The National

[Pretty Boy]

Anyone picked up a copy today?

A decent addition to the daily newspaper scene?

[James.]

Anyone picked up a copy today?

A decent addition to the daily newspaper scene?

I bought it earlier this morning. Nice paper, I imagine they're taking a lot of their content from the Herald much like the i does with the Independent. Was at the Hydro on Saturday and the editor was making his pitch there - he mentioned that of the 33 papers in Scotland. 30 of them were in support of the Union, 2 remained neutral and only the Sunday Herald was in support of independence - that's pretty staggering.

[lord bunberry]

I had to go to 4 different shops to get one as they had sold out in the first 3, when i went to the 4th shop the guy said it was the first he had sold.

[Future17]

I had to go to 4 different shops to get one as they had sold out in the first 3, when i went to the 4th shop the guy said it was the first he had sold.

All the nationalists in your neck of the woods must walk the same way to work. :wink:

[The Harp Awakes]

Looks to be selling like hot cakes. Managed to get a copy in the 4th newsagent I tried. One newsagent said he could have sold out 4 times.

[Hibs Class]

Is there an online version? Done a bit of searching but although I can find references to it on other media sites, cannot find an actual digital edition.

[lord bunberry]

Is there an online version? Done a bit of searching but although I can find references to it on other media sites, cannot find an actual digital edition.

http://www.thenational.scot

[lord bunberry]

http://www.thenational.scot

[snooky]

There was about a dozen left in the little corner shop where I bought mine at 4.30pm.
I've had a quick shufty through it. I really don't like to say this but I was a bit disappointed (& no crossword).
That said, I wish the National all the best and hope it goes from strength to strength.

[lord bunberry]

There was about a dozen left in the little corner shop where I bought mine at 4.30pm.
I've had a quick shufty through it. I really don't like to say this but I was a bit disappointed (& no crossword).
That said, I wish the National all the best and hope it goes from strength to strength.

Remember it's only a 5 day trial run. I would have imagine that if it goes to being permanent then it will be a bit more substantial and have more of things other papers have.

[heretoday]

I must get a copy although I am reminded of the Scottish Daily News which started with high hopes back in the 70s but failed to sustain interest. It is very difficult to get a paper off the ground unless there is something substantially different about it and it contains writing of flair. The news-buying public are a conservative bunch and will drift back to what they know.

[DaveF]

I bought a copy today, though the picture of Murphy on the front nearly put me off :greengrin

Will watch it develop (or not) with interest.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Bought it yesterday and today and its not bad, mind you the proof reader needs to up their game a wee bit. The international section is pretty good though.

Its not hard to see that its been produced by the broadsheet end of the spectrum and I'm willing to bet there will be a sizeable percentage of its target audience who will find it a bit dry. If it is to continue, which looks likely, I would like to see a more eye catching masthead and a wider spread of news and human interest stories and the usual TV section, crossword, horoscopes etc to broaden its appeal.

I have to admit that in a moment of daftness I picked up 'the Independent' in ASDA on Tuesday by mistake until I remembered it was called the 'National' ... shame the name is already taken.

[judas]

Bought it yesterday and today and its not bad, mind you the proof reader needs to up their game a wee bit

I don't know what reader you are referring to, but there is no need to bring his sexuality into it.

[ronaldo7]

It's here to stay. :aok: We'll need it for the second Indyref.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/27/scotland-national-newspaper-here-to-stay?CMP=share_btn_tw

[HiBremian]

It's here to stay. :aok: We'll need it for the second Indyref.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/27/scotland-national-newspaper-here-to-stay?CMP=share_btn_tw

Great news. Subscribed to the online edition from here in mainland Europe.


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[Hibs Class]

It's here to stay. :aok: We'll need it for the second Indyref.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/27/scotland-national-newspaper-here-to-stay?CMP=share_btn_tw

And the third, the fourth, etc., etc. Out of interest, given that "the 45" seem to regard a no vote as some kind of deferred yes vote, in the event of a subsequent indyref coming up with a yes result, would that be irrevocable or would it also be subject to the same "wait a couple of years and try again" mindset?

[ronaldo7]

And the third, the fourth, etc., etc. Out of interest, given that "the 45" seem to regard a no vote as some kind of deferred yes vote, in the event of a subsequent indyref coming up with a yes result, would that be irrevocable or would it also be subject to the same "wait a couple of years and try again" mindset?

Take a chill man, you're supposed to have won:greengrin

No going back:aok:

[lord bunberry]

And the third, the fourth, etc., etc. Out of interest, given that "the 45" seem to regard a no vote as some kind of deferred yes vote, in the event of a subsequent indyref coming up with a yes result, would that be irrevocable or would it also be subject to the same "wait a couple of years and try again" mindset?

I suspect there may be another vote sooner than you think. If the UK votes to leave the EU there'll be another vote on independence

[over the line]

I suspect there may be another vote sooner than you think. If the UK votes to leave the EU there'll be another vote on independence

Is there legislation to allow for another referendum if the UK does opt out of the EU?

I personally don't think the UK will vote to leave the EU anyway. I think its a similar scenario to the independence referendum, where the break aways are making the most noise and feel they have the 'momentum', but when it comes down to it, the silent majority will vote for the status quo.

[Moulin Yarns]

Take a chill man, you're supposed to have won:greengrin

No going back:aok:

Tommy Shepherd of the Common Weal was saying that the whole winner/loser was turned on its head after the referendum

The yes campaigners got stronger.

[Glory Lurker]

Is there legislation to allow for another referendum if the UK does opt out of the EU?

I personally don't think the UK will vote to leave the EU anyway. I think its a similar scenario to the independence referendum, where the break aways are making the most noise and feel they have the 'momentum', but when it comes down to it, the silent majority will vote for the status quo.

Oh that "silent majority" thing gets my goat. Brilliant spin from the unionist side. Although the whole print media, sections of the BBC, the whole of the Whitehall machine and the full weight of the Westminster parties were screaming down the Yes campaign at every opportunity, it was the grass roots Yes campaign that was making all the noise. Aye right. Got to give it to Better Together, though, they totally sold that one.

[over the line]

Oh that "silent majority" thing gets my goat. Brilliant spin from the unionist side. Although the whole print media, sections of the BBC, the whole of the Whitehall machine and the full weight of the Westminster parties were screaming down the Yes campaign at every opportunity, it was the grass roots Yes campaign that was making all the noise. Aye right. Got to give it to Better Together, though, they totally sold that one.

Whether you like the phrase or not its accurate, as most of the electorate are not involved in active campaigning in any way, but it is their votes that decide the result isn't it? In an EU referendum for a straight In or Out, I think (and hope) it will be an In vote (the status quo).

[Glory Lurker]

Whether you like the phrase or not its accurate, as most of the electorate are not involved in active campaigning in any way, but it is their votes that decide the result isn't it? In an EU referendum for a straight In or Out, I think (and hope) it will be an In vote (the status quo).


It's not accurate, that's what I was saying. The majority view in the referendum far out-shouted the Yes campaign. They were anything but silent. But they played the "silent majority" card because it suggests some sort of superiority. And it worked a treat. Totally sticks in the craw, but they nailed that one.

[over the line]

It's not accurate, that's what I was saying. The majority view in the referendum far out-shouted the Yes campaign. They were anything but silent. But they played the "silent majority" card because it suggests some sort of superiority. And it worked a treat. Totally sticks in the craw, but they nailed that one.

I do see what you are saying about the press, Whitehall, the powers that be etc. But all elections or referendums are decided by the silent majority aren't they? Which ever way the vote goes (in your favour or not) its literally the majority that decide who wins and the vast majority of them are 'silent' (not involved in campaigning, or affiliated to a party). My point is that they are the people that will decide if we stay in the UK or not. Edit: I meant EU (its getting late!).

[lord bunberry]

I do see what you are saying about the press, Whitehall, the powers that be etc. But all elections or referendums are decided by the silent majority aren't they? Which ever way the vote goes (in your favour or not) its literally the majority that decide who wins and the vast majority of them are 'silent' (not involved in campaigning, or affiliated to a party). My point is that they are the people that will decide if we stay in the UK or not. Edit: I meant EU (its getting late!).

That would mean that the silent minority lost then.

[over the line]

That would mean that the silent minority lost then.

Yes I suppose it would.

Does the UK opting out of the EU give Scotland a mandate for another referendum?

[Pretty Boy]

Yes I suppose it would.

Does the UK opting out of the EU give Scotland a mandate for another referendum?

The results of the upcoming elections at Westminster and Holyrood and the SNPs subsequent performance should they win big will decide whether there is a potential mandate for another referendum. The SNPs stance in any EU referendum will play a huge part in analysing that performance imo.

A poll last week suggested Labour could be on course to lose 37 seats in Scotland, that represents a once in a lifetime opportunity for the SNP. If they get their campaign right then they could well become a serious force in the UK political scene and a massive counterweight to the UKIP fad in the south.

[over the line]

The results of the upcoming elections at Westminster and Holyrood and the SNPs subsequent performance should they win big will decide whether there is a potential mandate for another referendum. The SNPs stance in any EU referendum will play a huge part in analysing that performance imo.

A poll last week suggested Labour could be on course to lose 37 seats in Scotland, that represents a once in a lifetime opportunity for the SNP. If they get their campaign right then they could well become a serious force in the UK political scene and a massive counterweight to the UKIP fad in the south.

But surely the fact that the majority voted No to independence, knowing that the UK may opt out of the EU, would negate the legitimacy of any future (or at least near future) proposed independence referendum, wouldn't it? Scotland wanted to stay in the UK and surely now it has to accept what the majority of the UK decides. Surely the SNP/nationalists can't expect a referendum every time the UK makes a choice it doesn't like can it?

[lord bunberry]

Yes I suppose it would.

Does the UK opting out of the EU give Scotland a mandate for another referendum?

It's something I'm not 100% sure about but there was talk on here and on TV that if the UK opted to leave the EU then that would trigger another referendum.