In What Year Did Hibs Start Using The "Ball and Crown" Badge??

[HibeeHutch]

Just wondering if anyone knew when we started using the old "ball and crown" Hibs badge?

[EdinMike]

81 or 82 !? I'm guessing really as I wasn't even born :greengrin

[heretoday]

That is a good question. I have a green shirt in the closet with the badge proudly displayed. It's been there for many years.

I don't remember where it came from although I suspect it was bought in a charity shop by my wife who was desperate to connect with my increasing obsession with Hibs back in the 80s and subsequent alienation from normal life.

[HibeeHutch]

I think the earliest I have seen it featured on scarves etc was in pictures dating to the early to mid 70s but curious if it was created then or went back further - to the 60s, for example?

[Keith_M]

The oldest shirt I've seen it on is from 78-79, the Bukta effort.

However, according to my Dad, it's been around in some form since at least the 50s.





EDIT: Here's the very top, one year later, worn by a rather famous footballer ;-)



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[Peevemor]

I think the earliest I have seen it featured on scarves etc was in pictures dating to the early to mid 70s but curious if it was created then or went back further - to the 60s, for example?

Was it not a wee bit later, ie. 77/78?

[Niffy]

I've got a Centenerary scarf I was given Christmas 75 and its on it.

[worcesterhibby]

It was definitely around in 1974 as it is featured inside the Hibs Juventus programme from October 23rd 1974

[Billy McKirdy]

I'm sure I heard once that we had to stop using it because the crown was not permitted any more?

[Hibbyradge]

I'm sure I heard once that we had to stop using it because the crown was not permitted any more?

That's correct.

Permission from the royal family to use the crown is required and we didn't have it.

[Frank Moon]

The former goalie and then Director Tommy Younger designed it but we needed permission from Lord Lyon to have the crown on it so it had to be withdrawn. Mid seventies is when I remember it.

[superfurryhibby]

Before the Crown badge we had one with a castle on it. Might have been unofficial? I remember I had it as a large sticker on my headboard of my bed, late 60's. The crown was definitely later, mid 70's seems right.

[worcesterhibby]

It doesn't seem to appear in any programmes I have from 1973..so since it does appear in 1974..I reckon that is the year !!

[Cabbage East]

More importantly why did we have a crown on our badge?

[AndyM_1875]

More importantly why did we have a crown on our badge?

Because it was copied from Real Madrid's badge.
Am sure it dates to 1972. Sure there are images of Turnbull's League Cup winners with it on their green blazers.

[SkintHibby]

More importantly why did we have a crown on our badge?

Kings of football!

[StevieT]

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This is a newspaper cutting from the Drybrough Cup Final in 1972 and shows this badge

[southsider]

More importantly why did we have a crown on our badge?
Nicked from Real (Royal) Madrid.

[Bill Milne]

Because it was copied from Real Madrid's badge.
Am sure it dates to 1972. Sure there are images of Turnbull's League Cup winners with it on their green blazers.

IIRC it was introduced by Tom Hart in 1971.

[Moulin Yarns]

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This is a newspaper cutting from the Drybrough Cup Final in 1972 and shows this badge

The strip down the left shows that some things haven't changed

[erin go bragh]

That's correct.

Permission from the royal family to use the crown is required and we didn't have it.

I thought the Duke of Buccleuch wanted a million pounds of Hibs as he claimed it was his coat of arms / crest .
We should never in a million years ,swapped the harp for a crown .

Ggtth

[Keith_M]

I thought the Duke of Buccleuch wanted a million pounds of Hibs as he claimed it was his coat of arms / crest .
We should never in a million years ,swapped the harp for a crown .

Ggtth


The Duke of Buccleuch has a football on his coat of arms?

[Niffy]

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This is a newspaper cutting from the Drybrough Cup Final in 1972 and shows this badge

It was my dad's job to look after the Drybrough Cup before the final, we used to run around the garden with it when we stayed in Sydney Terrace.

[Kato]

The strip down the left shows that some things haven't changed

That's when we horsed them 3-0 at ER a few weeks after they had lifted the Cup Winners Cup in Barcelona. Not only did we horse them we hammered them, ripping the pash as we did so. They tried, as was the old Rangers tradition, to kick us off the park but couldn't really get near us to do so. I remember a series of passing moves between Stanton, Edwards and Cropley leaving them particularly angry.

Having been royally (pun intended) paraded around ER as complete and utter footballing clowns their fans thought it was their right to smash people's faces in, throw bottles and trash the trains taking them back to their sh*tholey homes. In excess of 200 arrests that night iirc, photos of wrecked train carriages in all the press. Around this time their fashion for mob violence (singly they are mostly cowards), long straggly hair/mutton chops and baggy denim strides to hide their chibs saw them christened "The Huns", as they resembled Attila's hoardes as depicted in epic movies - nothing to do with the religion they pretend to follow or actual Protestants, some of whom support other teams including Hibs and Celtic. "Huns" came about because of their actions and the straggly unkempt look they adopted.

I can't quite remember what the SFA did to punish them or to try and facillitate a change in the culture which brings out such bigoted violence but given their track record it was probably nowt, in fact the SFA probably think their tradition of mass brawling and vandalism when things go badly on the football park is ok.

Sore losers but when they lose and also get their knitting ripped by a better team no wonder the polis are busy.

[heretoday]

The oldest shirt I've seen it on is from 78-79, the Bukta effort.

However, according to my Dad, it's been around in some form since at least the 50s.





EDIT: Here's the very top, one year later, worn by a rather famous footballer ;-)



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Hibs flirted with relegation in those days despite Best and the rest of it. Tom Hart was fab but he couldn't save them from the drop.

Somehow though they retained the glamour and of corse that's why we all love them. You can't imagine George playing for the Hearts!

I used to give him money in a brown envelope every week at his flat in Palmerston Place. He "wrote" a column for a national paper while he was with Hibs.

What a charmer he was. And what a wee guy too. Tiny in his cotton socks!

[snooky]

I've got a Centenary scarf I was given Christmas 75 and its on it.

And I've got the tie somewhere.
I also have an old scarf with the crown & ball motif. I remember having it round my neck when no. 7 went in :greengrin

[GordonHFC]

My little friend has been with me for more years than I care to remember :thumbsup:

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[Leithenhibby]

Interesting take on the badge from the web!

Claims it wasn't used until 1980 :confused: On the jersey, even more confused :wink:

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Hibernian/hibernian.htm

[Turkish Green]

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[Bostonhibby]

I've got the ball and crown on a badge sewn onto a scarf that I have had since at least 1973 probably earlier.

[Bostonhibby]

And I've got the tie somewhere.
I also have an old scarf with the crown & ball motif. I remember having it round my neck when no. 7 went in :greengrin
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[LancsHibs]

Interesting take on the badge from the web!

Claims it wasn't used until 1980 :confused: On the jersey, even more confused :wink:

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Hibernian/hibernian.htm

Jerseys rearly had club crests on until the late 70's/early 80's

[HibeeHutch]

So from reading through this thread it looks like the "ball and crown" Hibs badge was introduced sometime between 1970-1972 (possibly 1971).

Does anyone know what was being used prior to that (and for how long)? I'm not talking about being used as a crest on the jersey but on anything that represented the club in those eras (programmes, scarves, pin badges). Some say it was a simple 'City of Edinburgh' Castle motif with Hibernian and 1875 displayed next to it. Does this sound right?

[sambajustice]

Does anyone have a hi res image of this badge? or a vector file or whatever its called?

cheers

[WellingtonHibby]

My little friend has been with me for more years than I care to remember :thumbsup:

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I had the same one...up until last month when my girlfriend dropped it! :grr::grr::grr::grr:

[qiut]

Have a 1973 league cup Blazer badge. Cant seem get a photo of it onto here.

[Waxy]

I hated the "egg rolling down the hill" badge that came next. Just had to say that, off the chest.

[erin go bragh]

[QUOTE=keekaboo;4327082]The Duke of Buccleuch has a football on his


It was Lord Lyon (regulator of coats of arms) reckoned we had no right to a badge displaying a crown.
Getting my Lords and Dukes mixed up .lol

Ggtth

[Keith_M]

Interesting take on the badge from the web!

Claims it wasn't used until 1980 :confused: On the jersey, even more confused :wink:

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Hibernian/hibernian.htm


Have a look at the photo I posted of George Best mate, that was 1979.


My recollection was that we started using it the season before (78/79), but only for TV matches. The other games we wore the one with 'Bukta' across the front which, ironically considering the advertising nowadays, was banned from being worn in TV games.

[hibbybrian]

1978-79 No badge on team shirts but ET has the badge on his blaser

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1980-81 on the team shirts

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[Keith_M]

1978-79 No badge on team shirts but ET has the badge on his blaser

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I'll see your team photo and raise you a photo from the Scottish Cup Final the same season, with crown badge clearly on Hibs player's jersey.


:wink:



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[worcesterhibby]

I hated the "egg rolling down the hill" badge that came next. Just had to say that, off the chest.

No you don't..because no Hibs fan could hate anything which was worn with pride by this man...

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60326000/jpg/_60326680_sauzee_sns.jpg

[Iggy Pope]

I love this thread.

[Iggy Pope]

No you don't..because no Hibs fan could hate anything which was worn with pride by this man...

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60326000/jpg/_60326680_sauzee_sns.jpg

For governance. EITHER of those men.

[Waxy]

No you don't..because no Hibs fan could hate anything which was worn with pride by this man...

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60326000/jpg/_60326680_sauzee_sns.jpg
Great pic.Ok it's my least fav badge.

[Glorious St Pat]

I still have an old pennant and mug that my grandad bought me whilst he was a steward with the club. Never liked it and hated the planet Saturn badge and campaigned long and hard with Mass Hibsteria for a return of the harp. Thankfully, the club obliged.

[worcesterhibby]

Great pic.Ok it's my least fav badge.

Yea..not the best..particularly when it was inside this horrible white shield

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2010/9/24/1285325739264/John-Hughes-left-in-his-p-006.jpg