Hibs club v st pats branch

[Hermit Crab]

yip

Thats fine.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Thats fine.

On the positive, you saved a fiver:aok:

[tamig]

Not sure what changes the branch were proposing so can't really begin to understand what was behind Reilly's outlandish behaviour. The man is portrayed as a buffoon - and rightly so based on a lot of what I've read or heard from him. However, in the interests of balance, I'd hope that the branch's proposals did not mirror some of the fantasy that's trotted out by Glorious St Pat on this board. But being fair, a few members of the branch have stated that that person's views aren't representative of those of the branch. Some of his/her musings would be enough to ruffle the feathers of any normally calm individual.

[FranckSuzy]

1 and 2 are rule changes 3 and 4 will be in any other business. The wording of 4 is slightly different to that which will be discussed at the AGM.

1.This meeting agrees that the principle function of the Association is not reflected in the
current rules and agrees to delete Rule 2 of the current rules and replace it as follows: -
The objective of the Association is to promote the interests of Hibernian FC and to act as the
focal point of interaction between members of the Association and the football club.

2.This meeting is aware that there was an attempt to exclude a member from the 2014 AGM
because he was and “out of town member”. To ensure that this discrimination cannot be
repeated this meeting agrees that all members of the Association are entitled to attend and
vote at General Meetings of the Association.

3.The meeting agrees that the current rule book has the rules of the social club placed before
the rules of the Association and therefore implies that the club is the more important. This
meeting believes that this undermines the value of the Association and the Trustees are
therefore instructed to reverse this by placing the Association rules first in order of the rule
book.

4.While we agree that the Hibernian Supporters Club is well run and complies fully with the
current rules it is delivered by elected volunteers working hard on behalf of members at a
cost of them having to carry the burden of an excessive workload in order to deliver the
requirements of both the management of the social club and representing members
interests as an association. This meeting is of the view that in light of the changing face of
Hibernian FC it may now be more appropriate to remove some of this onerous workload and
that the day to day management of the Hibernian Supporters Club is divested to a club
steward appointed by the Trustees.
In order that this may be achieved the Trustees are directed to consult with branches as to
how governance and accountability of such a change may be delivered and to present an
amended constitution and rule book to members by the end of this calendar year. This will
allow branches to submit any suggested amendments to the proposal prior to the 2016 AGM
and ensure that all arrangements are in place for implementation following that AGM.


Not sure what changes the branch were proposing so can't really begin to understand what was behind Reilly's outlandish behaviour. The man is portrayed as a buffoon - and rightly so based on a lot of what I've read or heard from him. However, in the interests of balance, I'd hope that the branch's proposals did not mirror some of the fantasy that's trotted out by Glorious St Pat on this board. But being fair, a few members of the branch have stated that that person's views aren't representative of those of the branch. Some of his/her musings would be enough to ruffle the feathers of any normally calm individual.

Please see above :aok: I hope, therefore, that your query re a particular poster has been answered...:wink:

[tamig]

Please see above :aok: I hope, therefore, that your query re a particular poster has been answered...:wink:

Ah thanks for that FS.

[tigerted]

Apparently, another stoke will be pulled at the AGM which of course will be challenged vigorously. The St. Pat's Branch Committee met last night and went through the new Rule book proposed by the Trustees (Chair, Vice Chair, Treasurer, General Secretary, Asst. General Secretary). A new rule which would make Sepp Blatter and Kim Jong-Un blush, has been added that was not in the old rules........


24. On the death, resignation, retirement or removal from office of a trustee or in the event of a Trustee ceasing to be a member of the Association, the Executive Council shall take steps to co-opt a member of the Association in their place as soon as possible until a new Trustee is elected at the Annual General Meeting.

25. Any member nominated as Trustee must have served a minimum of one year as a member of the Executive Council, unless co-opted by the existing Trustees.


In essence it means when reelection of Chair etc comes around next year, of the 1500 members only the present Trustees and 7 Executive Council members (Green Jaikets) qualify for nomination to stand.

Democracy in action my RSS. :flag::hnet:

[linlithgowhibbie]

Apparently, another stoke will be pulled at the AGM which of course will be challenged vigorously. The St. Pat's Branch Committee met last night and went through the new Rule book proposed by the Trustees (Chair, Vice Chair, Treasurer, General Secretary, Asst. General Secretary). A new rule which would make Sepp Blatter and Kim Jong-Un blush, has been added that was not in the old rules........


24. On the death, resignation, retirement or removal from office of a trustee or in the event of a Trustee ceasing to be a member of the Association, the Executive Council shall take steps to co-opt a member of the Association in their place as soon as possible until a new Trustee is elected at the Annual General Meeting.

25. Any member nominated as Trustee must have served a minimum of one year as a member of the Executive Council, unless co-opted by the existing Trustees.


In essence it means when reelection of Chair etc comes around next year, of the 1500 members only the present Trustees and 7 Executive Council members (Green Jaikets) qualify for nomination to stand.

Democracy in action my RSS. :flag::hnet:



Surely only from the time that the present holder of office either dies, resigns, retires or is removed from the office of trustee, ect till the next AGM.
Am I being niave here? This is normal practice and you can then vote him/her out at the next AGM if you don't like him/her.

BG

[Beefster]

Apparently, another stoke will be pulled at the AGM which of course will be challenged vigorously. The St. Pat's Branch Committee met last night and went through the new Rule book proposed by the Trustees (Chair, Vice Chair, Treasurer, General Secretary, Asst. General Secretary). A new rule which would make Sepp Blatter and Kim Jong-Un blush, has been added that was not in the old rules........


24. On the death, resignation, retirement or removal from office of a trustee or in the event of a Trustee ceasing to be a member of the Association, the Executive Council shall take steps to co-opt a member of the Association in their place as soon as possible until a new Trustee is elected at the Annual General Meeting.

25. Any member nominated as Trustee must have served a minimum of one year as a member of the Executive Council, unless co-opted by the existing Trustees.


In essence it means when reelection of Chair etc comes around next year, of the 1500 members only the present Trustees and 7 Executive Council members (Green Jaikets) qualify for nomination to stand.

Democracy in action my RSS. :flag::hnet:

Can 1500 members stand to be a Trustee currently without being on the Executive Council? If not, all they are doing is making Executive Council members serve a year before being allowed to be a Trustee.

[Golden Bear]

Storm in a tea cup springs to mind.

[Golden Bear]

Surely only from the time that the present holder of office either dies, resigns, retires or is removed from the office of trustee, ect till the next AGM.
Am I being niave here? This is normal practice and you can then vote him/her out at the next AGM if you don't like him/her.

BG

Yip. It's standard practice in a lot of organisations/Clubs.

[FranckSuzy]

I *think* the issue is that it would now mean (if the new rule is passed :wink:) that anyone who wishes to stand for Chairman next year, when Mr Riley's time is up, cannot just put themselves forward if they haven't already been on the 'Executive Council'. So, if St. Pat's have read it correctly, it means that only the below can stand against him.


Vice Chair, Treasurer, General Secretary, Asst. General Secretary

[Beefster]

I *think* the issue is that it would now mean (if the new rule is passed :wink:) that anyone who wishes to stand for Chairman next year, when Mr Riley's time is up, cannot just put themselves forward if they haven't already been on the 'Executive Council'. So, if St. Pat's have read it correctly, it means that only the below can stand against him.

Why would someone want to suddenly become Chairman of the HSA without having contributed to the HSA as an Executive Council member first? You'd potentially have someone coming in a Chairman without a clue about the workings and intricacies of the HSA.

As an outsider, I'll be honest - this all sounds like a bit of power politics on both sides.

[DaveF]

Why would someone want to suddenly become Chairman of the HSA without having contributed to the HSA as an Executive Council member first? You'd potentially have someone coming in a Chairman without a clue about the workings and intricacies of the HSA.

As an outsider, I'll be honest - this all sounds like a bit of power politics on both sides.

Spot on Beefster. While MR might well be a bit of an idiot, the St Pats committee now seem to be every bit as petty.

[FranckSuzy]

Why would someone want to suddenly become Chairman of the HSA without having contributed to the HSA as an Executive Council member first? You'd potentially have someone coming in a Chairman without a clue about the workings and intricacies of the HSA.

As an outsider, I'll be honest - this all sounds like a bit of power politics on both sides.

I have no idea but the option was/is there and the Chairman/Committees of individual branches would know the workings of the HSA. Last time round, there was a challenger for the position of Chair who wasn't, IIRC, already a Trustee.

