Hibs 1 vs Stranraer 0 FT

[weonlywon6-2]

Dry patch? Were in a friggin' desert.

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[H18S NX]

Thanks for the updates PB,sounds like it was pretty much what we have watching for a long while now.

[Ronster117]

here we go again, we won the game it's a cup tie smaller teams raise there game/play for a replay our world conquering neighbours needed extra time last night at Forfar Dundee went out all teams in the same division as Stranraer, we're in the next round keatings got a his first run out, Henderson Boyle McGinn another game under there belt why must it always be negative? Because it wasn't 8-0
:top marks


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[HFC 0-7]

here we go again, we won the game it's a cup tie smaller teams raise there game/play for a replay our world conquering neighbours needed extra time last night at Forfar Dundee went out all teams in the same division as Stranraer, we're in the next round keatings got a his first run out, Henderson Boyle McGinn another game under there belt why must it always be negative? Because it wasn't 8-0

There is a big difference here, they never raised their game, they were mince, we couldn't score!! The worrying thing here is that we still can't score when we have plenty of chances. Happened last season and looks like more of the same. It's negative because there are far more negatives than positives!

[Matty_Jack04]

No! It's negative cos we're s##t

Sh*t and in the next round, untangle ur knickers we took a massive kick in the baws both the petrofac and the Allan nonsense give them time ffs same old moaning and whining even when we win its boring

[haagsehibby]

By God that was grim viewing ! I keep hoping that it's all going to come good but it never seems to. The amount of misplaced passes from full time professional footballers is astonishing. What do they do all week at training ? They don't even look particularly fitter than the opposition.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hope it's no a full time team....:thumbsup:


where's spartans when we need them :grr:




i would not want Dunf...they are firing at the minute.


so basically we're down to hoping for just two teams...Livi or Morton :(...and at Home

[pennyhibee]

No! It's negative cos we're s

I'd say we were a bang average championship side not quite s

[Danderhall Hibs]

Yup, but it's not a dry patch...it's the Sahara desert

How many games are we into the season?!

Of course it's still only a dry patch. Last seasons league's top scorer and 3rd top scorer can and will get goals - we need the others to chip in.

[Forza Fred]

Thanks for the updates PB,sounds like it was pretty much what we have watching for a long while now.

Updates superb

Really appreciated:not worth

[Ronster117]

when is the draw for next round

[GreenCastle]

A win is a win...not going to complain we won.

Though I can't remember the last time we scored several goals and took a team apart - Falkirk away last season ?

Clubs seem to raise their game against us...

Another must win this weekend against Raith :agree:

Can't believe another muscular injury also!! :rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

How many games are we into the season?!

Of course it's still only a dry patch. Last seasons league's top scorer and 3rd top scorer can and will get goals - we need the others to chip in.

Yep, the strikers aren't the issue.

We barely created a clear cut chance for them tonight and none of the midfield looked like scoring.

Create chance for Cummings, Keatings, Malonga etc and they will score.

[LancsHibs]

Well that sounded like hard work! When's the draw?

[Matty_Jack04]

There is a big difference here, they never raised their game, they were mince, we couldn't score!! The worrying thing here is that we still can't score when we have plenty of chances. Happened last season and looks like more of the same. It's negative because there are far more negatives than positives!

We're relying on a young laddy up front because we've been unlucky with injuries...keatings is back now there's a positive another option, we've got Boyle and McGinn who never had much of a pre season if any getting match fitness same with Henderson there's another positive...we kept a clean sheet..another one...we're still creating chances..another etc etc

[Steve20]

Sign a striker that can actually finish and chuck in a midfielder that's capable of getting on the scoresheet too. Looks like we'll need to create about 25 chances a game to score 1 goal.

[ScapeGoat]

Fans have given up by the looks of it im worried about our management team

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There is the romance of the cup and while they were still in it there was an opportunity to cause a shock, but we were determined that wasn’t going to be us today

[Bristolhibby]

Thank **** that was over.

My last Hibs game was the 2-1 defeat away to Raith last season. From today there's nothing to show me that we will have a different result. It was a total huffing and puffing performance without doing anything.

Cmon Hibs, pick yourselves up!

J

[erskine-hibby]

Sh*t and in the next round, untangle ur knickers we took a massive kick in the baws both the petrofac and the Allan nonsense give them time ffs same old moaning and whining even when we win its boring

My knickers,as you say, are not tangled. We are s##t at the moment, that's not to say it won't get better and I think they will, still doesn't change the fact that we're piss poor.

[TheBruce]

There is a big difference here, they never raised their game, they were mince, we couldn't score!! The worrying thing here is that we still can't score when we have plenty of chances. Happened last season and looks like more of the same. It's negative because there are far more negatives than positives!

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[MileHighBees]

Well that sounded like hard work! When's the draw?

http://spfl.co.uk/key-dates/
Looks like it is sometime tomorrow.
Think it is seeded so we'll be playing a premiership team.

[jacomo]

There is a big difference here, they never raised their game, they were mince, we couldn't score!! The worrying thing here is that we still can't score when we have plenty of chances. Happened last season and looks like more of the same. It's negative because there are far more negatives than positives!

We won. That positive outweighs everything else.

[portyhibernian]

When teams don't attack us we don't look like scoring. Looked like scoring 2 or 3 at Ibrox because the game was very open, when the onus is on us to be creative in attack we are falling well short of the mark.

[andy1875]

hopefully Livi or Dunfy or Morton in the next round


Well that sounded like hard work! When's the draw?

Sure it's tomorrow at some point. I might be wrong.

