Should Scotland Vote For Independence What Will No Voters DO?

[Lewis77]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?

[johnbc70]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?

I will do nothing. Just accept that the country has made that decision and then watch with interest in how it all pans out and take an interest in what will impact me and my family. I will not become a sudden supporter of Independence and likewise will not push me more the other way and make me want to leave the country etc (which some people say but surely cannot be serious)

[lucky]

Anna's Sawar said tonight if Scotland votes Yes Scottish Labour will work with everyone to try and make it work. He also challenged the SNP to make devolution work if it's a No vote

[(((Fergus)))]

I will start agitating for an independent Argyll, free from dole-scrounging weegies and the withering teat of North Sea oil.

[oregonhibby]

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?


Hardly a statement to encourage free debate. In a free democratic country people are free to come and go based on their conviction.

If people vote yes they can do what they want and therefore in a democracy so can those who vote no.

[Speedy]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?

Probably much the same as a no outcome; get on with their daily lives with no significant changes.

[yeezus.]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?

If Scotland votes Yes (which I sincerely doubt) I will retain my membership of the Scottish Labour Party. Interesting to see if the SNP would split.

[Glory Lurker]

If Scotland votes Yes (which I sincerely doubt) I will retain my membership of the Scottish Labour Party. Interesting to see if the SNP would split.

Confused alert, sorry, but as "Scottish" Labour Party doesn't exist as a separate party are you saying you would retain your membership of a rUK party (no problem if so, just checking)? SNP can scatter to the four winds as far I'm concerned.

[NOLA]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?
i'm voting no and if the vote comes in yes, nothing changes for me, life goes on eh

[Beefster]

If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This is magic.

I'm guessing some research on treason wouldn't go amiss though.

[Hibrandenburg]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?Mk2

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?

Are you on the wind up on behalf of the BT campaign?

[oregonhibby]

Treason can be defined as - the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or to kill its sovereign - a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state - the betrayal of a trust of confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

I don't think flitting comes in to any of those categories.

I imagine as well the average IQ in both countries may increase as a result of people leaving to go down sarf!

Of course as I suspect apathy will result and only a few may go!

[yeezus.]

Confused alert, sorry, but as "Scottish" Labour Party doesn't exist as a separate party are you saying you would retain your membership of a rUK party (no problem if so, just checking)? SNP can scatter to the four winds as far I'm concerned.

It doesn't take a lot to get you confused then. I imagine if Scotland separates a "Scottish Labour" party would exist...?

[allmodcons]

It doesn't take a lot to get you confused then. I imagine if Scotland separates a "Scottish Labour" party would exist...?

He's right though. How can you 'retain' membership in an organisation that doesn't, at the present time, exist?

[oregonhibby]

It doesn't matter really if it is treason to move house being a member of a non aligned political party will result in transportation no doubt!

[yeezus.]

He's right though. How can you 'retain' membership in an organisation that doesn't, at the present time, exist?

What's this a Philosophy class? I repeat, if Scotland votes Yes then Scottish Labour would appear on my membership card.

[heretoday]

If it's Yes I'll put up with it and feel glad for my son and his friends who are vehemently pro-Yes.

After all, Mr Salmond isn't a bad man is he?

[stoneyburn hibs]

If it's Yes I'll put up with it and feel glad for my son and his friends who are vehemently pro-Yes.

After all, Mr Salmond isn't a bad man is he?

Good or bad, nobody is voting for Salmond.

[marinello59]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?

Eh? Why would they need to do that? They will continue to be Scots living in Scotland.

[sauzee_4]

Eh? Why would they need to do that? They will continue to be Scots living in Scotland.


Yeah think this is a silly question to be fair.

No voters will continue to live here and get right behind making it work, which I have no doubt it will, marvellously:wink:

[PeeJay]

Eh? Why would they need to do that? They will continue to be Scots living in Scotland.

Well that's not quite correct is it? - many British (as in Welsh, Irish and English) people live in Scotland, many EU citizens live in Scotland and many Commonwealth citizens live in Scotland - or will they no longer count, when Scotland becomes independent? It's not just the "Scots" who are voting!

[PeeJay]

Yeah think this is a silly question to be fair.

No voters will continue to live here and get right behind making it work, which I have no doubt it will, marvellously:wink:

Most will have no other option of course, but to grin and bear it, those that have an option could very well jump ship and head south... I certainly would, if I hadn't already.

One has to wonder at the outcry that would have ensued had the BT proponents brought "treason" into the campaign - or maybe it already has (I'm too far away to follow everything)??? Still, it seems to me, if you're voting yes anything goes ... treasonous behaviour ... don't quite see how this fits in with the concept of the "model nation" Lewis assumes is on its way ... ​

[marinello59]

Well that's not quite correct is it? - many British (as in Welsh, Irish and English) people live in Scotland, many EU citizens live in Scotland and many Commonwealth citizens live in Scotland - or will they no longer count, when Scotland becomes independent? It's not just the "Scots" who are voting!

A it of a lazy answer from me but please don't twist it round to have me saying something I neither meant nor implied. It's the OP who seems to think that a yes Vote means some would have to question their sense of identity, I think that is ridiculous no matter what that may be.

[Hibrandenburg]

Well that's not quite correct is it? - many British (as in Welsh, Irish and English) people live in Scotland, many EU citizens live in Scotland and many Commonwealth citizens live in Scotland - or will they no longer count, when Scotland becomes independent? It's not just the "Scots" who are voting!

The other British citizens who vote should definitely tick the yes box. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to get abroad come to them.

:wink:

[Gus]

I will do nothing. Just accept that the country has made that decision and then watch with interest in how it all pans out and take an interest in what will impact me and my family. I will not become a sudden supporter of Independence and likewise will not push me more the other way and make me want to leave the country etc (which some people say but surely cannot be serious)

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[PeeJay]

A it of a lazy answer from me but please don't twist it round to have me saying something I neither meant nor implied. It's the OP who seems to think that a yes Vote means some would have to question their sense of identity, I think that is ridiculous no matter what that may be.

Well yeah, fair enough, but it is important that people say exactly what they mean in this debate as it can be easily misconstrued - I didn't feel that I intentionally "twisted" anything, I took you at your word, bit pedantic of me I guess ... it's been a long day ...

[PeeJay]

The other British citizens who vote should definitely tick the yes box. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to get abroad come to them.

:wink:

:greengrin I have an inkling I on my own here, but I've always felt myself to be British first and foremost (OK, Scottish when it comes to football, etc.) but when I went to London to live and work I didn't feel I was "abroad" - I was in my capital city ... mind you it was full of foreigners! The only time I ever felt uncomfortable was when the Scottish hordes came to town for the Wembley day out, the Scottish accent I had dropped so I could converse with the "locals" was hastily revived thus saving my bacon on the odd occasion ... that's probably all changed now though...

[sauzee_4]

Most will have no other option of course, but to grin and bear it, those that have an option could very well jump ship and head south... I certainly would, if I hadn't already.

One has to wonder at the outcry that would have ensued had the BT proponents brought "treason" into the campaign - or maybe it already has (I'm too far away to follow everything)??? Still, it seems to me, if you're voting yes anything goes ... treasonous behaviour ... don't quite see how this fits in with the concept of the "model nation" Lewis assumes is on its way ... ​

You make it sound horrendous :greengrin

why would you leave?

[Hibrandenburg]

:greengrin I have an inkling I on my own here, but I've always felt myself to be British first and foremost (OK, Scottish when it comes to football, etc.) but when I went to London to live and work I didn't feel I was "abroad" - I was in my capital city ... mind you it was full of foreigners! The only time I ever felt uncomfortable was when the Scottish hordes came to town for the Wembley day out, the Scottish accent I had dropped so I could converse with the "locals" was hastily revived thus saving my bacon on the odd occasion ... that's probably all changed now though...

That's exactly the opposite from what I experienced. I've pretty much travelled the globe due to my work but never have I felt more a foreigner than in London. The passive racism I experienced was only ever there when I opened my mouth and people became aware that I was Scottish.

It was like a light suddenly went on behind their eyes and suddenly I was being assessed to see if I posed a danger to them which is strange because up until then I'd been just another bloke, one of them.

[yeezus.]

That's exactly the opposite from what I experienced. I've pretty much travelled the globe due to my work but never have I felt more a foreigner than in London. The passive racism I experienced was only ever there when I opened my mouth and people became aware that I was Scottish.

It was like a light suddenly went on behind their eyes and suddenly I was being assessed to see if I posed a danger to them which is strange because up until then I'd been just another bloke, one of them.

When I was down in Rochdale for their promotion party, the Scottish notes I handed across were laughingly referred to as "monopoly money" by just about every shop worker.

As for the accent, most folk thought I was Northern Irish so didn't receive the same amount of "racism".

[Onceinawhile]

My mother in law (amongst others) has said she will leave the country in the event of a yes vote.

so please everyone. VOTE YES!

Her reasoning being that taxes will increase. I'm not convinced it as the case, but who knows.

[sauzee_4]

My mother in law (amongst others) has said she will leave the country in the event of a yes vote.

so please everyone. VOTE YES!

Her reasoning being that taxes will increase. I'm not convinced it as the case, but who knows.

All depends who gets in, if a party advocating tax increases gets voted in then taxes will increase.

SNP haven't said they would increase taxes though.

[Hibrandenburg]

My mother in law (amongst others) has said she will leave the country in the event of a yes vote.

so please everyone. VOTE YES!

Her reasoning being that taxes will increase. I'm not convinced it as the case, but who knows.

:greengrin

[danhibees1875]

My mother in law (amongst others) has said she will leave the country in the event of a yes vote.

so please everyone. VOTE YES!

Her reasoning being that taxes will increase. I'm not convinced it as the case, but who knows.

It seems to be a common theme that no voters believe that a yes vote would see every benefit taken away and taxes etc increasing.

[Beefster]

That's exactly the opposite from what I experienced. I've pretty much travelled the globe due to my work but never have I felt more a foreigner than in London. The passive racism I experienced was only ever there when I opened my mouth and people became aware that I was Scottish.

It was like a light suddenly went on behind their eyes and suddenly I was being assessed to see if I posed a danger to them which is strange because up until then I'd been just another bloke, one of them.

My wife is English. Despite being 5ft 1 and a size 6, she's taken dog's abuse in Edinburgh for her accent (from very brave Scottish men) on numerous occasions over the last 10 years. Funnily enough, never when I'm with her.

Let's not pretend that there aren't twats everywhere or that we are universally tolerant in comparison to the English/Londoners.

[marinello59]

My wife is English. Despite being 5ft 1 and a size 6, she's taken dog's abuse in Edinburgh for her accent (from very brave Scottish men) on numerous occasions over the last 10 years. Funnily enough, never when I'm with her.

Let's not pretend that there aren't twats everywhere or that we are universally tolerant in comparison to the English/Londoners.

:agree:
My Dad is still an English ******* to some apparently despite having lived the majority of his 80 years in Scotland.
I find the complacency towards UKIP just as worrying. Ten per cent of Scots voted for them because they found their policies appealing. Saying they won't make headway here because we are vastly different in outlook from the rest of the UK is a dangerous myth. They have made inroads already.

[Hibrandenburg]

My wife is English. Despite being 5ft 1 and a size 6, she's taken dog's abuse in Edinburgh for her accent (from very brave Scottiush men) on numerous occasions over the last 10 years. Funnily enough, never when I'm with her.

Let's not pretend that there aren't twats everywhere or that we are universally tolerant in comparison to the English/Londoners.

Beefster, we've been over this before so before we go down the "I hate the English *******s" road again, please let me make a couple of things clear:

1. The post you quote is a reply to someone's post subjectively stating why he feels more British than Scottish.

2. My post is a subjective view as to why I feel more Scottish than British based on my personal experience whilst living (3 years) near London.

3. I'm aware we have more than our fair share of numpties and no one deserves to be shown prejudice because of their dialect, but that's the whole point of my post.

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree:
My Dad is still an English ******* to some apparently despite having lived the majority of his 80 years in Scotland.
I find the complacency towards UKIP just as worrying. Ten per cent of Scots voted for them because they found their policies appealing. Saying they won't make headway here because we are vastly different in outlook from the rest of the UK is a dangerous myth. They have made inroads already.

Please read post above.

[JeMeSouviens]

My wife is English. Despite being 5ft 1 and a size 6, she's taken dog's abuse in Edinburgh for her accent (from very brave Scottish men) on numerous occasions over the last 10 years. Funnily enough, never when I'm with her.

Let's not pretend that there aren't twats everywhere or that we are universally tolerant in comparison to the English/Londoners.

Maybe living in a country taking responsibility for its own affairs will encourage such ********s to grow up?


(Ok, not holding my breath.)

[Beefster]

Maybe living in a country taking responsibility for its own affairs will encourage such ********s to grow up?


(Ok, not holding my breath.)

But probably not.

[Just Alf]

But probably not.

Aye probably not... :-(

My cousin spent 15 years in Durham through latter half of secondary school and her 1st job, she still has a bit of an English lilt to her accent and has been hassled a few times....

Pr**ks!


Prob wrong thread, but she's a "yes" and the family down by, really wish the North East could get something similar (even the devolution we have at the mo)

[Hibrandenburg]

Aye probably not... :-(

My cousin spent 15 years in Durham through latter half of secondary school and her 1st job, she still has a bit of an English lilt to her accent and has been hassled a few times....

Pr**ks!


Prob wrong thread, but she's a "yes" and the family down by, really wish the North East could get something similar (even the devolution we have at the mo)

When the Tories get in at the next UK general election we can annex them.

[One Day Soon]

What will the no voters do in an Independent Scotland. We Know what the yes voters will do if the vote goes the other way, pretty much what they are doing now as nothing will change, but what will the no voters do?

Will they get behind the country? If not, is that not the very definition of treasonous behavior in an Independent democratic country?

This could be seen as me being provocative but seriously, what will they do? Will they have to re-evaluate themselves in terms of who they are and where they come from? How will they see themselves? Will they get behind and support the nation?

Facepalm is I think the term I'm searching for here. Yes, definitely facepalm.

[One Day Soon]

He's right though. How can you 'retain' membership in an organisation that doesn't, at the present time, exist?

What, you mean like retaining post-independence Scottish membership in the EU via our current UK membership?

Irony that is.

[Speedy]

He's right though. How can you 'retain' membership in an organisation that doesn't, at the present time, exist?

Ask Ally McCoist :greengrin

[Speedy]

Has anyone noticed a bit of an economic divide between yes voters and no voters?

Just an observation but I've noticed people in higher paying jobs tend to support no, while lower paid tend to support yes.

[yeezus.]

Has anyone noticed a bit of an economic divide between yes voters and no voters?

Just an observation but I've noticed people in higher paying jobs tend to support no, while lower paid tend to support yes.

Not in Stranraer I haven't. When Sturgeon moved the local task force's meeting out of the town most people stopped listening to her and rightly so.

[southfieldhibby]

Has anyone noticed a bit of an economic divide between yes voters and no voters?

Just an observation but I've noticed people in higher paying jobs tend to support no, while lower paid tend to support yes.

Of Course.If Yes can get the schemes out to vote in September there is a far better chance of them winning.

I know of several small /medium sized businesses in Edinburgh whose owners have already bought property in North England incase Yes wins.

[Beefster]

Has anyone noticed a bit of an economic divide between yes voters and no voters?


No idea but I've instructed my butler and driver to vote no, just in case.

[JeMeSouviens]

Has anyone noticed a bit of an economic divide between yes voters and no voters?

Just an observation but I've noticed people in higher paying jobs tend to support no, while lower paid tend to support yes.

Yes, that's clearly supported in the breakdown of all the polls.

[Speedy]

Yes, that's clearly supported in the breakdown of all the polls.

Cheers. Didn't know that.

[Onceinawhile]

It seems to be a common theme that no voters believe that a yes vote would see every benefit taken away and taxes etc increasing.

Don't understand it personally. Unfortunately us scots are born with a negative streak and a chip on the shoulder, which makes a positive decision almost impossible.

I'd imagine if the question was reversed e.g. ahould scotland remain in the UK., the predisposition of people to answer no yo any question would see independence sail through!

[Beefster]

Unfortunately us scots are born with a negative streak and a chip on the shoulder, which makes a positive decision almost impossible.

To be blunt, that's guff. If we vote no, we'll hear lots of stories from angry nationalists about how weak the Scots are, how we're sheep, how we're cowards, how we are negative, how we have a chip on our shoulder etc etc etc.

It'll all be rubbish.

[oregonhibby]

Yes we are well balanced with a chip on both shoulders!

[stoneyburn hibs]

To be blunt, that's guff. If we vote no, we'll hear lots of stories from angry nationalists about how weak the Scots are, how we're sheep, how we're cowards, how we are negative, how we have a chip on our shoulder etc etc etc.

It'll all be rubbish.

To be blunt, that's guff.