What has the Scotsman become

[ronaldo7]

This article appeared in the Scotsman the other day, when I read it, I was surprised to read that the Union had given away their right to strike for wonga.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-signs-no-strike-deal-with-scots-prison-staff-1-3697919


Then I read this. Don't know who's telling the truth these days.

http://www.docdroid.net/sl06/prison-officers-no-strike-story-simply-wrong.docx.html

[HappyAsHellas]

Modern journalism at it's usual mediocre standard. Get a couple of dodgy quotes with no research and you have a headline.

[snooky]

This article appeared in the Scotsman the other day, when I read it, I was surprised to read that the Union had given away their right to strike for wonga.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-signs-no-strike-deal-with-scots-prison-staff-1-3697919


Then I read this. Don't know who's telling the truth these days.

http://www.docdroid.net/sl06/prison-officers-no-strike-story-simply-wrong.docx.html

The Scotsman is so anti SNP it is embarrassing. Saturday's letter page was packed with negative points of view on the SNP & Brian Wilson's column was another predictable weekly swipe at his favourite target.
The'Hootsmon'has overtaken the Sunday Post as the most awful newspaper in Scotland. I must say, that is one hellava achievement.

[Stranraer]

The Scotsman has become a Unionist propaganda paper but I like the sport.

[HiBremian]

"Our colleagues in England and Wales have no such right (to strike), due to a Labour government using previous Tory anti trade union legislation against them to remove it. The great irony in all of this is that the only prison officers in the UK with the right to strike are here in Scotland, due to the present Scottish government declining the invite from Jack Straw, Labour Home Secretary at the time, to use the same legislation against Scottish prison officers".

So it seems the truth is the exact opposite of the Hootsman's anti- SNP take. Says it all.

[snooky]

"Our colleagues in England and Wales have no such right (to strike), due to a Labour government using previous Tory anti trade union legislation against them to remove it. The great irony in all of this is that the only prison officers in the UK with the right to strike are here in Scotland, due to the present Scottish government declining the invite from Jack Straw, Labour Home Secretary at the time, to use the same legislation against Scottish prison officers".

So it seems the truth is the exact opposite of the Hootsman's anti- SNP take. Says it all.

Plain as the nose on yer face.

Liar, liar, The Snotsman's dire

[snooky]

Oh dear. 'Same old, same old' in today's Slopsman.
Brian Wilson having his weekly :yawn: dig a Salmond & Co. (C'mon, gi'e it a rest for God's sake, Brian :tumble: ).
Plus, the usual letters page heavily weighted with anti SNP rhetoric.

Oh how I wish they would cancel the cryptic crossword and thereby killing the one & only reason I purchase piece of propagandised kech.
Rant over.

[heretoday]

Although I voted No in the Ref I find The Scotsman has become beyond the pale. I have started getting The National and it is a good read. It is unashamedly pro indy and I don't mind that. It's honest and honesty is becoming a precious commodity these days. I wonder how their sales are doing.

[snooky]

Oh dear. 'Same old, same old' in today's Slopsman.
Brian Wilson having his weekly :yawn: dig a Salmond & Co. (C'mon, gi'e it a rest for God's sake, Brian :tumble: ).
Plus, the usual letters page heavily weighted with anti SNP rhetoric.

Oh how I wish they would cancel the cryptic crossword and thereby killing the one & only reason I purchase piece of propagandised kech.
Rant over.

After reading their usual drivel yesterday, maybe I should just put the above post (#7) on a permanent 'sticky'.

[ballengeich]

After reading their usual drivel yesterday, maybe I should just put the above post on a permanent 'sticky'.

This week Wilson's criticism of the SNP includes the introduction of Police Scotland, ignoring that this was supported by both Labour and Conservatives. He's abandoned any attempt at objective analysis.

[weecounty hibby]

Picked up the Scotsman in the hotel I'm in for the next couple of days. First time I've read it for ages and I can't believe how bad it is. Such a one sided view politically. I'm not sure who they actually support but I do know who they are totally against!! Unbelievably anti SNP, even the letters page is vitriolic in the messages from readers. No wonder the circulation is plummeting. Almost as bad as the Daily Record. Sad for a once decent paper

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

It'll never be as bad as The Sunday Post, a newspaper stuck in the midsts of time!

[lord bunberry]

It'll never be as bad as The Sunday Post, a newspaper stuck in the midsts of time!
I didn't realise that was still going. Do the stories still start with really big letters and get smaller as the story goes on? I might buy it this Sunday to see if it's as bad as I remember :greengrin

[snooky]

It'll never be as bad as The Sunday Post, a newspaper stuck in the midsts of time!

Jings! Help Ma Boab!


:nerd: <- Horace, btw

[Dashing Bob S]

To be fair to the Scotsman it was always lying, reactionary, unionist Tory pish, but it's only more noticeable as the paper faces a) a big cultural shift to the pro-indy left in Scotland, and b) declining sales which will lead to it being a website in 18 months.

You'd think it would be able to put the two together, but it's obviously ran by people who would rather ***** away their money clinging to extinct politics than run a profitable business. Anyway, it's gone.

[ACLeith]

To be fair to the Scotsman it was always lying, reactionary, unionist Tory pish, but it's only more noticeable as the paper faces a) a big cultural shift to the pro-indy left in Scotland, and b) declining sales which will lead to it being a website in 18 months.

You'd think it would be able to put the two together, but it's obviously ran by people who would rather ***** away their money clinging to extinct politics than run a profitable business. Anyway, it's gone.

A long time ago it was a strong supporter of the old Liberal party - for younger readers please note that party had NOTHING in common with the current Lib-Dems!! - and supported, for example, a PR voting system, a fully Federal UK. But I do agree that it changed to join the rest of the rabid, right-wing press in the gutter.

[Stax]

A long time ago it was a strong supporter of the old Liberal party - for younger readers please note that party had NOTHING in common with the current Lib-Dems!! - and supported, for example, a PR voting system, a fully Federal UK. But I do agree that it changed to join the rest of the rabid, right-wing press in the gutter.
:agree:Ex editor Andrew Neil a prime mover in said lurch and I can't believe he still earns a crust as a political pundit on the BBC.

[Beefster]

I'm not a fan of the Scotsman but do folk go out of their way to be outraged? If you don't like something, ignore it.

Personally, I would have thought that The Sun's two-facedness would be more offensive to SNP supporters than a paper with a straight-out alleged bias.

[HiBremian]

I'm not a fan of the Scotsman but do folk go out of their way to be outraged? If you don't like something, ignore it.

Personally, I would have thought that The Sun's two-facedness would be more offensive to SNP supporters than a paper with a straight-out alleged bias.

It's not a question of one or the other, Beefy. Haven't you noticed that post-indyref, media deconstruction has replaced dominoes as the leisure pastime of choice?


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[snooky]

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/arts/news/festival-chief-i-was-bullied-over-indyref-debate-1-3864699

Like a dug that won't let go of a bone.
Letters on Saturday still full of anti-SNP/Indy comments & Brian Wilson still playing the same old worn out 45rpm every week. :yawn:

[Keith_M]

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/arts/news/festival-chief-i-was-bullied-over-indyref-debate-1-3864699

Like a dug that won't let go of a bone.
Letters on Saturday still full of anti-SNP/Indy comments & Brian Wilson still playing the same old worn out 45rpm every week. :yawn:


You missed out the article claiming that the BBC protests over Indyref coverage were reminiscent of Putin's Russia.

TBF, The Daily Record is still worse, but it's doing it's best to catch up.

I quite like the Herald but I'm getting a bit p1ssed off with them having an article on Michelle Mone every bleeding day.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I quite like the Herald but I'm getting a bit p1ssed off with them having an article on Michelle Mone every bleeding day.

She usually makes a couple of fair points though! ;-)

[Keith_M]

She usually makes a couple of fair points though! ;-)


:tsk tsk:

[heretoday]

The Scotsman is still the "newspaper of record" for Edinburgh. As such we turn to it automatically for Obits, Announcements etc.

And The Herald is, for many of us, a Glasgow paper.

But, editorially, I'd say The Scotsman has gone back a bit and The Herald has improved.

They are both good newspapers though. There's always something of interest within the pages and that's the yardstick I reckon.

[Colr]

The Scotsman is still the "newspaper of record" for Edinburgh. As such we turn to it automatically for Obits, Announcements etc.

And The Herald is, for many of us, a Glasgow paper.

But, editorially, I'd say The Scotsman has gone back a bit and The Herald has improved.

They are both good newspapers though. There's always something of interest within the pages and that's the yardstick I reckon.

The Herald is a nationalist rag

[SkintHibby]

The Herald is a nationalist rag

The Scotsman is a Unionist rag.

[degenerated]

The Herald is a nationalist rag
The Herald backed the union

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[Colr]

The Herald backed the union

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Seems to have changed its stanch since, though.

[ACLeith]

Seems to have changed its stanch since, though.

IIRC The Herald was a "No, but ...." With the "but" being The Vow had to be fully implemented. The Sunday Herald came out as "Yes". So maybe any perceived change in stance is actually being consistent?

[Peevemor]

IIRC The Herald was a "No, but ...." With the "but" being The Vow had to be fully implemented. The Sunday Herald came out as "Yes". So maybe any perceived change in stance is actually being consistent?

IIRC, it was only a few days before the vote that the Herald announced it's support of the Union (but with more devolved power). Up until that point it's referendum coverage was very fair. The Scotsman on the other hand was pro-union from the outset.

I used to buy the Scotsman every day and sadly watched it go downhill over the years. It might sound petty, but what really put me off the paper was when it became a fanzine for Alexander McCall Smith about 13-14 years ago. :wtf:

[steakbake]

IIRC, it was only a few days before the vote that the Herald announced it's support of the Union (but with more devolved power). Up until that point it's referendum coverage was very fair. The Scotsman on the other hand was pro-union from the outset.

I used to buy the Scotsman every day and sadly watched it go downhill over the years. It might sound petty, but what really put me off the paper was when it became a fanzine for Alexander McCall Smith about 13-14 years ago. :wtf:

Reading it, it feels parochial. It feels like the people writing in it know the people they're writing about personally. I don't know what it is - it sometimes reads like a community newsletter, championing various boutique interests - like McCall-Smith, Andy Murray and such like.

The international news section is AP or Reuters sourced in the main - regurgitated in order to have an international section. Regardless of your view of the independence debate, it's a real indictment of the quality of Scottish journalism and possibly challenges the open-mindedness of the readership, that our main dailies lack any real international perspective both outwardly or reporting on the international view of Scottish issues inwardly - of which there are bound to be some.

The Herald is slightly better but all in all, most newspapers feel like an out of date print version of the BBC Scotland "News", which largely consists of an industrial relations/social work or court story, a quirky view of Holyrood/overblown or out of proportion story, Andy Murray, Golf/Rugby or the OF and an "and finally..." shortbread/bagpipes/cat up the tree type scenario.

Rarely have I seen any interesting genuine investigative journalism in the Scottish media.

[ACLeith]

Reading it, it feels parochial. It feels like the people writing in it know the people they're writing about personally. I don't know what it is - it sometimes reads like a community newsletter, championing various boutique interests - like McCall-Smith, Andy Murray and such like.

The international news section is AP or Reuters sourced in the main - regurgitated in order to have an international section. Regardless of your view of the independence debate, it's a real indictment of the quality of Scottish journalism and possibly challenges the open-mindedness of the readership, that our main dailies lack any real international perspective both outwardly or reporting on the international view of Scottish issues inwardly - of which there are bound to be some.

The Herald is slightly better but all in all, most newspapers feel like an out of date print version of the BBC Scotland "News", which largely consists of an industrial relations/social work or court story, a quirky view of Holyrood/overblown or out of proportion story, Andy Murray, Golf/Rugby or the OF and an "and finally..." shortbread/bagpipes/cat up the tree type scenario.

Rarely have I seen any interesting genuine investigative journalism in the Scottish media.

I enjoy reading articles by the 2 "Iains" in the Herald/Sunday Herald - McWhirter and Bell, but that is maybe because I find myself nodding in agreement with most of what they say. On the other hand, why they give column space to that arrogant twat David Torrance is beyond me.

[Jim44]

The one really refreshing thing about the Scotsman is that Stuart 'Jambo' Bathgate no longer writes for them. I miss hating him, come to think about it:greengrin

[snooky]

FFS, they're at it again after a lull of a couple of weeks.
There's that old scribbler Brian Wilson having his tiringly predictable pop at the SNP :yawn2:.
Re. the letters page, seven of the eleven are basically anti-SNP comments. (The other four have no political party references).
Jeez, I don't mind the Scottish government (i.e. the SNP) being criticized - I've done it myself on other threads - but this is just an all out vendetta.
The one-sidedness is so blatant that this newspaper's credibility as a source of general public opinion has become null & void.

"The Scotsman"? How ironic.

[steakbake]

I think that the Scotsman of course has an agenda. However, their letters page reflects their demographic. It's a middle class paper. It's also run by the Johnson Press: centre right/conservative. Their readership, I would bet my last quid, overwhelmingly voted No.

The Guardian: labour leaning. The BBC: funded by a UK government grant. The Herald/Sunday Herald: more balanced. Daily Record/Mirror: part of the Mirror Group that has supported Labour since 1945: Mail/Express: speaks for itself. Sun: Murdoch.

I always find it weird when SNP/pro Indy supporters moan too much against these. Independence is either not in their interests as a business or their ownership's political leanings is their editorial policy. Equally, I find it strange when people don't see that the media has an inherent bias.

[Hiber-nation]

The one really refreshing thing about the Scotsman is that Stuart 'Jambo' Bathgate no longer writes for them. I miss hating him, come to think about it:greengrin

He's doing rugby for the Herald. I don't know much about rugby but I do know that he is hopeless.

I have started getting the i now. The Herald just isn't worth the money, I agree with its politics but there's a lot of sloppy journalism. 40p for the I, excellent value for money for oldies like me who like to read a real newspaper, rather than the online version.

[Tyler Durden]

FFS, they're at it again after a lull of a couple of weeks.
There's that old scribbler Brian Wilson having his tiringly predictable pop at the SNP :yawn2:.
Re. the letters page, seven of the eleven are basically anti-SNP comments. (The other four have no political party references).
Jeez, I don't mind the Scottish government (i.e. the SNP) being criticized - I've done it myself on other threads - but this is just an all out vendetta.
The one-sidedness is so blatant that this newspaper's credibility as a source of general public opinion has become null & void.

"The Scotsman"? How ironic.

They actually print letters from people who have a different opinion from you? Unbelievable.

Ironic in the Alanis Morrisette sense? As in, not actually ironic

[lucky]

FFS, they're at it again after a lull of a couple of weeks.
There's that old scribbler Brian Wilson having his tiringly predictable pop at the SNP :yawn2:.
Re. the letters page, seven of the eleven are basically anti-SNP comments. (The other four have no political party references).
Jeez, I don't mind the Scottish government (i.e. the SNP) being criticized - I've done it myself on other threads - but this is just an all out vendetta.
The one-sidedness is so blatant that this newspaper's credibility as a source of general public opinion has become null & void.

"The Scotsman"? How ironic.

It will be reflecting its readerships views just like the National does on the other side of the coin. I like the Scotsman but don't agree with all its views but it's the best daily newspaper in Scotland

[schinkenotto]

FFS, they're at it again after a lull of a couple of weeks.
There's that old scribbler Brian Wilson having his tiringly predictable pop at the SNP :yawn2:.
Re. the letters page, seven of the eleven are basically anti-SNP comments. (The other four have no political party references).
Jeez, I don't mind the Scottish government (i.e. the SNP) being criticized - I've done it myself on other threads - but this is just an all out vendetta.
The one-sidedness is so blatant that this newspaper's credibility as a source of general public opinion has become null & void.

"The Scotsman"? How ironic.
If we're talking about "tiringly predictable" how about the nauseatingly unjustified smugness of Lesley Riddoch and Joyce Macmillan in the same newspaper?

[snooky]

If we're talking about "tiringly predictable" how about the nauseatingly unjustified smugness of Lesley Riddoch and Joyce Macmillan in the same newspaper?

Surely one of the main stories of the week has "English Votes For English Laws" and its major consequences for Scotland. But let's forget that sideshow. Read Brian Wilson's column in tomorrow's Scotsman as he churns out another re-hash of anti-SNP blubber. :rolleyes:

Dare I say it again? "Tiringly predictable" :yawn2:

[JimBHibees]

It will be reflecting its readerships views just like the National does on the other side of the coin. I like the Scotsman but don't agree with all its views but it's the best daily newspaper in Scotland

Not even close, the Herald is the best by miles.

[ronaldo7]

Not even close, the Herald is the best by miles.

:agree: Comparing the two, they're miles apart, and the Scotsman's the one trailing well behind.

[snooky]

The Scotsman continues to pump out its SNP bad crap. What a waste of pulp this rag has become. As one would expect, the National publishes from a nationalist perspective. No surprise there.
FFS, can we not have a truly independent newspaper that is not corrupted by personal and/or political undertones. One that would just tell it like it is.

[snooky]

Scotland on Sunday's headline today "SNP council tax freeze hits women hardest."
Other newspapers reporting 1) serious flooding in the country, 2) we could be bombing civilians in Syria,3) the main suspect in a triple murder caught ... and other global trivialities.
Good to see the Scotsman has its eye firmly on the big issues in the world.

[AndyM_1875]

I have friends who used to work for The Scotsman (all took redundancy) and most will tell you that the Barclay Brothers and then Johnston Press have pretty much destroyed that paper. The best writers have all gone, the staff count has been reduced to ludicrously low levels and as such the quality of what used to be an excellent paper (circa early-mid 1990s) has declined massively.

It's now an incredibly cheap looking paper filled with AssociatedPress/Reuters stories and a few freelance articles that generally are in there to get the cybernats frothing (not that that takes much). The online comment sections are also nothing if not embarrassing, tedious click bait garbage.

One problem for the Scotsman is that the Herald fills the market for an intelligent, Scottish, pro business paper and it has better writers and journalists working for it.
It's also decent at scrutinizing the politics, regardless of party, something that both the Scotsman on one side and the National on the other fail miserably at.

Print media is declining and online is growing and I don't see the Scotsman surviving which is a shame.

[snooky]

I have friends who used to work for The Scotsman (all took redundancy) and most will tell you that the Barclay Brothers and then Johnston Press have pretty much destroyed that paper. The best writers have all gone, the staff count has been reduced to ludicrously low levels and as such the quality of what used to be an excellent paper (circa early-mid 1990s) has declined massively.

It's now an incredibly cheap looking paper filled with AssociatedPress/Reuters stories and a few freelance articles that generally are in there to get the cybernats frothing (not that that takes much). The online comment sections are also nothing if not embarrassing, tedious click bait garbage.

One problem for the Scotsman is that the Herald fills the market for an intelligent, Scottish, pro business paper and it has better writers and journalists working for it.
It's also decent at scrutinizing the politics, regardless of party, something that both the Scotsman on one side and the National on the other fail miserably at.

Print media is declining and online is growing and I don't see the Scotsman surviving which is a shame.

Good post. I think the majority of newspaper readers on here would agree with all your points.

[snooky]

Good post. I think the majority of newspaper readers on here would agree with all your points.

My final post on this thread regarding this wet rag & my last purchase of this said item.
Actually, I can't be arzd regurgitating it all again so please refer to all my previous posts above. (They continue to apply especially re. Brian :yawn: Wilson.)

[Dashing Bob S]

I have friends who used to work for The Scotsman (all took redundancy) and most will tell you that the Barclay Brothers and then Johnston Press have pretty much destroyed that paper. The best writers have all gone, the staff count has been reduced to ludicrously low levels and as such the quality of what used to be an excellent paper (circa early-mid 1990s) has declined massively.

It's now an incredibly cheap looking paper filled with AssociatedPress/Reuters stories and a few freelance articles that generally are in there to get the cybernats frothing (not that that takes much). The online comment sections are also nothing if not embarrassing, tedious click bait garbage.

One problem for the Scotsman is that the Herald fills the market for an intelligent, Scottish, pro business paper and it has better writers and journalists working for it.
It's also decent at scrutinizing the politics, regardless of party, something that both the Scotsman on one side and the National on the other fail miserably at.

Print media is declining and online is growing and I don't see the Scotsman surviving which is a shame.

I have a relative who used to work there, who basically says the same thing. Ironically, it's the Evening News circulation (most of it football led by Hibs & Hearts fans) which keeps it afloat - it and SOS are pretty much an extinct vanity project with a couple of sycophantic journos and interns from the local schools and colleges writing and researching everything online.

Every time I see it on a news stall I'm shocked that it's still around. I used to buy it regularly throughout the 80's and early 90's but I haven't bought a copy at least this century and I can't say I've missed it one iota.

[AndyM_1875]

I have a relative who used to work there, who basically says the same thing. Ironically, it's the Evening News circulation (most of it football led by Hibs & Hearts fans) which keeps it afloat - it and SOS are pretty much an extinct vanity project with a couple of sycophantic journos and interns from the local schools and colleges writing and researching everything online.

Every time I see it on a news stall I'm shocked that it's still around. I used to buy it regularly throughout the 80's and early 90's but I haven't bought a copy at least this century and I can't say I've missed it one iota.

That's the thing Bob, the Evening News is relatively healthy (as far as these things go) and reasonably high quality.

Haven't bought a Scotland On Sunday for a while either. The market for the Scottish weekend quality paper must be looking pretty weak with the cuts at Scotsman towers affecting SoS and the Sunday Herald now backed into a corner with both the pro Indy angle and then the self harm it did sacking Spiers and Haggerty last week which will have lost it many readers who take their weekday news online.

[Northernhibee]

FFS, they're at it again after a lull of a couple of weeks.
There's that old scribbler Brian Wilson having his tiringly predictable pop at the SNP :yawn2:.
Re. the letters page, seven of the eleven are basically anti-SNP comments. (The other four have no political party references).
Jeez, I don't mind the Scottish government (i.e. the SNP) being criticized - I've done it myself on other threads - but this is just an all out vendetta.
The one-sidedness is so blatant that this newspaper's credibility as a source of general public opinion has become null & void.

"The Scotsman"? How ironic.

The SNP does not equate to or even represent Scotland.

[green glory]

The SNP does not equate to or even represent Scotland.

They represent Scotland by a majority in both parliament.

[Northernhibee]

They represent Scotland by a majority in both parliament.

They still only represent a minority view with their pro Indy views.

[Peevemor]

They still only represent a minority view with their pro Indy views.

I'm not sure that's still the case.

[The Harp Awakes]

The SNP does not equate to or even represent Scotland.

:confused:

I'm not sure the reasoning behind that comment, perhaps you could elaborate?

Whether you like it or not, the SNP form the Scottish Government at Holyrood and their 50+ MPs and 3 non-SNP MPs all represent Scotland at Westminster.

[Cameron1875]

They still only represent a minority view with their pro Indy views.

Minority in your heed = 1.6 million people?!

Wow.

[Northernhibee]

Minority in your heed = 1.6 million people?!

Wow.

I don't know if you noticed but the amount that voted no was over 2m. Sorry to disappoint but 2m is a bigger number than 1.6m.

[ronaldo7]

The Scotsman now on the market for £10m

A once proud paper going to the highest bidder.

[RyeSloan]

The Scotsman now on the market for £10m A once proud paper going to the highest bidder.

More like the lowest bidder...£10m...for what I would ask.

[snooky]

Okay, so I said that post no. 47 would be my last one on this thread however, I have to come back to disclose the remarkable fact that I actually finally agree with something Brian Wilson has written. It's the last line of his second last paragraph.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/brian-wilson-still-fighting-the-one-party-state-1-4115178


"After more than 200 weeks, it’s time to give it a rest."

Phew!

[The Green Goblin]

It'll never be as bad as The Sunday Post, a newspaper stuck in the midsts of time!

:agree: And yet, that's why I can't help liking it. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

I feel the need to resurrect this thread.

The Scotsman and its sister the Evening News are so full of errors. Here is what I found without much effort.

Today - Livingston is in Edinburgh, apparently

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-play-park-destroyed-after-firebugs-set-it-alight-1-4228193

MSP demoted to Councillor

http://www.scotsman.com/news/green-councillor-hits-out-at-judy-murray-s-tennis-and-golf-centre-1-4228902

Feel free to add your own.

[AndyM_1875]

I feel the need to resurrect this thread.

The Scotsman and its sister the Evening News are so full of errors. Here is what I found without much effort.

Today - Livingston is in Edinburgh, apparently

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-play-park-destroyed-after-firebugs-set-it-alight-1-4228193

MSP demoted to Councillor

http://www.scotsman.com/news/green-councillor-hits-out-at-judy-murray-s-tennis-and-golf-centre-1-4228902

Feel free to add your own.

Probably the result another round of "cost cutting" which saw most of the sub-editors getting their jotters.

[grunt]

I feel the need to resurrect this thread.

The Scotsman and its sister the Evening News are so full of errors. Here is what I found without much effort.

Today - Livingston is in Edinburgh, apparently

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-play-park-destroyed-after-firebugs-set-it-alight-1-4228193

MSP demoted to Councillor

http://www.scotsman.com/news/green-councillor-hits-out-at-judy-murray-s-tennis-and-golf-centre-1-4228902

Feel free to add your own.I make a point of correcting the spelling mistakes in the EEN and Scotsman tweets, and replying to them pointing out their mistakes. It's silly, I know, but what happened to professional standards?

[heretoday]

I've had to get the News every day this week and I must say that I have found it a livelier read than before. It's Hibs and Hearts heavy of course with piffling filler pieces about both clubs. That's not changed. But the political stuff is snappier and there are some lurid crime stories given big space. I sense that it's competing directly with the tabloids now that it's on the racks earlier.

[snooky]

A visiting friend bought me the Scotsman yesterday unaware of my now total disdain for the rag.
I turned the pages to my 'favourite' columnist Brian Wilson and he didn't disappoint me.
Still grinding out the same old anti-SNP crap.
He deserved a medal for journalistic stamina for writing on a sole subject.

[Edinburgher]

I have no doubt whatsoever that the comments section and its voting system are manipulated. I remember once posting (as an Indie supporter) something which appeared to be, at first pro-union but was ultimately pro-Indie - went and checked the votes for and against - 8 up 1 down, went back a couple of hours later (once the editor had obviously read my post fully) and suddenly 0 up and 13 down. Now this happens also when I have marked up pro-Indie posts - there is never any vote up for them after checking later on (even though the site says that my vote is registered) - I`ve used the above two methods repeatedly and every time - same results. Much of the unionist clickbait articles (i.e SNP ones) seem to attract anti-Scottish racists not from our country but as the Scotsman doesn`t use posters locations on their forum - it is of course repeatedly up for abuse with people that clearly have no knowledge of Edinburgh or Scotland pretending they are from there yet always utilising words like "Scotch" and "Jock"! Hopefully it`ll fold soon and we will all be the better for it!

[snooky]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-38155954

Happy 200th birthday to the Scotsman.
I would like to wish you all the best for the future.....








.................. but alas, I can't. :coffee:

[pollution]

I stopped reading it when the headline read " Princess Street shops etc ". It doesn't get worse than that, as well as publishing an

obviously photo shopped image as their photo of the day.

[ballengeich]

A sports headline yesterday :- "Three Hearts game live on TV in six days". The dates are 29th Jan, 1st Feb and 4th Feb - that's seven days.

[snooky]

A sports headline yesterday :- "Three Hearts game live on TV in six days". The dates are 29th Jan, 1st Feb and 4th Feb - that's seven days.

Their abacus must have a virus.