John Collins.

[Yuillsy]

I apologise for going against my promise not to comment on my relatives at Hibs but your post is suggesting I am not telling the truth
The Manager requires the respect of all his players and staff and has to return that respect for him to manage well - FACT
The relatives who were there at that time were under 21 players one of them asked JC twice for help on a personal football matter because he he could not get satisfaction from his immediate " boss" He was turned down on both occasions and a senior player ended up advising the lad
This is not "my opinion" it actually happened and there were other instances which it would not be correct to tell about on here , being personal to those players involved
Does that answer your question ? Please let me know :wink::greengrin
Also I would add I have met JC on many occasions socially at functions and he is a lovely man - it is a pleasure to be in his company .

Football management is no different to any other business mangement .The person in charge has to EARN the respect of the peopl under his control

Sorry for playing detective. Are the relatives you speak of the 2 players you said are currently playing for Hibs?
If they were the under 21 players at the time I can only really think of Paul Hanlon and Lewis Stevenson.
Lewis appeared to have a good relationship with Collins, Hanlon I think made his full debut after Collins left.
Back on subject could Collins have learnt from his mistakes the 1st time? I'm not sure, but is it so bad that a manager demands the very best from his squad?
We could do a lot worse than Collins but I'm not sure it's going to happen anyway.

[jdships]

Sorry for playing detective. Are the relatives you speak of the 2 players you said are currently playing for Hibs?
If they were the under 21 players at the time I can only really think of Paul Hanlon and Lewis Stevenson.
Lewis appeared to have a good relationship with Collins, Hanlon I think made his full debut after Collins left.
Back on subject could Collins have learnt from his mistakes the 1st time? I'm not sure, but is it so bad that a manager demands the very best from his squad?
We could do a lot worse than Collins but I'm not sure it's going to happen anyway.

No those two moved on the season after Collins left and of the two "distant" ( Cousins g children no less !!) rellies at EM this season only one is still around .
Given JC is an intelligent man I believe he will have learned from his " mistakes" :agree:
Think the critical point with JC is " mutual respecT" it has to come from both sides.
As I said previously he is a smashing guy to be with socially !!

[Unseen work]

But the point is you can't beat the guy with the fact he signed players who a) we all, or most, thought were going to odd something or b) players who were 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice.

These players didn't live up to what they did before or what some have done since. Why?

It's hardly a new theme with Hibs players so why is that Collins fault?

Why didn't he get first choice signings? Who is to blame for that? Again, that is hardly a new thing is it?

imo you can, because as manager it is his job to make the players and the team a success. Its the same at every other club if a manager signs a player who doesnt perform it his responsibility and mistake. Obviously the player doesnt do what he was expected but its upto the manager to utilise this player.

We thought they were going to add something as we seen them play 1 or 2 good games, seen they used to play for a good team etc. I give every player a chance and let him get on with it and base my opinion for what hes done at hibs. If he doesnt perform then thats it. Im not the one that goes and scouts the players and watch them week in week out, nor do any fan i imagine. If your manager of a team the size of hibs and your signings that you have watched/been advised on do not succeed it is your responsibility. Even if tommy craig suggested o'brien and kerr its still upto the manager to asses both these players.

He was wanting some unrealistic players back then who we would of had to offer massive wages to tempt them away from teams they were going to sign for.

Of the players he signed i think only jonelit has went on to be a success elsewhere at a higher level than us, Alan o'brien works for a car dealership now!

[chrisski33]

We go on about collins signings but i reckon they were better than calderwoods, fenlons and butchers!

[sauzee_4]

If winning trophies is all that matters, let's bring back Miller. At least he was with us for the long haul and didn't quit at the first sign of trouble.

And one of the complaints about Butcher was his inability to man manage, so Collins won't be an improvement there.

Man management is important. And John Collins' man management had us go from 7th in the league to 5th when he left, with a cup win in the bag, despite selling £9m worth of talent.

Being 'popular' doesn't make you a good 'man manager'.

Common misconception on here.

[Eyrie]

Man management is important. And John Collins' man management had us go from 7th in the league to 5th when he left, with a cup win in the bag, despite selling £9m worth of talent.

Being 'popular' doesn't make you a good 'man manager'.

Common misconception on here.

A wise man once said that it is better to be feared than loved. But it's far better to be respected, so I refer you to jdship's remark about respect going both ways.

[sauzee_4]

A wise man once said that it is better to be feared than loved. But it's far better to be respected, so I refer you to jdship's remark about respect going both ways.

I'm not disagreeing that respect goes both ways my point is this. His record was good. Fantastic compared with every manager we've had since. So his 'man-management' could not have been that bad, and if it was who gives a s***, we were winning games!

That being said, I'm not sure I would have him back as he's been out of management for a while now.

[sahib]

I'm not disagreeing that respect goes both ways my point is this. His record was good. Fantastic compared with every manager we've had since. So his 'man-management' could not have been that bad, and if it was who gives a s***, we were winning games!

That being said, I'm not sure I would have him back as he's been out of management for a while now.

After reading this thread, I would have him back. My memories of his spell as manager, were of us dropping down the league before he left. His style of football being dull and unexciting to watch and latterly ineffective, which could be down to the quality of players he had assembled by that point.
He would probably get us out of this division, eventually and it would settle this debate one way or another.