His name is Craig Thomson, he plays for Newtongrange

[MJN1875]

Sorry to bring up such a controversial subject, but can I just ask anyone in the know,

Why and how was this allowed to happen? Total disgrace that he's even allowed to play at any level. I mean seriously if you played with him, how could you?

And surely he's a serious target for those in other teams?

[hibeemikey21]

Sorry to bring up such a controversial subject, but can I just ask anyone in the know,

Why and how was this allowed to happen? Total disgrace that he's even allowed to play at any level. I mean seriously if you played with him, how could you?

And surely he's a serious target for those in other teams?

Been playing with the juniors for a while now.

Excuse the pun.

[JDT]

Thomson's been playing juniors for about 3 years now. He's a sitting midfielder more often than not but I've seen him play elsewhere and he's the gobbiest wee sh##e you've ever seen. As much as i hate to admit it there is a footballer in there and it wouldn't surprise me if a Berwick Rangers (who've got history for signing junior players) took a closer look at him. It would all depend if the team in question could take the bad publicity that goes with signing him.

[andyf5]

Why and how was this allowed to happen? Total disgrace that he's even allowed to play at any level. I mean seriously if you played with him, how could you?


Better using his energy playing football than something else. He will be known for the rest of his life for his crime.

[theonlywayisup]

Sorry to bring up such a controversial subject, but can I just ask anyone in the know,

Why and how was this allowed to happen? Total disgrace that he's even allowed to play at any level. I mean seriously if you played with him, how could you?

And surely he's a serious target for those in other teams?

The guy made a serious mistake, I'm not denying that. But in life, we should always try give people a second chance to correct for these mistakes, no matter how hard that can be.

I don't know Craig Thomson, I don't really know what he did and I'm not trying to defend his past actions. However, I hope he has learnt from his mistake. I also hope that people let him get on with his life, assuming what he is doing is lawful and legal.

[Stax]

Never been more confused reading a thread till I realised we're not talking about a referee :greengrin

[Smartie]

I don't think that in playing football for Newtongrange he represents a danger to kids.

He made a dreadful mistake and has had to pay a heavy price for it. What he did was totally wrong and as a result there are things that he should never be able to do again.

But he needs to be left alone to rehabilitate and get on with his life and he should be allowed to play for his team in peace.

[norhfc]

Was at a Newtongrange v Kelty Hearts game recently. The Kelty fans where pretty brutal with Thomson, singing pedo when he was on the ball. Saying that they where pretty brutal in general with maroon scarfs and drinking Bucky from the bottle.

[Itsnoteasy]

The guy made a serious mistake, I'm not denying that. But in life, we should always try give people a second chance to correct for these mistakes, no matter how hard that can be.

I don't know Craig Thomson, I don't really know what he did and I'm not trying to defend his past actions. However, I hope he has learnt from his mistake. I also hope that people let him get on with his life, assuming what he is doing is lawful and legal.

I take it you don't have kids. Would you be saying the same if it was your kids that were involved. Don't think soike that should have their nuts ripped off.
Deserves every bit of abuse that comes his way.

[Forza Fred]

The guy made a serious mistake, I'm not denying that. But in life, we should always try give people a second chance to correct for these mistakes, no matter how hard that can be.

I don't know Craig Thomson, I don't really know what he did and I'm not trying to defend his past actions. However, I hope he has learnt from his mistake. I also hope that people let him get on with his life, assuming what he is doing is lawful and legal.

Some will vehemently disagree with you, and would hang him from the nearest Sighthill lamppost.

However you are right when you said he made a mistake...one that has changed his life forever, and not for the better.

He deserves that, but I don't get any pleasure bringing his name up and gloating about how sad he is.

Leave him to his lonely, dustbin existence I say...I'm quite happy if I never hear of him again.

[MJN1875]

Na, a mistake isn't trying to have sex with 12 year olds that you know are 12!

Oh whoops I didn't mean I send a 12 yr old that message just a mistake???

Behave. That's obv his sexual preference and that will never change just as someone who is straight or gays preference will never change.

He's clearly a massive danger to children, and should have restrictions on being anywhere near a child for the rest of his life.

Shame on Newtongrange for even considering this never mind signing him. Whoever made that decision is clearly a weirdo.

And glad to hear he was getting abuse at that game, long may it continue.

I would have left if I played for a team who signed a sex offender.

But how anyone could say he deserves a second chance I will never know.

[HappyHanlon]

Once a beast, always a beast

[MJN1875]

Once a beast, always a beast

Couldn't agree more.

How any of his team mates can even play with him never mind talk to him or share a changing room with him I will never know.

Is it just because he's not your typical looking nonce and he's an ex footballer he gets away with this?

[Bostonhibby]

I don't get the mistake angle myself at all. To do what he did required quite a bit of deliberate decision making. Maybe getting caught would be his personal "mistake" I don't care if I never hear about him again but can understand why some might not let him forget, and this type of offender tends to need watching.

[scoopyboy]

I don't understand why he even bothers playing football, he's bound to realise he's going to get abuse every week.

Deserved abuse I may add.

[Cabbage East]

Just read the details as I couldn't remember the specifics as it was a while ago now. This wasn't a mistake or a one off, it related to three different girls. One was 12.

Grim stuff.

[ScottB]

I don't understand why he even bothers playing football, he's bound to realise he's going to get abuse every week.

Deserved abuse I may add.

More to the point why any club, at any level would seek to expose themselves to the abuse that will come to him, and them by association.

Not that they would, but I'd imagine Easter Road would be a ghost town if we ever signed a player who had committed his crimes. I struggle to see any benefit, even if he would be considered a pretty good player at the level Newtongrange are at.

[MJN1875]

Just read the details as I couldn't remember the specifics as it was a while ago now. This wasn't a mistake or a one off, it related to three different girls. One was 12.

Grim stuff.

Exactly my point. No mistake made here, he knew the girls and their profiles clearly stated there age.
He set out to have sex with girls who were under 13 never mind under 16, he's a proper 100% nonce.
The only difference with him and Gary glitter is he was caught before he met the girls.
I'd really like to hear from a player at Newton grange and hear their opinion on the situation. I'd like to think they all hate him.

[Pete]

Once a beast, always a beast

Has that been scientifically proven or is it just something people say?

[hibeemikey21]

Thomson's been playing juniors for about 3 years now. He's a sitting midfielder more often than not but I've seen him play elsewhere and he's the gobbiest wee sh##e you've ever seen. As much as i hate to admit it there is a footballer in there and it wouldn't surprise me if a Berwick Rangers (who've got history for signing junior players) took a closer look at him. It would all depend if the team in question could take the bad publicity that goes with signing him.

Can't believe he's a mouthpiece. You'd have thought someone in his position would be best advised to keep his head down and mouth shut.

[MJN1875]

Has that been scientifically proven or is it just something people say?

Scientifically proven mate.

No cure for being a nonce just as there is no cure for being straight gay or bi.

[theonlywayisup]

I take it you don't have kids. Would you be saying the same if it was your kids that were involved. Don't think soike that should have their nuts ripped off.
Deserves every bit of abuse that comes his way.

Three kids actually. And if it was my kids, I wouldn't be saying what I've said.

However, our justice system in this country is designed to give everyone (apart from a few extreme cases) a second chance. That's all I'm saying.

As Forza Fred said "Leave him to his lonely, dustbin existence I say...I'm quite happy if I never hear of him again." I agree with that!

[MJN1875]

Three kids actually. And if it was my kids, I wouldn't be saying what I've said.

However, our justice system in this country is designed to give everyone (apart from a few extreme cases) a second chance. That's all I'm saying.

As Forza Fred said "Leave him to his lonely, dustbin existence I say...I'm quite happy if I never hear of him again." I agree with that!

Your missing the point, a second chance shouldn't be given to people like this. He's a disgusting person and a complete beast. He's a danger to children and still to this day shouldn't be walking the streets.

[H18 SFR]

Always a tricky situation, do we look to reintegrate convicted sex offenders into society or find an alternative?

If if we chose to support offenders in order to reduce the risk of reoffending then allowing them to work, socialise and play team sports is important. I'm sure somewhere down the line he has discussed his conviction with his team mates and they're looking to support him and help him to reflect on the shocking choices he made.

Is is he a convicted sex offender? Yes! Can he and should he still contribute to society? Yes!

[MJN1875]

Always a tricky situation, do we look to reintegrate convicted sex offenders into society or find an alternative?

If if we chose to support offenders in order to reduce the risk of reoffending then allowing them to work, socialise and play team sports is important. I'm sure somewhere down the line he has discussed his conviction with his team mates and they're looking to support him and help him to reflect on the shocking choices he made.

Is is he a convicted sex offender? Yes! Can he and should he still contribute to society? Yes!

Does he still look st 12 year old girls and find them sexually attractive?

Yes.

Should someone like that be allowed to walk the streets and play for a football team that probably has 12 year old girls watching?

No.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Does he still look st 12 year old girls and find them sexually attractive?

Yes.

Should someone like that be allowed to walk the streets and play for a football team that probably has 12 year old girls watching?

No.


how do you know this ?:confused:

[Future17]

Does he still look st 12 year old girls and find them sexually attractive?

Yes.

Should someone like that be allowed to walk the streets and play for a football team that probably has 12 year old girls watching?

No.

You've made quite a few assumptions and generalisations on this thread. I know it's an emotive subject, but stating things as facts when you simply don't have that knowledge is unhelpful IMO.

Are you of the opinion that there can be no rehabilitation for anyone who has committed a crime, or is it just certain crimes? If it's just certain crimes, which ones would be acceptable for a Junior player to have committed?

[CropleyWasGod]

Scientifically proven mate.

No cure for being a nonce just as there is no cure for being straight gay or bi.
No cure for being straight, gay or bi? :)

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[Scouse Hibee]

Scientifically proven mate.

No cure for being a nonce just as there is no cure for being straight gay or bi.

Why would there be a cure for being straight, gay or bi? They are not an illness, you sound like a dinosaur with comments like that.

[H18 SFR]

Does he still look st 12 year old girls and find them sexually attractive?

Yes.

Should someone like that be allowed to walk the streets and play for a football team that probably has 12 year old girls watching?

No.

I'm not quite sure this is definitely the case. Often in these types of cases there is much more than meets the eye. As part of his punishment he would have engaged with professionals to reflect upon his behaviour and choices. This often acts as a stimulus leading towards remorse and full understanding of one's actions.

What at would you rather happens in these cases?

[H18 SFR]

Scientifically proven mate.

No cure for being a nonce just as there is no cure for being straight gay or bi.

Can you direct me towards your source/reference for this, I'm intrigued.

[MJN1875]

how do you know this ?:confused:

Because that's his sexual preference. That's obviously who he's attracted to, hence why he was trying to have sex with them.

That doesn't just go away because you got caught ffs.

He's a danger and shouldn't be anywhere near a football team.

[MJN1875]

You've made quite a few assumptions and generalisations on this thread. I know it's an emotive subject, but stating things as facts when you simply don't have that knowledge is unhelpful IMO.

Are you of the opinion that there can be no rehabilitation for anyone who has committed a crime, or is it just certain crimes? If it's just certain crimes, which ones would be acceptable for a Junior player to have committed?

No, every criminal can be rehabilitated, apart from sex offenders. Rapists and paedos are turned on by what they do, you can't change someone's sexual preference.

I'm attracted to adult women. That's never going to change.

[MJN1875]

No cure for being straight, gay or bi? :)

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I don't feel you have to be cured as such if your any of the above.

My point is, if you are straight or gay or bi, nobody will EVER change that.

Just as if someone is attracted to pre teenage girls and they get caught, they won't just start not being attracted to them.

Fact is the guys a nonce end of.

[MJN1875]

Why would there be a cure for being straight, gay or bi? They are not an illness, you sound like a dinosaur with comments like that.

No it's just an example that you can't change your sexual orientation. Unfortunately, his is young girls who aren't even in secondary school yet.

Disgusting guy, total disgrace.

[MJN1875]

I'm not quite sure this is definitely the case. Often in these types of cases there is much more than meets the eye. As part of his punishment he would have engaged with professionals to reflect upon his behaviour and choices. This often acts as a stimulus leading towards remorse and full understanding of one's actions.

What at would you rather happens in these cases?

Duno what to do with these evil horrible people. He never even did time for it which was a disgrace in itself.

Certainly wouldn't have him playing for a football club anyway.

Personally I would refuse to work with a sex offender especially him.

[MJN1875]

Can you direct me towards your source/reference for this, I'm intrigued.

You can't change what your sexually attracted to, simple.

As was stated previously by another poster, once a nonce always a nonce.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[MJN1875]

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Sorry only just realised this had been moved so had to answer the questions!

[Pete]

Because that's his sexual preference. That's obviously who he's attracted to, hence why he was trying to have sex with them.

That doesn't just go away because you got caught ffs.

He's a danger and shouldn't be anywhere near a football team.


No, every criminal can be rehabilitated, apart from sex offenders. Rapists and paedos are turned on by what they do, you can't change someone's sexual preference.

I'm attracted to adult women. That's never going to change.


I don't feel you have to be cured as such if your any of the above.

My point is, if you are straight or gay or bi, nobody will EVER change that.

Just as if someone is attracted to pre teenage girls and they get caught, they won't just start not being attracted to them.

Fact is the guys a nonce end of.


No it's just an example that you can't change your sexual orientation. Unfortunately, his is young girls who aren't even in secondary school yet.

Disgusting guy, total disgrace.


You can't change what your sexually attracted to, simple.

As was stated previously by another poster, once a nonce always a nonce.

I think your taking your personal opinion and passing it off as fact.

There is a theory that you can't change your feelings if you are a paedophile, as that can be classified as a sexual orientation (I don't think there's any scientific proof though).

However, Thomson isn't a paedophile as he isn't attracted to pre-pubescent children (as far as I know). His sexual orientation is straight and his crime involved those who were under the age of consent.

Who is to say that his tastes in girls/women won't change as he gets older as he might himself be mentally immature?

The point is that there are far too many variables when it comes to cases like this and the "once a nonce" certainly shouldn't apply. I'm not even sure it should apply in obvious cases involving older men and really young children as I'm yet to see any evidence based on research to tell me that a search for a "cure" is futile.

[Future17]

Duno what to do with these evil horrible people. He never even did time for it which was a disgrace in itself.

Certainly wouldn't have him playing for a football club anyway.

Personally I would refuse to work with a sex offender especially him.

I think you've started to contradict yourself. On one hand you're saying that Thomson has a sexual preference which he'll never be able to change, but on the other hand you're saying that he (and people like him) are evil. I don't think you can be evil if you're acting on an impulse you can't change. That obviously doesn't make it right and it's for society to ensure that measures are in place which protect the vulnerable.

However, if criminals who have served their sentence aren't allowed to resume working life, there is no path to rehabilitation and the chances of them reoffending may increase as a result.

Basically, you've come on here for a rant when, by your own admission, you haven't thought this through.

[MJN1875]

I think your taking your personal opinion and passing it off as fact.

There is a theory that you can't change your feelings if you are a paedophile, as that can be classified as a sexual orientation (I don't think there's any scientific proof though).

However, Thomson isn't a paedophile as he isn't attracted to pre-pubescent children (as far as I know). His sexual orientation is straight and his crime involved those who were under the age of consent.

Who is to say that his tastes in girls/women won't change as he gets older as he might himself be mentally immature?

The point is that there are far too many variables when it comes to cases like this and the "once a nonce" certainly shouldn't apply. I'm not even sure it should apply in obvious cases involving older men and really young children as I'm yet to see any evidence based on research to tell me that a search for a "cure" is futile.


Sorry, in what way is craig Thomson not a paedo?

He exposed himself and tried to have sex with 12 yr olds, who he knew were 12. If that's not a nonce then I honestly don't know what is!!!

[MJN1875]

I think you've started to contradict yourself. On one hand you're saying that Thomson has a sexual preference which he'll never be able to change, but on the other hand you're saying that he (and people like him) are evil. I don't think you can be evil if you're acting on an impulse you can't change. That obviously doesn't make it right and it's for society to ensure that measures are in place which protect the vulnerable.

However, if criminals who have served their sentence aren't allowed to resume working life, there is no path to rehabilitation and the chances of them reoffending may increase as a result.

Basically, you've come on here for a rant when, by your own admission, you haven't thought this through.


In what way have I contradicted myself?

I stand by what I say.

And they are evil.

That's like saying a serial killer isn't evil because he's acting on impulse????

Yeah, sure buddy..........

[Pretty Boy]

I think you've started to contradict yourself. On one hand you're saying that Thomson has a sexual preference which he'll never be able to change, but on the other hand you're saying that he (and people like him) are evil. I don't think you can be evil if you're acting on an impulse you can't change. That obviously doesn't make it right and it's for society to ensure that measures are in place which protect the vulnerable.

However, if criminals who have served their sentence aren't allowed to resume working life, there is no path to rehabilitation and the chances of them reoffending may increase as a result.

Basically, you've come on here for a rant when, by your own admission, you haven't thought this through.

There was a really good documentary on Channel 4, I think, recently about Paedophillia.

