9/11 conspiracy theory #5866663000

[lyonhibs]

In general, I find most of the wacky types who sit in basements and claim that 9/11 was all a Bush masterplan to invade Afghanistan/Iraq (or whatever other spurious claims they make) to be risible as for - from what I've seen and heard - all the evidence for the 2 main towers points to it being what it clearly was, some evil nutters ploughing massive jets into them.

This is - at least - interesting though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHQPaAkIl0I#t=159

I'm no expert, so can anyone confirm if the building (still standing) in the background is indeed the one that the BBC reported as having fallen down?

A bit odd if so, it has to be said.......................

[Sylar]

In general, I find most of the wacky types who sit in basements and claim that 9/11 was all a Bush masterplan to invade Afghanistan/Iraq (or whatever other spurious claims they make) to be risible as for - from what I've seen and heard - all the evidence for the 2 main towers points to it being what it clearly was, some evil nutters ploughing massive jets into them.

This is - at least - interesting though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHQPaAkIl0I#t=159

I'm no expert, so can anyone confirm if the building (still standing) in the background is indeed the one that the BBC reported as having fallen down?

A bit odd if so, it has to be said.......................

The NYFD knew that the building collapse was imminent (the main supporting column/trusses had been destroyed and owing to the way WTC7 was designed, the loss of 1 crucial support would cause it to collapse in its own footprint).

There's documented video of the collapse of WTC7 being discussed well before it happened as they knew it was imminent - likely, the BBC were given this information and jumped the gun in relaying it - the reporter does preface the piece by highlighting that the story is 'sketchy, very sketchy...'.

Whilst not comparable in any way, shape or form, remember Derek Riordan had signed for Rangers?

Reporters/news agencies jump the gun all the time - this was no different.

[.Sean.]

I'm like lots of folk, I have a morbid fascination with all things 9/11. Fair to say we don't know the full story and I don't think we ever will. I'm pretty open minded about it all.

What went on at The Pentagon is the real mystery.

[yeezus.]

I can't help but feel most 9/11 conspiracy theories take the guilt away from the monsters who committed that atrocity.

[Scouse Hibee]

I can't help but feel most 9/11 conspiracy theories take the guilt away from the monsters who committed that atrocity.

:agree:

[Pete]

I'm like lots of folk, I have a morbid fascination with all things 9/11. Fair to say we don't know the full story and I don't think we ever will. I'm pretty open minded about it all.

What went on at The Pentagon is the real mystery.

I think we pretty much know all we need to know about it. It was a bunch of Islamists who wanted to kill as many people as possible.

No doubt there will be a another crackpot theory soon. They're that far fetched it wouldn't surprise me if Petrie and Butcher now had a hand in it.

[(((Fergus)))]

I can't help but feel most 9/11 conspiracy theories take the guilt away from the monsters who committed that atrocity.

Seems there are two main and partially overlapping groups that need an "explanation" for 9/11:

1) people who reflexively blame the US/West for everything that is wrong in the world
2) people who (for various reasons) need to deny the threat of supremacist islam

[yeezus.]

Seems there are two main and partially overlapping groups that need an "explanation" for 9/11:

1) people who reflexively blame the US/West for everything that is wrong in the world
2) people who (for various reasons) need to deny the threat of supremacist islam

:aok: I really don't like hearing them. I've knew people who blamed Israel for 9/11 and the Israeli Defence Forces for Sandy Hook. It's got to the point that I just ignore most conspiracy theories.

[Alex Trager]

Just seen this. Don't know if it's been mentioned. It's a bit mental
http://tristandoden.mobilelikez.com/world-news/ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers/?uid=tristandoden

[Gus]

Just seen this. Don't know if it's been mentioned. It's a bit mental
http://tristandoden.mobilelikez.com/world-news/ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers/?uid=tristandoden

Just seen that, the guy is saying that the amateur footage is cgi. Wouldn't shock me as I'm sure there were people wanting to make money by selling their story

[Beefster]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

[Twa Cairpets]

I think we pretty much know all we need to know about it. It was a bunch of Islamists who wanted to kill as many people as possible.

I agree - it was what it was.

If you're interested, there is quite an engaging series done by a guy called Myles Power in a low key, sympathetic way which looks at all the main conspiracy theories and debunks them without hyperbole.

The first of the series is here - well worth the time, I think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmIjDfpTeMc

[yeezus.]

I think we pretty much know all we need to know about it. It was a bunch of Islamists who wanted to kill as many people as possible.

No doubt there will be a another crackpot theory soon. They're that far fetched it wouldn't surprise me if Petrie and Butcher now had a hand in it.

This is it exactly - simple as.

[21.05.2016]

Americans have a conspiracy theory for just about everything! However, there certainly is a lot of mysterious situations and events surrounding 9/11.

[HibbyDave]

Look at a book called the most dangerous book in the world by s k Bain. Available on Amazon etc

[Rasta_Hibs]

I have looked at it from most angels. from what I gather the event was allowed to take place. The intelligence was there before hand but was ignored. The official account has so many holes in it.

Sure islam extremists were behind the attack but in my opinion it was seized apon and allowed to happen. What follows after is well documented.

Even if this was all just a terrorist attack perpetrated by only terrorists then there are some CRAZY CRAZY coincidences relating 9/11 such as the 1st hand witnesses who gave statements that did not match the official story, these people are now dead (Many cases of this). The Bin Laden family being shipped out of US prior to the attacks, training drills for all military aircraft that could have responded, the new building insurance detailing the exact kind of attack that occurred. Also the fact that a Boeing could not perform the actions of the planes that 'hit' the towers. There is no much more to this.

Such as the wall street companies whos stock/value rose just before the attacks with companies connected to twin towers and defence.

There Is a history of false flag attacks.

[southfieldhibby]

I have looked at it from most angels. from what I gather the event was allowed to take place. The intelligence was there before hand but was ignored. The official account has so many holes in it.

Sure islam extremists were behind the attack but in my opinion it was seized apon and allowed to happen. What follows after is well documented.

Even if this was all just a terrorist attack perpetrated by only terrorists then there are some CRAZY CRAZY coincidences relating 9/11 such as the 1st hand witnesses who gave statements that did not match the official story, these people are now dead (Many cases of this). The Bin Laden family being shipped out of US prior to the attacks, training drills for all military aircraft that could have responded, the new building insurance detailing the exact kind of attack that occurred. Also the fact that a Boeing could not perform the actions of the planes that 'hit' the towers. There is no much more to this.

Such as the wall street companies whos stock/value rose just before the attacks with companies connected to twin towers and defence.

There Is a history of false flag attacks.

Could you expand on this please?Do you mean that Boeings never actually hit the towers?

[Rasta_Hibs]

Could you expand on this please?Do you mean that Boeings never actually hit the towers?

A Boeing 767 cannot do 500 mph at 700ft.

Another type of aircraft was use I think. Also a lot o the released videos of the planes hitting the towers do no match what is recorded on their flight path data, meaning that a lot the videos showing the planes were faked.

[Hibrandenburg]

A Boeing 767 cannot do 500 mph at 700ft.

Another type of aircraft was use I think. Also a lot o the released videos of the planes hitting the towers do no match what is recorded on their flight path data, meaning that a lot the videos showing the planes were faked.

A Boeing can do a lot more than 500mph at 700ft, where did you get that piece of information?

[stoneyburn hibs]

A Boeing can do a lot more than 500mph at 700ft, where did you get that piece of information?

I think there was a programme on about it in the last few months, an avaiton expert stated that it wouldn't have been possible for a Boeing to do such a manoeuvre.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think there was a programme on about it in the last few months, an avaiton expert stated that it wouldn't have been possible for a Boeing to do such a manoeuvre.

Rubbish mate, if it was in ascent then it wouldn't be capable of those speeds but in the right trajectory in descent it could break the sound barrier.

[easty]

I have looked at it from most angels. from what I gather the event was allowed to take place. The intelligence was there before hand but was ignored. The official account has so many holes in it.

Sure islam extremists were behind the attack but in my opinion it was seized apon and allowed to happen. What follows after is well documented.

Even if this was all just a terrorist attack perpetrated by only terrorists then there are some CRAZY CRAZY coincidences relating 9/11 such as the 1st hand witnesses who gave statements that did not match the official story, these people are now dead (Many cases of this). The Bin Laden family being shipped out of US prior to the attacks, training drills for all military aircraft that could have responded, the new building insurance detailing the exact kind of attack that occurred. Also the fact that a Boeing could not perform the actions of the planes that 'hit' the towers. There is no much more to this.

Such as the wall street companies whos stock/value rose just before the attacks with companies connected to twin towers and defence.

There Is a history of false flag attacks.

Have you looked at it from all angles, or just those that point to it being a conspiracy theory? If people want to find a conspiracy in this then that's all they'll see.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Rubbish mate, if it was in ascent then it wouldn't be capable of those speeds but in the right trajectory in descent it could break the sound barrier.

I wasn't stating it as a matter of fact as I don't know anything about aviation. Whilst keeping an open mind I would agree with you that it is most likely cack.

[southfieldhibby]

A Boeing 767 cannot do 500 mph at 700ft.

Another type of aircraft was use I think. Also a lot o the released videos of the planes hitting the towers do no match what is recorded on their flight path data, meaning that a lot the videos showing the planes were faked.


em, ok.

[HKhibby]

Americans have a conspiracy theory for just about everything! However, there certainly is a lot of mysterious situations and events surrounding 9/11.

This is the most accurate statement yet!...yes indeed Americans have a conspiracy theary for most things, usually as they are so in secure!
its strange tho they never had a conspiracy theary for Lockerbie!...a bit closer home for you, now this is one that there is definatly more to the story...but you will never know who really did what with this case!

[.Sean.]

I'd love to know what people think happened to the staff and passengers on the planes if they weren't actually used in the attacks?

[Hibercelona]

I can't help but feel most 9/11 conspiracy theories take the guilt away from the monsters who committed that atrocity.

No it doesn't. Because who ever really did commit the acts of 9/11 are still monsters anyway, regardless of who you believe to have been involved.

One thing we can all agree on is that who ever the people were who were responsible for what occured that day are of the upmost evil.

[hibbymick]

I'd love to know what people think happened to the staff and passengers on the planes if they weren't actually used in the attacks?

:tee hee:

[Tyler Durden]

No it doesn't. Because who ever really did commit the acts of 9/11 are still monsters anyway, regardless of who you believe to have been involved.

One thing we can all agree on is that who ever the people were who were responsible for what occured that day are of the upmost evil.


No it doesn't. Because who ever really did commit the acts of 9/11 are still monsters anyway, regardless of who you believe to have been involved.

One thing we can all agree on is that who ever the people were who were responsible for what occured that day are of the upmost evil.

I'm not sure we would all agree on that. Personally I think it's more valuable to understand people's motives. There is a fantastic book called The Looming Tower which I'd recommend. It details the history of Al Qaeda and the upbringing of Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri.

For the conspiracy theorists it also explains the failures of the CIA and FBI in the weeks/months prior to the attack.

Fascinating stuff and whilst I certainly don't agree with their agenda, it's quite naive to label people as evil IMO

[seanshow]

re the 9/11 thing

I had a strange experience 10 years ago, one of my mates is a conspiracy veteran, into abovetopsecret website and all that, where as I have no interest in it at all and hold a more logical view.

but in 2004 when the first version of the documentary 911: In Plane Site was released (some of it was interesting, some was fantasy, imo), he sent me link to the docu and I watched in the evening think it was on early youtube or dailymotion or similar.

An hour after I had watched it my pc ports got pinged for the one and only time as far as I am aware, this was at the time when Norton Internet security was thought of as the dogs bollox, so loads bought into it including me. anyway NIS has the facility to trace the port scan back to it's source, and low and behold it pinpoint traced it back to a US intelligence building in Utah, I even have a screengrab of it somewhere lol.

obviously it has since come out via wikileaks, snowden and all those duded that the US,GB et al have been collecting more or less every key stroke the world makes for years, so no surprise really.

.......For what it's worth the lack of debris at the pentagon attack and the virtually non existence of any sign from the 4th plane that crashed in the field is extremely dubious, and therefore brings the whole attacks into question.

I point blank refuse to believe in Ufo's though. :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

re the 9/11 thing I had a strange experience 10 years ago, one of my mates is a conspiracy veteran, into abovetopsecret website and all that, where as I have no interest in it at all and hold a more logical view. but in 2004 when the first version of the documentary 911: In Plane Site was released (some of it was interesting, some was fantasy, imo), he sent me link to the docu and I watched in the evening think it was on early youtube or dailymotion or similar. An hour after I had watched it my pc ports got pinged for the one and only time as far as I am aware, this was at the time when Norton Internet security was thought of as the dogs bollox, so loads bought into it including me. anyway NIS has the facility to trace the port scan back to it's source, and low and behold it pinpoint traced it back to a US intelligence building in Utah, I even have a screengrab of it somewhere lol. obviously it has since come out via wikileaks, snowden and all those duded that the US,GB et al have been collecting more or less every key stroke the world makes for years, so no surprise really. .......For what it's worth the lack of debris at the pentagon attack and the virtually non existence of any sign from the 4th plane that crashed in the field is extremely dubious, and therefore brings the whole attacks into question. I point blank refuse to believe in Ufo's though. :greengrin

I honestly think UFO's are more likely than the Americans deliberately flying planes into the WTC

[snooky]

I honestly think UFO's are more likely than the Americans deliberately flying planes into the WTC

When you are talking about world power and big bucks ANYTHING is possible, IMO.

[Jonnyboy]

I'm not sure we would all agree on that. Personally I think it's more valuable to understand people's motives. There is a fantastic book called The Looming Tower which I'd recommend. It details the history of Al Qaeda and the upbringing of Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri.

For the conspiracy theorists it also explains the failures of the CIA and FBI in the weeks/months prior to the attack.

Fascinating stuff and whilst I certainly don't agree with their agenda, it's quite naive to label people as evil IMO

Thanks for the heads up TD, I've just bought it on eBay :thumbsup:

[--------]

A Boeing 767 cannot do 500 mph at 700ft.

Another type of aircraft was use I think. Also a lot o the released videos of the planes hitting the towers do no match what is recorded on their flight path data, meaning that a lot the videos showing the planes were faked.

Yes it can. It can't do so for very long, and if the pilot tries it, the plane will probably shake itself apart after a short while, but a power dive from higher altitude on a specific target like the WTC or the Pentagon could easily bring the aircraft up to 500 knots before impact. It's not as if the guys at the controls on 9/11 were worried about the safety of the aircraft or passengers, or the continuing integrity of the airframes after 9/11.

As for the DFDR data - you are aware that even if the reports about that data were true, fires burning at the temperatures attained by the fires in the Twin Towers that day will seriously distort the data recorded on these machines? But claims about the videos not matching the DFDRs do not hold up.

As for the fall of Tower 7 and the BBC apparently reporting it before it happened, all hell was going on in and around the scene of the carnage that day. There was total confusion on teh streets and in the TV studios and control vans. This "suspicious circumstance" has already been explained - there was a mix-up between the control room putting up pictures and the report making the report. Either the reporter was right and the tower had been brought down when she made her report, but the director had put up the wrong pictures behind her, or the pictures were accurate, but someone had overheard people talking about the need to bring the tower down and assumed it had already been brought down and issued a false report.

(Just so's you know - this conspiracy theory has led to a multitude of bamstick militiamen in combat gear living in paramilitary compounds out in the boondocks issuing death threats against the demolition company and their families.)

Conspiracy theories are just that - theories.

I strongly recommend "Debunking 9/11 Myths - Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up To The Facts", edited by David Dunbar and Brad Reagan - an "In-Depth Investigation By Popular Mechanics".

"Counterknowledge: How We Surrendered to Conspiracy Theories, Quack Medicine, Bogus Science, and Fake History" by Damien Thompson is interesting as well.

They're easily available from Amazon. Or elsewhere on the Internet if you don't want to do business with them.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_9/280-8203660-6234603?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=debunking%209%2011%20myths%20why%20conspi racy%20theories%20can%27t%20stand%20up%20to%20the% 20facts&sprefix=Debunking%2Cstripbooks%2C218

[Tyler Durden]

Thanks for the heads up TD, I've just bought it on eBay :thumbsup:

No problem, will be interested to hear what you make of it.

[AgentDaleCooper]

:aok: I really don't like hearing them. I've knew people who blamed Israel for 9/11 and the Israeli Defence Forces for Sandy Hook. It's got to the point that I just ignore most conspiracy theories.

your presence on this thread suggests you lack real commitment on this front.

[Jonnyboy]

No problem, will be interested to hear what you make of it.

Bloody thing is taking an age to arrive. I'll let you know my thoughts, in time :greengrin

[Torto7062]

Bloody thing is taking an age to arrive. I'll let you know my thoughts, in time :greengrin
I've just downloaded it as a pdf file

[Jonnyboy]

I've just downloaded it as a pdf file

It's finally arrived. Now to get down to reading it :aok:

[Beefster]

It's finally arrived. Now to get down to reading it :aok:

Great book, JB. I'd say enjoy but I'm not sure that it's entirely appropriate, given the subject matter.

[HH81]

I ordered it too. Hope its a decent read.

[MrRobot]

I'm like lots of folk, I have a morbid fascination with all things 9/11. Fair to say we don't know the full story and I don't think we ever will. I'm pretty open minded about it all.

What went on at The Pentagon is the real mystery.

Exactly this. Like you, I have a massive interest in it all, but The Pentagon especially was pretty dodgy.

[Beefster]

Exactly this. Like you, I have a massive interest in it all, but The Pentagon especially was pretty dodgy.

In what way? I've read stuff in which it's been pretty well explained.

[Stranraer]

I'd love to have seen Hitchens deal with a few more stoners (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNAaDKZ-SuE) I mean conspiracy theorists :wink:

[NAE NOOKIE]

In what way? I've read stuff in which it's been pretty well explained.

I lap up all this 9/11 stuff and some of it is interesting to say the least ..... The Pentagon and flight 93 are particularly interesting.

According to one version, at the trajectory the plane hit the Pentagon it would have to have demolished a long row of street lights which were all left standing ..... and what happened to the planes tail?

Flight 93 is even stranger ........ I for one cant recall a plane crash where there was no debris at all. Lockerbie and Ukraine for example spread wreckage over a wide area, though explosions would make a difference there I suppose ..... but nothing at all?

There is also an apparent phone call from a passenger on one of the flights ( I think 93 ) where the guy says "mum, mum, its me Dave Smith" ..... cant remember his real name .... but who phones their mum and identifies themselves using their full name?

I'm no expert on avionics or what folk do under stress ..... but interesting all the same.

[YetholmHibee]

You telling me guys based in caves, Afghanistan organised 9-11?

Look into Dr Judy Woods research - books and presentations. (Where did the Towers go)

Allegedly 2 planes flew into 2 buildings - how did the 3rd building collapse (?)

Famous saying - 'it is easy to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled'.

A false flag on the level of Pearl Harbour.

Still waiting for the WMD in Iraq (?)

[HibsMax]

I'm like lots of folk, I have a morbid fascination with all things 9/11. Fair to say we don't know the full story and I don't think we ever will. I'm pretty open minded about it all.

What went on at The Pentagon is the real mystery.

Maybe I have missed something but your last comment strikes a chord with me also. The only video I have seen shows practically nothing at all. We're talking about the Pentagon. There must be hundreds of cameras around that building yet none caught a plane crashing into the wall? I'm not saying that's total bunk but it strikes me as weird. Just because I think something is weird doesn't make it a lie, it just doesn't sit well with me. I will admit that it's been some time since I searched for Pentagon 9/11 videos so perhaps something else has come out that I haven't seen.

I don't doubt the majority of what went down that day but there is definitely something fishy going on. Fishy doesn't mean government involvement or conspiracy but I think there are facts that were known to some that are not public.

[HibsMax]

I'd love to have seen Hitchens deal with a few more stoners (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNAaDKZ-SuE) I mean conspiracy theorists :wink:

I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself but that doesn't mean that I believe in every crackpot idea that gets floated. I just think it's good common sense to question things that look odd rather than believe everything that is spoon-fed to you.

It's like everything else in life; the extremists tend to be the dangerous ones. I think it's equally as dangerous to believe everything the government tells you as it is to believe that everything is a lie (think New World Order).

Leave the stoners out of it. ;)

[HibsMax]

You telling me guys based in caves, Afghanistan organised 9-11?
Sure, why not? What they did was clever, new and took planning but it's not like they manufactured a nuclear device and flew it half way round the world. The skills were basic (and taught while they lived in the US).


Still waiting for the WMD in Iraq (?)
Nope, they never existed. Even if they did, they weren't a threat to the US or the UK.

[Beefster]

You telling me guys based in caves, Afghanistan organised 9-11?

Look into Dr Judy Woods research - books and presentations. (Where did the Towers go)

Allegedly 2 planes flew into 2 buildings - how did the 3rd building collapse (?)

Famous saying - 'it is easy to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled'.

A false flag on the level of Pearl Harbour.

Still waiting for the WMD in Iraq (?)

My favourite trait of 'truthers', apart from the irony of the name, is their total, but utterly mistaken, belief that they're the only ones who can see things clearly.

[YetholmHibee]

Osama bin Laden was really a CIA operative - called "Tim Osman" (?) (?)

An inside job, manufactured by central bankers to take over the 'opium drug' trade - the banks needed the 'easy' cash and control of opium.

Our soldiers are over there protecting the opium fields - large harvests every year, since Taliban ousted.

The war on terror is fake - a disguise to further their agenda (?)






http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/binladen_cia.html

http://humansarefree.com/2011/05/proof-that-osama-bin-laden-was-cia-and.html

http://www.sott.net/article/263424-Was-Osama-Bin-Laden-a-CIA-asset-named-Tim-Osman

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1245.htm

[YetholmHibee]

Alleged Hijackers (7 of whom are still alive) (?) (?)

If true, how can 7 hijackers still be alive - I thought they all went down with the planes (?)

Hmmmm . . . . . (?)

[Hibrandenburg]

You telling me guys based in caves, Afghanistan organised 9-11?

Look into Dr Judy Woods research - books and presentations. (Where did the Towers go)

Allegedly 2 planes flew into 2 buildings - how did the 3rd building collapse (?)

Famous saying - 'it is easy to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled'.

A false flag on the level of Pearl Harbour.

Still waiting for the WMD in Iraq (?)

Think you'll find they moved into the caves after 9/11

[YetholmHibee]

With regards to Seismic reporting on 9-11 . . . .

http://911review.com/errors/wtc/seismic.html


"At 10:29 the entire top section of the North Tower had been severed from the base and began falling down,"
Hufschmid writes. "If the first event was the falling of a floor, how did that progress to the severing of hundreds of columns?"

Loizeaux said, "If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure."

The Palisades seismic record shows that -- as the collapses began -- a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground.

Experts cannot explain why the seismic waves peaked before the towers hit the ground.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/seismic-evidence-implies-controlled-demolition-on-911/5313720

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_10.htm

http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/RousseauVol34November2012.pdf


You decide . . . . the truth will always get out, eventually.

[YetholmHibee]

'Dustification' - new word after 9-11

Watch these videos - how does metal turn into dust (?)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoAa_B2kRuo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuTp7HkpW7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZMjVXtNUec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufWggCESyDg


Who does huge chunks of concrete turn into dust (?) . . . . before it hits the ground (?)
Same for metal (?)

Did planes do this (?) . . . . don't think so . . .

Follow Dr Judy Woods work on 9-11.

Forget about Richard Gage - paid by the establishment to send folk the wrong way and confuse them (imho)

You decide . . . . the truth will eventually get out.

[The Green Goblin]

When the code breakers solved the German enigma machine at Bletchley, Churchill was presented with a dilemma. Through previously indecipherable messages, he learned that there was a planned blitz on Coventry, but to take action on that information would alert the Germans to the fact that they had broken it and would jeapordise access to all enemy information. They therefore allowed Coventry to be blitzed, at the cost of thousands of lives, but subsequent information helped the larger war effort enormously in the following months and years.

[NAE NOOKIE]

When the code breakers solved the German enigma machine at Bletchley, Churchill was presented with a dilemma. Through previously indecipherable messages, he learned that there was a planned blitz on Coventry, but to take action on that information would alert the Germans to the fact that they had broken it and would jeapordise access to all enemy information. They therefore allowed Coventry to be blitzed, at the cost of thousands of lives, but subsequent information helped the larger war effort enormously in the following months and years.

The allies knew about the death camps well before the end of WW2 but didn't act on the info because the Nazis were diverting valuable men and equipment away from their war effort to carry out the 'final solution'.

The British bombed and sunk a French fleet at the beginning of WW2 to stop it falling into Nazi hands ..... knowingly killing hundreds of French sailors in the process.

Terrible decisions which in the opinions of the people involved at the time had to be made for the greater good.

[Stranraer]

I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself but that doesn't mean that I believe in every crackpot idea that gets floated. I just think it's good common sense to question things that look odd rather than believe everything that is spoon-fed to you.

It's like everything else in life; the extremists tend to be the dangerous ones. I think it's equally as dangerous to believe everything the government tells you as it is to believe that everything is a lie (think New World Order).

Leave the stoners out of it. ;)

There's a lot of crackpots making a lot of money from conspiracy theories, presumably to spend on weed. :wink:

[Hibrandenburg]

There's a lot of crackpots making a lot of money from conspiracy theories, presumably to spend on weed. :wink:

Ha ha! I stumbled across one of those sites via a link on here and thought exactly the same.

[YetholmHibee]

Watch these clips . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2TaA4Gl3w

Still believe planes brought the towers down (?)

Still believe Al-Qaeda had the power to carry the attack out on America soil (?)


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

[Beefster]

Watch these clips . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2TaA4Gl3w

Still believe planes brought the towers down (?)

Still believe Al-Qaeda had the power to carry the attack out on America soil (?)


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

It never ceases to amaze me that folk are willing to believe some guy in his bedroom who can upload a video to YouTube but refuse to take actual facts seriously. Presumably you believe that aliens have visited Antarctic research stations and that there is a planet Nibiru in our solar system too?

The best thing you can do IMHO is read 'Voodoo Histories' by David Aaronovitch and then 'The Looming Tower' by Lawrence Wright.

[hibsbollah]

The British bombed and sunk a French fleet at the beginning of WW2 to stop it falling into Nazi hands ..... knowingly killing hundreds of French sailors in the process.

.

The bombing of the French fleet during Operation Catapult was a decision Churchill agonised over and talked about openly and repeatedly afterwards. Its not a 'conspiracy' in any sense, just a horrible decision that war leaders need to make. There is virtually no doubt that if Hiter had got his hands on the powerful French fleet in 1940 that Britain would have been decimated in the Atlantic and the North Sea and the Nazis would have won well before the Americans entered the war. Read Roy Jenkins biography for more.

[Sergio sledge]

Watch these clips . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2TaA4Gl3w

Still believe planes brought the towers down (?)

Still believe Al-Qaeda had the power to carry the attack out on America soil (?)


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Holographic plane? You seriously believe that? Do you understand what momentum is? Do you understand what perspective is?

The video is rubbish, the building that the wing disappears behind is clearly in the foreground of the video and because of the angle of the filming and the heights of the buildings involved it looks like the wing is going behind the building when it is just flying above the building. There's people with more knowledge of NY than myself who've identified the buildings in the video and disproved it.

[Hibs Class]

Watch these clips . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2TaA4Gl3w

Still believe planes brought the towers down (?)

Still believe Al-Qaeda had the power to carry the attack out on America soil (?)


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer


"All lies pass through three stages. First, no-one believes them. Second, idiots start to believe them. Third, conspiracy theorists latch onto them and legitimise them by prefacing them with '100% fact'". - Hibs Class :greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

The bombing of the French fleet during Operation Catapult was a decision Churchill agonised over and talked about openly and repeatedly afterwards. Its not a 'conspiracy' in any sense, just a horrible decision that war leaders need to make. There is virtually no doubt that if Hiter had got his hands on the powerful French fleet in 1940 that Britain would have been decimated in the Atlantic and the North Sea and the Nazis would have won well before the Americans entered the war. Read Roy Jenkins biography for more.

I'm aware of that Hibsbollah. My point was that people will make decisions which at face value are unthinkable if they feel that the greater good, as they see it, will be served. In Churchill's case his decision made strategic sense as far as I can see.

I don't think for a second that the US had any part in the 9/11 atrocity. But that doesn't change the fact that history has shown people are capable of insane acts in pursuit of their goals. I don't include Churchill in that list BTW.

Having people out there unwilling to accept events at their face value is healthy and IMO cant be a bad thing. Even if 99% of the time their concerns can be easily disproved.

[HH81]

Watched the clip. Are you saying no plane flew into the towers?

[Hibrandenburg]

What if conspiracy theories are started by the big corporations???

Are you paranoid when they're really out to get you???

[Haymaker]

What if conspiracy theories are started by the big corporations???

Are you paranoid when they're really out to get you???

I haven't heard a decent conspiracy theory in a long time.


I reckon the Government is covering them up!

[Rasta_Hibs]

Hmmm I think the Royal Family being satanic peado ring sacrificing kids is a truthfull one.

[Kato]

I believe in UFO's, it's pretty silly not to.

[Rasta_Hibs]

It is also very obvious that ISIS is being controlled in some degree by Mossad & the CIA.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

It is also very obvious that ISIS is being controlled in some degree by Mossad & the CIA.

This should be fun. The worrying thing is I'm not sure if you are being serious or not.

[Rasta_Hibs]

This should be fun. The worrying thing is I'm not sure if you are being serious or not.


I'm out getting a chicken tika kebab the now but I'll show you what I think about it. To me it's clear as day. Granted I think the have lost contol of it now. But they were used to topple Assad and pull Iran into a war. But it's not went to plan. When the people said no to the false flag chemical attack that was blamed on Assad but they couldn't pin it on him cos he didn't order it. I'll come back once I get my argument put together.

[johnbc70]

This should be fun. The worrying thing is I'm not sure if you are being serious or not.

Some people believe ISIS was spawned by the US to make the world hate Islam and all it stands for. Then the US can continue their policy of control and conquer of the middle east and Islamic countries and I assume the resources that come with it.

You cannot argue that most in the 'western' world now fear Islam and seem quite happy for the governments of the west to go to war and fight them. I guess its part of a long term game.

That's what some believe anyway from what I have read.

[Rasta_Hibs]

Some people believe ISIS was spawned by the US to make the world hate Islam and all it stands for. Then the US can continue their policy of control and conquer of the middle east and Islamic countries and I assume the resources that come with it.

You cannot argue that most in the 'western' world now fear Islam and seem quite happy for the governments of the west to go to war and fight them. I guess its part of a long term game.

That's what some believe anyway from what I have read.

Its also about turning people against each other - the old divide and rule scenario! Oldest trick in the book.

[Pete]

Some people believe ISIS was spawned by the US to make the world hate Islam and all it stands for. Then the US can continue their policy of control and conquer of the middle east and Islamic countries and I assume the resources that come with it.

You cannot argue that most in the 'western' world now fear Islam and seem quite happy for the governments of the west to go to war and fight them. I guess its part of a long term game.

That's what some believe anyway from what I have read.

I hope I don't offend anyone when I say that people who believe that to be the case are crackpots who are wired to the moon.

[snooky]

I hope I don't offend anyone when I say that people who believe that to be the case are crackpots who are wired to the moon.

I'm with the Clangers on this one :wink:

[Kato]

I hope I don't offend anyone when I say that people who believe that to be the case are crackpots who are wired to the moon.


It does seem as such. However there is a lesson from history which shows that when the conflict in Ireland was at it's peak in the 80's a third of IRA "operatives" were British agents. That sort of cynicism brings things closer to earth.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm out getting a chicken tika kebab the now but I'll show you what I think about it. To me it's clear as day. Granted I think the have lost contol of it now. But they were used to topple Assad and pull Iran into a war. But it's not went to plan. When the people said no to the false flag chemical attack that was blamed on Assad but they couldn't pin it on him cos he didn't order it. I'll come back once I get my argument put together.

Dinnae put an argument together just for me, I'll just assume you were being serious.

[Rasta_Hibs]

Dinnae put an argument together just for me, I'll just assume you were being serious.

OK fair enough im just wanting to put the evidence out there that supports my theory.

[lapsedhibee]

I think we pretty much know all we need to know about it. It was a bunch of Islamists who wanted to kill as many people as possible.

No doubt there will be a another crackpot theory soon. They're that far fetched it wouldn't surprise me if Petrie and Butcher now had a hand in it.

You were possibly being facetious here, but it's a funny thing that since Leeann and Stubbsy took over there hasn't been a single instance of a plane being deliberately flown into a tall building anywhere in the world. :hmmm:

[Stranraer]

To anyone who thinks what happened on 9/11 was not a conspiracy I have a new theory to add to the collection that I heard in town today.

"9/11 was an illusion"

I think it's fair to say this guy has probably had his fair share of illegal substances in his time.

[Sylar]

To anyone who thinks what happened on 9/11 was not a conspiracy I have a new theory to add to the collection that I heard in town today.

"9/11 was an illusion"

I think it's fair to say this guy has probably had his fair share of illegal substances in his time.

The "best" one I ever heard was regarding those who tragically jumped from the Towers that day - did you know there were no real jumpers and that no one died leaping to their deaths?

Instead, the entire thing was staged as a psychological experiment by an amateur dramatic company who trampolined mannequins out of the window for effect...

Can't find a link to the article anywhere but it was up there with the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever read!

[Sylar]

Formatting didn't work but here's a link to the article that discusses the use of mannequins as part of a supposed 'art installation.

http://www.therealnewsonline.com/our-blogs/the-real-truth-behind-the-greatest-illusion-of-all-time-911

The mind boggles.

[Paloschi]

Loose Change is a great documentary on 9/11 and is one I would recommend for all who either believe it was a conspiracy, have an open mind and are certain what we are told happened happened. One things for sure not all questions have been answered - just what are they hiding?

I for one really believe it was a Government conspiracy. I go by the theory 'those who benefit were responsible for it.' Have the Islamist groups benefited? No. Has Islam in general benefited? No.

I tell you who has benefited. Larry Silverstein who took out an insurance policy on the building 6 months before it came down (Look it up). He stood to make a fortune from it. On a more indirect level the Government now have more control over the population through fear. We are meant to fear terrorists when in actual fact, in the western world more people are killed by furniture.

I suggest if anyone has an interest in this they read up on it as it is very fascinating. Another documentary I recommend is Ethos by Woody Harrelson. I have a link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpMzoBR2Szo

Even if you don't believe the theories then it may open your mind. :agree:

[Beefster]

Loose Change is a great documentary on 9/11 and is one I would recommend

Most of the 'questions' or allegations in Loose Change have been debunked so many times, I'd suggest that anyone who still pays it much heed is the one who isn't open-minded. Even its director has effectively disowned it.

[easty]

Loose Change is a great documentary on 9/11 and is one I would recommend for all who either believe it was a conspiracy, have an open mind and are certain what we are told happened happened. One things for sure not all questions have been answered - just what are they hiding?

I for one really believe it was a Government conspiracy. I go by the theory 'those who benefit were responsible for it.' Have the Islamist groups benefited? No. Has Islam in general benefited? No.

I tell you who has benefited. Larry Silverstein who took out an insurance policy on the building 6 months before it came down (Look it up). He stood to make a fortune from it. On a more indirect level the Government now have more control over the population through fear. We are meant to fear terrorists when in actual fact, in the western world more people are killed by furniture.

I suggest if anyone has an interest in this they read up on it as it is very fascinating. Another documentary I recommend is Ethos by Woody Harrelson. I have a link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpMzoBR2Szo

Even if you don't believe the theories then it may open your mind. :agree:

I wouldn't bother watching any 9/11 conspiracy documentaries, cos they're all a load of absolute rubbish.

I don't see any reason why you, or anyone, would think there shouldn't have been an insurance policy on the building. It had been attacked by terrorists previously, so surely not having insurance would be a stranger thing than taking out a policy that covered terrorist attacks.

[Stranraer]

The "best" one I ever heard was regarding those who tragically jumped from the Towers that day - did you know there were no real jumpers and that no one died leaping to their deaths?

Instead, the entire thing was staged as a psychological experiment by an amateur dramatic company who trampolined mannequins out of the window for effect...

Can't find a link to the article anywhere but it was up there with the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever read!

Bloody hell it gets worse. Nutters.

I find the whole conspiracy theory fad extremely annoying and insulting. This same guy said Sandy Hook was a massacre carried out by the Israeli Defence Forces.

[Mon Dieu4]

I still feel whatever evidence may or not be around for this that too many people would have had to be involved and it would have leaked by now

I did however watch Keith Allens banned documentary about Princes Di the other day and having gone from thinking it was a tad dodgy I'm now at really dodgy, good watch if anyone wants to see it

[Danderhall Hibs]

I still feel whatever evidence may or not be around for this that too many people would have had to be involved and it would have leaked by now

I did however watch Keith Allens banned documentary about Princes Di the other day and having gone from thinking it was a tad dodgy I'm now at really dodgy, good watch if anyone wants to see it

Why was it banned?

[Mon Dieu4]

Why was it banned?

The royal family got it banned due to some of the content about Phils shenanigans with other ladies and the other content in it

http://yournewswire.com/banned-in-the-uk-princess-diana-documentary-unlawful-killing-must-see/

[steakbake]

The royal family got it banned due to some of the content about Phils shenanigans with other ladies and the other content in it

http://yournewswire.com/banned-in-the-uk-princess-diana-documentary-unlawful-killing-must-see/

The Burrell trial collapsed after a public interest injunction was slapped on it. It is a very disfunctional household.

We will never really get any information because the system is rigged to protect their interests.

[Rasta_Hibs]

Can you not see half the crazy conspiracy theories are put out there so get the reaction from the many on here! Disbelief and wont look any further. The likes of David Icke, Alex Jones use the same tactic mix half truths with fair storys presented in away that mocks the truth movement!

Dig deeper you will clearly see what the conspiracy is!

[stoneyburn hibs]

Can you not see half the crazy conspiracy theories are put out there so get the reaction from the many on here! Disbelief and wont look any further. The likes of David Icke, Alex Jones use the same tactic mix half truths with fair storys presented in away that mocks the truth movement!

Dig deeper you will clearly see what the conspiracy is!

Alex Jones ? Didn't think the One Show was like that.

[Rasta_Hibs]

Alex Jones ? Didn't think the One Show was like that.

When I watched that I was so disappointed with Alex Jones It was pure pantomime! Didn't talk about the real issues or agenda just mouthing off and ranting about Redcoats etc

After that everyone calls him a looney and the masses discredit him and the topics he talks about. Simple tactics

[God Petrie]

the "truth" movement - ludicrous

[Rasta_Hibs]

the "truth" movement - ludicrous

In what way? Surely seeking a more truthfull narrative to world events is a good thing, rather that being reliant on BBC and Sky News etc?

[Sylar]

In what way? Surely seeking a more truthfull narrative to world events is a good thing, rather that being reliant on BBC and Sky News etc?

Who defines your truth?

When the 9/11 truth movement tossed out rebuttles, scientific validation and expert opinion on how the major grievances of 9/11 could have occurred, it lost all credibility.

Questioning how and why is important but dismissing the expert answers because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived agenda is folly.

[Rasta_Hibs]

Who defines your truth?

When the 9/11 truth movement tossed out rebuttles, scientific validation and expert opinion on how the major grievances of 9/11 could have occurred, it lost all credibility.

Questioning how and why is important but dismissing the expert answers because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived agenda is folly.

Well to be clear I think two planes did take down the towers. It could have come down with or without added explosives.

I think the bombers from Saudi Arabia were assisted with their training In flying a boeing plane. I think some within the US government had prior knowledge of the attacks that were to come that day. This is why there was training drills for the US airforce on that day - training for the attack that took place.

As a matter of fact there have been training drills on all big terrorist attacks on the same day as the attacks took place, including 9/11, 7/7 and the boston bombings and more - The chances of that happening the odds are so large its insane.

[Beefster]

Well to be clear I think two planes did take down the towers. It could have come down with or without added explosives.

I think the bombers from Saudi Arabia were assisted with their training In flying a boeing plane. I think some within the US government had prior knowledge of the attacks that were to come that day. This is why there was training drills for the US airforce on that day - training for the attack that took place.

As a matter of fact there have been training drills on all big terrorist attacks on the same day as the attacks took place, including 9/11, 7/7 and the boston bombings and more - The chances of that happening the odds are so large its insane.

How often do training drills take place? I was always under the impression that the military and emergency services undertaken training drills and mock emergencies fairly regularly.

It's been fairly well documented that the US government knew that an attack was being planned but were lacking on specifics.

[Sergio sledge]

I think people are forgetting one of the most important conspiracy theories....Stevie Wonder is not blind (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/stevie-wonder-is-not-blind-the-evidence-1641795715)

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think people are forgetting one of the most important conspiracy theories....Stevie Wonder is not blind (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/stevie-wonder-is-not-blind-the-evidence-1641795715)

I cannae see that being true.

[easty]

I think people are forgetting one of the most important conspiracy theories....Stevie Wonder is not blind (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/stevie-wonder-is-not-blind-the-evidence-1641795715)

I've just got off the phone to him. He just called to say thats not true. :greengrin

[Beefster]

Given how fast Stevie Wonder drives along my road, I'm not surprised that he's not blind. I'm tempted to report him for fraudulently claiming DLA and Motability.

[easty]

Given how fast Stevie Wonder drives along my road, I'm not surprised that he's not blind. I'm tempted to report him for fraudulently claiming DLA and Motability.

They should remove the eyes of people who pretend to be blind, they could do it in the same clinics that they sterilise junkies. Wrong thread? :wink:

[One Day Soon]

This thread is Breaking Mental

[johnbc70]

The royal family got it banned due to some of the content about Phils shenanigans with other ladies and the other content in it

http://yournewswire.com/banned-in-the-uk-princess-diana-documentary-unlawful-killing-must-see/

Finally got around to watching it. There was no way it was just an accident, too much happened before and after that was very suspicious for it to be no more than an accident.

Most people assume the inquest verdict was that it was an accident, it was the fault of the paparazzi etc. The jury delivered a verdict of 'unlawful killing' which means the evidence they saw meant there was deliberate acts that lead to her death.

Interesting about Prince Phillip and his Nazi background, never knew that.

[Mon Dieu4]

Finally got around to watching it. There was no way it was just an accident, too much happened before and after that was very suspicious for it to be no more than an accident.

Most people assume the inquest verdict was that it was an accident, it was the fault of the paparazzi etc. The jury delivered a verdict of 'unlawful killing' which means the evidence they saw meant there was deliberate acts that lead to her death.

Interesting about Prince Phillip and his Nazi background, never knew that.

Yeah there were a fair few things that I had never realised about it all before, enjoyable if not disturbing watch

[Betty Boop]

The Bin Laden Conspiracy BBC2 now.

[Cropley10]

The Bin Laden Conspiracy BBC2 now.

Interesting theory. Luckily the guy from the CIA was able to confirm that the conspiracy theory wasn't true. Bit of a pointless show…

[Cropley10]

I wouldn't bother watching any 9/11 conspiracy documentaries, cos they're all a load of absolute rubbish.

I don't see any reason why you, or anyone, would think there shouldn't have been an insurance policy on the building. It had been attacked by terrorists previously, so surely not having insurance would be a stranger thing than taking out a policy that covered terrorist attacks.

Except he insured both for catastrophe (total loss) and against terrorism. Unusual and expensive...

The reason people watch so-called conspiracy theory videos is they don't necessarily believe everything they're told by news media or the TV. Simple, really…

I always tend to think and look for the people who benefit most. Partly because I'm a big fan of the movie The Big Lewbowski.

[easty]

Except he insured both for catastrophe (total loss) and against terrorism. Unusual and expensive...

The reason people watch so-called conspiracy theory videos is they don't necessarily believe everything they're told by news media or the TV. Simple, really…

I always tend to think and look for the people who benefit most. Partly because I'm a big fan of the movie The Big Lewbowski.

Only against catastrophe? Or was that one of the many many things the insurance covered? My travel insurance covers me against kidnapping. Doesn't mean I think I'm going to be kidnapped!

The Big Lebowski is my favourite film by a mile.

[Future17]

Only against catastrophe? Or was that one of the many many things the insurance covered? My travel insurance covers me against kidnapping. Doesn't mean I think I'm going to be kidnapped!

The Big Lebowski is my favourite film by a mile.

That's risk-free for your insurers - 24 hours with you and any kidnappers would pay to send you back. :wink:

[easty]

That's risk-free for your insurers - 24 hours with you and any kidnappers would pay to send you back. :wink:

:tee hee:

[Beefster]

I always tend to think and look for the people who benefit most. Partly because I'm a big fan of the movie The Big Lewbowski.

You base part of your outlook on life on a movie?

[Hibbyradge]

You base part of your outlook on life on a movie?

I'm a big fan of One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest.

[Cropley10]

You base part of your outlook on life on a movie?

I look at things from the basis of who benefits most from a situation.

This happens to be a line from a movie.

But I certainly don't just accept the narrative or explanation of events from TV or print media as being the truth, or true.

That would be naive, as after all, the public wants what the public gets.



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[CropleyWasGod]

I look at things from the basis of who benefits most from a situation.

This happens to be a line from a movie.

But I certainly don't just accept the narrative or explanation of events from TV or print media as being the truth, or true.

That would be naive, as after all, the public wants what the public gets.



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So now you're backing up your argument by quoting Weller? 😉

[Future17]

You base part of your outlook on life on a movie?

What's wrong with that? I've never been the same since hearing "King of the Swingers" from the Jungle Book.

[Cropley10]

So now you're backing up your argument by quoting Weller? [emoji6]

We get what we're given, nothing else.

News media is highly controlled by powerful people.

If you think it isn't then crack on.!


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[CropleyWasGod]

We get what we're given, nothing else.

News media is highly controlled by powerful people.

If you think it isn't then crack on.!


Sent from a phone

It was a joke, following on the Lebowski comment :wink:

[Haymaker]

What's wrong with that? I've never been the same since hearing "King of the Swingers" from the Jungle Book.

:faf:

[Hibrandenburg]

You base part of your outlook on life on a movie?

Why not, others base their whole life on a book?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Why not, others base their whole life on a book?

That's an awfy good response.

[Mikey09]

Why not, others base their whole life on a book?


:faf::faf::faf::faf:...:not worth:not worth:not worth:not worth...:top marks

[MrRobot]

Why not, others base their whole life on a book?



:aok::top marks

[Colr]

Why not, others base their whole life on a book?

and sometimes their total misreading of it.

[HibsMax]

People who believe everything the media feeds them are just as bad as those who listen to conspiracy theories. I think the truth lies somewhere in-between.

[Cropley10]

People who believe everything the media feeds them are just as bad as those who listen to conspiracy theories. I think the truth lies somewhere in-between.

Very well put. You need to keep an open mind- but some people will just to refuse to even entertain a conspiracy theory because its contrary to the MSM line.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Listen to what is said at 12:15. Dubbed, or true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTcHq5Tzk

[Sylar]

Listen to what is said at 12:15. Dubbed, or true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTcHq5Tzk

That the person said it, true - the content of what she said, false. There was a LOT of misinformation going around when it initially happened as early reports suggested a 'light aircraft' or helicopter.

Chinese whispers can often take a hold in situations like this when hysteria is high and that's what I suspect is the case there.

They were 100% both passenger planes.

[steakbake]

That the person said it, true - the content of what she said, false. There was a LOT of misinformation going around when it initially happened as early reports suggested a 'light aircraft' or helicopter.

Chinese whispers can often take a hold in situations like this when hysteria is high and that's what I suspect is the case there.

They were 100% both passenger planes.

Wonder what happened to the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? Apparently evaporated in the heat. Like many of the people and evidence from the WTC... except, of course, the pilot's passport which was found in one piece.

I wouldn't describe myself as a conspiracy theorist, but there's a lot about 9-11 that doesn't add up. Like how a number of the "hijackers" named, were still alive, had no involvement. A very strange moment in history and more to come out.

[Beefster]

Wonder what happened to the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? Apparently evaporated in the heat. Like many of the people and evidence from the WTC... except, of course, the pilot's passport which was found in one piece.

I wouldn't describe myself as a conspiracy theorist, but there's a lot about 9-11 that doesn't add up. Like how a number of the "hijackers" named, were still alive, had no involvement. A very strange moment in history and more to come out.

There are plenty of photos of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

[Onceinawhile]

There are plenty of photos of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

Yeh, but if you look at them from an angle where you can't see any wreckage then there isn't any. Which means there was no plane.

Conspiracy theorists will happily see the one thing that gives them a chink of light and ignore the other 500 pieces of evidence that don't support their theory.

Then they'll shout about it. Constantly.

[Steve-O]

I watched a documentary the other day about the Pentagon hit - the plane was going 850kmp/h and hit reinforced concrete. It's not that difficult to believe it blew up into a million pieces really.

What is slightly puzzling about that one is the lack of CCTV. You would think the Pentagon of all places would have cameras everywhere?

[alnewhaven]

Not sure a 757 can reach 850 mph? Just realised figure was km ph

[snooky]

I came across another long-running 'conspiracy' last night. The one about Paul McCartney being killed in a car crash in 1966 and his place was taken by Billy Pepper of the band 'Billy Pepper & the Pepperpots'.
Some interesting stuff on YouTube about this but obviously it's all a load of keech.

[Colr]

Wonder what happened to the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? Apparently evaporated in the heat. Like many of the people and evidence from the WTC... except, of course, the pilot's passport which was found in one piece.

I wouldn't describe myself as a conspiracy theorist, but there's a lot about 9-11 that doesn't add up. Like how a number of the "hijackers" named, were still alive, had no involvement. A very strange moment in history and more to come out.

Planes are made of aluminium.

Put some aluminium at the tip of a Bunsen burner flame and see what happens

[johnbc70]

There was a short YouTube clip I saw by David Icke (yes I know) but it showed how a subway station next to the World Trade Centre site had eyes placed all around the station, there was like a tile mosicac of eyes put in the station.

Theory being it is the all seeing eyes of the illuminati and it was a symbol saying look what we did.

Have to admit find it all a bit strange as to why these eyes have appeared in a subway station next to world trade centre site.

[CapitalGreen]

There was a short YouTube clip I saw by David Icke (yes I know) but it showed how a subway station next to the World Trade Centre site had eyes placed all around the station, there was like a tile mosicac of eyes put in the station.

Theory being it is the all seeing eyes of the illuminati and it was a symbol saying look what we did.

Have to admit find it all a bit strange as to why these eyes have appeared in a subway station next to world trade centre site.

😂😂😂

The Oculos mosaics were installed in 1998, 3 years before 9/11 even happened. It also wasn't the first use of eyes in a public art piece by the artists, see Brooklyn Academy of Music.

[johnbc70]

😂😂😂

The Oculos mosaics were installed in 1998, 3 years before 9/11 even happened. It also wasn't the first use of eyes in a public art piece by the artists, see Brooklyn Academy of Music.

Maybe it was all planned and they knee what they were going to do.....(can't do smileys on phone!)

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I watched a documentary the other day about the Pentagon hit - the plane was going 850kmp/h and hit reinforced concrete. It's not that difficult to believe it blew up into a million pieces really.

What is slightly puzzling about that one is the lack of CCTV. You would think the Pentagon of all places would have cameras everywhere?

Ive neber found the pentagon one strange. This is the HQ of the us military, i dont fpr a minute believe that a) it doesnt have some pretty spectacular defensive measures in place that they are not keen to shout about, amd b) they dont wany to release lots of pictures showing how those defences can ne exposed.

Of course they are secretive, it would be daft not to be.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

There was a short YouTube clip I saw by David Icke (yes I know) but it showed how a subway station next to the World Trade Centre site had eyes placed all around the station, there was like a tile mosicac of eyes put in the station.

Theory being it is the all seeing eyes of the illuminati and it was a symbol saying look what we did.

Have to admit find it all a bit strange as to why these eyes have appeared in a subway station next to world trade centre site.

Ha ha, they would be the worst secret society in history if did that!

Or maybe that is what they want us to think...

[Ryan69]

A Boeing can do a lot more than 500mph at 700ft, where did you get that piece of information?

The higher you go...the thinner the air is.

its not possible for any aircraft to go that speed at the altitude.

[Hibbyradge]

The higher you go...the thinner the air is.

its not possible for any aircraft to go that speed at the altitude.

Yes it is, particularly if all you want to do is crash it.

[Mr White]

Yes it is, particularly if all you want to do is crash it.

Ryan you do NOT want to get into a discussion about what a jumbo jet can or can't do with this guy

Particularly if there's a conveyor belt involved :tee hee:

[Hibbyradge]

Ryan you do NOT want to get into a discussion about what a jumbo jet can or can't do with this guy

Particularly if there's a conveyor belt involved :tee hee:

:faf: :thumbsup:

Brilliant! :top marks

[Hibrandenburg]

Ryan you do NOT want to get into a discussion about what a jumbo jet can or can't do with this guy

Particularly if there's a conveyor belt involved :tee hee:
:Greengrin