gravy-train.

You need to be REALLY flippant to behave like that while kids are being killed.



It was a satirical remark about the NRA's standard response to almost any shooting, Beefster.

They would arm church goers, primary school teachers, university lecturers and doctors and nurses, among many others. That's flippant.

We could debate how the 11 year old got access to a gun in the first place, but that wasn't my point.

Killings are so common place now, it's become the norm and most of them don't even get reported. The same day as the Oregon mass shooting, there was another in Florida in which 4 people died, which didn't even get a mention in the UK!

Of course it's yet another tragedy, and a terrible shame for the girl's family, but my post will have exactly the same affect them as if I'd typed "RIP My thoughts are with the family".

Jonathan Swift: "A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People From Being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Publick".

Stanley Kubrick: "Dr Strangelove".

Both considered to be in extremely bad taste when they appeared. You have a fair ways to go before you become REALLY offensive, Mr Radge. But you're in good company.

[Pretty Boy]

I always think The Simpsons, in it's glorious heyday, captured the gun debate perfectly in the episode where Homer buys a gun and joins the Springfield NRA.

Homer - I have to own a gun it's in the comstitution

Lisa - Dad, the second amendment is just a remnant of revolutionary days. It has no meaning today.

[Hibbyradge]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34507760

[snooky]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34507760

Was about to open a new thread on this but just spotted your post.

Only in America :rolleyes: :idiot: