Are Hearts Heading For A Points Deduction?

[Waxy]

This isn't such a bad idea, we could raise awareness of their cheating past each year on the anniversary of the day they went into administration leaving hundreds of small business's on the brink of poverty. We could hand pick one debt every year, raise the money to pay it and highlight how hearts fans have made no effort to pay the debts which their club accrued in their futile pursuit of champions league glory. Even The rangers fans made attempts to pay some of the more embarrassing debts they had. We could run a poll each year to decide which debt should be paid.
Hearts debt
2 Sports Marketing Ltd £5,153
A1 Minibus & Coaches £100
ADT Fire£1,033
Ayr United FC£1,750
Arnold Clark Finance£6,764
Allan Dick£50
Alasdair Fraser£528
Ardue House Hotel£180
AllStar Business Solutions£100
Alexander Szaorari£9,100
AB Ukio Bankas£15,488,290
Baltic Clipper£497
Bank of Scotland (Merchant Services)£100
Bank of Scotland (Equipment Finance)£970
Beswicks Sports Ltd£3,000
BOC Gases£490
British Red Cross£76
BT£3,024
British Gas£580
BIG Hearts Community Trust£589
Bruce Rae Property Management£34,048
Business Line UAB£204,143
Cable & Wireless£2,198
James Calcer£1,411
Cameron Presentations£5,406
Campbell Medical Supplies£100
Janette Campbell£100
Cardiac Services£152
Charlie Irons Coaches£100
Chamic£100
Childcare Vouchers£100
B Ciocco£11,469
Citroen£5,232
Clearwater Technology£5,156
Clouds£6,870
Coerver Coaching Scotland£949
Concept Group£841
Copymade Ltd£100
Corona Energy Retail£29,729
The Insolvency Service£0
DJ Alexander£6,323
David Cameron£110
Miss Amal Daher£120
Dataserve UK£160
DC Lighting Services£652
DJB Fire & Safety Training£48
Outfield Harrison£1,816
Daisy Communications£1,474
Ensco 165 £509,464
Eamonn Collins£5,000
Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce£674
Elite Medicale£222
Ermington Associates£100
Egkijius Valiauga£863
Fife Imaging Associates£903
Fountain Court Apartments£100
Football Safety Officers£230
GF Capital Solutions£337
John Gibson£2,520
Glenham Property£100
Graeme Rankin Sports Mgmt.£12,000
Green Star Media£77
Greentech Sportsturf£1,056
G4S£12,057
GroupCall Ltd.£210
HM Revenue - VAT£0
HM Revenue£1,881,068
Hamilton & Brydie£144
Hectic Life£52
HBJ Gateley Wareing£100
Herriot Watt£145,655
Highlander Kilt Hire£430
Hitachi Capital£7
Holiday Inn Aberdeen£58
Homespring Ltd£499
Sven Housten£40
HoMFC Shareholder Association£5,030
Impact Signs£6,499
InterLax£234
Interface En£100
James Armstrong & Co£1,520
Johnston Carmichael£100
Jane Lofthouse Johnson£410
James Sandison£680
J Thomson Colour Printers£100
Kauno Futbolo£13,431
Key Sports Management£23,049
Korelita£52,610
KPMG Hungary£1,190
Lady Haigs Poppy Fund£185
Lietuvos Rytas£37
Livingston FC£282
Liverpool FC£46,625
Llyods TSB£17,165
Lex Autolease£1,159
Lochgreen Hotel£510
Lyco Direct Ltd.£1,822
Milson Capital Corp£1,223,989
Ian Maclennan£335
McCraes Battalion Trust£100
Dr Carrie McCrea£760
Tony McGill£19,625
Dr Scott McKie£700
McRae of Gorgie£560
Meridan Hospital£790
Dr Andrew Murray£250
Musselburgh Athletic FC£5,790
Michael Page International£100
NHS Lothian£75
NHS Fife £739
North Lanarkshire Council£100
Northgate Vechile Hire£100
Nuffield Health£4,645
OG Lawfirm£5,000
Orange£5,896
PHS Group£1,110
Pulsant Scotland£240
Paton Plant Ltd£3,290
Pendrich Height Services£6,552
Performing Right Society£13,995
Pitch International£4,746
PPL Sport & Leisure£1,325
PPL£4,133
Premier Sports£4,836
ProKit£100
ProAmica£34,899
Professor Ernest Schiders£2,410
Rapide Communication£176
Respublikos Investicija£62
Runos Vertimal£43
RWN Orthopaedics£100
Ryden Lettings£100
Rigby Taylor Ltd.£1,564
Robert Graeme Wilson£150
Spie Matthew£2,436
Spire Healthcare£3,118
Scottish Water£100
Steve Hutchison£3,430
Scottish Police Authority£18,585
Savills£20,602
Scottish Ambulance Services£2,454
Scomac Catering Equip.£100
Scottish Power (Stadium)£9,544
Scottish Power (Ticket Office)£5,467
Scottish Power (Admin Block)£1,254
Scottish Gas Business£347
Scrubbers Laundry£162
SDMS£411
Securevent Security£12,309
SFA£5,011
Shanks Waste Mgmt.£1,211
Scottish Hydro Electric£139
Jordan Shearer£90
Shred-it£457
Sky Business£100
Slaters£100
SNS Group£1,281
Spectator Seating£13,005
Speedy Power£100
Sportsmasters£1,648
Sporting ID£100
Sports Medicine Uraea AB£2,700
SRM Hearts£19,853
Scottish Power£100
St Andrews First Aid£364
Stenhousemuir FC£12,900
Stellar Football Ltd£5,750
Streamline Print Mgmt.£418
Superturas£26,636
Scottish Youth Football Assoc.£1,700
T.G Baker Sound£2,656
ThyssenKnapp Elevator£3,378
City of Edinburgh Council£90,715
City of Edinburgh Council (for flats)£2,631
The Edinburgh Clinic£557
Newspaper Licensing Agency£1,428
Talk Talk£5,548
The Rangers FC£1,410
Ticketmaster£33,112
TNT UK£8
TNT Post£56
Trichem£1,380
Technology Services Group£1,967
Turnstile Systems£810
UAB litcargus£1,166
UK Football Academy£228
Unum£2,300
UAB Ukio£8,151,497
Veecom Systems£3,525
Viola£290
Vodafone Connect£343
Wallace Brown/Langstane£956
Weatherseal£42
Western Saab£500
Dr David Whitaker£500
Scott Wilson£1,000
Yorkshire Clinic£2,562Weatherseal £42? wonder if romanov answered one of the weatherseal cold callers?

[Waxy]

Or maybe it's a big tub of that stuff you get from b and q to keep the weather out of old wooden stuff? Like an old main stand?

[happiehibbie]

so I take it there is no substance to this thread on the rules being broken ?

[Waxy]

Shred it £457? very sus that one.what they shredded eh? £457s worth of shredding thats what.

[CropleyWasGod]

so I take it there is no substance to this thread on the rules being broken ?

Why not?

The SPFL offices probably aren't open today.:wink:

[Waxy]

Big hearts community trust £589

Sorry but lol

[Aldo]

F*** the h****s That is all.

Couldn't of put it better myself Silver! :-)

[hibees 7062]

This isn't such a bad idea, we could raise awareness of their cheating past each year on the anniversary of the day they went into administration leaving hundreds of small business's on the brink of poverty. We could hand pick one debt every year, raise the money to pay it and highlight how hearts fans have made no effort to pay the debts which their club accrued in their futile pursuit of champions league glory. Even The rangers fans made attempts to pay some of the more embarrassing debts they had. We could run a poll each year to decide which debt should be paid.
Hearts debt
2 Sports Marketing Ltd £5,153
A1 Minibus & Coaches £100
ADT Fire£1,033
Ayr United FC£1,750
Arnold Clark Finance£6,764
Allan Dick£50
Alasdair Fraser£528
Ardue House Hotel£180
AllStar Business Solutions£100
Alexander Szaorari£9,100
AB Ukio Bankas£15,488,290
Baltic Clipper£497
Bank of Scotland (Merchant Services)£100
Bank of Scotland (Equipment Finance)£970
Beswicks Sports Ltd£3,000
BOC Gases£490
British Red Cross£76
BT£3,024
British Gas£580
BIG Hearts Community Trust£589
Bruce Rae Property Management£34,048
Business Line UAB£204,143
Cable & Wireless£2,198
James Calcer£1,411
Cameron Presentations£5,406
Campbell Medical Supplies£100
Janette Campbell£100
Cardiac Services£152
Charlie Irons Coaches£100
Chamic£100
Childcare Vouchers£100
B Ciocco£11,469
Citroen£5,232
Clearwater Technology£5,156
Clouds£6,870
Coerver Coaching Scotland£949
Concept Group£841
Copymade Ltd£100
Corona Energy Retail£29,729
The Insolvency Service£0
DJ Alexander£6,323
David Cameron£110
Miss Amal Daher£120
Dataserve UK£160
DC Lighting Services£652
DJB Fire & Safety Training£48
Outfield Harrison£1,816
Daisy Communications£1,474
Ensco 165 £509,464
Eamonn Collins£5,000
Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce£674
Elite Medicale£222
Ermington Associates£100
Egkijius Valiauga£863
Fife Imaging Associates£903
Fountain Court Apartments£100
Football Safety Officers£230
GF Capital Solutions£337
John Gibson£2,520
Glenham Property£100
Graeme Rankin Sports Mgmt.£12,000
Green Star Media£77
Greentech Sportsturf£1,056
G4S£12,057
GroupCall Ltd.£210
HM Revenue - VAT£0
HM Revenue£1,881,068
Hamilton & Brydie£144
Hectic Life£52
HBJ Gateley Wareing£100
Herriot Watt£145,655
Highlander Kilt Hire£430
Hitachi Capital£7
Holiday Inn Aberdeen£58
Homespring Ltd£499
Sven Housten£40
HoMFC Shareholder Association£5,030
Impact Signs£6,499
InterLax£234
Interface En£100
James Armstrong & Co£1,520
Johnston Carmichael£100
Jane Lofthouse Johnson£410
James Sandison£680
J Thomson Colour Printers£100
Kauno Futbolo£13,431
Key Sports Management£23,049
Korelita£52,610
KPMG Hungary£1,190
Lady Haigs Poppy Fund£185
Lietuvos Rytas£37
Livingston FC£282
Liverpool FC£46,625
Llyods TSB£17,165
Lex Autolease£1,159
Lochgreen Hotel£510
Lyco Direct Ltd.£1,822
Milson Capital Corp£1,223,989
Ian Maclennan£335
McCraes Battalion Trust£100
Dr Carrie McCrea£760
Tony McGill£19,625
Dr Scott McKie£700
McRae of Gorgie£560
Meridan Hospital£790
Dr Andrew Murray£250
Musselburgh Athletic FC£5,790
Michael Page International£100
NHS Lothian£75
NHS Fife £739
North Lanarkshire Council£100
Northgate Vechile Hire£100
Nuffield Health£4,645
OG Lawfirm£5,000
Orange£5,896
PHS Group£1,110
Pulsant Scotland£240
Paton Plant Ltd£3,290
Pendrich Height Services£6,552
Performing Right Society£13,995
Pitch International£4,746
PPL Sport & Leisure£1,325
PPL£4,133
Premier Sports£4,836
ProKit£100
ProAmica£34,899
Professor Ernest Schiders£2,410
Rapide Communication£176
Respublikos Investicija£62
Runos Vertimal£43
RWN Orthopaedics£100
Ryden Lettings£100
Rigby Taylor Ltd.£1,564
Robert Graeme Wilson£150
Spie Matthew£2,436
Spire Healthcare£3,118
Scottish Water£100
Steve Hutchison£3,430
Scottish Police Authority£18,585
Savills£20,602
Scottish Ambulance Services£2,454
Scomac Catering Equip.£100
Scottish Power (Stadium)£9,544
Scottish Power (Ticket Office)£5,467
Scottish Power (Admin Block)£1,254
Scottish Gas Business£347
Scrubbers Laundry£162
SDMS£411
Securevent Security£12,309
SFA£5,011
Shanks Waste Mgmt.£1,211
Scottish Hydro Electric£139
Jordan Shearer£90
Shred-it£457
Sky Business£100
Slaters£100
SNS Group£1,281
Spectator Seating£13,005
Speedy Power£100
Sportsmasters£1,648
Sporting ID£100
Sports Medicine Uraea AB£2,700
SRM Hearts£19,853
Scottish Power£100
St Andrews First Aid£364
Stenhousemuir FC£12,900
Stellar Football Ltd£5,750
Streamline Print Mgmt.£418
Superturas£26,636
Scottish Youth Football Assoc.£1,700
T.G Baker Sound£2,656
ThyssenKnapp Elevator£3,378
City of Edinburgh Council£90,715
City of Edinburgh Council (for flats)£2,631
The Edinburgh Clinic£557
Newspaper Licensing Agency£1,428
Talk Talk£5,548
The Rangers FC£1,410
Ticketmaster£33,112
TNT UK£8
TNT Post£56
Trichem£1,380
Technology Services Group£1,967
Turnstile Systems£810
UAB litcargus£1,166
UK Football Academy£228
Unum£2,300
UAB Ukio£8,151,497
Veecom Systems£3,525
Viola£290
Vodafone Connect£343
Wallace Brown/Langstane£956
Weatherseal£42
Western Saab£500
Dr David Whitaker£500
Scott Wilson£1,000
Yorkshire Clinic£2,562

Worthwhile cause

[Hibby Bairn]

This isn't such a bad idea, we could raise awareness of their cheating past each year on the anniversary of the day they went into administration leaving hundreds of small business's on the brink of poverty. We could hand pick one debt every year, raise the money to pay it and highlight how hearts fans have made no effort to pay the debts which their club accrued in their futile pursuit of champions league glory. Even The rangers fans made attempts to pay some of the more embarrassing debts they had. We could run a poll each year to decide which debt should be paid.
Hearts debt



That is a brilliant idea.

Suggest starting with either Big Hearts, James Sandison or Scott Wilson. Maybe Livingston FC.

A few photos, bit of PR, create a nice wee event around it. Maybe a formal half time big cheque presentation at each derby game at Tynecastle.

[EastCalderHibby]

Shred it £457? very sus that one.what they shredded eh? £457s worth of shredding thats what.

shredded their shares :greengrin

[happiehibbie]

Why not?

The SPFL offices probably aren't open today.:wink:

because we seem to be on a different tangent !

[fat freddy]

That is a brilliant idea.

Suggest starting with either Big Hearts, James Sandison or Scott Wilson. Maybe Livingston FC.

A few photos, bit of PR, create a nice wee event around it. Maybe a formal half time big cheque presentation at each derby game at Tynecastle.
I was thinking of starting with Hitachi Capital for our first repayment, it's £7. How do you run up a debt of £7 ? How hard can it be to pop a cheque for that amount into the letterbox? But I like your idea of a big cardboard cheque and a big crowd of smug Hibbies smiling as we hand the cheque over to the impoverished chairman of Hitachi. As they say over the road, the seethe would be very pleasing

[greenginger]

Why not?

The SPFL offices probably aren't open today.:wink:


Had anyone heard anything about Livvy getting the points deduction before the SPFL announced said 5 point deduction.

The SPFL are looking into the fielding of Gary Oliver by the Yams.

[Mikey]

because we seem to be on a different tangent !

Well seeing as the person investigating isn't likely to be back at his desk until Monday we might as well talk about something!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

That is a brilliant idea.

Suggest starting with either Big Hearts, James Sandison or Scott Wilson. Maybe Livingston FC.

A few photos, bit of PR, create a nice wee event around it. Maybe a formal half time big cheque presentation at each derby game at Tynecastle.

Hmmm could trump them all with the close to their hear Mccraes Battalion Trust...

How did that slip under the radar ?! I

[Hibrandenburg]

Can we please stop quoting that debtors list? I'm getting ****er's cramp in my left thumb!

[I'm_cabbaged]

Haha, I was just about to post the same.

[CropleyWasGod]

Can we please stop quoting that debtors list? I'm getting ****er's cramp in my left thumb!

1. it's a creditors list.

2. you have 2 hands.

[Bostonhibby]

Weatherseal £42? wonder if romanov answered one of the weatherseal cold callers?

:hilarious Stand roof more like, a load of sealant and a sealant gun? John McGlynn crawling over the corrugated asbestos in his safety trackie bottoms and baseball hat.

[Betty Boop]

93,000 owed to the Council ? Deary me its a wonder they're not screaming from the rooftops, considering the fact that they're trying to claw money in from everywhere, and making massive cuts.:rolleyes:

[Swedish hibee]

Hearts are shameful. Scottish footballs disgrace.

[PatHead]

Hearts are shameful. Scottish footballs disgrace.

Council is shameful as well allowing that to be run up. If anyone misses one payment they are all over them like a rash.

[silverhibee]

so I take it there is no substance to this thread on the rules being broken ?

It's being investigated by the SPFL/SFA the OP said, i doubt they will want in the public domain, ie press/media until they have completed the investigation, once that is done the cheats will be pulled in front of the beaks if they have cheated.

[silverhibee]

Council is shameful as well allowing that to be run up. If anyone misses one payment they are all over them like a rash.

Scott & co tapping at your door, how did the cheats get away with it.

[Billy Whizz]

Scott & co tapping at your door, how did the cheats get away with it.

They went into admin, and became a Newco

[Hibby Bairn]

......debtors list?

They wish :)

[greenginger]

It's being investigated by the SPFL/SFA the OP said, i doubt they will want in the public domain, ie press/media until they have completed the investigation, once that is done the cheats will be pulled in front of the beaks if they have cheated.

What may take the investigations even longer is there are now 2 sets of rules governing SPFL temporary transfers.

The rules were updated on 11/9/2014, the Gary Oliver temporary transfer went through on 30/8/2014, so I would guess it is the earlier rules that will be applied. But who knows !

Good thing is both sets of rules require temporary transfers to run to the first day of the next transfer window. :thumbsup:

[silverhibee]

They went into admin, and became a Newco

You miss one payment on your council tax and the next month you will get a letter from Scott & co, keep missing these payments and Scott & co will send you a letter saying something like," if the outstanding balance isn't paid within the next 14 days they will look to freeze bank accounts and look to recover the monies owed to them, you will then have Scott & co turning up at your door demanding payment, you will then be asked how much you can pay a week towards debt and go on a payment plan, now you are having to pay the council back & Scott & co for there fees for letters and paying you a visit to agree a payment plan, Scott & co should have taken action long before they went in to admin, it was obvious the yams were not paying anyone a bolt, Scott & co under orders from the council should have moved in and recovered the debt amount for whatever it was at the time, if they didn't get it they would have the authority to stop them trading as a football club until the debt is paid, that's what happens with Joe Public, why were the yams treated differently by Scott & co.

[greenginger]

There were other Council debts they managed to wangle a way out of , with maximum assistance from the Council Yams.

When the mega-stand was being planned, they entered into an agreement to buy the Council Offices and car park behind the stand with a break clause that the Council would get a sum of about £ 300,000 should Hearts pull out of the deal. That was to cover Council costs etc.

When the deal collapsed the £ 300,000 claim was dropped and an extended lease agreed for the premises.

On a separate note,
I wonder if Budge is paying rent to the Liths/Lith administrators for the old ticket office/club office they still use just off Mcleod Street.

[Peevemor]

There were other Council debts they managed to wangle a way out of , with maximum assistance from the Council Yams.

When the mega-stand was being planned, they entered into an agreement to buy the Council Offices and car park behind the stand with a break clause that the Council would get a sum of about £ 300,000 should Hearts pull out of the deal. That was to cover Council costs etc.

When the deal collapsed the £ 300,000 claim was dropped and an extended lease agreed for the premises.

On a separate note,
I wonder if Budge is paying rent to the Liths/Lith administrators for the old ticket office/club office they still use just off Mcleod Street.

The ticket office building was sold by Mercer's widow to another Vlad company, although I've no idea if it had anything to do with the UBIG or UKIO structures.

[Weststandwanab]

You miss one payment on your council tax and the next month you will get a letter from Scott & co, keep missing these payments and Scott & co will send you a letter saying something like," if the outstanding balance isn't paid within the next 14 days they will look to freeze bank accounts and look to recover the monies owed to them, you will then have Scott & co turning up at your door demanding payment, you will then be asked how much you can pay a week towards debt and go on a payment plan, now you are having to pay the council back & Scott & co for there fees for letters and paying you a visit to agree a payment plan, Scott & co should have taken action long before they went in to admin, it was obvious the yams were not paying anyone a bolt, Scott & co under orders from the council should have moved in and recovered the debt amount for whatever it was at the time, if they didn't get it they would have the authority to stop them trading as a football club until the debt is paid, that's what happens with Joe Public, why were the yams treated differently by Scott & co.

We are easy targets for the cowards that are messengers -at -arms whereas a football club with access to fast and bent lawyers are not.

Secondly - in my opinion- any individual that works for, with or in connection with these people have to be a special kind of basteward

[happiehibbie]

It's being investigated by the SPFL/SFA the OP said, i doubt they will want in the public domain, ie press/media until they have completed the investigation, once that is done the cheats will be pulled in front of the beaks if they have cheated.


thanks

[CropleyWasGod]

We are easy targets for the cowards that are messengers -at -arms whereas a football club with access to fast and bent lawyers are not.

Secondly - in my opinion- any individual that works for, with or in connection with these people have to be a special kind of basteward

I have to disagree.

Many's the time I have made use of their services to recover honest debts; a story that is replicated thousands of times over every year.

These "cowards" are a valuable tool of our legal system IMO.

[CropleyWasGod]

You miss one payment on your council tax and the next month you will get a letter from Scott & co, keep missing these payments and Scott & co will send you a letter saying something like," if the outstanding balance isn't paid within the next 14 days they will look to freeze bank accounts and look to recover the monies owed to them, you will then have Scott & co turning up at your door demanding payment, you will then be asked how much you can pay a week towards debt and go on a payment plan, now you are having to pay the council back & Scott & co for there fees for letters and paying you a visit to agree a payment plan, Scott & co should have taken action long before they went in to admin, it was obvious the yams were not paying anyone a bolt, Scott & co under orders from the council should have moved in and recovered the debt amount for whatever it was at the time, if they didn't get it they would have the authority to stop them trading as a football club until the debt is paid, that's what happens with Joe Public, why were the yams treated differently by Scott & co.

That would have only have had the same result, sadly. Administration sooner, and no recovery for the CEC.

[PatHead]

That would have only have had the same result, sadly. Administration sooner, and no recovery for the CEC.

But the administrators and postadminco would have been up and running sooner and started to pay rates sooner with the result that such a large debt would not have accrued. Council would have got more money. Maybe some of the smaller creditors would also not have allowed such a debt to run up and everyone else would have been better off.

The council should have handled that better as should Heriot Watt due to the fact they are public bodies.

[HFC 0-7]

That would have only have had the same result, sadly. Administration sooner, and no recovery for the CEC.

Not really, there were winding up petitions fairly regularly against them and they managed to pay until eventually they couldn't. There was a pretty good chance that they would have tried to pay that bill if they were forced to in the same way joe public is. Remember it wasn't until ukio went tits up that forced them into admin. If the council chased before then I think it would have been paid.

[CropleyWasGod]

But the administrators and postadminco would have been up and running sooner and started to pay rates sooner with the result that such a large debt would not have accrued. Council would have got more money. Maybe some of the smaller creditors would also not have allowed such a debt to run up and everyone else would have been better off.

The council should have handled that better as should Heriot Watt due to the fact they are public bodies.

Fair point, but all ifs and maybes. Maybe a different administrator would have been appointed, maybe the Liths wouldn't have given in the way they did, maybe Budge wouldn't have been able to get involved..... all of which might have led to a different conclusion.

[silverhibee]

That would have only have had the same result, sadly. Administration sooner, and no recovery for the CEC.

Would that not mean the cheats wouldn't have been able to run up higher debts though. :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

Would that not mean the cheats wouldn't have been able to run up higher debts though. :confused:
...see my earlier answer to a similar point. :)

[Colr]

We are easy targets for the cowards that are messengers -at -arms whereas a football club with access to fast and bent lawyers are not.

Secondly - in my opinion- any individual that works for, with or in connection with these people have to be a special kind of basteward

I would like to know of the Council is still offering any kind of credit terms or is owed any money by Hearts. Fool me once.....

[silverhibee]

...see my earlier answer to a similar point. :)

Defo cheaters. :agree: :greengrin

[greenginger]

I would like to know of the Council is still offering any kind of credit terms or is owed any money by Hearts. Fool me once.....

Try a freedom of information request. The council website has an online application page.

Mind you , they will probably knock you back on sensitive commercial information guise, so you have to ask for a review.

[southern hibby]

Worthwhile cause

I can donate the £76 to Hibs Net if they would like to take credit for paying it back and we can get this party started.

Can someone from Hibsnet PM me and we can discuss payment from me.

GGTTH

[Jdawg]

I have to disagree.

Many's the time I have made use of their services to recover honest debts; a story that is replicated thousands of times over every year.

These "cowards" are a valuable tool of our legal system IMO. Completely agree with you on this point, cant quite comprehend the original post, a totally generalised view.

[hibees 7062]

I can donate the £76 to Hibs Net if they would like to take credit for paying it back and we can get this party started.

Can someone from Hibsnet PM me and we can discuss payment from me.

GGTTH

:top marks Superb

[GreenLake]

I'll pay the NHS Lothian £75 Heart of Midlothian Football Club debt if the Poppy thieves have been unable to find a single decent person amongst them to honour it. The NHS has a tough job with budget cuts and increasing patient care costs.

[Weststandwanab]

But the administrators and postadminco would have been up and running sooner and started to pay rates sooner with the result that such a large debt would not have accrued. Council would have got more money. Maybe some of the smaller creditors would also not have allowed such a debt to run up and everyone else would have been better off.

The council should have handled that better as should Heriot Watt due to the fact they are public bodies.

Your theory is correct in my opinion.


Not really, there were winding up petitions fairly regularly against them and they managed to pay until eventually they couldn't. There was a pretty good chance that they would have tried to pay that bill if they were forced to in the same way joe public is. Remember it wasn't until ukio went tits up that forced them into admin. If the council chased before then I think it would have been paid.
Spot on.

Would that not mean the cheats wouldn't have been able to run up higher debts though. :confused:

More than likely.


I would like to know of the Council is still offering any kind of credit terms or is owed any money by Hearts. Fool me once.....

Try asking -you will get no answer, try a F.O.I. request you will get legal red tape or maybe ask Mrs Budge.


Try a freedom of information request. The council website has an online application page.

Mind you , they will probably knock you back on sensitive commercial information guise, so you have to ask for a review.

They will.


Completely agree with you on this point, cant quite comprehend the original post, a totally generalised view.

That is you opinion which I accept, I was merely stating my opinion.

[greenginger]

I doubt they will be in arrears to the Council ...... YET !

Their Season ticket money ( how many £ 10 kids ones were sold ? ) and the £ 1 million from FoH would keep them going until now.

However, out of every cup in the first round, the FoH cash been used to pay off football creditors , and Potters 10 new signings must all have eaten greatly into their bank account.

Their only new income until the end of the season are Walk-ups and Merchandise. I dare say the early sale of next years season tickets will confirm the same old Yams are back.

[Keith_M]

Seeing as Hearts Fans will be reading this, I thought it worthwhile to remind them.....


Vladimir Romanov still owns 15% of Hearts*


--------------------

Happy New Year


:thumbsup:



* courtesy of his neice

[Bostonhibby]

I would like to know of the Council is still offering any kind of credit terms or is owed any money by Hearts. Fool me once.....
Favours will exist and a bit of looking the other way seems to be in the culture however I doubt it will be their council tax this time as it is too obvious. It will be more sleekit than that this time so as to avoid having to disclose in the way the council tax came out. At some point I can't help thinking the good taxpayers of Edinburgh will be solving their stadium problem.

[NGP]

Big Hearts Community trust, their own charity is listed at around £1k. It was actually over £35k that was due to the charity from the club, but instead of giving the charity the cash, they claimed the charity owed them 'rent' for the use of office space.

[Aldo]

Favours will exist and a bit of looking the other way seems to be in the culture however I doubt it will be their council tax this time as it is too obvious. It will be more sleekit than that this time so as to avoid having to disclose in the way the council tax came out. At some point I can't help thinking the good taxpayers of Edinburgh will be solving their stadium problem.

See where your coming from BH but surely the Council will realise that if they do there would be out cry.

£100,000 (or so) in arrears prior to administration and EC do nowt yet they chase joe public for a couple of months in arrears week in week out.

I will say though that nowt would surprise me when it comes to that mob!!

[Bostonhibby]

Big Hearts Community trust, their own charity is listed at around £1k. It was actually over £35k that was due to the charity from the club, but instead of giving the charity the cash, they claimed the charity owed them 'rent' for the use of office space.

Not giving the space free to "their" charity - yam class indeed.

[greenginger]

Not giving the space free to "their" charity - yam class indeed.


Charging their charity for the Council owned office space and not paying the rent to the Council !

Even more Yam Class !

[Bostonhibby]

See where your coming from BH but surely the Council will realise that if they do there would be out cry.

£100,000 (or so) in arrears prior to administration and EC do nowt yet they chase joe public for a couple of months in arrears week in week out.

I will say though that nowt would surprise me when it comes to that mob!!

:agree: you're right if the council actually care about how it looks where the yam are concerned - no real outcry this time so it might even harden their already brass necks! I think they know enough to attempt to distance themselves from the mess if and when the brown stuff hits the fan but I genuinely think they play to the yam sense of entitlement, possibly as a result of a wee bit of patronage / reflected glory going the other way? who knows.

There was a story about free use of car parking land near the ground which the yam apparently then charged others to use. The admin thread probably contains other examples of the patronage the yam enjoy but not going to go there again. Lets see what comes out about new yam and their pals on the council in dues course.

[Aldo]

:agree: you're right if the council actually care about how it looks where the yam are concerned - no real outcry this time so it might even harden their already brass necks! I think they know enough to attempt to distance themselves from the mess if and when the brown stuff hits the fan but I genuinely think they play to the yam sense of entitlement, possibly as a result of a wee bit of patronage / reflected glory going the other way? who knows. There was a story about free use of car parking land near the ground which the yam apparently then charged others to use. The admin thread probably contains other examples of the patronage the yam enjoy but not going to go there again. Lets see what comes out about new yam and their pals on the council in dues course.

Indeed.

Yip the Yams did charge folk to park on a piece land near the ground that the council had given them for free!!

Thing is they are all full of it and so far up their own ***** they don't give a flying F and are looking for the sympathy vote when it doesn't go their way!!

They will always be (in my eyes anyway) low life sleekett thieves who failed to pay their way and did joe public out of their hard earned cash!

Nuff said!!

[fat freddy]

Charging their charity for the Council owned office space and not paying the rent to the Council !

Even more Yam Class !

Surely not?! This is utterly appalling, what kind of people are they? I know it's a different regime that operates the club now but the fact that there was no outcry from their support regarding the unethical standards of the Romanov regime speaks volumes about the moral values that they share. Indeed, there are many amongst them that would still like to see a statue of Vlad erected in honour of his time at the club. They have no shame.

[Weststandwanab]

Big Hearts Community trust, their own charity is listed at around £1k. It was actually over £35k that was due to the charity from the club, but instead of giving the charity the cash, they claimed the charity owed them 'rent' for the use of office space.

If that is true surely it could be verified by as an entry in the accounts of this "Charity".


Favours will exist and a bit of looking the other way seems to be in the culture however I doubt it will be their council tax this time as it is too obvious. It will be more sleekit than that this time so as to avoid having to disclose in the way the council tax came out. At some point I can't help thinking the good taxpayers of Edinburgh will be solving their stadium problem.

If the PBS fails to renew its safety certificate -I know I know - and they refuse a deal to play at Easter Road they will end up at Livi.


See where your coming from BH but surely the Council will realise that if they do there would be out cry.

£100,000 (or so) in arrears prior to administration and EC do nowt yet they chase joe public for a couple of months in arrears week in week out.

I will say though that nowt would surprise me when it comes to that mob!!

Precisely they and their Collection Agents and their attitude is hypocrisy of the highest order

[greenginger]

Charity Accounts are not for public viewing, but there is a credit for rent charged in the BDO accounts that can only have come from their only tenant, their Charity.

[Ozyhibby]

The car park was bought by the distillery and they now let the yams use it for free along with the football pitch out the back.

[CropleyWasGod]

Charity Accounts are not for public viewing, but there is a credit for rent charged in the BDO accounts that can only have come from their only tenant, their Charity.
They are if they're a Limited Company. Indeed, many charities file accounts that are more detailed than commercial companies.

Edit. BHCT are a company. Their accounts are available for £1

[Keith_M]

The car park was bought by the distillery and they now let the yams use it for free along with the football pitch out the back.


Do they still charge other people for parking there, despite getting it for free?

[Ozyhibby]

Do they still charge other people for parking there, despite getting it for free?

Of course. They're yams.

[Weststandwanab]

A nice touch having the player in question on the bench.

I wonder what the reaction will be if he comes onto the playing field!

[Eyrie]

Charity Accounts are not for public viewing, but there is a credit for rent charged in the BDO accounts that can only have come from their only tenant, their Charity.

Charities are obliged to provide a copy of their accounts on request (even if they're not a company limited by guarantee), providing the cost of doing so is reasonable. So a photocopy and second class stamp or a pdf can be requested.

From OSCR


Charity Accounts and Constitutions

OSCR does not publish this information on the website. The public have the right to the following information under s.23 (1) (a) and (b) of the Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005 from the charity directly:
•a copy of the charity's latest statement of account
•a copy of the charity's constitution.

Please contact the charity directly to request this information.

[CropleyWasGod]

A nice touch having the player in question on the bench.

I wonder what the reaction will be if he comes onto the playing field!
The transfer window is open, so he's legal today.

[Weststandwanab]

He is but I was speculating about the reaction - from both sets of fans - to when recently he was not !

Enjoy the game.

[Jack]

Remember too the car park they charge supporters to use, or used to, was another rent free gift from the council.

[ian cruise]

Bt sport made mention to the fact he had "just" returned from loan.

[oconnors_strip]

Do they still charge other people for parking there, despite getting it for free?

Yes, the disabled fans have to pay. Away disabled fans can use it aswell

[brog]

Charities are obliged to provide a copy of their accounts on request (even if they're not a company limited by guarantee), providing the cost of doing so is reasonable. So a photocopy and second class stamp or a pdf can be requested.

From OSCR

I doubt the a/c's would show details of individual payments. Would probably require a specific question to obtain the information required.

[Springbank]

So, as things stand, Hearts have a 14 point penalty (potentially) as Livingston appear to have reported them to the SFA (5 points for the cheating plus three times 0-3 defeats for the games the cheat was fielded by the Cheats)

So we sit 5 points off top with a vastly superior footballing side, Rangers set to go top and Jonny Yam about to go a bit "turtles head"???

Marvellous! Happy New Year!!!

[Mikey]

So, as things stand, Hearts have a 14 point penalty (potentially) as Livingston appear to have reported them to the SFA (5 points for the cheating plus three times 0-3 defeats for the games the cheat was fielded by the Cheats)

So we sit 5 points off top with a vastly superior footballing side, Rangers set to go top and Jonny Yam about to go a bit "turtles head"???

Marvellous! Happy New Year!!!

Have Livi officially reported them? I'm kinda lost in all the accounts talk :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

9 pages really?

[emerald green]

So, as things stand, Hearts have a 14 point penalty (potentially) as Livingston appear to have reported them to the SFA (5 points for the cheating plus three times 0-3 defeats for the games the cheat was fielded by the Cheats)

So we sit 5 points off top with a vastly superior footballing side, Rangers set to go top and Jonny Yam about to go a bit "turtles head"???

Marvellous! Happy New Year!!!

Where and from whom did you learn this can I ask?

[Mikey]

9 pages really?

Aye, really.

[Scònaldò]

9 pages really?

Not enough gifs? :cb

[bighairyfaeleith]

According to allisbarry

SPFL say no investigation into Gary Oliver loan. Terms of loan let Hearts recall him from Stenny at any time (for those who asked).

[I'm_cabbaged]

We've really got to grow a pair of balls here. I'm sick of the big boys did it and ran away. They have, get over it, nothing will change.

[Mikey]

According to allisbarry

SPFL say no investigation into Gary Oliver loan. Terms of loan let Hearts recall him from Stenny at any time (for those who asked).

After Barry kept telling us that the Hearts shares were being sent out next month, next week, etc, I'll wait for the explanation from the person at the SPFL. It's early days and Hearts probably haven't had notification of it yet either.

[Mikey]

We've really got to grow a pair of balls here. I'm sick of the big boys did it and ran away. They have, get over it, nothing will change.

Oooooh, get you :greengrin

[I'm_cabbaged]

After Barry kept telling us that the Hearts shares were being sent out next month, next week, etc, I'll wait for the explanation from the person at the SPFL. It's early days and Hearts probably haven't had notification of it yet either.

You promised us we would never get related

[cabbageandribs1875]

You promised us we would never get related


or even relegated :confused:

[Mikey]

You promised us we would never get related

:dummytit:

[I'm_cabbaged]

or even relegated :confused:

That as well. 😀

[Hiber-nation]

We've really got to grow a pair of balls here. I'm sick of the big boys did it and ran away. They have, get over it, nothing will change.

:agree:

Hear hear.

[greenginger]

According to allisbarry

SPFL say no investigation into Gary Oliver loan. Terms of loan let Hearts recall him from Stenny at any time (for those who asked).

They might well have a clause in the loan that allows them to recall the player.

But the SPFL Rules state the transfer has to be until the opening of the transfer window.

they were within their rights to recall the player , to train with the squad and take part in practice matches, but not to play in competitive games.

The yams can have all the clauses they like in their loan deals, but none of them over-ride the SPFL rules, unless of course we all just sit back, keep quiet and let them cheat.

[bighairyfaeleith]

They might well have a clause in the loan that allows them to recall the player.

But the SPFL Rules state the transfer has to be until the opening of the transfer window.

they were within their rights to recall the player , to train with the squad and take part in practice matches, but not to play in competitive games.

The yams can have all the clauses they like in their loan deals, but none of them over-ride the SPFL rules, unless of course we all just sit back, keep quiet and let them cheat.

That was my take on it as well but my knowledge of spfl rules is pretty basic so hopefully Livi or someone else will take them to task over it.

[Jonnyboy]

9 pages really?

What's wrong? Not enough gifs?

[banarc7062]

I doubt they will take any action since Celtic won't be affected.

Aye, but their other darlings, Rangers, will be in for an unexpected windfall.:wink:

[Glesgahibby]

According to allisbarry

SPFL say no investigation into Gary Oliver loan. Terms of loan let Hearts recall him from Stenny at any time (for those who asked).
1)who from the spfl made this statement to allsbarry?
2)why would they(person/persons unknown)discuss this with allsbarry while spfl offices are closed?
3)how is it possible for any player(transferred or loaned) to play for two clubs in the same transfer window?
4)if there really was a discussion with allsbarry and spfl,it could be that the spfl haven't been made aware of the situation yet:greengrin
My take would be Barry's at the fibbing again:agree:

[Weststandwanab]

Aye, but their other darlings, Rangers, will be in for an unexpected windfall.:wink:

Spot on.

[hibees 7062]

1)who from the spfl made this statement to allsbarry?
2)why would they(person/persons unknown)discuss this with allsbarry while spfl offices are closed?
3)how is it possible for any player(transferred or loaned) to play for two clubs in the same transfer window?
4)if there really was a discussion with allsbarry and spfl,it could be that the spfl haven't been made aware of the situation yet:greengrin
My take would be Barry's at the fibbing again:agree:

Never :greengrin

[scoopyboy]

1)who from the spfl made this statement to allsbarry?
2)why would they(person/persons unknown)discuss this with allsbarry while spfl offices are closed?
3)how is it possible for any player(transferred or loaned) to play for two clubs in the same transfer window?
4)if there really was a discussion with allsbarry and spfl,it could be that the spfl haven't been made aware of the situation yet:greengrin
My take would be Barry's at the fibbing again:agree:

Your number 3) is a beauty, and one I had never really thought about. The emergency loan would be my answer but Gary Oliver was not an emergency loan.

[Billy Whizz]

Your number 3) is a beauty, and one I had never really thought about. The emergency loan would be my answer but Gary Oliver was not an emergency loan.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29019210

Scoopyboy, BBC report on point 3)

It says to 5th Jan, but he came on today. Suggests that Hearts are in the clear

[greenginger]

1)who from the spfl made this statement to allsbarry?
2)why would they(person/persons unknown)discuss this with allsbarry while spfl offices are closed?
3)how is it possible for any player(transferred or loaned) to play for two clubs in the same transfer window?
4)if there really was a discussion with allsbarry and spfl,it could be that the spfl haven't been made aware of the situation yet:greengrin
My take would be Barry's at the fibbing again:agree:


I emailed Neil Doncaster a couple of days ago about Gary Oliver playing for Hearts before his loan ended at the start of the transfer window.

I got the following email reply from the man himself.

" Thank you for your email. You will I am sure , understand that at this time of year there are a number of competing demands on the time of SPFL staff.

However I know Iain Blair is looking into the matter you refer to in your email. As soon as he is in a position to respond, I am sure he will do so "

Iain Blair is the SPFL secretary and deals with registration matters.

I think we can safely say the matter is being considered by the SPFL, obviously the more publicity the matter gets the better.

[kaimendhibs]

I don't think they are in the clear, time will tell tho

[lapsedhibee]

I emailed Neil Doncaster a couple of days ago about Gary Oliver playing for Hearts before his loan ended at the start of the transfer window.

I got the following email reply from the man himself.

" Thank you for your email. You will I am sure , understand that at this time of year there are a number of competing demands on the time of SPFL staff.

However I know Iain Blair is looking into the matter you refer to in your email. As soon as he is in a position to respond, I am sure he will do so "

Iain Blair is the SPFL secretary and deals with registration matters.

I think we can safely say the matter is being considered by the SPFL, obviously the more publicity the matter gets the better.

So allisbarry is caught with his pants on fire again, is that right?

[Jack Hackett]

So allisbarry is caught with his pants on fire again, is that right?

Same s**t, different day. :agree:

So...either Doncaster is lying...or #allisbarry is. Now there's a toss-up over a pair of tossers

[Turkish Green]

Same s**t, different day. :agree:

So...either Doncaster is lying...or #allisbarry is. Now there's a toss-up over a pair of tossers

or both are telling the truth. All Doncaster said in his response was that Ian Blair would be looking into it. Which shouldn't take him long as the contracts are lodged at Hampden.

Either the loan agreement with Stenny allowed for Oliver to be released early or it didn't. Either way Oliver coming on as sub today would suggest that the yams believe they were entitled.

[Col2]

or both are telling the truth. All Doncaster said in his response was that Ian Blair would be looking into it. Which shouldn't take him long as the contracts are lodged at Hampden.

Either the loan agreement with Stenny allowed for Oliver to be released early or it didn't. Either way Oliver coming on as sub today would suggest that the yams believe they were entitled.

I would be willing to bet the investigation won't be that he had a release clause (and therefore goes back to club to train etc) or that he could play from Jan 1st onwards, it will be more about the time he has been part of Hearts registered team selection for the 3 games in December (playing or unused sub).

[brog]

or both are telling the truth. All Doncaster said in his response was that Ian Blair would be looking into it. Which shouldn't take him long as the contracts are lodged at Hampden.

Either the loan agreement with Stenny allowed for Oliver to be released early or it didn't. Either way Oliver coming on as sub today would suggest that the yams believe they were entitled.

You've made the point about Oliver being named today twice now & your point is no more valid now than it was the first time. The window, registration period is now open, therefore Oliver ( & Boyle ) could play today. Unless Yams had a special exemption for Oliver to be returned early he could not be registered to play in games prior to today.

[greenginger]

or both are telling the truth. All Doncaster said in his response was that Ian Blair would be looking into it. Which shouldn't take him long as the contracts are lodged at Hampden.

Either the loan agreement with Stenny allowed for Oliver to be released early or it didn't. Either way Oliver coming on as sub today would suggest that the yams believe they were entitled.


The loan agreement may well have allowed early release and let the boy go back to the PBS to train with the squad and play practice games.

That does not allow him to play in competitive games which is against the SPFL rules.

http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthescottishprofessionalfootball leagueasat11september2014_1411980004.pdf

Rule 65, page 109.

If the conditions of a players contract conflict with the SPFL rules, the latter take precedent.

[emerald green]

Apologies if this has been posted already on this thread, but does anyone know when we are likely to hear the official decision / ruling on this matter?

Can you imagine the uproar if they suffer a points deduction? :party::party:

[AlbertK86]

Think the Jambos are going to have the last laugh at us clutching at straws

Original article in EEN when he went out on loan mentions he can be recalled as part of the conditions

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/gary-oliver-warrior-spirit-will-get-me-back-in-fray-1-3544119

Sorry to disappoint

[green day]

Think the Jambos are going to have the last laugh at us clutching at straws

Original article in EEN when he went out on loan mentions he can be recalled as part of the conditions

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/gary-oliver-warrior-spirit-will-get-me-back-in-fray-1-3544119

Sorry to disappoint

Indeed it seems pretty clear cut according to that - right enough, would seem rather strange if a well organised club cocked up on this scale (and I am not including Livi in this, they are a shambles top to bottom so its unsurprising they got caught out).

[emerald green]

Think the Jambos are going to have the last laugh at us clutching at straws

Original article in EEN when he went out on loan mentions he can be recalled as part of the conditions

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/gary-oliver-warrior-spirit-will-get-me-back-in-fray-1-3544119

Sorry to disappoint

The Evening Jambo article says "he can be recalled at 48 hours notice if Neilson finds himself short of strikers". What exactly does that mean? Was Neilson "short of strikers"?

BTW I won't be in the least bit surprised if they do not suffer any punishment whatsoever. I just hope they do.

[jonty]

Think the Jambos are going to have the last laugh at us clutching at straws

Original article in EEN when he went out on loan mentions he can be recalled as part of the conditions

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/gary-oliver-warrior-spirit-will-get-me-back-in-fray-1-3544119

Sorry to disappoint

which would indicate an emergency transfer/loan cancellation however that still needs SFL/SPFL approval.
A player needs to be registered - he cant pop up for a game wherever he likes.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

The Evening Jambo article says "he can be recalled at 48 hours notice if Neilson finds himself short of strikers". What exactly does that mean? Was Neilson "short of strikers"?

BTW I won't be in the least bit surprised if they do not suffer any punishment whatsoever. I just hope they do.

Sow is out injured is he not?

[Famous Fiver]

No emergency. No application made.

Cut and dried. Guilty as charged.

Over to you SPFL.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I don't think this issue is recalling him. It's the fact he's played for two teams during the period between transfer windows.

[Glesgahibby]

I don't think this issue is recalling him. It's the fact he's played for two teams during the period between transfer windows.
He was training with hearts three days a week while on loan.
He could be recalled at 48hours notice.
he had a clause on his loan agreement.
all of the above come from the EEN.
none of this makes any sense,why don't all clubs do this to safeguard themselves if these quotes are true???????

[HoboHarry]

He was training with hearts three days a week while on loan.
He could be recalled at 48hours notice.
he had a clause on his loan agreement.
all of the above come from the EEN.
none of this makes any sense,why don't all clubs do this to safeguard themselves if these quotes are true???????
I would have thought that, as Green Ginger stated earlier, it doesn't matter what clauses are written in to an agreement. The League rules supersede .... I really hope they are in the s**t....

[Oscar T Grouch]

He was training with hearts three days a week while on loan.
He could be recalled at 48hours notice.
he had a clause on his loan agreement.
all of the above come from the EEN.
none of this makes any sense,why don't all clubs do this to safeguard themselves if these quotes are true???????

I develop narcolepsy when looking at these sort of things.
I think someone with a bit more knowledge would need to answer that one. The way I read it a play cannot play for two teams without special dispensation from the SPFL, but the rules are open to interpretation.

[Turkish Green]

I don't think this issue is recalling him. It's the fact he's played for two teams during the period between transfer windows.

the ruling is that a player cannot play for two teams ON LOAN during the period between windows. Or at least that is how I read it.

[Oscar T Grouch]

the ruling is that a player cannot play for two teams ON LOAN during the period between windows. Or at least that is how I read it.

That makes sense. I don't think anything will cme of this. But if they do get done I will laugh my ass off.

[Glesgahibby]

[QUOTE=vince1973;4265268]I develop narcolepsy when looking at these sort of things.
I think someone with a bit more knowledge would need to answer that one. The way I read it a play cannot play for two teams without SPECIAL DISPENSATION from the SPFL, but the rules are open to interpretation.[/QUOTE
if the EENs discription(dated September)of the loan agreement is accurate then SPECIAL DISPENTATION must have been granted from the start of the loan:confused:
That makes no sense if you look at the rules.
Someone,somewhere from the EEN,the SPFL or the yams is reeking,or all three:greengrin

[Turkish Green]

That makes sense. I don't think anything will cme of this. But if they do get done I will laugh my ass off.

personally I think there is nothing in it and is just mischief making by some elves. But should they be deducted points our asses will be laughing in stereo.

what-a mistake-a to make-a.

[Dashing Bob S]

personally I think there is nothing in it and is just mischief making by some elves. But should they be deducted points our asses will be laughing in stereo.

what-a mistake-a to make-a.

Agreed. Don't get all this 'clutching at straws' nonsense. It's no skin of my nose what happens to those maggots. If they were stupid enough to break the rules and be deducted points, however, I'd be laughing chocolate biscuits. All bonus ball stuff.

[Jack]

He was training with hearts three days a week while on loan.
He could be recalled at 48hours notice.
he had a clause on his loan agreement.
all of the above come from the EEN.
none of this makes any sense,why don't all clubs do this to safeguard themselves if these quotes are true???????

If the EEN had even a shred of integrity left I might be inclined to consider what they say as a possibility.

Given their track record, particularly with regard to them, it's more likely to be a lie.

[Keith_M]

No emergency. No application made.

Cut and dried. Guilty as charged.

Over to you SPFL.

...and the result will be -- No Punishment Necessary.

We've seen all this before from them and they get off with everything.

The Media and their Supporters are now even painting them as a model of fiscal responsibility and a great example of bringing through young talent instead of squandering large sums on over-rated foriegners. This after 8 years of being a bad example, which is now painted out of history.

I'm not getting my hopes up that they get their come-uppance anytime soon.

[IFONLY]

...and the result will be -- No Punishment Necessary.

We've seen all this before from them and they get off with everything.

The Media and their Supporters are now even painting them as a model of fiscal responsibility and a great example of bringing through young talent instead of squandering large sums on over-rated foriegners. This after 8 years of being a bad example, which is now painted out of history.

I'm not getting my hopes up that they get their come-uppance anytime soon.

Have to agree with this, they are at the moment the darlings of Scottish football for the reasons stated above. Even if found guilty there will probably be given a slap on the wrists or a paltry fine.

[brog]

If the EEN had even a shred of integrity left I might be inclined to consider what they say as a possibility.

Given their track record, particularly with regard to them, it's more likely to be a lie.

They're probably just parroting what's being fed to them by Yams & Craig Levein would never lie, would he!:wink:

[Cropley10]

Playing devil's advocate here, does that not just mean that the term which is initially agreed between the clubs needs to be at least until the next transfer window period? It doesn't mention that the player can't be recalled by the parent club.


Seems pretty cut and dried to me....


76. Subject to Regulation 81, the term of a temporary transfer of a Player to a Club must be at least until the first day of the immediately succeeding Registration Period.

....Regulation 81 refers to emergency goalkeepers, which is irrelevant in this case. Looks like they're screwed to me :lolyam:

Anyone know if we've inserted the magic clause that means we can recall Alex Harris at any stage and then just play him in our games? :wink:

[Glorious St Pat]

Anyone know if we've inserted the magic clause that means we can recall Alex Harris at any stage and then just play him in our games? :wink:

Has anyone notified Dempster or anyone at the club to investigate - sporting integrity and all that?

If not.... Get emailing en masse

[emerald green]

What's the latest on this? Deafening silence presumably means it's not going to happen? :boo hoo:

[jonty]

What's the latest on this? Deafening silence presumably means it's not going to happen? :boo hoo:

If its all gone quiet, then I guess all the other clubs will be wondering why they've not done this before.

[Bostonhibby]

What's the latest on this? Deafening silence presumably means it's not going to happen? :boo hoo:

All hands to the SPFL pump this week as they have to prepare for the crucifixion of Jason Cummings? Rules are rules after all:wink:

[Keith_M]

What's the latest on this? Deafening silence presumably means it's not going to happen? :boo hoo:


I don't think the OP thought at any time that Hearts had done anything seriously wrong (not on the level of dumping debts or signing paedophiles, anyway) and needed punished, it was just an opportunity to get their Fans knickers in a twist.

The most likley outcome of this was that nothing would actually be done and that's exactly what's happened.

[Pete]

Enough of this pussyfooting about with the monkeys.

Does anyone have Sepp's email address handy?

[greenginger]

I don't think the OP thought at any time that Hearts had done anything seriously wrong (not on the level of dumping debts or signing paedophiles, anyway) and needed punished, it was just an opportunity to get their Fans knickers in a twist.

The most likley outcome of this was that nothing would actually be done and that's exactly what's happened.


I have sent two emails, one to the SPFL and one to the SFA outlining their own regulations on the matter and asking for an explanation as to the actions taken by the authorities.

No reply as yet, will leave it to Monday , then do some more stirring !

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I have sent two emails, one to the SPFL and one to the SFA outlining their own regulations on the matter and asking for an explanation as to the actions taken by the authorities.

No reply as yet, will leave it to Monday , then do some more stirring !

Was the thread not started as a bit of a wind up? You're taking it a bit too seriously are you not? :confused:

[greenginger]

Was the thread not started as a bit of a wind up? You're taking it a bit too seriously are you not? :confused:


Do you think the football authorities should just be allowed to change the rules as it suits them and certain other club.

I don't, but it does not mean I am taking it seriously, just having a bit of fun.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

As long as you are happy.

[Waxy]

Will that old stand survive this storm?

[Siralbertkidd]

I have sent two emails, one to the SPFL and one to the SFA outlining their own regulations on the matter and asking for an explanation as to the actions taken by the authorities.

No reply as yet, will leave it to Monday , then do some more stirring !

Any joy yesterday mate?

[greenginger]

Any joy yesterday mate?


Email reminder sent on Sunday, no response, private and personal letter to Stewart Regan asking why no response, typed and ready for posting if I hear nothing today.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Email reminder sent on Sunday, no response, private and personal letter to Stewart Regan asking why no response, typed and ready for posting if I hear nothing today.

Hello sydney :wink:

[Golden Bear]

I have sent two emails, one to the SPFL and one to the SFA outlining their own regulations on the matter and asking for an explanation as to the actions taken by the authorities.

No reply as yet, will leave it to Monday , then do some more stirring !

You should forward a copy to Livingston FC as I'm sure they'll have a vested interest in the outcome - whatever that may be!

[Craig_HFC]

Jesus Christ.

:rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

Jesus Christ.

:rolleyes:

No.... he hung about for a while, went AWOL for a few days, and then went back to his original club.

Think that was allowed under the SPFL rules.

[Golden Bear]

Jesus Christ.

:rolleyes:

Yes my Son?

[southsider]

Jesus Christ.

:rolleyes:

Well my son, that's three Hail Mary's and two Our Father's for taking my name in Vain.

[Eyrie]

No.... he hung about for a while, went AWOL for a few days, and then went back to his original club.

Think that was allowed under the SPFL rules.

:top marks

[Glesgahibby]

Email reminder sent on Sunday, no response, private and personal letter to Stewart Regan asking why no response, typed and ready for posting if I hear nothing today.
Good luck GG.
so many differing statements from the EEN and hearts themselves regarding this that make out the player could return whenever hearts wanted.
the only rule according to spfl/SFA rule book that could apply is an emergency recall,for this to have happened hearts would have to apply for emergency cover.
I'm sure if no wrong has been done then mr regan or whoever will explain in full,one day:confused:

[brog]

Good luck GG.
so many differing statements from the EEN and hearts themselves regarding this that make out the player could return whenever hearts wanted.
the only rule according to spfl/SFA rule book that could apply is an emergency recall,for this to have happened hearts would have to apply for emergency cover.
I'm sure if no wrong has been done then mr regan or whoever will explain in full,one day:confused:

Yam's application for the emergency cover is in the file next to the details of Danny Wilson's suspension! It's another cock-up & ranks being closed as usual to avoid embarrassment. Good luck GG!

[Danderhall Hibs]

This will get chucked into the same pile as Danny Wilson's "suspension" did.

[gordieboy]

This thread is getting embarrassing please close mods,sending emails to the higher archy,look where it got us last time nothing but egg on our chins and laughed at by the media and other supporters.The Yams still survived.Im sure if there was any wrong doing which I expected not we would have heard by now.I am ashamed by some our supporters the way act on this forum.Shoot me down if im wrong and the Yams are guilty and lose 9 points,were still not going to catch them and they probably still win the league.

[gordieboy]

The punishment for fielding ineligible players is set is it not? It's a 3-0 victory for the other team.
It guilt that needs to be established here.

Peterhead were found guilty recently for something similar against Ayr Utd and have been told to replay the game.

[Mikey09]

Think some yams are getting a wee bit distressed because of this....

[gordieboy]

Think some yams are getting a wee bit distressed because of this....

You calling me a Yam i've been a Hibs supporter since I was 12 now im 42,so don't insult my intelligence.

[Aldo]

This thread is getting embarrassing please close mods,sending emails to the higher archy,look where it got us last time nothing but egg on our chins and laughed at by the media and other supporters.The Yams still survived.Im sure if there was any wrong doing which I expected not we would have heard by now.I am ashamed by some our supporters the way act on this forum.Shoot me down if im wrong and the Yams are guilty and lose 9 points,were still not going to catch them and they probably still win the league.

If someone wants to go out of their way and send a couple of emails to the powers that be pointing out infractions by our rivals, who have previous for being robbing cheating bassa's, then it's okay with me.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained IMHO.

And ashamed WHY!!

If your ashamed/embarrassed at that then I wouldn't bother reading much more and wasting your time on .net!!

O and regardless of what others do it once again points out their at it again (cheating) to gain an advantage over their rivals in the league!! (If that's what they've done, like the Wilson scenario)

It's as simple as that!!

[SteveHFC]

If someone wants to go out of their way and send a couple of emails to the powers that be pointing out infractions by our rivals, who have previous for being robbing cheating bassa's, then it's okay with me.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained IMHO.

And ashamed WHY!!

If your ashamed/embarrassed at that then I wouldn't bother reading much more and wasting your time on .net!!

O and regardless of what others do it once again points out their at it again (cheating) to gain an advantage over their rivals in the league!! (If that's what they've done, like the Wilson scenario)

It's as simple as that!!

He does have a point mate. :agree::duck:

[Aldo]

He does have a point mate. :agree::duck:

Point???


I stick by my comments!!

[bighairyfaeleith]

You calling me a Yam i've been a Hibs supporter since I was 12 now im 42,so don't insult my intelligence.

member for four years and 3 of your 25 posts on those years are on this thread, telling folks to leave the hearts alone. Does look a bit suss I'm afraid. I'm sure your not but I can see why someone might jump to that conclusion.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I'm of the opinion that all authorities and powers that be should be poked, prodded and tested at ever opertunity. I find this thread highly amusing and I think GG is entitled to do what he is doing. If someone finds those actions embarrassing then that really is their problem, not this threads or anyone elses. The Footballing authorities in this country are corrupt, like most football authorities throughout the world. They all need to be brought to task and made to answer questions by the fans of the game. FFS look at the worlds governing body of the sport, you won't find a more corrupt institution anywhere else on the planet, a villianous hive of thieves and cheats. I say good on GG for getting his teeth into this. I doubt anything will come of it, but it is good to make the authorities answer questions as to why rules seem to have been ignored.

[Glesgahibby]

This thread is getting embarrassing please close mods,sending emails to the higher archy,look where it got us last time nothing but egg on our chins and laughed at by the media and other supporters.The Yams still survived.Im sure if there was any wrong doing which I expected not we would have heard by now.I am ashamed by some our supporters the way act on this forum.Shoot me down if im wrong and the Yams are guilty and lose 9 points,were still not going to catch them and they probably still win the league.
It really is quite simple!!!
1)if it's all above board?then the SFA are obliged to explain why!!
2)if it's all above board?then other teams have the right to know how they can recall players before a window,if they want to?
Are you suggesting no one has the right to ask for an answer?
Are you suggesting that the SFA/SPFL,the media and hearts don't have previous for pulling the wool over people's eyes?
Do you know why this player was able to be recalled?

[Mr White]

member for four years and 3 of your 25 posts on those years are on this thread, telling folks to leave the hearts alone. Does look a bit suss I'm afraid. I'm sure your not but I can see why someone might jump to that conclusion.
Hullo hullo his name is gordieboy....

[steakbake]

Where is Sidney when you need him? He'd have this wrapped up by now.

[Ronniekirk]

Hullo hullo his name is gordieboy....

he should just come out and called himself Gorgieboy. Transparancy is there for all to see in the posts .

[Aldo]

he should just come out and called himself Gorgieboy. Transparancy is there for all to see in the posts .

Indeed Ronnie indeed.

He's (or maybe she) has gone quite!!

[Ronniekirk]

Indeed Ronnie indeed.

He's (or maybe she) has gone quite!!

Might be an elaborate rouse but if a female they might have opted for gordiegirl 'but who knows how they think across the great divide .:confused:

[Aldo]

Might be an elaborate rouse but if a female they might have opted for gordiegirl 'but who knows how they think across the great divide .:confused:

Can never be too sure these days Ronnie so I thought I would cover the bases just incase.

[lapsedhibee]

Hullo hullo his name is gordieboy....

Also chose an ex-Hearts player as avatar. :hmmm:

[Mikey09]

You calling me a Yam i've been a Hibs supporter since I was 12 now im 42,so don't insult my intelligence.


Nope. Was just suggesting that some yams are getting a bit distressed what GG is doing. My yam mates, kickback has a thread about it etc. Nae need to get so defensive....

[Jack Hackett]

he should just come out and called himself Gorgieboy. Transparancy is there for all to see in the posts .

I think all suspected yams should be given the concrete boot test....chuck them in the Forth, and if they come up smelling of roses, it's a fair cop guvnor :greengrin

[jacomo]

This thread is getting embarrassing please close mods,sending emails to the higher archy,look where it got us last time nothing but egg on our chins and laughed at by the media and other supporters.The Yams still survived.Im sure if there was any wrong doing which I expected not we would have heard by now.I am ashamed by some our supporters the way act on this forum.Shoot me down if im wrong and the Yams are guilty and lose 9 points,were still not going to catch them and they probably still win the league.

I smell panic...

[Pete]

You email the higher Archy

I'll email the lower Archy.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

You email the higher Archy

I'll email the lower Archy.

I'll email An Archy :cb

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

As it used to say in the Victor and Warlord annuals in the early 80's, "strewth", that is all.

[Springbank]

As a sports fan, you want/need to know the sport has integrity and isn't rigged.
Hibs don't need to be the beneficiaries for that universal truth to be upheld
Well done to the supporters who are helping to keep the sport, our national game, in clean hands

I applauded when Juventus were punished after the Calciopoli process, as sporting integrity was being upheld

Hibs didn't need to benefit for me to be happy as there are some things bigger than self interest

This hearts loan recall stinks

Keep us posted on replies

[greenginger]

As a sports fan, you want/need to know the sport has integrity and isn't rigged.
Hibs don't need to be the beneficiaries for that universal truth to be upheld
Well done to the supporters who are helping to keep the sport, our national game, in clean hands

I applauded when Juventus were punished after the Calciopoli process, as sporting integrity was being upheld

Hibs didn't need to benefit for me to be happy as there are some things bigger than self interest

This hearts loan recall stinks

Keep us posted on replies



Will do, no response from SFA to 2 emails. Sent letter yesterday, addressed to Stewart Regan asking why his organisation refuses to respond to my query .

I don't give up. :greengrin

[Geo_1875]

As a sports fan, you want/need to know the sport has integrity and isn't rigged.
Hibs don't need to be the beneficiaries for that universal truth to be upheld
Well done to the supporters who are helping to keep the sport, our national game, in clean hands

I applauded when Juventus were punished after the Calciopoli process, as sporting integrity was being upheld

Hibs didn't need to benefit for me to be happy as there are some things bigger than self interest

This hearts loan recall stinks

Keep us posted on replies

The loan recall may not necessarily stink but the authorities silence does.

[lyonhibs]

This has a faint whiff of desperation about it.

If they'd broken the rules and could be proven to have done so, they'd have been charged by now, no?

[greenginger]

Got a reply from Sandy Bryson , head of Registrations at SFA and I've got to say , I don't know if I am dealing with an idiot or he thinks I am an idiot to accept his explanation of the way the loan termination rules work.

Firstly we have been using last years SFA hand book to quote rule numbers. The rules are the same but here is the new rule book for 2014-15.


http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFAPublications2014-15/Handbook%202014-15..pdf


The rules concerning temporary transfers are 6.3.1 - 6.3.6 on pages 205-206.

Mr Bryson's explanation was simply there was a clause in Gary Oliver's temporary loan allowing early termination so the player was returned to his parent club on 19th December.

No mention that it was outwith the transfer window, and dispensation must be sought as per rule 6.3.6 which refers to rule 3.5 on page 203 -04 ( it reads the same as rule 1.4 of the previous regs. and requires " exceptional circumstances " and " Board Approval " to re-register outwith the transfer window )

Further email to Mr Bryson being composed.

[Future17]

This has a faint whiff of desperation about it.

If they'd broken the rules and could be proven to have done so, they'd have been charged by now, no?

This has a faint whiff of trusting the SFA about it...surely not?


Got a reply from Sandy Bryson , head of Registrations at SFA and I've got to say , I don't know if I am dealing with an idiot or he thinks I am an idiot to accept his explanation of the way the loan termination rules work.

Firstly we have been using last years SFA hand book to quote rule numbers. The rules are the same but here is the new rule book for 2014-15.


http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFAPublications2014-15/Handbook%202014-15..pdf


The rules concerning temporary transfers are 6.3.1 - 6.3.6 on pages 205-206.

Mr Bryson's explanation was simply there was a clause in Gary Oliver's temporary loan allowing early termination so the player was returned to his parent club on 19th December.

No mention that it was outwith the transfer window, and dispensation must be sought as per rule 6.3.6 which refers to rule 3.5 on page 203 -04 ( it reads the same as rule 1.4 of the previous regs. and requires " exceptional circumstances " and " Board Approval " to re-register outwith the transfer window )

Further email to Mr Bryson being composed.

Good on you mate - if nothing else, we can get some clarity as to how the rules are implemented for future reference. :aok:

[Aldo]

I smell panic...

Nah he cannae smell cos his head is firmly in the sand.

Funny how Gordie hasn't been back on since posting!!

Must be a better read over the road!!

[Glesgahibby]

Got a reply from Sandy Bryson , head of Registrations at SFA and I've got to say , I don't know if I am dealing with an idiot or he thinks I am an idiot to accept his explanation of the way the loan termination rules work.

Firstly we have been using last years SFA hand book to quote rule numbers. The rules are the same but here is the new rule book for 2014-15.


http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFAPublications2014-15/Handbook%202014-15..pdf


The rules concerning temporary transfers are 6.3.1 - 6.3.6 on pages 205-206.

Mr Bryson's explanation was simply there was a clause in Gary Oliver's temporary loan allowing early termination so the player was returned to his parent club on 19th December.

No mention that it was outwith the transfer window, and dispensation must be sought as per rule 6.3.6 which refers to rule 3.5 on page 203 -04 ( it reads the same as rule 1.4 of the previous regs. and requires " exceptional circumstances " and " Board Approval " to re-register outwith the transfer window )

Further email to Mr Bryson being composed.
"OUTWITH THE TRANSFER WINDOW" is the main issue!!
any clauses or agreements between clubs doesn't come into it!!
well done GG:wink:
sounds like this guy is trying to fob you off.
For those who mock this thread,do any of you know why this lad was allowed to play for two clubs between two transfer windows??????

[SMAXXA]

Got a reply from Sandy Bryson , head of Registrations at SFA and I've got to say , I don't know if I am dealing with an idiot or he thinks I am an idiot to accept his explanation of the way the loan termination rules work.

Firstly we have been using last years SFA hand book to quote rule numbers. The rules are the same but here is the new rule book for 2014-15.


http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFAPublications2014-15/Handbook%202014-15..pdf


The rules concerning temporary transfers are 6.3.1 - 6.3.6 on pages 205-206.

Mr Bryson's explanation was simply there was a clause in Gary Oliver's temporary loan allowing early termination so the player was returned to his parent club on 19th December.

No mention that it was outwith the transfer window, and dispensation must be sought as per rule 6.3.6 which refers to rule 3.5 on page 203 -04 ( it reads the same as rule 1.4 of the previous regs. and requires " exceptional circumstances " and " Board Approval " to re-register outwith the transfer window )

Further email to Mr Bryson being composed.

Sandy Bryson is the epitome of what's rotten and out if date in Scottish football, the man is a buffoon. Just as the junior guy Tom Johnston is as bad.

[wills]

Has anyone tried to contact the media, the Daily Hun rather than EEN

[Pete]

Must be a better read over the road!!

It's not. It's just that one guy who changes his username every week waffling on again.

[Aldo]

It's not. It's just that one guy who changes his username every week waffling on again.

Ha ha. ;-)

[greenginger]

I emailed Mr Bryson at the SFA referring him to the clause 6.3.6 which requires exceptional circumstances and Board approval for the re-registration of players outwith the transfer window.

I got a reply pretty quick.

" Specific Board approval was not sought/required as for a number of years it has been the custom and practice for such matters to be derogated to the administration given the frequency with which they occur. "


I have emailed him back asking what special circumstances applied to this case as Hearts have over 30 outfield players and only 3 or 4 injuries.

[brog]

I emailed Mr Bryson at the SFA referring him to the clause 6.3.6 which requires exceptional circumstances and Board approval for the re-registration of players outwith the transfer window.

I got a reply pretty quick.

" Specific Board approval was not sought/required as for a number of years it has been the custom and practice for such matters to be derogated to the administration given the frequency with which they occur. "


I have emailed him back asking what special circumstances applied to this case as Hearts have over 30 outfield players and only 3 or 4 injuries.

So effectively he's saying that their own rules are routinely ignored & therefore it's ok!!?? Welcome to the wonderful world of Scottish Football!

[JimBHibees]

So effectively he's saying that their own rules are routinely ignored & therefore it's ok!!?? Welcome to the wonderful world of Scottish Football!

What a dreadful response from the Sfa. Sounds totally made up. Given they have rewritten the rules recently why has this particular one not been changed to reflect the apparent routine practice of ignoring the rule.

[Aldo]

So effectively he's saying that their own rules are routinely ignored & therefore it's ok!!?? Welcome to the wonderful world of Scottish Football!

They are playing a very dangerous game and making a rod for their own backs.

Back to the old scenario by the looks of it..... It's okay for certain teams to do what they want but not for others.

What is the point of rules when the powers that spare suppose to police them don't know what they are doing.

Total and utter shambles of an organisation.

[Springbank]

I emailed Mr Bryson at the SFA referring him to the clause 6.3.6 which requires exceptional circumstances and Board approval for the re-registration of players outwith the transfer window.

I got a reply pretty quick.

" Specific Board approval was not sought/required as for a number of years it has been the custom and practice for such matters to be derogated to the administration given the frequency with which they occur. "


I have emailed him back asking what special circumstances applied to this case as Hearts have over 30 outfield players and only 3 or 4 injuries.

This is beginning to look like a smoking gun
you wonder what the compliance officer's view is of his colleague's reply

[grunt]

I don't understand the use of the word "derogated" in this context. What does "derogated to the administration" mean? Who or what is the administration?

So does this mean there are some rules which due to custom and practice don't apply? Is there a list of such rules? It would be helpful to know.

[lapsedhibee]

I don't understand the use of the word "derogated" in this context. What does "derogated to the administration" mean? Who or what is the administration?


I guess it means that the issue's dealt with by the typing pool, rather than the head honchos. :dunno:

[Ronniekirk]

I guess it means that the issue's dealt with by the typing pool, rather than the head honchos. :dunno:
I haven't heard the word typing pool for years ,takes me back to thev70 s when Iworked as a Clerk and as a young lad the highlight of the day was taking tapes from Dictaphones to the Typing Pool and it was full of lovely woman .

[Ronniekirk]

This is beginning to look like a smoking gun
you wonder what the compliance officer's view is of his colleague's reply

If custom and practice have been allowed to slip in here member clubs are not adhering to certain rulesv then those rules should be revised and updated.Its sloppy administration ,but by admitting that they can hardly now take a strong line with Hearts on the issue

[Ronniekirk]

I don't understand the use of the word "derogated" in this context. What does "derogated to the administration" mean? Who or what is the administration?

So does this mean there are some rules which due to custom and practice don't apply? Is there a list of such rules? It would be helpful to know.
Means some wee pen pusher sitting somewhere in the admistrative system they have at the SFA is allowe to Deviate from set rules .
But begs the question how does that person know which rules they can deviate from if it's not written down somewhere Also how does it become known that clubs area by custom and practice just ignoring the rules laid out and how would the clubs know that is the casei

[lord bunberry]

Means some wee pen pusher sitting somewhere in the admistrative system they have at the SFA is allowe to Deviate from set rules .
But begs the question how does that person know which rules they can deviate from if it's not written down somewhere Also how does it become known that clubs area by custom and practice just ignoring the rules laid out and how would the clubs know that is the casei

I wonder how Livingston feel about certain rules being ignored. It feels to me like certain clubs get punished if the sfa don't like who's in charge of them.

[Glesgahibby]

I emailed Mr Bryson at the SFA referring him to the clause 6.3.6 which requires exceptional circumstances and Board approval for the re-registration of players outwith the transfer window.

I got a reply pretty quick.

" Specific Board approval was not sought/required as for a number of years it has been the custom and practice for such matters to be derogated to the administration given the frequency with which they occur. "


I have emailed him back asking what special circumstances applied to this case as Hearts have over 30 outfield players and only 3 or 4 injuries.
Oh dear:greengrin
"CUSTOM and PRACTICE" = make it up as we go along(ignore our own rules when we feel like it)
"FREQUENCY WITH WHICH THEY OCCUR"= we don't get caught out that often.

[Bostonhibby]

Oh dear:greengrin
"CUSTOM and PRACTICE" = make it up as we go along(ignore our own rules when we feel like it)
"FREQUENCY WITH WHICH THEY OCCUR"= we don't get caught out that often.
Agree, not in the least surprised that this inward looking self-serving irrelevance of an organisation treats it's own rules with the same indifference as it treats concerned fans. Indifference or contempt?

[greenginger]

Yeah , derogate :confused: had to look that one up. I thought it first was a mis-type for delegate, but the word can mean " taking from " ie taking from the Board . It can also mean Degenerate !


The " frequency which they occur " is another bit that confuses me. This break clause in loans and re-registering players is all brand new, in fact Oliver is the very first I think, so the ground rules really had to be set by the Board and maybe followed by guys like Bryson after precedents had been set.

I will wait and see if I get a response from Bryson regarding the exceptional circumstances and then write to Stewart Regan again, to see if he was aware of the re-registration.

[greenginger]

On a slightly different track, this £ 250,000 fine the Govan mob are contesting,


http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/rangers/306533-rangers-to-take-ebt-fine-to-arbitration-as-scottish-fa-rule-against-club/

It was, IIRC , for paying players through their EBT agreement and not being recorded on their Playing Contracts.

When Vlad was running the show at the PBS and players were getting tax free money with dodgy loan deals via F C Kaunas, was there any questions asked if all the Yam players salaries were on their SFA recorded contracts ?

If not , it seems only fair to our Govan friends that this matter is investigated as well. :greengrin

[Alfred E Newman]

I don't understand the use of the word "derogated" in this context. What does "derogated to the administration" mean? Who or what is the administration?

So does this mean there are some rules which due to custom and practice don't apply? Is there a list of such rules? It would be helpful to know.

I think it means if you are Celtic , Rangers or an institution like Hearts you can get away with murder but they will come down on wee clubs like us, Elgin , Brechin etc like a ton of bricks.

[jacomo]

Yeah , derogate :confused: had to look that one up. I thought it first was a mis-type for delegate, but the word can mean " taking from " ie taking from the Board . It can also mean Degenerate !


The " frequency which they occur " is another bit that confuses me. This break clause in loans and re-registering players is all brand new, in fact Oliver is the very first I think, so the ground rules really had to be set by the Board and maybe followed by guys like Bryson after precedents had been set.

I will wait and see if I get a response from Bryson regarding the exceptional circumstances and then write to Stewart Regan again, to see if he was aware of the re-registration.

Whether the paperwork was handled by the Board or a flunky is a side issue - let's see the paperwork!

[greenginger]

Still no response from Bryson at the SFA. No surprise there.

I phoned Geoge Craig at Easter Road, to get his take on registration matters.

He knew of the controversy of Gary Oliver playing before the window, about the replay Peterhead were ordered to have, and also said our Rod was aware of the situation.

Next move , letter to Stewart Regan requesting full explanation , copied to Mr Petrie at Easter Road.:stirrer:

[AinsterHibs]

Still no response from Bryson at the SFA. No surprise there.

I phoned Geoge Craig at Easter Road, to get his take on registration matters.

He knew of the controversy of Gary Oliver playing before the window, about the replay Peterhead were ordered to have, and also said our Rod was aware of the situation.

Next move , letter to Stewart Regan requesting full explanation , copied to Mr Petrie at Easter Road.:stirrer:

This may go on forever, or be swept under - all I want is clarity for any future issues.:aok:

[jacomo]

Still no response from Bryson at the SFA. No surprise there.

I phoned Geoge Craig at Easter Road, to get his take on registration matters.

He knew of the controversy of Gary Oliver playing before the window, about the replay Peterhead were ordered to have, and also said our Rod was aware of the situation.

Next move , letter to Stewart Regan requesting full explanation , copied to Mr Petrie at Easter Road.:stirrer:

On you go. The conflicting messages you are getting suggest there might well be something in this.

Was special permission required for Hearts to bring the player back early? If so, let's see it.

[Kato]

Sounds totally made up.

Never. :sarcasticsmiley:

[Turkish Green]

On a slightly different track, this £ 250,000 fine the Govan mob are contesting,


http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/rangers/306533-rangers-to-take-ebt-fine-to-arbitration-as-scottish-fa-rule-against-club/

It was, IIRC , for paying players through their EBT agreement and not being recorded on their Playing Contracts.

When Vlad was running the show at the PBS and players were getting tax free money with dodgy loan deals via F C Kaunas, was there any questions asked if all the Yam players salaries were on their SFA recorded contracts ?

If not , it seems only fair to our Govan friends that this matter is investigated as well. :greengrin

If I remember correctly: the Yams adopted the EBT payment method when Campbell Ogilvie was CEO. The argument from them to HMRC back then was that most of their players were not being paid enough to qualify for a EBt.

[Glesgahibby]

Still no response from Bryson at the SFA. No surprise there.

I phoned Geoge Craig at Easter Road, to get his take on registration matters.

He knew of the controversy of Gary Oliver playing before the window, about the replay Peterhead were ordered to have, and also said our Rod was aware of the situation.

Next move , letter to Stewart Regan requesting full explanation , copied to Mr Petrie at Easter Road.:stirrer:
A few friends(rangers minded)approached me over the weekend regarding this matter.
i told them of the replys you received from mr Bryson,there away to check the rules and get up to speed:greengrin

[greenginger]

A few friends(rangers minded)approached me over the weekend regarding this matter.
i told them of the replys you received from mr Bryson,there away to check the rules and get up to speed:greengrin


Tell them it is the SFA rules rather than the SPFL rules . The SFA rules 6.3.4, 6.3.5, and 6.3.6 can not be more clear or unambiguous .

[Glesgahibby]

Tell them it is the SFA rules rather than the SPFL rules . The SFA rules 6.3.4, 6.3.5, and 6.3.6 can not be more clear or unambiguous .
Cheers mate:aok:

[Springbank]

Tell them it is the SFA rules rather than the SPFL rules . The SFA rules 6.3.4, 6.3.5, and 6.3.6 can not be more clear or unambiguous .

Good on you - and for anyone looking to understand why it's good to see the rules upheld (as opposed to being bent at officers' discretion depending on the high volume of times it crops up) are we to assume that if loads of people who failed to pass the fit and proper person test were looking to take over a club (say one that is currently second in the Championship), should the governing body approach this matter either as :
(1) this is an important rule that is in place for good reason, for the good of the game;
or
(2) this is a rule we can overlook with discretion because it's basically always cropping up and we haven't got enough staff time to administer it?

I suspect it's (1) all the way.

So if it's (1) all the way for one rule, why on earth would it ever be (2) for any other rule?

The rulebook exists for a reason...to protect football and maintain its integrity.

[Aldo]

Tell them it is the SFA rules rather than the SPFL rules . The SFA rules 6.3.4, 6.3.5, and 6.3.6 can not be more clear or unambiguous .

You better watch out GG..... Posting this embarrasses a certain poster (New member) and he doesn't take to being embarrassed!! ;-)

PS well done you......... Keep up the good work.

[greenginger]

Wrote to Stewart Regan yesterday to express my dissatisfaction with the answers to my queries about the Gary Oliver re-registration.

He has obviously had words with Sandy Bryson who emailed this afternoon. ( twice )

Firstly, he waffled about online registration and that the rules for temporary transfers had not changed , but it was the custom and practice for these matters to be dealt with by the administration. Also the wording of the rules were going to be changed to reflect the current working practice.
He also added " rest assured all clubs have been treated in the same manner by the SFA ".

Not to be fobbed off, I fired off another email saying I have yet to have an explanation as to the " exceptional Circumstances " applying to this re-registration, and that Peterhead F C might disagree with his statement about all clubs being treated the same.

Fair do's to Mr Bryson, he replied with an hour. This time he says the administration deals with those matters because of .....

" the frequency with which loan deals expire during the closed window period "

Does anyone know any other loan deals that have expired out with the transfer window. ( Except of course the Hearts goalie )

He also adds that as it is now the norm ....

" we will be looking to change the wording of this rule from " exceptional circumstances " to reflect working practice of several
years"

I copied my letter to Stewart Regan to Rod Petrie, but whether he will do anything is anybodies guess. I suppose it is down to how much of Bryson's guff is down-right lies.

[grunt]

We had a rule but Hearts didn't like it, so we let them get away with it and now we're going to change the rule. You couldn't make it up.

[Fishwicke]

Yes, looks like the old custom and practise ploy. Used it myself over the years before retiring. Doesn't make it right though.

[lyonhibs]

Suppose we should just get back to the grind of daily life life now that Hearts aren't getting garrotted for bringing a 19 year old off the bench a couple of times when maybe (or maybe not) they weren't supposed to.

How many of us were bemoaning a lack of common sense/"spirit of the game" when Celtc sneaked through because the team they played (I forget who) brought an ineligible player on for about 8 minutes when the game was done and dusted?

I suspect a fair few.

Although there is a distinct reek of "don't properly know our own rule book" from the SFA here.

[TheHarpy76]

Am I alone in finding this all just a little bit cringey?

[brog]

Am I alone in finding this all just a little bit cringey?

Yes! Am I alone in thinking you're at it?

[Aldo]

Am I alone in finding this all just a little bit cringey?

Nope. You and your friend Gordie Hibby (I think that's his name) seem to be the only ones that think it's Cringey!

Strange that!!

Think it's an excellent thread tbh!

[MrSmith]

"cringey" sounds awfy Keith Chegwin, tank top, rover and cardigan to me!

[Finbar]

I'm quite interested in this idea that temporary transfers outside the transfer window are so common that they don't need special permission. I've had a quick look online but can't find any records of such transfers, do they really happen all the time?

[Hibernian Verse]

I hope Rod has bigger things on his plate at ER to think about than a loan recall across the road. They aren't going to get punished and we don't really know if they deserve to be anyway.

Imagine winning the league because Hearts got docked points...would rather go up via the playoffs.

[lapsedhibee]

"cringey" sounds awfy Keith Chegwin, tank top, rover and cardigan to me!

Not sure about Cheggers but the rest of that list simply oozes with cringeness. :agree:

[TheHarpy76]

"cringey" sounds awfy Keith Chegwin, tank top, rover and cardigan to me!

Ok, embarrassing then?

[Juice-Terry]

Imagine winning the league because Hearts got docked points...would rather go up via the playoffs.

NO chance! I'd take winning the league because Hertz got docked points over going up via the playoffs any day of the week!

[Aldo]

Ok, embarrassing then?

Why is it embarrassing??

[stoneyburn hibs]

Ok, embarrassing then?

I'd be anything but embarrassed if this were to result in a points reduction or a fine for the cheats.

[lyonhibs]

I hope Rod has bigger things on his plate at ER to think about than a loan recall across the road. They aren't going to get punished and we don't really know if they deserve to be anyway.

Imagine winning the league because Hearts got docked points...would rather go up via the playoffs.

Agreed with 1st sentence.

Au contraire, I'd laugh my cock off if we won the league after Hearts got points docked. It's not going to happen though, so the old John Thomas is safe for now!!

[Aldo]

I'd be anything but embarrassed if this were to result in a points reduction or a fine for the cheats.

Indeed!! There only appears to be two posters embarrassed by this... I do wonder why!!

Very good topic for discussion!! Especially as it involves those cheating, robbing Yams!

[Thecat23]

"cringey" sounds awfy Keith Chegwin, tank top, rover and cardigan to me!

Think I need to pop home and change 😫

[Glesgahibby]

Wrote to Stewart Regan yesterday to express my dissatisfaction with the answers to my queries about the Gary Oliver re-registration.

He has obviously had words with Sandy Bryson who emailed this afternoon. ( twice )

Firstly, he waffled about online registration and that the rules for temporary transfers had not changed , but it was the custom and practice for these matters to be dealt with by the administration. Also the wording of the rules were going to be changed to reflect the current working practice.
He also added " rest assured all clubs have been treated in the same manner by the SFA ".

Not to be fobbed off, I fired off another email saying I have yet to have an explanation as to the " exceptional Circumstances " applying to this re-registration, and that Peterhead F C might disagree with his statement about all clubs being treated the same.

Fair do's to Mr Bryson, he replied with an hour. This time he says the administration deals with those matters because of .....

" the frequency with which loan deals expire during the closed window period "

Does anyone know any other loan deals that have expired out with the transfer window. ( Except of course the Hearts goalie )

He also adds that as it is now the norm ....

" we will be looking to change the wording of this rule from " exceptional circumstances " to reflect working practice of several
years"

I copied my letter to Stewart Regan to Rod Petrie, but whether he will do anything is anybodies guess. I suppose it is down to how much of Bryson's guff is down-right lies.
"THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH LOAN DEALS EXPIRE DURING THE THE CLOSED WINDOW PERIOD"
Why do we have a "CLOSED WINDOW PERIOD"
This deal"EXPIRED DURING THE CLOSED WINDOW PERIOD"because hearts decided it was ok,not the SFA!!!!
Does this mean,you can do what you want???
Or,someone at the SFA never checked the contract???
Reeeekinnn

[MrSmith]

Ok, embarrassing then?

"embarrassing" sounds awfy Kate Hopkins, Prince Andrew, Rolf Harris and Jimmy saville!

[Aldo]

Think I need to pop home and change dde2b

As long as it's not this one again TC.......



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Now that's embarrassing!!

[Aldo]

"embarrassing" sounds awfy Kate Hopkins, Prince Andrew, Rolf Harris and Jimmy saville!

Now embarrassing is not paying your own way, failing to pay your staff, charities and the likes.

[MrSmith]

Now embarrassing is not paying your own way, failing to pay your staff, charities and the likes.

Is that not more DESPICABLE?

Some synonyms:



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[Aldo]

Is that not more DESPICABLE?

Indeed.

I'm sure there are quite a few words that would be more than appropriate.

Edit:- ha ha you beat me to it!! :-)

[Thecat23]

As long as it's not this one again TC.......



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Now that's embarrassing!!

I want that back btw!!!!!!

[MrSmith]

Indeed.

I'm sure there are quite a few words that would be more than appropriate.

Edit:- ha ha you beat me to it!! :-)

Lol aye :)

Nevertheless, brill GG going for it, wish I could write letters like he does!!

[Aldo]

I want that back btw!!!!!!

You got it back as it's waaaaayyyy to small for me.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Lol aye :)

Nevertheless, brill GG going for it, wish I could write letters like he does!!

Is GG the same person that wrote all the letters on the Jambo Admin thread? Reminds me a bit of a committee member in a Bowling Club.

[marinello59]

Is GG the same person that wrote all the letters on the Jambo Admin thread? Reminds me a bit of a committee member in a Bowling Club.

There's really no need for that is there?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

There's really no need for that is there?

Depends what you think about bowling club committee members I suppose.

There wasn't any need for an earlier poster to be compared to Jimmy Saville etc earlier in the thread but, that didnae seem to bother you.

[Craig_HFC]

Indeed!! There only appears to be two posters embarrassed by this... I do wonder why!!

Very good topic for discussion!! Especially as it involves those cheating, robbing Yams!

There isn't only 2 posters that think this is cringeworthy/embarrassing/appropriate synonym.

[marinello59]

Depends what you think about bowling club committee members I suppose.

There wasn't any need for an earlier poster to be compared to Jimmy Saville etc earlier in the thread but, that didnae seem to bother you.

Report the comment in question. I haven't seen it. I don't sit here 24/7. I saw your conment. There is no need for personal abuse is there?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Report the comment in question. I haven't seen it. I don't sit here 24/7. I saw your conment. There is no need for personal abuse is there?

That post doesnae bother me, not a lot on here does. If mine upsets you that much feel free to delete it.

[TheHarpy76]

Indeed!! There only appears to be two posters embarrassed by this... I do wonder why!!

Very good topic for discussion!! Especially as it involves those cheating, robbing Yams!

Well I can't speak for the other poster but I find it embarrassing because it's, well, embarrassing.

[Franck Stanton]

There's really no need for that is there?

none

[Aldo]

There isn't only 2 posters that think this is cringeworthy/embarrassing/appropriate synonym.

Really. Not many more.


Well I can't speak for the other poster but I find it embarrassing because it's, well, embarrassing.

I asked before and I'd like to ask again. WHY IS IT EMBARRASSING TO YOU?? (You seem to not want to answer the question)

FWIW it's a pretty apt subject for a forum to discuss how a team (The Yams) cheated decent folk out of money and they are continuing to CHEAT by once again breaking the rules!!

They never have and never will play fair. Once a cheat always a cheat...... In my opinion mind!!

[TheHarpy76]

Really. Not many more.



I asked before and I'd like to ask again. WHY IS IT EMBARRASSING TO YOU?? (You seem to not want to answer the question)

FWIW it's a pretty apt subject for a forum to discuss how a team (The Yams) cheated decent folk out of money and they are continuing to CHEAT by once again breaking the rules!!

They never have and never will play fair. Once a cheat always a cheat...... In my opinion mind!!

I actually said "cringey" but I got accused of sounding like Keith Chegwin and let's be honest, no one deserves that.

Ok I'm not literally embarrassed, just don't see the point in all this email stuff, each to their own I suppose but as far as I can see there's been no rules broken so why keep on pursuing it?

Oh and them cheating a lot of people out of money and a young player playing a handful of minutes is night and day.

[MrSmith]

I actually said "cringey" but I got accused of sounding like Keith Chegwin and let's be honest, no one deserves that.

Ok I'm not literally embarrassed, just don't see the point in all this email stuff, each to their own I suppose but as far as I can see there's been no rules broken so why keep on pursuing it?

Oh and them cheating a lot of people out of money and a young player playing a handful of minutes is night and day.

Actually, I didn't say you sounded like KC, I said the word sounds awfy ... You know the rest :)

[JimBHibees]

I actually said "cringey" but I got accused of sounding like Keith Chegwin and let's be honest, no one deserves that.

Ok I'm not literally embarrassed, just don't see the point in all this email stuff, each to their own I suppose but as far as I can see there's been no rules broken so why keep on pursuing it?

Oh and them cheating a lot of people out of money and a young player playing a handful of minutes is night and day.

I dont think that is clear that no rules have been broken that allied to a less than convincing response from the SFA means I think it is reasonable to expect an explanation of what has happened.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I actually said "cringey" but I got accused of sounding like Keith Chegwin and let's be honest, no one deserves that.

Ok I'm not literally embarrassed, just don't see the point in all this email stuff, each to their own I suppose but as far as I can see there's been no rules broken so why keep on pursuing it?

Oh and them cheating a lot of people out of money and a young player playing a handful of minutes is night and day.

It might be night and day but if they have broken the rules (which has still yet to be clarified) then they should be held responsible.

The thing I find embarrassing is the response from the SPFL.

[marinello59]

That post doesnae bother me, not a lot on here does. If mine upsets you that much feel free to delete it.

i thought Id give you the chance to do the decent thing and delete it yourself. Up to you what you do now.