Postal Workers Fight Against Delivering the SUN

[Scouse Hibee]

Solidarity with Skelmersdale post workers who are refusing to deliver the Sun
The following is a statement from Royal Mail workers at the Skelmersdale Post Office Depot….
“Next Thursday and Friday the Sun plan to send through Royal Mail 22,000,000 copies of a World Cup issue of the Sun.
Liverpool, Warrington, and some CH postcodes are exempt from this. However, as it stands the staff at Skelmersdale are being told we will have to deliver them.
With the backing of the CWU, this morning we informed them that if any copies of the Sun cross the gates, we will walk out
We have been urging people to voice their concerns about this by ringing customer services. Any support would be gratefully appreciated, let’s stop 60,000 copies of that ***** from coming out.“
The customer services number is 03457740740.
Please share this number far and wide, give it a call, show solidarity with the posties, and let the bosses know you don’t want the Sun pushing through your door!

Good on them JFT96

[Lester B]

Solidarity with Skelmersdale post workers who are refusing to deliver the Sun
The following is a statement from Royal Mail workers at the Skelmersdale Post Office Depot….
“Next Thursday and Friday the Sun plan to send through Royal Mail 22,000,000 copies of a World Cup issue of the Sun.
Liverpool, Warrington, and some CH postcodes are exempt from this. However, as it stands the staff at Skelmersdale are being told we will have to deliver them.
With the backing of the CWU, this morning we informed them that if any copies of the Sun cross the gates, we will walk out
We have been urging people to voice their concerns about this by ringing customer services. Any support would be gratefully appreciated, let’s stop 60,000 copies of that ***** from coming out.“
The customer services number is 03457740740.
Please share this number far and wide, give it a call, show solidarity with the posties, and let the bosses know you don’t want the Sun pushing through your door!

Good on them JFT96


As an ex postie and someone who knows people who were there that day :top marks to those involved.

[Wilbur]

Surely posties get paid to deliver whatever comes through Royal Mails network?

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Surely posties get paid to deliver whatever comes through Royal Mails network?

No. They get paid to carry the wee red cards of the stuff they can't be bothered to carry :cb

[Billy McKirdy]

As a former seasonal postie, my biggest hate was having to deliver the hundreds of cable tv magazines once a month so can imagine every single address would be a total pain.
I thought Skelmersdale was in Lancashire not Merseyside, you live and you learn.

[GoldenEagle]

Seriously the UK has got bigger problems than some half ersed attempt at proving that unions still have any form of power.
Absolutely pathetic considering the way that they've sold their souls over the last two decades.

Not delivering a newspaper will tell them eh.

[Lester B]

Seriously the UK has got bigger problems than some half ersed attempt at proving that unions still have any form of power.
Absolutely pathetic considering the way that they've sold their souls over the last two decades.

Not delivering a newspaper will tell them eh.

Oaf

[green&left]

Good on em.

12741

[Moon unit]

As a former seasonal postie, my biggest hate was having to deliver the hundreds of cable tv magazines once a month so can imagine every single address would be a total pain.
I thought Skelmersdale was in Lancashire not Merseyside, you live and you learn.

Boundary changes put many parts of Lancashire in Merseyside and greater Manchester!
My old house was 100 yards inside Merseyside my pals ended up being Manc's!..

.HFC/LFC :)

[Mcpakeisgod]

If its a world cup orientated version I look forward to it ! Can't wait for this years world cup !

[Bleeds green]

Seriously the UK has got bigger problems than some half ersed attempt at proving that unions still have any form of power.
Absolutely pathetic considering the way that they've sold their souls over the last two decades.

Not delivering a newspaper will tell them eh.

Seriously!! There's a bigger picture don't be so ignorant


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[lobster]

Solidarity with Skelmersdale post workers who are refusing to deliver the Sun
The following is a statement from Royal Mail workers at the Skelmersdale Post Office Depot….
“Next Thursday and Friday the Sun plan to send through Royal Mail 22,000,000 copies of a World Cup issue of the Sun.
Liverpool, Warrington, and some CH postcodes are exempt from this. However, as it stands the staff at Skelmersdale are being told we will have to deliver them.
With the backing of the CWU, this morning we informed them that if any copies of the Sun cross the gates, we will walk out
We have been urging people to voice their concerns about this by ringing customer services. Any support would be gratefully appreciated, let’s stop 60,000 copies of that ***** from coming out.“
The customer services number is 03457740740.
Please share this number far and wide, give it a call, show solidarity with the posties, and let the bosses know you don’t want the Sun pushing through your door!

Good on them JFT96


:top marks

I'll be phoning my support. None of us should ever forget the disgusting lies told by this vile rag after Hillsborough.
Can't believe some of the reactionary statements on this thread btw.

[Future17]

I thought it was worth pointing out that the reason for the boycott is because of the Sun's actions in the aftermath of the Hillsborough Disaster. I know this may be obvious to some, but there may be others who aren't aware of the geographic significance.

Also, judging by some of the comments on this thread already, there appears to be some people with very short memories and a complete lack of compassion or sensitivity towards a community who, whilst still in shock from the pain and loss of Hillsborough, had salt poured into their open wounds through blatant lies for the sake of a tabloid's profit margin.

There is, perhaps, a wider discussion to be had about the time that has passed and the need for people to move on - for their own sakes as much as anything else. However, this thread probably isn't the place or the time for that to happen.

[Hibrandenburg]

Sad sign of the times when postal workers are cheating kids out of a paper round. No wonder the Teletubbies generation have ended up looking like their childhood idols.

[Bad Martini]

**** the sun and all their pish lies. ****ing right they should refuse and good on them for sticking to their principles

Nobody on or around Merseyside want to see that rag so they can ****ing well ram their paper, free or otherwise.

Lying *******s.

ENDOF

JFT96

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[Hibrandenburg]

**** the sun and all their pish lies. ****ing right they should refuse and good on them for sticking to their principles

Nobody on or around Merseyside want to see that rag so they can ****ing well ram their paper, free or otherwise.

Lying *******s.

ENDOF

JFT96

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Good, then this has obviously been just a massive misunderstanding and nobody wants to see or read that rag, then the posties won't have any in their bags anyway.

[Future17]

Good, then this has obviously been just a massive misunderstanding and nobody wants to see or read that rag, then the posties won't have any in their bags anyway.

I think it's a mass-mail item, not something you have to subscribe to.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I thought it was worth pointing out that the reason for the boycott is because of the Sun's actions in the aftermath of the Hillsborough Disaster. I know this may be obvious to some, but there may be others who aren't aware of the geographic significance.

Also, judging by some of the comments on this thread already, there appears to be some people with very short memories and a complete lack of compassion or sensitivity towards a community who, whilst still in shock from the pain and loss of Hillsborough, had salt poured into their open wounds through blatant lies for the sake of a tabloid's profit margin.

There is, perhaps, a wider discussion to be had about the time that has passed and the need for people to move on - for their own sakes as much as anything else. However, this thread probably isn't the place or the time for that to happen.

I think this is the right place to have these discussions, and I support the postal workers in their strike. Whether its time to move on is for the people effected.

From the outside it looks like things like this don't help bring them closure. Maybe they aren't ready yet, they have had a great wrong done, and it seems to me that those responsible shouid try a bit harder to show they are sorry.

On a general note, this thread seems to be more to do with politics than football. I have no issue with discussing it on the main board, as I see football related stories as a good way to engage people in the wider debate.


That said, it would help me personally to have a bit of guidance about what belongs on the main board and what belongs in the Holy Ground. I have started a couple of threads on here, but been moved to the Holy Ground - presumably because they were political.

A bit of guidance would be appreciated.

[Future17]

I think this is the right place to have these discussions, and I support the postal workers in their strike. Whether its time to move on is for the people effected.

From the outside it looks like things like this don't help bring them closure. Maybe they aren't ready yet, they have had a great wrong done, and it seems to me that those responsible shouid try a bit harder to show they are sorry.

On a general note, this thread seems to be more to do with politics than football. I have no issue with discussing it on the main board, as I see football related stories as a good way to engage people in the wider debate.


That said, it would help me personally to have a bit of guidance about what belongs on the main board and what belongs in the Holy Ground. I have started a couple of threads on here, but been moved to the Holy Ground - presumably because they were political.

A bit of guidance would be appreciated.

Fair enough, I can see your point. I think there is a tendency for threads on here to move very quickly away from the original point and I think the effect of that can sometimes, inadvertently, reflect badly on those who post later (commenting on the comments, but not the original post). However, I suppose that's the nature of discussion forums generally.

The "moving on" discussion is an extremely difficult one because the issue is so sensitive, but I don't necessarily agree with you that the decision is purely for those directly-affected. I don't want to go all "psycho-babble" but it's a fact that those closest to a tragedy will dwell on it for the longest and that doing so is widely considered to be unhealthy for them. People often need help from others who are not so close to the matter in order to "move on".

In the case of Hillsborough, the issue is obviously complicated by continuing battle for justice for the 96 and, until that is properly dealt with, I doubt anyone involved is capable of moving on; understandably so. However, there is an argument that things like the issue raised by the OP only serve as a distraction and prolong the pain of those affected, opening old wounds all over again.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Fair enough, I can see your point. I think there is a tendency for threads on here to move very quickly away from the original point and I think the effect of that can sometimes, inadvertently, reflect badly on those who post later (commenting on the comments, but not the original post). However, I suppose that's the nature of discussion forums generally.

The "moving on" discussion is an extremely difficult one because the issue is so sensitive, but I don't necessarily agree with you that the decision is purely for those directly-affected. I don't want to go all "psycho-babble" but it's a fact that those closest to a tragedy will dwell on it for the longest and that doing so is widely considered to be unhealthy for them. People often need help from others who are not so close to the matter in order to "move on".

In the case of Hillsborough, the issue is obviously complicated by continuing battle for justice for the 96 and, until that is properly dealt with, I doubt anyone involved is capable of moving on; understandably so. However, there is an argument that things like the issue raised by the OP only serve as a distraction and prolong the pain of those affected, opening old wounds all over again.

Very sensitive areas. You sometimes wonder whether there is genuine concern from "we'll wishers" that keep going back to the likes of Denise Bulger, and continually encourage them to talk about their grief.

I sometimes see them as the type of people that gawp at patients on hospital trolleys, or that run to look at a fire or a car crash. They are entertained by the grief, rather than saddened by it.

However, it is very hard for the rest of us to say "move on". I don't think the post-Diana attitude to loss, is helpful either. Some people wear their grief like a badge of honour. Others appear to have been angry for so long, they don't know anything else. And are those who aren't directly effected by the event, but want to be involved - recreational grief, someone on here called it.

[Twa Cairpets]

While I have no desire to buy the Sun, and view it with contempt, the action by the Unions is to me unacceptable.

They don't have the right to deny what a business wants - legally - to do. If some individuals with the Union had strong feelings about, say, UKIP or the BNP should they have the right to refuse to deliver any party political info?

I can understand the emotions and the sensitivity, but living in a democracy carries some downsides as well as positives.

[Beefster]

While I have no desire to buy the Sun, and view it with contempt, the action by the Unions is to me unacceptable.

They don't have the right to deny what a business wants - legally - to do. If some individuals with the Union had strong feelings about, say, UKIP or the BNP should they have the right to refuse to deliver any party political info?

I can understand the emotions and the sensitivity, but living in a democracy carries some downsides as well as positives.

Indeed. The proposed action is akin to censorship by the postal workers.

[Future17]

Very sensitive areas. You sometimes wonder whether there is genuine concern from "we'll wishers" that keep going back to the likes of Denise Bulger, and continually encourage them to talk about their grief.

I sometimes see them as the type of people that gawp at patients on hospital trolleys, or that run to look at a fire or a car crash. They are entertained by the grief, rather than saddened by it.

However, it is very hard for the rest of us to say "move on". I don't think the post-Diana attitude to loss, is helpful either. Some people wear their grief like a badge of honour. Others appear to have been angry for so long, they don't know anything else. And are those who aren't directly effected by the event, but want to be involved - recreational grief, someone on here called it.

:agree:

[calumhibee1]

While I have no desire to buy the Sun, and view it with contempt, the action by the Unions is to me unacceptable.

They don't have the right to deny what a business wants - legally - to do. If some individuals with the Union had strong feelings about, say, UKIP or the BNP should they have the right to refuse to deliver any party political info?

I can understand the emotions and the sensitivity, but living in a democracy carries some downsides as well as positives.

That's exactly the way I see this. :agree:

[emerald green]

Good on em.

12741

:agree: :top marks

[yeezus.]

Surely posties get paid to deliver whatever comes through Royal Mails network?

I don't think so, a postie friend of mine refused to deliver BNP leaflets... and got away with it.

[GoldenEagle]

So by the same account no one in Liverpool will call the police after a burglary, or an assault, due to them (the police) being the biggest lier's of the lot in this whole sad affair which is still a stain on the UK Establishment.


It's tokenism by the postal worker union involved and nothing more. To refuse to deliver any mail, and impact thousands of businesses and ordinary citizens, all because they've been asked to deliver a Sun newspaper?

It's anyones right not to buy the Sun rag but FFS, what's next..turn off the TV because The Sun advertise or refuse to go on a bus if it has The Sun on the side of it?

The only people trivialising this are the Postal Workers union themselves.

[Sir David Gray]

Totally ridiculous decision.

I understand the strength of feeling towards The Sun from those in the Merseyside area but as someone else has already said, postal workers are paid to deliver whatever their employer wants.

To go on strike over this wouldn't be something I would support.

[Hibrandenburg]

Totally ridiculous decision.

I understand the strength of feeling towards The Sun from those in the Merseyside area but as someone else has already said, postal workers are paid to deliver whatever their employer wants.

To go on strike over this wouldn't be something I would support.

So to summarise, we're all prostitutes to our employers and are obliged to succumb to their demands regardless of our personal values?

[Sir David Gray]

So to summarise, we're all prostitutes to our employers and are obliged to succumb to their demands regardless of our personal values?

I think that you should be expected to carry out any task given to you by your employer, provided that it's not unreasonable.

I don't think that being asked to deliver items of mail, when your occupation is a postman, falls into the category of an unreasonable request.

You could apply this situation to a whole host of situations and, to be honest, it's the start of a slippery slope if you've got people being allowed to refuse orders from their employer.

[Gus]

So by the same account no one in Liverpool will call the police after a burglary, or an assault, due to them (the police) being the biggest lier's of the lot in this whole sad affair which is still a stain on the UK Establishment.


It's tokenism by the postal worker union involved and nothing more. To refuse to deliver any mail, and impact thousands of businesses and ordinary citizens, all because they've been asked to deliver a Sun newspaper?

It's anyones right not to buy the Sun rag but FFS, what's next..turn off the TV because The Sun advertise or refuse to go on a bus if it has The Sun on the side of it?

The only people trivialising this are the Postal Workers union themselves.

This

[Lester B]

I think that you should be expected to carry out any task given to you by your employer, provided that it's not unreasonable.

I don't think that being asked to deliver items of mail, when your occupation is a postman, falls into the category of an unreasonable request.

You could apply this situation to a whole host of situations and, to be honest, it's the start of a slippery slope if you've got people being allowed to refuse orders from their employer.

Dismal.

[Lester B]

So by the same account no one in Liverpool will call the police after a burglary, or an assault, due to them (the police) being the biggest lier's of the lot in this whole sad affair which is still a stain on the UK Establishment.


It's tokenism by the postal worker union involved and nothing more. To refuse to deliver any mail, and impact thousands of businesses and ordinary citizens, all because they've been asked to deliver a Sun newspaper?

It's anyones right not to buy the Sun rag but FFS, what's next..turn off the TV because The Sun advertise or refuse to go on a bus if it has The Sun on the side of it?

The only people trivialising this are the Postal Workers union themselves.

Are you deliberately misunderstanding to spark debate on this topic?

[calumhibee1]

I think that you should be expected to carry out any task given to you by your employer, provided that it's not unreasonable.
I don't think that being asked to deliver items of mail, when your occupation is a postman, falls into the category of an unreasonable request.

You could apply this situation to a whole host of situations and, to be honest, it's the start of a slippery slope if you've got people being allowed to refuse orders from their employer.

:agree: They're being asked to deliver a world cup magazine FFS. Get on with it.

[Future17]

Are you deliberately misunderstanding to spark debate on this topic?

What has he/she misunderstood?

[skipster7]

While I have no desire to buy the Sun, and view it with contempt, the action by the Unions is to me unacceptable.

They don't have the right to deny what a business wants - legally - to do. If some individuals with the Union had strong feelings about, say, UKIP or the BNP should they have the right to refuse to deliver any party political info?

I can understand the emotions and the sensitivity, but living in a democracy carries some downsides as well as positives.

Postmen in Edinburgh were given the option of not delivering the BNP leaflets in the recent Euro elections if it went against their beliefs/principles. These election leaflets attract an additional payment and any areas refusing were simply delivered by staff who didn't have an issue so no censorship. Wouldnt fancy sticking these through some areas down south tbf.

[Hibrandenburg]

Postmen in Edinburgh were given the option of not delivering the BNP leaflets in the recent Euro elections if it went against their beliefs/principles. These election leaflets attract an additional payment and any areas refusing were simply delivered by staff who didn't have an issue so no censorship. Wouldnt fancy sticking these through some areas down south tbf.

Good to know. That means if a posty delivers BNP leaflets to my door then he doesn't object to them?

"James, release the hounds!"

[yeezus.]

Good to know. That means if a posty delivers BNP leaflets to my door then he doesn't object to them?

"James, release the hounds!"

Very good to know... not that the BNP exist in any form in Stranraer but a postie of mine's son has his political views set as BNP on Facebook... and his religious views as "FTP".

Saxon and Faisal will be at the ready come 2015

[Phil D. Rolls]

Who was the guy that said the only thing that upset Scousers about Lockerbie is that the plane didn't crash on Liverpool? I'm just wondering if he is still working at whatever he did.

[lucky]

I'm backing the posties 100%. The sun are part of horrible organisation who distort the truth for profit.

[heretoday]

I wish they'd stop delivering stuff from Virgin Media! Every day sees an envelope from them.

Seriously though, I don't think it's up to the postal workers to dictate what gets to go in the mail.

[Scouse Hibee]

So by the same account no one in Liverpool will call the police after a burglary, or an assault, due to them (the police) being the biggest lier's of the lot in this whole sad affair which is still a stain on the UK Establishment.


It's tokenism by the postal worker union involved and nothing more. To refuse to deliver any mail, and impact thousands of businesses and ordinary citizens, all because they've been asked to deliver a Sun newspaper?

It's anyones right not to buy the Sun rag but FFS, what's next..turn off the TV because The Sun advertise or refuse to go on a bus if it has The Sun on the side of it?

The only people trivialising this are the Postal Workers union themselves.

Well we certainly wont call that particular Police force!