[hibees 7062]

If Hibs win every game from now on 1-0 then I'd be very happy

Treble winners :greengrin

[TheBruce]

Yep, the strikers aren't the issue.

We barely created a clear cut chance for them tonight and none of the midfield looked like scoring.

Create chance for Cummings, Keatings, Malonga etc and they will score.

Rubbish ! Cummings missed sitter on Sunday !that is a problem with strikers!

[Thecat23]

Just back, that was grim and I mean grim! But hey we won 1-0 with an O.G right?!! 😴😴😴😴😴😴

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sure it's tomorrow at some point. I might be wrong.


it is....and no seeds

[Pretty Boy]

Rubbish ! Cummings missed sitter on Sunday !that is a problem with strikers!

He's also a teenager who scored 20+ goals last season in his 1st full season in the 1st team and his 2nd as a full time footballer.

News flash: every striker misses chances.

[erskine-hibby]

How many games are we into the season?!

Of course it's still only a dry patch. Last seasons league's top scorer and 3rd top scorer can and will get goals - we need the others to chip in.

We need ANYONE to chip in. This only goes to show that we really miss Scott Allan. Maybe someone will pick up that mantle, but they better.be quick

[HFC 0-7]

We're relying on a young laddy up front because we've been unlucky with injuries...keatings is back now there's a positive another option, we've got Boyle and McGinn who never had much of a pre season if any getting match fitness same with Henderson there's another positive...we kept a clean sheet..another one...we're still creating chances..another etc etc

We are relying on our top goal scorer from last season, not just some young laddy! I don't buy this crap about not having a pre season, we were playing ****ing Stranraer! Everything is such a struggle at the minute, we are not creating clean cut chances. The way we are set up today felt like we were playing a top quality side. we won't win leagues if we take this many games to get up to speed.

Raith at the weekend is a massive game now, stubbs and the team need to step up now and start clicking.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

What's the chances of us getting rangers or hearts

[Lago]

Hibs are not exactly giving us edge of your seat entertainment, 1 -0 og win not going to have people rushing back.

[MileHighBees]

it is....and no seeds

http://spfl.co.uk/news/article/league-cup-third-round-draw-details/


The draw for the third round of the Scottish League Cup will be made at Hampden Park this Thursday, August 27, at 2.30pm.

The 11 winners from this week's second-round ties will be joined in the last 16 by Celtic, Aberdeen, Inverness Caley Thistle, St Johnstone and Dundee United.

The draw will be seeded and third-round games are scheduled for September 22/23.

[ScapeGoat]

Rubbish ! Cummings missed sitter on Sunday !that is a problem with strikers!

You called?

[HFC 0-7]

We won. That positive outweighs everything else.

Rubbish. Do you think stubbs is happy and doesn't see anything wrong with today? I would bet he is raging with the performance rather than praising them with the positivity of a 1-0 win against Stranraer with an og!

[bigwheel]

Rubbish ! Cummings missed sitter on Sunday !that is a problem with strikers!


What sitter did Cummings miss on Sunday? You wouldn't be talking about the time when he hit it perfectly, and Wilson got in a superb block are you? Was there another? Might have been but can't recall it...

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Just home, where to start with that?..
The exact same as we have been watching for over a season now, loads of possession but just cannot finish a team off, it's getting a joke now. This season is going to go exactly like last season if we don't sort it pronto.
How come Rangers, who we matched on Sun can batter another team by 5 goals tonight yet again we're hanging on to a one goal lead?
If that was a one off then I'd be comfortable with just getting through, however it certainly wasn't. That's 3 goals we've managed in 4 games with 1 being an own goal-simply not good enough.
Oh and I had £20 on -1 which has compounded by frustration. Never betting on Hibs again. Can't even win a -1 against Stranraer ffs [emoji35]

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://spfl.co.uk/news/article/league-cup-third-round-draw-details/




The draw will be seeded


one day....just ONE DAY chick ******* young will actually get something right

[Squealing pig]

Draw half 2 tomorrow

[Boyle89]

Boring! Got through that's all that matters I suppose.

[Matty_Jack04]

We are relying on our top goal scorer from last season, not just some young laddy! I don't buy this crap about not having a pre season, we were playing ****ing Stranraer! Everything is such a struggle at the minute, we are not creating clean cut chances. The way we are set up today felt like we were playing a top quality side. we won't win leagues if we take this many games to get up to speed.

Raith at the weekend is a massive game now, stubbs and the team need to step up now and start clicking.

As mentioned above that top scorer is in his 2nd season full time he can't carry the goal threat on his own, we've made a lot of new signings why are hibs the only team in world football not allowed a gelling period? I understand the worry about slipping too far behind sevco but even playing how we are just now we're not much worse than they are, last season we started slowly and went on a long unbeaten run in the league pumping sevco twice in the process...it's early doors there's no need for panic or pilling on the pressure even more

[SHODAN]

What's the chances of us getting rangers or hearts

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[E10 Rifle]

There was some neat stuff tonight but it was very boring, thank god for Dylan coming back and the Oxley save. So a few points:


We seem to have a fear of hitting the byline. We do it once and the goal comes from it. Beyond that we try these crosses from 18 yards out that simply don't work.

Boyle, I'm confused by what role he is playing in the team, and he seems confused too.

Finally, sorry, but on what I've seen, and I know it's early doors, Carmichael looks out his depth to me

[TheBruce]

He's also a teenager who scored 20+ goals last season in his 1st full season in the 1st team and his 2nd as a full time footballer.

News flash: every striker misses chances.

He's 20 ! He is a professional footballer with no right foot ! Playing in a league ! I'm not saying strikers don't miss chances but you only have to look at the stats from last season to see how many were missed ! If he had scored half his chances last year he'd have scored 40 ! Fact ! The fact we aren't scoring goals is also the reason that only 5000 people turned up tonight !

[ScapeGoat]

Rubbish. Do you think stubbs is happy and doesn't see anything wrong with today? I would bet he is raging with the performance rather than praising them with the positivity of a 1-0 win against Stranraer with an og!

It`s not the ideal result - far from it - but the players are under no illusions what I expect. There were too many who were not at it today.

[TheBruce]

What sitter did Cummings miss on Sunday? You wouldn't be talking about the time when he hit it perfectly, and Wilson got in a superb block are you? Was there another? Might have been but can't recall it...

Yeah there was Boyle played it across the box to Cummings unmarked ! Poor right foot finish !!!!

[RoxburghHibs]

What's the chances of us getting rangers or hearts

None as I don't think they are seeded.

8 top flight teams from last season remain in the draw.

[givescotlandfreedom]

That was pretty dire. Only positives were McGeouch (man of the match by some way) and Oxley made a good save. We never really battered them, loads of possession around the box but not much in getting behind them. Cairney is pretty chunky and wasn't particularly good in their side who played to their strengths well.

[bigwheel]

Yeah there was Boyle played it across the box to Cummings unmarked ! Poor right foot finish !!!!


I honestly think Cummings is the least of our worries...he'll score over 20 again this season....superb return.

I'm more worried about the contribution from others...remember when Boyle on Sunday was through and chose to try with the outside of his right foot rather than having a ping with his left? It's the many occasions of stuff like that that will hurt us...

[Danderhall Hibs]

We need ANYONE to chip in. This only goes to show that we really miss Scott Allan. Maybe someone will pick up that mantle, but they better.be quick

Scott Allan barely chipped in with goals - it was a criticism I had of him last season but most couldn't see it because they were head over heels.

[sleeping giant]

You called?

:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

As mentioned above that top scorer is in his 2nd season full time he can't carry the goal threat on his own, we've made a lot of new signings why are hibs the only team in world football not allowed a gelling period? I understand the worry about slipping too far behind sevco but even playing how we are just now we're not much worse than they are, last season we started slowly and went on a long unbeaten run in the league pumping sevco twice in the process...it's early doors there's no need for panic or pilling on the pressure even more

Agree with most of this however the problem with Hibs over the last few seasons has been the definition of this "gelling" thing.

Just using this season as an example, you could say that we had a more settled squad than the new boys at the rangers, they are in the same league, playing similar dross to us but despite having made a number of changes this season the gelling hasn't taken so long and they are winning fairly easily (Sunday aside) Last season the yam brought in a lot of new players, gelled, and were out of sight before most of their rivals reacted.

We don't seem to arrive at the seasons beginning properly prepared, why do we need longer to start winning well? Especially in a lower division. Not a direct question to anyone, just a heid scratcher for me - I just don't get the logic in saying we will come good part way through the season.

[TheBruce]

I honestly think Cummings is the least of our worries...he'll score over 20 again this season....superb return.

I'm more worried about the contribution from others...remember when Boyle on Sunday was through and chose to try with the outside of his right foot rather than having a ping with his left? It's the many occasions of stuff like that that will hurt us...

My and others point exactly!

We don't take our chances and seeing we only play with one striker against Stranraer at home Cummings is gonna get criticism!!

[erskine-hibby]

Scott Allan barely chipped in with goals - it was a criticism I had of him last season but most couldn't see it because they were head over heels.
He was the creative heart of the team though, something we are sadly lacking at the moment.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

He was the creative heart of the team though, something we are sadly lacking at the moment.

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We created plenty on Sunday.

[GreenCastle]

Just home, where to start with that?..
The exact same as we have been watching for over a season now, loads of possession but just cannot finish a team off, it's getting a joke now. This season is going to go exactly like last season if we don't sort it pronto.
How come Rangers, who we matched on Sun can batter another team by 5 goals tonight yet again we're hanging on to a one goal lead?
If that was a one off then I'd be comfortable with just getting through, however it certainly wasn't. That's 3 goals we've managed in 4 games with 1 being an own goal-simply not good enough.
Oh and I had £20 on -1 which has compounded by frustration. Never betting on Hibs again. Can't even win a -1 against Stranraer ffs [emoji35]


Said it during pre-season we are very similar to last season - yes we have added players but we need to change our style of play and find a way to be more direct and punish teams.

Possession with purpose - get ahead then finish teams off.

We can't be that surprised we don't score many from midfield - all you have to do is look at the stats of these players and they don't score many.

[E10 Rifle]

That was pretty dire. Only positives were McGeouch (man of the match by some way) and Oxley made a good save. We never really battered them, loads of possession around the box but not much in getting behind them. Cairney is pretty chunky and wasn't particularly good in their side who played to their strengths well.

Jeesh was that Cairney! :shocked::shocked::shocked: He's been on the pies

[Matty_Jack04]

Agree with most of this however the problem with Hibs over the last few seasons has been the definition of this "gelling" thing.

Just using this season as an example, you could say that we had a more settled squad than the new boys at the rangers, they are in the same league, playing similar dross to us but despite having made a number of changes this season the gelling hasn't taken so long and they are winning fairly easily (Sunday aside) Last season the yam brought in a lot of new players, gelled, and were out of sight before most of their rivals reacted.

We don't seem to arrive at the seasons beginning properly prepared, why do we need longer to start winning well? Especially in a lower division. Not a direct question to anyone, just a heid scratcher for me - I just don't get the logic in saying we will come good part way through the season.

3 of rangers signings came from the same team, hearts had all there deals done dusted and bedded in during pre season...a critism of us last year we where'nt quick enough this year we where and we had an injury list as long as ur arm by the time the season kicked off we can't then expect the players to hit the ground running as soon as there put on the park they need games once there match fit and used to each other I have no doubt we'll put together more convincing performances but right now wins are what we want

[vanNISHtelroy]

How did Connor Brennan do in goal for Stranraer?

Glad to see him get some games on loan from us

[erskine-hibby]

We created plenty on Sunday.
Agreed we worked really hard to make some chances, but IMHO Allan could split a team with just one pass...In other words, create something out of nothing. I just hope someone in our present squad can do something similar.

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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Jeesh was that Cairney! :shocked::shocked::shocked: He's been on the pies

It all started with the belting incident. Addiction is a horrible thing..

[Hiber-nation]

How did Connor Brennan do in goal for Stranraer?

Glad to see him get some games on loan from us

Had very little to do! A few tame shots straight at him. Couple of dodgy clearances in the 1st half.

[HFC 0-7]

As mentioned above that top scorer is in his 2nd season full time he can't carry the goal threat on his own, we've made a lot of new signings why are hibs the only team in world football not allowed a gelling period? I understand the worry about slipping too far behind sevco but even playing how we are just now we're not much worse than they are, last season we started slowly and went on a long unbeaten run in the league pumping sevco twice in the process...it's early doors there's no need for panic or pilling on the pressure even more

Oh for **** sake! Now we are back trotting out the 'time to gel' line! Hearts last season had basically a new squad, Rangers this season yet it's only us that needs this gelling period. Today wasn't a lack of gelling, it's wrong tactics and bad play.

[bigwheel]

Agreed we worked really hard to make some chances, but IMHO Allan could split a team with just one pass...In other words, create something out of nothing. I just hope someone in our present squad can do something similar.

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lets' give the new guys some time...remember Allan didn't even start a game for Hibs until about 3-4 weeks after he had been signed....McGinn is already looking good and Henderson will grow as he gets more games - they are obviously talents...

[Pretty Boy]

How did Connor Brennan do in goal for Stranraer?

Glad to see him get some games on loan from us

He wasn't hugely tested but had a couple of good saves, 1 he tipped onto the bar, and dealt with everything else competently enough. 2 or 3 good punches when under pressure at crosses as well.

[bigwheel]

How did Connor Brennan do in goal for Stranraer?

Glad to see him get some games on loan from us


Is that you we've been seeing on youtube this week? :wink:

[Onion]

Just back... poor game and poor display by Hibs against a basic team that put 10 players behind the ball. McGinn was the best player on the park until he tired, and looks like he'll be a key guy for us this season. McGeough started well but drifted out for long spells. McGregor had a decent debut and slotted well into RB position - strong and comfortable on the ball. Number of players were off their game incl Fyvie and Cummings and some looked worryingly out of their depth. We have no guile in mid and little threat up front. Cummings looks like the only guy who might do something in front of goal.

What was a real chance to bang in some goals and boost confidence has just emphasised our need for a proper striker. Unless Stubbs sorts that we'll find a lot of games hard going in the Champ. In saying that, it was a win in the cup so chance to be better next round.

[vanNISHtelroy]

He wasn't hugely tested but had a couple of good saves, 1 he tipped onto the bar, and dealt with everything else competently enough. 2 or 3 good punches when under pressure at crosses as well.

Ah well that sounds ok.

He came in and played well for two and a half games after Samson got injured last season, but then got dropped as soon as Samson was fit again

[TheBruce]

lets' give the new guys some time...remember Allan didn't even start a game for Hibs until about 3-4 weeks after he had been signed....McGinn is already looking good and Henderson will grow as he gets more games - they are obviously talents...

We haven't got time !!!! Fact ! No hiding we are way behind already in all respects. We are now in a battle to achieve a play off spot ! Even Stubbs said we can't afford a slow start again this year! Well it's too late !!!

[vanNISHtelroy]

Is that you we've been seeing on youtube this week? :wink:

Nope :)


Although I'm sure we've all had a rant like that (minus the need to film it and put it on internet!)

[SteveHFC]

That was ****ing dreadful. Never felt so bored for a long time.

[Borderhibbie76]

Just back, that was grim and I mean grim! But hey we won 1-0 with an O.G right?!! 😴😴😴😴😴😴

As bored as I think I've ever been at a hibs match ever...truly dire stuff and stubbs never thought to change things? ? Baffling

[Bostonhibby]

3 of rangers signings came from the same team, hearts had all there deals done dusted and bedded in during pre season...a critism of us last year we where'nt quick enough this year we where and we had an injury list as long as ur arm by the time the season kicked off we can't then expect the players to hit the ground running as soon as there put on the park they need games once there match fit and used to each other I have no doubt we'll put together more convincing performances but right now wins are what we want


:agree: The point about the rangers and the yams is they made a number of changes and presumably preparation preseason not that different to us possibly but they arrived looking ready for it, I get the point about our unfortunate injuries but they are a part of our preseason either because we signed a few who were carrying injuries or we didn't manage to get the longer term injured from last season back, or adequately cover it with the new season in mind.

I could just as easily have pointed at Queen of the South as an example of being ready for when the season actually starts.

I suppose my latest frustration is there always seems to be something that isn't really our fault that just seems to get in the way of punching our weight from the off and we usually find a way to accept it. Any roads, onwards and upwards, we wont have to battle the likes of Stranraer every week.

[green day]

We haven't got time !!!! Fact ! No hiding we are way behind already in all respects. We are now in a battle to achieve a play off spot ! Even Stubbs said we can't afford a slow start again this year! Well it's too late !!!

Dearie me, you need to calm down or up the dosage.

[bigwheel]

We haven't got time !!!! Fact ! No hiding we are way behind already in all respects. We are now in a battle to achieve a play off spot ! Even Stubbs said we can't afford a slow start again this year! Well it's too late !!!


I can sense you smashing the keyboard :-) ...well, they need time...that's just the way it is.

You can argue that they should have been signed earlier - I would agree with that. I also think that we have only now had enough games - we didn't at pre season..we should have had at least 2-3 more.

But you can't expect new players to be at 100% in the first 2-3 games - it rarely happens.

[erskine-hibby]

lets' give the new guys some time...remember Allan didn't even start a game for Hibs until about 3-4 weeks after he had been signed....McGinn is already looking good and Henderson will grow as he gets more games - they are obviously talents...
Yes, though time is something we can run out of very quickly. We must start showing up...starting Saturday.

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[SaulGoodman]

Lots of decent individual performances but once again we panic and forget what to do whenever we're near the goal.

McGregor had a good debut, was up and down the line all game, some good crosses and looks strong on the ball.

McGinn again came onto a game.

Mcgeouch was head and shoulders above every other player.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

How did Connor Brennan do in goal for Stranraer?

Glad to see him get some games on loan from us

Was annoying me with the amount of time he was wasting in the first half. Somebody should have told him there was no need as we were unlikely to play with much urgency ourselves [emoji57]

[bigwheel]

Yes, though time is something we can run out of very quickly. We must start showing up...starting Saturday.

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i do agree with that - and actually I think Raith is a tricky game - They are better than last season, and I expect them to be top 5 this season - an outside bet for the play off spots...so we will be tested that's for sure. I think it will be a good game - we will have to be our best to win.

[Matty_Jack04]

Oh for **** sake! Now we are back trotting out the 'time to gel' line! Hearts last season had basically a new squad, Rangers this season yet it's only us that needs this gelling period. Today wasn't a lack of gelling, it's wrong tactics and bad play.

Key words 'hearts last season' is what it all boils down too, far too many thinking we should p**s it like they did, they had a whole spl
Season to prepare for the championship they where down before a ball was kicked, we where a ****ing shambles of a club that needed changed top to bottom that doesn't happen over night, the team we have now is night and day compared to the relegated team and we need to be a little more patient, Rangers where always favourites for the league they've brought in 3 players from Wigan they already know each other 2 of them play at the back that's why they gelled quickly, mcgeoch signed permanent last week he comes into a team he played with last year and Craig Robertson and Allan aren't there from who he played with in the middle, I don't think we've played a game this year with the same defenders in the side, gie them a break a couple of weeks game time and training and someone will be due a spanking

[Hibernia&Alba]

Confidence is low and the spark isn't there. Performances need to improve soon, before it becomes a real problem.

[Thecat23]

As bored as I think I've ever been at a hibs match ever...truly dire stuff and stubbs never thought to change things? ? Baffling

Yeah exactly how I was. What's happened to Hibs? Something just isn't right and I don't know what it is.

[lucky]

That was truly awful. But at least we got through. We still lack pace and penetration

[Jones28]

Oh for **** sake! Now we are back trotting out the 'time to gel' line! Hearts last season had basically a new squad, Rangers this season yet it's only us that needs this gelling period. Today wasn't a lack of gelling, it's wrong tactics and bad play.


This gelling thing isn't washing for me either. Especially this season as most of our players are players who were on loan at us or who have signed extensions to their contracts. Henderson need time to fit in but Carmichael had a fair bit of preseason with us did he not?

[Radium]

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Post match interview

[Thecat23]

Key words 'hearts last season' is what it all boils down too, far too many thinking we should p**s it like they did, they had a whole spl
Season to prepare for the championship they where down before a ball was kicked, we where a ****ing shambles of a club that needed changed top to bottom that doesn't happen over night, the team we have now is night and day compared to the relegated team and we need to be a little more patient, Rangers where always favourites for the league they've brought in 3 players from Wigan they already know each other 2 of them play at the back that's why they gelled quickly, mcgeoch signed permanent last week he comes into a team he played with last year and Craig Robertson and Allan aren't there from who he played with in the middle, I don't think we've played a game this year with the same defenders in the side, gie them a break a couple of weeks game time and training and someone will be due a spanking

In all fairness we had all last season as well. We knew what to expect this season yet it's the same thing happening! The level we are playing at players don't have to gel they should adapt right away to this. The Rangers have and have the same mentality as Hearts last season and this season. They expect to WIN all games. No matter who it is confidence in the team and manager is that strong they are both wanting and expecting to win all games.

We go into games soft as ***** and it needs to stop. Change the mentality of the club, start acting like footballers not scared little boys. Hibs are crawling on their hands and knees during games we need to be coming out the traps flying and battering sides so they hate playing us. Sick to death of excuses it's time to get it right for once.

[Matty_Jack04]

This gelling thing isn't washing for me either. Especially this season as most of our players are players who were on loan at us or who have signed extensions to their contracts. Henderson need time to fit in but Carmichael had a fair bit of preseason with us did he not?

Fyvie mcgeoch only midfielders from last year mcgeoch hasn't played a game since he left us in the summer

[vanNISHtelroy]

Was annoying me with the amount of time he was wasting in the first half. Somebody should have told him there was no need as we were unlikely to play with much urgency ourselves [emoji57]

Could borrow Kenny Shiels' stopwatch to see how much time was wasted!

[Thecat23]

Fyvie mcgeoch only midfielders from last year mcgeoch hasn't played a game since he left us in the summer

Look at who we are playing every week. People need to stop using this "need to gel" excuse it's laughable! They are pro footballers who train every day together! It's not rocket science they are learning. The sooner folk see that the better!

[high bee]

Started well and looked dangerous immediately after the goal but once it doesn't go in for is after 10 mins of urgency we seem to buckle mentally and it slows right down.

Big problem was spotting the right pass, delaying (dithering) then playing the pass once it was no longer on (or not such a good opportunity)

Was summed up when JC was in 5 yards of space on the 18 yard line, just needed a short pass to be played in and the midfielder kept it and after a few seconds of shimmying in a panic the ball went sideways.

[Matty_Jack04]

In all fairness we had all last season as well. We knew what to expect this season yet it's the same thing happening! The level we are playing at players don't have to gel they should adapt right away to this. The Rangers have and have the same mentality as Hearts last season and this season. They expect to WIN all games. No matter who it is confidence in the team and manager is that strong they are both wanting and expecting to win all games.

We go into games soft as ***** and it needs to stop. Change the mentality of the club, start acting like footballers not scared little boys. Hibs are crawling on their hands and knees during games we need to be coming out the traps flying and battering sides so they hate playing us. Sick to death of excuses it's time to get it right for once.

We did prepare we had boys in early unfortunately they've been injured, how many chances on Sunday do you think a fit keatings would have missed? We've been unlucky same old hibs i know id love us to be battering teams but we're not going to do that with half fit players

[mca]

We go into games soft as ***** and it needs to stop. Change the mentality of the club, start acting like footballers not scared little boys. Hibs are crawling on their hands and knees during games we need to be coming out the traps flying and battering sides so they hate playing us. Sick to death of excuses it's time to get it right for once.


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[H18S NX]

We did prepare we had boys in early unfortunately they've been injured, how many chances on Sunday do you think a fit keatings would have missed? We've been unlucky same old hibs i know id love us to be battering teams but we're not going to do that with half fit players Is keatings that good,i am asking as i have no memory of ever seeing him play

[Thecat23]

We did prepare we had boys in early unfortunately they've been injured, how many chances on Sunday do you think a fit keatings would have missed? We've been unlucky same old hibs i know id love us to be battering teams but we're not going to do that with half fit players

Don't get me wrong, we needed guys like Keatings from the start but the first 11 that played Dumbarton should be good enough to win and win easily IMO.

Time to man up and start acting like footballers. Also Stubbs needs to work on breaking teams down because passing it side to side will do nothing If they still sit in.

[Thecat23]

Is keatings that good,i am asking as i have no memory of ever seeing him play

His stats at this level will tell you all you need to know. Yes he's good!

[Danderhall Hibs]

His stats at this level will tell you all you need to know. Yes he's good!

Did he score more or less than Cummings last season? Or Malonga? What about the season before?

Not trying to have a pop at Keatings.

[E10 Rifle]

Don't get me wrong, we needed guys like Keatings from the start but the first 11 that played Dumbarton should be good enough to win and win easily IMO.

Time to man up and start acting like footballers. Also Stubbs needs to work on breaking teams down because passing it side to side will do nothing If they still sit in.

Agree - was crying out for someone to hit the byline tonight as the middle was rammed

[Thecat23]

Did he score more or less than Cummings last season? Or Malonga? What about the season before?

Not trying to have a pop at Keatings.

13 in 30 for Hamilton

11 in 29 for Hearts, that's mostly from the bench. His goals to mins on the pitch is very good!

[Danderhall Hibs]

13 in 30 for Hamilton

11 in 29 for Hearts, that's mostly from the bench. He goals to mins on the pitch is very good!

Not bad. Nearly on a par with Cummings.

[bigwheel]

His stats at this level will tell you all you need to know. Yes he's good!


i think we have to be a bit tempered with Keatings . He scored 11 last season for hearts in 29 appearances. I know most were from the bench so a decent return. He scored 13 from 30 games with Hamilton the season before, and 2 the year before that..He's only scored 26 senior goals. Cummings has probably got more than that...That said, I've only heard good things about him, so he will be a great addition to the 11.

[high bee]

His stats at this level will tell you all you need to know. Yes he's good!

I hope he doesn't suffer from our style of play. Was sobering tonight to say the least. Same problems different game.

[BSEJVT]

Where to start:

We are so slow and deliberate its painful to watch

They tried absolutely nothing off the cuff and look completely afraid and over coached.

Our pattern of play is identical and if we cant pull off the Zambernadi type punt to the right back we look clueless.

We play nice pretty possession football that takes us nowhere.

We don't look anything like fit, they came far more into the game later on.

We actually looked far worse after we scored when they pushed up a bit and pressed us on the ball.

Folk can argue all they want about different systems of play and different formations and whether it was 3 5 2 or whatever we looked utterly punchless.

We need to be playing 2 actual proper strikers who can work off each other.

We need to inject some pace and width into an attack that specialises in lofted crosses in the 3rd of 4th wave of the attack once the defence has got organised beyond the back post to a team of midgets or trying to play through balls through spaces that don't exist.

I have to say after that performance that my fears about Stubbs intensify every time I watch us, we are so slow and predictable and seem to have no other plan to change the way we play.

Its great having 2 full backs who push on and create but McGregor and Stevenson aren't them , with the result that at times they were further forward than the midfield who possibly, given the chance could create as they have enough ability.

Its a new team. maybe it will all click but I have severe reservations at this point in time.

[Alfred E Newman]

We seem to have a clutter of midfield players playing in the central areas. Even Boyle and Carmichael when he came on drifted inside. I thought when Fyfie got injured he would bring on either Malonga or Keatings and play a more orthodox looking set up but he brought on Carmichael for more of the same. Cummings goes off and Keatings comes on as the lone front man.
Even with natural wingers in the side there seems to be little width and a reluctance to take the ball to the by line. When you struggle to break down the likes of Stranraer you have to assume this 4-3-2-1 Christmas tree formation is just not working.

[Thecat23]

i think we have to be a bit tempered with Keatings . He scored 11 last season for hearts in 29 appearances. I know most were from the bench so a decent return. He scored 13 from 30 games with Hamilton the season before, and 2 the year before that..He's only scored 26 senior goals. Cummings has probably got more than that...That said, I've only heard good things about him, so he will be a great addition to the 11.

Why are folk comparing him with Cummings out of interest? I'd play them both! I'm not saying Cummings isn't better or is worse I'm just saying Keatings is a very good striker who works hard and runs the channels well.

[Thecat23]

Not bad. Nearly on a par with Cummings.

Yeah both got a good record in this league.

[bigwheel]

Why are folk comparing him with Cummings out of interest? I'd play them both! I'm not saying Cummings isn't better or is worse I'm just saying Keatings is a very good striker who works hard and runs the channels well.


i was only comparing amount of goals...Keatings stats are good but not astounding..not suggesting they can't play together. in fact I think it's important they do...

[Smartie]

That was about as dull a game as I can ever remember. I can't remember any Hibs win when I'd spent much of the evening wishing I'd done something else.

Started off fine, if we can get a goal during one of these bright early spells then we might go on and give someone a doing, otherwise it settles into a very predictable pattern.

McGeoch had a very good game (I forgot how good a player he was) and McGregor had a good, solid game. McGinn wasn't bad and Henderson was decent in spells.

We have big problems "joining up" the strikers and the midfield. I can't see the midfield creating the chances the strikers will take. It's hard to see the kind of goals that we'll score as a team. I can't put my finger on what's wrong or what we need to do to sort it - there is no doubt that we have a number of very talented and committed individuals in these positions and we do pass the ball well. There is just no cutting edge. Maybe Keatings will bring some clever movement to bring the best out of Cummings and Henderson, to allow McGeoch to get up there, create space for McGinn to get shots away?

Whilst it was generally a poor night, at least we got the win and got through.

And to finish on a real positive I think great credit should go to Mark Oxley tonight. He had a wonder save during the first half tonight, up high and agile to get to it - many have criticised his ability to get to these. He has made outstanding saves at 0-0 in our last 3 games now, games that have yielded 2 shutouts and seen us only lose 1 goal (imo a wonder strike of a free-kick against The Rangers). Yes, he may not have had that much to do but he's kept his concentration well and done what has been required of him. He was getting pelters after giving away the goals he did against Rangers in the 6-2 game and then in the Dumbarton game - I think he's been top-notch since then. Well done to the Ox.

[GreenCastle]

In all fairness we had all last season as well. We knew what to expect this season yet it's the same thing happening! The level we are playing at players don't have to gel they should adapt right away to this. The Rangers have and have the same mentality as Hearts last season and this season. They expect to WIN all games. No matter who it is confidence in the team and manager is that strong they are both wanting and expecting to win all games.

We go into games soft as ***** and it needs to stop. Change the mentality of the club, start acting like footballers not scared little boys. Hibs are crawling on their hands and knees during games we need to be coming out the traps flying and battering sides so they hate playing us. Sick to death of excuses it's time to get it right for once.


:agree::top marks Good post - excuses are easy to make every week...

Injuries
Change of managers / transistion
Time to gel
No pre-season
etc

[Thecat23]

i was only comparing amount of goals...Keatings stats are good but not astounding..not suggesting they can't play together. in fact I think it's important they do...

Ah right fair enough 👍🏼

Yeah I think it's very important they do! Keatings will run where Malonga doesn't chase. I like Dom but I'd prefer Cummings and Keatings.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why are folk comparing him with Cummings out of interest? I'd play them both! I'm not saying Cummings isn't better or is worse I'm just saying Keatings is a very good striker who works hard and runs the channels well.

I'm comparing them because I think it's unfair that Cummings is getting criticised and Keatings is the answer when in reality he's just the same but with less goals.

[500miles]

We were screaming out for someone who could take a shot from distance, because Stranraer where just packing out the box whenever we got into their half.

I thought Stanton should have come on for Henderson after about 70 minutes, he would have had loads of time and space.

[Danderhall Hibs]

We were screaming out for someone who could take a shot from distance, because Stranraer where just packing out the box whenever we got into their half.

I thought Stanton should have come on for Henderson after about 70 minutes, he would have had loads of time and space.


Missed that last season as well. Another thing Hearts had last season - when teams come and sit in you need to draw them out.

[Thecat23]

I'm comparing them because I think it's unfair that Cummings is getting criticised and Keatings is the answer when in reality he's just the same but with less goals.

I wasn't criticising Cummings? He's our best striker by a mile and I think he should be playing every week! Keatings along side him I think we would score goals. But we need others to create chances and chip in too.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I wasn't criticising Cummings? He's our best striker by a mile and I think he should be playing every week! Keatings along side him I think we would score goals. But we need others to create chances and chip in too.

I didn't mean to imply you were - just a general point about some posts I've read on here.

[bigwheel]

Ah right fair enough 

Yeah I think it's very important they do! Keatings will run where Malonga doesn't chase. I like Dom but I'd prefer Cummings and Keatings.


i think the both of them together will give us a more dynamic front two, it could make a big difference. Dom could be the best of the bunch, but it's down to application - and if he had it at a top consistent level - he would be playing higher level than us. He doesn't have the work rate and consistency that we need. it's as if he doesn't quite "care" enough.

[Thecat23]

I didn't mean to imply you were - just a general point about some posts I've read on here.

Ah right I see. No worries! 👍🏼

[Thecat23]

i think the both of them together will give us a more dynamic front two, it could make a big difference. Dom could be the best of the bunch, but it's down to application - and if he had it at a top consistent level - he would be playing higher level than us. He doesn't have the work rate and consistency that we need. it's as if he doesn't quite "care" enough.

Yeah his work rate lets him down. Great finisher but sometimes he just drifts out a game and lets loose balls go out when others would chase them down.

[dmc1875]

Yeah his work rate lets him down. Great finisher but sometimes he just drifts out a game and lets loose balls go out when others would chase them down.

Malongas our best striker for me, when he can be bothered which is he problem. Cummings scores the scrappy goals and has a knack for being in the right place at the right time which is great for a striker but he contributes little to the game, however he's getting better and learning.

Cant judge Keatings and farid is never going to be fit for a full season. We need a consistent performer up front.

[Sir David Gray]

A win's a win and that's the most important thing, particularly in a cup game but we really need to adapt to cope with playing against teams who sit in and defend for 90 mins.

With the exception of Sevco, every team we play this season will adopt this tactic against us and we need to find a way to overcome it.

[Jones28]

Fyvie mcgeoch only midfielders from last year mcgeoch hasn't played a game since he left us in the summer

And the rest of the team? 3 new players in total shouldn't need 4,5,6 games to gel.

[truehibernian]

In the hat for the next round that is the main thing - Oxley made a terrific stop, fair play after my criticism.

Hamilton, Dundee and Partick all bowing out to lower league opposition - Hearts and 'Well needing extra time.

Wee bit of perspective required in cup ties at times - it's their finals and they raise their game. That said I want Hibs to have more pace and urgency for longer periods, not 10 minutes here and there. The game management needs to be far far better. Try and win games in 60 minutes, which means hard hard work in the first 45 to build a lead. We are far too quick to get into a possession game rather than a direct game in the first 20 minutes. Early goals change the whole dynamic of a game and we need to be far more direct in the opening quarter for me. Our mental side to a game is still fragile - building early leads will change that.

[NAE NOOKIE]

For a 10 minute spell after the goal we moved the ball quickly and well and you could see the difference it made, we looked much, much more affective and for a minute the 'crowd' got into it. Unfortunately we need to play like that for 70 minutes, not 10.

For the most part we were too slow and ponderous, no guile on show to make chances and no shots from outside the box. We made it far too easy for Stranraer to get organized at the back.

WTF is wrong with 442? ....... You don't need fancy formations against 10 men behind the ball.

[Matty_Jack04]

And the rest of the team? 3 new players in total shouldn't need 4,5,6 games to gel.

Henderson
McGinn
Keatings
Carmichael
Bartley
Reguero
McGregor

It's not just the gelling mate we've got too many players either coming back from injury or just not up to match fitness, McGinn Henderson mcgeoch Boyle keatings all barely kicked a ball since last season

[silverhibee]

****ing dreadful stuff last night, Stubbs needs to give himself a good ****ingshake, keep playing like that and we might not make the play off's this season.

Just so ****ingwoeful from that team.

Freekicks and throw in's, get it ****ingsorted FFS.

[givescotlandfreedom]

****ing dreadful stuff last night, Stubbs needs to give himself a good ****ingshake, keep playing like that and we might not make the play off's this season.

Just so ****ingwoeful from that team.

Freekicks and throw in's, get it ****ingsorted FFS.

So you weren't impressed, SH ;)

[Nemo]

It was frustrating stuff, but i think any team should be given the time to build momentum, thats so important.

at the moment we can almost see there's a cracking team in there somewhere

for me its a confidence thing with them, which manifests itself in slow, pedestrian play with a lack of pace or urgency.

by hook or by crook if we can get a few wins i think this team will really take off and we'll see some quality football...

...in the meantime hold on to your hats!!

[H18S NX]

****ing dreadful stuff last night, Stubbs needs to give himself a good ****ingshake, keep playing like that and we might not make the play off's this season.

Just so ****ingwoeful from that team.

Freekicks and throw in's, get it ****ingsorted FFS...I take it you were rather underwhelmed then SH.

[Lucius Apuleius]

As an aside, never seen so much west coast bias by a referee. Some shocking decisions!

[HFC 0-7]

In the hat for the next round that is the main thing - Oxley made a terrific stop, fair play after my criticism.

Hamilton, Dundee and Partick all bowing out to lower league opposition - Hearts and 'Well needing extra time.

Wee bit of perspective required in cup ties at times - it's their finals and they raise their game. That said I want Hibs to have more pace and urgency for longer periods, not 10 minutes here and there. The game management needs to be far far better. Try and win games in 60 minutes, which means hard hard work in the first 45 to build a lead. We are far too quick to get into a possession game rather than a direct game in the first 20 minutes. Early goals change the whole dynamic of a game and we need to be far more direct in the opening quarter for me. Our mental side to a game is still fragile - building early leads will change that.

I think the people criticising do have perspective. They were not looking at this one game in isolation, they were looking at how things have been so far this season and the issues we had last season. The tactics were strange, we should have had more attacking players on the pitch from the start.

[jacomo]

I wish we'd lost now, all this moaning is spoiled by the fact we won the game.

:rolleyes:

[Baldy Foghorn]

We won, and have a nice home tie to look forward to. 3 SPL teams went out, whilst 2 won AET. A win is a win......Cup is all about getting through