A guy was interviewed who admitted to being a paedophile but one who had never acted on his impulse, he was just aware he was attracted to young children sexually. He said it was like a torture because he knew it was wrong but he couldn't just shut down his sexuality. He was calling for a change to the system so people could actually admit to being paedophiles, in the medical sense of the term, and seek help. He argued, not without merit imo, that the current system is only interested in paedophiles when they become offenders.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't feel you have to be cured as such if your any of the above.

My point is, if you are straight or gay or bi, nobody will EVER change that.

Just as if someone is attracted to pre teenage girls and they get caught, they won't just start not being attracted to them.

Fact is the guys a nonce end of.
That's just not true.

Sexuality is variable, not absolute. It's a sliding scale if you like. Most of us stay on the same point on that scale for most of our lives. A lot, though, move up and down it.

When I was thinking about this last week, who was on the radio but Tom Robinson. A case in point.....once Glad to Be Gay, now happy to be straight.

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[Mikey09]

You can't change what your sexually attracted to, simple.

As was stated previously by another poster, once a nonce always a nonce.


What a complete and utter load of pish.

[MJN1875]

There was a really good documentary on Channel 4, I think, recently about Paedophillia.

A guy was interviewed who admitted to being a paedophile but one who had never acted on his impulse, he was just aware he was attracted to young children sexually. He said it was like a torture because he knew it was wrong but he couldn't just shut down his sexuality. He was calling for a change to the system so people could actually admit to being paedophiles, in the medical sense of the term, and seek help. He argued, not without merit imo, that the current system is only interested in paedophiles when they become offenders.

Yeah I saw that, and that guy proves my point, u can't change what your sexually attracted too.

[MJN1875]

That's just not true.

Sexuality is variable, not absolute. It's a sliding scale if you like. Most of us stay on the same point on that scale for most of our lives. A lot, though, move up and down it.

When I was thinking about this last week, who was on the radio but Tom Robinson. A case in point.....once Glad to Be Gay, now happy to be straight.

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This is called being bi

[MJN1875]

What a complete and utter load of pish.

You don't all of a sudden get to 50 and be like oh I'm gay. It might take you that long to admit it to yourself but that person will always be attracted to men.
I'm straight, that will never change.

Craig Thomson likes 12 yr olds, he will still find them attractive.
I'm sorry but because he got caught does not mean he's no longer attracted to them.
You don't just become not a paedo anymore ffs.

[Pretty Boy]

Yeah I saw that, and that guy proves my point, u can't change what your sexually attracted too.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. Whilst hetrosexuality, homosexualit, asexuality etc are not recognised as psychiatric disorders in the same way as paedophillia.

I've not seen any peer reviewed evidence that paedophillia is cureable, that's not saying it doesn't exist, but I certainly haven't seen any that conclusively says it isn't either (same qualification applies). I'd be genuinely interested to read evidene pointing either way.

[Pretty Boy]

You don't all of a sudden get to 50 and be like oh I'm gay. It might take you that long to admit it to yourself but that person will always be attracted to men.
I'm straight, that will never change.

Craig Thomson likes 12 yr olds, he will still find them attractive.
I'm sorry but because he got caught does not mean he's no longer attracted to them.
You don't just become not a paedo anymore ffs.

I'm honestly curious on your views here.

Here's a scenario that isn't total fantasy: man of say 19 is out and about and gets chatting to a girl, he finds her attractive and they swap numbers and so on. Hr later finds out she is only 15.

Now whether he has acted on his attraction beyond that is surely irrelevant in your view. He's attracted to an under age girl, subconsciously as he may have believed she was 16+, so he's a damaged beast beyond redemption?

That's obviously different from the actions of Thomson but trying to paint human sexuality as black and white when imo it isn't throws up all kinds of issues.

[MJN1875]

I'm not sure that's entirely true. Whilst hetrosexuality, homosexualit, asexuality etc are not recognised as psychiatric disorders in the same way as paedophillia.

I've not seen any peer reviewed evidence that paedophillia is cureable, that's not saying it doesn't exist, but I certainly haven't seen any that conclusively says it isn't either (same qualification applies). I'd be genuinely interested to read evidene pointing either way.

I'm not being funny but we can see into other galaxies and send rockets to Mars etc, I think if there was a treatment to cure a nonce they'd have used it by now.
There is no cure for any mental illness.
If your schizophrenic you just get doped up.
I've never heard of a nonce being cured although I'm sure they will tell you different to stay out of jail.

[cabbageandribs1875]

well i think .net should be fair chuffed to have a psychology expert telling us all how it is

[MJN1875]

I'm honestly curious on your views here.

Here's a scenario that isn't total fantasy: man of say 19 is out and about and gets chatting to a girl, he finds her attractive and they swap numbers and so on. Hr later finds out she is only 15.

Now whether he has acted on his attraction beyond that is surely irrelevant in your view. He's attracted to an under age girl, subconsciously as he may have believed she was 16+, so he's a damaged beast beyond redemption?

That's obviously different from the actions of Thomson but trying to paint human sexuality as black and white when imo it isn't throws up all kinds of issues.

I'm sorry but that can't even be compared to thomsons case.

That must happen to people a lot that situation, and when your in say a nightclub after a few drinks talking to a girl covered in make up who has went out her way to look older the nightclub has to take the blame there.

Thomson seemed out 12 yr olds, and it's not like their profiles hid their ages. Infact I am pretty sure he personally knew the families and he knew exactly who he was talking to and what the ages were.

[MJN1875]

well i think .net should be fair chuffed to have a psychology expert telling us all how it is


I don't understand how people even disagree in this situation.

Here's an example, would you let him babysit your 12 yr old girl?

[Future17]

In what way have I contradicted myself?

I stand by what I say.

And they are evil.

That's like saying a serial killer isn't evil because he's acting on impulse????

Yeah, sure buddy..........

You're saying that people who are attracted to underage girls can't help it, but that makes them evil and horrible. You're not contradicting yourself, so long as you think a person can be born evil and horrible, with no hope of redemption. That's a pretty narrow view of the world IMO and a pretty dangerous point of view to be so judgmental of others.

Or are you saying that people who are sexually attracted to children are only evil and horrible if they act on it?

[Pretty Boy]

I'm sorry but that can't even be compared to thomsons case.

That must happen to people a lot that situation, and when your in say a nightclub after a few drinks talking to a girl covered in make up who has went out her way to look older the nightclub has to take the blame there.

Thomson seemed out 12 yr olds, and it's not like their profiles hid their ages. Infact I am pretty sure he personally knew the families and he knew exactly who he was talking to and what the ages were.

I'm aware it's a different situation and acknowledged as much.

My point stands though that in your view people are attracted to who they are attracted to and that's that. Therefore does it not stand to your reason that the guy in my hypothetical scenario above will spend the rest of his life lusting after under age females?

Whether he knew the age of not is irrelevant surely as even if he believed her to be 18+ his ultimate attraction was still to a 15 year old.

[MJN1875]

You're saying that people who are attracted to underage girls can't help it, but that makes them evil and horrible. You're not contradicting yourself, so long as you think a person can be born evil and horrible, with no hope of redemption. That's a pretty narrow view of the world IMO and a pretty dangerous point of view to be so judgmental of others.

Or are you saying that people who are sexually attracted to children are only evil and horrible if they act on it?

People are born evil, not everyone that is evil has had say a bad up bringing or something traumatic happen.

[MJN1875]

I'm aware it's a different situation and acknowledged as much.

My point stands though that in your view people are attracted to who they are attracted to and that's that. Therefore does it not stand to your reason that the guy in my hypothetical scenario above will spend the rest of his life lusting after under age females?

Whether he knew the age of not is irrelevant surely as even if he believed her to be 18+ his ultimate attraction was still to a 15 year old.

These girls were 12.

12 mate, no 12 year old can deceive you about her age.

On top of that he knew fine well their ages.

If someone found someone in a nightclub attractive before they removed their makeup that can't count.

[CropleyWasGod]

You don't all of a sudden get to 50 and be like oh I'm gay. It might take you that long to admit it to yourself but that person will always be attracted to men.
I'm straight, that will never change.

Craig Thomson likes 12 yr olds, he will still find them attractive.
I'm sorry but because he got caught does not mean he's no longer attracted to them.
You don't just become not a paedo anymore ffs.
So. A common situation.

A man is attracted to women. Sufficiently so that he has kids with a couple.

20 years later, he prefers men. Has no interest in women at all.

Reverse that example.

Both stories are taken from real life. Anecdotal evidence to prove that sexuality can alter.

You were asked earlier for scientific evidence that it doesn't. Don't think that you did.

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[MJN1875]

So. A common situation.

A man is attracted to women. Sufficiently so that he has kids with a couple.

20 years later, he prefers men. Has no interest in women at all.

Reverse that example.

Both stories are taken from real life. Anecdotal evidence to prove that sexuality can alter.

You were asked earlier for scientific evidence that it doesn't. Don't think that you did.

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That person will have always deep down had an attraction to both sexes.

[Pretty Boy]

These girls were 12.

12 mate, no 12 year old can deceive you about her age.

On top of that he knew fine well their ages.

If someone found someone in a nightclub attractive before they removed their makeup that can't count.

My point isn't about the Thomson case, more a general one that human sexuality isn't fixed to set parameters. The fact you have acknowledged that a simple change in appearance or change in circumstance can alter someones view of a situation or individual backs up my point.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not being funny but we can see into other galaxies and send rockets to Mars etc, I think if there was a treatment to cure a nonce they'd have used it by now.
There is no cure for any mental illness.
If your schizophrenic you just get doped up.
I've never heard of a nonce being cured although I'm sure they will tell you different to stay out of jail.
You should read the depression thread and learn a little empathy.

Schizophrenics just get doped up???

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[MJN1875]

You should read the depression thread and learn a little empathy.

Schizophrenics just get doped up???

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Yeah, that's what they do to them, give them drugs that don't cure them but dope them up and bloat them up
This is because they can't cure it only contain it to a certain extent.

[MJN1875]

My point isn't about the Thomson case, more a general one that human sexuality isn't fixed to set parameters. The fact you have acknowledged that a simple change in appearance or change in circumstance can alter someones view of a situation or individual backs up my point.

Yeah and I acknowledge your point.

But this thread is about the craig Thomson case, and in his case, there was no altered appearance. Just 2 innocent girls trying to use Facebook.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yeah, that's what they do to them, give them drugs that don't cure them but dope them up and bloat them up
This is because they can't cure it only contain it to a certain extent.
You are Alan Partridge and I claim my £5

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[CropleyWasGod]

That person will have always deep down had an attraction to both sexes.
Again . What's your evidence?

Not your opinion, the evidence .

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[MJN1875]

Again . What's your evidence?

Not your opinion, the evidence .

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Well that's what I think and I know I'm right.

Feel free to ask someone that's been in that situation if you want proof

[CropleyWasGod]

Well that's what I think and I know I'm right.

Feel free to ask someone that's been in that situation if you want proof
Thank you, Doctor Freud :)

Um....I gave you examples of people that have been in that situation. Real people, situations repeated many times over.

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[Future17]

People are born evil, not everyone that is evil has had say a bad up bringing or something traumatic happen.

I don't agree that someone who has never committed an evil act in their life can be considered evil.

[MJN1875]

Thank you, Doctor Freud :)

Um....I gave you examples of people that have been in that situation. Real people, situations repeated many times over.

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And deep down if you asked them they would say they already found the other sex attractive

[MJN1875]

I don't agree that someone who has never committed an evil act in their life can be considered evil.

?

Being a paedo is an act of evil!

[CropleyWasGod]

And deep down if you asked them they would say they already found the other sex attractive


Would they really?

You know that for a fact? People I have known for over 30 years, and you don't?

They would laugh in your face and suggest you hand in your Blue Peter psychoanalysis badge :)



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[Future17]

?

Being a paedo is an act of evil!

So, to summarise, you think you can be born with an attraction to underage children which can't be changed. But, even if you know it's wrong and therefore never act on it, you're still evil?

I think we'll have to disagree.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I don't understand how people even disagree in this situation.

Here's an example, would you let him babysit your 12 yr old girl?


my daughters 28 and would kick his nackers into orbit :)



but seriously, imo he will not offend again, daft wee immature laddie that has hopefully been given some kind of counselling/therapy, but i'l stop here because i'm really not aware of all the facts about the case

[McD]

And deep down if you asked them they would say they already found the other sex attractive


Thats incredibly presumptive.


you have your thoughts and opinions, and that's exactly what they are. You cannot prove them, just as others are not beholden to accepting them as fact, even if you choose to believe they are.

[MJN1875]

Thats incredibly presumptive.


you have your thoughts and opinions, and that's exactly what they are. You cannot prove them, just as others are not beholden to accepting them as fact, even if you choose to believe they are.

Look, facts are facts, Craig Thomson tried to nonce up 12 yr olds.

He's a paedo and shouldn't b allowed back in football.

HE TRIED TO HAVE SEX WITH 12 YR OLDS, WHY IS ANYONE STICKING UP FOR HIM?

[MJN1875]

my daughters 28 and would kick his nackers into orbit :)



but seriously, imo he will not offend again, daft wee immature laddie that has hopefully been given some kind of counselling/therapy, but i'l stop here because i'm really not aware of all the facts about the case

The wee girls were 12, he knew who they were and how old they are.

He proceeded to send naked pics and ask for sex.

Sorry, but you can't put that down to immaturity.

When I was his age, I never went near 12 yr olds or anyone under 18, I was out clubbing etc.
He was a professional football player, there is no excuse.

[MJN1875]

So, to summarise, you think you can be born with an attraction to underage children which can't be changed. But, even if you know it's wrong and therefore never act on it, you're still evil?

I think we'll have to disagree.

Tell you one thing, there can't be many that haven't acted on it.

[Hibrandenburg]

Look, facts are facts, Craig Thomson tried to nonce up 12 yr olds.

He's a paedo and shouldn't b allowed back in football.

HE TRIED TO HAVE SEX WITH 12 YR OLDS, WHY IS ANYONE STICKING UP FOR HIM?
If you give up on the idea of rehabilitation then you give up on the idea that humans can better themselves. I understand your disgust and I admit I would be nervous about him being around kids, but everyone is entitled to a second chance. If we don't believe that then we might as well jack it all in.

[McD]

Look, facts are facts, Craig Thomson tried to nonce up 12 yr olds.

He's a paedo and shouldn't b allowed back in football.

HE TRIED TO HAVE SEX WITH 12 YR OLDS, WHY IS ANYONE STICKING UP FOR HIM?


Your post that I replied to was about your presumptions about whether individuals could change their sexual preferences, and whether any would 'admit to' having feelings throughout their lives - none of that is related to Craig Thomson, they are your opinions that you've continues to state as fact despite several posters pointing out the fallacies inherent within them, and asked you for evidence to back up your assertions, which has so far been less than forthcoming.



The wee girls were 12, he knew who they were and how old they are.

He proceeded to send naked pics and ask for sex.

Sorry, but you can't put that down to immaturity.

When I was his age, I never went near 12 yr olds or anyone under 18, I was out clubbing etc.
He was a professional football player, there is no excuse.


Whether he was a professional football player or not, there's no excuse. That's an irrelevant point. No one has put it down to immaturity.



i doubt there's many on here who wouldn't share your disgust for his actions. We live in a civilised society which works to rehabilitate offenders. Some of that rehabilitation will involve interaction with other people in organised activities, like sport. what would your alternative be?

[CropleyWasGod]

Look, facts are facts, Craig Thomson tried to nonce up 12 yr olds.

He's a paedo and shouldn't b allowed back in football.

HE TRIED TO HAVE SEX WITH 12 YR OLDS, WHY IS ANYONE STICKING UP FOR HIM?
Not sure that anyone is.

What most people are sticking up for is reason and evidence, not agenda - led sticky - back plastic science that you're using to make your point.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Tell you one thing, there can't be many that haven't acted on it.
And again.....siiiiigh......your evidence is?

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[Future17]

Tell you one thing, there can't be many that haven't acted on it.

Why not?

[MJN1875]

Why not?

Why?

[MJN1875]

And again.....siiiiigh......your evidence is?

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Craig Thomson is the evidence

[MJN1875]

Right whatever people's opinions are, let's all just get a grip here and be honest.

Craig Thomson is a Paedophile. Fact. He should 100% not be near kids, or a football team.

I wouldn't even let him play Fifa.

[CropleyWasGod]

Craig Thomson is the evidence
Well, that's me convinced.

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[Future17]

Right whatever people's opinions are, let's all just get a grip here and be honest.

Craig Thomson is a Paedophile. Fact. He should 100% not be near kids, or a football team.

I wouldn't even let him play Fifa.

I thought a few times on this thread (and others) that you might be trolling. Now I'm convinced.

[Mikey09]

Right whatever people's opinions are, let's all just get a grip here and be honest.

Craig Thomson is a Paedophile. Fact. He should 100% not be near kids, or a football team.

I wouldn't even let him play Fifa.


Having had a tickin off from the admins for a response I gave to one of your insightful posts, and having taken a bit of self imposed time off from this forum all I will say is I hope you NEVER have to give evidence in a high court case...

[Pete]

Right whatever people's opinions are, let's all just get a grip here and be honest.

Craig Thomson is a Paedophile. Fact. He should 100% not be near kids, or a football team.

I wouldn't even let him play Fifa.

Do you even know what a paedophile is?

It's obvious that you fell strongly about this subject but statements like this do nothing for your credibility and confirm that you are just winging it.

[The Sundance Kid]

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