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johnbc70
19-09-2015, 03:23 PM
Was on a walk with the family today and on our way home spotted graffiti with 'Bar Ox' now I now Ox is Oxgangs but what does the Bar mean? Used to see that name quite a bit when growing up in the 80s but rarely see anything now. I guessing all the members are old men now!

Betty Boop
19-09-2015, 04:27 PM
Was on a walk with the family today and on our way home spotted graffiti with 'Bar Ox' now I now Ox is Oxgangs but what does the Bar mean? Used to see that name quite a bit when growing up in the 80s but rarely see anything now. I guessing all the members are old men now!


YLT rools ! :greengrin

stoneyburn hibs
19-09-2015, 05:29 PM
YLT rools ! :greengrin

After the GYP:na na:

CropleyWasGod
19-09-2015, 07:15 PM
Cough....Clerrie Jungle

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Betty Boop
19-09-2015, 08:00 PM
After the GYP:na na:

What's that one then ? Gilmerton something ? :greengrin

Billy Whizz
19-09-2015, 08:30 PM
I went to school in Paisley in the 1970's.
We had the YCD, YYCD, the Cumby and YY Cumby
Not sure what Cumby meant

Hiber-nation
19-09-2015, 09:00 PM
I went to school in Paisley in the 1970's.
We had the YCD, YYCD, the Cumby and YY Cumby
Not sure what Cumby meant

No idea either, or what the Bar in Bar-Ox meant. We had the Young Inch Cumbie.

ronaldo7
19-09-2015, 09:12 PM
I went to school in Paisley in the 1970's.
We had the YCD, YYCD, the Cumby and YY Cumby
Not sure what Cumby meant

http://www.amazon.com/R.G.-MacCallum/e/B00IX4CTCC

:wink:

Just for you Billy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKb2Wvpuy14

Billy Whizz
19-09-2015, 09:32 PM
http://www.amazon.com/R.G.-MacCallum/e/B00IX4CTCC

:wink:

Just for you Billy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKb2Wvpuy14
Ronnie, thanks. You know where I sit in the East, if you'd like to treat me😀

Billy Whizz
19-09-2015, 09:33 PM
No idea either, or what the Bar in Bar-Ox meant. We had the Young Inch Cumbie.

YCD was Young Clockwork Disciple

CropleyWasGod
19-09-2015, 09:49 PM
My gang was called the OCD. We never actually kicked anyone's head in, but we had the shiniest Doc's

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ronaldo7
19-09-2015, 09:52 PM
Ronnie, thanks. You know where I sit in the East, if you'd like to treat me

Ye kin learn the lyrics for the next hame gemme.:wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq1xZcDMEr0

Hibrandenburg
19-09-2015, 09:59 PM
Wally Toi ya bass! We rebelled against society by setting hay bails on fire. The world would be under fascist control if it wasn't for our activists.

DH1875
19-09-2015, 10:34 PM
I went to school in Paisley in the 1970's.
We had the YCD, YYCD, the Cumby and YY Cumby
Not sure what Cumby meant

Yeah but dont think many of them were/are from Edinburgh???

Not trying to big them up and have never been a member but surely the No 1 gang in the past was the CCS?

lord bunberry
20-09-2015, 07:59 AM
Was on a walk with the family today and on our way home spotted graffiti with 'Bar Ox' now I now Ox is Oxgangs but what does the Bar mean? Used to see that name quite a bit when growing up in the 80s but rarely see anything now. I guessing all the members are old men now!
The bar means bad all round. My mates dad still lives up there.

Greenworld
20-09-2015, 09:09 AM
Yeah but dont think many of them were/are from Edinburgh???

Not trying to big them up and have never been a member but surely the No 1 gang in the past was the CCS?
Different time zone..the Edinburgh gang scene was in the late 60's early 70's ...
Gorgie jungle .....tollcross rebels and Bar-ox were some of the bigger gangs ...Gorgie jungle were 200 strong and used to battle quite often at Harrison Park

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K-Zazu
20-09-2015, 01:01 PM
I thought the bar stood for barbarian.. Barbarian oxgangs hahaha

stoneyburn hibs
20-09-2015, 02:30 PM
What's that one then ? Gilmerton something ? :greengrin

It's Granton.

#FromTheCapital
20-09-2015, 03:36 PM
Do we still have gangs in Edinburgh? Something I've noticed over the last 10 years or so you never seem to see groups of youths hanging about in parks or on the streets anymore.

stu in nottingham
20-09-2015, 03:46 PM
No idea either, or what the Bar in Bar-Ox meant. We had the Young Inch Cumbie.


http://www.amazon.com/R.G.-MacCallum/e/B00IX4CTCC

:wink:

Just for you Billy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKb2Wvpuy14

Cumberland Street = Cumby. The Sooside Cumby from the Gorbals were the infamous one I knew of as a youth but there were others.

johnbc70
20-09-2015, 04:15 PM
The bar means bad all round. My mates dad still lives up there.

Thanks, been wondering what it means for years!

Peevemor
20-09-2015, 07:35 PM
Different time zone..the Edinburgh gang scene was in the late 60's early 70's ...
Gorgie jungle .....tollcross rebels and Bar-ox were some of the bigger gangs ...Gorgie jungle were 200 strong and used to battle quite often at Harrison Park

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:agree: By the time I started at Firrhill in the late 70s, the bar-ox no longer really existed. You heard about folk being in the bar-ox, but they never seemed to do anything ganglike.

Pretty Boy
20-09-2015, 09:17 PM
:agree: By the time I started at Firrhill in the late 70s, the bar-ox no longer really existed. You heard about folk being in the bar-ox, but they never seemed to do anything ganglike.

I grew up in Oxgangs through the late 90s and early 00s but didn't go to Firhill.

There was always folk going about who were supposedly in the Bar Ox (or the YMBO, young mental Bar Ox, as they often refered to it) but as you say they didn't seem to do anything gang like. It tended to be a few groups of bullies who picked on smaller guys when they were alone.

heretoday
21-09-2015, 12:34 PM
Living in North Edinburgh in the seventies, one was always in fear of gangs around the place after closing time and at parties. The YMD was the big one and carried a certain mystique I suppose.

Edinburgh street muggings and assaults seem to have got worse if the papers are to be believed. Every weekend seems to feature some lone pedestrian set upon and beaten in the wee sma' hours.

I suppose it was ever thus. Thank god I'm old!

hibbykeef
21-09-2015, 12:54 PM
YBT,Cerie Jungle,TCR,BAR-OX,YLT and WMD early 70,s,remember playing a Primary School Football game at Broomhouse against Oxgangs or Inch,gangs on both touchlines tooled up to the ninties,huge fight,scary times in Edinburgh at that time.

johnbc70
21-09-2015, 01:02 PM
Did a lot of the gangs not morph into the casual groups, both Hibs and Hearts?

Jack
21-09-2015, 01:58 PM
Living in North Edinburgh in the seventies, one was always in fear of gangs around the place after closing time and at parties. The YMD was the big one and carried a certain mystique I suppose.

Edinburgh street muggings and assaults seem to have got worse if the papers are to be believed. Every weekend seems to feature some lone pedestrian set upon and beaten in the wee sma' hours.

I suppose it was ever thus. Thank god I'm old!


They carried a lot more than mystique :offski:

CropleyWasGod
21-09-2015, 02:24 PM
Did a lot of the gangs not morph into the casual groups, both Hibs and Hearts?

IIRC, the gangs started to break up when a couple of the Jungle stabbed a guy (killed him?) on a number 20 bus in Queensferry Road. The police came down hard on the gangs after that, and they kinda faded away.

patch1875
21-09-2015, 07:27 PM
Always thought the YLT was a bit mysterious every one claimed to be in it but never really seen it as a actual gang.

Growing up in the Banana flats I always remember it being us against the venchie.

(I would always hide at the back!)

SteveHFC
21-09-2015, 07:31 PM
DYT! :na na:

Jack
21-09-2015, 07:55 PM
IIRC, the gangs started to break up when a couple of the Jungle stabbed a guy (killed him?) on a number 20 bus in Queensferry Road. The police came down hard on the gangs after that, and they kinda faded away.

32 maybe, if it's the same stabbing. My dippit pal was on that bus and somehow I got connected, not through him, and the police were at my door within a couple of days! I lived in Davidsons Mains at the time, living nearby and being young is the only connection I've ever come up with!

Mummy and daddy were appalled, even the priest had a go on a guilt trip. Can't remember how I got away with that ... parent wise!

K-Zazu
21-09-2015, 07:57 PM
I remember the late 90's early 00's around wester hailes was very bad. I stayed in baberton and there was lots of gangs from wester hailes coming up and causing bother.. Anyone remember this??

CropleyWasGod
21-09-2015, 08:29 PM
32 maybe, if it's the same stabbing. My dippit pal was on that bus and somehow I got connected, not through him, and the police were at my door within a couple of days! I lived in Davidsons Mains at the time, living nearby and being young is the only connection I've ever come up with!

Mummy and daddy were appalled, even the priest had a go on a guilt trip. Can't remember how I got away with that ... parent wise!
Could be right about the 32.

I was living in Clerrie at the time. One of the guys responsible was called Craig something.

Were you at Royal High?

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Jack
21-09-2015, 09:01 PM
Could be right about the 32.

I was living in Clerrie at the time. One of the guys responsible was called Craig something.

Were you at Royal High?

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No idea, after all these years, what any of their names might have been :-) Sometimes I surprise myself at the level of detail I can remember from so far back but names, even from yesterday, elude me! I can remember what my thick mate told me about the incident, the day after, almost word for word!

... and no. Despite living in D'Mains I went to Leith Academy.

30th Inverleith ring any bells?

CropleyWasGod
21-09-2015, 09:40 PM
No idea, after all these years, what any of their names might have been :-) Sometimes I surprise myself at the level of detail I can remember from so far back but names, even from yesterday, elude me! I can remember what my thick mate told me about the incident, the day after, almost word for word!

... and no. Despite living in D'Mains I went to Leith Academy.

30th Inverleith ring any bells?
I was in the 102B, based at Clerrie school. Full of the mentalest Jungle bams.

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Jack
21-09-2015, 09:49 PM
I was in the 102B, based at Clerrie school. Full of the mentalest Jungle bams.

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You were safe up in Clerrie then, I wasn't safe anywhere! lol

Scouse Hibee
22-09-2015, 07:32 AM
Obviously I have no experience of growing up with Edinburgh gangs, nor did I have any involvement of Liverpool gangs of my generation. Sadly far too many gangs and turf battles still ongoing in Liverpool with the difference now being the wide use of firearms even by teenagers. ****** mental way to live your young life!

silverhibee
23-09-2015, 11:30 PM
Obviously I have no experience of growing up with Edinburgh gangs, nor did I have any involvement of Liverpool gangs of my generation. Sadly far too many gangs and turf battles still ongoing in Liverpool with the difference now being the wide use of firearms even by teenagers. ****** mental way to live your young life!

Getting like that here now, http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/guns-ammunition-seized-along-five-6428052 and a machine gun and several other guns taken of the streets in the last few months.

Edinburgh, fast becoming a mini London.

GreenLake
24-09-2015, 10:27 AM
Young Pilton Derry, Young Mental Drylaw and Young Niddrie Terror were the ones I remember evading the most.

God Petrie
25-09-2015, 06:51 AM
I was most fearful of the Young Middle Class Stockbrigians. Their well read copies of Kierkegaard could give you a nasty paper cut.

Hibee87
25-09-2015, 07:25 AM
Do kids gangs still associate themselves with these tags now days?

I genuinely have no idea but growing up a fair bit in the west of edinburgh during the early to mid 00's gang/group tags were everywhere. BYT or YBT (broomie) YST - sighthill. CP - calder - YMD - dummy even longstone had a name but I forget etc. westerhails shopping center was full of about 50 - 60+ young guys which seemed to be a merge of dumbryden, westburn and murryburn. Used to see the 'tags' haha spraypaint at every underpass/shop but not anymore. I think there was a murder of a young member at the old sighthill flats, and maybe they all realised how stupid swaggering around acting hard really was

Hibby Bairn
25-09-2015, 07:26 AM
Do we still have gangs in Edinburgh? Something I've noticed over the last 10 years or so you never seem to see groups of youths hanging about in parks or on the streets anymore.

Online gangs now. Hibs.net is one of the scariest!!

Hibby Bairn
25-09-2015, 07:30 AM
Could be right about the 32.

I was living in Clerrie at the time. One of the guys responsible was called Craig something.

Were you at Royal High?

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Stayed in Silverknowes near Ferry Road and went to D'Mains and Royal High. Used to play football on the grass next to old railway line and bridge (beside the cycle speedway oval track). This was no man's land caught in between YMD from the east of us and YCD from the west (Clerrie). Used to get several doings if we weren't quick enough.

Quite a few good sprinters came out of our bunch :)

CropleyWasGod
25-09-2015, 05:32 PM
Stayed in Silverknowes near Ferry Road and went to D'Mains and Royal High. Used to play football on the grass next to old railway line and bridge (beside the cycle speedway oval track). This was no man's land caught in between YMD from the east of us and YCD from the west (Clerrie). Used to get several doings if we weren't quick enough.

Quite a few good sprinters came out of our bunch :)
I'm guessing that I might know you of old. Then again, even then I avoided Tories :)

Who was school captain in your year?

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CropleyWasGod
25-09-2015, 05:33 PM
32 maybe, if it's the same stabbing. My dippit pal was on that bus and somehow I got connected, not through him, and the police were at my door within a couple of days! I lived in Davidsons Mains at the time, living nearby and being young is the only connection I've ever come up with!

Mummy and daddy were appalled, even the priest had a go on a guilt trip. Can't remember how I got away with that ... parent wise!
The guy who did it was Gerry Imrie. The Craig I thought it was, was his brother.

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CropleyWasGod
25-09-2015, 05:36 PM
I was most fearful of the Young Middle Class Stockbrigians. Their well read copies of Kierkegaard could give you a nasty paper cut.
There was a group near me called SCABS. Strathalmond, Cammo and Barnton Skins. Just the name was enough to turn one to jelly.

And there was YHOH. Young House O Hill. Curiously pronounced Yoho. ....

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SON OF PADDY
25-09-2015, 06:24 PM
The Story I got told was, their was a sign outside a dance hall up town stating " All from Oxgangs barred " hence " The Bar Ox " old dude Fi the bar ox !!

Hibby Bairn
25-09-2015, 08:53 PM
I'm guessing that I might know you of old. Then again, even then I avoided Tories :)

Who was school captain in your year?

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Barry McGuire...1985...although I left in 5th year.

CropleyWasGod
25-09-2015, 08:58 PM
Barry McGuire...1985...although I left in 5th year.
Oh man....I'm 10 years ahead of you :)

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Jones28
26-09-2015, 12:17 AM
The one gang related incident I remember from my childhood was a lad on hawthornevale being hunted by the YLT, of which I was an honorary member for about 20 minutes until I got told to come in because supper was served.

YLT used to send us running for the hills though, I seem to remember there being about 50 of them that day.

Pete
26-09-2015, 01:22 AM
I was most fearful of the Young Middle Class Stockbrigians. Their well read copies of Kierkegaard could give you a nasty paper cut.

When I was about 11 or 12 I didn't really have a clue what gangs were all about but all the graffiti and stories were intriguing. My mate and I therefore decided to make our own gang and the YCP was born (young craiglockhart possee). We let everyone know about us by plastering our gang name everywhere in marker pen: lamp posts, bus stops, bus seats etc...

A few weeks later a load of us were playing football in the park when five or six guys who were considerably older than us started walking over and someone recognised them as members of a real gang from Longstone or Saughton. As the general intimidation and bullying started they revealed that they were in the area to look for this Craiglockhart gang and were asking if we'd seen them or knew who they were. It was all "they're getting done/they're getting stabbed/they might give us handers against wester hailes/if you see them tell them blah blah are after them".

The two of us were staring at the ground and ****ting ourselves while everyone else at the park was being interrogated. Needless to say the YCP was disbanded almost immediately.

Scouse Hibee
26-09-2015, 08:04 AM
When I was about 11 or 12 I didn't really have a clue what gangs were all about but all the graffiti and stories were intriguing. My mate and I therefore decided to make our own gang and the YCP was born (young craiglockhart possee). We let everyone know about us by plastering our gang name everywhere in marker pen: lamp posts, bus stops, bus seats etc...

A few weeks later a load of us were playing football in the park when five or six guys who were considerably older than us started walking over and someone recognised them as members of a real gang from Longstone or Saughton. As the general intimidation and bullying started they revealed that they were in the area to look for this Craiglockhart gang and were asking if we'd seen them or knew who they were. It was all "they're getting done/they're getting stabbed/they might give us handers against wester hailes/if you see them tell them blah blah are after them".

The two of us were staring at the ground and ****ting ourselves while everyone else at the park was being interrogated. Needless to say the YCP was disbanded almost immediately.

Haha nice one.

heretoday
26-09-2015, 08:10 AM
Young Pilton Derry, Young Mental Drylaw and Young Niddrie Terror were the ones I remember evading the most.


They will all be quite old now. Do they get together and swap tales of roaming the town beating people up for no reason? Aye those were the days!

Flipping inbreds.

frazeHFC
26-09-2015, 11:18 AM
Obviously I have no experience of growing up with Edinburgh gangs, nor did I have any involvement of Liverpool gangs of my generation. Sadly far too many gangs and turf battles still ongoing in Liverpool with the difference now being the wide use of firearms even by teenagers. ****** mental way to live your young life!


Did you watch the Ross Kemp on Gangs in Liverpool? That was mental, never realised just how deep the problem is down there.

Scouse Hibee
26-09-2015, 11:36 AM
Did you watch the Ross Kemp on Gangs in Liverpool? That was mental, never realised just how deep the problem is down there.

Yeah watched it and always reading about some other incident in the local press. Norris Green and Croxteth are two particular areas where members from one area found in the other area are in serious danger. ****** mental.

Dinkydoo
26-09-2015, 12:37 PM
In Dumfries there were lots of young teams when I was growing up in the 00's - there aren't any to be seen anymore though.

The GYT, the young team where I lived, was really just a group of teenagers getting together to get wasted and arse around....as teeneagers do. The other YTs used to always come across to the football pitches where we used to hang about and start fights - whilst we were all just sitting around, mildly annoyed that we couldn't drink our 'vody' in peace :hilarious:

Maybe teens these days (uh oh, 'grown up' alert) are just more sensible? How myself and some of the other guys didn't end up with a criminal record is a miracle - good job though, since the guys I still keep in touch with (and me) all have fairly decent careers; a clean disclosure is essential.

The number of fights I used to get in as a teenager - and run away from - was crazy. I'd hate for any future child of mine to have to go through that

Jack
26-09-2015, 12:45 PM
In Dumfries there were lots of young teams when I was growing up in the 00's - there aren't any to be seen anymore though.

The GYT, the young team where I lived, was really just a group of teenagers getting together to get wasted and arse around....as teeneagers do. The other YTs used to always come across to the football pitches where we used to hang about and start fights - whilst we were all just sitting around, mildly annoyed that we couldn't drink our 'vody' in peace :hilarious:

Maybe teens these days (uh oh, 'grown up' alert) are just more sensible? How myself and some of the other guys didn't end up with a criminal record is a miracle - good job though, since the guys I still keep in touch with (and me) all have fairly decent careers; a clean disclosure is essential.

IIRC at that time D&G was the teenage pregnancy capital of Europe. I'm surprised you guys had time to fight, sit around or be mildly annoyed that you couldn't drink you're vody!

Dinkydoo
26-09-2015, 01:14 PM
IIRC at that time D&G was the teenage pregnancy capital of Europe. I'm surprised you guys had time to fight, sit around or be mildly annoyed that you couldn't drink you're vody!
That was only on the weekends where we didn't have the kids :wink:

GreenLake
26-09-2015, 01:40 PM
They will all be quite old now. Do they get together and swap tales of roaming the town beating people up for no reason? Aye those were the days!

Flipping inbreds.


You reminded me of one guy who people used to talk about as "Bucked Teeth, Ginger Hair and a Limp". I thought it was an urban myth until I saw him walking up the road one night as I got off the bus. :greengrin

heretoday
26-09-2015, 03:02 PM
You reminded me of one guy who people used to talk about as "Bucked Teeth, Ginger Hair and a Limp". I thought it was an urban myth until I saw him walking up the road one night as I got off the bus. :greengrin

Aye and there was one who was "of restricted growth" with waist-length hair. Woe betide you if you so much as glanced in his direction. Various knuckle-draggers would descend on you!

It was like the cast of Deliverance (without the musical talent).

Forza Fred
27-09-2015, 09:52 AM
Niddrie Terror Ya Bass:greengrin

MSK
27-09-2015, 10:04 AM
Niddrie Terror Ya Bass:greengrinGot to add their nemesis, Young Bingham Cumbie 😃

GreenLake
28-09-2015, 03:07 AM
Aye and there was one who was "of restricted growth" with waist-length hair. Woe betide you if you so much as glanced in his direction. Various knuckle-draggers would descend on you!

It was like the cast of Deliverance (without the musical talent).

:greengrin

I think I remember him too and recall seeing maroon scarfs on them at times.

heretoday
29-09-2015, 02:23 PM
:greengrin

I think I remember him too and recall seeing maroon scarfs on them at times.

I think there was a mixture of green and maroon to be fair although the leader was a Jambo. No names, no pack drill.

Keith_M
01-10-2015, 04:20 PM
In the 60s/70s Wallyford, which is only a small village, had a fearsome reputation. A Mob from Niddrie came to check out just how tough the local gang, the Wally Toi, actually were. They were chased up and down the Village and locals spoke about it for years after, finding blood stained youths hiding in their back gardens.

Somebody had painted the words "Hell Town" on the sign at the entrance to the village and a photo of this was printed on the front page of the EN, with a story about the "Battle of Wallyford".

I was only a toddler when this happened but people my age used to boast about being in the "Toi", even though the actual gang had long since grown up and got jobs.

heretoday
01-10-2015, 04:45 PM
In the 60s/70s Wallyford, which is only a small village, had a fearsome reputation. A Mob from Niddrie came to check out just how tough the local gang, the Wally Toi, actually were. They were chased up and down the Village and locals spoke about it for years after, finding blood stained youths hiding in their back gardens.

Somebody had painted the words "Hell Town" on the sign at the entrance to the village and a photo of this was printed on the front page of the EN, with a story about the "Battle of Wallyford".

I was only a toddler when this happened but people my age used to boast about being in the "Toi", even though the actual gang had long since grown up and got jobs.

The Wally Toi. I love it.

Bishop Hibee
01-10-2015, 08:45 PM
Only real gang-related trouble I ever saw was around 1979 on Northfield Broadway with Young Piershill Fleet fighting Young Porty Rebels who'd been joined by anyone they could recruit. A good 50-60 fighting it out before the place was swarming with police at which point we took off sharpish. I was only out for a poke of chips from Giovanni's!

Plenty kids hanging about Lochend/Restalrig when I drove through tonight but I doubt they have any identity with the old gang names.

O'Rourke3
01-10-2015, 09:34 PM
I lived in Porty during this period and also of an age to have known most or all and to this day havent a clue who was in the YPR....

Sent via the bushes @ EM

Killiehibbie
01-10-2015, 09:39 PM
Only real gang-related trouble I ever saw was around 1979 on Northfield Broadway with Young Piershill Fleet fighting Young Porty Rebels who'd been joined by anyone they could recruit. A good 50-60 fighting it out before the place was swarming with police at which point we took off sharpish. I was only out for a poke of chips from Giovanni's!

Plenty kids hanging about Lochend/Restalrig when I drove through tonight but I doubt they have any identity with the old gang names.I remember the Porty mob being very scared of a couple of guys in particular. Piershill had a high concentration of nutters for a small place.

Pete
02-10-2015, 03:12 AM
I remember the late 90's early 00's around wester hailes was very bad. I stayed in baberton and there was lots of gangs from wester hailes coming up and causing bother.. Anyone remember this??

I never stayed there but Baberton did have a reputation for being overrun by "westies" back then.

in the early nineties I used to hear tales of the fights between wester hailes and longstone in the quarry park. As I got older I began to drink with some of the longstone boys and they would describe their trips into dumbryden/murrayburn/hailsland. They would enter a seemingly lifeless square and within seconds there would be dozens of boys rushing out of stairs like rats and I think longstone came off worst most of the time. A few of the old wester hailes boys started socialising with us as the years went on and even though most of them could put it down to daftness, there was still a bit of needle with the long stone boys even though they were in their mid twenties.

Another biggie was YMS/YBT (Saughton and Broomhouse). I used to socialise occasionally in broomhoouse and one time when we were going to the park to skin up (that's what our lives revolved around then) our mate told us that there has been a battle there last night. Right enough there were bits of wood, bricks, bits of fencing and lots of other blunt instruments and it was apparently a tear up between broomie, hibs and saughton. They used to call it little Bosnia :greengrin

Keith_M
02-10-2015, 07:21 AM
There were still some gangs on the go well into the 80s around the Dalkeith area. Woodburn and Mayfield had quite a rivalry and there was even one incident where a petrol bomb was thrown (a couple of years before the CCS even thought of it ;-) )

Hibrandenburg
02-10-2015, 09:50 AM
In the 60s/70s Wallyford, which is only a small village, had a fearsome reputation. A Mob from Niddrie came to check out just how tough the local gang, the Wally Toi, actually were. They were chased up and down the Village and locals spoke about it for years after, finding blood stained youths hiding in their back gardens.

Somebody had painted the words "Hell Town" on the sign at the entrance to the village and a photo of this was printed on the front page of the EN, with a story about the "Battle of Wallyford".

I was only a toddler when this happened but people my age used to boast about being in the "Toi", even though the actual gang had long since grown up and got jobs.

An artist's impression of real events. :wink:

Billy McKirdy
10-12-2016, 04:20 PM
I remember the Porty mob being very scared of a couple of guys in particular. Piershill had a high concentration of nutters for a small place.

Was born and brought in Piershill and can confirm it was a tough place with a fiercesome reputation.

Great place to be brought up though but even the two squares had a keen rivalry between each other.

cal-d hibs
10-12-2016, 05:53 PM
Was born and brought in Piershill and can confirm it was a tough place with a fiercesome reputation.

Great place to be brought up though but even the two squares had a keen rivalry between each other.

And the East Square are the nixies ;-)

Billy McKirdy
10-12-2016, 08:45 PM
And the East Square are the nixies ;-)

I'm sure they would say they were the Thomsons :wink:

Killiehibbie
12-12-2016, 10:13 AM
And the East Square are the nixies ;-)You'll never take the East Square. West was full of fannies apart from Billy.

Billy McKirdy
12-12-2016, 06:13 PM
You'll never take the East Square. West was full of fannies apart from Billy.

Very true :greengrin does that include big Dayo? :na na:

MSK
12-12-2016, 07:13 PM
Very true :greengrin does that include big Dayo? :na na:Now that guy could fight !! 😄 Up there with big Kellogs from Northfield, I was friendly with both....thank **** 😄

stoneyburn hibs
12-12-2016, 07:28 PM
Any recollection of the Aitkens from Piershill ?

Killiehibbie
12-12-2016, 07:35 PM
Very true :greengrin does that include big Dayo? :na na:He was lucky that he wasn't actually a Nixie.

Killiehibbie
12-12-2016, 07:37 PM
Now that guy could fight !! 😄 Up there with big Kellogs from Northfield, I was friendly with both....thank **** 😄Only ever saw him once and he was totally terrified.

Killiehibbie
12-12-2016, 07:41 PM
Any recollection of the Aitkens from Piershill ?
Saw Ian and Alan a couple of years ago.

stoneyburn hibs
12-12-2016, 07:51 PM
Saw Ian and Alan a couple of years ago.

My cousins from the East side 😀

MSK
12-12-2016, 08:06 PM
Only ever saw him once and he was totally terrified.Saw him scrap a couple of times, he was on form 👍

Killiehibbie
12-12-2016, 11:10 PM
Saw him scrap a couple of times, he was on form 👍
Just about peed his pants when Brendan Murphy cornered him.

Billy McKirdy
13-12-2016, 10:47 AM
Kellogs and Brendan Murphy.
That's two names I've not heard in a long time :greengrin

Billy McKirdy
13-12-2016, 12:52 PM
Saw Ian and Alan a couple of years ago.

Was in Alan''s taxi a few months ago 😎

Bishop Hibee
13-12-2016, 04:14 PM
Kellogs! A blast from the past. I stayed in Mountcastle. There was a guy who went by the name "Pickles" from the same area I think? Tough nuts. I remember some idiot in our company shouting "Kellog's cornflakes" at him and we all had to leg it good style. Ended up with us getting chased across the main Edinburgh-London railway line to get away!

silverhibee
13-12-2016, 10:48 PM
Dayo ? I remember a Dayo from many years ago, seen him about a year ago if it's the same guy I'm thinking of.

Dav1986
14-12-2016, 12:54 AM
Now that guy could fight !! 😄 Up there with big Kellogs from Northfield, I was friendly with both....thank **** 😄

Think I met kellogs once, I'm assuming it's the same guy but believe he is pals with my mates uncle who we used to meet for a couple of drinks for games. Always heard stories about how mental he was.

MSK
14-12-2016, 05:08 AM
Think I met kellogs once, I'm assuming it's the same guy but believe he is pals with my mates uncle who we used to meet for a couple of drinks for games. Always heard stories about how mental he was.I knew him from drinking in Right Wing & Willowbrae hotel, also played football with his older Brother in an old Bingham team called Capital Wanderers.