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[Hibrandenburg]

No it doesn't.



Right, how does the world condemning both sides lead to an equitable solution to the conflict? How is that a better option than insisting upon the application of international law?

It's got to be better than your solution to let Hamas continue to fire rockets at Israel because it's apparently legal for them to do so. No country in the world would tolerate having rockets fired at them from outside their borders without retaliating.

The world taking sides and arming both sides is just as nuts. The only way this conflict can be resolved is to withdraw all support to both sides, supporting one or the other only fans the flames. International law doesn't work because it's ignored by both sides. Condemnation of one side only leads to the other feeling justified in their actions.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ah, the old 'human shield' argument again. Its as old as the hills, used by Hitler to justify bombing the east end cockneys. It makes as little sense now as it does then, especially in Gaza, one of the most densely populated strips of urban land in the world. There isnt the physical space for Hamas to operate like a chivalrous army on equal terms with Israeli warships nuclear missiles tanks and depleted uranium shells (not to mention nuclear missiles).And of course, even if its true its an irrelevant argument, under the terms of the Geneva Convention its the responsibility of the attacking army to ensure civilians are protected.

glad someone mentioned nuclear weapons (or deterrent as some people refer to it) it shows how much of a deterrent they are when they haven't stopped Hamas launching conventional weapons at Israel. Is that not sufficient proof that Trident is worthless?

[hibsbollah]

So you're saying that Hamas don't use schools, mosques and public buildings to store and fire their missiles at Israel, it's just all Israeli propaganda?

Propaganda is everywhere.

I'm saying the 'human shield' defence is, by definition, no defence at all, whether the propagandist is Hitler, Churchill, George Dubya or Netanyahu.

[LiverpoolHibs]

It's got to be better than your solution to let Hamas continue to fire rockets at Israel because it's apparently legal for them to do so. No country in the world would tolerate having rockets fired at them from outside their borders without retaliating.

That's not my solution though, is it, you're imagining things. I just pointed out that the constant right-to-self-defence for apologias for Israel are legally, as well as morally corrupt.


The world taking sides and arming both sides is just as nuts. The only way this conflict can be resolved is to withdraw all support to both sides, supporting one or the other only fans the flames. International law doesn't work because it's ignored by both sides. Condemnation of one side only leads to the other feeling justified in their actions.

This is bull****, no-one is arming Hamas - Gaza is hermetically sealed - whereas the greatest military powers in the world are arming Israel to the hilt.

International law is not ignored by both sides. International law is overwhelmingly on the side of the Palestinians, either you care about that or you don't. Arguments like yours exacerbate the conflict, they don't help to solve it. Insisting that Israel abides by international law is the only way to move forward.

[stoneyburn hibs]

That's not my solution though, is it, you're imagining things. I just pointed out that the constant right-to-self-defence for apologias for Israel are legally, as well as morally corrupt.



This is bull****, no-one is arming Hamas - Gaza is hermetically sealed - whereas the greatest military powers in the world are arming Israel to the hilt.

International law is not ignored by both sides. International law is overwhelmingly on the side of the Palestinians, either you care about that or you don't. Arguments like yours exacerbate the conflict, they don't help to solve it. Insisting that Israel abides by international law is the only way to move forward.

Nobody is arming Hamas ? Aye ok.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Nobody is arming Hamas ? Aye ok.

OK, who's arming them?

[Hibrandenburg]

That's not my solution though, is it, you're imagining things. I just pointed out that the constant right-to-self-defence for apologias for Israel are legally, as well as morally corrupt.



This is bull****, no-one is arming Hamas - Gaza is hermetically sealed - whereas the greatest military powers in the world are arming Israel to the hilt.

International law is not ignored by both sides. International law is overwhelmingly on the side of the Palestinians, either you care about that or you don't. Arguments like yours exacerbate the conflict, they don't help to solve it. Insisting that Israel abides by international law is the only way to move forward.

Aye ok then, you'll be telling us next it's homemade fireworks they're firing off in the direction of Tel Aviv.

[stoneyburn hibs]

OK, who's arming them?

Iran.

[Jack]

OK, who's arming them?

The Israelis themselves.

The sticks and stones the kids are throwing at the Israelis tanks probably come from the blown up schools and hospitals.

[hibsbollah]

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/14560
Chomsky.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Aye ok then, you'll be telling us next it's homemade fireworks they're firing off in the direction of Tel Aviv.

If you don't want to have the debate, don't have it. But it's fairly pointless discussing this if you're just going to ignore anything I say and move off in a different direction.


Iran.

Are they? Why are they supplying them with ineffective weapons?

[stoneyburn hibs]

If you don't want to have the debate, don't have it. But it's fairly pointless discussing this if you're just going to ignore anything I say and move off in a different direction.



Are they? Why are they supplying them with ineffective weapons?

Yes they are,probably not the only ones too. I don't know why they are supplying ineffective weapons though.

[HappyAsHellas]

In general terms, people do not buy ineffective weapons. During the Iran/Iraq war it was all very civil. The west supplies one side and the commies the other, lots of sales all round. The gulf war was seen as an excellent proving ground for the functionality of the east/west weapons against each other - more sales all round. Israel and Hammas, let me guess - two sides supplying arms again at outrageous profits - lovely - it's a win win situation, and us wringing our hands in despair as we look for a solution will prove entirely futile.

[(((Fergus)))]

30 minutes of insight and wisdom (IMHO) from an Arab Christian diplomat from Jaffa:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m6ux-IeNo4

[Just Alf]

30 minutes of insight and wisdom (IMHO) from an Arab Christian diplomat from Jaffa:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m6ux-IeNo4

That WASN'T 30 minutes of my life lost.... :aok:

[Stranraer]

Proudly now have an anti-Israel badge which I wear with pride.

[over the line]

glad someone mentioned nuclear weapons (or deterrent as some people refer to it) it shows how much of a deterrent they are when they haven't stopped Hamas launching conventional weapons at Israel. Is that not sufficient proof that Trident is worthless?

But surely nuclear weapons are primarily (if not exclusively) designed/exist to be a deterrent against the use of nuclear weapons from another nuclear state aren't they? They are never going to stop all forms of aggression and warfare are they? Your point is a bit like saying that the army should throw away their rifles because a soldier got punched by someone, or we should do away with tanks because people still throw stones at them.

[Betty Boop]

Proudly now have an anti-Israel badge which I wear with pride.


Hope you've got :tin hat: on !

[HappyAsHellas]

Proudly now have an anti-Israel badge which I wear with pride.

Why oh why would you do such a thing?

[over the line]

Why oh why would you do such a thing?

Because badges stop bombs, everybody knows that! ;):)

[Pete]

Because badges make you more interesting, everybody knows that! ;):)

:agree: