Johann Lamont to stand down

[lucky]

TSSA have declared for Neil Findlay. There is a chance that Labour can be saved from Blairite Murphy. A strong Labour Party is good for democracy in Scotland. The parliament was set up to ensure all voices would be heard not just one party

[stoneyburn hibs]

TSSA have not declared for Neil Findlay. There is a chance that Labour can be saved from Blairite Murphy. A strong Labour Party is good for democracy in Scotland. The parliament was set up to ensure all voices would be heard not just one party

A strong Labour party was good for democracy in Scotland, that ship has hopefully sailed, and all their own doing. I will be delighted if they are all but wiped out in Scotland come the next general election. Sorry to repeat it but they really are Tories with a red tie, more than ever now.

[Stranraer]

TSSA have not declared for Neil Findlay. There is a chance that Labour can be saved from Blairite Murphy. A strong Labour Party is good for democracy in Scotland. The parliament was set up to ensure all voices would be heard not just one party

The Parliament in Scotland was set up to make sure no party gets a majority. Then, the Scottish Labour party took a nosedive and the rest is history... like Labour in Scotland hopefully :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

TSSA have not declared for Neil Findlay. There is a chance that Labour can be saved from Blairite Murphy. A strong Labour Party is good for democracy in Scotland. The parliament was set up to ensure all voices would be heard not just one party

Family infighting to the fore again.:greengrin

[lord bunberry]

The Parliament in Scotland was set up to make sure no party gets a majority. Then, the Scottish Labour party took a nosedive and the rest is history... like Labour in Scotland hopefully :greengrin

There's no smiley that can sum up how much I agree with this post.

[lord bunberry]

A strong Labour party was good for democracy in Scotland, that ship has hopefully sailed, and all their own doing. I will be delighted if they are all but wiped out in Scotland come the next general election. Sorry to repeat it but they really are Tories with a red tie, more than ever now.

Yes yes yes and yes again.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Just seen Jimmy Murphy on Andrew Marr, seems to me he isn't thinking beyond next May. He's taken this gig to try and prevent a collapse in the number of Labour MPs from Scotland.

[degenerated]

Just seen Jimmy Murphy on Andrew Marr, seems to me he isn't thinking beyond next May. He's taken this gig to try and prevent a collapse in the number of Labour MPs from Scotland.
I thought that too but this article in the herald makes a lot of sense.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/scottish-politics/suspicions-deepen-as-better-together-team-members-back-murphy.25752863

[Phil D. Rolls]

I thought that too but this article in the herald makes a lot of sense.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/scottish-politics/suspicions-deepen-as-better-together-team-members-back-murphy.25752863

Could be a genuine mistake that the person taking the booking thought it was for Better Together, and that they weren't aware Better Together had disbanded.

What is really jumping out for me is that there is a huge issue about trust for Murphy.

[degenerated]

Could be a genuine mistake that the person taking the booking thought it was for Better Together, and that they weren't aware Better Together had disbanded.

What is really jumping out for me is that there is a huge issue about trust for Murphy.
I really hope that Murphy does get the gig. Labour and Murphy are just demonstrating how out of touch they are through having no idea just how disliked and divisive he is in Scotland.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I really hope that Murphy does get the gig. Labour and Murphy are just demonstrating how out of touch they are through having no idea just how disliked and divisive he is in Scotland.

Its jaw dropping isn't it. His triumphal behaviour on referendum night had GIRUY Scotland, written all over it.

[Moulin Yarns]

I really hope that Murphy does get the gig. Labour and Murphy are just demonstrating how out of touch they are through having no idea just how disliked and divisive he is in Scotland.


Not just in Scotland.

http://www.scottishpsc.org.uk/index.php/complicity/1967-till-today/political/the-right/tories-and-new-labour/1668-jim-murphy-champion-of-apartheid

[Stranraer]

Not just in Scotland.

http://www.scottishpsc.org.uk/index.php/complicity/1967-till-today/political/the-right/tories-and-new-labour/1668-jim-murphy-champion-of-apartheid

Even more ammo for the next election :greengrin 2 polls showing Labour may be wiped out and I won't be in Scotland to see it!

[Hiber-nation]

I really hope that Murphy does get the gig. Labour and Murphy are just demonstrating how out of touch they are through having no idea just how disliked and divisive he is in Scotland.

Definitely. He must think that if the Scottish public are conned into voting no, they'll be conned into voting for a right-wing led Scottish Labour. This is different Jimmy.

[Beefster]

A cynical poster might suggest that some folk fear Murphy getting the gig so are protesting way too much.

I'm not cynical thankfully.

[Phil D. Rolls]

A cynical poster might suggest that some folk fear Murphy getting the gig so are protesting way too much.

I'm not cynical thankfully.

Any fears I had were removed this morning. It seems that we'll see plenty footage of Murphy on his soap box, accompanied by well loved figures like Darling, or Reid.

[Mon Dieu4]

Just seen Jimmy Murphy on Andrew Marr, seems to me he isn't thinking beyond next May. He's taken this gig to try and prevent a collapse in the number of Labour MPs from Scotland.

Only thing I took from the interview on Andrew Marr today was he is **** scared of the SNP, he's there to talk himself up about being the head honcho but used a fair bit of his air time sniping Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon instead

[Phil D. Rolls]

Only thing I took from the interview on Andrew Marr today was he is **** scared of the SNP, he's there to talk himself up about being the head honcho but used a fair bit of his air time sniping Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon instead

I take it they're not from council schemes in Glasgow, as he felt it necessary to remind us he is.

[Peevemor]

13738

[degenerated]

A cynical poster might suggest that some folk fear Murphy getting the gig so are protesting way too much.

I'm not cynical thankfully.
Perhaps you could take it at face value in that a lot of people who would previously have voted Labour find Murphy to represent everything they currently think abhorrent about them.

I'd be more concerned if someone who appears to represent what Labour were supposed to be about like Neil Findlay got the gig.

[Stranraer]

13738

:faf: that is comedy gold, it really is. I hope they elect him!

[degenerated]

13738
This could be history in the making. The first time a rat has boarded a sinking ship :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Just seen Jimmy Murphy on Andrew Marr, seems to me he isn't thinking beyond next May. He's taken this gig to try and prevent a collapse in the number of Labour MPs from Scotland.

He's there because Milliband and Alexander hate him and want him sidelined. He's calculating he can't possibly do any worse than Lamont so he might as well keep his profile up with improved Scottish results while Ed crashes and disappears without trace.

Probably what Murphy fears most is actually being elected FM in the backwaters!

[BroxburnHibee]

And now Darling resigns as well.

Wipeout next year looks likely

[Moulin Yarns]

Some history of Jim Murphy that is interesting.


http://www.parliament.uk/edm/1995-96/991

You naughty boy.

[degenerated]

And now Darling resigns as well.

Wipeout next year looks likely
probably so he can take up a seat in the house of lords as his prize for helping ensure Scotland remained in the union.

[lucky]

BFWU and TSSA now supporting Neil Findlay for Labour Leader. As for Murphy he popular with some but the reality he has very little substance

[JeMeSouviens]

BFWU and TSSA now supporting Neil Findlay for Labour Leader. As for Murphy he popular with some but the reality he has very little substance

Where does NF stand on devo? Max-ish or Nano-ish?

[lucky]

Where does NF stand on devo? Max-ish or Nano-ish?

He's a Devo max man. But believes the members of the Smith commission should be allowed to try agree a negotiated position on more powers rather than him leading the way. I believe he will say as much at his campaign launch on Saturday

[lucky]

UCATT and the NUM both backing Findlay. I'm hearing Unite and UCATT are also going declare Findlay

On the elected members Boyack 10 Findlay 11 Murphy 27 nominations

It would appear that Labour MPs/MSPs really don't get the need for real change. But the reality is the Scottish people will punish them at the ballot box unless their is real change

[allmodcons]

UCATT and the NUM both backing Findlay. I'm hearing Unite and UCATT are also going declare Findlay

On the elected members Boyack 10 Findlay 11 Murphy 27 nominations

It would appear that Labour MPs/MSPs really don't get the need for real change. But the reality is the Scottish people will punish them at the ballot box unless their is real change

Can you remind me how the voting system works?
Is it one third unions, one third members and one third elected (Scottish) members?
Will Sarah Boyack fall out of race if she fails to secure 11 nominations?
Do you think Neil Findlay can win?

As an aside, I'm pleased to see at least you are getting the bit in bold. IMO too many elected members seem to think a change of leader = improved electoral results!

[lucky]

Sarah Boyacks votes transfer on second preferences if she finish bottom and no other has an over majority in total. The 3 electrol colleges are elected members, affiliated unions and societies and Labour Party members. Each is worth the same 33,3%. Clearly Murphy is ahead in the elected members whilst Neil is way out in front on the affiliates side. It would appear Sarah and her supporters could decide who the next leader is on their second preference

[JeMeSouviens]

Way Forward After Scottish Referendum: 1 Neil Fin…: http://youtu.be/0b0oM4arNro

This guy actually sounds like a labour politician, so probably has no chance. :-)
Mind you, he stops short of actually advocating anything beyond the extremely timid Milliband window dressing.

Murphy is a total and utter slime bucket who fits all the Nulab stereotypes that Scotland shows signs of rejecting.

Bit of a watershed moment?

[lucky]

Your being a bit harsh on Neil. I agree this is a defining moment in Scottish Labours history. If Murphy wins then I think it's game over for SLP. I would expect some unions to disaffiliate from the party. If anyone is interested in donating to Neil's campaign you can do so via PayPal at
[email protected]

[allmodcons]

Way Forward After Scottish Referendum: 1 Neil Fin…: http://youtu.be/0b0oM4arNro

This guy actually sounds like a labour politician, so probably has no chance. :-)
Mind you, he stops short of actually advocating anything beyond the extremely timid Milliband window dressing.

Murphy is a total and utter slime bucket who fits all the Nulab stereotypes that Scotland shows signs of rejecting.

Bit of a watershed moment?


Your being a bit harsh on Neil. I agree this is a defining moment in Scottish Labours history. If Murphy wins then I think it's game over for SLP. I would expect some unions to disaffiliate from the party. If anyone is interested in donating to Neil's campaign you can do so via PayPal at
[email protected]

"A bit harsh on Neil" but, presumably, fair comment on Murphy?

[lucky]

"A bit harsh on Neil" but, presumably, fair comment on Murphy?

I'm not a fan of his but to be fair he's not overly complimentary about me. If Murphy wins I worry for the future of the party in Scotland

[steakbake]

I'm not a fan of his but to be fair he's not overly complimentary about me. If Murphy wins I worry for the future of the party in Scotland

Agreed, it would be a backward step and I really hope it doesn't happen.

[Phil D. Rolls]

And now Darling resigns as well.

Wipeout next year looks likely

Darling kind of knows he has no chance of being re elected.


This could be history in the making. The first time a rat has boarded a sinking ship

[steakbake]

Jim Murphy taking full advantage of the second home rental expenses.

[degenerated]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/04/90a9f757f44fb567b1e369876b732c20.jpg

[lucky]

Now this contest is getting interesting. Unite have nominated Neil Findlay. Clear split between unions and MPs/MSPs. This could turn nasty. If unions feel they are not being listen too they could withdraw funding or disaffiliate

[DaveF]

Now this contest is getting interesting. Unite have nominated Neil Findlay. Clear split between unions and MPs/MSPs. This could turn nasty. If unions feel they are not being listen too they could withdraw funding or disaffiliate

Do you think Labour top brass actually care about the Unions and what they think? I'd love to see a major union such as Unite give them a boot up the erchie by withdrawing support but I don't think they have the bottle to. In the meantime Labour will continue to take them for granted as a source of income.

[DaveF]

lucky - Why hasn't Gordon Brown appeared on this list?

http://labourlist.org/2014/11/nominations-for-scottish-labour-leader-and-deputy-leadership/

I would have thought all elected members would want to take part?

[Moulin Yarns]

Is this like the football managers vote of confidence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29935172

[lucky]

lucky - Why hasn't Gordon Brown appeared on this list?

http://labourlist.org/2014/11/nominations-for-scottish-labour-leader-and-deputy-leadership/

I would have thought all elected members would want to take part?

These are just nominations. Votes are private. GB and ours have chosen not to nominate

[lucky]

Do you think Labour top brass actually care about the Unions and what they think? I'd love to see a major union such as Unite give them a boot up the erchie by withdrawing support but I don't think they have the bottle to. In the meantime Labour will continue to take them for granted as a source of income.

I think that may happen. I know a number see this is the last chance saloon for the Scottish Labour party

[degenerated]

Strange that this amongst the bold Jim's first promises.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/jim-murphy-id-scrap-snps-anti-sectarian-football-bill.1415202733
You would get the impression he supports one of the old firm from this.

[degenerated]

I think that may happen. I know a number see this is the last chance saloon for the Scottish Labour party
I think they had their final drink in that saloon whilst celebrating with their unionist and loyalist buddies about conning Scotland.

[lucky]

I think they had their final drink in that saloon whilst celebrating with their unionist and loyalist buddies about conning Scotland.

That's your opinion but I'm not convinced that it's as bad as the media are making out. I do find it interesting Salmond lost and the SNP are electing a new leader and deputy but Labour were on the winning side and are electing a new leader and deputy. Labour have been the mainstay of Scottish politics for most of the last 30 years, but in true labour fashion it's turning on its self

[Hibrandenburg]

That's your opinion but I'm not convinced that it's as bad as the media are making out. I do find it interesting Salmond lost and the SNP are electing a new leader and deputy but Labour were on the winning side and are electing a new leader and deputy. Labour have been the mainstay of Scottish politics for most of the last 30 years, but in true labour fashion it's turning on its self

45% of the Scottish electorate wanted independence and Labour were the most prominent party campaigning against, there's no way they'll get many votes from that section of the population. Add to that there's a growing number of Labour supporters who've now realised they've been had and it looks pretty bleak for Labour in Scotland.

I don't get this party allegiance trite anyway, I'll vote for the candidate who can deliver what I want and not out of any allegiance to some sort of political club whose own interests will always come before those of the electorate.

[marinello59]

45% of the Scottish electorate wanted independence and Labour were the most prominent party campaigning against, there's no way they'll get many votes from that section of the population. Add to that there's a growing number of Labour supporters who've now realised they've been had and it looks pretty bleak for Labour in Scotland.

I don't get this party allegiance trite anyway, I'll vote for the candidate who can deliver what I want and not out of any allegiance to some sort of political club whose own interests will always come before those of the electorate.

I feel exactly the same.

[JimBHibees]

Quite amusing this morning Ben Bradshaw complaining about the Conservative press in relation to negativity about Miliband as leader. Yet was more than willing to ride that particular horse during the referendum. You reap what you sow.

[lucky]

45% of the Scottish electorate wanted independence and Labour were the most prominent party campaigning against, there's no way they'll get many votes from that section of the population. Add to that there's a growing number of Labour supporters who've now realised they've been had and it looks pretty bleak for Labour in Scotland.

I don't get this party allegiance trite anyway, I'll vote for the candidate who can deliver what I want and not out of any allegiance to some sort of political club whose own interests will always come before those of the electorate.


I understand your point but I don't believe the "45" will hold it against Labour long term. Politics is more than the constitution. The real challenge for Strugeon is to get on and prove she is a capable FM. If that happens and the SNP continue to dominate in elections then there will be another referendum. Interestingly the last poll had Yes on 51% which is less than what the snp are polling. So clearly the SNP have job to do convince their own supporters on the merits of Independence

[degenerated]

Quite amusing this morning Ben Bradshaw complaining about the Conservative press in relation to negativity about Miliband as leader. Yet was more than willing to ride that particular horse during the referendum. You reap what you sow.
My favourite one of late was some roaster of a political polls expert on good morning Scotland the other day who stated that "the English people are now of a mind to forgive and forget, and move on after the referendum"

[steakbake]

I feel exactly the same.

Does the a Labour Party in Scotland think the same way? Time and again over the last few weeks, those politicians interviewed have banged on about their responsibility to 'the party', serving the party, focussing on the party. Labour is a political party that is more interested in "the party" than in the people who voted for it or for those it would seek to represent. Murphy will epitomise this if he wins - the party will tell the people what's good for them and what they need.

What about these politician's responsibilities, service to and focus on the electorate?

Labour have this bizarre 'herd' mentality.

[HiBremian]

I understand your point but I don't believe the "45" will hold it against Labour long term. Politics is more than the constitution. The real challenge for Strugeon is to get on and prove she is a capable FM. If that happens and the SNP continue to dominate in elections then there will be another referendum. Interestingly the last poll had Yes on 51% which is less than what the snp are polling. So clearly the SNP have job to do convince their own supporters on the merits of Independence

"Politics is more than the constitution". Agree, and the problem for the Labour Party is their policies are geared to South East England voters, and not the somewhat more progressive Scottish electorate. Until there is a Scottish Labour Party with the freedom to shape its own policies for its own electorate the decline will continue. But what surprises me is the ongoing success of the left-right policies of the SNP. Perhaps Sturgeon, along with all these new members, will ditch some of the more, ahem, business-friendly policies like reducing corporation tax. But their standing seems remarkably high in the polls if the constitution isn't everything. It's now established, even Hibs.net fact, that the party with the most popular policies are, appropriately, those of the Greens. It's just that this agreement about policies has yet to translate into the kind of landslide victory they deserve. The power of the MSM, eh ;-)


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[Phil D. Rolls]

I understand your point but I don't believe the "45" will hold it against Labour long term. Politics is more than the constitution. The real challenge for Strugeon is to get on and prove she is a capable FM. If that happens and the SNP continue to dominate in elections then there will be another referendum. Interestingly the last poll had Yes on 51% which is less than what the snp are polling. So clearly the SNP have job to do convince their own supporters on the merits of Independence

Im sure Tories were saying similar in 1979. Bottle out genie of.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Never mind Labour, did anyone actually listen to Cameron regarding the 1.7b Bill?

Encouraged British citizen.