Malky Mackay

[Stevie Reid]

Appointed Wigan manager: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30113956

[gringojoe]

Wonder if he will want Joe McBride to work with him again.

[Wilson]

Some lessons learned there I reckon (at least I hope).

Should be a decent appointment if he sticks to what he's good at.

[Hibernia&Alba]

As long as everybody at the club is British, white and male, Malky will be fine.

[Pretty Boy]

'I'm not racist but......

[fat freddy]

Just hearing that he's told the board that he intends to change the Wigan team colours, he insists they'll play better in Brown Shirts. For his first game he has arranged a friendly with Nuremburg where he will spell out his plans for world domination to the players. A quick trip to Poland may follow.

[SMAXXA]

Good luck to the guy is what I say go take them up to the table.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Good luck to the guy is what I say go take them up to the table.

Kick It Out aren't happy. Statement released


http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...om-kick-it-out (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/9570395/malky-mackays-appointment-by-wigan-comes-in-for-criticism-from-kick-it-out)

[HappyHibby93]

He's agreed that if he is found guilty in the FA inquiry that Wigan will be able to sack him, says a lot about Mackay i think. Good luck to the guy, i reckon he could be a real success

[greenginger]

Kick It Out aren't happy. Statement released


http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...om-kick-it-out (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/9570395/malky-mackays-appointment-by-wigan-comes-in-for-criticism-from-kick-it-out)


Kick -it- Out are never happy.

I wonder if they could all honestly say they have never made an un - P.C. utterance in their entire lives.

[Beefster]

Kick -it- Out are never happy.

I wonder if they could all honestly say they have never made an un - P.C. utterance in their entire lives.

It wasn't just a single utterance that Mackay made though, was it? I was under the impression that it was a sustained attitude demonstrated over a long period of time?

[blackpoolhibs]

He can make this all go away with one signing, but he might be in a race with Owen Oyston?

[scoopyboy]

Wonder if he will want Joe McBride to work with him again.

I think he will but the question for McBride will be does he take the chance of being emptied again if McKay gets the boot.

What Wigan would offer financially will easily beat what he is on at East Mains but I think he has more stability with us.

[scoopyboy]

He can make this all go away with one signing, but he might be in a race with Owen Oyston?

Liam Craig :duck:

[jacomo]

He can make this all go away with one signing, but he might be in a race with Owen Oyston?

Ched Evans? That should take the heat off...

[JimBHibees]

Seems a ridiculous appointment given the Fa investigation into MacKay.

Why not give Rosler a fair crack rather than binning him so soon. Think Whelan is losing it.

[bobbyhibs1983]

Seems a ridiculous appointment given the Fa investigation into MacKay.


Im sure i saw on sky sports news a little bit on this, and the chairman guy said something alone the lines that whatever happend happaned 10MONTHS ago, if the fa were gonna do soemthing surely they would have done something about it before?

Or do the FA just do pretty much nothhing for months on end:na na:

[TheFamous1875]

I think Mackay should do some charity or campaigning for anti-racism groups to show that he was wrong and that he knows he has made a mistake - make it plainly clear that it was wrong and that he is not spreading prejudice, etc.

In this day and age it has no place and he should make the biggest effort possible to right his wrong-doing.

For the record, I don't think he's a racist, I just think he's ignorant and stupid.

[Squealing pig]

I don't think he is racist either. A joke shared on your personal mobile phone. What's the harm? Not as if people from other races wouldn't have a joke about us.

[cabbageandribs1875]

one shirt sponsor bails out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30137728

One of Wigan Athletic's shirt sponsors has ended its agreement with the club following the appointment of Malky Mackay as manage

[greenginger]

one shirt sponsor bails out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30137728

One of Wigan Athletic's shirt sponsors has ended its agreement with the club following the appointment of Malky Mackay as manage


No doubt threatened by the P. C. Fascists.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I just saw a wee snippet on BBC News of Wigan chairman Dave Whelan repeatedly saying he supports the view that Jews love money. WTF? He's made things a thousand times worse.

[JimBHibees]

I don't think he is racist either. A joke shared on your personal mobile phone. What's the harm? Not as if people from other races wouldn't have a joke about us.

His comments appear to be a bit more regular than one joke, apparently loads of similar texts and emails.

[Michael]

I just saw a wee snippet on BBC News of Wigan chairman Dave Whelan repeatedly saying he supports the view that Jews love money. WTF? He's made things a thousand times worse.

Yup! (http://i.imgur.com/sTr546k.gif)

[Hibernia&Alba]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/9571731/dave-whelan-is-embroiled-in-an-anti-semitism-row-after-comments-he-made-to-the-guardian


Oh dear. Now I see why Mackay was offered the Wigan job.

[Hibbyradge]

I don't think he is racist either. A joke shared on your personal mobile phone. What's the harm? Not as if people from other races wouldn't have a joke about us.


On the arrival of South Korean international Kim Bo-Kyung:

"*** chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."

On football agent Phil Smith:

"Go on, fat Phil. Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers"

On transfer target list:

"Not many white faces amongst that lot but worth considering."

On a player's female agent:

"I hope she's looking after your needs. I bet you'd love a bounce on her falsies."

On an official at another club:

"He's a snake, a gay snake. Not to be trusted"

To members of Cardiff's staff:

A picture entitled 'Black Monopoly' - where every square was a "Go to Jail" square

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't think he is racist either. A joke shared on your personal mobile phone. What's the harm? Not as if people from other races wouldn't have a joke about us.

And that's justification?

For the record, it wasn't just racist or xenophobic "jokes". It was homophobic and sexist ones as well.

[Pete]

On the arrival of South Korean international Kim Bo-Kyung:

"*** chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."

On football agent Phil Smith:

"Go on, fat Phil. Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers"

On transfer target list:

"Not many white faces amongst that lot but worth considering."

On a player's female agent:

"I hope she's looking after your needs. I bet you'd love a bounce on her falsies."

On an official at another club:

"He's a snake, a gay snake. Not to be trusted"

To members of Cardiff's staff:

A picture entitled 'Black Monopoly' - where every square was a "Go to Jail" square

How many of them were actually him though?

Were most of these "jokes" not created by the other guy? :dunno:

[Scouse Hibee]

Was anyone actually offended by these jokes at the time, did he make personal remarks to actual people who were offended?

[Pretty Boy]

No doubt threatened by the P. C. Fascists.

Yep condemning casual and not so casual racism, homophobia and anti semitism.

Bloody fascists.

[500miles]

To be honest, they are private conversations, so it's nobody's business what he said. The next step is the thought police. Malky Mackay might have some unsavory personal views, but as long as it doesn't bleed into how he treats people into his work, it's pretty immoral to punish him over it.

I've worked with a lot of racists/ sexists/ homophobes, and argued with them over their views plenty as I exist at the absolute oppsite side of the spectrum. This idea that only awful people have prejudices or say stupid things is totally bogus - they are flaws, like lots of good, bad or indifferent people have. He's been sacked once, he's made his apologies - for being spied on - let him get on with it. A little bit of forgiveness does everyone a bit of good.

He who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Hibbyradge]

Was anyone actually offended by these jokes at the time, did he make personal remarks to actual people who were offended?

It concerns me that a man who is clearly homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic and sexist is in charge of a high profile football club.

I'm less concerned about whether his words caused offence before he was caught or after.

If Ally McCoist was caught with texts he'd sent along the lines of "Too many Catholics among that lot..." or "*** Taigs...", I doubt many people would be questioning whether or not he made the remarks to "actual people who were offended".

[Scouse Hibee]

To be honest, they are private conversations, so it's nobody's business what he said. The next step is the thought police. Malky Mackay might have some unsavory personal views, but as long as it doesn't bleed into how he treats people into his work, it's pretty immoral to punish him over it.

I've worked with a lot of racists/ sexists/ homophobes, and argued with them over their views plenty as I exist at the absolute oppsite side of the spectrum. This idea that only awful people have prejudices or say stupid things is totally bogus - they are flaws, like lots of good, bad or indifferent people have. He's been sacked once, he's made his apologies - for being spied on - let him get on with it. A little bit of forgiveness does everyone a bit of good.

He who is without sin cast the first stone.


:top marksMy thoughts exactly.

[Scouse Hibee]

It concerns me that a man who is clearly homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic and sexist is in charge of a high profile football club.

I'm less concerned about whether his words caused offence before he was caught or after.

If Ally McCoist was caught with texts he'd sent along the lines of "Too many Catholics among that lot..." or "*** Taigs...", I doubt many people would be questioning whether or not he made the remarks to "actual people who were offended".


500 miles post sums up my feelings on the matter too. Too many assumptions about the man being made as to what he is in my opinion.

[Scouse Hibee]

Best of luck to him in his new job.

[Hibernia&Alba]

To be honest, they are private conversations, so it's nobody's business what he said. The next step is the thought police. Malky Mackay might have some unsavory personal views, but as long as it doesn't bleed into how he treats people into his work, it's pretty immoral to punish him over it.

I've worked with a lot of racists/ sexists/ homophobes, and argued with them over their views plenty as I exist at the absolute oppsite side of the spectrum. This idea that only awful people have prejudices or say stupid things is totally bogus - they are flaws, like lots of good, bad or indifferent people have. He's been sacked once, he's made his apologies - for being spied on - let him get on with it. A little bit of forgiveness does everyone a bit of good.

He who is without sin cast the first stone.

A very reasonable post, 500miles. I'm sure there is a wink wink culture to these kind of views in the macho world of professional sport, and we all remember the Ron Atkinson incident. I don't think anyone is proposing he should never work in football again, it's more a question of how we eradicate prejudice from the game.

[TowerHibs]

It concerns me that a man who is clearly homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic and sexist is in charge of a high profile football club.

I'm less concerned about whether his words caused offence before he was caught or after.

If Ally McCoist was caught with texts he'd sent along the lines of "Too many Catholics among that lot..." or "*** Taigs...", I doubt many people would be questioning whether or not he made the remarks to "actual people who were offended".

Calm down mate. There would be no room in the prisons if everyone's private texts were published and taken as racist, homophobic or whatever.

[Hibbyradge]

Calm down mate. There would be no room in the prisons if everyone's private texts were published and taken as racist, homophobic or whatever.

I'm perfectly calm. :aok:

I'm intrigued as to why there would be no room in prisons though.

Whilst I think that holding those kind of views is wrong, I don't agree with you that folk should be jailed for having them, or even for writing them in text messages.

I simply wouldn't associate or employ anyone like that.

[3pm]

It's all kickin off at Wigan.

[blackpoolhibs]

Why was there no outrage when the gimps employed Rix?

[Stevie Reid]

Why was there no outrage when the gimps employed Rix?

Twitter wasn't around back then.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why was there no outrage when the gimps employed Rix?

To be fair, there was, as I recall.

[PatHead]

Why was there no outrage when the gimps employed Rix?

We were too busy laughing after talk of Booby Robson, Kevin Keegan etc.

[Stevie Reid]

To be honest, they are private conversations, so it's nobody's business what he said. The next step is the thought police. Malky Mackay might have some unsavory personal views, but as long as it doesn't bleed into how he treats people into his work, it's pretty immoral to punish him over it.

I've worked with a lot of racists/ sexists/ homophobes, and argued with them over their views plenty as I exist at the absolute oppsite side of the spectrum. This idea that only awful people have prejudices or say stupid things is totally bogus - they are flaws, like lots of good, bad or indifferent people have. He's been sacked once, he's made his apologies - for being spied on - let him get on with it. A little bit of forgiveness does everyone a bit of good.

He who is without sin cast the first stone.

Good post.

[greenginger]

Yep condemning casual and not so casual racism, homophobia and anti semitism.

Bloody fascists.

No problem with them condemning the remarks , but demanding a man be sacked from his job and now wanting a club chairman emptied because of their own self appointed views on what is unacceptable.

That is getting pretty close to fascism in my book.

[Hibbyradge]

No problem with them condemning the remarks , but demanding a man be sacked from his job and now wanting a club chairman emptied because of their own self appointed views on what is unacceptable.

That is getting pretty close to fascism in my book.

Football is working hard to rid itself of sexism, bigotry, homophobia and racism.

There is no place in the sport for racists, bigots, sexists or homophobes.

That's not fascism. That's fairness and equality.

[greenginger]

Football is working hard to rid itself of sexism, bigotry, homophobia and racism.

There is no place in the sport for racists, bigots, sexists or homophobes.

That's not fascism. That's fairness and equality.

So , first strike and you are out.

And, of course all the Show Racism the Red Card executives have never ,ever in their lives let an unacceptable word or two slip out.

[TheFamous1875]

If you're not a person who believes in prejudices and you get yourself into bother by saying the wrong thing, or saying something in ignorance or whatever you should make the most effort possible to make amends for your mistakes. SRTRC, etc, should try and work alongside Mackay and set an example, not attack him as if he invented the idea of prejudice all by himself.

[Hibbyradge]

So , first strike and you are out.



There should be zero tolerance of racism.




And, of course all the Show Racism the Red Card executives have never ,ever in their lives let an unacceptable word or two slip out.

In Mackays case, it was an awful lot more than a word or two "slipping out".

If anyone associated with Kick it Out is ever reported for making a single racist comment, then they should certainly be sacked immediately.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No problem with them condemning the remarks , but demanding a man be sacked from his job and now wanting a club chairman emptied because of their own self appointed views on what is unacceptable.

That is getting pretty close to fascism in my book.

That's the old question of to what extent should we be intolerant of intolerance, or, put another way, the trade off between the freedom to act, on the one hand, and the freedom from the actions of others, on the other. May I recommend the work of thinkers such as John Stuart Mill and Isaiah Berlin on this weighty issue of the nature of liberty.

[Hibbyradge]

If you're not a person who believes in prejudices and you get yourself into bother by saying the wrong thing, or saying something in ignorance or whatever you should make the most effort possible to make amends for your mistakes. SRTRC, etc, should try and work alongside Mackay and set an example, not attack him as if he invented the idea of prejudice all by himself.

Show Racism the tolerant card.

[500miles]

Show Racism the tolerant card.

Na, just show Racism the red card, show people forgiveness.

[Eyrie]

I wonder how many on here would be comfortable with Mackay expressing those views as the Hibs manager, or would be willing to tolerate them if he was at the PBS.

He's entitled to his views, just as we're entitled to condemn him for holding them.

[Eyrie]

Na, just show Racism the red card, show people forgiveness.

What genuine contrition (beyond PR-driven platitudes) has Mackay shown to deserve forgiveness?

[500miles]

I wonder how many on here would be comfortable with Mackay expressing those views as the Hibs manager, or would be willing to tolerate them if he was at the PBS.

He's entitled to his views, just as we're entitled to condemn him for holding them.

So you can sack people and ban them from working because you disagree with their views?

I disagree with Mackays words, and I think he is probably a bit of a roaster. However, we're acting as if he's done something beyond redemption, and he hasn't.

[TheFamous1875]

What genuine contrition (beyond PR-driven platitudes) has Mackay shown to deserve forgiveness?

That's my point. He's saying he's sorry and that he's not a racist, but I don't see him doing anything to fight racism or homophobia, etc. both parties could make a lot of good out of this situation, but I don't see anything yet other than: "Look, I'm sorry. Can I get on with my well paid vocational job now, please?"

[500miles]

What genuine contrition (beyond PR-driven platitudes) has Mackay shown to deserve forgiveness?

The only genuine act of contrition that he can make is to act fairly, responsibly and without prejudice when he is given another chance.

[Hibernia&Alba]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/9571830/dave-whelan-controversy-wigan-owner-apologises-for-remarks-after-being-accused-of-anti-semitism Dave Whelan issues apology for his remarks.

[greenginger]

There should be zero tolerance of racism.



In Mackays case, it was an awful lot more than a word or two "slipping out".

If anyone associated with Kick it Out is ever reported for making a single racist comment, then they should certainly be sacked immediately.


Well let's ask them to open up their private e-mails , texts and conversations for public scrutiny .

Not going to happen is it . Right to privacy and all that

[CapitalGreen]

So you can sack people and ban them from working because you disagree with their views?

I disagree with Mackays words, and I think he is probably a bit of a roaster. However, we're acting as if he's done something beyond redemption, and he hasn't.

It's his actions not his views that are receiving condemnation though. The action of responding to communications in his role as manager of Cardiff with racist, sexist and homophobic language. Discussing transfer targets/new players with another employee etc.

[H18Y GW]

Do you know the one that always gets me in this anti racist society that everything has to be PC..

The Black police officers club for want of the right words , how the **** is this allowed , can you imagine the furore at a White police officers club or I'd guess it would be a white wizards society in no time ..

There are several ethnic groups in this country that cry wolf at every turning , until they learn to live with there own racism and stop playing the victims we won't be an integrated society ..

Look at the Chinese , the most insular of all for me but totally integrated in there own way due to an acceptance on both sides ..


People here and on the racist anti racism sites seriously ought to let it go and concentrate on what they should be doing and not a guy who has served his time , apologised and wants to move on... He ain't no Chad Evans ..

[500miles]

It's his actions not his views that are receiving condemnation though. The action of responding to communications in his role as manager of Cardiff with racist, sexist and homophobic language. Discussing transfer targets/new players with another employee etc.

Private communications. Not in the middle of a busy stadium, not in a press release or somewhere people should expect to cause offence - entirely privately. I'm suprised with how comfortable people are with the massive invasion of privacy that Mackay was a victim of.

[Hibbyradge]

Well let's ask them to open up their private e-mails , texts and conversations for public scrutiny .

Not going to happen is it . Right to privacy and all that

I really don't know what point you're making.

Mackay was caught out because of another investigation. Hard luck pal. You've been found out.

Are you suggesting that because most people don't get caught, we should ignore those that do?

How far should we take that approach?

It would be nice if the police didn't prosecute folk for speeding because most folk get away with it. I wonder if they'd extend it to parking on yellow lines too.

What about folk who get caught downloading photographs of children? Should we ignore them because many get away with it?

How many "strikes" should they get?

Shoplifters should be let off too because most people have stolen something at sometime?

If you owned a shop and you found proof that they had nicked stuff, how many "strikes" would you give them before sacking them?

[Hibbyradge]

Private communications. Not in the middle of a busy stadium, not in a press release or somewhere people should expect to cause offence - entirely privately. I'm suprised with how comfortable people are with the massive invasion of privacy that Mackay was a victim of.

The invasion of privacy was a result of another legitimate investigation.

[Pretty Boy]

Do you know the one that always gets me in this anti racist society that everything has to be PC..

The Black police officers club for want of the right words , how the **** is this allowed , can you imagine the furore at a White police officers club or I'd guess it would be a white wizards society in no time ..

There are several ethnic groups in this country that cry wolf at every turning , until they learn to live with there own racism and stop playing the victims we won't be an integrated society ..

Look at the Chinese , the most insular of all for me but totally integrated in there own way due to an acceptance on both sides ..


People here and on the racist anti racism sites seriously ought to let it go and concentrate on what they should be doing and not a guy who has served his time , apologised and wants to move on... He ain't no Chad Evans ..

The Black Police Association was a direct result of institutional racism within the Police especially the Met. This was a racism acknowledged in the courts not some jumped up sambos forming a wee private club.

As for the rest is this not a case of the white male (the least persecuted people ever) telling others how they should act and what they should be offended by.

[greenginger]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4229971]It concerns me that a man who is clearly homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic and sexist is in charge of a high profile football club.



HibbyR. , you seem to be in the vanguard against many things Kick it Out have appointed themselves to be judge, jury and executioner for.

So with the thought of sexism in mind, do you not consider your own avatar a bit inappropriate . Not that I object , but you never know some visiting Kick it Out web regulating harpy might see it and we will all be in the brown stuff.

Mikey fired, you sent on a re-education course and Hibs.net shut for a month. :greengrin

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

I think Mackay should do some charity or campaigning for anti-racism groups to show that he was wrong and that he knows he has made a mistake - make it plainly clear that it was wrong and that he is not spreading prejudice, etc.

In this day and age it has no place and he should make the biggest effort possible to right his wrong-doing.

For the record, I don't think he's a racist, I just think he's ignorant and stupid.

i think your post is correct. i think malky is a silly man for what he has done, but feel alot of people could be guilty for that kind of behaviour

[TrinityHibs]

Private communications. Not in the middle of a busy stadium, not in a press release or somewhere people should expect to cause offence - entirely privately. I'm suprised with how comfortable people are with the massive invasion of privacy that Mackay was a victim of.

Anybody any idea what Fat Swally said to Neil Lemon when Lemon lost the plot. Pretty sure it had nothing to do with his hair colour. I would hazard a guess that if it had been caught on mike The Rangers would be a few £100K better off.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

I wonder how many on here would be comfortable with Mackay expressing those views as the Hibs manager, or would be willing to tolerate them if he was at the PBS.

He's entitled to his views, just as we're entitled to condemn him for holding them.

i would be happy having him as our manager. he has apologized and its time to move on. forgiveness should be allowed.

[JimBHibees]

Do you know the one that always gets me in this anti racist society that everything has to be PC..

The Black police officers club for want of the right words , how the **** is this allowed , can you imagine the furore at a White police officers club or I'd guess it would be a white wizards society in no time ..

There are several ethnic groups in this country that cry wolf at every turning , until they learn to live with there own racism and stop playing the victims we won't be an integrated society ..

Look at the Chinese , the most insular of all for me but totally integrated in there own way due to an acceptance on both sides ..


People here and on the racist anti racism sites seriously ought to let it go and concentrate on what they should be doing and not a guy who has served his time , apologised and wants to move on... He ain't no Chad Evans ..

MacKay hasn't served any time there is an ongoing investigation. Some of your views are staggering to be honest.

[greenginger]

MacKay hasn't served any time there is an ongoing investigation. Some of your views are staggering to be honest.


No, but he lost his job with Cardiff and the right to any compensation.

That would amount to a lot more than fines that are dished out by courts for a lot worse than using inappropriate language.

[blackpoolhibs]

This next comment has nothing to do with Ched Evans or even Malky McKay, but i am getting worried the way things are going. An apology and someone showing remorse is not enough for some folk now and even jail time and folk doing the time for the crime is also not enough now.

There are obviously some crimes were doing the above is not enough to pick up where you left and just carry on as if nothing has happened.

My worry is where will this all stop?

[Pete]

The Black Police Association was a direct result of institutional racism within the Police especially the Met. This was a racism acknowledged in the courts not some jumped up sambos forming a wee private club.


Correct, but it's time has now passed.

We're teaching our children that racial discrimination of any kind is unacceptable so an organisation which has race as an entry criteria is incompatible with that.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This next comment has nothing to do with Ched Evans or even Malky McKay, but i am getting worried the way things are going. An apology and someone showing remorse is not enough for some folk now and even jail time and folk doing the time for the crime is also not enough now.

There are obviously some crimes were doing the above is not enough to pick up where you left and just carry on as if nothing has happened.

My worry is where will this all stop?

Not until B&Q runs out of pitch forks! ;-)

[blackpoolhibs]

Not until B&Q runs out of pitch forks! ;-)

:wink:

[TowerHibs]

I'm perfectly calm. :aok:

I'm intrigued as to why there would be no room in prisons though.

Whilst I think that holding those kind of views is wrong, I don't agree with you that folk should be jailed for having them, or even for writing them in text messages.

I simply wouldn't associate or employ anyone like that.

i bet you do.......everyone you have ever associated with hasn't said a sly remark in informal area to someone else???

NEVER??


EVER???


......

EVER?

[TowerHibs]

This next comment has nothing to do with Ched Evans or even Malky McKay, but i am getting worried the way things are going. An apology and someone showing remorse is not enough for some folk now and even jail time and folk doing the time for the crime is also not enough now.

There are obviously some crimes were doing the above is not enough to pick up where you left and just carry on as if nothing has happened.

My worry is where will this all stop?

CORRECT

I chucked out a perfectly edible yogurt last night as it was 3 days over the expiry.

Food Banks around the country will be deeply enraged. I apologise for any harm caused.

[Hibby Bairn]

This next comment has nothing to do with Ched Evans or even Malky McKay, but i am getting worried the way things are going. An apology and someone showing remorse is not enough for some folk now and even jail time and folk doing the time for the crime is also not enough now.

There are obviously some crimes were doing the above is not enough to pick up where you left and just carry on as if nothing has happened.

My worry is where will this all stop?

Whelan's Jewish stereotyping "joke" is (for me anyway) the same as many English people (and others) stereotyping Scots as tight gits with their money. Just that recent historical events mean Jewish comments are more likely to cause offence than about Scots. Just my opinion.

On another note a few years ago I was leaving work with a colleague. He asked what I was doing tonight. I said "not sure - might get a chinky". Meaning..."I might telephone a chinese takeaway this evening and have it delivered to my home address for my personal consumption whilst I am watching some garbage on tv in my living room accompanied by a beer from my refrigerator."

He took offence and gave me verbals about minding my language and how I said things that might be deemed racist. :paranoid:

Anyway said takeaway was lovely...beef curry and boiled rice with side portion of chips. :greengrin

[Scottie]

Whelan's Jewish stereotyping "joke" is (for me anyway) the same as many English people (and others) stereotyping Scots as tight gits with their money. Just that recent historical events mean Jewish comments are more likely to cause offence than about Scots. Just my opinion.

On another note a few years ago I was leaving work with a colleague. He asked what I was doing tonight. I said "not sure - might get a chinky". Meaning..."I might telephone a chinese takeaway this evening and have it delivered to my home address for my personal consumption whilst I am watching some garbage on tv in my living room accompanied by a beer from my refrigerator."

He took offence and gave me verbals about minding my language and how I said things that might be deemed racist. :paranoid:

Anyway said takeaway was lovely...beef curry and boiled rice with side portion of chips. :greengrin

Best dish in any 'Chinky' (sorry Chinese ) by far. :aok:

[Beefster]

Whelan's Jewish stereotyping "joke" is (for me anyway) the same as many English people (and others) stereotyping Scots as tight gits with their money. Just that recent historical events mean Jewish comments are more likely to cause offence than about Scots. Just my opinion.

It's an opinion that doesn't take into account history or context IMHO.

[Keith_M]

It's an opinion that doesn't take into account history or context IMHO.



Sorry, but as far as the tight-fistedness stereotypes go, I see no difference.


Yes, Jewish people have by far had worse persecution than Scots could even imagine but it does not make that one cliche any more or less serious.


Here in Germany, you would get into BIG trouble for saying anything a Jewish Person could find even vaguely offensive (for very understandable reasons) but when a shop wants to advertise how big a bargain something is, they invariably describe it as being "Schottenpreis" (Scottish Price), in reference to what a bunch of tight-fisted Gits we Scots are.

There's even a Website using the very word as its name http://www.schottenpreis.de/

[Keith_M]

p.s. Mackay and his new boss are both racist, sexist, bigotted D1cks.

Their 'apologies' are meaningless platitudes put out by their PR people.

[CapitalGreen]

Whelan's Jewish stereotyping "joke" is (for me anyway) the same as many English people (and others) stereotyping Scots as tight gits with their money. Just that recent historical events mean Jewish comments are more likely to cause offence than about Scots. Just my opinion.

On another note a few years ago I was leaving work with a colleague. He asked what I was doing tonight. I said "not sure - might get a chinky". Meaning..."I might telephone a chinese takeaway this evening and have it delivered to my home address for my personal consumption whilst I am watching some garbage on tv in my living room accompanied by a beer from my refrigerator."

He took offence and gave me verbals about minding my language and how I said things that might be deemed racist. :paranoid:

Anyway said takeaway was lovely...beef curry and boiled rice with side portion of chips. :greengrin

MacKay wasn't referring to a chinese takeaway though when he used the term Chinky in his business communications. He was referring to a person, who in fact wasn't even Chinese but Korean.

[JimBHibees]

No, but he lost his job with Cardiff and the right to any compensation.

That would amount to a lot more than fines that are dished out by courts for a lot worse than using inappropriate language.

How did he lose the right to compensation? He could have taken Tan to court but of course decided not to.

[blackpoolhibs]

p.s. Mackay and his new boss are both racist, sexist, bigotted D1cks.

Their 'apologies' are meaningless platitudes put out by their PR people.

How do people like this change, and how do they show this change?

[Pretty Boy]

MacKay wasn't referring to a chinese takeaway though when he used the term Chinky in his business communications. He was referring to a person, who in fact wasn't even Chinese but Korean.

To me it's irrelevant what he was referring to. A lot of Chinese people find the term 'chinky' offensive so it shouldn't be used. What you point out there about MacKay is just classic ignorance.

I always find it bizarre that people argue so furiously that they can say stuff like that if they like. I'd really like tp know what detrimental effect it has on someones life to say they are going for a Chinese rather than a chinky or to the corner shop or just the shop rather than the pakis.

There's lots of things it used to be ok to say but times change and I don't think it takes much effort to avoid using a potentially derogatory term for someone based on their race.

[Sylar]

Football isn't faring well of late being under the moral spotlight and highlights quite how archaic those who govern, work within and follow the sport can be with their viewpoints.

However, I see no merits in singling out people like Whelan, MacKay etc - until FIFA/UEFA, i.e., those tasked with the ultimate stewardship of the game, are entirely revamped and treat issues such as racism, sectarianism, homophobia etc with the contempt they rightly deserve, we'll continue to see stories like this and the Ched Evans story, corruption and bribery, Graeme Rix, Hugh Dallas and his remarks and the Luke whatshisface (Plymouth goalkeeper) (to name but a few), racist Russian/Ukranian/Croatian/Italian/Spanish fans etc etc in our press.

Just because a large portion of the population have 'enjoyed' black humour at some point doesn't somehow justify a widespread prevalence of oppression, downtrodding and bigoted attitudes in a sport just because we claim to be fans.

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4229971]It concerns me that a man who is clearly homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic and sexist is in charge of a high profile football club.



HibbyR. , you seem to be in the vanguard against many things Kick it Out have appointed themselves to be judge, jury and executioner for.

So with the thought of sexism in mind, do you not consider your own avatar a bit inappropriate . Not that I object , but you never know some visiting Kick it Out web regulating harpy might see it and we will all be in the brown stuff.

Mikey fired, you sent on a re-education course and Hibs.net shut for a month. :greengrin

In what way is my avatar inappropriate?

[greenginger]

How did he lose the right to compensation? He could have taken Tan to court but of course decided not to.


McKay did'nt lose his job because of his text messages.

McKay lost his job because of the teams performance on the park.

Normally, a manager would be entitled to compensation.

Because his private messages became public, he felt it unwise to proceed with any litigation.

He has lost the right to compensation for loss of position, which would he would undoubtedly have won , had it not been for the text messages.

His texts have therefor cost him about £ 1 million. A bit more than a court fine I would think.

Is that any clearer for you ?

[greenginger]

[QUOTE=greenginger;4230180]

In what way is my avatar inappropriate?


Picture of a female pulling her knickers down could be considered that by some in the PC brigade.

Unless I am misunderstanding the picture and its a selfie of yourself getting ready for a cross-dressing party. :greengrin

[Hibiza]

Let he is without sin, cast the first stone.

[Hibbyradge]

i bet you do.......everyone you have ever associated with hasn't said a sly remark in informal area to someone else???

NEVER??


EVER???


......

EVER?

You bet I do what?

I don't want anything to do with people who hold those types of views, and I wouldn't willingly associate with people like that.

Someone I know making an occasional "sly comment in an informal area", isn't what we're talking about here. I know that there are many people who have racist, homophobic and sexist views. Loads of folk seem to fine those types of jokes amusing and I often challenge them.

However, this is a high profile public figure who has made numerous derogatory remarks about virtually all the minority groups in the country, in addition to women.

If no action is taken, then what message does that give out to those who hold similar views? What message does that give to the people who are victimised daily by those who hold those views?

If we're serious about kicking racism and bigotry out of football, then comments like Mackay's can not be condoned or ignored.

I also think that Mackay was foolish to accept the Wigan job while the FA investigation was still ongoing.

If he's cleared, like John Terry, then he'd be free to accept any job he fancies. Given that people feel his apology is enough to forgive and forget, I guess that will be a formality.

[Hibbyradge]

Let he is without sin, cast the first stone.

Does this apply to all sins?

Wow.

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230338]


Picture of a female pulling her knickers down could be considered that by some in the PC brigade.

Unless I am misunderstanding the picture and its a selfie of yourself getting ready for a cross-dressing part. :greengrin

It's a pair of ankles and a pair of pants.

What is this PC Brigade, people keep mentioning?

[surreyhibbie]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230338]


Picture of a female pulling her knickers down could be considered that by some in the PC brigade.

Unless I am misunderstanding the picture and its a selfie of yourself getting ready for a cross-dressing part. :greengrin

leave him alone!

One of my all time favourite Avatars that one...:greengrin

[500miles]

The invasion of privacy was a result of another legitimate investigation.

What was the original purpose of the investigation? Unless it was investigating a claim regarding Mackay sending unwanted offensive texts, then it should have been omitted from public record, because it is nobody's business.

[Wilson]

[QUOTE=greenginger;4230348]

It's a pair of ankles and a pair of pants.

What is this PC Brigade, people keep mentioning?

Preferably Crotchless.

[JimBHibees]

McKay did'nt lose his job because of his text messages.

McKay lost his job because of the teams performance on the park.

Normally, a manager would be entitled to compensation.

Because his private messages became public, he felt it unwise to proceed with any litigation.

He has lost the right to compensation for loss of position, which would he would undoubtedly have won , had it not been for the text messages.

His texts have therefor cost him about £ 1 million. A bit more than a court fine I would think.

Is that any clearer for you ?

So he chose not to take action. Seems clear.

[TowerHibs]

You bet I do what?

I don't want anything to do with people who hold those types of views, and I wouldn't willingly associate with people like that.

Someone I know making an occasional "sly comment in an informal area", isn't what we're talking about here. I know that there are many people who have racist, homophobic and sexist views. Loads of folk seem to fine those types of jokes amusing and I often challenge them.

However, this is a high profile public figure who has made numerous derogatory remarks about virtually all the minority groups in the country, in addition to women.

If no action is taken, then what message does that give out to those who hold similar views? What message does that give to the people who are victimised daily by those who hold those views?

If we're serious about kicking racism and bigotry out of football, then comments like Mackay's can not be condoned or ignored.

I also think that Mackay was foolish to accept the Wigan job while the FA investigation was still ongoing.

If he's cleared, like John Terry, then he'd be free to accept any job he fancies. Given that people feel his apology is enough to forgive and forget, I guess that will be a formality.

well done you then. I tell you what, i wouldnt like a conversation with you in fear everything i say is being analysed and taken to heart. Your avatar could be deemed tastless and offensive. Why not a larger woman with granny pants? Is the model being used as an object for your satisfaction? Who is the girl? She might have been victim or human trafficking and now being made to do this. (i dont care like, but someone somewhere would find it insulting...especially on a public forum)

high profile person yes. Private conversation though. How he can be called a rascist when he has worked with hundreds of people of all nationalities without prejudice or problems.

My borther is gay yet i tell loads gay jokes and make remarks about it. I also do it about myself about my friends about a whole range of issues. Does that make me a homophobe? Am i sexist cause of stuff i say to my friends (male and female) about other females. Or is is just having conversations and how i live my life without looking to be offended at everything i read or see.

Majority of the world would be deemed rascist, sexist or insulting if everything they say or do in private or public is torn apart.

I feel if your looking to be offended, 9 times out of 10 you will be.

If the guy apologies, realises he has been extremely silly and gets punished, why is he not allowed to do his job? John Terry is still captain of Chelsea and everyone gets over that fairly quickly. Leigh Griffiths made similar remarks and we would all welcome him with open arms....his apology is enough for me and majority on here.

[greenginger]

So he chose not to take action. Seems clear.


And so is the fact he lost £ 1 million compensation because of his text messaging.

The point being, he has not got off with his texting. It has cost him big time.

[Keith_M]

How do people like this change, and how do they show this change?


I agree with you that people should be given the opportunity to change their views, be forgiven and then get on with their lives.


However, I haven't read a meaningful apology from either of them.

In fact, the 'apology' from his Chairman was more of a defence of being allowed to use certain racist terms.

[Keith_M]

Let he is without sin, cast the first stone.


Used by guilty people everywhere to excuse themselves from blame.

[blackpoolhibs]

I agree with you that people should be given the opportunity to change their views, be forgiven and then get on with their lives.


However, I haven't read a meaningful apology from either of them.

In fact, the 'apology' from his Chairman was more of a defence of being allowed to use certain racist terms.

I have not read any apology from McKay, but saying that its not something i have seeked to do. And Evans is still protesting his innocence, if he feels this is the case then we will be waiting a long time for one i'd imagine?

As i originally posted, yes there are some folk who cant go back into the profession they had before their "crime", but there are also some folk who can learn from their mistakes and go back into a similar job once they have done so.

And as i also said, i worry where this is going.

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=greenginger;4230348]

It's a pair of ankles and a pair of pants.

What is this PC Brigade, people keep mentioning?

It's only shortening Chinese to Chinky! Some chinese person may be offended you think? Yet your avatar could just as easily offend females on here! Own goal you!!!!

[Keith_M]

It's a pair of ankles and a pair of pants.

What is this PC Brigade, people keep mentioning?



It's only shortening Chinese to Chinky! Some chinese person may be offended you think? Yet your avatar could just as easily offend females on here! Own goal you!!!!




:agree:

[CapitalGreen]

It's only shortening Chinese to Chinky! Some chinese person may be offended you think? Yet your avatar could just as easily offend females on here! Own goal you!!!!

"*** chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."

You're right, he ONLY shortened Chinese to Chinky...

[greenginger]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230354]

It's only shortening Chinese to Chinky! Some chinese person may be offended you think? Yet your avatar could just as easily offend females on here! Own goal you!!!!

Note to Hibbyradge.

Please don't even consider changing your avatar. You've got over 25,000 posts so that lassie has been seen with her scanties down more times than I can count and nobodies complained.

One of the few things to give me a smile on Hibs.net these days, specially since SteveHFC dropped the Russian bird from the World Cup. :greengrin

[Andy74]

This next comment has nothing to do with Ched Evans or even Malky McKay, but i am getting worried the way things are going. An apology and someone showing remorse is not enough for some folk now and even jail time and folk doing the time for the crime is also not enough now.

There are obviously some crimes were doing the above is not enough to pick up where you left and just carry on as if nothing has happened.

My worry is where will this all stop?

Totally agree.

[Scouse Hibee]

"*** chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."

You're right, he ONLY shortened Chinese to Chinky...


I was using the term as an example not referring to what he had said!

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230409]

Note to Hibbyradge.

Please don't even consider changing your avatar. You've got over 25,000 posts so that lassie has been seen with her scanties down more times than I can count and nobodies complained.

One of the few things to give me a smile on Hibs.net these days, specially since SteveHFC dropped the Russian bird from the World Cup. :greengrin


I've told over 25,000 jokes about chinkys eating dogs, big tiitted women and took the piss out of virtually every race I could think of and you guess what no one has ever complained to me either.

[Hibbyradge]

well done you then. I tell you what, i wouldnt like a conversation with you in fear everything i say is being analysed and taken to heart.

I wouldn't like a conversation with you for fear you'd try to entertain me with one of your jokes about gay people.


Your avatar could be deemed tastless and offensive. Why not a larger woman with granny pants? Is the model being used as an object for your satisfaction? Who is the girl? She might have been victim or human trafficking and now being made to do this. (i dont care like, but someone somewhere would find it insulting...especially on a public forum)



In what way could a picture of a pair of ankles and a pair of knickers be deemed offensive?

Is it a woman in the picture? How do you know how old those ankles are? How big is the person?

What is actually happening in the picture?

Your mind is playing tricks on you.



high profile person yes. Private conversation though. How he can be called a rascist when he has worked with hundreds of people of all nationalities without prejudice or problems.



Have you read his text messages? That's how he can be called a racist.




My borther is gay yet i tell loads gay jokes and make remarks about it.

Have you ever asked him if he'd prefer you not to make a fool of his sexuality? Would you stop if he asked you to?

I find it sad that people would rather defend one privileged and wealthy man (who has made clearly unacceptable and insulting remarks), than stand up for the right of the millions who suffer daily from hatred, prejudice and bigotry, not to be subject to that kind of abuse.

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230354]

It's only shortening Chinese to Chinky! Some chinese person may be offended you think? Yet your avatar could just as easily offend females on here! Own goal you!!!!

People keep telling me that my avatar could offend?

How so?

What is in my avatar that could be offensive?

Is it because it's a trans bloke getting dressed?

Or do folk think it's a woman? :confused:

What could be offensive about a picture of ankles, shoes and pants?

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230409]

Note to Hibbyradge.

Please don't even consider changing your avatar. You've got over 25,000 posts so that lassie has been seen with her scanties down more times than I can count and nobodies complained.

One of the few things to give me a smile on Hibs.net these days, specially since SteveHFC dropped the Russian bird from the World Cup. :greengrin

It's a bloke.

Sorry to disappoint you.

[blackpoolhibs]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230409]

People keep telling me that my avatar could offend?

How so?

What is in my avatar that could be offensive?

Is it because it's a trans bloke getting dressed?

Or do folk think it's a woman? :confused:

What could be offensive about a picture of ankles, shoes and pants?

I'm disappointed, someone just said to me he thinks the lady is putting them on, its completely ruined the illusion in my head what happened next. :wink:

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=greenginger;4230426]

It's a bloke.

Sorry to disappoint you.


Prove it.

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230448]


Prove it.

Why do you need proof?

What difference does it make if the ankles belong to a man or a woman?

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230451]

Why do you need proof?

What difference does it make if the ankles belong to a man or a woman?


Because you stated it is a bloke and I don't believe you, I'm a sceptic but happy to see your proof.

[TowerHibs]

I wouldn't like a conversation with you for fear you'd try to entertain me with one of your jokes about gay people.

Have you read his text messages? That's how he can be called a racist.



Have you ever asked him if he'd prefer you not to make a fool of his sexuality? Would you stop if he asked you to?

I find it sad that people would rather defend one privileged and wealthy man (who has made clearly unacceptable and insulting remarks), than stand up for the right of the millions who suffer daily from hatred, prejudice and bigotry, not to be subject to that kind of abuse.

not trying to defend him. I am saying he acted stupidly and immaturely

i have asked him. he wants to be treated like everyone else in our friendship group

[McIntosh]

Hibbyradge's explanation is good enough by me - no one on here is his judge.

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230453]


Because you stated it is a bloke and I don't believe you, I'm a sceptic but happy to see your proof.

Remind me who you are that I need to prove insignificant things to you?

What difference does it make now you know it's a man?

[Hibbyradge]

Hibbyradge's explanation is good enough by me - no one on here is his judge.

Nice try. :aok:

[Pete]

Maybe we can sort out these quotes.

I don't know who I'm disagreeing with.

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe we can sort out these quotes.

I don't know who I'm disagreeing with.

Yes you do.

[greenginger]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230451]

Why do you need proof?

What difference does it make if the ankles belong to a man or a woman?


If these ankles are male the picture must have been taken at a Ladyboys of Bankok show !

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230453]


If these ankles are male the picture must have been taken at a Ladyboys of Bankok show !

Or in Thailand itself! :wink:

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230454]

Remind me who you are that I need to prove insignificant things to you?

What difference does it make now you know it's a man?

I'm the man who asked you to prove a statement you have made.

:confused: Do I know it's a man?

[Scouse Hibee]

Hibbyradge's explanation is good enough by me - no one on here is his judge.

But he can judge others!

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230457]

I'm the man who asked you to prove a statement you have made.

:confused: Do I know it's a man?

Yes, you know it's a man because I told you. Why would I lie?

However,

http://www.memehumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ladyboys-640x564.jpg

[Hibbyradge]

But he can judge others!

Hung by other's words. :hilarious

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230466]

Yes, you know it's a man because I told you. Why would I lie?

However,

http://www.memehumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ladyboys-640x564.jpg


To deflect criticism that your avatar could be construed as sexist and offensive to females!

[Hibbyradge]

[QUOTE=Hibbyradge;4230469]


To deflect criticism that your avatar could be construed as sexist and offensive to females!

:hilarious

In what way could a picture of a pair ankles, shoes and pants be construed as offensive to women?

It's a picture.

I've told you it's a man's ankles, but it could be a woman's, it could be CGI.

It can't be offensive though.

[Beefster]

It's a bloke.

Sorry to disappoint you.

I believe you. Those feet have always seemed too big to me. I like his choice of tangas though.

[sleeping giant]

:hilarious

In what way could a picture of a pair ankles, shoes and pants be construed as offensive to women?

It's a picture.

I've told you it's a man's ankles, but it could be a woman's, it could be CGI.

It can't be offensive though.

Well actually :greengrin I remember your thread about your avatar when you had lost the pic.

You said you were after the picture with the woman dropping her drawers.

I can't search from my phone though.

[greenginger]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;4230472]

:hilarious

In what way could a picture of a pair ankles, shoes and pants be construed as offensive to women?

It's a picture.

I've told you it's a man's ankles, but it could be a woman's, it could be CGI.

It can't be offensive though.


Its a free country. People can be offended at anything they want.

Trouble is, being offended has become an industry in this country.

[Scouse Hibee]

Pictures can't offend! :rolleyes:

[CapitalGreen]

Its a free country. People can be offended at anything they want.

Trouble is, being offended has become an industry in this country.

Has it or is this just another phrase like Political correctness gone mad that people say when they don't want to admit their own ignorance?

Thankfully, from my experience these views are generally held by older generations from my own and will die out with them.

[Hibbyradge]

Pictures can't offend! :rolleyes:

lol

I'm fairly certain that you know that wasn't the meaning behind my words, but I won't ask for proof.

As far as seeing things that aren't there, you're on fire today.

I don't know how well this will work on here, but here's another example of how your mind makes you perceive things that aren't real.

You agree that Square A and Square B are exactly the same shade of grey, don't you?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG

[Pete]

Well actually :greengrin I remember your thread about your avatar when you had lost the pic.

You said you were after the picture with the woman dropping her drawers.

I can't search from my phone though.

Maybe she was a woman back then and maybe he is now a man.

Are you deliberately trying to offend transgender people?

[Hibbyradge]

Well actually :greengrin I remember your thread about your avatar when you had lost the pic.

You said you were after the picture with the woman dropping her drawers.

I can't search from my phone though.

Thanks for your help! :greengrin

I don't remember asking for it like that, but if I did, I guess I must have realised that most folk imagined it was a woman.

How can anyone looking at it know if it's a man or a woman?

It is what it is. Ankles, shoes and kecks. That's all.

The rest is made up.

[SMAXXA]

Vincent Tan is a parasite on British football, the quicker we rid ourselves of him the better. All he is doing is trouble making and deflecting from his own failings with his club. Society is ****ed up if people are hounded out for life over comments they have said and I have in don't they dint mean in any racism context. If I said I'm having a chinky for tea it would be fine, but at the moment if someone in football said that it would be offensive. Too many arse holes try to take the moral high ground rather than offer up any form of redemption, rehabilitation or education. The kick it out campaign seem very quick to condem people but offer up very litte that society should be built around, take them to the stake and be done with them approach is a dangerous sign if where society is going.

may not be popular but that's my view on it and I'm being conservative and holding back what i think. Why can't football be about football and not the ched Evans, racism crap. Don't give it the media coverage and publicity and football would have a chance at being a better image and promoting the positive elements. Let people like Tan trouble make elsewhere. Wheelan should be commended for giving a man a second chance to redeem himself, openly admitting mistakes have been made and apologies have been issued.

[McIntosh]

But he can judge others! Only if he is a court of law

[greenginger]

Has it or is this just another phrase like Political correctness gone mad that people say when they don't want to admit their own ignorance?

Thankfully, from my experience these views are generally held by older generations from my own and will die out with them.


I am offended by your ageism ! :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Vincent Tan is a parasite on British football, the quicker we rid ourselves of him the better. All he is doing is trouble making and deflecting from his own failings with his club. Society is ****ed up if people are hounded out for life over comments they have said and I have in don't they dint mean in any racism context. If I said I'm having a chinky for tea it would be fine, but at the moment if someone in football said that it would be offensive. Too many arse holes try to take the moral high ground rather than offer up any form of redemption, rehabilitation or education. The kick it out campaign seem very quick to condem people but offer up very litte that society should be built around, take them to the stake and be done with them approach is a dangerous sign if where society is going.

may not be popular but that's my view on it and I'm being conservative and holding back what i think. Why can't football be about football and not the ched Evans, racism crap. Don't give it the media coverage and publicity and football would have a chance at being a better image and promoting the positive elements. Let people like Tan trouble make elsewhere. Wheelan should be commended for giving a man a second chance to redeem himself, openly admitting mistakes have been made and apologies have been issued.

But he didn't say he was having a chinky for his tea.

"*** chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."

[H18Y GW]

But he didn't say he was having a chinky for his tea.

"*** chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."

Im flabbergasted at that ,id actually reintroduce the death penalty and shredded chilli beef him to death:agree:

[H18Y GW]

The Black Police Association was a direct result of institutional racism within the Police especially the Met. This was a racism acknowledged in the courts not some jumped up sambos forming a wee private club.

As for the rest is this not a case of the white male (the least persecuted people ever) telling others how they should act and what they should be offended by.

Read it how you will,but this bit reeks of racism:agree:

[H18Y GW]

MacKay hasn't served any time there is an ongoing investigation. Some of your views are staggering to be honest.


:aok:

[Pretty Boy]

[/B]
Read it how you will,but this bit reeks of racism:agree:

Can one be racist against oneself?

[H18Y GW]

Can one be racist against oneself?


I wasnt sure,now i am .

[Hibbyradge]

[/B]
Read it how you will,but this bit reeks of racism:agree:

What is your definition of racism?

[Scouse Hibee]

lol

I'm fairly certain that you know that wasn't the meaning behind my words, but I won't ask for proof.

As far as seeing things that aren't there, you're on fire today.

I don't know how well this will work on here, but here's another example of how your mind makes you perceive things that aren't real.

You agree that Square A and Square B are exactly the same shade of grey, don't you?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG

Yawn, great effort to deflect attention away from your sexist avatar but you aint fooling me.

[emerald green]

Has it or is this just another phrase like Political correctness gone mad that people say when they don't want to admit their own ignorance?

Thankfully, from my experience these views are generally held by older generations from my own and will die out with them.

What "experience" would that be? That sounds like a very bold sweeping statement to me.

Please don't make the mistake of tarring whole generations with the same brush. It's nonsense. A schoolboy error, if I can use that expression!

[Hibbyradge]

Yawn, great effort to deflect attention away from your sexist avatar but you aint fooling me.

:thumbsup:

[Scouse Hibee]

:thumbsup:

Brilliant

[Hibbyradge]

Brilliant

Oh, you were being serious! I thought you were joking.

No, you're mistaken. The reason I posted the squares picture was simply to emphasise that what our brains tell us is real, isn't always the truth. I'm disappointed it bored you so much that you felt the need to type the word "yawn".

The truth is, you don't know whether the ankles in my avatar belong to a man or a woman, but you've allowed yourself to be manipulated by the stereotypes in your mind.

You've jumped to a conclusion. Or, at the very least, you've guessed.

Given that the ankles could belong to either a man or a woman, how can it be sexist?

It would be like saying that the male toilet sign is racist.

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/q/m/W/s/P/K/men-washroom-dark-blue-hi.png

[Scouse Hibee]

Oh, you were being serious! I thought you were joking.

No, you're mistaken. The reason I posted the squares picture was simply to emphasise that what our brains tell us is real, isn't always the truth. I'm disappointed it bored you so much that you felt the need to type the word "yawn".

The truth is, you don't know whether the ankles in my avatar belong to a man or a woman, but you've allowed yourself to be manipulated by the stereotypes in your mind.

You've jumped to a conclusion. Or, at the very least, you've guessed.

Given that the ankles could belong to either a man or a woman, how can it be sexist?

It would be like saying that the male toilet sign is racist.

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/q/m/W/s/P/K/men-washroom-dark-blue-hi.png


Here we go again, more smoke and mirrors!

[Hibbyradge]

Here we go again, more smoke and mirrors!

Brilliant!

[Scouse Hibee]

Brilliant!



Thank You!

[Hibbyradge]

Thank You!

That's better.

[Pretty Boy]

Can one be racist against oneself?

Ok cool. I mentioned males as well so can I assume I'm sexist against myself as well?

Bit of the self hating Jew about me?

[Pete]

Ok cool. I mentioned males as well so can I assume I'm sexist against myself as well?

Bit of the self hating Jew about me?

I wouldn't worry about it as you can obviously buy and sell these guys you are arguing with if you're Jewish.

But seriously, this thread has went a bit mad.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This thread has become a tad silly now. If i mention Hitler will that be enough to get it closed?

I share my birthday with Hitler, oh aye and Denise Richards!

[Scouse Hibee]

That's better.


Still in denial FFS let it go we all make mistakes man up!

[Scouse Hibee]

This thread has become a tad silly now. If i mention Hitler will that be enough to get it closed?

I share my birthday with Hitler, oh aye and Denise Richards!


I know a good Nazi salute if that's any help?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I know a good Nazi salute if that's any help?

Give the whole class a chance SH. If you all raise a hand if you have a suggestion I'll select the best from the room.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sorry, but as far as the tight-fistedness stereotypes go, I see no difference.


Yes, Jewish people have by far had worse persecution than Scots could even imagine but it does not make that one cliche any more or less serious.


Here in Germany, you would get into BIG trouble for saying anything a Jewish Person could find even vaguely offensive (for very understandable reasons) but when a shop wants to advertise how big a bargain something is, they invariably describe it as being "Schottenpreis" (Scottish Price), in reference to what a bunch of tight-fisted Gits we Scots are.

There's even a Website using the very word as its name http://www.schottenpreis.de/


That actually is racist. Cheeky bassas.

Anyway, we aren't tight, we'll just no be diddled :-D

[CapitalGreen]

What "experience" would that be? That sounds like a very bold sweeping statement to me.

Please don't make the mistake of tarring whole generations with the same brush. It's nonsense. A schoolboy error, if I can use that expression!

Please reread what I said again. In no way do I infer that all older people hold similar views. I inferred that those who I have experienced holding these views are generally of an older generation. What I did not say is that generally those of an older generation hold those views.

[greenginger]

Please reread what I said again. In no way do I infer that all older people hold similar views. I inferred that those who I have experienced holding these views are generally of an older generation. What I did not say is that generally those of an older generation hold those views.

Your exact words were,

" Thankfully, from my experience these views are generally held by older generations from my own and will die out with them ".

These views are generally held by older generations, now what are you saying you did'nt say ?

Besides which, generation's views tend change to with age. Who knows what you lot will turn into ! :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

At the risk of upsetting folk on here, I'm away to watch The Blacklist!

[hibbiedon]

One of the main issues that should be raised is that if these alleged text messages were personal and private how did Vincent tady or his agents get them, strange world we live in ex prime ministers can take the country into illegal wars and he becomes a multi millionaire somebody sends a private racist joke and people not only want him to be sacked but to prevent him from working again

[Beefster]

One of the main issues that should be raised is that if these alleged text messages were personal and private how did Vincent tady or his agents get them

It doesn't need raised. The texts were found by lawyers as part of an investigation into alleged misconduct by Mackay IIRC.

[marinello59]

One of the main issues that should be raised is that if these alleged text messages were personal and private how did Vincent tady or his agents get them, strange world we live in ex prime ministers can take the country into illegal wars and he becomes a multi millionaire somebody sends a private racist joke and people not only want him to be sacked but to prevent him from working again

Didn't he leave them on a club phone which he handed back? Stupid and racist. Since when did ''private" racism become acceptable by the way?

[Beefster]

Since when did ''private" racism become acceptable by the way?

Since the 'freedom of speech' argument didn't wash any more apparently.

[hibbiedon]

Didn't he leave them on a club phone which he handed back? Stupid and racist. Since when did ''private" racism become acceptable by the way?
Sorry did I say it was acceptable just like you did not say that the mass killings by Blair were acceptable

[marinello59]

Sorry did I say it was acceptable just like you did not say that the mass killings by Blair were acceptable
:confused:
You raised the privacy question.
The only person that mentioned Blair was you.

[Pretty Boy]

Since the 'freedom of speech' argument didn't wash any more apparently.

The thing about freedom of speech is that I've always qualified it as something that comes with a level of respobsibility.

Freedom of speech is meant to allow people to speak out against unfair working practices, criticise governement policy, argue for equal rights for women etc etc. I've never seen it as being an acceptable excuse for a racist to argue their right to keep calling a black person a '******' or a Chinese person a 'chinky' nor should it be used for the sectarian bigot to defend his right to call a Catholic a 'taig' or the sexist to defend his right to call a co worker 'sweetheart' and give her a friendly slap on the erse.

Given that in many instance such behaviour would be illegal it's only right that, as you say, the freedom of speech argument doesn't wash any more. It's just another easy go to line, similar to the 'PC brigade' or 'PC gone mad', that people use to deflect from their own prejudices and ignorance.

[emerald green]

Please reread what I said again. In no way do I infer that all older people hold similar views. I inferred that those who I have experienced holding these views are generally of an older generation. What I did not say is that generally those of an older generation hold those views.

Oh I think you inferred exactly that. I can only repeat the question raised by greenginger in post number 167.

Slightly off topic, but the same sort of comment (especially the bit about their views dying out with them) was fairly common amongst those who voted on the losing side in the referendum IIRC.

They were blaming/scapegoating older people for voting No as the reason they lost. Until of course it emerged that with the exception of one age group, all the other age groups including the youngest (16-25 I think), the majority voted No.


Your exact words were,

" Thankfully, from my experience these views are generally held by older generations from my own and will die out with them ".

These views are generally held by older generations, now what are you saying you did'nt say ?

Besides which, generation's views tend change to with age. Who knows what you lot will turn into ! :greengrin

:agree:

[CapitalGreen]

Oh I think you inferred exactly that. I can only repeat the question raised by greenginger in post number 167.

Fair enough, I've provided an explanation of how I meant that comment, it's up to you whether to believe it or not. This will be my last contribution to this point, better things to spend a Saturday doing.

[emerald green]

Fair enough, I've provided an explanation of how I meant that comment, it's up to you whether to believe it or not. This will be my last contribution to this point, better things to spend a Saturday doing.

OK CG, I agree.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I see Vincent Tan has accused the main man at Wigan of being lacist! :-)

[blackpoolhibs]

I see Vincent Tan has accused the main man at Wigan of being lacist! :-)

:faf: