the squad out on the town last night

[SunshineOnLeith]

You are claiming the contrary by asking for evidence. Here is evidence for you: drink driving law. Alcohol has been proven to cause deaths by someone getting twacked by a car driven by someone inebriated. They have lesser ability to drive in this condition hence the law. How are our players able to train at their peak with alcohol in their system? People die of liver disease and drink related illnesses every year so saying that players won't be at the peak of their fitness is true. Lastly, we have been woeful all season and from what I hear this is a long lasting issue at Hibs. Long lasting rumours of binge drinking at Hibs and we've got long lasting failure. Not the only cause for failure but is one of them. Culture is all wrong.

I don't see anyone saying it's fine to rock up to training or a match stinking of booze.

[madhatter]

I don't see anyone saying it's fine to rock up to training or a match stinking of booze.

They may not be stinking of booze but can someone tell me why professional football players are shattered after 40mins play? liam Craig, Nelson and McGivern some of the worse and are clearly breathless and unable to keep up with players that I wouldn't say are pacey.

[Baldy Foghorn]

We won't be relegated and nothing is funny on Only An Excuse.

That's all I can really reply on this. The middle part had me looking for a 'not quite sure what's happened here' smiley but I don't think one exists yet.

What are you basing this revelation on? 1 win in 19, can't buy a goal, and playing against a side who have the momentum of winning?

[oldbutdim]

He actually said that the board allowed JC to go

Ah.

A bit different from sacking him then.
:aok:

[Albanian Hibs]

Dont expect anything less from they losers.

[Gus Fring]

You are claiming the contrary by asking for evidence. Here is evidence for you: drink driving law. Alcohol has been proven to cause deaths by someone getting twacked by a car driven by someone inebriated. They have lesser ability to drive in this condition hence the law. How are our players able to train at their peak with alcohol in their system? People die of liver disease and drink related illnesses every year so saying that players won't be at the peak of their fitness is true. Lastly, we have been woeful all season and from what I hear this is a long lasting issue at Hibs. Long lasting rumours of binge drinking at Hibs and we've got long lasting failure. Not the only cause for failure but is one of them. Culture is all wrong.

I'm not 'claiming' anything. If there's evidence backing it up that drinking 10 days beforehand will increase our chances of losing the playoff I'm sure people would want to see it.

The players aren't training today so if they were drinking last night then by the time they get back to training on Monday there's every chance their blood alcohol level will be zero depending on how much was consumed.

The human body breaks alcohol down at an average of one unit per hour (Faster for young and physically fit people but we'll take the average). So if they were drinking until 3am then they'd have to consume 29 units to still be over the drink drive limit come Monday morning, which is equivelant to around 10 pints of lager. At that point I'm more concerned players are drink driving than I am about them playing football a week on Wednesday.

[easty]

What are you basing this revelation on? 1 win in 19, can't buy a goal, and playing against a side who have the momentum of winning?

I get you Baldy, but I'm just more of a glass-is-half-full type. A positive attitude can't do any harm, can it?

[Gus Fring]

I get you Baldy, but I'm just more of a glass-is-half-full type. A positive attitude can't do any harm, can it?

As long as your glass isn't half full of vodka otherwise you'll get a thread all of your own!

[carnoustiehibee]

1. It's disrespectful to hibs fans
2. If you want to block out the misery of the realisation your ****ing murder at football then go round to another players house and get hammered there.

What I find strange is fans getting photos taken with them instead of giving them a jab in the puss

[hfc-1875]

Believe it or no, football players have a life off the pitch. Aye we're in shyt but greeting about the players having a night out is a joke. Just trying to give the players it tight for any reason possible.

[Broken Gnome]

There's as many reasons to let players recuperate by going out than making them wallow in misery. Might make us feel better, but don't think wanting fits of depression and self-loathing are very helpful to anyone.

Taking it too far and appearing pished and carefree is another thing mind you.

[Borderhibbie76]

I hope they all lose a fortune cancelling their arranged hols...useless, gutless, feckless wage thieves. Sadly we have to hope this lot win a play off and keep us up...dearie me :(

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[delbert]

Dont expect anything less from they losers.

I'm actually delighted to hear that our players are drunk because it explains a lot. Up till now I had been under the impression that they were simply talentless, clueless, hopeless, spineless bottle merchants who didn't deserve to wear our shirt but I'm happy now the mystery has been solved.

[Albion Hibs]

Are these photographs etc definitely from last night? If they actually are then I am lost for words, I can understand players going out after a run of mill defeat, and I would not be bothered if we were 2nd in the league, but on the night of a game where it was decided we were in a relegation play off is absolutely galling. This shows me these boys could not give a flying one about the club they play for, and the fans that support that club. Get these two games dealt with, if they are not on a contract get shot of them, if they are stick them in the reserves and have them in all day polishing the toilet floors at east mains.

[emerald green]

Believe it or no, football players have a life off the pitch. Aye we're in shyt but greeting about the players having a night out is a joke. Just trying to give the players it tight for any reason possible.

Have you read this thread at all? It's not as simplistic as "greeting about the players having a night out", or giving it tight to the players. There's much more to this issue than that I'm afraid. Much more.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I get you Baldy, but I'm just more of a glass-is-half-full type. A positive attitude can't do any harm, can it?

No Easty, wish I shared your positivity......

[TheFamous1875]

I just want to say to the posters reminding us that "footballers have a life out of football too". They do, of course, and no one should begrudge them doing anything that is not detrimental to their careers or their club. However, when your club has had a pathetic season, it should've been relegated and you've alienated one half of the city, you shouldn't (nor should you want to, which is telling) be out on the town downing bottles of champagne. If you want to wind down, do it in private. Do NOT besmirch the name of Hibernian Football Club further.

These charlatans are EXACTLY what is wrong with our club, our national culture and our national game. By all means go out, have a few drinks and try and cop of with a sycophantic eighteen year-old, but do NOT do it on a day where your club has just been shamed and been knocked into the playoffs when it should have rightly been relegated. You have nothing to celebrate in front of the watching eyes of the Edinburgh public. You're embarrassing every supporter of Hibernian Football club, and you are embarrassing yourself.


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[hibbybrian]

I don't see anyone saying it's fine to rock up to training or a match stinking of booze.

The late great Willie Hamilton used to dodge training and turn up to matches, reportedly directly by taxi from the Tollcross Bar, 10 minutes before kick-off :wink:

The difference is that Willie Hamilton had almost endless football talent and the imposters we have now aren't fit to lace Willie's boots stone cold sober :greengrin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Z0Qa7sjDg

[TheFamous1875]

The late great Willie Hamilton used to dodge training and turn up to matches, reportedly directly by taxi from the Tollcross Bar, 10 minutes before kick-off :wink:

The difference is that Willie Hamilton had almost endless football talent and the imposters we have now aren't fit to lace Willie's boots stone cold sober :greengrin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Z0Qa7sjDg

Another difference is that Hibs' opponents in this era are by and large more athletic than Willie Hamilton's ever were. Talent only gets you so far. Willie Hamilton is a prime example of that.


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[SunshineOnLeith]

Have you read this thread at all? It's not as simplistic as "greeting about the players having a night out", or giving it tight to the players. There's much more to this issue than that I'm afraid. Much more.

Here's your first post in this thread:


If I had ever been good enough to have had the honour to play for Hibs, after yesterday's result (and all the other results for weeks on end) I would have been in the house hiding my embarrassment and not daring to show my face, let alone going boozing up town. :grr:

Sounds like greeting about players having a night out to me.

[emerald green]

I just want to say to the posters reminding us that "footballers have a life out of football too". They do, of course, and no one should begrudge them doing anything that is not detrimental to their careers or their club. However, when your club has had a pathetic season, it should've been relegated and you've alienated one half of the city, you shouldn't (nor should you want to, which is telling) be out on the town downing bottles of champagne. If you want to wind down, do it in private. Do NOT besmirch the name of Hibernian Football Club further.

These charlatans are EXACTLY what is wrong with our club, our national culture and our national game. By all means go out, have a few drinks and try and cop of with a sycophantic eighteen year-old, but do NOT do it on a day where your club has just been shamed and been knocked into the playoffs when it should have rightly been relegated. You have nothing to celebrate in front of the watching eyes of the Edinburgh public. You're embarrassing every supporter of Hibernian Football club, and you are embarrassing yourself.


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A number of posters, including myself, have basically been trying to get this message through to some other posters on this thread, but to no avail it seems. I despair for our club at times mate. It's really shocking the mess the club is in, and those responsible should hang their heads in shame. That includes the big-time Charlies up George Street on Saturday nights who can't do it where it matters. On the pitch.

[The Falcon]

Yes. If my employee isn't performing to the standards that I set, due to health problems that are caused by their own behavior, then I am well within my right to sack them.

If my employee is out on the lash every weekend, then turning up to work and not performing to the standards in which I know they are capable of, I can fire them. I'd even kick their ass in any lawsuit that they may wish to file against me.

Good luck with that.

How many people do you employ?

[GreenLake]

TB and MM might think these lot will get back into training better after a bender induced amnesia. I have no idea what he should do with this lot. Actually, I do, but unlike Butcher, I would have waited till the season was over before telling them.

[SunshineOnLeith]

I just want to say to the posters reminding us that "footballers have a life out of football too". They do, of course, and no one should begrudge them doing anything that is not detrimental to their careers or their club. However, when your club has had a pathetic season, it should've been relegated and you've alienated one half of the city, you shouldn't (nor should you want to, which is telling) be out on the town downing bottles of champagne. If you want to wind down, do it in private. Do NOT besmirch the name of Hibernian Football Club further.

These charlatans are EXACTLY what is wrong with our club, our national culture and our national game. By all means go out, have a few drinks and try and cop of with a sycophantic eighteen year-old, but do NOT do it on a day where your club has just been shamed and been knocked into the playoffs when it should have rightly been relegated. You have nothing to celebrate in front of the watching eyes of the Edinburgh public. You're embarrassing every supporter of Hibernian Football club, and you are embarrassing yourself.


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I'm not embarrassed.

What you meant to say is "You're embarrassing me". Quite why Ryan McGivern or James Collins should take your feelings into account before having a night out is beyond me.

[Magnifique]

TB and MM might think these lot will get back into training better after a bender induced amnesia. I have no idea what he should do with this lot. Actually, I do, but unlike Butcher, I would have waited till the season was over before telling them.


Agree Butcher dropped a bollock there

[HarpyHibby]

Photo on Instagram of Cummings signing a girls tits if anyone wants to go into meltdown about that while we're at it. :greengrin

[TheFamous1875]

I'm not embarrassed.

What you meant to say is "You're embarrassing me". Quite why Ryan McGivern or James Collins should take your feelings into account before having a night out is beyond me.

Because I, like you and thousands of others pay for every drink in their ****ing hand. Alas, I should've said "you're embarrassing the majority of Hibs' fans and, in my singular opinion, the reputation of Hibernian Football Club as an entity". I am quite confident the majority would agree with me.


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[emerald green]

Here's your first post in this thread:



Sounds like greeting about players having a night out to me.

I am not greeting about players having "a night out" per se. Players can do what the f*** they like as far as I'm concerned, so long as they are not embarrassing my club (which they have done IMHO) and disrespecting its long suffering supporters. I am referring to being up George Street last night in particular after yesterdays result. If you read some of my other posts you will note that I said I did not expect young guys to live like monks. You have picked the post which best suits your own agenda, which frankly I don't understand. Would it have been too much to expect them to give the bevvy a rest just for one Saturday night?

[Brightside]

I'm not embarrassed.

What you meant to say is "You're embarrassing me". Quite why Ryan McGivern or James Collins should take your feelings into account before having a night out is beyond me.

i pay for the drink they are guzzling. Does that help?

[Unseen work]

People comparing mcgivern and Collins to guys like Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Andy Murray, nadal etc is laughable. These guys have unreal ability and play at the biggest stages so obviously there diets and life's will be different, do you think Ronaldo would be able to go out in Edinburgh?? No as he wouldn't be able to enjoy his night or move. Is there any difference between having a party at your house that no one knows about and getting drunk than going out? Or a family dinner that they end up getting drunk at?

As said mcgivern and Collins try 100% every game and are both in good shape, they have just been poor this season as have the majority of the team.

Going by this board everyone is a angel that is amazing at their job and never go out and socialise with there friends. If they have a slight off day they go home don't speak to anyone, have a healthy dinner and glass of water before going to bed at a reasonable time. Get a grip It could of been there best mates birthday or any reason you don't know of. It doesn't matter though they don't need a reason to go and enjoy a night out, if there's no training for a couple of days and no game for 12 and the manager says it's ok what's the problem.

There are players for numerous teams, especially aberdeen that go out regularly, such as Ryan jack, cammy smith, josh magennis, Haynes, Rooney etc and they finished 3rd.

If it was before a game, and they both had stinking attitudes and were clearly unfit I would be saying to get rid. But last night doesn't bother me in the slightest. 2 young guys go out with there mates

[matty_f]

Regardless of the impact on their performance, it's a brass neck going out and getting rat-ersed in full sight of the folk that stump up the cash to watch the players let them down. A bit of humility and respect would go a long way to building some of the bridges between the players and the support.

Very poor choice to go out on the lash, IMHO.

[silverhibee]

Regardless of the impact on their performance, it's a brass neck going out and getting rat-ersed in full sight of the folk that stump up the cash to watch the players let them down. A bit of humility and respect would go a long way to building some of the bridges between the players and the support.

Very poor choice to go out on the lash, IMHO.

They could have headed through to Glasgow or somewhere else for a drink.

[Saorsa]

Regardless of the impact on their performance, it's a brass neck going out and getting rat-ersed in full sight of the folk that stump up the cash to watch the players let them down. A bit of humility and respect would go a long way to building some of the bridges between the players and the support.

Very poor choice to go out on the lash, IMHO.Correct :agree:

[Haymaker]

They could have headed through to Glasgow or somewhere else for a drink.


Never understood why players don't go down the road to Newcastle, hardly anyone to recognise them and therefore no backlash from fans.

[Hibercelona]

Good luck with that.

How many people do you employ?

I wouldn't need luck. Would you keep an employee who's work rate is damaged through the use of any other drugs that don't come with a doctors note?

No you wouldn't. So why on earth would alcohol be any acception?

If they're taking drugs that they don't need to be taking and it's affecting their performance at work. Then thats very much a sackable offence.

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time arguing this point when I know that i'm entirely correct.

[Hibercelona]

They could have headed through to Glasgow or somewhere else for a drink.

I don't see how doing it in secret changes anything. It's still going to have the same long term impact on their career whether the fans know about it or not.

[Unseen work]

Tomorrow I might start a thread with little to no evidence so we can have another thread bashing the players

[Newcastlehibby]

Never understood why players don't go down the road to Newcastle, hardly anyone to recognise them and therefore no backlash from fans.

Don't be so sure!:cb

[Since90+2]

I wouldn't need luck. Would you keep an employee who's work rate is damaged through the use of any other drugs that don't come with a doctors note?

No you wouldn't. So why on earth would alcohol be any acception?

If they're taking drugs that they don't need to be taking and it's affecting their performance at work. Then thats very much a sackable offence.

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time arguing this point when I know that i'm entirely correct.

Jesus.

[Islington Hibs]

Their behaviour is typical of what is wrong with this club.

I don't expect professional sportsmen to go on the lash at all and especially after such consistently poor performance and not o display in the centre of the town. They are ambassadors for the club and not for the first time they are not behaving like ambassadors.

I remember after that cup final interviews with some of their and our players. I am sorry to say Hearts had their people dressed smartly and speaking intelligently (relatively) and with an air of authority. Our guys were a truculent school children in comparison. I don't think this isolated. There is an unprofessionalism that has run throughout our club for far too long and it transcends Butcher.

We have underperformed for years and if we want to address it we need an attention to detail, self discipline and professionalism that is simply not there. I hope Butcher reads the riot act to them on Monday.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I wouldn't need luck. Would you keep an employee who's work rate is damaged through the use of any other drugs that don't come with a doctors note?

No you wouldn't. So why on earth would alcohol be any acception?

If they're taking drugs that they don't need to be taking and it's affecting their performance at work. Then thats very much a sackable offence.

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time arguing this point when I know that i'm entirely correct.

Doesn't an employer have a responsibility for their employees, they can't simply punt them can they?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Tomorrow I might start a thread with little to no evidence so we can have another thread bashing the players

What topic are you thinking?

[Saorsa]

Tomorrow I might start a thread with little to no evidence so we can have another thread bashing the playersYou could start a thread about how good they really are....



























.....there's little or nae evidence for that. :wink:

[Unseen work]

What topic are you thinking?

Think it will be something along the lines of the whole team drunk drove up to aberdeen stole their trophy, a sheep on the venga bus

[Dalianwanda]

So I listened to the game and obviously gutted at the result. Really couldn't be bothered going out and felt a bit guilty at not flying over. Anyone who enters there profession of being a professional footballer should know it's not 'just a job'. You can't compare to a day at the office, factory or whatever..it's unique in terms of the effect it has on people's lives. To be able to go out and 'let your hair down' just smacks of someone who just doesn't get it, or their own ego has got in the way. Really disappointed in the guys who went out on the beer.

[Hibee Ryan]

I'll be honest I've not got a problem with them drinking, as they are allowed to do it and so can if they choose to.

But the fact they're doing it hours after losing 1-0 to Killie, who Hearts beat 5-0 the week before, and consigned us to a relegation play-off is bang out of order. If they win then aye fair enough, go out and celebrate.

DO NOT go out celebrating after a defeat. It just shows a lack of respect to the club, the supporters and themselves. Jesus if you really need a drink after a loss then just have a couple at your house, invite the team round and get hammered in private. But don't go to a club in front of your supporters after losing the biggest game of the season and look like you don't care.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Think it will be something along the lines of the whole team drunk drove up to aberdeen stole their trophy, a sheep on the venga bus

I'm not convinced that'll get the same response. :greengrin

[21.05.2016]

They are a pitiful lot, very few of them really give a ***** tbh. Proffesionals? aye ****ing right.

[21.05.2016]

I'll be honest I've not got a problem with them drinking, as they are allowed to do it and so can if they choose to.

But the fact they're doing it hours after losing 1-0 to Killie, who Hearts beat 5-0 the week before, and consigned us to a relegation play-off is bang out of order. If they win then aye fair enough, go out and celebrate.

DO NOT go out celebrating after a defeat. It just shows a lack of respect to the club, the supporters and themselves. Jesus if you really need a drink after a loss then just have a couple at your house, invite the team round and get hammered in private. But don't go to a club in front of your supporters after losing the biggest game of the season and look like you don't care.

:top marks

Embarasses the club and the fans when the players are seen partying, getting pished up town after a defeat that has seen us nearly relegated.

[The Falcon]

I wouldn't need luck. Would you keep an employee who's work rate is damaged through the use of any other drugs that don't come with a doctors note?

No you wouldn't. So why on earth would alcohol be any acception?

If they're taking drugs that they don't need to be taking and it's affecting their performance at work. Then thats very much a sackable offence.

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time arguing this point when I know that i'm entirely correct.

Would you sack someone who smokes?

[Beefster]

I wouldn't need luck. Would you keep an employee who's work rate is damaged through the use of any other drugs that don't come with a doctors note?

No you wouldn't. So why on earth would alcohol be any acception?

If they're taking drugs that they don't need to be taking and it's affecting their performance at work. Then thats very much a sackable offence.

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time arguing this point when I know that i'm entirely correct.

We've gone from having a drink to health problems to drugs. If you keep moving the goalposts to make your point correct, it generally means that your point was mince in the first place.

You're right in one sense. Being off your tits on coke and going into work is gross misconduct and would probably allow the employer to sack them on the spot.

It's not really relevant to the scenario under discussion though, is it? You've got heehaw evidence that any player's performance is being affected by his alcohol consumption (a generic "alcohol is bad for an athlete" isn't good enough) and the players in question are not breaking any club rules as far as we know. In any case, in all but the most serious of cases, there is a procedure for sacking someone (unless you don't mind getting done at a tribunal) and it's not quite as simple as saying "off you pop". So, you're entirely wrong.

I'm not arguing they should be out drinking btw (I don't actually give two hoots).

[WestStandMoaner]

Doesn't an employer have a responsibility for their employees, they can't simply punt them can they?

If only we could punt them now. I think Butcher should have taken the players away after the result yesterday, we have two games to survive in the league and make no mistake these two games are bigger than the cup finals, therefore get the players out of dodge and get them to a training camp, create a siege mentality an keep Butcher away from the media

[Baader]

Too many making excuses for the players. They're taking the p***.

Have a look at the drinking culture Alex Ferguson encountered when he set foot in Old Trafford... responded by getting rid of the worst culprits who he admits were two of their best players at the time. Set an example.

I've no problem with players going out for a drink so long as they do their business on the park. But after almost relegating us yesterday? Get ****ing real!!

[scoopyboy]

I wouldn't need luck. Would you keep an employee who's work rate is damaged through the use of any other drugs that don't come with a doctors note?

No you wouldn't. So why on earth would alcohol be any acception?

If they're taking drugs that they don't need to be taking and it's affecting their performance at work. Then thats very much a sackable offence.

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time arguing this point when I know that i'm entirely correct.

I have actually been involved in instances in work of these issues and it is way more complicated than you think.

How do you prove their work rate is damaged?

You would have to measure their work rate on a good day and then on a bad day. Aye right, excuse me boss go and measure my work rate today cos I'm buzzin and then you can use it against me when I'm no havin a good day.

If an employee has issues you have to try and help them and go through proper channels.

I'm afraid you will never be in a position to sack anyone with your attitude.

[JCHibby]

This sums up the club and problems very easily. So many fans and people happy to accept these two fuds getting recked. I would drop both immediately and release them, no loss, they offer nothing to the team.

John Collins tried to sort this thing out and that baw bag of a director made a James of it.

****ing shambles

[Peevemor]

This sums up the club and problems very easily. So many fans and people happy to accept these two fuds getting recked. I would drop both immediately and release them, no loss, they offer nothing to the team.

John Collins tried to sort this thing out and that baw bag of a director made a James of it.

****ing shambles

What director? RP backed Collins.

[Dalianwanda]

:top marks
Too many making excuses for the players. They're taking the p***.

Have a look at the drinking culture Alex Ferguson encountered when he set foot in Old Trafford... responded by getting rid of the worst culprits who he admits were two of their best players at the time. Set an example.

I've no problem with players going out for a drink so long as they do their business on the park. But after almost relegating us yesterday? Get ****ing real!!

[Dalianwanda]

I have actually been involved in instances in work of these issues and it is way more complicated than you think.

How do you prove their work rate is damaged?

You would have to measure their work rate on a good day and then on a bad day. Aye right, excuse me boss go and measure my work rate today cos I'm buzzin and then you can use it against me when I'm no havin a good day.

If an employee has issues you have to try and help them and go through proper channels.

I'm afraid you will never be in a position to sack anyone with your attitude.

Do you employ athletes? If not then your not comparing like with like

[scoopyboy]

Do you employ athletes? If not then your not comparing like with like

Does employment law differentiate between athletes and non-athletes?

[Coco Bryce]

What director? RP backed Collins.

Think you meant 'went behind his back'

[Peevemor]

Think you meant 'went behind his back'

No I didn't.

[The Falcon]

You're right in one sense. Being off your tits on coke and going into work is gross misconduct and would probably allow the employer to sack them on the spot.


Unless the coke habit is as a result of work related stress then you might can sue your employer :greengrin


Edit Do you think we could sue Hibs for my increasing dependence on alcohol?

[Northernhibee]

i pay for the drink they are guzzling. Does that help?

If you were there buying them drinks then maybe you should have had a word about how offended you were there and then, not on here! You've missed your chance!

[steviehibsleith]

[QUOTE=scoopyboy;4009172]Does employment law differentiate between athletes and non-athletes?[/QU

Football players sign a contract and one of the main points of this will state - If a player shall be guilty of misconduct or breach of disciplinary Rules of the Club may have this contract terminated.
In no way am I saying the players mentioned have done this but im just pointing out football players do sign this and it will be there.

[Scouse Hibee]

I have actually been involved in instances in work of these issues and it is way more complicated than you think.

How do you prove their work rate is damaged?

You would have to measure their work rate on a good day and then on a bad day. Aye right, excuse me boss go and measure my work rate today cos I'm buzzin and then you can use it against me when I'm no havin a good day.

If an employee has issues you have to try and help them and go through proper channels.

I'm afraid you will never be in a position to sack anyone with your attitude.


:top marksWas about to post something similar, the guy has no real idea of dealing with employees and performance related issues let alone considering outside influences, far more to it than he realises which tells me has no experience of it at all.

[J-C]

[QUOTE=scoopyboy;4009172]Does employment law differentiate between athletes and non-athletes?[/QU

Football players sign a contract and one of the main points of this will state - If a player shall be guilty of misconduct or breach of disciplinary Rules of the Club may have this contract terminated. In no way am I saying the players mentioned have done this but im just pointing out football players do sign this and it will be there.


I think bringing the the club's name into disrepute will be in their contract somewhere, I'm pretty sure I've seen players getting fines etc from clubs down south when they're out on the piss making an erse of themselves. TBH working in the cabs I get to know the regular Hibs bevvy merchants, out every saturday/sunday after the match in one of George st posers bar.

[Jonnyboy]

I wouldn't need luck. Would you keep an employee who's work rate is damaged through the use of any other drugs that don't come with a doctors note?

No you wouldn't. So why on earth would alcohol be any acception?

If they're taking drugs that they don't need to be taking and it's affecting their performance at work. Then thats very much a sackable offence.

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time arguing this point when I know that i'm entirely correct.

You should add this at the end of every post you make because in your world, everyone else is wrong

[Dalianwanda]

Does employment law differentiate between athletes and non-athletes?

No but theres a whole different realm of management, emotional intelligence and basic common sense......

[GreenLake]

Agree Butcher dropped a bollock there

TBH I thought it was good at the time but soon realized the players had the option of mutually assured destruction. I think they may have hinted a little too much about that and now find that all the missiles have been launched directly up in the air over ER and they are about to come back down along with one or two of Nelson's punts. Helmets on for the playoffs!:greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

If you were there buying them drinks then maybe you should have had a word about how offended you were there and then, not on here! You've missed your chance!

:hilarious

[Lucius Apuleius]

Wot duz acception meen?

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=scoopyboy;4009172]Does employment law differentiate between athletes and non-athletes?[/QU

Football players sign a contract and one of the main points of ,will state - If a player shall be guilty of misconduct or breach of disciplinary Rules of the Club may have this contract terminated.
In no way am I saying the players mentioned have done this but im just pointing out football players do sign this and it will be there.

Termination for misconduct or breach of a rule! If only it was that easy, it's not, football players have the same rights as everyone else regarding employment law.

[iwasthere1972]

I don't want to stir things but I heard from a reliable source that James Collins was sober and didn't have anything to drink. Every time he ordered a couple of shots they went over the bar.

Sober as a judge he was. :agree:

[Scouse Hibee]

I don't want to stir things but I heard from a reliable source that James Collins was sober and didn't have anything to drink. Everything he ordered a couple of shots they went over the bar.

Sober as a judge he was. :agree:


:agree: I heard the same, also helped by the fact that every drink passed to him by McGivern never actually reached him.

[silverhibee]

If you were there buying them drinks then maybe you should have had a word about how offended you were there and then, not on here! You've missed your chance!

Are you for real


:faf:

[hibbydog]

:agree: I heard the same, also helped by the fact that every drink passed to him by McGivern never actually reached him.

Aye and Williams dropped a couple of drinks too.

Oh Jesus.....

[scoopyboy]

[QUOTE=steviehibsleith;4009268]


I think bringing the the club's name into disrepute will be in their contract somewhere, I'm pretty sure I've seen players getting fines etc from clubs down south when they're out on the piss making an erse of themselves. TBH working in the cabs I get to know the regular Hibs bevvy merchants, out every saturday/sunday after the match in one of George st posers bar.

I'm sure they will sign a contract that states they will abide by the club rules, but I'm not sure having bevy after a game will be part of it.

Certainly within 48 hours of a game commencing is IIRC.

I'm not condoning their actions in any way and if I were a Hibs player I would have stayed in yesterday after the game.

[Kaiser1962]

I'm sure they will sign a contract that states they will abide by the club rules, but I'm not sure having bevy after a game will be part of it.

Certainly within 48 hours of a game commencing is IIRC.

I'm not condoning their actions in any way and if I were a Hibs player I would have stayed in yesterday after the game.

I would add that there will also a clause about bringing the club into disrepute by their actions, conduct that might reflect badly on their employer.

Other than the 90 mins on Saturday I am not sure a post match drink qualifies.

Ill thought out nonetheless.

[Kaiser1962]

Wot duz acception meen?

And I resisted posting that :greengrin

[legends of 73]

Good post. I played sport as well and when i was relegated I was nowhere near the town and there was next to no chance of me being recognised!

I was that bad yesterday I barely moved from the couch when I got back and it wasn't my career on the line.
I had to work after yesterday's match I can tell you that was hard to motivate myself to do that after watching that crap again

[J-C]

[QUOTE=scoopyboy;4009368]

I would add that there will also a clause about bringing the club into disrepute by their actions, conduct that might reflect badly on their employer.

Other than the 90 mins on Saturday I am not sure a post match drink qualifies.

Ill thought out nonetheless.

These quotes are all ****ed up as I never posted this, it was Scoops lol :greengrin

[Kaiser1962]

[QUOTE=Kaiser1962;4009379]

These quotes are all ****ed up as I never posted this, it was Scoops lol :greengrin

Even the interweb is ****ed. Petrie :grr:

[J-C]

I had to work after yesterday's match I can tell you that was hard to motivate myself to do that after watching that crap again


I was all set to go to the game but had a viewer for the house at 12pm, the wife was working so it was up to me to be here, even though I wasn't there I had a face like a slapped trout all night, truly pissed off I was.

[R11Loaded]

My reply to this thread is simple. Dynamo Dresden were relegated to the third tier of their league system, and held up a banner at full time that read

"You have 1 hour to get out of our city"

I only wish we could do that with these idiots. I'm 19, I've scored vs a Hibs youth team from 25 yards, I demand game time because at least if I get to walk out onto that pitch infront of the fans I'd do my best to prove to them I cared about this club. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/12/e3a2y4un.jpg

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[kaimendhibs]

I have only read half the thread but my take is this. The fans care more about the club than these bams. Total lack of respect to go drinking in public after that result, if they want a bevy, get carry out and do it at home!! To drink in public is a slap in the puss to us all, even the apologists


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[GreenCastle]

Read most of this thread.

Thoughts are simple - professional player should be better behaved and think better about how they behave especially after a defeat.

The players are often out in George Street and usually the same faces at the same crappy clubs such as Why Not etc.

My worry is that the antics are being repeated after our last manager tried to stop it plus the effect it has on future younger players.

This is not behaviour the club should be tolerating. We saw the Gary Deegan incident on George Street plus all the other stories over the years with players causing problems in town.

Culture at the club needs to change or we will continue to have players with no respect for the fans and others seeing our club as a laughing stock.

[Sir David Gray]

My reply to this thread is simple. Dynamo Dresden were relegated to the third tier of their league system, and held up a banner at full time that read

"You have 1 hour to get out of our city"

I only wish we could do that with these idiots. I'm 19, I've scored vs a Hibs youth team from 25 yards, I demand game time because at least if I get to walk out onto that pitch infront of the fans I'd do my best to prove to them I cared about this club. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/12/e3a2y4un.jpg

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:hilarious That's brilliant!

Wish we could make a similar banner at ER.

[The Pointer]

They also parked in some disabled bays and made unsavoury jokes about the austrian eurovision 'entry'.

Im raging :grr:

What Georgio Samaras? A bearded man in a dress? Hmmm....

[The Pointer]

I made the mistake once of referring to footballers as 'professional sportsmen' but what I should have said was 'professional footballers' because there's a difference. I've seen rugby teams beaten on a Saturday go into training on a Sunday to rectify matters and reminded exactly where they've gone wrong. Footballers have a different attitude and think they're special.

I don't have a deal with anyone going out for a drink on a Saturday night when they've been beaten, but when you've been as gash as most of this lot have been this season (I keep harking back to the Malmo game), you'd think they wouldn't want to put their faces round the door of a club. The guys who get to the top have a different attitude and ours patently don't have that.

The fanny can wait until they start winning something.

[Delboy4]

I'll be honest I've not got a problem with them drinking, as they are allowed to do it and so can if they choose to.

But the fact they're doing it hours after losing 1-0 to Killie, who Hearts beat 5-0 the week before, and consigned us to a relegation play-off is bang out of order. If they win then aye fair enough, go out and celebrate.

DO NOT go out celebrating after a defeat. It just shows a lack of respect to the club, the supporters and themselves. Jesus if you really need a drink after a loss then just have a couple at your house, invite the team round and get hammered in private. But don't go to a club in front of your supporters after losing the biggest game of the season and look like you don't care.


This..!

From the back -
Williams
McGivern
Tiawo
Collins
Handling

were seen out last night!

Ive always said that if we have something to celebrate, no problem with the players out drinking BUT IM SORRY, after that performance yesterday which was like a cup final we had to win...you do not go out celebrating!!

and just for you fans (like me) that are trying to make excuses for players IF THEY WERE OUT...yes they were! As I've said, I'm not bothered if they go out BUT don't rip my eyes out after we had a massive game to make us safe for next year! I went home after the game and stayed in all night as I was totally pissed off with the result.

And before you you ask how I know they were all partying...my son was talking to a couple of the players as he knows them. Also Mr TB is not the best liked guy at East Mains.

Our club is in a total mess at the moment..!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I made the mistake once of referring to footballers as 'professional sportsmen' but what I should have said was 'professional footballers' because there's a difference. I've seen rugby teams beaten on a Saturday go into training on a Sunday to rectify matters and reminded exactly where they've gone wrong. Footballers have a different attitude and think they're special.

I don't have a deal with anyone going out for a drink on a Saturday night when they've been beaten, but when you've been as gash as most of this lot have been this season (I keep harking back to the Malmo game), you'd think they wouldn't want to put their faces round the door of a club. The guys who get to the top have a different attitude and ours patently don't have that.

The fanny can wait until they start winning something.

Of all the sports to choose in relation to professionalism/drinking Rugby is a strange one ;)

[ScottB]

With their income, they could easily nip off to Newcastle for a night out and nobody would even know, hell they'd probably be anonymous in Glasgow.

But then presumably they enjoy being the big fish in Edinburgh's small pond, though why they'd want to be recognised is beyond me. Collins looks to have got over the emotional turmoil sub story he was trotting out at the sponsors evening anyway.


Apart from anything else I'd ban the whole lot of them from drinking in season anyway.

[sven nil]

I was all set to go to the game but had a viewer for the house at 12pm, the wife was working so it was up to me to be here, even though I wasn't there I had a face like a slapped trout all night, truly pissed off I was.poor excuse !

[Sunny1875]

This..!

From the back -
Williams
McGivern
Tiawo
Collins
Handling

were seen out last night!

Ive always said that if we have something to celebrate, no problem with the players out drinking BUT IM SORRY, after that performance yesterday which was like a cup final we had to win...you do not go out celebrating!!

and just for you fans (like me) that are trying to make excuses for players IF THEY WERE OUT...yes they were! As I've said, I'm not bothered if they go out BUT don't rip my eyes out after we had a massive game to make us safe for next year! I went home after the game and stayed in all night as I was totally pissed off with the result.

And before you you ask how I know they were all partying...my son was talking to a couple of the players as he knows them. Also Mr TB is not the best liked guy at East Mains.

Our club is in a total mess at the moment..!

As far as I'm concerned TB is not there to be liked, he is there to guide the players in whatever way works, to get the best out of them, he has failed so far in this, but in his defence you can polish a turd but....
PF left as he had taken the squad as far as he could, little surprise that we have struggled all season with the unbalanced squad that was assembled. Judging a manager on one January window is harsh, Judging player's on 9 months of sub standard performing and then going out on the town, BEFORE the season is over, fair enough they are unprofessional prats. Judging those who have presided over the sorry slide our club has been on, the time has now come. No matter where we are after the next two games we need change, change at the top and change both on the park and off it by those who are playing for the club

[PeeJay]

"You have 1 hour to get out of our city"

I only wish we could do that with these idiots.
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The banner you are praising was rolled up again after only a few minutes because the majority of DD fans didn't want to be associated with a seriously misguided threat ... is this really the sort of idiocy that we want on show at Easter Road?????

[wearethehibs]

Ever since the players went behind Collins back to Petrie this sort of thing is just the norm at Hibs.

We're such an amateur team from top to bottom. Real pro's would be keeping their body clean to do a gym session or something similar on the Sunday.

As someone else has said they'll all have plenty of time for a beavy next season when they have hopefully ****ed off and picked up by the likes of East Fife.

[Kaiser1962]

Ever since the players went behind Collins back to Petrie this sort of thing is just the norm at Hibs.


Seriously? Again? :rolleyes:

[wearethehibs]

Seriously? Again? :rolleyes:

Yup

[calumhibee1]

I made the mistake once of referring to footballers as 'professional sportsmen' but what I should have said was 'professional footballers' because there's a difference. I've seen rugby teams beaten on a Saturday go into training on a Sunday to rectify matters and reminded exactly where they've gone wrong. Footballers have a different attitude and think they're special.

I don't have a deal with anyone going out for a drink on a Saturday night when they've been beaten, but when you've been as gash as most of this lot have been this season (I keep harking back to the Malmo game), you'd think they wouldn't want to put their faces round the door of a club. The guys who get to the top have a different attitude and ours patently don't have that.

The fanny can wait until they start winning something.

The first paragraph I couldn't agree more with. I always compare footballers to the NBA players. They play around 100 games a year of what is probably a more physically demanding sport along with all the training they do and you can see it paying off when you've got a 6'10, 17 stone of muscle man covering 100m in 10 seconds. Our players look like they're running through quick sand.

[Kaiser1962]

Yup

Are you saying that RP didn't support Collins?

[blackpoolhibs]

Ever since the players went behind Collins back to Petrie this sort of thing is just the norm at Hibs.

We're such an amateur team from top to bottom. Real pro's would be keeping their body clean to do a gym session or something similar on the Sunday.

As someone else has said they'll all have plenty of time for a beavy next season when they have hopefully ****ed off and picked up by the likes of East Fife.

Only Lewis Stevenson is still at the club from that team, was he up town at the weekend, and does he not do the gym?

I personally blame Tom Hart for bringing George Best to the club and undermining Turnbull, thats when this all started in my opinion?

[TornadoHibby]

Only Lewis Stevenson is still at the club from that team, was he up town at the weekend, and does he not do the gym?

I personally blame Tom Hart for bringing George Best to the club and undermining Turnbull, thats when this all started in my opinion?

I'd put money on Lewis not being out and very possibly working out in a gym! :agree:

One of the most dedicated, fittest and determined players we have in the squad and yet he didn't even get onto the pitch on Saturday when our left side defence was the area that Killie identified as the best area for them to attack once it became clear that McGivern was going to press forward and Craig wasn't going to cover for him! :rolleyes:

[Hiber-nation]

Is anyone actually surprised by this? It's ridiculous to think that young fotballers should be locking themselves up after every defeat on a Saturday but it appears some of them take it too far. They'll hopefully be away in the summer. Time to move on.

[chrisski33]

This..!

From the back -
Williams
McGivern
Tiawo
Collins
Handling

were seen out last night!

Ive always said that if we have something to celebrate, no problem with the players out drinking BUT IM SORRY, after that performance yesterday which was like a cup final we had to win...you do not go out celebrating!!

and just for you fans (like me) that are trying to make excuses for players IF THEY WERE OUT...yes they were! As I've said, I'm not bothered if they go out BUT don't rip my eyes out after we had a massive game to make us safe for next year! I went home after the game and stayed in all night as I was totally pissed off with the result.

And before you you ask how I know they were all partying...my son was talking to a couple of the players as he knows them. Also Mr TB is not the best liked guy at East Mains.

Our club is in a total mess at the moment..!

So tb isnt liked at em? Shud that stop proffessional footballers doing their job? No. As someone has said he isnt there to be liked. I bet alot of folk dont like their boss in their job. Hear this "players dont like the manager" before and just an excuse tbh.

[Lucius Apuleius]

You have to disassociate yourself from being a Hibs fan. These guys are playing for us as a job and don't think twice about going out for a drink after they have had a bad day, and I am quite sure that crap as they are, they know they have had a bad day. We might be hurting over it, they are not. I personally seek solace with other Hibs supporters at this sort of time and drink with them rather than thr usual blunosed bams that I would meet in any of the bars I do drink in. It is definitely a silly decision to go up town where they will meet angry Hibs supporters but I don't think it will be either a breach of contract or damaging to their game (even if that is possible) getting played ten days later.

[truehibernian]

Many Aberdeen players didn't like Fergie - the respect grew for him when they saw his methods becoming successful.

Delboy - hope your son told the players he knows that many of them aren't liked or respected at the moment, not just at East Mains !

[chrisski33]

You have to disassociate yourself from being a Hibs fan. These guys are playing for us as a job and don't think twice about going out for a drink after they have had a bad day, and I am quite sure that crap as they are, they know they have had a bad day. We might be hurting over it, they are not. I personally seek solace with other Hibs supporters at this sort of time and drink with them rather than thr usual blunosed bams that I would meet in any of the bars I do drink in. It is definitely a silly decision to go up town where they will meet angry Hibs supporters but I don't think it will be either a breach of contract or damaging to their game (even if that is possible) getting played ten days later.

Agree! Bet most folk go for a dribk after a bad day at work. But if i was a hibs player id avoid going into town

[greenpaper55]

A while ago i mentioned on another thread the fact that after the cup final defeat to Hearts the whole shebang retuned to ER and had a party ! this is from someone who was on the directors bus that day and were stunned to find that the party still went ahead after a defeat to THEM. To me this sums up where we are as a club as no one who runs Hibs should have contemplated doing something like that, they have not got a clue what it means to us.

[yeezus.]

The banner you are praising was rolled up again after only a few minutes because the majority of DD fans didn't want to be associated with a seriously misguided threat ... is this really the sort of idiocy that we want on show at Easter Road?????

:aok: Definitely not! Got to rally behind the team, as difficult as that may be.

[lapsedhibee]

I personally blame Tom Hart for bringing George Best to the club and undermining Turnbull, thats when this all started in my opinion?
:tsk tsk: Jock Stein used to speak of Willie Hamilton as the complete player. Stein started the rot.

[R11Loaded]

The banner you are praising was rolled up again after only a few minutes because the majority of DD fans didn't want to be associated with a seriously misguided threat ... is this really the sort of idiocy that we want on show at Easter Road?????

Nah I'd much rather my teams players were booed as they came onto the pitch, called every abusive name under the sun then a twelve year old who doesn't understand business shouted sack the board a few times.



On another note, remember when John Collins said he wanted his players to live like professional athletes? He'd probably end up in an early grave coaching McGivern and Handling.


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[J-C]

poor excuse !

What! selling my house is a poor excuse for not going to a football match, get a ****ing grip :confused:

[john18722]

I don't want to see Hibs players out drinking after a defeat like that. However, what I don't understand are all these fans, who are supposedly dejected after the defeat and raging at the players, are out drinking in town too. Those fans should know better. Tut tut.

[Franck Stanton]

It's astounding just how little they seem to care.

Totally agree with this comment. yes the players are only enjoying a social night out, but.....given the circumstances they have created with their crap displays this season, it is IMO , in bad taste. Save the public display of the drink culture until they have achieved SPFL safety. Ridiculous that we are even in the play-off spot, if I was a player I would be ashamed to show my face until we were out of this mess.

[silverhibee]

I'd put money on Lewis not being out and very possibly working out in a gym! :agree:

One of the most dedicated, fittest and determined players we have in the squad and yet he didn't even get onto the pitch on Saturday when our left side defence was the area that Killie identified as the best area for them to attack once it became clear that McGivern was going to press forward and Craig wasn't going to cover for him! :rolleyes:

I have a gut feeling that Lewis may be looking for a new club in the summer, i get the feeling he isn't in Butchers plans for next season.

But as i say it is just hunch, no sources before anyone asks. :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

I'd put money on Lewis not being out and very possibly working out in a gym! :agree:

One of the most dedicated, fittest and determined players we have in the squad and yet he didn't even get onto the pitch on Saturday when our left side defence was the area that Killie identified as the best area for them to attack once it became clear that McGivern was going to press forward and Craig wasn't going to cover for him! :rolleyes:


I have a gut feeling that Lewis may be looking for a new club in the summer, i get the feeling he isn't in Butchers plans for next season.

But as i say it is just hunch, no sources before anyone asks. :greengrin

We haven't been winning games with or without Lewis in the team.

If we stay in the top division we need to sign players that would make Lewis justifiably a squad playing reserve but if we drop down a division I think we may keep Lewis as it is more his level imo and his experience would be useful.

[Jonnyboy]

I have a gut feeling that Lewis may be looking for a new club in the summer, i get the feeling he isn't in Butchers plans for next season.

But as i say it is just hunch, no sources before anyone asks. :greengrin

TB told me he thinks very highly of Lewis and that the wee man was a model professional. Don't think he'll be going anywhere soon .......... Lewis, not TB :greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

TB told me he thinks very highly of Lewis and that the wee man was a model professional. Don't think he'll be going anywhere soon .......... Lewis, not TB :greengrin

Good to hear that, I like Stevenson's attitude on and off the pitch.

[J-C]

Good to hear that, I like Stevenson's attitude on and off the pitch.

Which makes you wonder why the **** he wasn't playing on saturday :confused:

[Coco Bryce]

Which makes you wonder why the **** he wasn't playing on saturday :confused:

Yeah it does. Baffling Butcher team selections in full effect.

[Del Boy]

Unlike the majority of his teammates Stevenson appears to have an excellent attitude and level of commitment, unfortunately though, like the majority of his teammates he's no very good at fitba.

[Jonnyboy]

Unlike the majority of his teammates Stevenson appears to have an excellent attitude and level of commitment, unfortunately though, like the majority of his teammates he's no very good at fitba.

Damned by faint praise

[3pm]

Would anyone feel any better if McGivern started a 'just back' thread after a night on the lash?! :flag:

[timewilltell]

Yawn..

[Jonnyboy]

Yawn..

:rolleyes:

[silverhibee]

TB told me he thinks very highly of Lewis and that the wee man was a model professional. Don't think he'll be going anywhere soon .......... Lewis, not TB :greengrin

A good versatile squad player J, but he wouldn't be in my starting 11 for next season, I can't argue with anything that TB says about Lewis because he is a model pro, but if we want to progress as a team then we need better in my opinion.

Hopefully you understand what i'm saying J as i don't want folk to think i'm having a go at Lewis.


I would have him before that waster McGivern in the play-off's though. :greengrin

[Jonnyboy]

A good versatile squad player J, but he wouldn't be in my starting 11 for next season, I can't argue with anything that TB says about Lewis because he is a model pro, but if we want to progress as a team then we need better in my opinion.

Hopefully you understand what i'm saying J as i don't want folk to think i'm having a go at Lewis.


I would have him before that waster McGivern in the play-off's though. :greengrin

Of course I understand P :greengrin

I am a vociferous defender of Lewis who gets little praise from a number on here but like you, I'd hope we can sign better in the future. Problem is we need a left back, a temporary right back, a left midfielder and a left centre midfielder just to replace one man :greengrin

I'd keep him for his versatility alone, even though he is a better player than many give him credit for

[Ronniekirk]

Of course I understand P :greengrin

I am a vociferous defender of Lewis who gets little praise from a number on here but like you, I'd hope we can sign better in the future. Problem is we need a left back, a temporary right back, a left midfielder and a left centre midfielder just to replace one man :greengrin

I'd keep him for his versatility alone, even though he is a better player than many give him credit for

What makes you think he would be happy with another years contract when he knows he will get dropped potentially even if he has a good game .At his stage in his career he needs to try and be playing week in week out for his own sake .
Having said that versatile players often find that is the case and I would have no problem with him still being here next season

[RC1875]

Every team do it, nothing big

[Unseen work]

I rate Stevenson very highly and think he would get another spl team, prob top 6 quite easily. Could see him going there being good and us realising what were missing and how good he is (some fans see it)

[silverhibee]

Of course I understand P :greengrin

I am a vociferous defender of Lewis who gets little praise from a number on here but like you, I'd hope we can sign better in the future. Problem is we need a left back, a temporary right back, a left midfielder and a left centre midfielder just to replace one man :greengrin

I'd keep him for his versatility alone, even though he is a better player than many give him credit for


Totally agree J.

He would be in my starting 11 for the play-off games that's for sure, take your pick between Craig & McGivern who he would replace, how these two are getting a game a head of Lewis is baffling to say the least.

[Jonnyboy]

What makes you think he would be happy with another years contract when he knows he will get dropped potentially even if he has a good game .At his stage in his career he needs to try and be playing week in week out for his own sake .
Having said that versatile players often find that is the case and I would have no problem with him still being here next season

Basically because he's a good pro and will accept his manager's decision. It's a shame there aren't more like him in the dressing room Ronnie :agree:

[silverhibee]

Yawn..

Manners please.

[ChicagoHibee]

The thing that makes me angry is the fact that these guys were probably drinking overpriced, watered down beer instead of Lagavulin 16. That is what pisses me off.

[WellingtonHibby]

Thats no' even Craft Beer!! :wink:

[J-C]

The thing that makes me angry is the fact that these guys were probably drinking overpriced, watered down beer instead of Lagavulin 16. That is what pisses me off.


I have a bottle of that in the house, still in it's box, used to be my dad's, worth a few bob.

Just checked, it's the 12 yr old one worth around £200

[Saorsa]

The thing that makes me angry is the fact that these guys were probably drinking overpriced, watered down beer instead of Lagavulin 16. That is what pisses me off.A poster with an appreciation of the good stuff, excellent choice :agree: :thumbsup:

[Paisley Hibby]

I rate Stevenson very highly and think he would get another spl team, prob top 6 quite easily. Could see him going there being good and us realising what were missing and how good he is (some fans see it)

And he'd be the latest in a long line of players like that. We never seem to learn.

[hibbybrian]

:tsk tsk: Jock Stein used to speak of Willie Hamilton as the complete player. Stein started the rot.

Walter Galbraith signed Willie Hamilton and later resigned - Galbraith was the cause of the rot starting :greengrin