The 'issue' is that it appears as though the new rule has been added with no prior consultation with branches, as there should be, before the AGM :aok:

[FranckSuzy]

Spot on Beefster. While MR might well be a bit of an idiot, the St Pats committee now seem to be every bit as petty.

It's not just St. Pat's that find this new rule questionable :wink:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why would someone want to suddenly become Chairman of the HSA without having contributed to the HSA as an Executive Council member first? You'd potentially have someone coming in a Chairman without a clue about the workings and intricacies of the HSA.

As an outsider, I'll be honest - this all sounds like a bit of power politics on both sides.

:agree:

[DaveF]

It's not just St. Pat's that find this new rule questionable :wink:

Maybe we should change the thread title then?

[oconnors_strip]

Maybe we should change the thread title then?

Go for it, I was just passing on what I had read

[nonshinyfinish]

More importantly, has anyone coined the inevitable "something-gate" term for this modern tale of scandal and intrigue? Hibs-Clubgate? St-Patsgate? Or simply Cowgate?

[Stantons Angel]

I have no idea but the option was/is there and the Chairman/Committees of individual branches would know the workings of the HSA. Last time round, there was a challenger for the position of Chair who wasn't, IIRC, already a Trustee.

The 'issue' is that it appears as though the new rule has been added with no prior consultation with branches, as there should be, before the AGM :aok:


I cant believe that there would be no consultation with the branches who make up the HSA to change a rule like this before an AGM? if there hasnt then the nomination should be withdrawn from the agenda of the meeting. its wrong to vote on something that the members have not had a chance to debate at their branch meetings and their thoughts passed on regarding this!

All this is really such a sham and brings into disrepute a club and association held in pride by many of its members. Its so embarrassing to find so much ill feeling being aired on here and in the media.

The AGM is tomorrow and if there is, a vote of no confidence proposed, then i hope to gawd that a fair and democratic vote and the count takes place and we get a fresh chance to move forward together for everyone and not just individuals.

[FranckSuzy]

I cant believe that there would be no consultation with the branches who make up the HSA to change a rule like this before an AGM? if there hasnt then the nomination should be withdrawn from the agenda of the meeting. its wrong to vote on something that the members have not had a chance to debate at their branch meetings and their thoughts passed on regarding this!

All this is really such a sham and brings into disrepute a club and association held in pride by many of its members. Its so embarrassing to find so much ill feeling being aired on here and in the media.

The AGM is tomorrow and if there is, a vote of no confidence proposed, then i hope to gawd that a fair and democratic vote and the count takes place and we get a fresh chance to move forward together for everyone and not just individuals.

As confirmed by various, separate, branch members today, no such consultation has taken place :aok: Also, no agenda for the AGM has been circulated so no-one is aware of a 'vote of no confidence' being raised as officially, there has to be a certain notice period given...

[Bostonhibby]

You get what you vote for, or in this case what the "green jaickets" are trying to restrict the choice to.

[Stantons Angel]

As confirmed by various, separate, branch members today, no such consultation has taken place :aok: Also, no agenda for the AGM has been circulated so no-one is aware of a 'vote of no confidence' being raised as officially, there has to be a certain notice period given...

thanks for the confirmation on those two points, it doesnt really surprise me either?

[lucky]

Today's meeting ended with everyone agreeing to work together to modernise the HSA. A special mention to James Murray and Mike Reilly for their handling of the meeting. Mike announced he is going resign in the coming months after being verbally abused in front of his youngest daughter. He also stated on several occasions that he wants all branches under the HSA banner and has no axe to grind against any branch. He also stated he that he will no longer give interviews to newspapers as some badly misquoted him.

I think some on here have to give the HSA committee more respect as they are volunteers who clearly have a passion for all things Hibernian

[Betty Boop]

Today's meeting ended with everyone agreeing to work together to modernise the HSA. A special mention to James Murray and Mike Reilly for their handling of the meeting. Mike announced he is going resign in the coming months after being verbally abused in front of his youngest daughter. He also stated on several occasions that he wants all branches under the HSA banner and has no axe to grind against any branch. The HSA have donated £15k to HSL. He also stated he that he will no longer give interviews to newspapers as some badly misquoted him.

I think some on here have to give the HSA committee more respect as they are volunteers who clearly have a passion for all things Hibernian


Absolutely. The abuse dished out on here to Mike Reilly in particular is out of order IMO.

[matty_f]

[/B]

Absolutely. The abuse dished out on here to Mike Reilly in particular is out of order IMO.

Inclined to agree with that.

[Chuck Rhoades]

People have short memories. AGM was very standard, diplomatic and democratic. IMO MR tried to play the victim and wanted folk to feel sorry for him. He's made his bed etc....

[lucky]

People have short memories. AGM was very standard, diplomatic and democratic. IMO MR tried to play the victim and wanted folk to feel sorry for him. He's made his bed etc....

Sorry mate but that post is wrong on so many levels. But I respect your opinion but you are wrong

[Billie Jo]

[QUOTE=Betty Boop;4340514][/B]

Absolutely. The abuse dished out on here to Mike Reilly in particular is out of order IMO.[/QUOTE ]
In your opinion, not mine having had a so called meeting with him, shocking attitude from one in such a strong position.

[Forza Fred]

[QUOTE=Betty Boop;4340514][/B]

Absolutely. The abuse dished out on here to Mike Reilly in particular is out of order IMO.[/QUOTE ]
In your opinion, not mine having had a so called meeting with him, shocking attitude from one in such a strong position.

I guess it's a case of 'take them how you find them'

I never knew Mike Riley until I came over for the last cup final, and I needed him to sort out a few things for me.

In all my dealings I have nothing but good things to say about him.

As for 'speaking on behalf of the support'...well , I think it is natural that media will seek a supporters organisation' selected head honcho's view on certain things as they arise.

Whether everybody agrees with what is said in response, is of course another thing, but having worked in the media I am also aware how seemingly innocent comments can be portrayed to create 'issues '

Having provided that testimonial, Every time I return to the Hibsclub, I feel, much as I love going there, that I am stepping back in time, and IMHO it could certainly do with a strategic review,

I echo the views that the Board..ie the directors should concentrate on policy matters and leave the day to day management to a Steward...In fact I recommend that they hop on a plane and have a look at the NS W licensed club set up.

In closing, let's concentrate on the issues instead of abusing individuals..ie play the ball, not the man.

[FranckSuzy]

Today's meeting ended with everyone agreeing to work together to modernise the HSA. A special mention to James Murray and Mike Reilly for their handling of the meeting. Mike announced he is going resign in the coming months after being verbally abused in front of his youngest daughter. He also stated on several occasions that he wants all branches under the HSA banner and has no axe to grind against any branch. He also stated he that he will no longer give interviews to newspapers as some badly misquoted him.

I think some on here have to give the HSA committee more respect as they are volunteers who clearly have a passion for all things Hibernian

I don't think any decent individual would condone the behaviour MR described HOWEVER, he has to take some responsibility for his actions. He DID threaten to expel St. Pat's, both this year and last, and had to meet with Big G and Dougie McL to apologise for his behaviour.

Anyway, onwards and upwards and here's hoping a strong HSA can build some bridges with the football club, which is what it's all about.

[silverhibee]

A happy ending. Nice.

[Baldy]

People have short memories. AGM was very standard, diplomatic and democratic. IMO MR tried to play the victim and wanted folk to feel sorry for him. He's made his bed etc....

I actually agree with that ..

I agree that no one should be abused in front of a child, but I felt Mike tried to get everyone to feel sorry for him ..

I thought it was wrong of him to first of all ask for votes for the turning down of a motion rather than asking for the vote for a motion first .. he was negative towards everything that St Pats tried to put forward.

I also think if he has decided to quit, he should have done it at the AGM and we could of voted someone into his position on a 1 year interim basis .. what I feel he has done is say, I want people to feel sorry for me and beg me to stay

[Brizo]

While not a St Pats member im very pleased to hear peace and a positive way forward have ben arrived at.

Did MR give any explanation at yesterdays AGM of the reasons why he had tried to expel St Pats, why he had arranged a meeting with certain branches to discuss expulsion and why he had now changed his mind ? We will never know but I wonder how much St Pats social media "campaign" and the general anti MR feeling from across the message boards played towards his changing his mind.

[Baldy]

While not a St Pats member im very pleased to hear peace and a positive way forward have ben arrived at.

Did MR give any explanation at yesterdays AGM of the reasons why he had tried to expel St Pats, why he had arranged a meeting with certain branches to discuss expulsion and why he had now changed his mind ? We will never know but I wonder how much St Pats social media "campaign" and the general anti MR feeling from across the message boards played towards his changing his mind.

I may have misheard but he said he never wanted to expel St Pats or any branch, he just wantshave more branches and members

[Brizo]

I may have misheard but he said he never wanted to expel St Pats or any branch, he just wantshave more branches and members

If that's what he said at your meeting yesterday fair enough. I thought from reading on here and across the road that at one stage he very much wanted to expel that branch. If what he said at your meeting is consistent with how he behaved prior to the meeting then that's what id expect of an HSA office holder. If not, that would be extremely disappointing from someone in that position.

[FranckSuzy]

I may have misheard but he said he never wanted to expel St Pats or any branch, he just wantshave more branches and members


If that's what he said at your meeting yesterday fair enough. I thought from reading on here and across the road that at one stage he very much wanted to expel that branch. If what he said at your meeting is consistent with how he behaved prior to the meeting then that's what id expect of an HSA office holder. If not, that would be extremely disappointing from someone in that position.

Yesterday's AGM hopefully heralds the start of a new dawn down Sunnyside way but there was a threat of expulsion and no, it wasn't mentioned yesterday during the meeting. MR did indeed emphasise his wish for more members and branches though so hopefully this will be the end of the matter :aok:

[tigerted]

Hacked from a St. Pat's members phone. I'm off for now the Met are on to me.........


Dear members and friends of St. Pat's,



Before I give a summary, as I saw it, could I thank you the members of St. Pat's for the support shown in the Branch's efforts to stop and reverse the unjustifiable threats which we have had to endure over the past period. That was a major miscalculation on the behalf of others in my opinion. Secondly the attendance by our members was magnificent and that combined with our fighting campaigning spirit which we are known for within the Hibernian Family, has seen this off, never to raise it's head again, but also has ushered in an opportunity to start the process of building a strong, democratic Hibernian Supporters Association with solid links with Hibernian Football Club. Last but certainly not least a major element in that success was the support shown by non Branch members from near and far, on Fans websites and personal e-mails of support from ordinary Hibs fans with a keen sense that a liberty was being attempted and that relationship between the HSA an Hibernian FC left a lot to be desired.


1) Before reports were given we asked why last years Branch resolution regarding Rule change of the Disciplinary Procedure had not been circulated to Branches for discussion as requested. The General Secretary apologised for his misreading of the motion. (As it happens we have seen the proposed changes and they are fair and acceptable.)


2) The Chairman's, General Secretary's,Treasurer's and Registrar's reports were given to which St. Pat's members asked pertinent questions and made valid points of each. The St. Pat's Secretary personally thanked George Weir the Registrar for the help given by him and appreciated the huge task that he is involved in.


3) Any other business was primarily dealing with the 4 motions put forward by our Branch. However before this took place it was announced that the General Secretary had been asked to come forward with proposals to bring things together. His said that after taking legal advice regarding the present Rule book, that they were found to be outmoded and not fit for purpose. The proposals were that a Working Party be set up with the task of presenting the Association members with a new Rule book with a Constitution and Rules that are fit for purpose. He suggested the following Working Group composition.......

*Chairperson - Gordon McKinley (Secretary St. Patrick's Branch)
*For the Trustees - Colin Rich
*Representatives from the Branches

After a brief discussion with St. Pat's Committee members and with a few assurances given we agreed.

4) Branch members spoke in favour of the proposals, welcoming them, however felt that there was a mandate from the Branch membership to still discuss our motions, which at the time were passed unanimously by them. This lead to a member from another Branch saying that in his opinion there were two solutions for these resolutions and they were straight forward: St. Pat's withdraw them, in light of the General Secretary's remarks, however that this was up to St. Pat's or alternatively he would move that the 4 motions be rejected. We would not withdraw them and on a vote to reject motions 1, 3 and 4, his motion was overwhelmingly defeated, by members from all Branches.


5) Motion 2 regarding Out of Town Membership was taken separately as, after much debate, it was decided that it had financial implications. The motion was debated with good arguments from both sides. Before a vote was taken, St. Pat's in the spirit of conciliation, asked that it be referred to the Working Party, to be discussed along with the other three and a solution which would be acceptable to Association members prepared.


6) It was proposed that Alan Wilson and Frank Dougan were made Honorary Presidents of the HSA. This was agreed unanimously.


7) Mike Riley, Chairperson of the Hibernian Supporters Association, indicated that he would be resigning and that it would be sooner rather than later.


There was agreement in discussion with members of all Branches following the meeting that there were grounds for optimism for a united, forward thinking HSA working closely with Hibernian.

[Scouse Hibee]

It seems strange to me that a Chairman would announce to an AGM that he would be resigning sooner rather than later, surely he should have just resigned there and then. :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

[QUOTE=Billie Jo;4340601]

I guess it's a case of 'take them how you find them'

I never knew Mike Riley until I came over for the last cup final, and I needed him to sort out a few things for me.

In all my dealings I have nothing but good things to say about him.

As for 'speaking on behalf of the support'...well , I think it is natural that media will seek a supporters organisation' selected head honcho's view on certain things as they arise.

Whether everybody agrees with what is said in response, is of course another thing, but having worked in the media I am also aware how seemingly innocent comments can be portrayed to create 'issues '

Having provided that testimonial, Every time I return to the Hibsclub, I feel, much as I love going there, that I am stepping back in time, and IMHO it could certainly do with a strategic review,

I echo the views that the Board..ie the directors should concentrate on policy matters and leave the day to day management to a Steward...In fact I recommend that they hop on a plane and have a look at the NS W licensed club set up.

In closing, let's concentrate on the issues instead of abusing individuals..ie play the ball, not the man.

A couple of thousand pokie machine and the place will be sorted. :-)

[matty_f]

I'm just glad there's no danger of anyone taking themselves too seriously in all this. :agree:

[Pretty Boy]

I'm just glad there's no danger of anyone taking themselves too seriously in all this. :agree:

:tee hee:

[Forza Fred]

[QUOTE=Forza Fred;4340746]

A couple of thousand pokie machine and the place will be sorted. :-)

Indeed.

But there are many other marketing initiates that could be viewed and while licensing laws, culture etc may be different, some could be implemented.

Every time I leave Edinburgh after a visit, I half expect to hear news before my next visit that the HibsClub has closed.

It must have been a struggle to keep it afloat so long, and credit to those who have, but I'm sure it could be a much more attractive proposition if fresh ideas were put on the table.

Ahem, While I do my best to financially support the club on my returns, there is clearly a need to entice more people into it on a regular basis.

The Nsw Club industry is one of the state,s biggest employers, and not every club is a poker machine palace.

For instance my local golf club is probably akin to the HibsClub in size, and has prospered through reaching out to the local community.

It is a welcoming place..which the Hibs Club could be once you managed to negotiate the security system to gain entry:agree:

[DaveF]

Hacked from a St. Pat's members phone. I'm off for now the Met are on to me.........


Dear members and friends of St. Pat's,



Before I give a summary, as I saw it, could I thank you the members of St. Pat's for the support shown in the Branch's efforts to stop and reverse the unjustifiable threats which we have had to endure over the past period. That was a major miscalculation on the behalf of others in my opinion. Secondly the attendance by our members was magnificent and that combined with our fighting campaigning spirit which we are known for within the Hibernian Family, has seen this off, never to raise it's head again, but also has ushered in an opportunity to start the process of building a strong, democratic Hibernian Supporters Association with solid links with Hibernian Football Club. Last but certainly not least a major element in that success was the support shown by non Branch members from near and far, on Fans websites and personal e-mails of support from ordinary Hibs fans with a keen sense that a liberty was being attempted and that relationship between the HSA an Hibernian FC left a lot to be desired.


1) Before reports were given we asked why last years Branch resolution regarding Rule change of the Disciplinary Procedure had not been circulated to Branches for discussion as requested. The General Secretary apologised for his misreading of the motion. (As it happens we have seen the proposed changes and they are fair and acceptable.)


2) The Chairman's, General Secretary's,Treasurer's and Registrar's reports were given to which St. Pat's members asked pertinent questions and made valid points of each. The St. Pat's Secretary personally thanked George Weir the Registrar for the help given by him and appreciated the huge task that he is involved in.


3) Any other business was primarily dealing with the 4 motions put forward by our Branch. However before this took place it was announced that the General Secretary had been asked to come forward with proposals to bring things together. His said that after taking legal advice regarding the present Rule book, that they were found to be outmoded and not fit for purpose. The proposals were that a Working Party be set up with the task of presenting the Association members with a new Rule book with a Constitution and Rules that are fit for purpose. He suggested the following Working Group composition.......

*Chairperson - Gordon McKinley (Secretary St. Patrick's Branch)
*For the Trustees - Colin Rich
*Representatives from the Branches

After a brief discussion with St. Pat's Committee members and with a few assurances given we agreed.

4) Branch members spoke in favour of the proposals, welcoming them, however felt that there was a mandate from the Branch membership to still discuss our motions, which at the time were passed unanimously by them. This lead to a member from another Branch saying that in his opinion there were two solutions for these resolutions and they were straight forward: St. Pat's withdraw them, in light of the General Secretary's remarks, however that this was up to St. Pat's or alternatively he would move that the 4 motions be rejected. We would not withdraw them and on a vote to reject motions 1, 3 and 4, his motion was overwhelmingly defeated, by members from all Branches.


5) Motion 2 regarding Out of Town Membership was taken separately as, after much debate, it was decided that it had financial implications. The motion was debated with good arguments from both sides. Before a vote was taken, St. Pat's in the spirit of conciliation, asked that it be referred to the Working Party, to be discussed along with the other three and a solution which would be acceptable to Association members prepared.


6) It was proposed that Alan Wilson and Frank Dougan were made Honorary Presidents of the HSA. This was agreed unanimously.


7) Mike Riley, Chairperson of the Hibernian Supporters Association, indicated that he would be resigning and that it would be sooner rather than later.


There was agreement in discussion with members of all Branches following the meeting that there were grounds for optimism for a united, forward thinking HSA working closely with Hibernian.

A working party - Rejoice, the HSA has been saved.

[invisible man]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;4341135]

Indeed.

But there are many other marketing initiates that could be viewed and while licensing laws, culture etc may be different, some could be implemented.

Every time I leave Edinburgh after a visit, I half expect to hear news before my next visit that the HibsClub has closed.

It must have been a struggle to keep it afloat so long, and credit to those who have, but I'm sure it could be a much more attractive proposition if fresh ideas were put on the table.

Ahem, While I do my best to financially support the club on my returns, there is clearly a need to entice more people into it on a regular basis.

The Nsw Club industry is one of the state,s biggest employers, and not every club is a poker machine palace.

For instance my local golf club is probably akin to the HibsClub in size, and has prospered through reaching out to the local community.

It is a welcoming place..which the Hibs Club could be once you managed to negotiate the security system to gain entry:agree:

I don't know why you think The Hibs Club would close Fred?

We make a profit year on year, have a turnover including vat of £500k and currently have around £80k sitting in a savings account.

Could we do better? yes we could and hopefully we can get some new ideas on the table to entice more people to use the club, but there's no danger of the Hibs Club closing anytime soon.

[Beefster]

I'm just glad there's no danger of anyone taking themselves too seriously in all this. :agree:

Point of order, Mr Admin. I'm not sure everyone agrees with this, brother. Maybe a small subset of us should discuss this further and report back to the general population this time next year? As chairman of the 'Acceptable Face of Hibernian Supporters in Beefster's House', I've been nominated for election to the glorious position of Treasurer and Lord Overbaron of the discussion group. Seconded?

[matty_f]

Point of order, Mr Admin. I'm not sure everyone agrees with this, brother. Maybe a small subset of us should discuss this further and report back to the general population this time next year? As chairman of the 'Acceptable Face of Hibernian Supporters in Beefster's House', I've been nominated for election to the glorious position of Treasurer and Lord Overbaron of the discussion group. Seconded?

:greengrin aye, seconded!

[Danderhall Hibs]

:greengrin aye, seconded!

Hold it!

Should there not be a vote or even better a working group set up to discuss this first?

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[BT58]

Can someone please tell me the fees for out of townees / local fans ??
I was a member of the picnic branch many moons ago. Lapsed after moving to outer Mussy.
Cheers

[Forza Fred]

[QUOTE=Forza Fred;4341163]

I don't know why you think The Hibs Club would close Fred?

We make a profit year on year, have a turnover including vat of £500k and currently have around £80k sitting in a savings account.

Could we do better? yes we could and hopefully we can get some new ideas on the table to entice more people to use the club, but there's no danger of the Hibs Club closing anytime soon.

Glad to hear that Colin.

I guess my views were formed because of the minuscule number of people I always seemed to encounter when I visited during weeknights when over on holiday.

Just seems empty most nights i used to pop in.

I'll be over in August for a couple of weeks and will try my very best to increase the profits:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Brightside]

So from reading that it would appear St Pats are taking over the HSA then... Brilliant. :rolleyes:

[StevieC]

It seems strange to me that a Chairman would announce to an AGM that he would be resigning sooner rather than later, surely he should have just resigned there and then. :confused:

Without knowing all the facts it's impossible to say, but there could be legitimate reasons.

If someone feels passionatley about something, and they would need to if they were giving up lots of their own spare time, then they may feel that they want to ensure that a "suitable" replacement is ready to step in and provide the necessary time and ehtusiasm to move things forward.

I wouldn't read too much into the "sooner rather than later" statement.

[Geo_1875]

Without knowing all the facts it's impossible to say, but there could be legitimate reasons.

If someone feels passionatley about something, and they would need to if they were giving up lots of their own spare time, then they may feel that they want to ensure that a "suitable" replacement is ready to step in and provide the necessary time and ehtusiasm to move things forward.

I wouldn't read too much into the "sooner rather than later" statement.

He should surely give the club a full years notice giving them time to get nominations in place. That would avoid the expense of organising an EGM should his "sooner rather than later" be less than a year.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

So from reading that it would appear St Pats are taking over the HSA then... Brilliant. :rolleyes:

Time to head out for another bag of popcorn. :-)

[ronaldo7]

So from reading that it would appear St Pats are taking over the HSA then... Brilliant. :rolleyes:

According to Jim Murphy, the largest branch gets to run the show.:rolleyes:

[Canongatehibs]

People have short memories. AGM was very standard, diplomatic and democratic. IMO MR tried to play the victim and wanted folk to feel sorry for him. He's made his bed etc....

100% correct :agree:

Some on here don't seem to know what he's been up to. If they were, they'd be shocked :agree:

[bingo70]

100% correct :agree:

Some on here don't seem to know what he's been up to. If they were, they'd be shocked :agree:

Going by a post on this thread with a couple of financial details he seems to be running a successful club in a time when a lot of clubs are struggling, I'd let him get on with it if those figures were true.

[DaveF]

100% correct :agree:

Some on here don't seem to know what he's been up to. If they were, they'd be shocked :agree:

Ooooh, a cliffhanger post. The drama continues......:rolleyes:

[Beefster]

Some on here don't seem to know what he's been up to. If they were, they'd be shocked :agree:

If it doesn't involve kittens, leather, rubber, hamsters, cucumbers, torches, vaseline, dwarves and a horse, I'm pretty sure that I'll have seen worse.

[lucky]

100% correct :agree:

Some on here don't seem to know what he's been up to. If they were, they'd be shocked :agree:

Can you back up your innuendo with facts? Under the present council the club has prospered even the though the football club have being doing crap the HSA has done well. I did not notice any St Pats branch members volunteer to join the council. It was also sad that St Pats members all shot off straight after the meeting , except a handful, seem to have lots to say on the club but not using it.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Can you back up your innuendo with facts? Under the present council the club has prospered even the though the football club have being doing crap the HSA has done well. I did not notice any St Pats branch members volunteer to join the council. It was also sad that St Pats members all shot off straight after the meeting , except a handful, seem to have lots to say on the club but not using it.

To be fair, it was Easter Sunday, after all....People do have lives outside of the HSA.................

[Baldy Foghorn]

100% correct :agree:

Some on here don't seem to know what he's been up to. If they were, they'd be shocked :agree:

Why was nothing mentioned at the AGM then? Surely that was the ideal forum for such discussion?

[Purple & Green]

So from reading that it would appear St Pats are taking over the HSA then... Brilliant. :rolleyes:

The war is over, the rebels have won.


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[Baldy Foghorn]

The war is over, the rebels have won.


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:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

[FranckSuzy]

Can you back up your innuendo with facts? Under the present council the club has prospered even the though the football club have being doing crap the HSA has done well. I did not notice any St Pats branch members volunteer to join the council. It was also sad that St Pats members all shot off straight after the meeting , except a handful, seem to have lots to say on the club but not using it.

I was working so had to shoot off straight after it:aok:

[Purple & Green]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

It was a joke...


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[Just Alf]

If it doesn't involve kittens, leather, rubber, hamsters, cucumbers, torches, vaseline, dwarves and a horse, I'm pretty sure that I'll have seen worse.

:shocked:




Some peeps have ALL the luck! :D

[Baldy Foghorn]

It was a joke...


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Cool, let me know when you are next on, at the Stand:aok: