Overtime Holiday Pay

[Betty Boop]

With the ruling this morning, that overtime is to be taken into account when calculating holiday pay, the Council and other employers will be forking out millions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896810

[danhibees1875]

It wasn't referenced in that article but I'm sure I read that it doesn't apply if you don't get paid for the overtime you do. Or has that been changed/ initially misreported / misread?

[Future17]

With the ruling this morning, that overtime is to be taken into account when calculating holiday pay, the Council and other employers will be forking out millions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896810

I think the suggestion is that it won't be backdated, although not sure how defensible that position is.


It wasn't referenced in that article but I'm sure I read that it doesn't apply if you don't get paid for the overtime you do. Or has that been changed/ initially misreported / misread?

Who doesn't get paid for overtime? :confused:

[danhibees1875]

I think the suggestion is that it won't be backdated, although not sure how defensible that position is.



Who doesn't get paid for overtime? :confused:
Haha plenty of people. Including me, unfortunately.

[#FromTheCapital]

I think the suggestion is that it won't be backdated, although not sure how defensible that position is.



Who doesn't get paid for overtime? :confused:

My old job used to pay us a salary and overtime was expected of us but not paid. I'm not talking a couple of hours here and there either. Every third Saturday morning, frequent early starts/late finishes and frequent working through lunch break. They had us by the balls. Thank **** I dont work there anymore. Makes me sick that I put up with that for so long.
Also just to add - the salary was sheeeite - 15k pa

[Pretty Boy]

I think the suggestion is that it won't be backdated, although not sure how defensible that position is.



Who doesn't get paid for overtime? :confused:

Me.

I earn a salary based on 40 hours a week, anything I do above that isn't paid although I can usually claim time in lieu.

[McD]

My old job used to pay us a salary and overtime was expected of us but not paid. I'm not talking a couple of hours here and there either. Every third Saturday morning, frequent early starts/late finishes and frequent working through lunch break. They had us by the balls. Thank **** I dont work there anymore. Makes me sick that I put up with that for so long.
Also just to add - the salary was sheeeite - 15k pa


Had a similar job, with a slightly (not much) higher salary, where I was working circa 60 hours a week. Thing is, I used to tell myself, can't complain, it's a reasonable salary so just got to get on with it.

Until a colleague pointed out, when we think about salaries, we tend to benchmark them as based on a roughly 40 hour week, so on that basis it's a reasonable salary, but I was working 50% more hours, so I really should take a 3rd off of it to get a true reflection! Didn't stay with it much longer, thank **** - love the job I do now

[#FromTheCapital]

My new job doesn't pay overtime either but I don't care because I get paid more and there's a bonus scheme - overtime isn't as expected either and we do usually gets made up to us.

[#FromTheCapital]

Had a similar job, with a slightly (not much) higher salary, where I was working circa 60 hours a week. Thing is, I used to tell myself, can't complain, it's a reasonable salary so just got to get on with it.

Until a colleague pointed out, when we think about salaries, we tend to benchmark them as based on a roughly 40 hour week, so on that basis it's a reasonable salary, but I was working 50% more hours, so I really should take a 3rd off of it to get a true reflection! Didn't stay with it much longer, thank **** - love the job I do now

Glad you've moved on. Imo they should be making laws against this kind of shoddy practice rather than holiday related ot pay.

The final straw for me was being told to **** off when I asked for a deserved rise.

[RyeSloan]

Me. I earn a salary based on 40 hours a week, anything I do above that isn't paid although I can usually claim time in lieu.

Can't remember the last time I had a job that paid overtime. Work till the job is done...I've worked until 2 in the morning and been back in at 9 the next day before. Not a penny or time in lieu was provided or expected!

Not sure I quite understand how you can get paid overtime for not working overtime but then I've never understood how you can accrue holidays when on maternity leave either!

I feel for the smaller employers that have to conform to these rules, saw a dude from the TUC being quite blasé about how 'companies can afford this quote easily'....such sweeping statements give me no comfort that he actually knows or cares if they can or not.

[Future17]

My old job used to pay us a salary and overtime was expected of us but not paid. I'm not talking a couple of hours here and there either. Every third Saturday morning, frequent early starts/late finishes and frequent working through lunch break. They had us by the balls. Thank **** I dont work there anymore. Makes me sick that I put up with that for so long.
Also just to add - the salary was sheeeite - 15k pa

Ah sorry, was misunderstanding the concept of overtime - should have read the article properly. I used to have a job like that, although not to that extreme. My current job is similar in that I work a lot of time at home which isn't recompensed. New job needed I think...


Can't remember the last time I had a job that paid overtime. Work till the job is done...I've worked until 2 in the morning and been back in at 9 the next day before. Not a penny or time in lieu was provided or expected!

Not sure I quite understand how you can get paid overtime for not working overtime but then I've never understood how you can accrue holidays when on maternity leave either!

I feel for the smaller employers that have to conform to these rules, saw a dude from the TUC being quite blasé about how 'companies can afford this quote easily'....such sweeping statements give me no comfort that he actually knows or cares if they can or not.

I suppose the concept that ties your last two paragraphs together is that employers who cannot afford to pay it are not running a viable business and are taking advantage of their employees.

[sambajustice]

Surely companies will just stop giving overtime out??

I dont think this is necessarily a good thing. Say you're working in a restaurant or a supermarket and you're banking on getting XX extra hours a month, will they (the employers) not be inclined just to stop overtime if they have to pay holidays thus having a negative effect on the employee who wants a few extra quid rather than the employee?

I can understand it would stop some companies/organisations putting unrealistic demands on their workers but I dont think it'll be a good thing for everyone!

[#FromTheCapital]

Surely companies will just stop giving overtime out??

I dont think this is necessarily a good thing. Say you're working in a restaurant or a supermarket and you're banking on getting XX extra hours a month, will they (the employers) not be inclined just to stop overtime if they have to pay holidays thus having a negative effect on the employee who wants a few extra quid rather than the employee?

I can understand it would stop some companies/organisations putting unrealistic demands on their workers but I dont think it'll be a good thing for everyone!

If anything they'll probably just put people on salary like I described in my earlier posts. They won't stop asking staff to do extra hours as a lot of companies depend on it, they might just put them on a crap salary and tell them to work ot regardless. This is what they should really be clamping down on.

[RyeSloan]

I suppose the concept that ties your last two paragraphs together is that employers who cannot afford to pay it are not running a viable business and are taking advantage of their employees.

Or employee costs over and above the cost of the salary the they receive are too great?

The more of these costs you add the less the employee will see in their wage packet and the less encouraged employers are to hire staff.

I'm not saying it's a one way street just that there needs to be some semblance of understanding that businesses can't simply magic these monies up...every action has a reaction and all that.

[Allant1981]

It only needs paid if it is guaranteed overtime, not just being asked every now and again for a shift. As for back dated pay, in my work place it has been agreed with unison that it will only be back dated from the time the initial query was made from the staff so it wont go back years

[McD]

Glad you've moved on. Imo they should be making laws against this kind of shoddy practice rather than holiday related ot pay.

The final straw for me was being told to **** off when I asked for a deserved rise.


Cheers mate :aok: mate same for you also 😊

Yeah it was one of these, 'oh you've now to do this task as well', several times over, then they cut back on the amount of hours that could be used for other staffing levels (meaning more of their workload fell onto me and my boss as the work still had to be done, you just couldn't share it out across as many people), followed by the hourly screaming phone calls from area managers, stupid rules being made up on the spot from the high heid yins like 'no you won't be paid extra on bank holidays, you can have it as lieu time, but it must be taken with 10 days of the actual bank holiday, and can't be tagged onto another day off (when you didn't get 2 together in the first place)', you need to go to head office for training so you can travel on your day off (no time in lieu or overtime), and many more. Was glad to see the company go down the spout, although sad for the few dr ends I had left still there who were made redundant.

[Betty Boop]

It only needs paid if it is guaranteed overtime, not just being asked every now and again for a shift. As for back dated pay, in my work place it has been agreed with unison that it will only be back dated from the time the initial query was made from the staff so it wont go back years

I'm sure it is three months that's the trigger, if the employer has not started to include holiday payments in your wage. The council are already paying .

[hibsbollah]

With the ruling this morning, that overtime is to be taken into account when calculating holiday pay, the Council and other employers will be forking out millions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896810

Particularly in view of the massive cuts the council is already having to make,Is this a good or a bad thing?

[danhibees1875]

Interesting to hear of similar stories of unpaid overtime woe.

I always thought that my job was in a minority to do it. Maybe it's more widespread than I thought. Doesn't make it any better when working up to twice what my contract states :greengrin

[Betty Boop]

Particularly in view of the massive cuts the council is already having to make,Is this a good or a bad thing?

All right for me in the run-up to Xmas, had overtime holiday pay on my last three wages. Maybe he Council should get rid of some of the top dogs, with their obscene bloated salaries.

[hibsbollah]

All right for me in the run-up to Xmas, had overtime holiday pay on my last three wages. Maybe he Council should get rid of some of the top dogs, with their obscene bloated salaries.

I agree with your last sentence. I worry that all these payouts are just going to speed up the closing down of swimming pools libraries and leisure centres though.