Ian "I'm an MP" Murray

[Leith Mo]

Probably best on another forum just not sure which one. Anyway regardless of your views on the result last night I was seething to hear him tell Tommy Sheridan that employers had the right to write to staff telling them which way to vote at risk of losing their jobs and it wasn't in the context of a perceived wider risk he actually agreed that the bosses can threaten people in this way. What a f***** w*****. They are welcome to him

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

His constituency office is painted Green and White, he must love extracting the urine!

[Kato]

Probably best on another forum just not sure which one. Anyway regardless of your views on the result last night I was seething to hear him tell Tommy Sheridan that employers had the right to write to staff telling them which way to vote at risk of losing their jobs and it wasn't in the context of a perceived wider risk he actually agreed that the bosses can threaten people in this way. What a f***** w*****. They are welcome to him

Murray is Labour, right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

Murray is Labour, right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'm not even sure what 'being Labour' means anymore.

A snivelling, crawling, opportunistic, career orientated rat would probably be accurate.

[Kato]

I'm not even sure what 'being Labour' means anymore.

A snivelling, crawling, opportunistic, career orientated rat would probably be accurate.

Gangsters.

[MyJo]

I'm not even sure what 'being Labour' means anymore.

A snivelling, crawling, opportunistic, career orientated rat would probably be accurate.

New labour. Tories that couldn't quite afford to go to Eton.

[Kato]

New labour. Tories that couldn't quite afford to go to Eton.

.....but fancied some of that gravy train.

Adopting the toofs boorishness just gives him away though.

Would like to see that exchange.

[JeMeSouviens]

Labour politicians running scares about 2% drop in share prices. We really did get to see it all, didn't we?

[One Day Soon]

.....but fancied some of that gravy train.

Adopting the toofs boorishness just gives him away though.

Would like to see that exchange.


I did and I'm pretty sure that is not what was said.

[One Day Soon]

Labour politicians running scares about 2% drop in share prices. We really did get to see it all, didn't we?

SNP politicians threatening re-nationalisation and condoning mobs wanting BBC journalists sacked for having the cheek to want Salmond to answer questions. We really did get to see it all, didn't we?

[JeMeSouviens]

SNP politicians threatening re-nationalisation and condoning mobs wanting BBC journalists sacked for having the cheek to want Salmond to answer questions. We really did get to see it all, didn't we?

I'll judged tactics born of frustration for sure. Not exactly the blatant sell out of the likes of I'm An MP.

Mind you, after what Jim Murphy did to the NUS, no depth of sellout should be a surprise.

[One Day Soon]

I'll judged tactics born of frustration for sure. Not exactly the blatant sell out of the likes of I'm An MP.

Mind you, after what Jim Murphy did to the NUS, no depth of sellout should be a surprise.

The SNP have been in power for 7 years and don't have a single redistributive policy.

Mind you, after what they did to the Tayside cleaners, school class sizes and putting less into the NHS than even the Tories, no depth of sellout should be a surprise.

[DaveF]

The SNP have been in power for 7 years and don't have a single redistributive policy.

Mind you, after what they did to the Tayside cleaners, school class sizes and putting less into the NHS than even the Tories, no depth of sellout should be a surprise.

Ideally, they should just forget fiscal policy, spent money they didn't have, rack up billions and billions of debt and then blamed it on whoever comes in next to pick up said mess. That's what all Labo...er, I mean big governments do.

[One Day Soon]

Ideally, they should just forget fiscal policy, spent money they didn't have, rack up billions and billions of debt and then blamed it on whoever comes in next to pick up said mess. That's what all Labo...er, I mean big governments do.

That is a really pathetic reply. There's money to stuff people's mouths with Council Tax freezes (which hugely benefit the rich) but no money for anything redistributive? In 7 years.

They couldn't give a 5hit about Social Justice.

[The Harp Awakes]

That is a really pathetic reply. There's money to stuff people's mouths with Council Tax freezes (which hugely benefit the rich) but no money for anything redistributive? In 7 years.

They couldn't give a 5hit about Social Justice.

I'm not sure your own political persuasion but I hope you are not a Labour supporter giving a lecture on social justice. The Labour Party gave that up 20+ years ago and is now in bed with the Tories. A truly despicable bunch of politicians who will soon become more hated than the Tories in Scotland.

[steakbake]

Scotland 2014 programme:

Cameron has Miliband by the baws by attaching the West Lothian question to the "new powers".

Miliband wants the WL question answered by an extensive public consultation but wants a slightly different but weaker set of powers to go through for Scotland.

Fk knows what the LibDems think and who even cares - UKIP are with Cameron.

Miliband either has to agree and rush implementing to Browns timetable and according to Cameron's plan. Or he stands firm, blows the timetable out the water, effectively shafting the voters of England and Scotland at the same time, 9 months away from a UK General Election.

No wonder the girl from Better Together looked depressed.

Yesterday's vote settled the question only in the short term, I think.

[Mibbes Aye]

The SNP have been in power for 7 years and don't have a single redistributive policy.

Mind you, after what they did to the Tayside cleaners, school class sizes and putting less into the NHS than even the Tories, no depth of sellout should be a surprise.


Ideally, they should just forget fiscal policy, spent money they didn't have, rack up billions and billions of debt and then blamed it on whoever comes in next to pick up said mess. That's what all Labo...er, I mean big governments do.


I'm not sure your own political persuasion but I hope you are not a Labour supporter giving a lecture on social justice. The Labour Party gave that up 20+ years ago and is now in bed with the Tories. A truly despicable bunch of politicians who will soon become more hated than the Tories in Scotland.

DaveF and The Harp Awakes

Why not just answer ODS's points instead of deflecting?

[DaveF]

Mibbes, why should I. Practically every post on here by someone with a political agenda is a deflection of some sort.

The bottom line is every party introduces populist policies. That's hardly a shock to the system is it, and you and ODS know it. My last post was called pathetic but was it wrong? Did the last UK Labour govt rack up billions of debt pursuing populist policies or not.

The whole thing is a sham and a lie. A bit like the 3 leaders pledge. For us minions, its just about who you think lies the least.

[Colr]

Mibbes, why should I. Practically every post on here by someone with a political agenda is a deflection of some sort.

The bottom line is every party introduces populist policies. That's hardly a shock to the system is it, and you and ODS know it. My last post was called pathetic but was it wrong? Did the last UK Labour govt rack up billions of debt pursuing populist policies or not.

The whole thing is a sham and a lie. A bit like the 3 leaders pledge. For us minions, its just about who you think lies the least.

Kind of. Most of the debt was racked up post crash keeping the economy out of the abyss. The current Labour left don't fight back on this issue as they want to keep the blame on New Labour for that and their other hobby horse, Iraq. People's Front of Judea, anyone?

[DaveF]

DaveF , Why not just answer ODS's points instead of deflecting?

Another thing - Both you and ODS appear to think I'm sort of rabid SNP supporter, when I'm not. I don't think free prescriptions are particularly helpful at all. I'm not a political animal like you 2 who seem to think Labour = Good, everyone else = Bad. In that regard its kind of pointless entering a discussion with you as you clearly have the red blinkers on.


Kind of. Most of the debt was racked up post crash keeping the economy out of the abyss. The current Labour left don't fight back on this issue as they want to keep the blame on New Labour for that and their other hobby horse, Iraq. People's Front of Judea, anyone?

I'm sure it was. That same economic abyss which the financial sector got us into under the stewardship of G Brown.

[Scottie]

Mibbes, why should I. Practically every post on here by someone with a political agenda is a deflection of some sort.

The bottom line is every party introduces populist policies. That's hardly a shock to the system is it, and you and ODS know it. My last post was called pathetic but was it wrong? Did the last UK Labour govt rack up billions of debt pursuing populist policies or not.

The whole thing is a sham and a lie. A bit like the 3 leaders pledge. For us minions, its just about who you think lies the least.

Good post Dave

Through all the bull**** and bluster and after the dust starts to settle we are still a country with a crippling debt with more austerity cuts to come our way by being part of the Uk overspending state.

No wonder the 3 amigos came squealing up the road begging the Scottish people to stay. We really are the most subservient country in the world with no ambition whatsoever.

We had such a chance as a nation to change history and the future for the better on Thursday but the majority chose not to for some reason only known to them to stay in the over fed bloated superstate benefit culture state of Great England.

People friends and aquentencies i have spoken to down In England are pissing themselves at us that we the proud nation that we are had the chance and the democratic right for democracy in our OWN hands and refused it point blank. They are absolutely astonished and bewildered the same as I am.

[Colr]

I'm sure it was. That same economic abyss which the financial sector got us into under the stewardship of G Brown.

This is undeniable. A ****storm created on both sides of the Atlantic and both sides of the border.

[One Day Soon]

The SNP have been in power for 7 years and don't have a single redistributive policy.

Mind you, after what they did to the Tayside cleaners, school class sizes and putting less into the NHS than even the Tories, no depth of sellout should be a surprise.


Anyone? Anyone at all?

[One Day Soon]

Another thing - Both you and ODS appear to think I'm sort of rabid SNP supporter, when I'm not. I don't think free prescriptions are particularly helpful at all. I'm not a political animal like you 2 who seem to think Labour = Good, everyone else = Bad. In that regard its kind of pointless entering a discussion with you as you clearly have the red blinkers on.



I'm sure it was. That same economic abyss which the financial sector got us into under the stewardship of G Brown.

1. FWIW I don't think you are a Nat.
2. I'm both a supporter and a critic of Labour - increasingly I'm underwhelmed by all parties.
3. The recession was banking led and was global. There's barely an advanced nation in the world that doesn't bear some share of responsibility for it. Those who try to label it as singly made in Britain by Gordon Brown are either parroting what they have heard elsewhere or deliberately lying for political reasons.

[DaveF]

1. FWIW I don't think you are a Nat.
2. I'm both a supporter and a critic of Labour - increasingly I'm underwhelmed by all parties.
3. The recession was banking led and was global. There's barely an advanced nation in the world that doesn't bear some share of responsibility for it. Those who try to label it as singly made in Britain by Gordon Brown are either parroting what they have heard elsewhere or deliberately lying for political reasons.

I didn't say that ODS, but he and Labour were very happy to take the credit for saving the Banks, but not so quick to take any part of the blame for the de-regulation which occurred under his tenure.

I'm out of here now. Lunchtime calls :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

The SNP have been in power for 7 years and don't have a single redistributive policy.

Mind you, after what they did to the Tayside cleaners, school class sizes and putting less into the NHS than even the Tories, no depth of sellout should be a surprise.

I'm not an SNP member or supporter but I agree they have sold out on their left wing rhetoric as well.

I've never been very politically active, but the closest was as a student on anti poll tax demos and non-payment and marches against loans replacing grants. Funnily enough saw quite a bit of Jim Murphy at that time and was semi friendly with his sidekick Dougie Trainer (wonder what happened to him?) so I know for sure the depth of his sellout when he went on to be Pres of the NUS.

I am a nationalist in the sense I've always thought Scotland should run its own affairs. I don't believe we're any better than anyone else but everyone should take responsibility for themselves. In the 90s when Indy was a distant dream I viewed Labour devo and SNP gradualism as essentially equivalent and voted for both at various times. Labour at every Westminster election bar the last one (Iraq). Voted for Margo in last 2 holyrood lists. Disappointed in rightward drift of SNP, even more so with Lab. Disgusted with their Indyref tactics.

[JeMeSouviens]

That is a really pathetic reply. There's money to stuff people's mouths with Council Tax freezes (which hugely benefit the rich) but no money for anything redistributive? In 7 years.

They couldn't give a 5hit about Social Justice.

So, firstly, I agree about the CTF. Not so sure on the other things they get hammered on, ie. tuition fees and prescriptions. There isn't exactly a huge scope for redistribution at Holyrood either, is there?

However, as much as Labour (UK) did some admirable work on alleviating poverty, I'm not sure it counts as redistributive if you aren't actually taking any money from the rich and in fact, income disparity is widening?