Ryan Mcgivern on his way

[Weir7]

Im hearing it should be announced soon hes away to Port vale. Deal been on going for a while since butcher told him to go.

Bars and clubs in George Street trying to do a deal to keep him.

[007 Mickey Weir]

Great news. Can he take Nelson with him?

[scuttle]

Great news. Can he take Nelson with him?

You beat me to it

[RP1875]

Fantastic news. No idea why he was back for pre season training in that case.

Bye bye McGivern you total waste of space.

[Jonnyboy]

Im hearing it should be announced soon hes away to Port vale. Deal been on going for a while since butcher told him to go.

Bars and clubs in George Street trying to do a deal to keep him.

Sooner the better, I say :agree:

[Billy Whizz]

Great news. Can he take Nelson with him?

That would be very cruel on Port Vale.
Hope we get a decent fee for McGivern

[SteveHFC]

Im hearing it should be announced soon hes away to Port vale. Deal been on going for a while since butcher told him to go.

Bars and clubs in George Street trying to do a deal to keep him.


I'll be back with plenty of celebration gifs :greengrin

[The Green Goblin]

Good

[RP1875]

That would be very cruel on Port Vale.
Hope we get a decent fee for McGivern

Northern Ireland internationalists don't come cheap!

[DC_Hibs]

Hope we get a decent fee for McGivern

Cracker!

[Bob Box Fish]

Great if true!

[scuttle]

Cracker!

I think that's where we got him, from a cracker

[Bostonhibby]

Yeehah, mon the vale, always liked them.

[truehibernian]

Can tell the Port Vale scoreboard operator to start games with Port Vale 0 Opponents 1 :aok:

Great player for pointing a lot, stamping his feet when a goal is conceded, 'jumping' whilst feet firmly rooted to the spot, making the football look like a beachball when he crosses into the box, giving the opposition full backs the day off when he plays :agree:

I feel very sorry for Port Vale.

Only Nelson to go now........:aok:

[Jonnyboy]

Can tell the Port Vale scoreboard operator to start games with Port Vale 0 Opponents 1 :aok:

Great player for pointing a lot, stamping his feet when a goal is conceded, 'jumping' whilst feet firmly rooted to the spot, making the football look like a beachball when he crosses into the box, giving the opposition full backs the day off when he plays :agree:

I feel very sorry for Port Vale.

Only Nelson to go now........:aok:

A modern day Ross Chisholm, if you like :greengrin

[007 Mickey Weir]

So who else do we need to off load. Nelson and Heffernen for me. I would keep Craig as I think he will fit better into a different style of play.

[MyJo]

I'll be back with plenty of celebration gifs :greengrin

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[.Sean.]

Does he need help packing?

The nightlife must be brilliant down there.

[frazeHFC]

Made my night!! :thumbsup:

[kaimendhibs]

So who else do we need to off load. Nelson and Heffernen for me. I would keep Craig as I think he will fit better into a different style of play.

Gonna have a beer to this news. Disagree about Heff, I believe with service he can rip the league apart


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[Mr White]

So who else do we need to off load. Nelson and Heffernen for me. I would keep Craig as I think he will fit better into a different style of play.

I'd keep the heff, capable of scoring a fair few in the championship with the right service imo. That is to say any service that doesn't involve the ball being shelled at him from 60 yards.

[Del Boy]

Best news this year

[Bostonhibby]

Return to Man city looking less likely then?

[mim]

So who else do we need to off load. Nelson and Heffernen for me. I would keep Craig as I think he will fit better into a different style of play.

I think Heffernan would score plenty of goals in the championship.

[SteveHFC]

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[calder45a]

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[Pretty Boy]

Bye Ryan.

Disappointed it ended this way with him, if he is indeed on his way, as he looked like he was a player when he first arrived. No idea what went wrong but he was a disgrace at times last year.

Would like to see Booth get a crack at left back.

[The_Horde]

Better than a new signing

[Groathillgrump]

Great news. Thanks for nothing Ryan because that's exactly what we got from you. :bye:

[lord bunberry]

I think Heffernan would score plenty of goals in the championship.

If he was fit enough to play, we can't afford players like him who spend half the season on the treatment table

[MyJo]

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[lord bunberry]

I hope there's not any Port Vale fans looking in to see what our thoughts are about Ryan leaving

[Bostonhibby]

I hope there's not any Port Vale fans looking in to see what our thoughts are about Ryan leaving

They won't be dancing in the streets of Port Vale.

[LancsHibs]

Does he need help packing?

The nightlife must be brilliant down there.

Fraid not, get the deal done before he realises PV play in Stoke:greengrin Bye Ryan!

[silverhibee]

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[AlbertK86]

Was excellent on loan but seemed to lose his way under Butcher and was terrible the last six months.

Think there is still a player there probably at centre half if he could learn to concentrate and get his attitude right

Good luck if you are away Ryan

[lord bunberry]

They won't be dancing in the streets of Port Vale.

Unless they own a night club

[MyJo]

Meanwhile on George street.......

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[truehibernian]

I hope there's not any Port Vale fans looking in to see what our thoughts are about Ryan leaving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25EJtfE

[Greenblood70]

Him and Nelson are the two I want to see gone the most, one a truly horrific footballer who is cheating a living at this level, and in Mcgiverns case I at one stage thought there might be a player in there somewhere but his constant lapses in concentration and goldfish like attention span eventually persuaded me otherwise.


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[007 Mickey Weir]

We most have a tiny wage bill now. After the rumoured 50% wage reduction and so many leaving. Surely we must see at least 3 or 4 decent players come in.

[BigKev]

This has the potential to be the best or worst thread of the summer....

[Steven_Hibs]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

[3pm]

Another not as bad as made out.

Certainly the nightlife appears to be a problem but a decent manager will get decent stuff from him.

[MyJo]

The manager at lulu's has had a meeting with the staff to tell them both James Collins and Ryan McGivern aren't playing for hibs any more

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[cmcd]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please
Are you for real ??????

[Pretty Boy]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Hanlon??

The erse fell out our defence after he got injured last year, his absence was a huge reason for our relegation.

I don't agree with Stevenson either. Solid, flexible squad player.

[mim]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Really? I think you need to get a grip.

[Fat Penlon]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Agreed. The latter 2 have been a consistent part of the last 5 years hibs teams. Simply not good enough I'm afraid trying hard just isn't enough.

[Steven_Hibs]

Are you for real ??????

What!? Are you for real saying they should be kept? Unbelievable

[spike220]

I thought McGivern's penalty he took in the play off was very good, and put KT to shame.

Mixed feelings about him going. But in balance I think he needs a move now.

[ackeygraham]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Nelson defo but gotta keep the other two. Hanlon plays well given a decent centre half beside him. McPake and Nelson aren't exactly that. Stevenson, not a world beater but solid enough and a grafter of what well need in the championship.

[Steven_Hibs]

Really? I think you need to get a grip.

Me get a grip. Have a word with yourself. Is this board really got to this stage where mediocrity is accepted? Pathetic

[SteveHFC]

The manager at lulu's has had a meeting with the staff to tell them both James Collins and Ryan McGivern aren't playing for hibs any more

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Think everyone needs to stay calm :greengrin

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[silverhibee]

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[Brightside]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Is this guy for real?:confused:

[silverhibee]

Ryan.

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[mim]

Me get a grip. Have a word with yourself. Is this board really got to this stage where mediocrity is accepted? Pathetic

Away and play with yourself

[Steven_Hibs]

Agreed. The latter 2 have been a consistent part of the last 5 years hibs teams. Simply not good enough I'm afraid trying hard just isn't enough.

Thank god someone sees it the same. They're just not good enough end of story. Don't people wonder why they're still lingering around at us. They wouldn't get a game up the park let alone in my Hibs team

[Bronson]

Hate to put a downer on such an exciting thread, but does anyone have a source or something to back this up? Can't find anything about it myself.

[Broken Gnome]

Another not as bad as made out.

Certainly the nightlife appears to be a problem but a decent manager will get decent stuff from him.

Really? Cos he made himself out to be god awful.

Instigated the whole second leg horror show from his mistake. Exactly the same one he made against Partick two weeks before. Doubt many will forget that.

[Steven_Hibs]

Is this guy for real?:confused:

Nah obviously not. I like my team getting pumped with these wasters in the team. Obviously I'm for real and if Stubbs is, he will bin them

[carnoustiehibee]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Yip I agree, it's time for a fresh start and a whole new defence.

No doubt you'll get slated for this though,from the same posters that's giving Mcgivern it tight right now.

[Fat Penlon]

I don't know what's so hard to understand about hanlon and Stevenson not being good enough. Hanlon constantly punts 50 yard cross field passes mostly out of play and gets bullied out game by any decent forward, never organises the back 4 and never looks in control of any situation. He's played over 150 first team games FFS! Stevenson gives 100% but just isn't that good at any particular job on the pitch. As I've said before this is just my opinion which is why we all post on this forum.

[MyJo]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

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[Stonewall]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Okay with Nelson but the other two. Come on.

[CallumLaidlaw]

McGivern and Nelson to go but definitely keep Hanlon and Stevenson. They both get slagged on here but our last five manager have picked them. Stevenson is effective when played in the right position, and our form dropped when Hanlon got injured.

[frazeHFC]

Thank god someone sees it the same. They're just not good enough end of story. Don't people wonder why they're still lingering around at us. They wouldn't get a game up the park let alone in my Hibs team

They were surrounded by utter *****. Those 2 over the season showed 10 times the commitment and are of a higher quality than the rest of the wasters. They will be good in the Championship and we can't afford to bring in better.

[LordBamba]

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[CraigHibee]

That would be very cruel on Port Vale.
Hope we get a decent fee for McGivern


the fact another club is willing to take him is enough for me :greengrin

[nribs]

Hate to put a downer on such an exciting thread, but does anyone have a source or something to back this up? Can't find anything about it myself.

Only from one poster and then......meltdown

[Fat Penlon]

McGivern and Nelson to go but definitely keep Hanlon and Stevenson. They both get slagged on here but our last five manager have picked them. Stevenson is effective when played in the right position, and our form dropped when Hanlon got injured.

Remind me what happened to the last 5 managers?

[Brightside]

Hanlon will be the best CH in this league this season. A model pro.

[Fat Penlon]

Hanlon will be the best CH in this league this season. A model pro.

Stop taking the drugs eh! Hahaha

[lord bunberry]

McGivern and Nelson to go but definitely keep Hanlon and Stevenson. They both get slagged on here but our last five manager have picked them. Stevenson is effective when played in the right position, and our form dropped when Hanlon got injured.

Stevenson has been dropped by the last five managers and replaced by a new signing, only after the new signing has turned out to be useless has the manager had to go back to Stevenson. He's by no means the worst player at the club but the fact that he's been one of the first players dropped when a new manager comes in tells its own story.

[scoopyboy]

I'll go against the grain here, I reckon there is a player in Ryan McGivern, however it's probably the best for all parties he goes.

I went down south in the school holidays a year past October. It was an international midweek and Northern Ireland drew 1-1 away to Portugal in a qualifier.

I bought a paper on the Thursday morning and the reporter was raving about how good he was. Nani and Ronaldo were switching wings and neither got the better of him all night.

Somewhere along the way he has lost the plot but anyone who can keep those two quiet must have something going for them.

[Brightside]

Stop taking the drugs eh! Hahaha

Try watching games.

[Fat Penlon]

Try watching games.

I have been watching plenty games unfortunately when those two have played we almost always lose. Since they have become first team regulars hibs have been a bottom six finisher to the point where we have now been relegated. You keep on happy clapping though eh it's got us far.

[nribs]

Stop taking the drugs eh! Hahaha

How many centre halfs do you know in this league?? Name the ones you think will be better.

[silverhibee]

Another not as bad as made out.

Certainly the nightlife appears to be a problem but a decent manager will get decent stuff from him.

You been smoking ma gear. :cb

[frazeHFC]

I'll go against the grain here, I reckon there is a player in Ryan McGivern, however it's probably the best for all parties he goes.

I went down south in the school holidays a year past October. It was an international midweek and Northern Ireland drew 1-1 away to Portugal in a qualifier.

I bought a paper on the Thursday morning and the reporter was raving about how good he was. Nani and Ronaldo were switching wings and neither got the better of him all night.

Somewhere along the way he has lost the plot but anyone who can keep those two quiet must have something going for them.

Was this Ronaldo turning up for the game? :greengrin

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Maybe our players just like Internationals, check the scorers! :eek:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/16470/report

[Tyler Durden]

Hanlon will be the best CH in this league this season. A model pro.

Like you told us he was better than Hutchison and Gunning last year?

[The_Horde]

Like you told us he was better than Hutchison and Gunning last year?

He is.

[stewpot]

I'll go against the grain here, I reckon there is a player in Ryan McGivern, however it's probably the best for all parties he goes.

I went down south in the school holidays a year past October. It was an international midweek and Northern Ireland drew 1-1 away to Portugal in a qualifier.

I bought a paper on the Thursday morning and the reporter was raving about how good he was. Nani and Ronaldo were switching wings and neither got the better of him all night.

Somewhere along the way he has lost the plot but anyone who can keep those two quiet must have something going for them.

I agree with this. there is defo a player in there... Its the mince he has been playing with, they have dragged him down to their level ...

If he is away i would wish him all the best

[Tyler Durden]

McGivern and Nelson to go but definitely keep Hanlon and Stevenson. They both get slagged on here but our last five manager have picked them. Stevenson is effective when played in the right position, and our form dropped when Hanlon got injured.

Re Stevenson and 5 managers, it's a bit of a myth. Butcher and Fenlon certainly rated him. Calderwood however, mainly used him as a sub to try and hold onto wins. He rarely started. Yogi was the same, he was a back up left back. Which for me is spot on - he is a good sub left back, nothing more.

Won't be upset to see either stay or go. But hugely over rated by many on here in my view.

[MyJo]

Was this Ronaldo turning up for the game? :greengrin

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Maybe our players just like Internationals, check the scorers! :eek:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/16470/report

if they were outplayed by McGivern then it must be this ronaldo and Nani:

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[Tyler Durden]

;4077863']He is.

And yet one has just signed for Fulham and the other Sheff Wed. The likes of Mark Reynolds has also had his move down south.

If Hanlons so good, where are the bids for him?

[Jonnyboy]

Re Stevenson and 5 managers, it's a bit of a myth. Butcher and Fenlon certainly rated him. Calderwood however, mainly used him as a sub to try and hold onto wins. He rarely started. Yogi was the same, he was a back up left back. Which for me is spot on - he is a good sub left back, nothing more.

Won't be upset to see either stay or go. But hugely over rated by many on here in my view.

And hugely under rated by many on here too :wink:

[TheFamous1875]

And yet one has just signed for Fulham and the other Sheff Wed. The likes of Mark Reynolds has also had his move down south.

If Hanlons so good, where are the bids for him?

Those three have all been a part of successful sides consistently finishing in the top 3. Hanlon's never been in a good side and Stevenson was only in one for about 6 months!


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[Baldy Foghorn]

Obviously want to see it confirmed, but would be delighted if he were to leave.....He was pathetic, and his part in Hamilton's first goal will stick with me forever

[Tyler Durden]

Those three have all been a part of successful sides consistently finishing in the top 3. Hanlon's never been in a good side and Stevenson was only in one for about 6 months!


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In 1997 Darren Jackson was in the Hibs side finished 2nd bottom and stayed up in a play off. Next year he was at Celtic and playing for Scotland against Brazil.

You can be a great player in a pish team. See Leigh Griffiths.

If Hanlon was highly regarded by anyone other than Hibbys he would be attracting interest now. Maybe he will still go...

Again, I'm no slating him, just saying he is average. Definitely a model pro and 100% trier.

[RP1875]

Really? Cos he made himself out to be god awful.

Instigated the whole second leg horror show from his mistake. Exactly the same one he made against Partick two weeks before. Doubt many will forget that.

Definite trolling Richie don't rise mate.

[Thecat23]

Of course there was a player in there as when he came he was good. But I'm sorry the mans football has went to pot because of his lifestyle I'm 100% sure of that.

If he stayed off the booze and out George St. And wanted to give his all I'm sure we'd see a much better player. Won't happen though and best for all he just leaves.

[nribs]

And yet one has just signed for Fulham and the other Sheff Wed. The likes of Mark Reynolds has also had his move down south.

If Hanlons so good, where are the bids for him?

Sheffield Wednesday are my English team and Tbh they are pretty murder although they did have a better 2nd half of the season. Hanlon could probably get a gig there.

[TheFamous1875]

In 1997 Darren Jackson was in the Hibs side finished 2nd bottom and stayed up in a play off. Next year he was at Celtic and playing for Scotland against Brazil.

You can be a great player in a pish team. See Leigh Griffiths.

If Hanlon was highly regarded by anyone other than Hibbys he would be attracting interest now. Maybe he will still go...

Again, I'm no slating him, just saying he is average. Definitely a model pro and 100% trier.

Maybe there's a case for strikers standing out more and being in more demand? Who knows.

Personally, I think you'd be mad to say either of the two were world beaters. However, I think you'd have to be equally as mad to think they're the source of all our problems and should be punted.

For the last few years of shocking football, they've both been a small positive. Two home grown players who give 100% to the club, can play a bit and have consistently been two of our best players over the recent years (Hanlon has shown a lot of improvement over the last two years, especially last year before his initial injury).

Currently, they are two of our best players. Currently, we're not where we want to be, or where we feel a club our size should be. If we do improve over the next few years (which I think we will with Dempster's approach to the complete revamp of our club), then we'll have better players, a better a squad, and be playing against better opposition in Europe.

If either Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson are not good enough for a good Hibs squad, then fair enough, we'll have to replace them if they can't reach our standards/are holding us back. But right now, they're two of the only players we have that actually adhere to any standard. They get the club, they play for the jersey and they would be very useful assets to our squad over the next few years.


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[Tyler Durden]

Maybe there's a case for strikers standing out more and being in more demand? Who knows.

Personally, I think you'd be mad to say either of the two were world beaters. However, I think you'd have to be equally as mad to think they're the source of all our problems and should be punted.

For the last few years of shocking football, they've both been a small positive. Two home grown players who give 100% to the club, can play a bit and have consistently been two of our best players over the recent years (Hanlon has shown a lot of improvement over the last two years, especially last year before his initial injury).

Currently, they are two of our best players. Currently, we're not where we want to be, or where we feel a club our size should be. If we do improve over the next few years (which I think we will with Dempster's approach to the complete revamp of our club), then we'll have better players, a better a squad, and be playing against better opposition in Europe.

If either Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson are not good enough for a good Hibs squad, then fair enough, we'll have to replace them if they can't reach our standards/are holding us back. But right now, they're two of the only players we have that actually adhere to any standard. They get the club, they play for the jersey and they would be very useful assets to our squad over the next few years.


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Can't say fairer than that.

[mca]

Did Spoony not go on to have a great season against us.. :rolleyes:

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

So... is he defo away then? *prays*

[nribs]

So... is he defo away then? *prays*

Nut he's not

[TheFamous1875]

Of course there was a player in there as when he came he was good. But I'm sorry the mans football has went to pot because of his lifestyle I'm 100% sure of that.

If he stayed off the booze and out George St. And wanted to give his all I'm sure we'd see a much better player. Won't happen though and best for all he just leaves.

Agreed. It's a mentality thing. He became complacent over his time here as he had no challenge to his spot to keep him on his toes, and he tailed off at the end of 2012/13. He definitely had quality when he first came and was one of our best players that season along with Sparky and Claros.

He's a young lad who complied to the negative, lethargic and ever-failing attitude of Hibernian Football Club. We were failing on the pitch, with negativity plaguing the whole club, and he's thought "**** it" and took his foot of the pedal.

He became fulfilled with a wage-packet and the George St scene. Again, another young laddie who thinks he's 'made it' because of the lifestyle as the football itself isn't worth a **** anymore and becomes secondary.

I hope he moves on, as his career and probably life has became stagnant, which reflects the club as a whole. This is ground zero for Hibernian and hopefully Ryan moves somewhere without that malaise and remembers what his career is meant to be about and makes the most of it.


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[Aldo]

So... is he defo away then? *prays*

Just back to room (on hols) and read this thread..... HOPE SO. BMD really do hope so.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Nut he's not

Don't do this to me, please! :boo hoo:

[Aldo]

Don't do this to me, please! :boo hoo:

He'll be gone... The drink telt me!!! ;-)

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

He'll be gone... The drink telt me!!! ;-)

Hope so mate. Absolute horror show.

[BigKev]

Sheffield Wednesday are my English team and Tbh they are pretty murder although they did have a better 2nd half of the season. Hanlon could probably get a gig there.

Wednesday are my English team as well but he wouldn't get a game for the Owls!

Mark Reynolds went to Hillsborough and couldn't cut hence why he was let go and I'd consider him to be better than Hanlon at this moment in time.

Some folk are cut out for the English game and Hanlon isn't strong enough to cope with the physicality of it IMO.

[Aldo]

Hope so mate. Absolute horror show.

Him closely followed by Nelson I hope. Think you mean nightmare!!

[Jonnyboy]

Maybe there's a case for strikers standing out more and being in more demand? Who knows.

Personally, I think you'd be mad to say either of the two were world beaters. However, I think you'd have to be equally as mad to think they're the source of all our problems and should be punted.

For the last few years of shocking football, they've both been a small positive. Two home grown players who give 100% to the club, can play a bit and have consistently been two of our best players over the recent years (Hanlon has shown a lot of improvement over the last two years, especially last year before his initial injury).

Currently, they are two of our best players. Currently, we're not where we want to be, or where we feel a club our size should be. If we do improve over the next few years (which I think we will with Dempster's approach to the complete revamp of our club), then we'll have better players, a better a squad, and be playing against better opposition in Europe.

If either Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson are not good enough for a good Hibs squad, then fair enough, we'll have to replace them if they can't reach our standards/are holding us back. But right now, they're two of the only players we have that actually adhere to any standard. They get the club, they play for the jersey and they would be very useful assets to our squad over the next few years.


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:agree:

[TheFamous1875]

Did Spoony not go on to have a great season against us.. :rolleyes:

Another .net myth of pish. He was largely ineffectual against us last season. A good player who we should've kept on and managed and developed properly, but again he was overplayed, out of position and was another casualty of Hibernian's I'll-fated post 2007 'voyage' . You can't buy creativity, but it has to be managed correctly and Spoony's just wasn't.


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[Aldo]

Maybe there's a case for strikers standing out more and being in more demand? Who knows. Personally, I think you'd be mad to say either of the two were world beaters. However, I think you'd have to be equally as mad to think they're the source of all our problems and should be punted. For the last few years of shocking football, they've both been a small positive. Two home grown players who give 100% to the club, can play a bit and have consistently been two of our best players over the recent years (Hanlon has shown a lot of improvement over the last two years, especially last year before his initial injury). Currently, they are two of our best players. Currently, we're not where we want to be, or where we feel a club our size should be. If we do improve over the next few years (which I think we will with Dempster's approach to the complete revamp of our club), then we'll have better players, a better a squad, and be playing against better opposition in Europe. If either Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson are not good enough for a good Hibs squad, then fair enough, we'll have to replace them if they can't reach our standards/are holding us back. But right now, they're two of the only players we have that actually adhere to any standard. They get the club, they play for the jersey and they would be very useful assets to our squad over the next few years. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Can't highlight but the bit bout Paul and Lewis 100%

[Thecat23]

Agreed. It's a mentality thing. He became complacent over his time here as he had no challenge to his spot to keep him on his toes, and he tailed off at the end of 2012/13. He definitely had quality when he first came and was one of our best players that season along with Sparky and Claros.

He's a young lad who complied to the negative, lethargic and ever-failing attitude of Hibernian Football Club. We were failing on the pitch, with negativity plaguing the whole club, and he's thought "**** it" and took his foot of the pedal.

He became fulfilled with a wage-packet and the George St scene. Again, another young laddie who thinks he's 'made it' because of the lifestyle as the football itself isn't worth a **** anymore and becomes secondary.

I hope he moves on, as his career and probably life has became stagnant, which reflects the club as a whole. This is ground zero for Hibernian and hopefully Ryan moves somewhere without that malaise and remembers what his career is meant to be about and makes the most of it.


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Spot on. 👍


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[Golden Bear]

I'm not one who normally criticises players but in this case I'll make an exception so please Ryan just go forth and multiply.

[Hermit Crab]

Just didn't work out Ryan. No offence but you never really gave a shioite about our club and we don't want players who don't give toss. :bye:

[The_Horde]

And yet one has just signed for Fulham and the other Sheff Wed. The likes of Mark Reynolds has also had his move down south.

If Hanlons so good, where are the bids for him?

Both players have been playing in good sides up here. Hanlon has pretty much never played in a good Hibernian side. Were Fulham not sniffing around him at some point as well?

[Sir David Gray]

It's for the best for all concerned that he moves on.

He was dreadful last season and a massive weak link in our team.

He also offers nothing going forward, apart from a massive hoof up the park which normally results in a loss of possession.

Hopefully Nelson will be the next one out the door.

[R11Loaded]

Just saying Hanlon constantly gets picked by big strong strikers and loses out most times.


But, he wouldn't have made the mistakes Nelson and McGivern did to relegate us.


Class doesn't show on a maroon jersey

[hibby67]

HOPE THIS IS TRUE .... NOTHING AGAINST THE GUY PERSONALY IT'S JUST HE IS SH##E AT FOOTBALL..... :agree:

[Pray4Marc]

Nelson, Hanlon and Stevenson next please

Seen Hanlon leave the balmoral with his partner and Ally McCoist this afternoon.

[Billychaotic182]

See when he was on loan he looked class. There was a game against hearts where he was CH and he won every ball and never put a foot wrong. Then we sign him and it all falls apart. Can't understand it he is not a bad player. Seen much worse players as a hibs fan. Can't put my finger on it. But he won't be missed that's for sure. Nelson next please

[Deansy]

If true McGivern's going then the new season is saved - Hallejulah !!. Just Nelson & Petrie to go and things will look positively rosey !!!

[Calum68]

Best news I've had all week #taxiforryan

[GordonHFC]

Woo Hoo

[Squealing pig]

Am I still dreaming ?

[heretoday]

Port Vale must have a terrible scouting system.

[Brightside]

Like you told us he was better than Hutchison and Gunning last year?

100% he is.

[bingo70]

Looked good when he first came to the club so he's not as bad as is being made out on this thread, just another one who's confidence was shot by that erse butcher.

Appears him and Nelson are the scapegoats though so I agree it's best he moves on, need a completely fresh start from all the negativity next season.

[blackpoolhibs]

Him and Nelson are the two I want to see gone the most, one a truly horrific footballer who is cheating a living at this level, and in Mcgiverns case I at one stage thought there might be a player in there somewhere but his constant lapses in concentration and goldfish like attention span eventually persuaded me otherwise.


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Yip thats where i am on them two. :agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

;4077958']Both players have been playing in good sides up here. Hanlon has pretty much never played in a good Hibernian side. Were Fulham not sniffing around him at some point as well?

Only if you believe Underscore's waffle. We do not have any players at our club at this minute in time, who are anywhere near EPL standard, or indeed Championship level in my opinion.

[Nutmegged]

If Ryan McGivern didn't come from Man City he'd have been chased long ago.

he is a b8g physical boy, probably the reason he did so well at his age group growing up, as a grown man now against fellow professional adults his short comings are horrific

[hibs4thecup1988]

Heard this morning that he said his goodbyes yesterday to all the players before training after a meeting with Stubbs.

Will be announced today I would imagine

[southsider]

Marlon Brando in On the waterfront just about sums him up. "He coulda had class, he coulda been a contender, he coulda been somebody instead of a bum". Saw him play for NI against Portugal and never gave Ronaldo a sniff. Turned out lazy player who was afraid and did not want to work hard. Bye blondie......dinny come back.

[Onion]

If Ryan McGivern didn't come from Man City he'd have been chased long ago.

he is a b8g physical boy, probably the reason he did so well at his age group growing up, as a grown man now against fellow professional adults his short comings are horrific

Yet, when he first arrived at the club on loan, he was a solid left back and we were all more than happy to see him sign a permanent deal.

Always gave 100% but caught the Hibs Desease and never recovered.

[Brightside]

Only if you believe Underscore's waffle. We do not have any players at our club at this minute in time, who are anywhere near EPL standard, or indeed Championship level in my opinion.
Haha. Waffle! Let's see what Alan Stubbs thinks.

[Heisenberg]

As far as I remember he started going downhill at the end of his loan spell. Never been any good since. I'll be very happy if him and Nelson both go.

[blackpoolhibs]

Haha. Waffle! Let's see what Alan Stubbs thinks.

He will think he's a decent centre half i'd imagine?

[J-C]

Just a pity some of the real players don't play like their animated selfs in Football Manager as McGivern's a good player in that.
I think he played well in his loan as he put himself in the shop window for a move but i think Hibs were the only team to offer him anything, maybe he thought he was better than us and his attitude began to stink. Will not be missed re last seasons attempt.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Thank the lord.......

:greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Haha. Waffle! Let's see what Alan Stubbs thinks.

Alan Stubbs will probably think Hanlon is decent enough.......for the level we are playing at.

[neil7908]

Not going to get too excited until everything is done and dusted and an announcement is made in case there's a sudden change of heart. Interesting that Stubbs has sanctioned this. I'm going to be glad to see him move onto pastures new but I wonder if the new manager has assessed him or watched any of Hibs in the last couple of years before sanctioning this. I suppose if McGivern had said he was keen to go he may just have decided not to stand in his way

[emerald green]

More good news. It just keeps on coming. :aok:

Hibernian Football Club now needs to seriously consider the type of players it brings into the club in future. I think LD made reference to that at one point recently?

[SlickShoes]

Looked good when he first came to the club so he's not as bad as is being made out on this thread, just another one who's confidence was shot by that erse butcher.

Appears him and Nelson are the scapegoats though so I agree it's best he moves on, need a completely fresh start from all the negativity next season.

Scapegoats? You watch any games last season, they were culpable all the way they are not being made out to be scapegoats.

[Cauld Bovril]

When he was on loan, I said to my mate we'd never be able to get him permanently, that he was too good for the SPL. He obviously thought that too and I obviously know f all about football.

[bingo70]

Scapegoats? You watch any games last season, they were culpable all the way they are not being made out to be scapegoats.

2 of many.

I also blame butcher, he made average players really ***** players but they didn't choose to be *****, they just had the confidence and self belief sucked from them.

Do I want Nelson and mcgivern to stay? No.

Are they good enough for the championship of the manager gets the most out of them? Definitely

[Lester B]

Me get a grip. Have a word with yourself. Is this board really got to this stage where mediocrity is accepted? Pathetic

Mediocrity?? The most mediocre things I can see on this thread have come from you. God you are laugh a minute. moan moan moan moan moan. See if I was your age...I'd be enjoying myself

[RP1875]

More good news. It just keeps on coming. :aok:

Hibernian Football Club now needs to seriously consider the type of players it brings into the club in future. I think LD made reference to that at one point recently?


Stubbs said yesterday he will be working with LD and George Craig in identifying the type of player needed for the team and the club and he will get the final say as it's his team. Hopefully this will stop the usual panic buy huddies we usually bring to the club and we actually have a plan of bringing players in to do a specific job in a specific position. :aok:

[My_Wife_Camille]

Scapegoats? You watch any games last season, they were culpable all the way they are not being made out to be scapegoats.
I think this is the same guy that wasn't fussed about keeping Sparky and thought that we let James Collins go too soon. Not surprised that he can't see that McGivern and Nelson are much more than 'scapegoats'. The two of them are horrific

[st3vie]

cya, dont bang yer head on the door on the way out

[CallumLaidlaw]

He's not at training today.....

[RP1875]

He's not at training today.....


Probably on the bevvie last night. :wink:

Seriously though, I'm led to believe that he's having a medical today with them and it will be announced this afternoon.

[--------]

Maybe there's a case for strikers standing out more and being in more demand? Who knows.

Personally, I think you'd be mad to say either of the two were world beaters. However, I think you'd have to be equally as mad to think they're the source of all our problems and should be punted.

For the last few years of shocking football, they've both been a small positive. Two home grown players who give 100% to the club, can play a bit and have consistently been two of our best players over the recent years (Hanlon has shown a lot of improvement over the last two years, especially last year before his initial injury).

Currently, they are two of our best players. Currently, we're not where we want to be, or where we feel a club our size should be. If we do improve over the next few years (which I think we will with Dempster's approach to the complete revamp of our club), then we'll have better players, a better a squad, and be playing against better opposition in Europe.

If either Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson are not good enough for a good Hibs squad, then fair enough, we'll have to replace them if they can't reach our standards/are holding us back. But right now, they're two of the only players we have that actually adhere to any standard.

They get the club, they play for the jersey and they would be very useful assets to our squad over the next few years.


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:applause: My feelings exactly, John. lewis and Paul are the last players we should be looking to unload just now. Neither is a world-beater, but both are honest players who consistently give 100% whenever they play. The back four certainly missed Paul last season, and for all the barracking Lewis gets, he still turns in good performances whenever asked.

Every club needs players like those two, and the way some guys get after them on here mystifies me. :rolleyes:

[brog]

:applause: My feelings exactly, John. lewis and Paul are the last players we should be looking to unload just now. Neither is a world-beater, but both are honest players who consistently give 100% whenever they play. The back four certainly missed Paul last season, and for all the barracking Lewis gets, he still turns in good performances whenever asked.

Every club needs players like those two, and the way some guys get after them on here mystifies me. :rolleyes:

I agree also, we can't turn bad players into stars but we can ask that they give 100% & those 2 fit that bill. Its interesting that a year or 2 back we were desperately looking for a left back. Now we're unloading an international player who most of us, me included, thought we could never attract & we're happy! I did have the thought though that we're over loaded with left sided players, PH, CB or LS can all play at left back & in a pinch all in midfield where we already have Craig & Stanton who are left sided. We also have Cummings up front. As an ex centre back Stubbs will know you don't play 2 left sided CB's together. Look for a right footed central defender or right back as a priority signing.

[SMAXXA]

Probably on the bevvie last night. :wink:

Seriously though, I'm led to believe that he's having a medical today with them and it will be announced this afternoon.

:faf:

[The_Horde]

2 of many.

I also blame butcher, he made average players really ***** players but they didn't choose to be *****, they just had the confidence and self belief sucked from them.

Do I want Nelson and mcgivern to stay? No.

Are they good enough for the championship of the manager gets the most out of them? Definitely

Whilst they might be good enough for the championship I seriously doubt either player is good enough to get us out of the championship through any other avenue but the trap door.

[Phil D. Rolls]

It's heartening to read how so many people on here give 100% to their employer. No matter what your bosses ask you to do, no matter how stupid the company's objectives are, you still do your absolute best, never moan, never shirk a job, and never make a mistake.

McGivern was garbage, but as someone said, he was a young man that did what young men do. Get over the fact that you never played for Hibs, and stop putting false expectations on those that do.

Too often, in here, you hear what are thinly disguised attempts by posters to say they could have played professionally. Stuff like, "get them back and train them till they are good enough". Meaning of course, "if I could train as much as them, I'd be as good as them".

At the end of the day, he's a far better player than most people on here will ever be. Maybe if he'd tried harder, he'd have made less mistakes. Funnily enough, the best pro. at the club, Lewis Stevenson, still takes pelters from the guttersnipe element of our support.

[CallumLaidlaw]

It's heartening to read how so many people on here give 100% to their employer. No matter what your bosses ask you to do, no matter how stupid the company's objectives are, you still do your absolute best, never moan, never shirk a job, and never make a mistake.

McGivern was garbage, but as someone said, he was a young man that did what young men do. Get over the fact that you never played for Hibs, and stop putting false expectations on those that do.

Too often, in here, you hear what are thinly disguised attempts by posters to say they could have played professionally. Stuff like, "get them back and train them till they are good enough". Meaning of course, "if I could train as much as them, I'd be as good as them".

At the end of the day, he's a far better player than most people on here will ever be. Maybe if he'd tried harder, he'd have made less mistakes. Funnily enough, the best pro. at the club, Lewis Stevenson, still takes pelters from the guttersnipe element of our support.

I think as fans, we are allowed to at least expect our players that are getting paid a lot more than most of us ever will, to be as professional as possible.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I think as fans, we are allowed to at least expect our players that are getting paid a lot more than most of us ever will, to be as professional as possible.

Yes, and that those players get moved on to other clubs if they don't perform. Other than that, it's their opportunity to waste.

Everybody should be as professional as they can, at work. We all know that some people aren't.

[The_Horde]

It's heartening to read how so many people on here give 100% to their employer. No matter what your bosses ask you to do, no matter how stupid the company's objectives are, you still do your absolute best, never moan, never shirk a job, and never make a mistake.

McGivern was garbage, but as someone said, he was a young man that did what young men do. Get over the fact that you never played for Hibs, and stop putting false expectations on those that do.

Too often, in here, you hear what are thinly disguised attempts by posters to say they could have played professionally. Stuff like, "get them back and train them till they are good enough". Meaning of course, "if I could train as much as them, I'd be as good as them".

At the end of the day, he's a far better player than most people on here will ever be. Maybe if he'd tried harder, he'd have made less mistakes. Funnily enough, the best pro. at the club, Lewis Stevenson, still takes pelters from the guttersnipe element of our support.

Can't agree.

I've been at work and not gave 100% but I still do enough to get through my workload successfully without any mistakes.

Ryan McGivern didn't give a **** about hibs and it showed in his performances, which is as unprofessional as it gets.

Bye Ryan.

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078246']Can't agree.

I've been at work and not gave 100% but I still do enough to get through my workload successfully without any mistakes.

Ryan McGivern didn't give a **** about hibs and it showed in his performances, which is as unprofessional as it gets.

Bye Ryan.

Sorry, but if you didn't give 100%, what aspects of your job did you not do? Seems to me you've cherry picked what you consider the important parts of your job, and are disregarding other bits. A bit like Ryan did.

[RP1875]

;4078246']Can't agree.

I've been at work and not gave 100% but I still do enough to get through my workload successfully without any mistakes.

Ryan McGivern didn't give a **** about hibs and it showed in his performances, which is as unprofessional as it gets.

Bye Ryan.


:top marks

[Callum_62]

cherry picked what you consider the important parts of your job, and are disregarding other bits. A bit like Ryan did.

Bad footballer

Even worse cherry picker

[Hibby70]

I give 100% at my job every day.

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[The_Horde]

Sorry, but if you didn't give 100%, what aspects of your job did you not do? Seems to me you've cherry picked what you consider the important parts of your job, and are disregarding other bits. A bit like Ryan did.

I didn't give 100% but I still did what I had to do and successfully.

The difference is McGivern is only asked to give 100% for 2 hours 5 days a week and picks up a greater sum of money at the end of it than I probably did in a whole months work.

I was merely a cog in a machine, accountable to only one. (My boss, who sets the standards btw)

Ryan McGivern failed to meet the standards expected of a Hibernian player and deserves to be gone.

[RP1875]

I give 100% at my job every day.

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Me too.

*posted from his works desktop computer*

[TheFamous1875]

Seen Hanlon leave the balmoral with his partner and Ally McCoist this afternoon.

Nae one pick up on this?


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[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078264']I didn't give 100% but I still did what I had to do and successfully.

The difference is McGivern is only asked to give 100% for 2 hours 5 days a week and picks up a greater sum of money at the end of it than I probably did in a whole months work.

I was merely a cog in a machine, accountable to only one. (My boss, who sets the standards btw)

Ryan McGivern failed to meet the standards expected of a Hibernian player and deserves to be gone.

There is no difference at all, from what I can see. You both sell your employer short, because you don't do everything that's expected of you.

WTF does "the standards expected of a Hibernian player" mean? You sound like you work in HR.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Nae one pick up on this?


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Apparently most people have more sense.

[RP1875]

Nae one pick up on this?


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3some?:confused:

[givescotlandfreedom]

Gonna have a beer to this news. Disagree about Heff, I believe with service he can rip the league apart


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Likewise pal.

[RP1875]

There is no difference at all, from what I can see. You both sell your employer short, because you don't do everything that's expected of you.

WTF does "the standards expected of a Hibernian player" mean? You sound like you work in HR.

Try your hardest and don't get ****in' relegated I would imagine. :aok:

[The_Horde]

There is no difference at all, from what I can see. You both sell your employer short, because you don't do everything that's expected of you.

WTF does "the standards expected of a Hibernian player" mean? You sound like you work in HR.

I didn't have to be at 100% all of the time in my work to get the job done.

Ryan has to give his best to get in the team and then he has to impress his team mates, manager and thousands of supporters by giving 100% again.

He failed to do so. He failed to meet those standards (hence nobody likes him) And he deserves to be gone.

[SaulGoodman]

Me too.

*posted from his works desktop computer*

Me three.

*Sent from the Council van*

[The_Horde]

Me giving or not giving 100% doesn't matter a jot.

Those are the standards expected of being a hibs player and if you don't manage to reach those standards someone else will.

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078291']I didn't have to be at 100% all of the time in my work to get the job done.

Ryan has to give his best to get in the team and then he has to impress his team mates, manager and thousands of supporters by giving 100% again.

He failed to do so. He failed to meet those standards (hence nobody likes him) And he deserves to be gone.

You are spectacularly, or deliberately, missing the point.

If you give 100% you are doing everything that us expected of you. It doesn't matter what those expectations are, it's the amount of them you deliver.

So if you don't meet all that's expected of you in your job, then you are the same as Ryan.

[Bostonhibby]

Me too.

*posted from his works desktop computer*

Self employed, do what I have to as best I can otherwise nae money. Bit like Lewis Stevenson, not like some others I have seen in a Hibs shirt.

Mind you the boss is a bas***d :-)

Posted from Kims bar Estartit.

[Phil D. Rolls]

[QUOTE='Slenj.=];4078296']Me giving or not giving 100% doesn't matter a jot.

Those are the standards expected of being a hibs player and if you don't manage to reach those standards someone else will.[/QUOT


So what you are saying is that you have higher expectations of Hibs employees than than you do for yourself as an employee.

That's a wee bit cheeky is it not?

[Keith_M]

This is football we're talking about, nobody is allowed to give only 100%.


Unless the boss says, "The boys gave [110%|200%|300%| etc]", then it's just not good enough.





'posted from my living room, still in my PJs, eating a yoghurt'

[Brightside]

Nae one pick up on this?


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nope coz its guff

[TheFamous1875]

nope coz its guff

That's kinda my point!


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[The_Horde]

You are spectacularly, or deliberately, missing the point.

If you give 100% you are doing everything that us expected of you. It doesn't matter what those expectations are, it's the amount of them you deliver.

So if you don't meet all that's expected of you in your job, then you are the same as Ryan.

You're right. I am deliberately missing the point because your point is pish and pretty much everyone in here agrees that McGivern made his own bed.

I expect to get back what I and everyone else on here put into the club. Which IS 100%.

Now I've got better things to do than debate with you about work.

[Thecat23]

It's heartening to read how so many people on here give 100% to their employer. No matter what your bosses ask you to do, no matter how stupid the company's objectives are, you still do your absolute best, never moan, never shirk a job, and never make a mistake.

McGivern was garbage, but as someone said, he was a young man that did what young men do. Get over the fact that you never played for Hibs, and stop putting false expectations on those that do.

Too often, in here, you hear what are thinly disguised attempts by posters to say they could have played professionally. Stuff like, "get them back and train them till they are good enough". Meaning of course, "if I could train as much as them, I'd be as good as them".

At the end of the day, he's a far better player than most people on here will ever be. Maybe if he'd tried harder, he'd have made less mistakes. Funnily enough, the best pro. at the club, Lewis Stevenson, still takes pelters from the guttersnipe element of our support.

I don't think you can compare a footballer to a normal job bud. They train everyday to make sure that come sat they do the job correct. He is a pro and shouldn't be out drinking all the time as it was clear to see it was effecting him and that impacts us.

Going out after defeats to Hearts and things is not on. Speaking to other pros they couldn't believe the things the players were doing and how they treated Hibs.

It's a short career and if he wants to drink all the time he's in the wrong job. I hope to god he gets his move for us as well as himself.

[Hibiza]

great. add the hairdressers to the landlords.

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078314']You're right. I am deliberately missing the point because your point is pish and pretty much everyone in here agrees that McGivern made his own bed.

I expect to get back what I and everyone else on here put into the club. Which IS 100%.

Now I've got better things to do than debate with you about work.

Get over yourself. If you can't handle having your points tested, then maybe getting into arguments isn't for you.

Calling my post "pish" just sounds childish, as does saying "pretty much everyone on here agrees".

By the way, sorry for keeping you from better things, but IIRC it was you that responded to my post, not the other way around.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I don't think you can compare a footballer to a normal job bud. They train everyday to make sure that come sat they do the job correct. He is a pro and shouldn't be out drinking all the time as it was clear to see it was effecting him and that impacts us.

Going out after defeats to Hearts and things is not on. Speaking to other pros they couldn't believe the things the players were doing and how they treated Hibs.

It's a short career and if he wants to drink all the time he's in the wrong job. I hope to god he gets his move for us as well as himself.

I don't think you can compare them either. Yet, time and again, people come on here and talk about them as if they were normal employees.

I agree McGivern should be moved because he has developed into a good old fashioned waster. I wouldn't dream of saying that I am not though.

[Thecat23]

I don't think you can compare them either. Yet, time and again, people come on here and talk about them as if they were normal employees.

I agree McGivern should be moved because he has developed into a good old fashioned waster.

It's mental the way he's went downhill since he first arrived. He's not even a shadow of the player he looks like someone out the crowd asked to play and hasn't kicked a ball in about 5 years.

[Phil D. Rolls]

It's mental the way he's went downhill since he first arrived. He's not even a shadow of the player he looks like someone out the crowd asked to play and hasn't kicked a ball in about 5 years.

I have worked in places that have been ****. Everybody keeps their head down, does the bare minimum, and shirks personal responsibility.

[Thecat23]

I have worked in places that have been ****. Everybody keeps their head down, does the bare minimum, and shirks personal responsibility.

Oh ****... I think you may have worked with me 😄

Joking aside I have too and it's frustrating as hell.


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[Baader]

I have worked in places that have been ****. Everybody keeps their head down, does the bare minimum, and shirks personal responsibility.

Were you watched by a crowd of thousands at the time?

[Bristolhibby]

More good news. It just keeps on coming. :aok:

Hibernian Football Club now needs to seriously consider the type of players it brings into the club in future. I think LD made reference to that at one point recently?

This IS incorouging. It reads to me that they need the mental commitment as well as the ability.

Lets see the signings now.

J

[Phil D. Rolls]

Were you watched by a crowd of thousands at the time?

No, what's your point?

[SMAXXA]

Never been the same player since he got injured, since then he has been ****ing hopeless and he won't be missed by me

[My_Wife_Camille]

No, what's your point?

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that maybe he thinks that having thousands of people paying to watch you might make a bit of a difference to the situation. And I agree

[Baader]

No, what's your point?

Namely that equating McGivern's obvious decline as a footballer to your own personal experience of working in places you term as **** are incomparable.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Namely that equating McGivern's obvious decline as a footballer to your own personal experience of working in places you term as **** are incomparable.

Well, I can see a few comparisons. In my job I rely on other people to do their bit as well, once morale drops you start to question what the point of trying is; after a while you realise you are going to get paid whatever happens. Sometimes you meet people outside of work, and you all agree that it's not your fault that the place is **** - it's usually the manager. So you wait for a new manager to come in, they always do. When the new boss comes in, you say they are even worse than the last, but who gives a monkeys the place is ****ed and its not your fault.

[The_Horde]

I don't think you can compare them either. Yet, time and again, people come on here and talk about them as if they were normal employees.

I agree McGivern should be moved because he has developed into a good old fashioned waster. I wouldn't dream of saying that I am not though.

I think you'll find the person who brought up the employment stuff was you.

Your point IS pish, you know fine well what I'm saying yet you continually go back to the 100% nonsense.

The reason people bring up their employment in relation to football players is because it's unfair that they get away with under performing on such a regular basis (when we'd be sacked or demoted) and yet they get paid the same for it. Meanwhile we've worked a full week, made a fraction of their money and spent most of it on watching them not give a jot.

Players like McGivern take advantage of that and do the bare minimum as long as they can afford to dress well and have a few nights out a week. They want to live like superstars but have no ambition to actually become superstars.

So whilst I don't think being employed and being a footballer is the same I can understand where people are coming from when they use work situations in arguments.

Footballers have it easy compared to most of usand all you expect from them is their all, yet we rarely get it.

[The_Horde]

Well, I can see a few comparisons. In my job I rely on other people to do their bit as well, once morale drops you start to question what the point of trying is; after a while you realise you are going to get paid whatever happens. Sometimes you meet people outside of work, and you all agree that it's not your fault that the place is **** - it's usually the manager. So you wait for a new manager to come in, they always do. When the new boss comes in, you say they are even worse than the last, but who gives a monkeys the place is ****ed and its not your fault.

How do you know that's what made him personally decline and how do you know it would be different if we had someone else in charge?

We have Stubbs now and he doesn't fancy him. Stubbs is bound to have seen him play before as he managed in the same league. Surely if there was a player there we'd be keeping him?

[NAE NOOKIE]

It's heartening to read how so many people on here give 100% to their employer. No matter what your bosses ask you to do, no matter how stupid the company's objectives are, you still do your absolute best, never moan, never shirk a job, and never make a mistake.

McGivern was garbage, but as someone said, he was a young man that did what young men do. Get over the fact that you never played for Hibs, and stop putting false expectations on those that do.

Too often, in here, you hear what are thinly disguised attempts by posters to say they could have played professionally. Stuff like, "get them back and train them till they are good enough". Meaning of course, "if I could train as much as them, I'd be as good as them".

At the end of the day, he's a far better player than most people on here will ever be. Maybe if he'd tried harder, he'd have made less mistakes. Funnily enough, the best pro. at the club, Lewis Stevenson, still takes pelters from the guttersnipe element of our support.

The difference is that when you are a professional player you know that if you are lucky you will last 10 - 15 years. At Hibs level you need to last that long to make enough money to be able to survive when you stop playing. When a player is still young his reason for existing has to be putting in 100% all day, every day, in the hope that one day he will get a move to a club where he earns £10,000 a week instead of £1,500

That's the difference between buying a pub and spending 40 years working 50 hours a week running it yourself and buying a string of pubs and having someone run them for you while you kick back on the beach.

Unless a player is a complete simpleton he has to be aware of this. So forget about playing for the jersey or giving 100% for the fans. I would expect a Hibs player to train and train and practice and practice so that the latter of these two options is more likely.

Lewis Stevenson is a shining example of a player whose limited ability should make him a first division player, but hard work and dedication has made him an SPL player for 10 years.

Given the possible rewards its not unreasonable to expect any professional player to give everything they can.

[TheReg!]

I don't think you can compare a footballer to a normal job bud. They train everyday to make sure that come sat they do the job correct. He is a pro and shouldn't be out drinking all the time as it was clear to see it was effecting him and that impacts us.

Going out after defeats to Hearts and things is not on. Speaking to other pros they couldn't believe the things the players were doing and how they treated Hibs.

It's a short career and if he wants to drink all the time he's in the wrong job. I hope to god he gets his move for us as well as himself.

Absolutly this ^^^, you know what I do for a living mate! If I touch the booze, there is no way that I can perform to my optimum for at least 3-4 days, I have feel like I have cheated if I don't give 100% effort and professionalism. I would love to do a few pre season sessions with the Hibs team, they would be in for a shock for the standard that I would set them.

[Thecat23]

Absolutly this ^^^, you know what I do for a living mate! If I touch the booze, there is no way that I can perform to my optimum for at least 3-4 days, I have feel like I have cheated if I don't give 100% effort and professionalism. I would love to do a few pre season sessions with the Hibs team, they would be in for a shock for the standard that I would set them.

Hopefully Stubbs cuts out this attitude and brings in players who would rather win and want to play for this club, than just turning up as if it's a chore to them.


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[GreenCastle]

;4078368']Players like McGivern take advantage of that and do the bare minimum as long as they can afford to dress well and have a few nights out a week. They want to live like superstars but have no ambition to actually become superstars.

So whilst I don't think being employed and being a footballer is the same I can understand where people are coming from when they use work situations in arguments.

Footballers have it easy compared to most of us and all you expect from them is their all, yet we rarely get it.

:agree:

Unlike some on here I don't think McGivern is as bad as many are making out - I'm seen worse players at Hibs. He has talent but the key is that he doesn't seem to want to improve on it and spends most of his time on George St.

Players like Latapy could get away with it as they had the talent and produced - when you don't produce it leaves you open for severe criticism.

Nelson doesn't have the talent but seems to be more professional - but still think he needs to move on - he isn't the long term solution and we need players who can pass the ball under pressure.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

I for one will miss McGivern, very underrated and gets too much undeserved criticism!























Just kidding :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078368']I think you'll find the person who brought up the employment stuff was you.

Your point IS pish, you know fine well what I'm saying yet you continually go back to the 100% nonsense.

The reason people bring up their employment in relation to football players is because it's unfair that they get away with under performing on such a regular basis (when we'd be sacked or demoted) and yet they get paid the same for it. Meanwhile we've worked a full week, made a fraction of their money and spent most of it on watching them not give a jot.

Players like McGivern take advantage of that and do the bare minimum as long as they can afford to dress well and have a few nights out a week. They want to live like superstars but have no ambition to actually become superstars.

So whilst I don't think being employed and being a footballer is the same I can understand where people are coming from when they use work situations in arguments.

Footballers have it easy compared to most of usand all you expect from them is their all, yet we rarely get it.

Yes.

[TheReg!]

Hopefully Stubbs cuts out this attitude and brings in players who would rather win and want to play for this club, than just turning up as if it's a chore to them.


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I'm sure he will, but we need to get rid of the majority of last seasons players for us to move forward.

As it happens mate, I think TB would brought in the right players if we stayed up.

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078371']How do you know that's what made him personally decline and how do you know it would be different if we had someone else in charge?

We have Stubbs now and he doesn't fancy him. Stubbs is bound to have seen him play before as he managed in the same league. Surely if there was a player there we'd be keeping him?

You have one hell of an imagination.

By the way, I didn't say we should keep him. I said people who say he's a waster should take a look at themselves, before they go calling him for everything, just because he had a chance to do something they would like to have done.

[Deansy]

Can we stop bad-mouthing Ryan McGivern - Port Vale fans are reading this thread and may look out clips of the donkey 'playing' (well, dressed in a football-strip with boots on !!) and start a mass 'NO-Protest' therefore threatening this alleged transfer ??.

[The_Horde]

You have one hell of an imagination.

By the way, I didn't say we should keep him. I said people who say he's a waster should take a look at themselves, before they go calling him for everything, just because he had a chance to do something they would like to have done.

Why thankyou.

I know you didn't. And I never called him a waster he just didn't give a **** about hibs.

Now he has an opportunity to go somewhere and actually give a crap and do something about it. I hope he takes it.

[The_Horde]

Can we stop bad-mouthing Ryan McGivern - Port Vale fans are reading this thread and may look out clips of the donkey 'playing' (well, dressed in a football-strip with boots on !!) and start a mass 'NO-Protest' therefore threatening this alleged transfer ??.

You're right.

Stubbs what are you playing at?

I enjoy watching hibs concede goals. This has to be Petrie surely?

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078400']Why thankyou.

I know you didn't. And I never called him a waster he just didn't give a **** about hibs.

Now he has an opportunity to go somewhere and actually give a crap and do something about it. I hope he takes it.

Yes.

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078403']You're right.

Stubbs what are you playing at?

I enjoy watching hibs concede goals. This has to be Petrie surely?

youd get the wrong end of a one handled stick.

[The_Horde]

youd get the wrong end of a one handled stick.

I think you may be the one with the wrong end of the stick here pal.

Whoosh.

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078413']I think you may be the one with the wrong end of the stick here pal.

Whoosh.

Is the correct answer! :greengrin

[The_Horde]

Is the correct answer! :greengrin

Now who's in HR?

[MrRobot]

Can't wait to see the headline that he has left Hibs. No effort, commitment or care. Players with his attitude are always going to fail as he now has. Still time for him to screw the nut and try to improve, however I genuinely hope it is with another club.

[Phil D. Rolls]

;4078418']Now who's in HR?

You are mad. :bye:

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Thank F:::k!

He singlehandedly cost us over a dozen points last season due to his utter carelessness. He is a calamity and a time bomb.

I won't go on for fear of scuppering any deal to England!

[Oscar T Grouch]

So he's still employed by Hibs then? Nae word of him moving on? Shame really, everyone seems so excited about it. Do we know if or when this will be announced officially? I'm no getting ma hopes up before then.

[Diclonius]

Good riddance ya ****. Couldn't be bothered. :bye:

[SouthamptonHibs]

Happy days. Awful player tata he Wont be missed.
Thanks for the memories.....

[brog]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

[WhileTheChief..]

We've had far worse than him over the last few years.

I wish him all the best if he moves on.

[Lago]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

Your not alone, I agree 100% with your post.

[GlenrothesHibee]

I never understood why people raved about him. I remember one time at Easter Road against Celtic (cant remember score) he was our MOTM. I was stunned as he hardly made a tackle or found his man with a pass. Just shows how poor we were. Looking forward to the start of a new era

[Tynie01011973]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

Agree

Apparently it's open Scapegoat season on .Net at the present time.

[Smartie]

It's mental the way he's went downhill since he first arrived. He's not even a shadow of the player he looks like someone out the crowd asked to play and hasn't kicked a ball in about 5 years.

This is for me the most significant post in this whole thread and the one we need to pay most attention to.

We've all had a chuckle at the Kujabi thread over the past few days but someone should dig out the threads relating to McGivern. In the early part of his loan spell I thought he was the real deal. Strong in the air, versatile, good in the tackle and more importantly I thought he was excellent on the ball. His touch and distribution were excellent, as you would expect of a player who came from Man City.

Got knows what happened to him but his is the most drastic fall from grace I think I have ever witnessed from a Hibs player. His long hoof straight up in the air has been the most frustrating thing a Hibs player has inflicted on me in years, mainly because I think he 's capable of SO much better. Or maybe it's the cross straight out of play once we've finally got into a decent forward position. Or the hopeless uncontrolled lunge for a tackle in a harmless position. Christ, I'm getting angry again just thinking about it.

Why has this happened?

We've got pages and pages of abuse of RMcG on his way out the door. Fair enough, in years to come when we're looking back on our relegation we'll focus on several images - Petrie's smug pus and 5th choice signings, Collins' hapless lumbering about up front, Nelson's aimless hoofing, Butcher's bewildered coupon after yet another bewilderingly poor performance and result, Malpas falling out with fans. But it will be epitomised for me with the image of McGivern giving the ball away for the 1st Hamilton goal at ER that we absolutely had to not give away to allow them back into the tie. He is the face of our relegation and his departure will be symbolic in putting it behind us and moving on.

There has to be something to be learned from this because I hope this never happens to another Hibs player.

[Smartie]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

There are an awful lot of very good points in here. You are not alone.

[skipster7]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.
Spot on, he had a very poor season in a very poor team, doesn't mean he wasn't trying ! I thought he was good when he first came on loan and we were happy to get him signed up. Had a decent link up with Harris at the tail end of last season. It is almost impossible to play a decent forward pass when the vast majority of guys in front offered no movement or were simply hiding. Sone of the abuse way OTT imo

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

Still cannot believe how despite clarification on "abuse" some folks justify it! Beggars belief. When the default goto solution for when the going gets tough is "abuse", then surely it's time to rethink. Is that kind of relationship with the club's player a healthy for anyone? When it gets to Pleas from managers (here I thinking Yogi with Nish) fall on deaf ears we're on a slippery slope.

"All we are saying is give Hibs a chance..."

[ekhibee]

:applause: My feelings exactly, John. lewis and Paul are the last players we should be looking to unload just now. Neither is a world-beater, but both are honest players who consistently give 100% whenever they play. The back four certainly missed Paul last season, and for all the barracking Lewis gets, he still turns in good performances whenever asked.

Every club needs players like those two, and the way some guys get after them on here mystifies me. :rolleyes:
Difficult one. We've had plenty of pish players that gave 100% but at the end of the day they're still pish. I wouldn't say either Stevenson or Hanlon are pish, but if we are building a new team I would wonder how Stevenson, in particular, would enhance our performances. There are better players out there than both of them, it all depends if we are in a position to buy them.

[MrSmith]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

Can't disagree with a single word! I was delighted when he came back here after his loan period, he was a great player for us then. I'm disappointed things haven't worked out but lets be clear, Ryan isn't the only one at fault and for me, this is all the way from top to bottom!

Good luck Ryan, hope you can catch that early form you showed fro us.

[Thecat23]

Guys it's not about the abuse. This isn't made up this was happening every w'end and midweek. He was out getting pissed seen it myself many times as I'm friends with those involved with a few pubs on George st.

He treated this club with utter disrespect when we needed all players to step up. He had no real competition for his place and was happy to just turn up for a wage while letting his game go to pot.

Not only did it effect him it effected us hugely. If he stayed focused then fine I'd along with many say "it's just a bad season" so before you think for one min he's getting it tight for no reason you are wrong.

Many folk like to post "fact" when really it's rubbish. But McGivern and his drinking a huge issue and turning up at training feeling rough didn't help!!! No this wasn't often granted but once was enough and the fact he kept going out after defeats says all about how he felt about us.

So.... Ryan don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Hope this clears up a few things.


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[Berwickhibby]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

You are not alone Brian, Ryan's performance dropped along with others thanks to our previous managers incompetent training and tactics

[AlbertK86]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

Well said mate

[Gmack7]

:agree::agree:
Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

[malagahibby]

Well said mate

Agreed .

[hibee_girl]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

:agree:

[TrinityHibs]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

Have to agree B. Last season was not solely down to him

[we are hibs]

Ryan McGivern is a non trying wage thief who won't be missed IMO. He was blowing out his arse after 15 minutes vs killie game before the play offs. Never a footballer.

[Bostonhibby]

[QUOTE=Thecat23;4078658]Guys it's not about the abuse. This isn't made up this was happening every w'end and midweek. He was out getting pissed seen it myself many times as I'm friends with those involved with a few pubs on George st.

He treated this club with utter disrespect when we needed all players to step up. He had no real competition for his place and was happy to just turn up for a wage while letting his game go to pot.

Not only did it effect him it effected us hugely. If he stayed focused then fine I'd along with many say "it's just a bad season" so before you think for one min he's getting it tight for no reason you are wrong.

Many folk like to post "fact" when really it's rubbish. But McGivern and his drinking a huge issue and turning up at training feeling rough didn't help!!! No this wasn't often granted but once was enough and the fact he kept going out after defeats says all about how he felt about us.

So.... Ryan don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Hope this clears up a few things.

Agree this. Respect is earned. No problem with poor performances if its just the best the guy can do but there's been too many who haven't performed on the pitch who are at the top of their form in George st.

Wish they were as committed to the club as many of us here seem to be.

If we accept it or say nothing when we see examples like this we will continue to enjoy the fruits of the last couple of seasons.

[Stax]

I remember Callum Booth getting slated on here for being 'too fond of the bevvy/poor attitude'. Another .net fact. I don't know if alcohol contributed to Mcgiverns undeniably poor season, but I do remember being happy when we signed him. Like others have said he looked like a player ( I prefered him at CH). He was just one of many caught up in the utter tripe we've been subjected to over the last few seasons.

[Stuarty27]

Id drive him to Port Vale if i knew he was going.

Absolute honking footballer and i would put him in the top 5 all time worst players ever to play for Hibs.

Please please be true

[3pm]

Absolute honking footballer and i would put him in the top 5 all time worst players ever to play for Hibs.

You can only have seen 5 then. Slaver.

[Thecat23]

[QUOTE=Thecat23;4078658]Guys it's not about the abuse. This isn't made up this was happening every w'end and midweek. He was out getting pissed seen it myself many times as I'm friends with those involved with a few pubs on George st.

He treated this club with utter disrespect when we needed all players to step up. He had no real competition for his place and was happy to just turn up for a wage while letting his game go to pot.

Not only did it effect him it effected us hugely. If he stayed focused then fine I'd along with many say "it's just a bad season" so before you think for one min he's getting it tight for no reason you are wrong.

Many folk like to post "fact" when really it's rubbish. But McGivern and his drinking a huge issue and turning up at training feeling rough didn't help!!! No this wasn't often granted but once was enough and the fact he kept going out after defeats says all about how he felt about us.

So.... Ryan don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Hope this clears up a few things.

Agree this. Respect is earned. No problem with poor performances if its just the best the guy can do but there's been too many who haven't performed on the pitch who are at the top of their form in George st.

Wish they were as committed to the club as many of us here seem to be.

If we accept it or say nothing when we see examples like this we will continue to enjoy the fruits of the last couple of seasons.

Spot on. The fact when he first came and fought to be in the team was great. When he knew we were poor he chucked it. I actually can't stand him for the way he's treated this club.

The guy had talent but thought **** it only hibs.


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[emerald green]

Stubbs said yesterday he will be working with LD and George Craig in identifying the type of player needed for the team and the club and he will get the final say as it's his team. Hopefully this will stop the usual panic buy huddies we usually bring to the club and we actually have a plan of bringing players in to do a specific job in a specific position. :aok:

:agree:

[jane_says]

You can only have seen 5 then. Slaver.

Hahahaha brilliant reply

[Bostonhibby]

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Spot on. The fact when he first came and fought to be in the team was great. When he knew we were poor he chucked it. I actually can't stand him for the way he's treated this club.

The guy had talent but thought **** it only hibs.


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Or we could always wait until he, and others like him wanted to try for us again? Maybe its me but it could be how we have become soft touches, the opposition know it and some players did as well.

Over and out.

[S4uzee]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.
Think the way he celebrated Cummings goals v Hamilton showed he cared but have also heard he used to go out midweek which is unacceptable

[JJP]

Seems like I'm in a minority of 1 but I'm appalled at the abuse being handed out to RM here. Without doubt he had a terrible season, not many players didn't, but I think our opinions of him are influenced by our original high expectations. At no stage however did I think he was shirking or not giving his all for Hibs. In a season where nearly every player was hiding & treating the ball like a hot potato he showed up more often than most. In the last game, either he's an Oscar winning actor or he was devastated. I've been following Hibs for 60 years, & last season was worse than conceding 18 goals in 3 finals to Celtc, our prior 2 relegations & other more recent games. However, a torrent of abuse to a young man who's already had many challenges in his career does not, IMO, reflect well on this board & remember, at present AFAIK he remains a Hibs player.

You're not alone. Embarrassing thead. One of the worst.

[trev the hat]

Ryan McGivern is a non trying wage thief who won't be missed IMO. He was blowing out his arse after 15 minutes vs killie game before the play offs. Never a footballer.

Thanks, this saved me typing.

[Baldy Foghorn]

You're not alone. Embarrassing thead. One of the worst.

Why? RM couldn't wait to go on the lash after a match.......Makes him a fud in my eyes

[Thecat23]

Thanks, this saved me typing.

Hey bud, what was our bet again? Not being funny but I can't mind and can't remember the thread lol. Was it about Butcher going?

[Ross89]

Thought Mcgivern was fantastic when he first came, but his form did regress.

Don't think he's as bad as many posters are making out though. I wish Ryan all the best when/if he moves on.

[pacorosssco]

Looked good at first never same after injury .contract man city from young age with crazy wage kills a lot of young footballers desire. Mikey sy stewart made more money by 23 than a hartly who kept at it