Can Scotland be like Costa Rica?

[Wilbur]

Does anyone think that with Strachan in charge, that Scotland can go on and do well in a major tournament? On the back of the way Costa Rica played in this years World Cup it's got to give us some hope that we could maybe become shock troops ourselves. Been far too long since we last graced the big stage, I started to think my time to go to one had passed me by. Hope I'm wrong!

:flag:

[R11Loaded]

Euro 2016, France. Genuinely believe we can get there. And with some luck do well


Class doesn't show on a maroon jersey

[The_Horde]

Nope. We'd maybe get as far as Greece but that's about it.

Our boys are too used to the British style, sadly.

[monktonharp]

Does anyone think that with Strachan in charge, that Scotland can go on and do well in a major tournament? On the back of the way Costa Rica played in this years World Cup it's got to give us some hope that we could maybe become shock troops ourselves. Been far too long since we last graced the big stage, I started to think my time to go to one had passed me by. Hope I'm wrong!

:flag:I think we can, with Strachan and Salmond at the helm(not onboard the QE carrier I might add) :saltireflag:flying::duck:

[lord bunberry]

We can but not under strachan, it will take years for the right changes to come to fruition. It appears to be popular to knock Scottish football at the moment but if you look at things more closely you see that more teams are trying to play a more expansive game( I'm thinking of teams like Killie, Dundee Utd and st Mirren ) and.most teams are realising that the way forward is to develop our own talent. When Scottish football was at its peak these were the things that made us successful . Just like any situation in the world necessity is what drives change and innovation, we will be no different IMO

[monktonharp]

;4088292']Nope. We'd maybe get as far as Greece but that's about it.

Our boys are too used to the British style, sadly.were not british:lips seal

[EdinMike]

Can you wait 20 years?!


http://youtu.be/S36BCNgH9As

[over the line]

Sorry but no. Just to many good sides now. Let's hope I am proved wrong!

[Dashing Bob S]

No comparison. Costa Rica are minnows of the world game who lucked out, Scotland are sleeping giants who will inevitably win a major tournament soon, possibly the World Cup, 2018, but more likely Euro 2016.

[Steve-O]

Costa Rica, Uruguay, Honduras, Belgium - all small countries that prove it can be done. There is no GOOD reason we cannot achieve better results, other than all being lazy pissheads who only aspire to make it as far as Glasgow I suppose.

[The_Horde]

were not british:lips seal

I didn't say we were. We are though, unfortunately (but that's for another board) :greengrin

[The_Horde]

We can but not under strachan, it will take years for the right changes to come to fruition. It appears to be popular to knock Scottish football at the moment but if you look at things more closely you see that more teams are trying to play a more expansive game( I'm thinking of teams like Killie, Dundee Utd and st Mirren ) and.most teams are realising that the way forward is to develop our own talent. When Scottish football was at its peak these were the things that made us successful . Just like any situation in the world necessity is what drives change and innovation, we will be no different IMO

Agreed. I fear that by the time we're up to speed with today's standards football will have changed again and we'll have missed the boat.

[MWHIBBIES]

Tactically Costa Rica were one of the best teams there, they weren't like some little team pulling off cup shocks, they were set up extremely well and went toe to toe with everyone they played. Scotland are a long way off that IMO.

[lucky]

I'm sure it's in Salmonds fantasy that's the white paper we get to the last 8 of every tournament we enter #fact

[Bristolhibby]

were not british:lips seal

Perceptions of Nationhood aside. Scotland geographically does occupy the Northern part of the Island of Great Britain.

J

[Phil D. Rolls]

Not only are we getting beaten by plankton, we have started to look up to them.

[Keith_M]

were not british:lips seal


I'm sure it's in Salmonds fantasy that's the white paper we get to the last 8 of every tournament we enter #fact


Perceptions of Nationhood aside. Scotland geographically does occupy the Northern part of the Island of Great Britain.

J


No politics please.


:tsk tsk:

[Keith_M]

Not only are we getting beaten by plankton, we have started to look up to them.


Costa Rica has a population of 4.5 million. Scotland has just over 5 million.


I think it's a fair comparison.

[cad]

Ive said for years that Scotland wont qualify for either Euro Champs or World Cups for decades ,what I have been encouraged by is Strachan ,
I hope I'm proved wrong and we do qualify but I think its a hard ask , I suppose we could co host with Ireland other than that its a struggle

[Phil D. Rolls]

Costa Rica has a population of 4.5 million. Scotland has just over 5 million.


I think it's a fair comparison.

I was thinking of something Stewart Cosgrove said once : "no longer were we getting beaten by minnows, now we were getting beaten by plankton". That was 20 odd years ago, and its a measure of how we've moved on that we accept them as equals (at least) - and we're probably better off for it.

[Jack]

No politics please.


:tsk tsk:

It's not politics, its geography :-)

[Keith_M]

I was thinking of something Stewart Cosgrove said once : "no longer were we getting beaten by minnows, now we were getting beaten by plankton". That was 20 odd years ago, and its a measure of how we've moved on that we accept them as equals (at least) - and we're probably better off for it.


Fair Enough

[down-the-slope]

It's not politics, its geography :-)

:tee hee:

[hibs4thecup1988]

No comparison. Costa Rica are minnows of the world game who lucked out, Scotland are sleeping giants who will inevitably win a major tournament soon, possibly the World Cup, 2018, but more likely Euro 2016.

As ling as we can avoid Costa Rica in 2016 I think we might win it :agree:

[over the line]

No comparison. Costa Rica are minnows of the world game who lucked out, Scotland are sleeping giants who will inevitably win a major tournament soon, possibly the World Cup, 2018, but more likely Euro 2016.

Really!?!?!?

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[Waxy]

We should have won the world cup in 78

[Phil D. Rolls]

Really!?!?!?

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Depends on what part of Scotland you live in.

Interesting user name, btw, what does it mean?

[Gus]

I was told by a fella handing out Vote Yes stickers that if Scotland go independent then they automatically qualify for Euro 2016

[heretoday]

Despite encouraging signs of life under Strachan I can't see a Scotland side fighting like C Rica did for 90 minutes.

[over the line]

Depends on what part of Scotland you live in.

Interesting user name, btw, what does it mean?

E/Port = Ellesmere Port, where I live. Not interesting at all, quite a dull place really! :rolleyes:

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[Phil D. Rolls]

E/Port = Ellesmere Port, where I live. Not interesting at all, quite a dull place really! :rolleyes:

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Welcome aboard anyway. :aok:

[over the line]

Welcome aboard anyway. :aok:



Cheers, thanks for the welcome! :thumbup:

[lord bunberry]

I was told by a fella handing out Vote Yes stickers that if Scotland go independent then they automatically qualify for Euro 2016

He's right, we get into the final of the Eurovision Song Contest as well.

[SmashinGlass]

;4088292']Nope. We'd maybe get as far as Greece but that's about it.

Our boys are too used to the British style, sadly.

I'd take that, on the assumption you're not referring specifically to this years World Cup. After all, winning the Euros isn't too bad an achievement

[monktonharp]

E/Port = Ellesmere Port, where I live. Not interesting at all, quite a dull place really! :rolleyes:

Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2any port in a storm:wink:

[SanFranHibs]

Costa Rica, Uruguay, Honduras, Belgium - all small countries that prove it can be done. There is no GOOD reason we cannot achieve better results, other than all being lazy pissheads who only aspire to make it as far as Glasgow I suppose.

Not saying a YES vote would result in us becoming good again overnight, however there seems to be a lack of pride in Scotland generally and a lot of people have accepted our 'fate', that we are useless at most things.

However, I feel that Strachan has at least proven what a positive, upbeat approach can accomplish. Not giant strides but undefeated I believe this year and at least playing some decent, positive football. And he has done this in a short period of time.

I am under no illusions about our limitations but they have been self imposed limitations brought to bear by negative managers who seemed to have their own agenda.

A huge test awaits us in Germany but at least under the prevailing mood in the Scottish team there are some grounds for optimism. Imagine if Levein was still in charge for this game.

Not to get carried away by the never say die hype surrounding the USA in this World Cup but they showed that a good attititude in tandem with being well coached can make a decent football team and a team very hard to beat. Like, as the OP said, Costa Rica. Very well coached.

I actually think there are no great national teams in the world right now. A few teams that will always be there, but Brazil are far from a great side although I appreciate they set high standards for themselves for years. Messi is Argentina. Germany are their usual brilliant well organized machine but not a 'great' team, although I think they are in the top 3. Holland are hard to judge. Still seem like a WC disappointment looming for the Dutch fans, imo of course. Italy average, Uruguay average, England average, France on the way up but certainly not there yet. Spain on the way down somewhat. Portugal? Not a lot to fear.

Just my opinion but not great teams which is why perhaps some people are saying this has been a great world cup. No obvious stand out team. No giants beating up on the small guys. The usual suspects yes but it has come down to bar Brazil being saved by the woodwork with 2 minutes to go, penalty shoot victories after uninspiring performances by several 'big' teams.

We shall see in the campaign for the 2016 Euros but I feel a lot better about our team than I did a year or so ago.

:saltireflag

[monktonharp]

I was told by a guy handing out NO flyers, that there was to be no political slants on hibs.net, he also said we were to wee to qualify for the euro competition.

[Pete]

We should be looking at countries like Croatia and asking ourselves what they are doing. Big hitters like Belgium, Portugal and the Netherlands only have populations of around 10-15 million so again, we should be looking closer to home.

Wasn't some Dutch guy brought in to revolutionize our game a few years ago? It might take a few more years and I'm pretty certain we aren't simply a lost cause. We have a real passion fir football in this country and it can be done!

[Ozyhibby]

We should be looking at countries like Croatia and asking ourselves what they are doing. Big hitters like Belgium, Portugal and the Netherlands only have populations of around 10-15 million so again, we should be looking closer to home.

Wasn't some Dutch guy brought in to revolutionize our game a few years ago? It might take a few more years and I'm pretty certain we aren't simply a lost cause. We have a real passion fir football in this country and it can be done!

Mark Wotte has been here since 2011 and appears to be doing a great job.

[Jack]

Costa Rica is a lovely place, I was there last year, but its full of nutters.

I went on a river trip and now and again the guide jumped out the boat and got close up and personal with numerous crocodiles, feeding them chickens and giving their noses a good smack!

The place also iguanas all over the place. They were traditionally eaten by the Costa Ricans, they're known as tree chickens, but this is now discouraged.

Costa Rica has no armed forces as such. The reasoning being that they're too wee and if anyone did invade they'd be ****** anyways.

Lovely country, lovely people.

So I'd like us to be like Costa Rica, so long as I don't have to feed crocodiles!

[ScottB]

No, not without a huge culture change.

We simply aren't producing the players in large enough numbers, there's obviously a few good young ones starting to emerge now, but as long as a majority of Scottish players continue to follow a 'traditional' lifestyle of heavy drinking, eating crap and being laughably unfit for professional athletes then we will continue to struggle.

That the good players we do produce seem to mostly end up stunting their growth at the Old Firm, or drifting around the fringes of lower end EPL squads doesn't help either.

Costa Rica played out their skins in every game, they fought for each other, didn't give up and showed no fear. It's not impossible for us to do that, but we probably don't have the quality they do, which is a sad thing to say really. Belgium are the latest example of proving that producing a crop of talented players is not some great mystery, but they also show it's no guarantee of success.


I could see Strachan sneaking us into a tournament, but it's probably going to be a good 10 years plus till we see any of the fruits of the SFA's changes with that Dutch guy, if that doesn't work then you're kicking any light at the end of the tunnel even further away.

Basically, since the 90's, Scottish football has been left behind massively, and the rise of many new nations in Europe, a lot of them already far better than we are and producing players of a quality we haven't seen the like of in decades is the problem. It's a long road back.

[NAE NOOKIE]

San Fran Hibs summed it up pretty well.

As far as I can see Strachan has done a small thing which seems to have been beyond previous managers. He appears to have said 'look you lot, you play club football at a decent level so instead of being afraid of the opposition get out there and take the game to them'

I for one am a lot more positive about Scotland than I was a year ago.

A few years back it was thought by the folk in charge that the Scottish way of playing with guts and passion was out dated and had to be replaced by science and tactics, and as a result we have failed big time.

The likes of the USA and Costa Rica have shown that teams with decent tactics but average players can go a long way if you get them to play with guts and passion ..... something we used to have in spades, and can have again.

[Lewis77]

Perceptions of Nationhood aside. Scotland geographically does occupy the Northern part of the Island of Great Britain.

J

With respect, are we equally European? The use of the word British in context of nationhood is a flimsy one and fairly contemporary. Britain is a geographical term the etymology of which is bound with political connotation therefore not everyone feels comfortable using it. This can be seen in the historical use of both words in relation to Ireland. I am Scottish, if others wish to use the term British to describe my national status it is up to them, but strictly speaking they are incorrect to do so. They can use it to describe me geographically as in I am European and live in Europe, but I would politely ask them not to do so as I find it offensive due to the afore mentioned political connotations associated with words Britain and British.

So, can Scotland be like Costa Rica? No because we are Scotland! However we can have a good national football team again, of course we can!

I think domestic Scottish football has to change in order to allow quicker development of Scottish talent. Meaning Scottish domestic football has to be primarily about developing youth through to first team Football as it used to be. Nevertheless, football is cyclical in nature, we're bound to get a good team again soon, aren't we? I was 21 the last time we were at a world cup, in fact any major finals, that's just sad.

[Bristolhibby]

It's not politics, its geography :-)

Exactly how I was going to respond.

FWIW you can describe how we, the English, Welsh, Irish and Northern Irish play as the "British" way of playing. I think that was what the OP was meaning.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Exactly how I was going to respond.

FWIW you can describe how we, the English, Welsh, Irish and Northern Irish play as the "British" way of playing. I think that was what the OP was meaning.

J

All the Scotland youth squads now play a more Dutch style 4-3-3 and it is starting to produce better results in youth tournaments.

[over the line]

any port in a storm:wink:

Too right! :D

[Keith_M]

I am Scottish, if others wish to use the term British to describe my national status it is up to them, but strictly speaking they are incorrect to do so. They can use it to describe me geographically as in I am European and live in Europe, but I would politely ask them not to do so as I find it offensive due to the afore mentioned political connotations associated with words Britain and British.
.

I've been trying to avoid answering this stuff and getting the thread off track but I can't help myself anymore.....


What you have written is completely wrong.

If you have a UK Passport, please open to the page where it says 'Nationality'. I think you will find it is British. You might not like it but it won't change the fact.

Now, I have no wish to be British any longer than absolutely necessary and hope one day to return home to an Independent Scotland but I accept that it is my Nationality now.

[Time For Heroes]

I've been trying to avoid answering this stuff and getting the thread off track but I can't help myself anymore.....


What you have written is completely wrong.

If you have a UK Passport, please open to the page where it says 'Nationality'. I think you will find it is British. You might not like it but it won't change the fact.

Now, I have no wish to British any longer than absolutely necessary and hope one day to return home to an Independent Scotland but I accept that it is my Nationality now.
Spot on.
Don't particularly like it but that's the facts.

[Lewis77]

I've been trying to avoid answering this stuff and getting the thread off track but I can't help myself anymore.....


What you have written is completely wrong.

If you have a UK Passport, please open to the page where it says 'Nationality'. I think you will find it is British. You might not like it but it won't change the fact.

Now, I have no wish to be British any longer than absolutely necessary and hope one day to return home to an Independent Scotland but I accept that it is my Nationality now.

It actually says British Citizen meaning a member of the British state, which is a political construct not geographical, this is why people from Northern Ireland hold British Passports. It's also why my birth certificate doesn't label me as being British nor does my driving license. The UK passport is a gray area because it has to follow certain EU guideline in the document lay out so can be misleading. Also, in essence it is only a document allowing travel outside the legal boundaries of the British state. It is not a legal document of nationality only citizenship!

[DH1875]

Reckon that if we dont qualify for the next euros then we never will. Decent group, does 3rd spot get a play-off spot or is it just top 2 that goes through?

[Haymaker]

Reckon that if we dont qualify for the next euros then we never will. Decent group, does 3rd spot get a play-off spot or is it just top 2 that goes through?

3rd gets a playoff iirc. Think half of europe qualify!

[SkintHibby]

Can Scotland be like Costa Rica?

What a ridiculous question!

First of all, Costa Rica is a poor independent country, Scotland is a rich dependent country.

We will always play second fiddle to our larger southern neighbour and be told to be thankfull for it.

[Haymaker]

Firstly: An increase in the number of hours of technical based coaching at elite level academies and development centres to match other nations. This can be done at the academy or at satellite facilities such as Spartans or, honestly, anywhere with a half decent astroturf pitch so it lessens the distance of travel for parents. It is a method Crystal Palace and Chelsea use a lot around my way - they hire or help in paying for an astroturf and hold local sessions for boys who may not be able to get to Croydon/Cobham easily or regularly.

Secondly: An increase of hours in schools of 'Invasion games' that may, or may not, be football orientated. Futsal would be my preferred sport but things like Basketball, Handball and the like still use similar movements and help develop young childrens Agility, Balance and Co-ordination.

Thirdly: The Government to look into and help fund/develop elite schools of sporting excellence that allow children to board. Around a curriculum of learning they can increase hours of sport as well as being fed correctly and looked after. These can be run by clubs (La Masia) however the start up cost would be huge for a club like Hibs let alone a Livi or Falkirk etc. Watford attempted this before their buyout and were starting to see results of their efforts.

[Scouse Hibee]

It actually says British Citizen meaning a member of the British state, which is a political construct not geographical, this is why people from Northern Ireland hold British Passports. It's also why my birth certificate doesn't label me as being British nor does my driving license. The UK passport is a gray area because it has to follow certain EU guideline in the document lay out so can be misleading. Also, in essence it is only a document allowing travel outside the legal boundaries of the British state. It is not a legal document of nationality only citizenship!


No, they hold a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Passport.

[Lucius Apuleius]

No, they hold a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Passport.

Not necessarily so.

[Ozyhibby]

Firstly: An increase in the number of hours of technical based coaching at elite level academies and development centres to match other nations. This can be done at the academy or at satellite facilities such as Spartans or, honestly, anywhere with a half decent astroturf pitch so it lessens the distance of travel for parents. It is a method Crystal Palace and Chelsea use a lot around my way - they hire or help in paying for an astroturf and hold local sessions for boys who may not be able to get to Croydon/Cobham easily or regularly.

Secondly: An increase of hours in schools of 'Invasion games' that may, or may not, be football orientated. Futsal would be my preferred sport but things like Basketball, Handball and the like still use similar movements and help develop young childrens Agility, Balance and Co-ordination.

Thirdly: The Government to look into and help fund/develop elite schools of sporting excellence that allow children to board. Around a curriculum of learning they can increase hours of sport as well as being fed correctly and looked after. These can be run by clubs (La Masia) however the start up cost would be huge for a club like Hibs let alone a Livi or Falkirk etc. Watford attempted this before their buyout and were starting to see results of their efforts.

The third of these is already happening.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?page=2660

[Scouse Hibee]

Not necessarily so.


Of course not if they hold an Irish passport but otherwise yes.

[Haymaker]

The third of these is already happening.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?page=2660

Obviously someone read my post :cb

Seriously though, that is great news! 800 extra sessions over four years! If that is 2 hours per session then an extra 1,600 hours of technical play and skill. Brilliant. It is ALL about the hours!

[Phil D. Rolls]

Can Scotland be like Costa Rica?

What a ridiculous question!

First of all, Costa Rica is a poor independent country, Scotland is a rich dependent country.

We will always play second fiddle to our larger southern neighbour and be told to be thankfull for it.

Nobodies making us except ourselves. The bad news is that, after September, we won't be able to blame the big boy next door for our inadequacies.

[Caversham Green]

We should have won the world cup in 78

The only side unbeaten in the '74 competition. Only conceded one goal and drew with the reigning champions. If Billy Bremner hadn't missed a sitter we'd have won it.

But we still went out at the group stage.

[brian6-2]

I was told by a fella handing out Vote Yes stickers that if Scotland go independent then they automatically qualify for Euro 2016

That mob will do anything for a vote!

I think people arent giving Costa Rica the credit they deserve, alot of credit has to go to the coach for having the balls to play the way he did. The majority of teams at the WC are playing this 4-2-3-1 formation, Costa Rica set out with a very adventurous 5-2-2-1 a system thats solid to break down and is set up for absorbing the pressure that bigger teams will put on you then catching them on the counter with 2 wing backs, they had great pace throughout the team as well as strength which made them very hard to beat. They packed out their own half in numbers but broke quickly with what seemed like 3 strikers. They were great to watch.

If anything Scotland can learn from them, but im positive about this campaign, why shouldnt we be? Strachan is getting the best out the team and grinding out results. Its refreshing watching them again playing with confidence and everyone in the squad wants to be there and play for their country. I'm looking forward to it and think we can qualify.

[Keith_M]

It actually says British Citizen meaning a member of the British state, which is a political construct not geographical, this is why people from Northern Ireland hold British Passports. It's also why my birth certificate doesn't label me as being British nor does my driving license. The UK passport is a gray area because it has to follow certain EU guideline in the document lay out so can be misleading. Also, in essence it is only a document allowing travel outside the legal boundaries of the British state. It is not a legal document of nationality only citizenship!


You're just attempting to play with words but it has no basis in reality. The internationally recognised Country you live in is the UK and the internationally recognised Nationality for that country is British.

Also, you are not a Citizen, you are Her Maj's Subect

You have a problem with that, fair enough, but that's just the way it is. If you wish it to be different, go vote accordingly in September.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Nobodies making us except ourselves. The bad news is that, after September, we won't be able to blame the big boy next door for our inadequacies.

Amen to that.

[Lewis77]

No, they hold a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Passport.

A slip I meant to say UK